Open 765: Haunted Village (Over)

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #51 (isolation #0) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:16 am

End of one game beginning of another. One town PP one scum PP.
Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
VOTE: Penguin Power

-Platinum

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #53 (isolation #1) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:23 am

In post 51, Platinum Phoenix wrote:End of one game beginning of another. One town PP one scum PP.
Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
VOTE: Penguin Power

-Platinum

This was actually by Phoenix. I'm just so in sync with my partner I can't tell us apart any more.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #155 (isolation #2) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:37 pm

I don't think this role guessing is alignment indicative in any way. Scum could easily emulate it, it's just maths.

VOTE: benhalkum

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #156 (isolation #3) » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:38 pm

In post 155, Platinum Phoenix wrote:I don't think this role guessing is alignment indicative in any way. Scum could easily emulate it, it's just maths.

VOTE: benhalkum

- phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #203 (isolation #4) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:35 am

[youtube]v=QGYU47PqUtY[/youtube]

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #204 (isolation #5) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:35 am

There we go.

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #205 (isolation #6) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:36 am

In post 17, benhalkum wrote:I find it weird we're getting a day one bandwagon going so early, especially kicked off by the person being voted. A jester role maybe? Maybe mafia mates teaming up to add confusion?

:shrugs:

I actually an interested to see how this plays out!

UNVOTE: Hoptic

VOTE: Vorkuta

Did you read the setup

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #207 (isolation #7) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:40 am

In post 28, benhalkum wrote:
In post 22, Hoptic wrote:LOOK i know i said thAT if we could lolhammer then ME or my partner would do so we would, but I'M concerned that's SO likely to hit TOWN that we probably won't do that. That would be bad for town and I want to avoid anything that would hurt town.

I'm going to be honest, I haven't read much of the setup very well since only the mafia really need to , but I don't think there's a Jester in it.
---
VOTE: Ben
Mafia definitely need to read the setup and (some) town can get away with not doing it. Some possibility that he’s trying to townslip here (or it could just be a townslip)
-Hop
Except until you mentioned it, I didn't even realize there was a set up link. Had to go looking for it.

Either way, it is odd that you specifically mentioned mafia and checking out the setup as a requirement. I mean, a couple hours in on day one of day one, its plausible there's a few of us who hadn't yet. Also, if you haven't really read much of the set up, why would you base the opinion there's not a jester or jester-like role? Seems like something you'd confirm before replying back to me. I mean, you're right, there doesn't seem to be. But your so sure post after admitting you haven't looked into it, tells me
you're lying somewhere
.

UNVOTE: Vorkuta

VOTE: Hoptic

You are taking Hoptic way too seriously

Do I like what he's doing? Not really. But did it merit a scumread at that point?

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #208 (isolation #8) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:41 am

In post 23, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 22, Hoptic wrote:Mafia definitely need to read the setup and (some) town can get away with not doing it. Some possibility that he’s trying to townslip here (or it could just be a townslip)
-Hop
Ok this logic is really shitty and promotes bad play.
VOTE: Hoptic

rude

i havent read the setup

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #209 (isolation #9) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:42 am

In post 206, PenguinPower wrote:Can't wait until October

Honestly same

the songs that've been revealed are already fire

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #210 (isolation #10) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:55 am

In post 99, Unstuck in Time wrote:I'm reading Vorkuta town for the setup spec.

Little scum lean on Tris for sort of discouraging it. Had that on NaCl, but quickly came back around after realizing the scum knew the roles already. That also comes out as a slight townslip, but I don't put much weight at all into slips.

Also don't like how quick that wagon built up on Vorkuta.

BP

Don't read him town for the setup spec - he's done it as both alignments.

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #211 (isolation #11) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:56 am

Zombie's not a great role for scum

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #212 (isolation #12) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:57 am

i dont have any reason to TR pp right now.

btw all of this page was chennis and i forgot which half of platinum phoenix i am

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #213 (isolation #13) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:58 am

In post 102, RCEnigma wrote:If anything the votes are townie attempts to move out of rvs. Lolhammer isn't a big deal, first vote is Vork himself he can just unvote.

I completely disagree

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #214 (isolation #14) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:58 am

In post 104, PenguinPower wrote:Because making wagons and analyzing what happens is how you generate info and get out of RVS.

I am a strong proponent of wagons.

See above

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #215 (isolation #15) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:59 am

talking about getting out of RVS and wagons generating info when people call your wagons shit ironically generates less info.

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #217 (isolation #16) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:00 am

In post 113, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 64, Vorkuta wrote:First impressions
-I don't like how Norskee is using appeal to his newbiness. Not a fan. My very vast experience with this (hi penguin, please confirm) makes me want to say that this is scummy.
-Ben is a returning vet player and my gut says that he'd be more cautions as scum. Like I think he'd actually tread water carefully and keep his pulse on the game instead of ^, so he can have a town point or two.
-Penguin: town greeting, town reaction to self-vote (ok fine, NAI at worst, town at best)
-RCE: 0/10 would not greet again
-Hoptic:.... the head ^ sucks. Like what even is this preemtive, 'sorry I'm about to lose town-cred'
+Penguin: town for actually wanting to push the game. Reads just like in previous game with him
tris: acceptable townie level of skepticism/cynicism
RCE: setup spec'd with me. gets points
UiT: #99 gets a town lean for the openness

this is scummy (especially the PP read and Hoptic read)

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #218 (isolation #17) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:00 am

In post 216, PenguinPower wrote:Why are you so bad?

no u

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #221 (isolation #18) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:01 am

In post 80, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 77, tris wrote:What are you hoping to get out of the speculation?

score free and low hanging town points

In post 73, Vorkuta wrote:HOWEVER, I want to know that if we get to the point when we have a play like "vig xxx or cop yyyy" we can actually pull it off.
+
There's a zombie in play. We can't get rid of it by lynching it, and if we have absolutely no tools to get rid of them it would be optimal to enter LyLo ASAP

this isn't scummy it's just oversight

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #222 (isolation #19) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:01 am

show work.

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #229 (isolation #20) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:09 am

In post 224, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 208, Platinum Phoenix wrote:i havent read the setup
you're welcome, I've been chewing it down for you
In post 210, Platinum Phoenix wrote: Don't read him town for the setup spec - he's done it as both alignments.
Reading me based on TwoFoldC9++
In post 211, Platinum Phoenix wrote:Zombie's not a great role for scum
So how do we get rid of it
In post 213, Platinum Phoenix wrote:I completely disagree
I too, disagree with my ability to unvote off of my own wagon.

Yeah... since when were wagons a bad thing?

I think it's obvious what part of the RCE post I was referring to.

