Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

[Dannflor]

There is no actual reason to ask Alisae any questions

This seems uh wrong

Also hi Ank & Krazy I promise not to pull the "hard town read you and then almost lol-lynch you in Lylo..."

probably

[Dannflor]

If Claire is scum she's not making it to endgame

Oh how many people have said this. How many have been wrong too. Don’t worry, pine most likely drafts for entertainment and I’m not an entertaining scum pick considering how good I am at it. I do expect Maria paranoia at one point but it won’t be early. So, logically I didn’t even need to respond to this but It made me laugh so I had to.
Side note Ali I would never stab you. You’re pretty confident in your ability to read me so we should have no worries hopefully

Also I like this post

I don't even understand this post

What did you like about it

[Dannflor]

There is no actual reason to ask Alisae any questions

This seems uh wrong

I am more than happy to debate this if you wanna, but it'll distract from actually playing the game

VOTE: jjh hi

Your stance itself isn't inherently problematic even if I entirely disagree, but your wording is so icky. #162 is such blatant white knighting while basically shutting down early interactions with that slot. Just because Alisae can't die doesn't mean it might not help other players in forming reads to ask the opinion of a town-confirmed slot. Maybe it's an overreaction, but the "it'll distract from actually playing the game" rubs me the wrong way because it's a very easy way to escape responsibility of defending a stance you took, one that I think is very relevant to the game.

It is a rather clumsy way to try and pocket Alisae, but I don't have a reason to think it's outside your scum range.

What do you think of the worst's opening posts? + specifically the wagon that just developed on him

Also I know you think asking Alisae questions is fruitless (no pun intended), do you think anything can be gleaned from interacting with Pine?

Speaking of the worst:

I don't really like pops all that much off p2ish (but I love her as a person <3) but Gamma is still town!Gamma. Ank is somewhere in null/nulltown.

Pops was actually my first town read. Mostly based off her initial case against Firebringer and then sudden backing off 3 posts later. Scum don't usually do that, or if they do it's more thought out than that.

Like Gamma and pops a tiny tiny bit.

I'm curious what brought you from slightly liking Pops to disliking her off Page 2. What exactly pinged you there?

I definitely agree on town!Gamma, mostly based on #194 and #202 and him completely 180ing when I prodded him on MariaR. Again, something I really don't think anyone but the best scum players do with that amount of carefree energy.

What's pinging town!Ank for you?

Also I think Firebringer can be town.

[Dannflor]

The comments on 'scum normally do x' is the shallow part if you need it pointed out.

I think this is just how I approach things early in the day. but w/e

[Dannflor]

My bad on thinking this would distract from playing the game btw because this is good shit

I love you danny boi

and I love you random citizen

[Dannflor]

the worst and jjh are both scummy but the worst is a not-as-good wagon because he's 1. V/LA and 2. I know he has a good enough town game that it's worth not lynching him D1 regardless

also jjh im sad you did not debate me

Ali

Where are you on Gamma Emerald

Because I could vote there

bad bad bad

I think I've correctly read Gamma like... 5? times in a row now? probably actually statistically meaningless but regardless I'm gonna need you to explain your read there

[Dannflor]

I'd be shocked if the scumteam was mostly in the least active players

sometimes I can piece together how you draw game state reads but I'm drawing a blank here

What's signalling you this?

[Dannflor]

fuck you pine that arrow almost hit me

[Dannflor]

yo chennis why is Menalque opportunistic and why is it scummy

[Dannflor]

VOTE: jjh hi

Your stance itself isn't inherently problematic even if I entirely disagree, but your wording is so icky. #162 is such blatant white knighting while basically shutting down early interactions with that slot. Just because Alisae can't die doesn't mean it might not help other players in forming reads to ask the opinion of a town-confirmed slot. Maybe it's an overreaction, but the "it'll distract from actually playing the game" rubs me the wrong way because it's a very easy way to escape responsibility of defending a stance you took, one that I think is very relevant to the game.

It is a rather clumsy way to try and pocket Alisae, but I don't have a reason to think it's outside your scum range.

What do you think of the worst's opening posts? + specifically the wagon that just developed on him

Also I know you think asking Alisae questions is fruitless (no pun intended), do you think anything can be gleaned from interacting with Pine?

There are much better things to be forming reads off. If something is relevant, then Alisae will act on it. The things that are either irrelevant or hardly relevant will still help scum mason hunt, so it's just a bad idea to want that info out there


Generally speaking, I don't like voting the worst early on because he's a cool guy and I like playing with him. I don't think he's scum and I'm not fond of the wagon on him- especially when he's V/LA, lowering its value as an RVS wagon-, but the FB wagon is worse


I think some stuff could be figured out from Pine but I don't think it's worth the effort to actively engage with him. He'll say what he wants to

my b I missed this somehow

okay. I think I agree with you, what I read as attempting to shut down communication rubbed me the wrong way at first

+1 regarding the worst's wagon, I'm not town reading him but I don't think it's a good D1 wagon for a variety of reasons

[Dannflor]

Look
its VERY possible that Pine doesn't sign one message just to fuck with people
let's not forget that thats very in the realm of possibility

except UT just backtracked and said it was signed by Pine

soooooo

just to clarify

did anyone NOT get a letter?

