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1. Exilon town
2. Garmr town according to my role pm
3. RuiRui could be town
4. cbynumber probs town
5. Lil Uzi Vertpopsofctown confirmed town
6. Ausuka i would say town
7. u r a person 2 and u can be a townie too
8. skitter30 town
9. Egix96 I'm getting to lazy town
10. ChannelDelibird town
11. Inferno390 town
12. bob3141 is town
13. Sashaddin that leaves you
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Can I ask what's the reasoning and why you find it scummy?In post 11, Sashaddin wrote:
I don't like the reasoning of the sentence and the spelling errors that come with it.In post 10, skitter30 wrote:I thinj garmr's opening post probbaly(?) doesnt come from scum
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I don't think that would be a indicator of having more knowledge than townie should have. It seems like a tone and behavioural read more than my list is good.In post 16, Sashaddin wrote:
I think Skitter knows a lot more than us if he's able and willing to validate a seemingly pseudo-random list. I voted him, not you Garmr.In post 12, Garmr wrote:Can I ask what's the reasoning and why you find it scummy?
By the way, the spelling errors comment was totally not serious. I forgot to insert a smiley at the end.-
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Personally I wouldn't of put this point down. You could of left it to see if someone did have that reaction and have them sort out their alignment.In post 18, skitter30 wrote:This is the kind of rvs post i can see scum making ^^^^
(i'm not explicitly calling her scum for this rn, but noting that it comes from scum more than town imo)
The fact you put that there feels like your cutting off a potential conversation line and seems a bit like a preemptive defence. I'm still deciding if that's scummy or null so-
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Tbh the italics part I understand on skitter part something can appear scummy but you don't want to scum read someone for it just yet The bolded part was the impression I had at the time as well.In post 31, Ausuka wrote:
VOTE: skitterIn post 18, skitter30 wrote:This is the kind of rvs post i can see scum making ^^^^
(i'm not explicitly calling her scum for this rn, but noting that it comes from scum more than town imo)
it's literally just a naked vote and my standard entrance. why are you not explicitly calling me scum for it?if you think it comes from scum more than town, and the average player has a 1/4 chance to be scum, that's great odds on page 1.it feels as if you're afraid of entering a confrotantion so early more than anything else.
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VOTE: skitter
Why wouldn't you vote for Ausuka here instead of keeping your vote on a random person who hadn't yet posted?
I literally held off shifting from my rvs to skitter as well. By that same accord would I be scummy as well if not why am I different if so why didn't you mention me?
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it was self-aware, i knew quite well that if i didn't put in the parenthesis people would ask why i wasn't voting there (hint: i wasn't actually scumreading her, it was a natural progression from the previous post - i showed an rvs post that i liked (garmr's) and then showed one that i didn't (ausuka's) )
critic here, if that was your goal I would of phrased it differently Like in my post above it seems like preemptive defence and cuts a conversation line. If you are town you pretty much soured the bait if people thought that was the bit that was scummy. Unless your going for some sort of slayers gambit.In post 20, Garmr wrote:
Personally I wouldn't of put this point down. You could of left it to see if someone did have that reaction and have them sort out their alignment.In post 18, skitter30 wrote:This is the kind of rvs post i can see scum making ^^^^
(i'm not explicitly calling her scum for this rn, but noting that it comes from scum more than town imo)
The fact you put that there feels like your cutting off a potential conversation line and seems a bit like a preemptive defence. I'm still deciding if that's scummy or null so-
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I disagree. Scum have a easier time seeing a sinking ship than a townie and would want to jump off.In post 53, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I like Deli deciding not to further engage Skitter. I think attempting to create a theory or policy debate there is more likely to come from town than scum. Scum are more likely to want to cast suspicion on Skitter and/or anyone who shares her same sentiments on voting there.
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It was in the same vein the problem for him was shifting of the votes right. By the same logic I should of pressured skitter by jumping on instead of holding back and trying to keep my view point from tainting her reactions to much. It's more the premise that you have to jump off your rvs straight away if you find a vote scummy.In post 113, Exilon wrote:This sudden voting on CDB feels weird to me. Starting with this;
Something doesn't make sense here. You seem to be referring to postIn post 94, Garmr wrote:In post 28, ChannelDelibird wrote:
VOTE: skitter
Why wouldn't you vote for Ausuka here instead of keeping your vote on a random person who hadn't yet posted?
I literally held off shifting from my rvs to skitter as well. By that same accord would I be scummy as well if not why am I different if so why didn't you mention me?
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but that seems different. you were still deciding if skitter was scummy or not for it. So that's the answer to the question. so what's your question to CDB about, exactly?
Then in post 96,, you say that in the interaction between skitter and CDB, it came across to you that CDB was scummy.
So that's the first vote;
Then in post 95 bob says CDB is suspicious, then 97 says urap2 feels scummy as well.
But then votes CDB in the very next post, right after Garmr does. This happened 3 minutes later to his other post, and 4 other minutes after Garmr's vote.
It's almost as if Garmr's vote caused bob to vote too.