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #230 (isolation #21) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:10 am

townread on norwegian

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #231 (isolation #22) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:11 am

In post 52, Unstuck in Time wrote:
In post 49, PenguinPower wrote:...They said as they create an equivalent counterwagon...

I'm gonna drop the ball here.

I do indeed think Vorkuta is town and benhalkum is scum. However this being this early in the phase means that the reads have low confidence.

-TL

In post 99, Unstuck in Time wrote:I'm reading Vorkuta town for the setup spec.

Little scum lean on Tris for sort of discouraging it. Had that on NaCl, but quickly came back around after realizing the scum knew the roles already. That also comes out as a slight townslip, but I don't put much weight at all into slips.

Also don't like how quick that wagon built up on Vorkuta.

BP

Feels a little fake considering CogDis

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #232 (isolation #23) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:12 am

I don't townread gamma yet

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #246 (isolation #24) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:47 am

In post 245, Elements wrote:
In post 188, Hoptic wrote: Townreading Vortuka for setup spec. Though, having thought about it again, I don't think that alone is a good reason.
The way Vorkuta discusses it and the tone he uses is towny for me. But the act itself of discussing the setup is NAI.
Scum could certainly use it to pick up free town points while also fishing for town PRs based on how people contribute to the discussion.
-Hectic
This seems like an excuse to town read Vorkuta. The "two" reasons you've given to townread them are the same - "way" and "tone".

- Phoenix

this hydra malarkey is going rlly well for me...

-Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #271 (isolation #25) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:45 am

In post 260, PenguinPower wrote:Gamma is likely town sooo.....no.

Why

-Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #272 (isolation #26) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:46 am

In post 262, Hoptic wrote:Yeah, I townread him too so far.

-Hectic

why

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #276 (isolation #27) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:48 am

In post 274, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 271, Platinum Phoenix wrote:Why
Solvey, active, pushing reads, developing reads, engaged in nuanced back-and-forth....

Wasn't asking you

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #283 (isolation #28) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:57 am

In what way is 253 a point that needs answering?
- Phoenix

Pedit - written this now so am going to post it anyway

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #285 (isolation #29) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:58 am

254 isn't a point, just an expression of confusion
[phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #286 (isolation #30) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:00 am

In post 284, Vorkuta wrote:I want to see what damage control the other hydra head comes up with before I deliver a verdict on hoptic

My head is slightly town leaning them from meta atm
- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #301 (isolation #31) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:11 am

Everything signed Phoenix is by me. Everything else is by Platinum unless otherwise stated.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #311 (isolation #32) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:52 am

In post 308, Hoptic wrote:
In post 245, Elements wrote:
In post 188, Hoptic wrote: Townreading Vortuka for setup spec. Though, having thought about it again, I don't think that alone is a good reason.
The way Vorkuta discusses it and the tone he uses is towny for me. But the act itself of discussing the setup is NAI.
Scum could certainly use it to pick up free town points while also fishing for town PRs based on how people contribute to the discussion.
-Hectic
This seems like an excuse to town read Vorkuta. The "two" reasons you've given to townread them are the same - "way" and "tone".

- Phoenix
(Why) did you take that as a townread? It had 'NAI' 'townreading due to this... but it's probably not a good reason for a townread' and 'scum could do it to' in with the read. Felt more neutral/fence sitty than a townread to me.

Correct me if I'm wrong here - the reason I took it as a townread is the bit where he said "townreading Vorkuta". Then the followup where he said he townleans them.
- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #315 (isolation #33) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:56 am

In post 312, Hoptic wrote:That was a response to the question above it. So "I'm inclined to agree with his townread on Vorkuta for setup spec."

-Hectic

If you're inclined to agree with a town read, surely that means you town read them....

-Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #318 (isolation #34) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:00 am

In post 317, Hoptic wrote: To clarify, Phoenix isn't elements is it?

-Hop

Phoenix is Elements, or is it Elements is Phoenix?

- Phoenix/Elements

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #320 (isolation #35) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:03 am

I don't think I'm dead

- Phoenix's ghost

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #321 (isolation #36) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:05 am

Hectic, why are you now commenting on this now. You seemed perfectly content after your reply to me the first time and now it's very evident it was a case of misinterpreted context.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #325 (isolation #37) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:10 am

In post 322, Hoptic wrote: Ok, that's odder than I thought. How come you haven't mention that Hectic memes a lot - or even weighed into the discussion btw Hectic/Gamma/others - when there's been 5 pages over conflict over it? I'm assuming you've got some good reads out of the interactions if waiting for reads is your explination here.
-Hop

286 I mentioned town leaning you from Hectic's meta.
I've only been skimming the 6 odd pages that appear in between my activeness so I haven't delved into the depths of that conflict.
I don't take much stock in day 1 reads until late game.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #326 (isolation #38) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:12 am

I commented on Hectic being a memey player in our PT
- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #337 (isolation #39) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:23 am

In post 328, Hoptic wrote: So you didn't feel it was derailing conversation or creating conflicted between town?
-Hop

If I wasn't playing there would only be you to vouch for Hectic's play style. So the conflict would have ensued as is anyway. You would have accepted its existence without comment and let it play out to its conclusion and presumably gained some form of read based on it. My inclusion in the game does not effect the existence of this conflict unless I choose to vouch for Hectic's play style.
Unless Hectic is memeing intentionally because I am playing - 100% not the case - then I don't see it derailing anything. Especially given the length of this day phase.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #338 (isolation #40) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:25 am

In post 334, RCEnigma wrote:Like yeah they both want to be lynched but only one serves their wincon.

i don't think zombie wants to be lynched

town still needs to identify the zombie to win

- platinum

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #340 (isolation #41) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:28 am

In post 339, Elements wrote:
In post 338, Platinum Phoenix wrote:
In post 334, RCEnigma wrote:Like yeah they both want to be lynched but only one serves their wincon.
i don't think zombie wants to be lynched

town still needs to identify the zombie to win

- platinum
The Zombie will play more brash and most likely be the scum trying to manipulate the game the most. Hence being the most likely to be caught.

- Platinum

ARRGH!

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #345 (isolation #42) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:36 am

In post 342, Unstuck in Time wrote:
In post 231, Platinum Phoenix wrote:
In post 52, Unstuck in Time wrote:
In post 49, PenguinPower wrote:...They said as they create an equivalent counterwagon...

I'm gonna drop the ball here.

I do indeed think Vorkuta is town and benhalkum is scum. However this being this early in the phase means that the reads have low confidence.

-TL

In post 99, Unstuck in Time wrote:I'm reading Vorkuta town for the setup spec.

Little scum lean on Tris for sort of discouraging it. Had that on NaCl, but quickly came back around after realizing the scum knew the roles already. That also comes out as a slight townslip, but I don't put much weight at all into slips.