[Dannflor]

VOTE: UntrodTripod

[Dannflor]

he did?
Cool
Still wanna see him play the game and his reads

i would agree

my vote is not a silencer

[Dannflor]

bro come on it was ONE page ago. you need to wait at least like five or six pages before you can lie about things like that

You misunderstood me.

In #667 you say that "you're guessing" the message came from scum and that scum message sender is a funny role. Then in #684 while you claim it wasn't really signed, you quoted it saying "so says Pine long title blah blah blah," which seems like a consistent in everyone's messages. But the thing is, you demonstrate knowledge in that same post that Pine is scum and that means it most likely comes from scum. My problem here is that I feel you should had automatically known it was from scum due to the Pine namedrop but instead you enter with "guys I got this weird message maybe from scum?? that's funny."

Is it nitpicky? Yes.

Is it possible you're town and just didn't read the message closely at first or are wording things extremely awkwardly? Yes. But regardless of this nitpick, your posts have not read genuine to me in the slightest.

I don't think debating whether or not you genuinely scum slipped is going to get you or I or anyone anywhere however.

What are your reads currently? I'm not even asking for specific people, just who has made an impression on you so far? As many or as few as you can summon thoughts about.

==========

The Menalque wagon really weirds me out. Menalque already sticks out like a sore thumb just out of virtue of being one of the only real newbies in this game as far as I can tell. That fact alone makes me think it would be less likely for him to be scum. But on top of that I've just been town reading his tone, and I'm honestly confused by the vehement reactions players are having to him.

@chenn I don't think you ever responded to me regarding that

Idk, he smells like lynch bait, and I'm not only surprised by people in this lobby gunning for that but also how extreme that gunning is, or at least was for a short while

[Dannflor]

I'm town reading FF based off the last few pages. PP is slightly less town but still town.

Ari, I have absolutely no idea what to make of you. What are your non-Mastina reads?

[Dannflor]

I'm getting the impression that Pine is playing in terms of a future day and I found enough people early on sketchy enough to find it hard to believe that they're almost all town

Something is fundamentally off with it and I haven't figured out what it is yet, but I suspect Pine already has an idea for who he's looking to endgame with and is setting them up for it.

oh I wanted to respond to this

I don't necessarily disagree with you

but I do find this assumption very dangerous—if only because this game is so fucking large and lurking scum aren't gonna get punished anywhere near as hard as they might in a smaller game

[Dannflor]

I'm town reading FF based off the last few pages. PP is slightly less town but still town.

Ari, I have absolutely no idea what to make of you. What are your non-Mastina reads?

As I say, still need to read up a lot. But I'm leaning town,in varying degrees and no particular order, on PP, LLD, FB, Chenn, and Pops with lightish scum leans on xof, TW, FF, and UT. jjh is null and the rest I don't have enough yet to say.

Why the scum read on FF?

[Dannflor]

The unvotes on menalque were also... really bad and half-assed

the entire wagon is just weird imo

I don't really know what to make of that yet

[Dannflor]

I don't think having an agenda is necessarily scum-indicative

Do you think he's not genuinely trying to sort you?

[Dannflor]

jjh is null

also why did you specifically name jjh as null instead of lumping him in with all the rest?

[Dannflor]

Because I've read/interacted adjacent to jjh enough that I should have a read forming. I do not however.

Why do you think this is?

is it something about his play or you just haven't thought about it

[Dannflor]

I think my reads are at their best day 1

hey I think the same

I get inside my own head too much later in the game

[Dannflor]

I'm also confused how people glossed over menalque basically throwing my scumread of him under the "she didn't see the town thought process and that makes her scum" when his 'town thought process' was basically "chickadee did the same thing I did except she's scum for it because pine gave her an easy bargain and she accepted it" and completely ignored that if you suddenly show up out of nowhere and do exactly what you just criticize someone else for, it looks sketchy and hypocritical

Except he didn't just do that for everyone that scum read him (eg. MariaR), which makes me think it's not just scum being like "hey ppl who scum read me are doing it for the WRONG REASONS BLARHGHSHEBG" — it was just you

[Dannflor]

How about love?

PB I love you

[Dannflor]

- are mislynch bait so we shouldn't push you

this but unironically

I understand Ank and TW's push now

but the reflexive OMGUS scum reads feel more like newbie thought processes to me than anything else

I will reread Menalque tonight and see if my tone read changes at all

[Dannflor]

oh nvm he's just scum reading Ank

[Dannflor]

Her approach to you here feels a lot more earnest and organic than it did there; either she's scumming well or this is town!Ank. I'm happy to be convinced either way, but I suspect you're maybe voting her for frustrating you--could you have another think about this?

ooh yay I'm town reading the worst now

[Dannflor]

Dann have you played with scum!gazer much?

pedit: two townreads in one day goml

only in Undertale if I remember, where she was much more active

I don't really know how to even try to read her presence in this game

[Dannflor]

Be weary. The fact that he hasnt said a fucking word to me yet is as much of a scum claim as anyone has made so far. Ducky, you cant dodge me. I can smell your fear.