Also it seems like me and bob are in sync. He is town in my eyes.-
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In post 136, cbynumber wrote:s like your cutting off a potential conversation line and seems a bit like a preemptive defence. I'm still deciding if that's scummy or null socritic here, if that was your goal I would of phrased it differently Like in my post above it seems like preemptive defence and cuts a conversation line. If you are town you pretty much soured the bait if people thought that was the bit that was scummy. Unless your going for some sort of slayers gambit.[/quote]
This doesn't make sense, if you scumread CDB, what exactly are you critiquing if you caught him off of this?[/quote]
Because it could catch town as well if she is town because of how defensive it is. The reasoning cbd was caught out isn't the same reason why I was complaining about it. Makes sense if you sit and think about it for 2 minutes.-
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So in your opinion hypocrisy is a scummy trait? Bob is town in my book. Anyway your post 146 is entirely against my views except maybe skitter. I'm starting to come around to the slot being town but that's mostly to the reactions to her slot instead of the stuff she's posted.In post 151, Sashaddin wrote:
I think you are trying hard on this one, throwing shade on URAP2. Your argument made no sense too, you are using the very same word you are suspicious of.In post 97, bob3141 wrote:
Very much looks like an attempt to pretend to defend soemoneIn post 75, u r a person 2 wrote:72 comes from town I think.
Like it actually looks scummy afbutI think it actually reads townie from some new players.butat the same time keep using the"but ....."
As well as trying to emphasize possible scummy actionsbutraising this in a pretend defense. So If i got lynched and untimatly revealed as town you could simply say you dint think i was scum and could hold no blame
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throw some quick thoughts out there
town in my eyes
Lil Uzi Vert
Garmr(that's me)
Bob
Exilon(because of something he said that may rule him out from being scum with out him knowing about it.)
maybe town deciding
Skitter (mainly for peoples reaction to her than anything she has done herself.)
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It should in theory but as i said in past games I find town are more likely to be hypocritical as scum are more worried about their image.In post 155, Sashaddin wrote:In post 153, Garmr wrote:So in your opinion hypocrisy is a scummy trait? Bob is town in my book.Hypocrisy should come from scum, yes.As for my read, it's still early game I do with what I see. Later in the game I might not have considered that. Reading is hard Day 1.-
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No offence but early on you kinda looked weak. But as soon as you put up some fight people backed off. If you were scum I would see your scum mates trying to stick for you a little longer. Now everyone seems to be kissing ass except Ausuka. Ausuka reaction seems somewhat emotional to your accusation, Don't think it's a scummy one through because I don't see why scum would get emotional at that point.In post 157, skitter30 wrote:
i think it's fine to say this at this stage of the game tbhIn post 141, Exilon wrote:As in: if there's only one team of scum, and if you think three people are scum, you're not going to say "the scum team is these 2 people", right? That's how I read it.
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oh this is interesting. elaborate?In post 154, Garmr wrote:Skitter (mainly for peoples reaction to her than anything she has done herself.)-
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I don't like those sort of gambles you are thinking about. I know your pissed I called it out but it's better than the alternative. I don't think we should tell the rest of game what you were going to do that way we can keep scum guessing. So lets drop the subject right now.In post 219, Exilon wrote:Also if you could not call me stupid that would be great thanks-
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I'm not personally insulting by calling you stupid you I'm saying your action is stupid there's a big difference. Which is why I wrote "right now."In post 222, Exilon wrote:I'm not pissed, I just didn't come here to be personally insulted-
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The reactions to the sash wagon have been pronounced. So information wise I think it's the best lynch also the slot comes off as defeatist scum.
In post 186, Sashaddin wrote:In post 180, bob3141 wrote:You did the same thing that made me suspicous of bird but even more so. You vote for U person and only state you agree with skitter. Come across very much like scum trying to get bandwagon going but trying to avoid any responsibility if the player is revealsed as town. By saying you think x is town and you agree with him to lynch y.Yeah, it's called sheeping. When I said out lout I wanted to get into larges from minis, the hint I got was 'try to find someone who's town and sheep him for the first days'. Sad to see I got bad advice.
Plus, I really was in a hurry but wanted to participate in anyways. Big mistake from hindsight.In post 146, Sashaddin wrote:- I'm not touching the Inferno-Exilon feud with a ten-foot pole for now.
- Garmr and I were scum partners once, he hasn't done much but I'm getting the same vibe. I'm watching this slot.
- ChannelDelibird is surprisingly coming very townie to me. I saw a couple of people voting him while skimming the thread, but after reading his ISO I couldn't tell why. Townlean for me.
- Skitter seems town.
- Bob seems nervous scum, like post 97 below
The others don't have enough posts or impact on the game yet.
His words say one thing but his actions say another. If sash's plan was to sheep a town read as for the first day then you think they would be more blatent and obvious about it. Also Actions like trying to break rvs and then switching to two scum reads practically no one has or is pushing makes the bolded seem more like an excuse pulled from their ass.In post 151, Sashaddin wrote:
I think you are trying hard on this one, throwing shade on URAP2. Your argument made no sense too, you are using the very same word you are suspicious of.In post 97, bob3141 wrote:
Very much looks like an attempt to pretend to defend soemoneIn post 75, u r a person 2 wrote:72 comes from town I think.
