Does that work when you announce that's what you're doing?In post 30, implosion wrote:phil is basically guaranteed to either be scum or towntell very hard very quickly when put under pressure so let's go friends
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Fuck you.In post 35, James Brafin wrote:Hey everyone, I’m James Brafin.
Some things to know:
I policy vote/lynch toxicity. Period. I don’t want it in my game. It’s no fun for anyone.
Kind of agree. I don't think you can get near as much from RVS as some people think. But as to foundation - meta is somewhat of a foundation.I don’t like RVS. I’ve heard it said that it builds information, but how can you build information on no foundation? So I’m abstaining my vote. When I put it up you can assume your RVS is over.
Your sister's house. I hear she's freaky.I’m also doing a touch of research to improve my preliminary reads, so if I ask a weird question just play along.
Speaking of weird questions, I’d appreciate it if everyone would answer this:
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So you're just guessing?In post 39, implosion wrote:
None?In post 32, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 30, implosion wrote:phil is basically guaranteed to either be scum or towntell very hard very quickly when put under pressure so let's go friendsWhat Meta Gives You Such An Impression-
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I was toxic. Why aren't you voting me?In post 55, James Brafin wrote:All responses noted.
To those who have an issue: I understand your concern, but I promise there is a very good reason for this. Let’s just say I’m trying to change the game so to speak.-
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You seem to be feeling pressure from both Phil and me.In post 59, James Brafin wrote:You should know, if you actually meta-dived, that if you vote me I feel no pressure.
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Push that and I'll fight you to the end.In post 85, implosion wrote:I actually really strongly dislike Skellen's two posts so far. It reads like scum who opened the thread, saw James's question and said "oh sure, I can answer that", then continued reading the thread looking for something to respond to, saw my post with my random-ass townreads, and went "oh sure, I can give a response to this."-
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Because skellen's the fucking IC.In post 89, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Interesting, whyIn post 86, Persivul wrote:
Push that and I'll fight you to the end.In post 85, implosion wrote:I actually really strongly dislike Skellen's two posts so far. It reads like scum who opened the thread, saw James's question and said "oh sure, I can answer that", then continued reading the thread looking for something to respond to, saw my post with my random-ass townreads, and went "oh sure, I can give a response to this."-
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^ Person with a sense of humor.In post 113, Dry-fit wrote:In other news I wish Persivul didn't spill the beans so soon about our Innocent Child. Should of let more information and hilarity ensue.-
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Why not?In post 27, Phillammon wrote:UNVOTE: I'd prefer not to get a wagon rolling quite that hard in the RVS, thanks
When wagons develop organically early they can give good information. Why did you purposely defuse it?-
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Why did you troll at all? I don't recall seeing that from you. Is it something you've done before? If not...why now?In post 38, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay I'm done trolling.-
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But it wasn't a good way with Gamma?In post 43, Phillammon wrote:No, I'm voting them because they are refusing to volunteer information that'll help me form a read on them, and applying pressure is a good way toforcethem to volunteer information that'll help me form a read on them.-
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Why? OMGUS?In post 45, Phillammon wrote:Sakura leaning scum-
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Does that implicate James to you? I.e. do you read their interactions as TvT or TvS?In post 84, implosion wrote:So on the last page Phil comes off as very town. E.g., 62-64 is a good reaction.-
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I don't like the way you declare that your own arguments are valid, but that's a playstyle issue. Regarding Phil unvoting a couple posts previously: I'm always pinged when someone bothers to unvote this early in the game.In post 103, James Brafin wrote:And now I’ve made clear the validity of my points, he backs off.
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I get the feeling that Gamma is intentionally experimenting with new playstyles.In post 107, Phillammon wrote:Can't say I'm familiar with Gamma's meta, no.-
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IMO it's NAI, and I didn't want someone else to steal my punchline.In post 113, Dry-fit wrote:In other news I wish Persivul didn't spill the beans so soon about our Innocent Child. Should of let more information and hilarity ensue.-
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Yeah, I think we're all familiar with IIoA. Don't like the way you're phrasing it here like it's some big new discovery. Plus it was still RVS.In post 118, Chemist1422 wrote:This post is wolfy because it contributes literally nothing to the game while trying to appear like it does-
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I was in fuck-off mode yesterday. Was more interested in trolling libs in the Trump thread than actually thinking.In post 135, James Brafin wrote:Chemist is pinging me. So is Pers, who doesn't seem toe really be adding anything to the gamestate-
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Chemist has been like that a lot lately. Probably not AI, but defintiely doesn't help things.In post 138, James Brafin wrote:That seems very passive-aggressive and drift-y to me, like he doesn't give a flip. I don't like that.