Also don't like how quick that wagon built up on Vorkuta.

BP
Feels a little fake considering CogDis
Is this a reference to cognitive dissonance? And if so is it a joke about hydras?

yes, and yes

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #346 (isolation #43) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:36 am

^ chennis

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #347 (isolation #44) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:37 am

This is possibly the worst attempt at hydraing ever....

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #348 (isolation #45) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:38 am

ur bad elements

u cant sign ur posts wrong if u dont even sign ur posts smh

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #349 (isolation #46) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:38 am

In post 346, Platinum Phoenix wrote:^ chennis

At this point it's effectively if it's signed it's me, if it's not signed it's chenn

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #350 (isolation #47) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:38 am

In post 349, Platinum Phoenix wrote:
In post 346, Platinum Phoenix wrote:^ chennis
At this point it's effectively if it's signed it's me, if it's not signed it's chenn

- Phoenix

Can't even get the right

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #351 (isolation #48) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:40 am

In post 348, Platinum Phoenix wrote:ur bad elements

I need to sort myself out

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #367 (isolation #49) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:10 pm

If you don't want people to give you flak for memeing stop memeing

- chennis

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #368 (isolation #50) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:10 pm

And what makes you the arbiter of useful discussion

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #372 (isolation #51) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:24 pm

In post 370, Hoptic wrote:
In post 367, Platinum Phoenix wrote:If you don't want people to give you flak for memeing stop memeing

- chennis
I don't mind receiving flak for it; I've played enough games on this site to know that memeing always garners attention, but Elements has played enough games with me to know that it's NAI. So his lack of concern for discussion being derailed by it is what concerns me.

-Hectic

I don't think it's derailing the conversation from something useful.
I also don't like day 1.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #379 (isolation #52) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:38 pm

In post 374, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 372, Platinum Phoenix wrote:I don't think it's derailing the conversation from something useful.
I also don't like day 1.
This isn't an excuse for not posting what Hectic expected

I don't need an excuse for being unexpected

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #381 (isolation #53) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:44 pm

In post 380, PenguinPower wrote:Wait, is Phoenix chenny or Elly?

elly
- phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #385 (isolation #54) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:47 pm

how am I meant to know what is expected of me?

-Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #392 (isolation #55) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:04 pm

In post 391, chennisden wrote:Nice to know ur townTL

imbad

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #394 (isolation #56) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:06 pm

[quote="In post 393, Elements"][/quote]
...

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #396 (isolation #57) » Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:12 pm

At this point I wish I was doing it deliberately.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #423 (isolation #58) » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:36 am

UiT is rly towny can we stop voting there

- Platinum

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #426 (isolation #59) » Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:22 am

In post 425, Vorkuta wrote:{NosrkEE, fake-PP, Hop}

Ha! How do you like that PP?

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #476 (isolation #60) » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:39 am

Are you just going to keep page topping with that emoji?

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #479 (isolation #61) » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:40 am

VOTE: Vorktua

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #481 (isolation #62) » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:42 am

Why?

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #491 (isolation #63) » Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:46 am

In post 487, Beta Sapphire wrote:VOTE: plat phoe

Is that pronounced "plat pho" or "plat phe"?

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #544 (isolation #64) » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:25 pm

In post 503, Hoptic wrote:Not a massive fan of Beta Saphire.
Would like to hear some thoughts on Vorkuta.
Liking a lot of the active people.

VOTE: Ben

-Hop

towny post

- chennis

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #545 (isolation #65) » Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:28 pm

i dont like Sapphire's progressions and i dont get why my partner voted vork

i particularly dont like the hopkirk and UiT reads because they feel convenient and are probably wrong

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #573 (isolation #66) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:59 am

In post 561, PenguinPower wrote:Yeah - wow - Phoenix is scum.

Why? Where did this come from?

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #575 (isolation #67) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:04 am

What about my head?

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #577 (isolation #68) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:10 am

it is, but reading a hydra off just one head - one page of one head - is incredibly blinkered.
Do you have no read on my head?

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #579 (isolation #69) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:16 am

In post 578, PenguinPower wrote:Hi, it's D1 and I go almost solely of gut, tone, and reaction to my slot on D1.

The most surefire way of finding scum

this interaction with me actually makes it worse.

How?

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #582 (isolation #70) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:20 am

I'm assuming it's your play style to be infuriating and unhelpful going off this and the search

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #594 (isolation #71) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:00 am

In post 588, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 582, Platinum Phoenix wrote:I'm assuming it's your play style to be infuriating and unhelpful going off this
You're not helping your case with comments like that.

And is this the first time you've played
against
with Penguin?

Second for me. But the first one was the search where he was all but conf!town to me day 1. I was also a very different game to this one.

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #595 (isolation #72) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:00 am

In post 594, Platinum Phoenix wrote:
In post 588, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 582, Platinum Phoenix wrote:I'm assuming it's your play style to be infuriating and unhelpful going off this
You're not helping your case with comments like that.

And is this the first time you've played
against
with Penguin?
Second for me. But the first one was the search where he was all but conf!town to me day 1. I was also a very different game to this one.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #596 (isolation #73) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:20 am

UNVOTE: Vorkuta.

Spoiler: thought dump

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #597 (isolation #74) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:20 am

In post 589, PenguinPower wrote:Can't really expound gut except to say that chenny's initial posts strike me as scum him based on the games I've played. Elly's posting is more gut town, but not enough to sway me.

Tone: While I appreciate our mutual enthusiasm for Persona 5 Royal, I don't really like chenny's posts 211-222. Also didn't like post 207

Reaction to my slot: As I already stated, chenny has sufficient games with me to know that post 222 is a useless thing to ask, and I don't like his stance on Vorkuta's early townread on me.

Reading back, I do like Elly more, but this page was bad.

i mean, i think you've misread me almost every time minus search... so

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #601 (isolation #75) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:05 am

In post 600, chennisden wrote:I can also locktown gamma really early usually and I haven't been able to do that

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #606 (isolation #76) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:52 am

actually i spent a large majority of the game calling you town when nobody else was.

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #607 (isolation #77) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:53 am

In post 604, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 600, chennisden wrote:I can also locktown gamma really early usually and I haven't been able to do that

In post 601, Platinum Phoenix wrote:
In post 600, chennisden wrote:I can also locktown gamma really early usually and I haven't been able to do that

Doubtful

Didn't you tunnel me in that newbie game?

this also doesnt sound like town gamma

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #609 (isolation #78) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:02 am

that's because either your read is embarrassingly bad or you're scum

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #613 (isolation #79) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:06 am

In post 611, chennisden wrote:your read on me feels very dubious, penguin

a lot of really good people can't read me over ten posts

the fact that your only reasoning is those ten posts is very concerning esp when my tone has been lining up with my town tone pretty much all the time

In post 612, chennisden wrote:your interactions with gamma are also bad

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #615 (isolation #80) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:07 am

scum me also would've never commented on the slot that has the most influence.