Do you have a specific history with him that would speak to this being a "scum claim" or is that just a general dislike of people who seem to avoid engaging with you

[Dannflor]

Any recommendations of who to start with? If not it'll be the people I didn't list as having a read on in some way yesterday.

jjh

especially since you're saying you should be able to have a read on him by now

[Dannflor]

I get the pr thing I guess but how was asking about the neighborizer shot rolefishing in any way

[Dannflor]

LLD's claim reads genuine to me

I didn't consider Mastina's as serious

these pages are really unpleasant to read but I'll try to unpack some of it later tonight when things are less heated

[Dannflor]

PB you always make me laugh

like not just the "I exhaled a little bit of air out of my nose" thing

actual laughter

you're a good human

[Dannflor]

I was going to start doing things but I feel like I should wait for a different page now

<3 love you PB, you have a big heart and I'll try not to break it no more

I also appreciate all the rest of the players in this game for well, being here and playing and being fun to interact with in many ways

unless you rolled scum, that's a defect of character

[Dannflor]

I'm uncertain why UT fell off everyone's radars.

Like normally if a wagon I'm on doesn't pick up I take that as a clue that maybe my reads are off, but this is the sort of thing I would expect scum to jump on if it were a mislynch, and so far it's only jjh and I pushing it. I think Ank picked up on it momentarily too but talked herself out of it or something.

Like am I crazy here? Aside from the mechanical slip I outlined in #952—which is the part I would think scum would love to jump on if UT is town—UT has practically no other content. His sole other attempt to do something—despite me and Ali and I'm sure others asking him for reads or general feelings—is a random question to Lady Lambdadelta in #830. I

feel

like I shouldn't have to explain why that's a post town just doesn't make. Even taking away the absurdity of the question, why is it to LL right there? It's very clearly asking a random question to a random person for the purposes of looking like they're doing something.

I can excuse inactivity to an extent but not when the little he has done is so bad.

[Dannflor]

I'll also fully admit to skimming the last ~10 or so pages with the Lady Lambdadelta stuff. I want to process it better soon but it's a slog. But a lot of what I saw were people genuinely angry with each other. That doesn't necessarily speak to alignment but if that interaction was mostly or all town than that clusterfuck is the perfect place for scum to stay under the radar and hide in.

I think I'm starting to disagree with Ank that the majority of scum are in the active posters. There are way too many active lurkers and people who I would expect to have some amount of content by now who just do not. I'm looking at you Krazy.

[Dannflor]

I'm sorry but I'm not in the market of voting people because I'm afraid of losing to their scum game

[Dannflor]

Explain?

You voted UT in #680 and then said you'd "let it go" 7 posts later.

[Dannflor]

blah I don't like either of the top wagons

VOTE: Krazy

I'd like to talk about your reads the next time you pop in

[Dannflor]

And just a question, but do you want to talk about the reads krazy has mentioned or get more reads in general from that slot?

as far as I can tell Krazy has mentioned zero (0) that's nada reads on anyone

I would like some form of content from him and I don't really care what that is

[Dannflor]

UT is still my preferred lynch but at the very least I'm not worried about him end gaming

[Dannflor]

Right so I've been known to take AtE that shouldn't be alignment indicative and misread it as town before

I'm trying not to do that here despite my inclination to tone read LL's outrage as such

imo, everything she's done from the beginning of the game has been town motivated. #275 generates content out of almost nothing and is a good way to help move the game out of RVS.

I liked the case on jjh a lot. I felt like i was mindmelding with her at the point in the game because I've been very mixed on jjh and she pointed out a lot of the stuff that had been bothering me

and then it quickly spirals out of hand, you start calling her scum along with others. If I'm being objective the extreme reaction and drama shit that happened isn't really alignment indicative imo so I'll skip past that

and then the last thing is the commuter claim, which, my main thing with is that I just don't know why she suddenly claims that when she does if she's scum—I feel like she'd have better claim prepared if she wanted to be town read specifically for a claim and the timing of it seems off if that was her goal anyways

[Dannflor]

^ in response to greyICE

[Dannflor]

Since this is singleball I'm thinking Mena's town, when he was scum he had a very particular feel to his posts and I'm not getting that here. Thinking of Micc's Pokemon game where I was on my Pikachu account and he replaced into scum.

right okay that's one read

I definitely need more and I think it's unlike Krazy to be this shallow regardless of his activity

[Dannflor]

[Dannflor]

I have Xof!Scum dead to rights here, and you're calling her completely town. Is this a kneejerk reaction protecting a player you don't want to see die for personal reasons? Yes or No.

hm is this what you're talking about?