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Ouch. Coming right after a VC showing Phil as the leading wagon, this is really bad.In post 151, Thespio wrote:So Phillammom, you seem odd... your ISO isnt the best-
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Your attempt to derail is noted.In post 244, Chemist1422 wrote:I don't think Thespio's ISO justifies this flash wagon
It's not good but nothing worse than nullscum on their last post-
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In post 249, Gamma Emerald wrote:Can anyone actually articulate what is wrong with 151
You articulated it yourself. But for some reason, you see it in Phil, but claim not to see the same thing in Thespio.In post 254, Gamma Emerald wrote:
This post is scummy, is following along with a popular sentiment mindlessly like a #metoo postIn post 253, Phillammon wrote:I feel like it's just poor timing and a genuine read, not sure it is actually a problem
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Because GE also has some good stuff in his ISO. Overall I have him as null or a slight town lean.In post 260, Phillammon wrote:EBWOP: Right, the actual question. Why Thespio over GE, after that observation?
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That's not what he said. I went out of my way to rub him the wrong way to test that. He didn't push me because he figured I was trolling him rather than really having toxic intent. I think he was legitimately saying that he didn't want to be in a game with truly toxic players.In post 304, Thespio wrote:No, Im against someone saying "If you rub me the wrong way Im gonna lynch you" Do you disagree?-
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In my experience, town misses mod info like that all the time. I think it's NAI. But, someone else (forget who right now) said the same thing so I might try that next time.In post 397, Formerfish wrote:This you could have drug out a bit. I would have just said that if you couldnt see how skell was obvtown then you should case him and then let people hang themselves. It can backfire too, jingle cased himself once in a game and called his pred scum, he wasnt. We won the game, nbd.
BTW your entrance is lookin' tahn 'nat-
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That's what I think too. So, what do you make of Implosion saying "Most of the things he’s doing are fakeable"?In post 500, James Brafin wrote:So the Fish is prob town here. I don’t think scum has that level of faked scumhunting, posted thought process, and detail.
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I didn't go at them hard. No push, no votes based on it. Didn't let it go on, as you noted yourself. So. why do you portray me as going after them hard? The single word "fucking"?In post 505, Formerfish wrote: If you think that town misses info like that, and it's NAI, why did you go at the people who missed the info so hard?
Yes. Should be obvious to anyone who's lived in Pittsburgh for more than a month or so.And I'm not getting the slang at the end of your post there. It's that a nod to me living in Pittsburgh?
I'll have to check state mottoes for theI should tell everyone i was raised in an actually decent state not here.I have a stick up my assstate. Pretty sure that's where you're from.-
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So, you knowingly scum read people for playstyle differences, and can't change.In post 514, Formerfish wrote:I mean partly, also because you got involved at all. I never understand why town gets involved in things like that. Last game I played one player did a fakehammer gambit, and another player stepped in the middle of it and fucked it up. They both ended up being town, but that act led me to scumread the guy breaking it up. He couldnt give a good reason for getting involved and thats an issue for me.
LMAO - it's not recognizable...yet you recognized it.Ive lived in Pittsburgh for 6 years and what you said is not recognizable to any of the tribes as native slang. Were you trying to go for an n'at?
No Pittsburgher would recognize tahn for town?That was close, but maybe your Yinzer slang proficiency is lacking, along with some other qualities you are clearly exhibiting a deficiency in.
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Not people, person.Sounds like we might be from the same homestate if you think i have a stick up my ass. You have been the one intentionally trying to rile people up.
As noted, I wanted to see if his declaration on toxicity was really an excuse to vote anyone for any uncivil behavior. It worked.To what end? Whats your goal?
Two words - first one isMake on of us angry and hope that we say something scummy enough for you to latch onto and you can easily slip into a tunnel that isnt going to go anywhere but allow you to act busy cause you are so focused on that one person everyone else has as townish, but you, you know youve found a deep wolf...
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^ This.In post 520, implosion wrote:You seem to have an obstinate view of how town members act, that is based on how you act as town. And yet when you see examples of town members acting in different ways, you don't update your internal model of how they act; you just cast those examples as aberrations. You don't understand why town gets involved in things like that, but... empirically, they do. Similarly, town are empirically sometimes extremely sure of themselves (though to clarify, that surety in that quote from me was sarcastic), yet you still find things like that suspicious.-
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Most people aren't saying whether they agree with your reads or not.In post 526, Formerfish wrote:Pers is making this all personal and isnt saying whether he agrees with my reads or not and why.
Here's where we're butting heads:
You bust in and want to have control over the game.I would care as either alignment because that means that I no longerhave control over the gameat all and dont trust the living to listen to the dead to win us the game.
I naturally dislike/distrust people who want to be town leader. If they're scum and they succeed, it's usually game over for town. While you seem townie enough, you're exactly the kind of player I'd investigate. But, I'm unusual in that respect. Most people investigate obv scummy players who are going to get lynched anyway.-
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Which makes it impossible to reasonably analyze your ISO for most players.In post 616, Formerfish wrote:Thats nothing, last newbie i finished at 1500+ posts.-
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Like: Skygazer, James, SakuraIn post 651, Formerfish wrote:Pers, what are your reads so far?