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #619 (isolation #81) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:08 am

In post 10, PenguinPower wrote:Who are all of these people?

VOTE: Gamma

In post 404, PenguinPower wrote:Oh, Gamma, you've pressed a button that you know not what it does.

In post 406, PenguinPower wrote:I just think if you start with hydras...you know what his next step would be...right?

In post 409, PenguinPower wrote:Are we not talking about well-established, old guard meta?

In post 411, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 410, Gamma Emerald wrote:The hydra hate yes, what I assume you are calling the next step, I'm not sure.
Besides being actually stated in his queue thread
Spoiler:
In post 2, Untrod Tripod wrote:have some really cool ideas for how you can run a mafia game based around your favorite anime. This is a regrettable life choice, but I'm not here to judge.
...

viewtopic.php?p=10569735#p10569735
viewtopic.php?p=10009647#p10009647

In post 486, PenguinPower wrote:Also, 21 hours 30 minutes, Gamma.

this banter feels fake and is a very easy way for him to generate content without info

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #621 (isolation #82) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:09 am

In post 618, PenguinPower wrote:
In post 615, Platinum Phoenix wrote:scum me also would've never commented on the slot that has the most influence.
Which slot?

Also, please self-meta more.

obviously yours

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #623 (isolation #83) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:11 am

considering how much credence people give your reads while your slot is probably one of the emptiest?

yes, you have a lot of influence in this game

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #626 (isolation #84) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:12 am

PP if you're town you should notice a lot of people's townreads on you are as empty as your wine at the end of the gif

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #629 (isolation #85) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:14 am

if you think your read on me means shit you should stop playing the game.

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #632 (isolation #86) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:16 am

i'm talking about actually being

right

here

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #634 (isolation #87) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:16 am

penguin the only time you've read me right is search, which was bastard

you misread me in 2076 and etc etc etc

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #635 (isolation #88) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:17 am

it is not early d1 anymore pp, stop using that as an excuse

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #638 (isolation #89) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:18 am

your tunnelvision is disgusting

here's a couple of things that you might actually want to read:

- beta sapphire slot
- benhalkum's wagon
- the sapphire/RCE interaction

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #639 (isolation #90) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:19 am

2-3 days is enough time to get some good reads

there's enough content to do that PP

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #642 (isolation #91) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:20 am

In post 638, Platinum Phoenix wrote:your tunnelvision is disgusting

here's a couple of things that you might actually want to read:

- beta sapphire slot
- benhalkum's wagon
- the sapphire/RCE interaction

oh and btw to provide answers to my own question:

bs slot: did not like their early interactions but are probably town given later stuff
benhalkum wagon: really convenient place for scum to votepark while they wait for town to decide their mislynch for them (if scum lynch seems eminent, push the benhalkum wagon)
sapphire/rce interaction: sapphire while

maybe

shitvoting was genuine and didn't have a lot of scum motivation to do that

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #644 (isolation #92) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:22 am

i used to be a lurker last time we played together and i powerplay more often as both alignments now

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #646 (isolation #93) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:24 am

i mean - it's an easily verifiable claim.

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #648 (isolation #94) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:26 am

why are you reading gamma town, tris

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #651 (isolation #95) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:30 am

In post 650, chennisden wrote:so you're only really TRing gamma for hoptic

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #652 (isolation #96) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:30 am

your TR on penguin also feels convenient

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #653 (isolation #97) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:30 am

to borrow vorkuta's wording you're playing pretty politically right now

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #659 (isolation #98) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:40 am

You aren't supposed to do that Norwegian

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #661 (isolation #99) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:41 am

List mod PP cant do shit because you can't take listmod action over a game ur in

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #663 (isolation #100) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:42 am

But yeah don't do that. You're allowed to cite meta from a game once it's done but not when it's still ongoing

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #668 (isolation #101) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:45 am

So wow I'm not allowed to have a read on you Gamma, nice to know

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #672 (isolation #102) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:47 am

this is wrt the pp slot

can you please read

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #677 (isolation #103) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:48 am

no it doesnt

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #691 (isolation #104) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:17 am

the zombie aint a huge issue yeah

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #693 (isolation #105) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:23 am

im inclined to agree

mafia is really stupid for choosing such a shitty PR

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #694 (isolation #106) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:31 am

In post 681, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 639, Platinum Phoenix wrote:2-3 days is enough time to get some good reads

there's enough content to do that PP
Actually there's not quite the level of content I remembered from PP. There's still content though.
@PP when you get back could you post a read list? Don't need explanation, just all your reads as of now.

towny

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #696 (isolation #107) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:50 am

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #697 (isolation #108) » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:50 am

I dont even think ur town I just thought that post in of itself was towny

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #707 (isolation #109) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:41 am

VOTE: Ben

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #709 (isolation #110) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:59 am

In post 708, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Phoenix. Your post 596 mentions about Ben:
i don't really understand why the wagon is happening and i dont think its great. it's very easy to vote someone because they made a few shitty posts early game about jesters (17 & 28) and haven't had overall great tone. but i don't think the wagon has much substance because at EoD i doubt benhalkum will be lynched. like, a lot of stances wrt this slot feel like "im lazy and ill vote here" rather than "solvey" - a lot of votes on him feel convenient rather than solvey.
Why the sudden change?

That was my other head.
I want to apply pressure to him so he comes back and posts something of substance.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #714 (isolation #111) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:06 am

In post 712, Hoptic wrote:Ben is such a lazy wagon to be parked on right now, he literally hasn't posted any content in 4 days. Looks like an easy scapellama for scum. His lynch gives us basically nothing as well.

-Hectic

Hmm yes, we're definitely voting for lynches right now

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #716 (isolation #112) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:15 am

Most active player currently scum read us. If I tried to start a wagon people would start complaining I'm trying to start a wagon and not vote with us, thus destroying my idea of pressure. Voting for an existing wagon - ben being the only current one - I am applying the pressure I wanted to.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #718 (isolation #113) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:59 am

Does no one find it odd how everyone is scum reading us?
- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:28 am

I think Gamma and PP are both scum.
Could everyone who thinks we're scum please explain why.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:30 am

In post 717, NorwegianboyEE wrote: Your thought process described here is even more scummy than if you'd just vote and start another wagon tbh.

The reason I actually voted Ben was to spark discussion at an otherwise stagnant point in the game. Which worked.
- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:37 am

In post 757, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 756, Platinum Phoenix wrote:Which worked.
Yes... it was your vote that....
What else would you like to take credit for?
Just...