I read that more as having a very sure scum read and wanting to make sure Ali's defense wasn't for non-game related reasons

if that's not it can you quote the ultimatum for me?

[Dannflor]

ank won't town read me until I claim doctor D2

[Dannflor]

I just read through UT's ISO and he has a higher percentage of helpfilul posts than jjh does.

what are you qualifying as helpful posts

[Dannflor]

also what exactly made you change from "I'm completely null on jjh" to "he's been actively bad"

[Dannflor]

I didn't remember anything AI from him. Now I know why.

but "actively bad" is very different from "I didn't remember anything AI"

[Dannflor]

Oh I see that now, thanks for outlining it

It's definitely not how I would have approached the situation, but I don't think it's scum indicative for LL?

#1388 reads very much like town that had a specific plan/idea in mind and is frustrated that she's not getting what she wants. Again, trying very hard not to read the angry outbursts as AI, but in this instance I'm not sure LL was even trying to get an answer anymore, just lamenting that she didn't get a direct one earlier

If LLD is scum, like you said she should already be able to have a good guess what the answer is from Ali and shut up about it so she can quietly NK him later. like it doesn't really make sense for her to continue prodding about it in such an obvious way?

[Dannflor]

maybe that just boils down to TWTBW

which, I have 0 meta with LL so maybe I'm wrong in assuming these things aren't scum indicative

[Dannflor]

hahaha ali ur cute and I like you

[Dannflor]

yo PB are you scum reading duck

[Dannflor]

that's basically where I'm at re: Krazy, he's a player I really want to read but I haven't been able to yet this game

[Dannflor]

But I want merchant's daughter Krazy, not lurker Krazy

[Dannflor]

I think my vote applies more pressure here either way

VOTE: UT

most of UT's ISO is scumplaining for being unable to catch up, I would like some real content from the replacement

[Dannflor]

Uggh I'll do LLD next then in my Iso diving but srsly I'm not sold.

Have you read anything I said about the topic?

If so, what’s holding you back?

You didn’t like her AtE right, it felt manipulative?

[Dannflor]

I think my vote applies more pressure here either way

VOTE: UT

most of UT's ISO is scumplaining for being unable to catch up, I would like some real content from the replacement

I was just kinda looking at off wagons and the smaller ones first to see which votes I could sway

Dude what the fuck are you doing?

I’m in the same boat as Ari, I’m just like not sold on LLD being scum?

[Dannflor]

ok

VOTE: LLD

[Dannflor]

on the other hand if she is a scum commuter

she commutes anyway

and then we're in the exact same position tomorrow

[Dannflor]

and I really don't wanna waste any more day phases with this shit

[Dannflor]

on the other hand if she is a scum commuter

she commutes anyway

and then we're in the exact same position tomorrow

It only costs a worthless 1-shot neighborizer shot for that to not be a thing

Any signs of ascetism would be powerlynched

It's mostly just that I'm at the point where I'm resigned to LLD vs. whoever taking up the majority of today's real estate. It's going to take an ungodly amount of pulling teeth to get another lynch especially if Alisae is against it (also I don't think we have anywhere near a consensus on what that could be yet), and I'm not too keen on the idea of this clusterfuck potentially extending through D2 based on whatever night shenanigans could happen regarding her role

[Dannflor]

Regardless, that is fucking enty of time tk get another wagon up to a lynch, and Ali has already backed at least 5 names, including having a Vig list!

We have options! Why misrep that??

I'm just frustrated and I'll admit not very motivated right now

tomorrow morning I'm gonna try to do some rereading and get my first holistic read list underway

Hopefully the replacements can also offer some input in the meantime

[Dannflor]

Even if I'm scum I want you to know that is dirty shit and I thought you were above that and apparently you fucking aren't so.

I should be asleep

but um

is this a scum claim

[Dannflor]

Where's Dannflor? I need to speak to him

hi i was asleep

still catching up just reached this

[Dannflor]

@GreyICE

Ank is scumreading me. MariaR is scumreading me. I can't recall a slot that's townreading me. I think jjh is scumreading me iirc.

Hello my name is Dannflor and I town read popsofctown

[Dannflor]

Can you do one of your colored reads list things

I've been putting it off because uh 27 players

but yeah that's my main project for today

you wanted to watch movies?

[Dannflor]

Yeah what do you got

the breakfast club, moana, seven seasons of Buffy

yknow the usual

[Dannflor]

Chickadee, who do you want to lynch

[Dannflor]

Alisae

Dannflor
Firebringer
Lady Lambdadelta
xofelf

ankamius
popsofctown
Pink Ball
the worst
chennisden

Gamma Emerald
MariaR
PenguinPower
Jjh927
mastina

UntrodTripod
Aristophanes
DrippingGoofball
Krazy
GreyICE
Menalque

Skygazer
Formerfish
Iconeum
Katsuki

Pine

what brought PB from a town read to lynch for you

also why aren't you voting there

[Dannflor]

Chickadee's vote is restricted in order to obtain neighborizer fruit from Pine

oh I missed that

Chick why do you want the neighborizer so badly?

