large normal 219: COOL NEW ANIMALS (done!!)

[Performer]

Also lately MS players have been shit at day 1, and have shown absolutely no respect to how important it is

This is a very big blanket statement. TChill and others definitely don't treat day 1 with as much respect as say, you or me. Anyway I highly disagree with your statement...if anything, I'm one of those who treat d1 as crucial and probably the following days as less crucial

saudade seems town btw

Just how familiar are you with saud though??

[Performer]

I don't get how people are stating "x is town" already with what's been posted so far.

For instance it appears there's a lot of joke posting, along with "I'm a PR/specific PR" posts, which sounds like messing around a lot. First impression is that it's null, can't get a good enough read from that yet. Could be town gambiting or scum gambiting.

[Performer]

Well, that elevated quickly...

I'm hovering somewhere between "this is so over the top that its a joke" and "this is newb scum that doesn't know how to react under pressure."

Eh, either way, he is scum. Even if he's town roleblocker, he deserves to be lynched. I think he's just mafia roleblocker though

but....town rb and mafia rb are both normal roles
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can we get a vc? thanks schadd

I can agree with part of nero's 171, and I do like his response to bob's vote on him.

I do agree with saud that...some of these avatars are downright strange...
but I'm not getting the feeling that these are scum: sickof, saud, sky, nero, notanaxe, nomnom.

[Performer]

How confusing.

I was of this mindset about the bob vs nero talk on pg 9 , as well.

no one seems especially townie to me. Maybe Rui Rui.

I disagree on that point of rui being town.

[Performer]

If time comes and i need to pick between axe and sky im smashing sky

Still want nero more

saud do you have any scumreads other than those?? I'm not scumreading any of those folks.

Interesting.

I’m keeping my vote here.

Hi roster. I want to know who else you scumread .

but he's always a lurker as scum.

+1
In an open game modded by ofhrz, bujaber was scum there and he wasn't all that active either. Problem is, his nerfed status , the signature in his profile on this account, and the fact that he hasn't posted all that much, makes me less confident on the scumread on him .

[Performer]

why do you talk to me like you know I'm town

The only way of knowing for sure is via moderator , but with what's happened so far and at least 4 games of experience with town and scum you, I have some idea of reading you, at least I think so.
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eevee & bob - who is scum?
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VOTE: rui rui

[Performer]

Performer is your main outed? If so can I know who it is?

What are you even talking about?? This IS my only account. I don't have alts. If you're talking about hydras, that's something entirely different and we've only played a game where I was on this only acct. We've never played any other game together other than the game where you/enigma were scum.

Why are you scumreading me?

[Performer]

eevee can you answer my question on who you think is scum
thanks

[Performer]

why deadline scramble at all?

no one is going to do anything till close to the deadline.

I don't want a deadline scramble either...I'm sure a lot of us don't .

[Performer]

so after eevee took a stance on who he thinks is scum by voting roster, I have to admit after another ISO of roster, he bugs me . said 2 of my town block were scum and he's playing like rui rui - bare...as if it's intentional. If it weren't for him being so adamant that I'm town, then I would think he's scum . Currently have roster as null .

rui - why I voted you was because I don't think your reasoning for voting me was genuine, it looked fabricated. also you thought axe was scum and the rests of your ISO - with all that's happened, I get the feeling that you're awfully focused on me.

[Performer]

me was genuine

pedit: was NOT genuine

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Also I am getting the feeling that bob & eevee are town. The former because he it looks like genuine game solving & the latter because of his stance on roster, who voted him.

[Performer]

I said you were town? I can’t say I remember a single one of your posts.

[Performer]

Ugh these typos...
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Saud I don't get why Sky is scum. In a micro game we had last year, she did the same thing about telling us about her life issues that were causing problems for her in game iirc. We were both town there. So that is partly why I'm having trouble with seeing sky scum.
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Buj calling me scum - after the interactions, I think he's coming from a town mindset. And an ISO of him doesn't give me a scum agenda feeling. Buj what do you think of sky - I think she scumreads you and voted you?