Like it actually looks scummy afbutI think it actually reads townie from some new players.butat the same time keep using the"but ....."
As well as trying to emphasize possible scummy actionsbutraising this in a pretend defense. So If i got lynched and untimatly revealed as town you could simply say you dint think i was scum and could hold no blame
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Also I find it interesting they sheeped inferno yet refrained from calling them town ever. If you were to sheep a town read as a strategy day 1 you would think that you'd atleast call them town. After the point you sheeped your next comment about them is you wouldn't touch their debate with a ten foot pole. If you town read inferno still I would expect more of a comment.
Something along the lines of these 3 comments "I think it's a town vs town" or "it changed my read on inferno genuinely and I don't know how to read him now." Or "While I town read inferno I disagree with his argument on exilon I think it's null indicator" Then shift your vote to another sheep another town read player on your list. Because it seems to me at the time you were watching them to see if any would become a viable wagon.-
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yeah just going to note down these points
1-scum have day chat (noticed that due to what I thought excellion gamble was)
2-No one has calling sash town
3-The generic response I don't know if I want to jump on the wagon. With no reason not to scum read sash or town read them.
4-Been ages with out a meaningful post
5-wagon starts to gain steam out of no where.
6-A lot of my town reads are on sash wagon including confirmed town and myself.
May be a bit premature but with all these points combined I think scum stayed silent on the sash wagon to see if it would dissolve naturally and rui rui was their planned counterwagon in their day chat.-
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that or picking the first townie to push a wagon to sheep.In post 235, Garmr wrote:yeah just going to note down these points
1-scum have day chat (noticed that due to what I thought excellion gamble was)
2-No one has calling sash town
3-The generic response I don't know if I want to jump on the wagon. With no reason not to scum read sash or town read them.
4-Been ages with out a meaningful post
5-wagon starts to gain steam out of no where.
6-A lot of my town reads are on sash wagon including confirmed town and myself.
May be a bit premature but with all these points combined I think scum stayed silent on the sash wagon to see if it would dissolve naturally and rui rui was their planned counterwagon in their day chat.-
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I find it odd because rui rui is in the same situation as I bolded not doing much and has even less content than sash.In post 237, ChannelDelibird wrote:
Even speaking as someone who thinks the RuiRui wagon is the best one currently available, I really like your thinking here. Well, most of it. I agree that a lack of townreads on Sash would normally be a good indicatorIn post 235, Garmr wrote:yeah just going to note down these points
1-scum have day chat (noticed that due to what I thought excellion gamble was)
2-No one has calling sash town
3-The generic response I don't know if I want to jump on the wagon. With no reason not to scum read sash or town read them.
4-Been ages with out a meaningful post
5-wagon starts to gain steam out of no where.
6-A lot of my town reads are on sash wagon including confirmed town and myself.
May be a bit premature but with all these points combined I think scum stayed silent on the sash wagon to see if it would dissolve naturally and rui rui was their planned counterwagon in their day chat.but Sash has done pretty much nothing so far,so not really anything for scum to feel like they need to townread yet.
So I'll take you for town for now, and still want to see where this RuiRui wagon goes, but I'm keeping my eyes open. What do you think of RuiRui's iso, Garmr?
I feel rui rui is more a shot in the dark because their content to me seems so hollow like they are playing the game casually, while sash has scummyness sprinkled in through his post. You can tell they are just pretending to do stuff, There's more scum points to it.
They could be both be scum (rui's null) when taking individually. Together through with how everyone is acting I don't think they are scum together. Unless scum is sacrificing another player for town cred which doesn't make sense this early on as it would seem artificial in the latter parts and the town cred would dissolve fast.-
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I will bring this up also agree with urap2 point that sash just seems to be scum trying to appear as a oddball taking different stances to everyone else. After that was brought up Sash's post about sheeping seems to be a lie mixed with ate. It looks made up on the spot to throw people off. If you look at the timing of it as well it was when sash was accused of trying to be a oddball. So instead of directly confronting the situation he tried to change his appearance on the spot.In post 239, ChannelDelibird wrote:I disagree that one's iso is null and the other's is scummy; it's the opposite way round for me. Can't quote it up on my phone but for time being would point to the post where I first expressed my suspicion of RuiRui for why I think her iso is explicitly nontown. I don't think it's just 'casual', it's lazy and afraid to push out the boat.-
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Even more genuine than a IC?In post 241, Inferno390 wrote:Yeah I’m not buying Sash. If anything, Bob’s vote on Sash feels the most genuine of any of them.-
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Yeah of course I moved my vote because a wagon formed, it was on a scum read of mine and tbh I haven't liked one post of theirs . A scum read is gaining a wagon why wouldn't you jump on.In post 245, Inferno390 wrote:
I’m disregarding the IC because I know he’s town.In post 243, Garmr wrote:
Even more genuine than a IC?In post 241, Inferno390 wrote:Yeah I’m not buying Sash. If anything, Bob’s vote on Sash feels the most genuine of any of them.