[Dannflor]

PB specifically doesn't have a lot of town equity. Have you read their ISO?

I have

I was just wondering how he went from a town pile to a scum pile instead of like, null pile to scum pile

I guess I'm just wondering where the town read came from in the first place

[Dannflor]

I'd like Dann's and mastina's reads list stuff before day ends

Thank you

I'd expect mine within ~12 hours or so

[Dannflor]

hello friends it's buffy time

[Dannflor]

hi gamma I just found your question to me earlier, sorry I missed it

Interesting, which games are your sample size? I haven't formed any opinions on your ability to read me at all so I want to see. I remember we played like a couple normals, and also MD rerun.

I think two normals, Merchant's Daughter, Fire on the Mountain (you replaced out of that one but I still town read you), and I think one more that I'm forgetting right now? It might just be four I dunno

[Dannflor]

can we not end the day yet tho

[Dannflor]

can we not end the day yet tho

what else do you want to do with this day dann?

i have a very important spicy post to make

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

[Dannflor]

is it a spicy reads list?

didn't you want to talk to me about reads? what ever happened to that? what did you think of my last reads list?

I'll get to that in my post dw

it's unfortunate that you're probably scum this game

[Dannflor]

UNVOTE:

??????????????????????????????????

[Dannflor]

I made a promise to Ank

I'll vote LLD when I'm good and ready

Krazy be patient my friend

[Dannflor]

it's better this way

for dramatic effect

[Dannflor]

an hour or two probably

you can keep campaigning for votes idc

but I'm not ready to end the day RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW

just a couple more hours

[Dannflor]

what do you mean by testing pine

I feel like ideally nobody should be bargaining for fruit at all

but that's kind of a hopeless wish

[Dannflor]

It might be fruitless in the end

nice

[Dannflor]

Yeah, that makes sense.

But if you wanna be medium nice pls swoop fruit from PB that slot is waaay scummier than yours you're probtown

I think I agree with this then

[Dannflor]

o shit 24 hours before going into night
I forgot that rule was implimented to avoid quicklynches and to make sure everyone got a chance to post

oh

VOTE: LLD

[Dannflor]

what do you mean by testing pine

I feel like ideally nobody should be bargaining for fruit at all

but that's kind of a hopeless wish

Why?

Was the crunch of the fruit fully explained somewhere? i.e. does it have to be used the same night it's given?

Is he mechanically incentivized to give the power to town? Like is he restricted from exclusively giving it to scum? Or can he simply refuse to give out fruit altogether?

Why do I feel like you're purposefully playing dumb about this

[Dannflor]

Why do I feel like you're purposefully playing dumb about this

If it's so obvious why are you passively complaining about GE making a bargain but not actually objecting to it directly?

i didn't complain about that?

the fruit just probably helps scum more than town

[Dannflor]

I think that dan was also one of the people who couldnt understand what chenny meant when he called Mena opportunistic during that while thing, which pinged me.

yeah

cuz I town read Menalque for that whole thing

[Dannflor]

I'm on board with a Krazy lynch

I'm about half way done with my reads list and it's getting late

I'll probably just color the rest of the names, post it, and then fill in the second half tomorrow before the 24 hours are up

[Dannflor]

hard disagree on Ari, mastina

his defense of LLD was not scum defending scum

[Dannflor]

hard disagree on Ari, mastina

his defense of LLD was not scum defending scum

If LLD is scum and Ari is town thats some bad read making on Aris part.

yeah no shit

but that's why it's so obv town imo

[Dannflor]

pops is town

[Dannflor]

fuck it im posting my reads list unfinished and ill finish it tomorrow, starting with pops

[Dannflor]

Krazy, why is Ankamius one of your strongest town reads?

[Dannflor]

I don't know if I'm gonna get through everyone or if I'm even gonna finish this before the day ends, but here are as close to complete thoughts on as many players as I can remember to write about.

Apologies in advance for the probably massive wall of text incoming. The list isn't going to be ordered in any particular fashion probably, just read the respecting blurb if you wanna know where someone stands. Uhm right I think that's about all the disclaimers I need:

Former Fish

- Town. I don't agree with how "fake" he finds Ari, in fact I don't agree with a ton of what he says. But, what he says is genuine and he's clearly been trying to sort people since the beginning of the game. I don't have many specific posts to point to for this because it's basically his entire ISO. The telling thing here is that his attempts to engage aren't just empty questions, he's trying his best to make sure whoever he's interacting with

understands

him. He follows through on his line of questioning, even when the line is uh... questionable—case in point #1145. I don't have too much more to say about this slot. I'm pretty confident in this read and am comfortable town blocking it.