[Performer]

lower post count but if he's sick and is actually town that'll probs change, i feel like he's going for a LHF vote with you esp when i have reason to believe ur town, and the gamestate indicates that scum are fine with the wagons because no strong counterwagons are forming which would indicate that scum are in the lurkers

also i really think he'd push me more for SRing him for lurking rather than just waving away the fact that he was lurking, from what i remember he likes to push ppl SRing him when he's town and tends to avoid it as scum

I also want to hear buj's response to this .

[Performer]

Agree to disagree then. I just don't get the sense that sky is scum compared to rui, thewiz, fumu .

[Performer]

remind me why rui is scum?

451

[Performer]

Welcome, FL!
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I scum read Skygazer.

you know there are at least 3 scum in this game right? A singular scum read feels pretty fake and as scum gives you plenty of leverage to push w/e.

I'd be fine with axe or evee.

Eh? There’s nothing wrong with a singular scumread.

I’m really not giving this game atm, let me see if I can join a wagon.

Notanaxe provided a list that didn't have "oh I just have a singular scumread." So this accusation just looks bizarre from nero, and I've definitely moved into scumreading roster.

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and we prove that democracy doesn't work

Isn't that what the United States Presidential Elections are for?

Andrew Yang yesss. Freedom Dividend.

Nero how important is winning to you?

I care more about being right than winning. What is the point of this question?

Ugh...this sot of reminds me of radiantcowbells at times.

[Performer]

if she's scum that's a p decent claim.

agreed. that claim complicates things but I won't get into it at this point, because it might help scum.

I want to see sky's catchup tonight as well as FL's (I have not been townreading his predecessor).

[Performer]

If she's indeed a FN that makes BUJ's go with the flow vote p suspect. I might vote there.

I want to add that after reviewing sickofit's ISO, I get the feeling that

he

is going with the flow. Much like scum nero in FL's large theme game

[Performer]

this game genuinely isnt fun and my life is a wreck

I'm sorry to hear that. I lost my job earlier this month and things haven't been exactly rosy for me either, while I've been searching for new work. All we can do is just persevere and look on the bright side...things could always be worse.

Also I want to say that if you're indeed a town FN, I'd suggest sending the msg to someone who isn't likely to be a night kill, and is someone you believe is likely town.

[Performer]

I bet you scum is Buj, Axe, and Performer.

why??

[Performer]

If you think voting a wagon and not pushing it is scummy

if you're accusing me of being scum since I'm not shouting "lynch rui, rui is scum, death to rui" in every other post, then you're looking at a playstyle difference. And I personally find it annoying when players are overly posting only things like "lynch this, this is scum" and similar things . Because anyone could just ISO or ask the person instead.

[Performer]

I'm looking at performer's posts and it's hard for me to reason moving my vote somewhere else - They look like scum to me

Another wolfy pop in. Who else is scum?

Getting to the point where I'm feeling fine with this slot being turbo lynched . The rest of the ISO isn't townie either.

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@Sky And I wish you hadn't said you tried a gambit.
You were pretty clearly town. Now wrong town will just shrug off their terrible read because "you were playing scummy", and next game they'll be manipulated again and join another wagon on town just as easily.

this post looks like a big contrast to what you said in 543

[Performer]

The thing that really made me wonder is you said "you were pretty clearly town" about skygazer.

Yet in 543 you literally went with the crowd and said her death was for some noble cause??

[Performer]

I don't think buj is town.

VOTE: NerfedBuJ

[Performer]

I dont like that wiz said his claim was actually serious. The timing is scummy. What if there was an actual town fn or a town jk? Causes all sorts of problems and allows scum to more easily hide in the chaos.

Also, Will have to reread sick's iso as hes been pinging me.

Fl hasnt posted in over 2 days

[Performer]

town: saud, sky, nero, notanaxe, nomnom, eevee, bob

null: kid
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@schadd sickof hasn't posted in over 2 days
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@sickofit what are your reads?

[Performer]

Have been busy , will have to be catching up later

[Performer]

From that one post? Did you read his ISO?
Does this mean you scumread axe?

Fun fact: He bullshits.

true, he does a ton of reaction testing as his playstyle. problem is, FL said he was serious about thewizard. So, why did you say he was bullshitting??

Anyone have familiairity with sick?

I don't.