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opportunistic? how?In post 242, Inferno390 wrote:Gamr I’m conflicted about. He comes off very tonally odd and very opportunistic rn.
Gamr I’m conflicted about. He comes off very tonally odd and very opportunistic rn.I feel like he moved his vote back onto Sash because a wagon started forming there.I only saw reasons for why he thought Sash was scum until after the wagon. And the vote on Channel was very sheepy. And I don’t like the “vote first, reasons later” narrative I’m seeing. Seems unnatural.
Can I ask how can one be sheepish if they are first to vote a slot (If you ignore voting tag issues)? Hell I would also argue in being the first one to be suspicious of the slot in post 94 which would be obvious to people who can read tone. Also bobs reasoning to mine was different (I do agree with bobs through.)and the vote on Channel was very sheepy.-
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Btw nearly forgot I gave a reason when voting CDB no matter how brief and I have interactions with Sash through out the game (Had them in my scum list before they wagon even happened.) so it's not like it came out of no where (Also another example of them being in my scum list before a proper case was made.) I don't like this narrative your trying to create about me being sheepish and not displaying thought of my own especially since you really have to reach to make it up.In post 245, Inferno390 wrote:And I don’t like the “vote first, reasons later” narrative I’m seeing. Seems unnatural.
Inferno can you guess who else made it to my scum list from the tone of my last few posts?-
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Nah it's fine nothing to be sorry about. Besides I don't always read my pedits either.In post 248, Exilon wrote:Uh I hadn't seen Garmr's latest post. Sorry-
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It really doesn't. When ever I here this still stands it seems like someone is trying to justify a debunked stance.In post 258, Inferno390 wrote:@Gamr:
Okay, let me make it clear:
I feel like you moved your vote to Sash ONLY because a wagon started forming there. By the time you voted each of the aforementioned players, you only had three interactions with Sash and 1 with CDB, none of which were indicative of your reads and definitely not worth the “would lynch myself” response they got on your read list. Your “reasons” for Sash aren’t actually stated until 228 and it looks like you were looking for ways to justify your Sash wagon. You’ve taken the two players you have pushed the most, called them scum, and then gave your reasons (in the case of Sash). For CDB, I missed the vote tag mistake and I apologize.But the point still standsthat the “interactions” you said you had neither show your reads on those player nor deserve the 100% scumread you are giving to them.
I gave my reasons after so I can keep the wagon going because I don't want it to die off since it's on a scum read. What I find odd is you never mentioning if my reasoning is legit or not Or try to argue with it but you try to discredit it because It came after my vote.
You know I can read other posts as well interaction, Maybe you can't get a solid read but I can. I always been noted for having a different scum rader good or bad. But on that not My read on CBD has weakened.
The words you used for me were Sheepy,opportunistic,tonally odd. We easily proved I wasn't sheepy, Opportunistic is a stretch since I had a scum read on sash before the wagon started and my other wagon wasn't picking up steam. Tonally odd isn't a scum tell on it's own, you also haven't even explained that one either.
And the points you shifted the goal post to now.
1.You are basically arguing now that I didn't have a scum read because it I didn't interact enough, which is a bad point because you have to have a lot of assumptions negates that I can read an iso, different people find different things scummy and in different amounts.
2.You are also arguing that giving reasoning after a vote is a scum thing to do. I didn't need to justify my scum read because no one asked me to. So what would the benefit of scum me be to do it a couple of post latter instead of the beginning when it would be less eye catching? I can give you the town reason, it's because I wanted to push the wagon forward because I wanted to keep steam going and at 5 am in the morning when I originally voted I was to tired then.-
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Would like to point out the scenario here.
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Finds sash reacy early on doesn't mention him latter.In post 36, Inferno390 wrote:I’m off-put by the tone here. Seems weird.
Skitter feels pushy
Sash feels reachy
What's odd about someone pushing 2 scum reads at the same time, he did it early? So that indicates the problem wasn't he was being scumread but being tied with sash.In post 178, Inferno390 wrote:I don’t like how 162 is used to throw shade in my direction while simultaneously pushing Sash.
It's funny they were quite happy throwing shade at the begging at rvs but sash had done nothing to earn a town read. Through out their posts he doesn't even show a town read on sash but actively opposes the wagon.In post 231, Inferno390 wrote:Thx m8
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I’m a little hesitant on the Sash wagon. It formed really fast, and I’m not entirely convinced it’s legit. I’m gonna have to go back and read it to see how it formed.
So with that I think this is what happened. From these past events Inferno was looking to shut down the wagon but because he doesn't want to be tied up with sash he goes for the generic The wagon came in to fast and not legit sentiment that people with doubt seemed to have. He starts throwing shade on everyone (except bob which to me indicate buddying).
