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“Baezu’s my top town. If she's scum I'll eat Alchemist's hat.” (Something I never thought I’d hear in any game. Ever.) -RCEnigma in EICN
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Baezu Mafia Scum
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so my top 3 scum reads by POE are froce, NM and SKy
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“Baezu’s my top town. If she's scum I'll eat Alchemist's hat.” (Something I never thought I’d hear in any game. Ever.) -RCEnigma in EICN
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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Exilon Mafia Scum
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Baezu Mafia Scum
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On regards to your posts specifically or another players posts specifically or in general which posts I find scummy?ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
“Baezu’s my top town. If she's scum I'll eat Alchemist's hat.” (Something I never thought I’d hear in any game. Ever.) -RCEnigma in EICN
“Baezu tier: Baezu” (Oooo I get my own tier!!!) -Vorkuta
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Baezu you broke the thread loserAlso, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?-
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Gimm1ck Goon
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In post 356, Exilon wrote:
1. Asking for everyone about hypo is fine, insisting on it happening even though people have said no and not letting go is wasting time for town and it's an attempt at PR-fishing. This however I concede is likely to be NAI (non-alignment indicative).In post 347, Gimm1ck wrote:
Explain how floating around the suggestion of a hypo which a. Never happened, b. I wanted to ask everyone’s opinion of it instead of going ahead and hypoing, is PR-fishing.In post 341, Exilon wrote:I had this feeling you were pretending to fabricate some of your reasoning day 1, and making an effort to appear townie in most of your logic. I didn't want to say anything because I wanted to see if the feeling was going to hold up or not and how Moomn flipped.
Now you PR-fish instead of building a case which town!you I believe was wont to do, and you preempt an N_M lynch by using logic that is at best tenuous and at worst a flat-out lie, because your scum partner couldn't get it going.
By ‘preempting’ a NM lynch, all I want is pressure on them so I can formulate a read. Furthermore, if NM is my so-called ‘lynchbait’, why didn’t I lynch them yesterday? I could have easily shifted onto NM if I wanted an easy lynch.
2. He wasn't lynchbait yesterday (even though some tried), he is lynchbait today. Also, you could have shifted to NM, but why would you when Moomn was right there? Look, pointless arguments!
1. I don't have to at this point, I think it's pretty clear who's the scum partner that I'm reading, even if it's independent and on another wagon. And no they wouldn't, that's a null tell at best (see: N_M's playstyle).In post 348, Gimm1ck wrote:
Very scummy for these reasons;In post 342, Exilon wrote:I mean not only because your scum partner couldn't get it going but I'm pretty sure you both see him as a safe lynch D2.
1. You assume I’m scum and working with a scum partner; if a townsperson were to say this, instead of going all up in arms with claiming ‘he’s scum! He’s scum!’, a townsperson would give an example and read of who my partner actually is, rather than simply claiming ‘oh, he has a partner!’.
2. If I theoretically had a scum partner, we both see him as a safe lynch: no, because I have said and currently say I do not have a strong read on NM yet. I have a scumlean. I want pressure on them. Simple.
Would like to point out the growing bond between NM and Exilon as possible scum partners; he whipped out the classic chainsaw defense.
2. The point I made is redundant and hypothetical, obviously, so I don't even know why you as town would feel the need to address it. You as scum, however, I totally get.
2.5. Moreover, the response to the point has nothing to do with the point itself, it's strawmanning it. Instead of saying "actually, if I were scum I wouldn't see him as a safe lynch at all" or "if i were scum I would be going for someone else", which I feel would be very townie to do, you reject the hypothetical from the get go, and that I find to be a scumtell.
3. This is the exact narrative I'm accusing you of building. You clearly understand that most of us think N_M is town and you clearly understand that this is N_M's playstyle. You know he is not going to budge. Yet, you justify a vote by the quote below. In order to make the wagon and lynch appear more credible, you conjure up some extremely weak reasoning - I mentioned this briefly in the other post, let met expand on it:
by lynching I'm assuming you mean voting; moving along;In post 302, Gimm1ck wrote:
To clarify, he immediately lynched another personIn post 300, Gimm1ck wrote:What I will initially say isMAJOR foson NM for
1. Lurking yesterday
2. Being put on a lynch block w/other people
3. Immediately lynching another person without reasoningon that listwithout giving reasoning, something lazy scum would do over picking a few people to push, fabricate reasoning, and start counterwagon attempts on them
MAJOR FOS doesn't seem like what you mentioned more recently here, which is a lot milder.