[Performer]

Oh right bujaber/performer/bob

Sad day when I temporarily forget performer is in the game

I do thi nk bujaber has decent equity for how he responded to the 1v1 but you moved off buj for sick right? Is sick still lower than buj for you?

Let's reread bob real fast

We're friends irl so how dare you forget me.

town: saud, sky, nero, notanaxe, nomnom, eevee, bob

null: kid

Sell me on those last 4 reads when you can perf

Toownblocking the real town and not townblocking the scum in nom/ela/bob is probably gamewinning

notanaxe+nom are tone reads. I have eevee & bob town due to my 453

Chicken’s town

Disagree
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off topic:

Just not feeling it, you know. Going all on gut

This made me think of that traitor game with 4 scum, where you said something similar to one of the quotes in my signature.

Just not feeling it, you know. Going all on gut

Been years with my alts, and I’m only now starting to alt slip.

It's okay, so long as you still have that boon charisma

I get lynched on Morality and scumread hard there, I don’t want that charisma.

It happens every Morality game. It’s definitely the avatar.

You weren't lynched as Morality in that game though....in fact, you made it to endgame despite claiming Informed Miller (which is 1 of the most hilarious fake claims I've ever seen LOL)

[Performer]

interaction on pg 32 between wagon & FL point me to believing FL is town. I've pushed thewiz into null just in case he somehow is town rb - I still don't like that ill-timed claim so early, and that he pushed one of my town reads as scum .

scummy: rui due to 451 & vote was on me, roster (interaction on pg 19 then suddenly voting me), nerfedbuj, sickof (I got a feeling that he was mirroring my reads and/or following what the biggest wagon would be without genuine critical thinking)

[Performer]

Still catching up from the massive explosion in the past several hours for posts...

Why does scum claim roleblocker though?

Part of me has started wondering if it's because there are 2 anti-town teams, which is allowed in normal games. As in there could be 2 scum teams (maybe 2 scum, and 2 scum) or 1 scum team (like 3 scum) with 1 sk. So, thewiz claiming town rb could be serial killer rb or scum 1-shot rb or some crazy thing. But I think there are better candidates than thewiz today because if we lynch that and he DOES turn out to be town rb, that would be awful.

[Performer]

Most likely, Axe is scum and there's a scum roleblocker. He likely inferred (incorrectly) that there wouldn't be a town roleblocker. Since (in his view) I was a fake claiming townie, I would be an easy lynch.

That is why he doesn't believe my claim, and why he is pushing me.

What are your reads?

Me, roster, bob, kid. The rest are probably all scum or at least 3 of them are.

This I actually partly agree with - in terms of roster/kid. I don't know why you're still scumreading me.

[Performer]

Axe vs wizard still stinks to high heaven. I do not get why axe as scum goes for such lhf thru a mech attack tho. Doesn't mean axe is town, just means if he's scum I don't get his strat yet

axe as scum doesn't make sense to me either.

Performer don't town frequently tunnel you cause you're so often scummy?

How strong you feel on buj?

I feel like the way he went about voting sky, later saying "oh hey, I KNEW it, I told you guys sky was town," then me asking about that and the way he handled that, was just not right. She's a claimed pr now.

The vanity vote from rui is awfully scummy as well but I feel worse about buj. Rui is a very close 2nd and I'd welcome a lynch on that as well. Her focus has been largely on me + she barely says anything else about the game. I don't even remember who her other scumreads are.

You can't deny you've been kinda low impact this game. Usually I would have a decent townread on you by now I think... well except in extra but iirc there were some hydra things there messing with my read

I don't think a high impact playstyle is who I am anyway?...also I've been busier this year irl

[Performer]

12 town and 3 mafia, people.

ugh my memory is terrible
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You can only ketchup if you relish the time you have

I take it back, go back to the mediocre economics jokes

we're here for Forum Mafia, not Economics Wonderland...

[Performer]

I think Performer maybe town... maybe need to decide on if that's a legit townslip.

I think the 1 giveaway is that I'm much more precise and calculated as scum. But then again, you've moderated my only scum win in that one game. So you would know

[Performer]

Dude performer sell me on kid town because I do not see that at all

I wasn't townreading kid but I am trusting your case on pg 43 since I have your slot as town .

Can you be more specific on what looks like genuine solving from ela?