And you ASK us why we think your slot is scummy

I'm massively failing to see your point here.
And you still haven't said why we're scummy

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:50 am

In post 759, Vorkuta wrote: -You're scummy because everything you do is scummy.

Cyclical and stupid point.

The fights you pick, the tone with which you pick the fights, the 360-moonwalk shift in your meta from "chenny-the-lurker" to "chenny-the-powerplayer" is something I want to put back on the shelf with every single post of yours.

I can't comment on Chennis' plays. We're a very dysfunctional hydra.

-Your votes are trash and are on people you have a grudge/ego battle with or low-hanging-fruit that you want to mislynch ASAP.

Can you provide the votes that relate to this because you are wrong.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:52 am

Spoiler:

In post 708, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Phoenix. Your post 596 mentions about Ben:
i don't really understand why the wagon is happening and i dont think its great. it's very easy to vote someone because they made a few shitty posts early game about jesters (17 & 28) and haven't had overall great tone. but i don't think the wagon has much substance because at EoD i doubt benhalkum will be lynched. like, a lot of stances wrt this slot feel like "im lazy and ill vote here" rather than "solvey" - a lot of votes on him feel convenient rather than solvey.
Why the sudden change?

In post 710, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Ah i see.
Vote count?

In post 711, Hoptic wrote:
In post 508, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 507, Hoptic wrote:(I hope)

hec pls confirm kthnx
HA, don't be ridiculous. There's no way I'd spend 4 hours everyday coming up with memes. It's 9 or 10, easily.

Could someone remind me why Chenn is acting scummy this game?

-Hectic

In post 712, Hoptic wrote:Ben is such a lazy wagon to be parked on right now, he literally hasn't posted any content in 4 days. Looks like an easy scapellama for scum. His lynch gives us basically nothing as well.

-Hectic

In post 713, Hoptic wrote:So:

VOTE: Phoenix

-Hectic

In post 715, Hoptic wrote:
In post 709, Platinum Phoenix wrote:
In post 708, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Phoenix. Your post 596 mentions about Ben:
i don't really understand why the wagon is happening and i dont think its great. it's very easy to vote someone because they made a few shitty posts early game about jesters (17 & 28) and haven't had overall great tone. but i don't think the wagon has much substance because at EoD i doubt benhalkum will be lynched. like, a lot of stances wrt this slot feel like "im lazy and ill vote here" rather than "solvey" - a lot of votes on him feel convenient rather than solvey.
Why the sudden change?
That was my other head.
I want to apply pressure to him so he comes back and posts something of substance.

- Phoenix
He's already got 4 votes on him. It may not be a hydraulic press, but I'd argue that's enough pressure already to encourage him to come back. Seems like the thing stopping him from contributing is out-of-game stuff.

Why not vote somewhere else and form another wagon?

-Hectic

In post 717, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 716, Platinum Phoenix wrote:Most active player currently scum read us. If I tried to start a wagon people would start complaining I'm trying to start a wagon and not vote with us, thus destroying my idea of pressure. Voting for an existing wagon - ben being the only current one - I am applying the pressure I wanted to.

- Phoenix
My scum senses are tingling a bit. Your thought process described here is even more scummy than if you'd just vote and start another wagon tbh.

Changing my vote.
VOTE: Platinum Phoenix

In post 761, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 760, Elements wrote:I said I sparked a discussion
you sparked discussion...
your sparked 2 posts and everything else was unrelated

Proof to the contrary

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:02 pm

In post 764, Vorkuta wrote:Or would you prefer the phrasing "every other post you make makes me pop a vein"?

If that's the case you should get some blood pressure medication.

In post 762, Platinum Phoenix wrote:We're a very dysfunctional hydra.
So are hoptic and yet they aren't doing as bad as you are

Our PT is as barren as the Sahara. Hectic and Hopkirk know each others game very well.

In post 763, Platinum Phoenix wrote:Proof to the contrary

#708- 1
#710- such discussion
#711- has nothing
#712- 2
#713- inevitable
#715- 3
#717- not in response to your ben vote
[/quote]
Some discussion is still discussion.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:03 pm

So what your points seem to boil down to are;
- you think we're scum so everything we say sounds scummy
- me saying I generated discussion

Such good reasons to scum read us.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:11 pm

In post 767, Vorkuta wrote:Do you not see how your approach is dishonest at best and scummy at worst?

I do now.
You were scum reading me before any of the Ben stuff so you have yet to give a reason for that other than "everything you do is scummy"

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:12 pm

In post 768, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 759, Vorkuta wrote:-Your playstyle is extremely reactive and it's almost as if you show no interest in solving the game, but rather want to stir the pot and encourage infighting.
You forgot this right here which is quite a significant portion of what you guys have been doing this game.

But sure, let's reductio ad absurdum everything down to 2 measly points.

I think given the fact the 3? most infulencial players in the game - you, pp, gamma - have been scum reading us for most of the game justifies this.

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:21 pm

In post 771, RCEnigma wrote: yelling why aren't you townreading me.

I'm yelling why are you scum reading me. Which is very different.
- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:24 pm

In post 773, RCEnigma wrote:Actually going back and reading through the defense "everyone is scumreading me so I can't be scum" is bullshit when you're voting Ben, whom pretty much everyone is scumreading. I've seen like one post defending him.

Yea, I shouldn't be voting ben I think he's town.
VOTE: gamma
- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:29 pm

In post 775, Vorkuta wrote:Was that before or after you picked fights with them? Genuine question about chronology as it might help- did they scum-read you BECAUSE you were so aggressive, or did you become aggressive and escalate stuff afterwards?

PP fight started as a fun "who's the better PP" then PP started scum reading us then we started getting aggressive.
You and Gamma I think started doubting us and questioning us and it turned into scum reading and fighting at a similar rate.
That's from a quick glace at ISO's and memory
- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:53 pm

In post 781, chennisden wrote:i'm actually not sure why my partner voted ben and i am not happy with that vote. but i think the gamma vote is justified.

- platinum

i don't think i've individually done anything out of my townmeta either

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:55 pm

In post 716, Platinum Phoenix wrote:Most active player currently scum read us. If I tried to start a wagon people would start complaining I'm trying to start a wagon and not vote with us, thus destroying my idea of pressure. Voting for an existing wagon - ben being the only current one - I am applying the pressure I wanted to.

- Phoenix

In post 717, NorwegianboyEE wrote:
In post 716, Platinum Phoenix wrote:Most active player currently scum read us. If I tried to start a wagon people would start complaining I'm trying to start a wagon and not vote with us, thus destroying my idea of pressure. Voting for an existing wagon - ben being the only current one - I am applying the pressure I wanted to.