Lady Lambdadelta

- Let's get this fucking slot out of the way. I don't really know what it's going to flip. I can see it both ways at this point. I've already talked previously about the stuff I saw from LLD that was town motivated. I liked her cases on Xof and jjh respectively. Overall, I just read her tone as town and her actions as pro-town. But with several players bearing down on her as "caught scum," several players that know her far better than me, I have to concede maybe I'm just misreading. Like, Katsuki, GreyICE, and Alisae all seem VERY confident and uh, I don't really think any of them are scum. So yeah I'm bowing to their reads somewhat. Deep down, I would really like to think that LLD doesn't use this kind of AtE as scum—just because of the way I like to play—but several people have said that what's transpired is in no way AI.

So! I give up. I do not have the emotional energy to fight an IC with a fake guilty. At the very least this lynch might provide a little information on slots like Ari and jjh.

Krazy

- Scum. I was only leaning scum until he posted his most recent read list.

Up until #2661, Krazy had only mentioned a clear stance on one player: Menalque. 2.5k posts into the game he finally shares more than one read. Like, I get not being around because busy or whatever. But the stuff Krazy did do is not what I'd expect an inactive Krazy town to do. There is no substance to any of his posts, even the two that talk about Menalque. Half of them are sort of mechanical based questions/spec, which I know is a comfort spot for Krazy, but again, nothing of actual substance there. He just dances around, "oh I guess Pine coulda picked x, oh but Jingle coulda too." Krazy is a strong town player, his posts should not be this shit.

I also don't believe he really scum reads me.

I kinda think Dann actually is an above average equity pick also because of Vengeful Ghosts; he had a night 1 save as a doctor (even though, as far as I know, Pine completely forgot this occurred halfway through the game--so your mileage may vary here). Still Dann and Duck kinda saved the game in the dead thread with him so I think Dann and Duck both have pretty decent pick equity.

This is sorta an example of everything I talked about above. It's this waffling half mechanical based read that actually says nothing.

1. Why does my play as

town

in Vengeful Ghosts affect my chances of getting drafted by Pine. Same goes for Duck. What he's saying doesn't really make any sense here. He's pulling meta and mechanical reasons to assign a plausible scum read to myself to avoid interacting with the actual game. The worst part is is that the meta and mechanical reasons don't actually make sense. I played one game with Pine, barely interacted with him, and was town.

2. There's this weird waffling tone that I feel like is present in a lot of Krazy's posts this game. Like the phrase "Pine completely forgot this occurred halfway through the game---so your mileage may vary here." I don't recall town Krazy being this noncommittal. It's present in his posts about Mena, see "It's not impossible I'm wrong on Mena," in post #1925. It's just this weird timid cautiousness that I do not usually associate with Krazy. Maybe it can be ascribed to his lack of presence, but it doesn't feel town to me.

pedit: also bahahaha this whole "ooh how does fruit work let me bargain for it" the past 10 posts is so fucking fake

Titus

- Null. I have nothing to say here.

DrippingGoofball

- Also not to much to say here. The ISO is self-explanatory. Lynch before endgame. Ideally, this slot should be vigged.

xReckonerx

- I've talked enough about UT previously. I think this has a pretty good chance of being scum based on the case I made before. The replace out and complaining leading up to it seemed more like frustrated scum to me than frustrated town, but maybe that's conf bias talking. Regardless though, I'd like to give Reckoner a chance to get in the game and post some content which I'll reevaluate. I really thought UT was scum but it's a slot I'm okay with leaving alive for now and seeing how it progresses. Check my ISO if you missed my stuff on UT.

Ankamius

- Lean town. I'm still sorta just waiting for Ank to

do

something. I know she has a tendency to wait until D2 or D3 when she has VCs and shit to work with. But I feel like she still tries to analyze the game state and push the game towards a direction that will get her more information later on in D1. Apart from a few game state remarks early on in the day that I prodded her on, there hasn't been too much of what I'd expect in this department. So, it's a cautious town read here, but my gut still says town.

She's thrown her vote around quite a bit but always in ways where I can track where her head is at. She's not trying to look like she's pushing and prodding she's really just doubting herself or moving on to the next thing that gets her attention. You can see that sort of transition from #621, to #680, and #687. She's pushing Menalque (for reasons I disagree with but I'll get to that later), sees UT do something extremely questionable and votes there, gets a half assed explanation but decides it's better for her to go back to Menalque for the time being. There's no show of "hey I'm using my vote to get information," she just does it, and she does a similar sort of thing throughout her ISO.