To me it seems like post 242 was meant to throw shade on me and for people not looked into to deeply. Which is why he included theBUTto fake some kind of doubt. If you noticed when he starts talking about me and with me, he drops any notion of doubt when arguing. The fact he mistakes where I placed my votes and what I talked about and when shows to me that it was quick Iso job with out much thought and written after being questioned on his throw away statement. Finally he tries to keep his point by changing the goal post instead of accepting the facts. This shows that he isn't concerned with finding out my alignment and just throwing shade. Also with this much effort to try and trying to cling to try make me look scummy you'd think town would throw a vote since he isn't pushing urap2 anymore.
The answer is simple he was chainsawing for Sash and didn't expect to have to explain his motive. Now his caught up in it.
VOTE: Inferno390
I'm up for either Inferno or Sash but I feel inferno deserves the pressure.
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In post 260, Sashaddin wrote:Um, hello. Sorry for the absence, I thought of quitting then I thought how I hate when someone quits on games I like, so here i am.
Having caught up, the very first thing that comes to my mind is that Garmr is very opportunistic and shrewd. He's the same that when were red together, he's playing within his scum range imo. He's my prime suspect.
Others are less obvious, I'll have to read a second or third time this evening to get a feel of the other players, probably when the kids and wife are sleeping.
But in the meantime:
VOTE: Garmr
I think we only played once together because I don't remember you at all tbh.In post 261, Sashaddin wrote:By the way, Garmr knows I'm not that good and not too experienced either, he probably saw an easy push in me right from the start. I'm not voting him him because he voted me personally, I'm voting him because he's been playing like he is on a weak player (which happens to be me).
Also It's been months since I played a game on site so I don't know if you are a weak player or not. So you could of improved, just being played a bad game. But I think that's a pretty scummy thing to do to try and portray yourself as weak to deflect criticism.
The fact you are acting like you know me like we played 100 games together makes me lean scum on you even more.-
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Pretty much but I still scum read inferno individually. Plus I'm so good my votes basically worth 2 jokes. The sash wagon will just get stale (which benefits scum) with this long amount of time left and I'd rather get both scum reads to be the two competing wagons.In post 270, u r a person 2 wrote:@garmr you're inferno read basically assumes that they are scum with sash, right?
Let's lynch sash first
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1.My point was to show I had interest which is the case because your earlier point was they came out of no where and were sheepish. Now you just moved the goal post to it wasn't enough interaction. My earlier post has a answer for this if you bothered to acknowledge it. But acknowledging it would force you to drop it.In post 265, Inferno390 wrote:@Gamr:
1. That is not what I am arguing. You are saying that it should be obviously clear that you were scumreading Sash by your interactions with the slot. The point I’m making shows that this is clearly not the case.
2. That’s not a town reason. If you think a person is actually scum, you shouldn’t need to find reasons to “push the wagon forward.” Your reads should justify the wagon. You shouldn’t be trying to find reasons for the wagon to exist. That alone suggests that you’re fabricating your reads. And what is the Town motivation for NOT giving your reasoning for reads with a vote?
And you have not shown to me at all that your vote on Sash wasn’t sheepy or opportunistic. As should be clear by me saying at the beginning of the post, “...ONLY because a a wagon started forming there.” Not to mention that your readlist is just you throwing out a readlist without any sort of game impact. You just said “oh this is town, this is town, this is scum.” That’s not a read on Sash. That’s just throwing words around. And it’s not helpful to Town.
2. You are creating this narrative how I had to find reasons after I made the vote. The answers simple I had reasons before I voted but I didn't share them right away (Still got a few keeped away like post 16 knee jerk reaction and his response on bob when I questioned him, which my scum read appeared from. Thought people could easily put two and two together) Also you are ignoring the fact I said I opened up and said I found them scummy before. This leaves me open for someone to ask the question to why I found them scummy earlier(no one did.) So of course I had my reasons
That's not how it works lol You are saying that not giving a reason is scum motivated so the burden of proof is on you. You don't have a reason to think it's scum motivated because it a reason you pulled out your ass to throw shade. I can give you the reason I didn't through it was like 5 am in the morning and I hadn't sleeped all night I then gave my reasons when I had enough time to (After work).what is the Town motivation for NOT giving your reasoning for reads with a vote?
Sheepy means to follow someone else's reason I didn't do that, That's what sheeping is. Also you haven't proven why it's opportunistic and scummy? You say oh it's because a wagon formed but that doesn't say why it's scummy or rule out all the over possibilities. My reasoning was because a scum read I announced earlier was gaining transition and I wanted more pressure on that slot. Can you think of a reason why I wouldn't move my vote as town?
Just remembered this even further proof you are partners. The reason he didn't call you town was because you are scum.This also make sense why you threw shade at me instead of others on the wagon. Because it links you with Sash.In post 228, Garmr wrote:Also I find it interesting they sheeped inferno yet refrained from calling them town ever. If you were to sheep a town read as a strategy day 1 you would think that you'd atleast call them town. After the point you sheeped your next comment about them is you wouldn't touch their debate with a ten foot pole. If you town read inferno still I would expect more of a comment.-
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Ironic you call this laughable when you were so desperate before to cling to that pathetic misrep.In post 278, Inferno390 wrote:
This post makes me laugh so much. It’s very clearly misrepresentation.In post 268, Garmr wrote:Would like to point out the scenario here.