- Phoenix
i don't like this post my partner made
My scum senses are tingling a bit. Your thought process described here is even more scummy than if you'd just vote and start another wagon tbh.

Changing my vote.
VOTE: Platinum Phoenix

but i like this even less

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:56 pm

In post 754, benhalkum wrote:
In post 753, NaCl wrote:Obviously no no-lynch. Based on setup spec, I don't really think we have the strongest PRs out there, given the scum's choices of Zombie.

Hey, Ben, I'd like to ask something about what you've said before...why did you think there was no set-up page, back in one of your earlier posts?

And also, could you tell me about who you think is scum?
I did not see the spoiler tag initially. The places I've played previously, in the first post there's a storyline type write up that kind of explains things. This being my first game in here in, well, forever and never before really participating, it was a n00b move to not look closer. TBH I was like "So weird not having anything to go off of" until I went back and looked.

As for scum, my thoughts currently is, everyone is suspect until we have more info. lol

dont particularly like this

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:57 pm

In post 711, Hoptic wrote:
In post 508, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 507, Hoptic wrote:(I hope)

hec pls confirm kthnx
HA, don't be ridiculous. There's no way I'd spend 4 hours everyday coming up with memes. It's 9 or 10, easily.

Could someone remind me why Chenn is acting scummy this game?

-Hectic

In post 712, Hoptic wrote:Ben is such a lazy wagon to be parked on right now, he literally hasn't posted any content in 4 days. Looks like an easy scapellama for scum. His lynch gives us basically nothing as well.

-Hectic

In post 713, Hoptic wrote:So:

VOTE: Phoenix

-Hectic

dont like this progression but i think it comes from town

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:57 pm

gamma pp vorky are my candidates for scum

gamma is #1

Platinum Phoenix · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:57 pm

gamma pp vorky are my candidates for scum

gamma is #1

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #791 (isolation #132) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:09 pm

In post 789, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 783, Platinum Phoenix wrote:i don't like this post my partner made
Quote fixed- and come on. You get the SPIRIT of what he was saying even though he didn't use big-boy terminology to get that point across.
In post 784, Platinum Phoenix wrote:dont particularly like this
Neither do I but I've stated my grievances.
However does this come from scum who's come back from a long hiatus?
In post 788, Platinum Phoenix wrote:gamma pp vorky are my candidates for scum

gamma is #1
Man... elements almost might've possibly perhaps worked/politic'd his way back into a null-read.
Then you pull this shit, attack the town!block, and remind us why we SR you guys.

1) saying that elements was getting the slot less scumread with recent play isn't true

2) the townblock member im most problematic with is gamma

but i dont like how the townblock formed and like, the amount of reliability people are chalking up to this "towncore" that imo is shaky is concerning

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #792 (isolation #133) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:10 pm

idk, you should know im not a fan of voting for pressure and like in my solo games i really dont vote. so of course i wouldn't like it

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #793 (isolation #134) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:11 pm

and why is gamma in townblock again?

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #796 (isolation #135) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:25 pm

like

i do think that this isn't an all town push on me but okay

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #797 (isolation #136) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:00 pm

idk

Spoiler: gamma

Spoiler: vorkuta

Spoiler: penguinpower

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #798 (isolation #137) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:02 pm

looking at viewtopic.php?p=10748640#p10748640 from PP's wiki i actually dont see a whole lot of dfference

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #799 (isolation #138) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:03 pm

i guess i'll give you that open 755 is sorta different from this

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #802 (isolation #139) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:21 pm

i think you're approaching our slot and the game in general in good faith which is why i TR you

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #803 (isolation #140) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:25 pm

do you not think it's a bit hypocritical of vorkuta to talk about "convenient votes" when he's voteparking on cj though?

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #805 (isolation #141) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:30 pm

In post 794, Vorkuta wrote: Could you possibly go back and defend your own statements from the perspective of being wrongly-accused by wrong!town?

actually

i think i have a better/more succinct answer

generally when i play town i play very aggressively early game and i prioritize being townread

however i play more conservatively in hydras early game

and a large portion of people are misreading me because a) they're not used to town chennis w/o a shit ton of room to work with and dictating the game and b) i'm not used to playing town without a shit ton of room. because when you're scum you know EXACTLY where to make room for yourself but like if you're town you generally play a bit more conservatively because you can push something bad

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #806 (isolation #142) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:32 pm

like i dunno

i guess ppl remember me more for a) scumgames like Gay dance and b) towngames like well really anything recent minus newbie 1946

this game is much more a newbie 1946/mini normal 2076 situation than a "chennis normal towngame situation"

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #807 (isolation #143) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:32 pm

idk both those games i think i deathtunneled someone wrongly and really bad.

it could be the same here, sure, but idk.

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #808 (isolation #144) » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:33 pm

i think i probably need to reread the game in a new lens

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #851 (isolation #145) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:04 am

I'm not going to fall for your rolefishing.

- platinum

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #852 (isolation #146) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:06 am

Like if PP Gamma and Vork are all town

I think RCEwould be scum

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #853 (isolation #147) » Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:07 am

What you're doing is convenient what you're doing is rolefishing and what you're doing is easy to avoid accountability over

Platinum Phoenix · Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:51 am

In post 872, chennisden wrote:
In post 871, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 845, Vorkuta wrote:What would the core!scum team be doing if Fake-PP was one of them?
I don't want to start a WIFOM war but Zombie is possible
No because zombie doesn't want to get lynched. There's no reason for that because at worst it just makes for a free day of lylo

I actually don't see the benefit of zombie and think it's useless but i digress

In post 875, chennisden wrote:I guess the benefit is that scum can wifom people like norwegian into thinking "hey scu must be bad" and then a good scum comes and says "yeet came here to WIFOM you"

In post 876, chennisden wrote:
In post 873, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Agreed Chennis. Why did mafia choose such a bad PR? I think this is telling. We're not exactly dealing with geniuses here.
Also saying this is kinda weird

Like it kind of feels like trying to salvage the mistake by leading town down this road.

Platinum Phoenix · Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:23 pm

also

UNVOTE: for now as i reread

Platinum Phoenix · Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:21 pm

In post 894, NaCl wrote:1.
In post 692, NorwegianboyEE wrote:If we identify the zombie by lynching him or gaining insight through PR's the information can be used to find his scum teammates and the slot will remain as a guaranteed Lylo lynch. So i don't think it will be a big problem, it actually seems like a bad PR for the mafia to choose. Which leads me to believe that maybe they aren't so intelligent?