Well...My 451 and 453 were saying that I townread bob for that , but eevee for other things.

[Performer]

That being said wiz would not be my first pick in those remaining 5 names but it seems like not a lot are on board with a kid lynch

I think if we bracketed off axe and his tunnel I'd say today's lynch should be in sick and buj.

But I'm not actually sure which of the two is scum, maybe sick, I just kinda feel like there's a scum in those two. Maybe sick. Hmmm.

I am willing to consolidate my vote as eod 1 is arriving very fast. I just dont believe thewiz lynch is the greatest thing to do... if he really is town rb, that would be awful and I've been in too many situations like that.

[Performer]

These wagons make me sad, is it too late to do something else?

What is THAT supposed to mean

I don't know... what do you think it means?

@rui How about we just turbo lynch you, that's a suggestion for your question.
rui reminds me of cultofathena from morality's scum game against something_smart, where coa was coasting scum there.

I don't love Bob's distance from both wagons, yet still supported both wagons with his vote. But for now I'm leaning more null/town)

How Was I distant from both wagons. The first wagon I was very much on and only postponed my verdict until day 2. As one way or anotehr we will be able to determine if he is telling teh truth


And with wizards wagon I am bit hesitant as there is danger that he is townie doing some dumb play. Although, at every turn he has failed to respond. I even tried to question him several times but he just ignored any attempt.

Hi bob what are your reads at this point?

[Performer]

Also, I'd like a full claim from Flavor Leaf no bullshit, because I will know. I called the BS correctly from TheWizard.

I will just say, anyone who is VT should not claim PR. It is never good for anything other than trolling.

If you are VT and you fake claim, you will be lynched.

I guess on retrospection, thewiz was doing that to hopefully draw an nk but the way he went about it was ridiculous and it ended up in his lynch.
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Why are we talking about claims in day 2?

And I didn't receive anything sky.

BuJ is town

assuming i'll be wagoned and flipped it'll be extremely obvious why soon

if im not wagoned and flipped then it'd be too much info for scum to say why

so hold on...buj received nothing from sky, sky said buj is town, then buj voted notanaxe??

[Performer]

i kind of did spew too much didnt i

im disloyal friendly neighbor

Yeah that’s a remarkably convenient claim.

It does almost make me think whether this is setup WIFOM but most likely Sky is just scum.

the fact that I've been in a large where scum literally fake claimed disloyal , sky survived n1, and now she adds that she's got this modifier but didn't tell us on d1...just doesn't add up.

[Performer]

i mean

why would i set myself up to get mislynched d2 as scum

i wouldnt

but at the time staying alive to get at least one result was most important, if i had retracted and claimed VT i would've been instalynched and we'd lose that one result

VOTE: sky

so now you're giving up with a self vote, which is also fishy

Problem is, if you're REALLY a disloyal FN, scum will need to kill you asap anyway because you're too valuable.

Overall the fact that the wagon on you built so fast, is also incredibly suspicious.
What are your reads right now.
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Other thoughts: if the pg 49 between sky/roster/buj is some scum theater, then 10/10 because wow.

townblock currently: eevee mostly due to 453, nero, notanaxe, nomnom, interaction on pg 32 between wagon & FL point me to believing FL is town

[Performer]

Sorry but why would she claim disloyal? It literally makes no sense to do so.

I do feel the claim is very convenient, but on the other hand if bob flips scum he seemed way too eager to jump on for that to be SvS

Pedit: After claiming disloyal is useless.

I'm scumreading bob for the interactions and fishy reads list on pg 47.


This d2 just began and it would be too quick to end it so soon, when there are people who haven't posted yet. My suggestion - Can we wait until everyone posted at least once before ending it. Until then, my intent is to vote bob.

[Performer]

Loyal would townclear. Disloyal is useles once the cat’s out the proverbial bag (this is another reason the claim is convenient for scum).

For now I'm going to put them at null after what's happened. by going with her result, we have a smaller poe so that's good to work with.