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Finds sash reacy early on doesn't mention him latter.In post 36, Inferno390 wrote:I’m off-put by the tone here. Seems weird.
Skitter feels pushy
Sash feels reachy
What's odd about someone pushing 2 scum reads at the same time, he did it early? So that indicates the problem wasn't he was being scumread but being tied with sash.In post 178, Inferno390 wrote:I don’t like how 162 is used to throw shade in my direction while simultaneously pushing Sash.
It's funny they were quite happy throwing shade at the begging at rvs but sash had done nothing to earn a town read. Through out their posts he doesn't even show a town read on sash but actively opposes the wagon.In post 231, Inferno390 wrote:Thx m8
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I’m a little hesitant on the Sash wagon. It formed really fast, and I’m not entirely convinced it’s legit. I’m gonna have to go back and read it to see how it formed.
So with that I think this is what happened. From these past events Inferno was looking to shut down the wagon but because he doesn't want to be tied up with sash he goes for the generic The wagon came in to fast and not legit sentiment that people with doubt seemed to have. He starts throwing shade on everyone (except bob which to me indicate buddying).
To me it seems like post 242 was meant to throw shade on me and for people not looked into to deeply. Which is why he included theBUTto fake some kind of doubt. If you noticed when he starts talking about me and with me, he drops any notion of doubt when arguing. The fact he mistakes where I placed my votes and what I talked about and when shows to me that it was quick Iso job with out much thought and written after being questioned on his throw away statement. Finally he tries to keep his point by changing the goal post instead of accepting the facts. This shows that he isn't concerned with finding out my alignment and just throwing shade. Also with this much effort to try and trying to cling to try make me look scummy you'd think town would throw a vote since he isn't pushing urap2 anymore.
The answer is simple he was chainsawing for Sash and didn't expect to have to explain his motive. Now his caught up in it.
VOTE: Inferno390
I'm up for either Inferno or Sash but I feel inferno deserves the pressure.
P:Edit still didn't vote me after struggling this hard to keep trying to throw shade.
The first post is me generating discussion and tossing around words.
The second post had nothing to do with me being pushed. Because I wasn’t actually being pushed by the post I was referring to. It was just blatant side shade.
Third post, I never actually came out and said Sash is scum or town. I actually have him null. I think that there’s some sus wit the way the wagon was formed and am looking to see if there’s scum on it. But I would actually be okay with a Sash lynch.
You’re clearly flailing here, and it’s kind of sad, because my push on you wasn’t even that good.
First post- Doesn't address my point so what if you are tossing around words.
2nd post-weak defence it wasn't a push just shade . You still looked more concern being tied to sash.
3rd post-Yeah that;s the entire fucking point you didn't call sash town or scum just threw shade.
What's sad is your clearly flailing here by posturing up, because this isn't even the best bit of my push. Maybe once you become a better player you'll be able to shake me off in the future.-
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What makes me facepalm is you are acting smug when you just admitted your entire case was bad. It's like indirectly admitting that your not town by clinging onto something you know was bad and thrown together. You even stopped trying to defend your actions!
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It does to me.In post 285, skitter30 wrote:
none of the things you've described here feel scummy to me reallyIn post 228, Garmr wrote:
Sure you can but I thought I answered you and you acknowledged it. But how do I feel weird for you (also it's not my weekend I work hospitality so i'm always juggling a saturday or sunday.)In post 285, skitter30 wrote: ==
hey u2 it's the weekend, can we talk about how you feel weird now?
or at least answer the points i left in my last post for you?
On a individual player yes 2 may be considered but when you get a whole group that shows a pattern. But yes this is a game state argument which has my own veiws factored in.In post 285, skitter30 wrote:
a) wrt point 2: that's fallacious; a lack of being townie (or being called townie) != being scummy.In post 235, Garmr wrote:1-scum have day chat (noticed that due to what I thought excellion gamble was)
2-No one has calling sash town
3-The generic response I don't know if I want to jump on the wagon. With no reason not to scum read sash or town read them.
4-Been ages with out a meaningful post
5-wagon starts to gain steam out of no where.
6-A lot of my town reads are on sash wagon including confirmed town and myself.
May be a bit premature but with all these points combined I think scum stayed silent on the sash wagon to see if it would dissolve naturally and rui rui was their planned counterwagon in their day chat.
their reaction was bad and ate-y, sure, but i don't know that's inherently scummy. and nothing you cited earlier as a reason to scumread him has been particularly compelling to me. and none of the things you've listed here describe scummy play from him either really, so much as a describing a gamestate that you think points to sash!scum. i don't particularly agree with this analysis
b) who exactly are sash's partners that are pushing the planned counterwagon of rui?
hmm I thought at the time CDB and egix which were my scum reads at the time (2 scum reads jump on the counter wagon of another scum read kinda leaves a impression.) But i'm not as sure on CDB anymore. So Sash,inferno,(egix or cbd being my stabs at the third scum).-
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Yeah this is the problem. These things are puzzles pieces Lets put them togther.In post 287, skitter30 wrote:
it's not scum-indicative to sheep someone without explicitly calling them townIn post 286, Garmr wrote:It does to me.
nor is not being obvious/explicit about planning on sheeping day1
nor is pushing two scumreads that nobody else are pushing
Person is under pressure to come up with a excuse makes the "I was sheeping town reads." Since their actions show no signs of sheeping town reads in fact you look for them saying they were going to do it you can't find it. You find evidence of the opposite. So by adding all those points you can conclude they were lying about it and it was a rushed excused.