I also think her specifically asking me for my reads list is her genuine attempt to get a good read on me. She mentioned not being impressed with me so far—which is fine I've definitely taken more of a backseat than I'm used to—but I think she might suspect I'm not fully in the game yet and wants to see what I do when I am. hence colored reads list yay

Firebringer

- Town! idk he just seems town. No, but seriously, this is mostly a gut read. Although it's kinda counter-intuitive I do think directly antagonizing/challenging Alisae is +town equity. Especially since they have a prior relationship scum!fire doesn't really have anything to gain by doing so, when the game would be a lot easier if he tried to pocket Alisae. I also just find myself mindmelding with him on a lot of his reads like on Worstie and Ank and Pops. This isn't a super firm read or one that I think I'll gain by putting a ton of thought into right now. Gut town for now. I'm waiting to see what he does once this LLD thing is over.

Menalque

- Lean town. I do not understand what everyone found so scummy about the fruit thing. Full stop. People are like, "wow menalque is a hypocrite, he scum reads Chicka for something and then does the exact same thing." I feel like if you just look at why he does it, it makes sense. Maybe it's not the best move, but I can see how he thinks it's town motivated. He sees someone he thinks is scummy, and wants to grab the power for himself. It's a selfish move, but town make selfish moves all the time. If scum were to be bargaining for fruit I'd much rather expect it to be Chickadee, not Menalque coming in awkwardly afterward and being like "me too!" It's opportunistic...? sure... but scummy? I don't see the scum agenda very easily, but I can see the town brain that thought that was a good idea. His tone is just so so pure too:

neighbouriser is like my favourite power theoretically and yet I never fucking get it

look how pure and cute he is

look at #2622. he's just a pure little ball of newbish townness

His content isn't amazing and I straight up didn't like the OMGUS on Ank, but I'm mostly reading town here and I don't think it's likely the newest player in the game gets drafted?

Aristophanes

- I actually went back and forth on this slot for quite a while until he came out with the

And LLD should not be lynched

stuff. I don't think I've ever seen someone obv town so hard and so suddenly. Like, if LLD is scum, that's not how a scum buddy defends her, no way, not even Ari. It's not even TWTBW, it's just an ineffective scum strategy. And I doubt the scum team would have let it continue on like that for that long. I think it's glaringly obvious that Ari both felt bad for LLD and thought she could still be an asset, leading to his crusade for her survival. I really don't think this has scum defending scum written anywhere on it. If LLD is town, Ari has no reason to stick his neck out for her.

the worst

- Lean scum. I had a glimmer of town reading the duck for #1059, I really thought the Menalque/Ankamius stuff was dumb and this post was a great effort at trying to deescalate the conflict and get Menalque to rethink it. I was mind melding with the worst and he was doing what I thought was an incredibly pro town thing. But like, that's the only post I can find to town read in his ISO on reread. In fact, the worst reminds me a lot of himself from Undertale Mafia. He had me fooled for a lot of that game, but I think I can see the differences now. I understand he is V/LA, but the contributions he has made have not been good attempt to sort, not the play that I know he's capable of. Instead, he seems a little more focused on building connections and being the voice of reason? They seem like pro-town things but the worst gets way too much mileage out of just being cute and not actually doing anything.

Look at some of his meatiest posts and what he's really saying. #1024 is weird because it states a scum read, but he's justifying it to his scum read. And then when combined with #1059 it feels very off, because it reads like he knows the alignment of Menalque already, despite him saying not 50 posts ago that he was scum reading him. It doesn't actually make sense why he's spending so much energy trying to get his scum read to reconsider an OMGUS vote other than to look like he's being reasonable and town.

#1070 is just, an example of saying a lot of words but saying absolutely nothing.

popsofctown

PenguinPower

Pink Ball

MariaR

Gamma Emerald

chennisden

xofelf

GreyICE

Jjh

Chickadee

Iconeum

Katsuki

[Dannflor]

srry for wall

ill do part 2 tomorrow

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oh ok dann is scum

See like if you were town I'd expect you to engage me on the read I have on you and try to change it

Because I really don't think my read on you is all that unreasonable right now

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ok

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someone play league with me

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where's PB we need another appreciation page

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Yeah except you've literally only ever pushed me when you're scum, Gamma

this doesn't apply to me

so why aren't you engaging me

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LLD should be lynched.

ah

aristophane's bane

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if there's no league games then I'm just going to go back to ranked

im too tired

some other time tho

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pedit: also bahahaha this whole "ooh how does fruit work let me bargain for it" the past 10 posts is so fucking fake

town Dann never writes this lol

I gave you a chance to engage with me in good faith if you’re town

but you seem more intent on dragging me into a mud fight

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I’m sorry my comic knowledge is very limited

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I think it might not flip until the 24 hours are up

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there's some league comics

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is he bound to the terms?

I thought he was just bound to telling the truth about the fruit

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so, I don't think I'm gonna have time to finish my reads list, so I'm just gonna do a real quick few sentence blurb about the rest of my reads so at least the info is out there

I gotta go to work after this but if I get back before the deadline I'll try to answer any questions

popsofctown

- A lot of the scum reads here seem to be gut mostly? I would like to engage with people who scum read this slot. I don't see it. The way she's engaged with the game so far has seemed very town, particularly regarding the Alisae/LLD situation.