[Performer]

vc 1.5 (note the below votes were BEFORE sky's FN claim)

Skygazer (4): NotAnAxehole, nomnomnom, Saudade, KidAmn (roster, nerfed, bob added their votes after vc 1.5 was posted)
NotAnAxehole (2): NerfedBuJ , TheWizard
Performer (2): RuiRui, rosterfoster
EeveeLution Army (1): Nero Cain, then voted notanaxe
Flavor Leaf (1): Sickofit1138, then voted eevee
nomnomnom (1): Flavor Leaf
NerfedBuj (1): Skygazer
RuiRui(1): Performer
rosterfoster (1): EeveeLution Army
TheWizard (1): bob3141

Sky claimed FN right after she got to unannounced L-1 from bob's latest vote on her.
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eod 1 vc:

TheWizard (8): NotAnAxehole, rosterfoster, NerfedBuJ, nomnomnom, EeveeLution Army, bob3141, Sickofit1138, Skygazer
NerfedBuj (2): Nero Cain, Performer
NotAnAxehole (2): TheWizard, Flavor Leaf
Performer (1): RuiRui
KidAmn (1): Wagonomics
Wagonomics (1): KidAmn

not voting (0):
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Analyzing the above two vcs, first impression is that the team could be in bob/rui/sickof/kidam/roster (less confident on roster compared to others listed).

[Performer]

comes into today throwing shade after the sudden shift from me to bob,

I was suspecting him as of pg 47 , which was already before your suspicious posts...

[Performer]

sure I can buy that but that doesn't mean that kid and rui rui can't be scum together.

+1

[Performer]

Maybe they thought his even night claim is actually odd night or fake?

The thing about wagonomics is that I/sky/FL know him, he said he was some even-night pr, and so he basically put a target on his back. This also puts a +1 in me being paranoid of whoever knew krazy, because they would obviously kill him at night compared to someone else.
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Nero's pg 55 analysis is all sorts of farfetched - for one, I probably don't make to d7 regardless of my alignment (still town btw). And another person in the game dies even sooner (not getting into this because I don't want to paint a target on that person's back).

[Performer]

the one where I use my shots on you

He is protective target #1 for sure.

[Performer]

bob what's your read on me? Also, do you still think rui is lhf town?

[Performer]

the one where I use my shots on you

He is protective target #1 for sure.

Nero is not a doctor.

well I mean, whether or not he is wasn't really what I was getting at

[Performer]

roster why do you feel different here than the mini theme we completed.

[Performer]

One of Eevee and Nomnom lock scum

How?

[Performer]

Why not join me on rui rui?

I was waiting to see what they would say , but they're the only person who hasn't posted anything yet in light of everything on d2. so I didn't see the point of voting that slot until a replace.

also want to hear the answer from at least one person I asked something to (bob iirc), but hasn't replied to yet.
I think bob also called rui some sort of lhf town, which the more I thought of it, the stranger it sounded. does bob have some sort of meta with that slot?? fwiw I dont think rui slot is town but is probably scum.

I remember thinking sickofit looked quite scummy as well based on what he did today, but wanted to see what rui would say before deciding who to vote.

I find it odd that the bob wagon moved so quick and upon an ISO review, I saw a few posts of his that made me question the scumread on him . Because I think he would've targeted certain people if he really was scum . So I no longer think bob is a good vote.

[Performer]

Why does everyone get so fucking defensive all the time?

I didn't get the defensive tone from nerfed but I got it from notanaxe vs nero instead.

Why is performer town? Seems to be a popular opinion.

popular how? you and nero keep bringing up "why am I town" as a constant topic. I don't even remember why you guys scumread me anymore.

[Performer]

I'm scumreading performer too, I don't see how everyone is townreading him

Axe has 65/35 odds of being town to scum in my head

I don't like that Nero Cain is pointing to lurkers, it seems like he's drawing attention away from where we should be focusing today (the wizard wagon)

Turbo this.
VOTE: Rui

[Performer]

I mean maybe Flavor Leafs whole one of Rui Rui/Kid is scum is just scum that knows one of you is his buddy but I also don't like performer and I'm full of myself and 1365 makes sense to me and would be a perforemer/rui rui/kid team.

The way I see the vcs was that 1 or 2 were likely on thewiz wagon, and 1 or 2 were off it. Really doubt all 3 were on thewiz.
wagonom/fl/I/nero were not on that wagon because we played right, but people like rui/kidam who were not on the wagon and the way they went about d1 (voting me and wagonomics) raised alarm bells

[Performer]

But i appreciate the Night Kill protection.