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That's understandable with 4 people on the wagon at least 2 have to be town if sash is scum.In post 287, skitter30 wrote:
i understand that you're saying that you see a pattern emerging wrt sash's position in the gamestate.In post 286, Garmr wrote:On a individual player yes 2 may be considered but when you get a whole group that shows a pattern. But yes this is a game state argument which has my own veiws factored in.
hmm I thought at the time CDB and egix which were my scum reads at the time (2 scum reads jump on the counter wagon of another scum read kinda leaves a impression.) But i'm not as sure on CDB anymore. So Sash,inferno,(egix or cbd being my stabs at the third scum).
for me tho i don't really read sash's play as being particularly scummy rn, and i dont' find a gamestate read particularly compelling when it doesn't really correlate with my actual reads on people.
also i'm voting rui rn btw
i was kinda checking if you had someone particular in mind wrt the rui wagon or if you were just like generically shading the whole thing; i don't think you were doing that.
Not really but when I have them I point them out. Through I actually outed masons before this way twice I don't think hat's the case this time.In post 287, skitter30 wrote: are your reads often dependant on associatives?
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this was addressed to ur a person 2 [/quote]LolIn post 286, Garmr wrote:Sure you can but I thought I answered you and you acknowledged it. But how do I feel weird for you (also it's not my weekend I work hospitality so i'm always juggling a saturday or sunday.)-
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I'm town and I have the same reaction.In post 475, skitter30 wrote:
^^^^^ bad reactionIn post 473, u r a person 2 wrote:let's just lynch sash
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Glad it is, that means I can play the game longer because being the first night kill always sucks.In post 487, Inferno390 wrote:
DebatableIn post 486, Garmr wrote:
I'm town and I have the same reaction.In post 475, skitter30 wrote:
^^^^^ bad reactionIn post 473, u r a person 2 wrote:let's just lynch sash
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Fixed this list for you
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So do you think sash is town?In post 503, Egix96 wrote:
This bugs me... I don't think you'd have said "I'm town and..." if you actually were. Feels forced.In post 486, Garmr wrote:
I'm town and I have the same reaction.In post 475, skitter30 wrote:
^^^^^ bad reactionIn post 473, u r a person 2 wrote:let's just lynch sash
especially in the event of town!sash
Not moving my vote btw. Main reason why I don't feel like voting urap is 453 because I doubt that scum would say that someone who's tunnelled on them is "clearly town" because that normally doesn't end well (it's very hard to do without it looking like TMI).-
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1 sash is going to flip scum.In post 548, u r a person 2 wrote:
why not thoIn post 547, Garmr wrote:God I don't want a last minute lynch on a spontaneous wagon.
2.less information than wagons that have been going all day.
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Check my interaction and reasoning in my iso
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Doubt you posts come from townIn post 552, Inferno390 wrote:
Well I highly doubt this comes from townIn post 549, Garmr wrote:
1 sash is going to flip scum.In post 548, u r a person 2 wrote:
why not thoIn post 547, Garmr wrote:God I don't want a last minute lynch on a spontaneous wagon.
2.less information than wagons that have been going all day.
Unless you wanna lynch inferno?-
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246 onwards should hive you a idea.In post 554, u r a person 2 wrote:i don't have time to iso you, could you point me to the posts you want me to find?-
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That logic Is horrible. Scum have the ability to nightkill you dolt. Think about it. Also yes I am frustrated the wagon I been pushing is falling apart because I want to lynch scumIn post 558, Inferno390 wrote:In post 547, Garmr wrote:God I don't want a last minute lynch on a spontaneous wagon.
Given that the only “spontaneous wagon” going on is UR2, this reads suspiciously like scum worried that his partner is going to get lynched out of nowhere because the wagon he’s been pushing falls apart. Plus saying I should be lynched, especially when widely townread indicates to me that he’s scum that wants to get rid of me.In post 549, Garmr wrote:
1 sash is going to flip scum.In post 548, u r a person 2 wrote:
why not thoIn post 547, Garmr wrote:God I don't want a last minute lynch on a spontaneous wagon.
2.less information than wagons that have been going all day.
Unless you wanna lynch inferno?-
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Why would you shoot the confirmed townie first? There's probably other power roles in the game there could be anything from a doctor, to a watcher or a cop anything. Only a noob scum team would shoot the first night.In post 562, Inferno390 wrote:And they’re not going to use that nightkill to, you know, kill confirmed town like LUV?