In post 693, Platinum Phoenix wrote:im inclined to agree

mafia is really stupid for choosing such a shitty PR

2.
In post 872, chennisden wrote:
In post 871, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 845, Vorkuta wrote:What would the core!scum team be doing if Fake-PP was one of them?
I don't want to start a WIFOM war but Zombie is possible
No because zombie doesn't want to get lynched. There's no reason for that because at worst it just makes for a free day of lylo

I actually don't see the benefit of zombie and think it's useless but i digress

In post 873, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Agreed Chennis. Why did mafia choose such a bad PR? I think this is telling. We're not exactly dealing with geniuses here.

In post 876, chennisden wrote:
In post 873, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Agreed Chennis. Why did mafia choose such a bad PR? I think this is telling. We're not exactly dealing with geniuses here.
Also saying this is kinda weird

Like it kind of feels like trying to salvage the mistake by leading town down this road.

PlatinumPhoenix, why is NorwegianboyEE weird for pretty much saying the same thing you said earlier? Also, I'm kind of puzzled why you two decided to both talk about the exact same topic as a few pages before.

The way he's saying "maybe mafia is just dumb" can feel like he's lambasting himself for choosing Zombie in a way that seems contenty

Platinum Phoenix · Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:31 pm

When did I say that exactly?

Platinum Phoenix · Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:32 pm

I don't even scumread Norwegian, so not sure what your point is?

Platinum Phoenix · Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:35 pm

You're not supposed to ignore scummy things your TRs do just because your TRs do them

Platinum Phoenix · Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:36 pm

693 is objectively scummy so

Platinum Phoenix · Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:47 pm

Yes and town will be forced to re-evaluate their shitty stances

Platinum Phoenix · Post Post #998 (isolation #156) » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:03 am

SS, have you replaced in for someone?
I haven't read anything since my last post yet so I've missed if the mod said
- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:03 am

In post 965, NorwegianboyEE wrote:SS has barely said anything and you scumread him already?

This is something I feel like newbies say a lot.

In post 971, Beta Sapphire wrote:I haven’t discussed this with Mena yet, but Im now against the plat phoe wagon

They way they’re responding to the growing wagon on them is kinda towny imo. They seem unconcerned, defiant even

-o

The way BS is saying this sounds more like town trying using their brain rather than scum trying to get town credit.

In post 986, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 971, Beta Sapphire wrote:They seem unconcerned, defiant even
Don't know if that's how chennis approaches this actually
Like in Newbie 1946 he kinda flipped out at people scumreading him

I could afford to sorta because 1) I was a TPR 2) I knew your scumread on me would end once I ended gay Dance

This is sorta similar to that Starcraft game I played and that might be a decent baseline.

In post 989, RCEnigma wrote:Chen you were in StarCraft with Verb, FL, and A50 right?

Yes.

Platinum Phoenix · Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:04 am

I also play more conservatively in hydras

Platinum Phoenix · Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:25 pm

I think Hoptic/Norwegian's votes on us are probably the worst.

- Plat

Platinum Phoenix · Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:26 pm

PP Felt like he was mad I didn't townread him at the start. I dunno if it strikes me as genuine though

Platinum Phoenix · Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:27 pm

NaCL is pretty towny. UiT continues to be my top townread.

Platinum Phoenix · Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:28 pm

In post 927, NaCl wrote:
In post 926, PenguinPower wrote:What exactly do you think is weak reasoning, and are you tr'ing fakePP?
Hoptic is on the wagon with no reasoning at all, or none that seems clear to me. Also, I was townreading him due to a misunderstanding earlier, so now I actually need to read his posts, ugh.

Norwegian gives a reason and parks his vote, then doesn't really follow up in any way.

Gamma is okay.

I'm not really townreading PlatinumPhoenix, because I don't really see anything from the slot. If anything, I'm feeling like Chennisden's slightly different from the only game I've played with him. I just find the wagon itself to be strange.

In post 929, NaCl wrote:I have a stance on Asgard's vote, which is that I don't think he's putting enough effort behind it. And I didn't mention you because you voted way earlier, aren't quite in the same shift from Ben->fake-PP, and I haven't checked over your reasoning.

Also, I'm not townreading Hoptic anymore. I initially believed the blind thing, and thought that if he was scum he would understand how Zombie works. But I missed the part where he said it was a joke until just earlier. Now I actually need to read his posts rather than putting him in a pile in my mind and not worrying about him.

This kind of stuff shows critical thought.

Platinum Phoenix · Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:28 pm

UiT should not require explanation.

Platinum Phoenix · Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:28 pm

I do think BS is quite solidly towny too.

Platinum Phoenix · Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:30 pm

In post 971, Beta Sapphire wrote:I haven’t discussed this with Mena yet, but Im now against the plat phoe wagon

They way they’re responding to the growing wagon on them is kinda towny imo. They seem unconcerned, defiant even

-o

I think scum here would be screaming "this is obv town what are you doing!!!" and 1) if i got lynched BS would be in a position to lead and 2) if i didnt get lynched that'd be one more person to sheep them on their next vote.

Platinum Phoenix · Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:30 pm

The way ofrhz feels is genuine and not opportunistic.

Platinum Phoenix · Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:55 pm

also the reason i'm not flipping out, gamma, is because

1) contrary to what i said in my scumgame, i dont actually make it a pride issue for me not to be mislynched.

2) it doesn't help for me to flip out.

3) you know full well the reason i had to fucking flip out in 1946.

Platinum Phoenix · Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:25 am

SS how far have you gotten through reading wise?
- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:52 pm

i've recovered from worse as both alignments so the "l-1" thing means nothing when reading me.

Platinum Phoenix · Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:55 pm

In post 1123, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1122, Something_Smart wrote:How is it less towny when it's done at L-1, if it still looks genuine?
What even is this question?

Contribution and gamesolves (and all the good stuff) under no pressure whatsoever vs. good stuff under L-1 pressure where the guy is willing to say anything and everything just to diffuse the wagon.
I can't and won't separate "what" a person is saying from "when" a person is saying it.

Like for example (not relevant to this game... I hope )- I believe that in a 'dead' game-state, scum has no incentive to post.
Thus anyone doing the bare minimum will get town points for doing so. HOWEVER, if the same person, posted the same content, in the middle of a heated discussion, then he won't get as many town points from me.

wrong.

Platinum Phoenix · Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:59 pm

{BS S_S}
{NaCl UiT}

is sort of my TRs rn.

Platinum Phoenix · Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:59 pm

In post 1128, Platinum Phoenix wrote:
In post 1123, Vorkuta wrote:
In post 1122, Something_Smart wrote:How is it less towny when it's done at L-1, if it still looks genuine?
What even is this question?