It was in addition to this:
I don't know what game have you been playing but at 2 hours left on the clock (which I noted), which is when I hammered Moomn, N_M's wagon still had only 3 votes and the risk of we getting a no lynch was extremely high, so for you to say that I hammered when a wagon was building up is disingenous at best and outright misleading at worst, and it comes up here very conveniently in order to push for a N_M lynch that you don't find that scum apparently despite the "MAJOR FOS" on him.In post 314, Gimm1ck wrote:In post 312, Exilon wrote:I didn't know hypo was a thing until today. I don't think it's useful at this point. I think it's PR fishing atm.
Hard figuring out if that's null or scummy.
Say Gimm, asides from wanting to Hypo, who do you think is scummy and would like to pressure currently?
Will tackle these in two independent posts; my reads when I have more time, but I will shoutout a fact that I want a NM lynch to test one thing.
You claimed multiple times that you could ‘hammer Moomn whenever you needed to’ - you hammered when a NM wagon was being built up. It seems logical that if NM is scum, you are a very potential partner for hammering Moomn out of fear of NM being CWed.
The reason I point out multiple times is that a scum would want to lay out a trail of their thoughts as to not be questioned on your decision: you went ahaid and did that. TLDR; If NM is scum Exilon is major FOS.
About hypoing, I don’t see the problem if everyone says ‘if doc, docced x; if Jailkeeper, jailkept y; if cop, z is town’; to me it only gives us information in case of a town PR death, without outing PRs.
The worst part here is, you're FoS'ing people that you don't have as a strong scumread? It's the beginning of day 2 and you're already invoking flips as justification for a lynch?
You know what would help me, if you could post your actual reads as you said you would and we can go from there.
Regarding the whole ‘I want pressure on them’/FOS/whether it is a scumread or not, for me, just assume that when I want prsssure/have a FOS that it is synonymous with a current scumlean.
I sincerely alopigize, I assumed we were playing with plurality mechanisms instead of majority. The way I play on the site I frequent is by plurality, so for some reason I assumed the person with plurality (Moomn) would be lynched, and all it took was for one person on the Moomn wagon to shift to NM to be lynched. This is why I made the read of you being possible scum partners with NM, fearing the Moomn lynch. In retrospect, knowing what and why you hammered, that is now a town tell by hammering Moomn. With plurality mechanisms, anyone could have simply shifted towards NM.
Regarding your comment about targeting the hypothetical question instead of replying with ‘If I was scum, I would not do x, because y reasons’;
-Any scum or town player can easily make up anything at this stage. It relies on self playermeta and general reliability of the statements; metas change, and scumtells do so as well. I, therefore, do not see the point in making these statements.
-Yes, while most of the other Townspeople townread NM, as far as I can tell on the sole basis of ‘oh he’ll be good in endgame situations’, no. I want him to be good (or at least attempt to be good) now. At least pop off some reads or few; it literally is anti town to actively lurk to the extent NM currently is. This, at least to me, warrants pressure, and is scummy.-
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Gimm1ck Goon
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Disagree on two points, and find this post slightly scummy.In post 351, PvtUrist wrote:In regards to mass claiming/hypoing, I'm against doing so today. With both scum alive and atleast another 2 days to go, it'll hurt more than help town when it comes to hiding our PRs. I'd possible suggest mass claiming Day 3, though, depending on how today progresses.
My reads haven't changed much since yesterday except on N_M and Baezu. I'm not willing to lynch within the town group, and while I'm not sure on N_M's allignment, I do not believe him to be the best Day 2 lynch. My strongest scumread is still Wilky/Skygazer, and the second scum is between N_M/Baezu. The lynch should be between Skygazer/Baezu today.
{Exilon, Gimm1ck, Froce} town
{Not_Mafia} null/lynch-bait
{Baezu} light scumread/PoE
{Skygazer} scum/PoE
This Exilon!Gimm1ck interaction is TvT. I've townread their tone since Day 1 (page 1-3), and it hasn't changed since. I don't believe Exilon is wolfing, and Gimm1ck is genuine with his reactions. I'm not sure on how to solve their tunneling, over than suggest that town does not always come across as town.
Froce is town, and I won't bother to elaborate unless someone disagrees and wants his lynch today.