And what does the nightkill have to do with Gamr!Scum not wanting UR2!Scum to be lynched?
Ok lets pretend that sash is town and we lynch them what do we lose? a vt.
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No, I'm not going to... I'm a vt.In post 549, Garmr wrote:1 sash is going to flip scum.
If his scum that's great.
Now lets say that UR2 is town either a power role or scum. Bang scum know 3 roles lynched one and can just leave Sash a wifom bait. A player as exprienced as you should at least know that much right?
Honestly I don't care to much if ur2 does get lynched but if someone that I town read like Bob or Ausuka nah uh.
Also funny how you accuse me of trying to falsely shield UR2. I literally caught you shielding sash. Difference is I found all the links and shit as well yours to solidify it. Yours is a hollow shell with two purposes. To try and shake my claim of you shielding sash and trying to throw shade at the same time depending on how people will react.-
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..... Are you fucking kidding me. We spent pages arguing about it I said you were partners with sash and trying to derail his wagon with out getting on the counter wagon and you fucking act like it never happened are you fucking reading the game.In post 564, Inferno390 wrote:If I’m trying to shield Sash, then why the heck did I say that a) I was okay with a Sash lynch and b) I would hammer the slot?
I really don’t appreciate the attempt to make me look as dumb as possible in order to discredit what I’m saying.
I’ll respond to the rest of this later when I have tome.
Don't try and play dumb you only did said those things to cover up and a)Just because you say something, doesn't mean your doing it. It's mafia people lie and your earlier actions say different. b)Yeah after I drilled you hard enough after multiple posts, so you can preserve your image.-
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Basically but it's more that skitter already revealed their role(fakeclaim) and by the off chance he is town he is still mislynch bait latter on. If they are scum we should just lynch them anyway. But to be honest it's obvious the slot is scum.In post 572, skitter30 wrote:
r u arguing that we shouldn't wagon urap lest town!him is forced to claim and scum will now know three roles?In post 563, Garmr wrote:Now lets say that UR2 is town either a power role or scum. Bang scum know 3 roles lynched one and can just leave Sash a wifom bait. A player as exprienced as you should at least know that much right?
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A)He is to me.In post 581, skitter30 wrote:
a) he's not obvious scumIn post 579, Garmr wrote:
Basically but it's more that skitter already revealed their role(fakeclaim) and by the off chance he is town he is still mislynch bait latter on. If they are scum we should just lynch them anyway. But to be honest it's obvious the slot is scum.In post 572, skitter30 wrote:
r u arguing that we shouldn't wagon urap lest town!him is forced to claim and scum will now know three roles?In post 563, Garmr wrote:Now lets say that UR2 is town either a power role or scum. Bang scum know 3 roles lynched one and can just leave Sash a wifom bait. A player as exprienced as you should at least know that much right?
or did i misunderstand and you're saying something else?
b) i think the fact that he's claimed already is a weak argument against wagoning other people (who actually are scummy!)
B)I don't think it is since you like claims so much why don't we all massclaim then ;/ Also sash>urap in the scummy meter.-
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I don't see it as town nor do I see it as scum. Any alignment can be funny and it's a reach to try and justify a town read.In post 627, skitter30 wrote:
like seriously do you see scum!him saying this as a response?In post 605, Sashaddin wrote:
Scummy by Nature is my garage cover-up band.In post 604, u r a person 2 wrote:that would diminish from stronger arguments, like how sash's recent posts are scummy
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Think it's more of struggle to get this lynch since counter wagons were thrown at it.In post 629, skitter30 wrote:i don't think this is a wagon on scum
the gamestate is too ~complacent~
it feels like scum are just content to let the clock wind-down and let people vote for their favorite compromise wagon (ie sash, as multiple people have said) and they don't have a problem with that so they're just letting it happen and taking it easy
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Agree with waiting but you say that sashas a compromise but to some people on the wagon he is a legit scum read.In post 634, skitter30 wrote:uh ... nobody's talking?
the same like four people keep talking to each other, otherwise it's been a really quiet game. things aren't really happening
you keep trying to push the lynch back to sash (and to get me to vote there!)
and while high risk gamble's lack of catching up is awful, so is suggesting a wagon on him, the slot has been *empty* for like forever and has no content, and i don't want to lynch it before we force content out of it
compromise-lynching an empty slot is just like ...... ok i guess but like we can do better? like why settle for that?-
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Lol what ever.In post 643, Inferno390 wrote:Honestly, I would rather a Sash flip than a Rui one. I think we get a lot more info off the Sash flip than anything else atp except maybe UR2.
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Why didn't you try it earlier today instead of bitching out? Or we you setting it up so you could nightkill me?In post 646, Inferno390 wrote:First order of business after the night is to lynch Gamr.
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Tunneling isn't a town only trait.......... I have seen scum tunnel their scum mate from the start of the game to the end with out reading another person once.In post 656, u r a person 2 wrote:it's crazy to me that you don't see how tunneled he has been and i really just don't see it coming from town.