Contribution and gamesolves (and all the good stuff) under no pressure whatsoever vs. good stuff under L-1 pressure where the guy is willing to say anything and everything just to diffuse the wagon.
I can't and won't separate "what" a person is saying from "when" a person is saying it.

Like for example (not relevant to this game... I hope )- I believe that in a 'dead' game-state, scum has no incentive to post.
Thus anyone doing the bare minimum will get town points for doing so. HOWEVER, if the same person, posted the same content, in the middle of a heated discussion, then he won't get as many town points from me.
wrong.

thats assuming situations never change and, well, they do.

Platinum Phoenix · Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:01 pm

althought, uit, your refusal to think for yourself recently has been bad.

Platinum Phoenix · Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:04 pm

i think vorkuta's last few posts have been his worst btw

Platinum Phoenix · Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:14 pm

no, it's anti-town.

Platinum Phoenix · Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:15 pm

i think both of them should have the finesse to fake a train of thought too, so.

Platinum Phoenix · Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:55 am

In post 1143, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1140, NaCl wrote:As someone who doesn't know most of the people here, who are you talking about?
Well, I was just trying to provide a theory for why scum would take a role that looks pretty bad.

...However, I did have a player in mind as a likely candidate for doing that:
In post 43, Vorkuta wrote:I'm 2-3 as scum so I'm going to go with town because winning feels better
They've been lynched every time I've ever seen them as scum (three times) and never as the last on their team, and they get lynched a fair amount as town, and they are known for weird and inventive scum play. So I could definitely see them insisting on zombie and their teammates obliging.

Is that a subtle way to suggest you think it's vorkuta?

Platinum Phoenix · Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:55 am

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:56 am

If not, who are you talking about?

- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:03 am

So you do think Vorka is scum?
- Phoenix

Platinum Phoenix · Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:43 am

In post 1158, tris wrote:@Phoenix, why did you unvote, and why haven't you revoted? Do you not scumread Gamma anymore?

because gamma posting has gotten better. i havent revoted because i don't have strong enough of a scumread on anyone to vote.

In post 1159, tris wrote:I wish there was a way to ISO one head of a hydra

if it's our hydra, i can help u with that.

Platinum Phoenix · Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:44 am

In post 1160, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 1155, Hoptic wrote:
In post 887, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 853, Platinum Phoenix wrote:What you're doing is convenient what you're doing is rolefishing and what you're doing is easy to avoid accountability over
I don't hard scumread you but none of my preferred wagons are going anywhere. I do however have issue with you trying to intimidate me into an unvote instead of trying to show your perspective.

Everyone is scumreading me isn't a good defense. It's also a weird angle to argue I'm scum if all of your top scumreads are actually town. Break that down for me actually because it seems like you think I'm stranded scum and or paired with new players.

In post 974, RCEnigma wrote:My townblock is me, Gamma, Norwegian, Unstuck.
So who are you scumreading now and why? Where's your read on Phoenix at?
Read through your ISO and there's basically no content. You mentioned that's typical so I'm not treating it as scummy until I have a chance to verify that. What I dislike is that you don't seem to be pushing anyone while kind of being on the Phoenix wagon and your only reads are consensus townreads as town.

Ben is probably town.
NaCL feels concerning to me but I'm struggling to put it into words.

-Hop
I'm still against pretty much all the hydras +Vork. Vork is probably the only one that can take off but if he's scum I'm pretty sure I live the night. Killing me off is a blatant scumclaim. The rest I'll have more ammo on tomorrow, if I get invested in the game I guess.

I just want ohfrz to stop sweet talking me because I think half the Hydra is townish and then there's Menalque.

Norwegian didn't have any support behind him until after I gave that read. And the reasoning wasn't even really about him it was the slots around him. So seeing who swung to townreads on him after that will be interesting.

Faux PP hasn't done enough to swing my vote away, I considered it for a bit but I think a red flip on him can bring other PP into my townblock and the game gets pretty easy from there.

RCE, why are you playing off of "what if" scenarios? If your only reasoning for townbinning PP is because of our slot you should really find a different angle

Platinum Phoenix · Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:44 am

your read on norwegian, for instance, is a better way to spend the rest of this day

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:27 am

i don't think nacl is scum.

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:28 am

In post 1191, NorwegianboyEE wrote:@NaCl
I don't mind lynching Fake-PP.

Was that the answer you wanted?

Anyway i see Vork and some people are switching their vote, but i'm not sure who else i'd switch to so i'm sticking with my hunch.

this reads very poorly to me

he's deliberately being appeasy

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:43 pm

"Everyone's doing it so why can't I" isn't how it works norwegian

- plat

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:05 pm

i know what a tonal player looks like when i see one, since i am one. you're not using tone - you're either faking it or you're pretending to yourself that you're using tone.

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:11 pm

that's exactly how i feel about you.

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:12 pm

your read is not a fucking tone read.

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:14 pm

i've responded directly to a large majority of your actual posts, so you're also completely misrepresenting the situation

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:16 pm

that's not a tonal read, norwegian, that's a content read.

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:22 pm

that's far from my only defense and that's a complete stretch.

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:23 pm

think

WHY do you think this?

because the people you blindly assume are town have been pushing this agenda into your mind

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:24 pm

you're doing scum's dirty work.

who do you think will be turned on immediately if i get lynched?

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:28 pm

In post 887, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 853, Platinum Phoenix wrote:What you're doing is convenient what you're doing is rolefishing and what you're doing is easy to avoid accountability over
I don't hard scumread you but none of my preferred wagons are going anywhere. I do however have issue with you trying to intimidate me into an unvote instead of trying to show your perspective.

Everyone is scumreading me isn't a good defense. It's also a weird angle to argue I'm scum if all of your top scumreads are actually town. Break that down for me actually because it seems like you think I'm stranded scum and or paired with new players.

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:29 pm

In post 773, RCEnigma wrote:Actually going back and reading through the defense "everyone is scumreading me so I can't be scum" is bullshit when you're voting Ben, whom pretty much everyone is scumreading. I've seen like one post defending him.

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:29 pm

i went to "search this topic" and used the keyword "defense."

these are the source posts.

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:30 pm

you do realize what you said sounds exactly like what he said?

meaning (if you're town) - people are getting inside your head?

which makes you a prime mislynch candidate after me?

Platinum Phoenix · Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:32 pm

if you were scum i'd expect you to do some more positioning

and for you to do some mental gymnastics and shift to nacl eventually when this wagon died.

you're not doing that

you feel like you're blindly pushing scum's agenda rather than doing it with purpose.

a lot of townreads on you came from nowhere. do you know where these reads go? these "derptown" reads disappear as soon as it's convenient for scum - last time i was scum i pushed a "derptown" read and it dissolved on its own. the same is happening with you here.