Don't like: Thespio, Phil
Drew: probably more good than bad in his ISO, but enough bad that I don't like him yet
Gamma: without meta would seem OK, but he's playing differently than he did earlier in the year (when he basically didn't do anything as either alignment) and I don't like that he denied my point that he's experimenting with playstyles, which I think is true
Chemist: sick of him joining games and not doing anything. Good investigation target.
Gobbledy: nothing to go on yet.
Which brings us to:
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Not really. More like this, with no particular order within groups::In post 654, Formerfish wrote:That about right?
{Skygazer, James, Sakura}
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This. Sometimes scum are just lurky scum.In post 782, James Brafin wrote:Thespio has yet to generate any content. Still motioning for a Thespio lynch.-
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Pretty huge misrep there.In post 787, Thespio wrote:Yeah I had a feeling we wouldnt get along seeing as you are a policy lyncher not a content lyncher.-
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No, don't. Or do, but keep up the notes as well. I'm digging them. In fact:In post 1018, Sakura Hana wrote:I can talk normally too.
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As suggested above, because I think Sak's notes posts on Drew are pretty damning. What do you think of those posts?In post 1059, gobbledygook wrote:
Why vote Drew?In post 1052, Persivul wrote:
No, don't. Or do, but keep up the notes as well. I'm digging them. In fact:In post 1018, Sakura Hana wrote:I can talk normally too.
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It's very obvious from the posts themselves. Do you really want me to repeat them?In post 1070, Doctor Drew wrote:What exactly is pretty damning about it.-
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IOW, you've demonstrated that you're able to respond to them without me repeating them.In post 1076, Doctor Drew wrote:Yes, because I basically just explained away one of Sakuras reasons to vote me.
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p-editIn post 1075, Doctor Drew wrote:Look at the time stamps of 1011 and 1012. How could I respond to a vote that was being placed as I was writing a post.-
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I would have preferred that he addressed Sak's notes posts directly, rather than asking me why they're damning. Asking questions with obvious answers is something scum do to appear to be addressing issues. I mean come on, do you have any problem seeing what's damning about these?In post 1084, gobbledygook wrote:What? How would you have preferred Drew to address your vote?In post 979, Sakura Hana wrote:Note:Doctor drew sheeps without asking why, or is possible he saw my second post and didnt bother askingIn post 1005, Sakura Hana wrote:Note:Drew found it easy to jump into the wagon and is now trying to find a reason to unvote-
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No. According to me, when I hit the submit button and someone had posted while I was typing, the system automatically goes to the new posts and doesn't submit. No happenstance at all.In post 1087, Doctor Drew wrote:So if I am hearing you correctly, according to you, I had the reply screen up just by happenstance and saw Fish vote me, after I hit reply presumably from something else I was going to post, and was able to erase all that and then make the post I made. All in less then a minute.-
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I hate to make excuses, but:
- I just had a lylo game finish
- The game I'm modding just ended phase
- I'm going camping later today and won't be back until sometime Sunday
I have every intention of catching up when I get back and participating live well before end of phase. Thanks!
mod: VLA until Sun 8.4
Noted.
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Yes, the issues are obvious, which is why his request for me to explain them was rejected.In post 1098, gobbledygook wrote:Persivul, to answer you, I do not have an issue seeing the problems with Drew’s votes.-
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Fuck yeah fish, why are you misrepping him like that? Why would you think "I reckon that I need to" meant that he was actually going to? [/sarcasm]In post 1149, Rick Dalton wrote:I specifically said I reckon that I need to, not that I was going to.-
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In post 1159, Rick Dalton wrote:Maybe it will come in a rather unorthodox way, but I think it’s fair to assume I’m anything but orthodox.Terriblymysterious.-
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Well word on the street is that he'sIn post 1189, Sakura Hana wrote:Speaking of Rick, all he's done so far is say that he reckons he'd catch up, but wont necessarily do it, and argue with fish semantics, and saying he'll do something, but not do anything in the end.anythingbut orthodox. Maybe he's doing stuff that's just not apparent to common folk.-
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Ew...TMI.In post 1477, Spangled wrote:@mod
Sicker than any dog you care to name with a diarrhea-and-vomit bug; consider me V/LA indefinitely. If I merit a prod and a half, feel free to rep me out.
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Plus voting the one who hasn't been posting for several days isn't a great look.In post 1483, Sakura Hana wrote:Seems like the "people you could see yourself voting" and "scum is in here" is people that scumread you or is voting you.-
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Since this was yesterday I assume it's yet another fake hammer which doesn't provide any useful information.
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This play is so overused it's pretty much worthless.In post 1514, gobbledygook wrote:This seems awfully orchestrated.
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