N_M isn't pinging scum. (Yes, contradicting reads ) he's null/troll and is better off being mech-cleared or saved for D3.
I townread Baezu on Day 1, but I retract that statement after rereading her ISO. Her posts have been bland, passive and unengaging, classic sign of scum feigning activity and flying under the radar.
I'll restate why Skygazer is scum in a bit.
Why do you assume Exilon is wolfing? To me, at least, he found something scummy and is going after it. How is that open wolfing? Logs please.
Same thing with Baezu. They have been active and posting reads. They are a townread of mine. Tell us where Baezu is passive/unengaging.-
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Gimm1ck Goon
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In post 383, Gimm1ck wrote:
Disagree on two points, and find this post slightly scummy.In post 351, PvtUrist wrote:In regards to mass claiming/hypoing, I'm against doing so today. With both scum alive and atleast another 2 days to go, it'll hurt more than help town when it comes to hiding our PRs. I'd possible suggest mass claiming Day 3, though, depending on how today progresses.
My reads haven't changed much since yesterday except on N_M and Baezu. I'm not willing to lynch within the town group, and while I'm not sure on N_M's allignment, I do not believe him to be the best Day 2 lynch. My strongest scumread is still Wilky/Skygazer, and the second scum is between N_M/Baezu. The lynch should be between Skygazer/Baezu today.
{Exilon, Gimm1ck, Froce} town
{Not_Mafia} null/lynch-bait
{Baezu} light scumread/PoE
{Skygazer} scum/PoE
This Exilon!Gimm1ck interaction is TvT. I've townread their tone since Day 1 (page 1-3), and it hasn't changed since. I don't believe Exilon is wolfing, and Gimm1ck is genuine with his reactions. I'm not sure on how to solve their tunneling, over than suggest that town does not always come across as town.
Froce is town, and I won't bother to elaborate unless someone disagrees and wants his lynch today.
N_M isn't pinging scum. (Yes, contradicting reads ) he's null/troll and is better off being mech-cleared or saved for D3.
I townread Baezu on Day 1, but I retract that statement after rereading her ISO. Her posts have been bland, passive and unengaging, classic sign of scum feigning activity and flying under the radar.
I'll restate why Skygazer is scum in a bit.
Why do you assume Exilon is wolfing? To me, at least, he found something scummy and is going after it. How is that open wolfing? Logs please.
Same thing with Baezu. They have been active and posting reads. They are a townread of mine. Tell us where Baezu is passive/unengaging.
Meant to elaborate on this;
I find the first statement slightly scummier than the second, because you assume actively pressuring a townread of yours is synonymous with open wolfing. This seems like a fair and square pocket to me.
Plus, why do you Townread me/Exilon? It’s as important to provide logs of Townreads and scumreads alike.-
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Froce Townie
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Holy crap I just realized I'm on L-1
Bazeu take your vote off me. You should also explain more as Exilon said because all you did is say such and such is towny/scummy for no reason. You put 3 people in your scum pool: me, and 2 other players who are voting me. You need to revise because your vote looks pretty bad.
As far as the people who aren't voting me: Pvt, Gimmick and Exilon, so I don't think I'm in danger of getting suddenly hammered thankfully. Still, I need one of the people on me to unvote if you don't have a hard read and are just soft-voting. I'm hoping N_M and Baezu would unvote.
I mean I have 3 votes on me, so I feel like I should respond to criticism? But there isn't any. None that I haven't covered.-
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Besides Baezu's vote nothing much else happened. I'm hoping at least for some responses from the people voting me and not just carry this to deadline.
To agree with Pvt, I'm definitely leaning towards Gimm and Ex being both town. In that case, perhaps the 4 of us (if nobody has anything to say about Pvt) should be a townblock and carry this day. Let's brainstorm and read the remaining 3.-
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Baezu Mafia Scum
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Sorry, froce, did not realize you were at L-1...that certainly wasn’t my intention
I’ve been kind of out of it today, a woman that I’d known most of my life got killed at that shooting today...
I want to keep playing since I need the distraction but I think my brain is only half screwed on atmShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
“Baezu’s my top town. If she's scum I'll eat Alchemist's hat.” (Something I never thought I’d hear in any game. Ever.) -RCEnigma in EICN
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PvtUrist Mafia Scum
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In post 383, Gimm1ck wrote: Disagree on two points, and find this post slightly scummy.
Why do you assume Exilon is wolfing? To me, at least, he found something scummy and is going after it. How is that open wolfing? Logs please.