+1

Bob’s town

Bob, answer my question please.

VOTE: rui
VOTE: sickofit

[Performer]

that I was some form of informed Towny,

you ARE informed. Just not town.

I dont think notanaxe is informed, nero....

[Performer]

@nero: sickof - upon ISO review I saw he called these scum or voted wagonomics/FL/eevee/sky at various points & strangely defended notan/nero/nomnom - as if to pocket them. and the rest of his ISO is lacking.
as for rui, we all know why by now, that I'm onboard with a lynch of rui.

Fine with either today.

[Performer]

I'm actually surprised that kid has me as a tr from his big 1676 catchup. He hasn't been all that memorable in the game and I don't know why he townreads me without going into the reasoning.

His wall catchup there is alright but it somewhat reminds me of eragon in the micro game, where eragon was scum teamed with cheekyteeky's alt. eragon in that game would lurk a ton and then pop up with these wall posts.
Also interesting to have read that he doesn't think the lynch should be sickofit.

I also want to know eevee's stance on kidam popping up to claim he's scum, and voting eevee.

[Performer]

We just transitioned into d2?....

[Performer]

VOTE: ruirui

[Performer]

sky, don't claim your msg target until they post if they got it or not. Thanks.

[Performer]

Like, is anyone the least bit surprised that I'm a town mason?

*raises hand* I'm not surprised.

[Performer]

I don't believe you

If notanaxe flips green, who else do you think is scum then?

[Performer]

that would do nothing but get him insta lynched d2. Also, he didn't get a FN so he's either town or scum that lied.

i think sky said shes disloyal FN? so if shes town AND hes town, then it makes sense that he didnt get the msg

However, he could be scum that lied, so there's that.

The fact that neither he or sky died last night, it also mightily suspect. that or scum is playing terribly because if sky & buj end up being town , then we've got a claimed mason + 2 town so that helps us more.

thinking of maybe a rui/roster/bob at the moment. None of them have posted so far too.

[Performer]

so we have to find the three scum in amn/roster/perf/rui/bob/eevee

This gives me a bad feeling as you have certain people in your townblock and put me as an sr.

I change my mind on the suggestion about you and your result earlier. Once everyone posts or when we reached about midday - 6/7/8 real life days into this day (whichever comes first), then you need you to claim who you sent your msg to .

[Performer]

Why do you have me as scum?
And I don't think buj answered this either.

[Performer]

having played with you town and scum before, it's an odd tone, your posting on pgs 78 and 77.

you seemed to randomly put myself there. It's like your reads in your ISO have been geared toward putting me further and further down, which i've seen scum do in games where they keep lynch options open.

[Performer]

considering im not technically clear i can see why they'd kill FL over me but it strongly implies that FL's reads are better than axes/noms/buj's which is why i'd rather have bob than rui right now

Lol I'll disagree on that...I think they were afraid of his late game , which I've seen him get better later in the game. FL lynched sickofit along with a lot of us, who surprisingly was town.
if it's a rui/rost/bob team, the only person who seems to know FL is roster so that's one reason there for the kill.
I'm not that familiar with bob and rui doesn't strike me as someone who knows FL.

these have been some interesting night kills but w/e, I don't know why scum precisely does what they do, for that we'd have to ask a scum member.

[Performer]

schadd - some of the animals were cool. Some were creepy looking.

Agreed lol.

[Performer]

honestly, if we had lynched Axe d1 and Nom and Performer stayed secret I think this coulda been a town win.

I was considering that this could've happened

Man...Bob did well with the fn idea. Havent read scum pt yet. I hope axe takes this game as a big learning moment...

[Performer]

Eh, Nero pushing me after straight up calling us masons was pretty sus. Not necessarily scum, but I mean, town deserved to lose. Sickofit and Nero standing up for Skygazer D2 was also sus...

Nero pushed me too but it was coming from town. We have to decipher if a push comes from town or scum...

Also the dead thread and Mason pt are good reads, folks! Hehe

[Performer]

Man. The scum pt is a great, funny read. I have to add that im impressed at how you guys arrived at the nk choices .