^as in ExilonIn post 351, PvtUrist wrote:I don't believe Exilon is wolfingisn'twolfing.-
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In post 383, Gimm1ck wrote: Same thing with Baezu. They have been active and posting reads. They are a townread of mine. Tell us where Baezu is passive/unengaging.
#351 is accurate.In post 351, PvtUrist wrote: I townread Baezu on Day 1, but I retract that statement after rereading her ISO. Her posts have been bland, passive and unengaging, classic sign of scum feigning activity and flying under the radar.
Here's examples of Baezu's passive unengagements;In post 146, Baezu wrote:
Exilon is town, move onIn post 36, Voted wrote:I suspect you of being scum, Exilon. Do you know why?In post 147, Baezu wrote:
Why so vague?In post 54, Moomn wrote:Hello friends. Down with the other faction, i say!
Let me familiarize myself with the codes and i shall join this random voting stage
These posts all pings of scum feigning activity while not actually contributing to solving the gameIn post 148, Baezu wrote:In post 54, Moomn wrote:Hello friends. Down with the other faction, i say!
Let me familiarize myself with the codes and i shall join this random voting stage
Not helping townIn post 63, PvtUrist wrote:I claim loved mayor with 2 votes
This post was directed by my RVS vote. Again, not a genuine post that helps solve the game. Moreso, assuming Urist!Froce is TvT.
Another example.In post 152, Baezu wrote:I’m FoSing moomn, but waiting for his response-
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To clarify, the scumread on Baezu isn't by her activity, but moreso the motivations behind them. Yes, she's active and posts her reads, but that and politeness isn't completely town-indicative. If you look into her ISO, there's plenty of contradicting sayings of her reads. Here's her current readlist from what I can interpret so far;
{Urist} Town #373
{Gimm} Town/Mixed #370
{Exilon} Mixed #367
{N_M} Null/PoE #371
{Froce, Skygazer} Scum #369 #354 #376
From her list, only Froce and Yours Truly didn't receive contradicting reads. This is a bit too much fence-sitting for something I feel to be within town-range, and coupled with her passiveness & PoE, is why I believe her to be scum.-
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Scum are actually more likely to be consistent for appearances.
Baezu, I'm so sorry... I don't think I could begin to understand what you must be going through.hemloreplacement queue-
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@baezu: I am so sorry for your loss, I can't imagine what it is like :/
Just generally, if you had to point your strongest scumreads from what you posted, what stands out the most, and why?In post 380, Baezu wrote:On regards to your posts specifically or another players posts specifically or in general which posts I find scummy?Feels like I've been here before.-
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I absolutely agree with you- that’s how I tend to be D1, especially in the early stages. I have a few recent completed games that you can check out for comparison (the link to my wiki is in my signature)In post 389, PvtUrist wrote:In post 383, Gimm1ck wrote: Same thing with Baezu. They have been active and posting reads. They are a townread of mine. Tell us where Baezu is passive/unengaging.
#351 is accurate.In post 351, PvtUrist wrote: I townread Baezu on Day 1, but I retract that statement after rereading her ISO. Her posts have been bland, passive and unengaging, classic sign of scum feigning activity and flying under the radar.
Here's examples of Baezu's passive unengagements;In post 146, Baezu wrote:
Exilon is town, move onIn post 36, Voted wrote:I suspect you of being scum, Exilon. Do you know why?In post 147, Baezu wrote:
Why so vague?In post 54, Moomn wrote:Hello friends. Down with the other faction, i say!
Let me familiarize myself with the codes and i shall join this random voting stage
These posts all pings of scum feigning activity while not actually contributing to solving the gameIn post 148, Baezu wrote:In post 54, Moomn wrote:Hello friends. Down with the other faction, i say!
Let me familiarize myself with the codes and i shall join this random voting stage
Not helping townIn post 63, PvtUrist wrote:I claim loved mayor with 2 votes
This post was directed by my RVS vote. Again, not a genuine post that helps solve the game. Moreso, assuming Urist!Froce is TvT.
Another example.In post 152, Baezu wrote:I’m FoSing moomn, but waiting for his response
Now that the game has some content I can actually respond to things...anything in particular you’d like my opinion on?ShowStats have been transferred to the wiki http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=User:Baezu
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was waiting to say something because their goin through a rough time but baezus unvote seems lamist or somethin in line with thathemloreplacement queue-
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