PenguinPower

- Not a super solid read—idk if I'll ever have a solid read on the lurkers—but I think town based off his interactions with FF and some genuine attempts to jam and sort. Feels town but I'm wary if he maintains the same level of not-doing-anything tomorrow.

Pink Ball

- I had the same reaction as PB to the appreciation page stuff. I know usually it shouldn't be taken as AI, but PB strikes me as the type of guy who'd be less likely to try and get on people's good side through emotional manipulation as scum. Otherwise I'm not super impressed yet though, and I can't tell if his interactions with Pine and the fruit stuff is genuinely squicky or just PB being PB. Regardless, I think he'll be easier to read as the game goes on.

MariaR

- Probably town. I think her saying some of my early posts were surface-level make sense—because well, they were—and I always assign town points to people who actually read what I'm saying in some of my more rambly wall posts instead of just saying I'm town for my word count. Not much else has stood out to me about this slot.

Gamma Emerald

- Town. This is a similar read to Iconeum. Pure tone and I remember him popping in during all the drama with spoilered posts of him catching up and asking questions. It's not scum looking for town cred for being productive, it's just town trying to get into the game.

chennisden

- His pop ins and pop outs are scummy. I found his attack on Menalque ironically opportunistic itself. It seemed much more surface level than say, Ank's case, who was at least taking the time to look at Menalque's motivations and engage. His scum self-meta posts were just... weird too? I don't recall him micromanaging the game state in Gameshow mafia at all.

xofelf

- Lean scum. Nothing impressive in the ISO. I would say more likely to be scum if LLD flips scum. This is basically the opposite case of Aristophanes. While Ari's defense of LLD is not how I'd expect scum to defend scum at all, xofelf's pop in is exactly how I'd expect scum to try to defend scum. If LLD flips town this is probably closer to null.

GreyICE

- Probably town. Popping in to unvote LLD out of principle is +town equity. It makes more sense for scum to just lay low during that shit show and let Ali carry through the lynch regardless of what LLD's alignment turns out to be.

Jjh

- Mixed. I've been suspicious of this slot since early game, but I've liked his responses to pressure and more recently liked some of his posts. I think this is a slot that slides closer to town on a scum!LLD flip.

Chickadee

- I don't remember a ton about this slot. But I remember liking my interactions with her in regards to sorting PB and her progression from her first reads list to now. I'll be interested in how she uses the neighborizer and if that changes her play at all. A less confident read that I need to pay more attention to.

Iconeum

- Town. very pure tone. When he came in he was much more focused on getting caught up and solving than taking a side in the Ali/LLD stuff, which I think is +town. He could have very easily played the not-caught-up excuse and just sheeped Ali. His attempts to do stuff are good imo and particularly because there was no need for him to do anything while all the drama was going on. Like I said, scum probably just lurk through that, or use it to make themselves look better somehow.

Katsuki

- Uh maybe town? Not super confident here. I don't really know how to read this play style very well. I think his push on LLD probably doesn't come from scum regardless of how LLD flips.

pedit:

BTW on the logic of, "If LLD is scum, Ari must be town because Aristophanes wouldn't hard defend a scumbuddy like that":
No.
Just no.
That logic literally couldn't be any more wrong.

The problem is is that there are just way more

effective

ways to defend LLD. Ari was never going to stop LLD's lynch the way he was going about it.

ok that's about it for me before the end of twilight unless anyone has any specific questions or wants to engage with me about Pops

[Dannflor]

green are my strongest town reads

yellow-green are my town leans

yellow is my mixed

pinkish is my lean scum

red is my scum reads

if that wasn't already clear

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Ari I love you

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that is a sexy page top

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ur a sexy top

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I would think her crumb would be closer to the end of day than that?

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also look for scum who were anti bus d1 first because no person 1) active and 2) trying to solve the game would have believed LLD was anything but scum

hello it's me the person who thought LLD was town

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mastina did you vig nacho

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why would ank go for her top scumreads instead of null or people she wants to be certain of?
I don't think ank has a suicide wish.

the fact that there's no obvious crumb

so the next best clue is her top scum read

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chennisden is another potential target

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VOTE: chennisden

I'm washing my hands of this 1v1

PB vote chenn thanks

I'm honestly not convinced lld is scum anymore

Can we just lynch chennisden

[Dannflor]

nvm not posting a read list see y'all tmrw

im not seeing what you're seeing this means

[Dannflor]

bad flashbacks to undertale rnow

[Dannflor]

Why do you think a hider without a crumb would go for a scumread

I would like to think she left some clue behind of where she was targeting if she thought there was any chance of her dying

unless she was trying to get an inno?

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actually that post kind of hints at the opposite, that LLD isn't really with mastina, but like LLD mentioned mastina 4 times, which i think might mean something as i think scum!LLD would interact with town!LLD more, and try to replicate behavior which i don't think she tried to do at all.

can you rephrase this for me because I'm not following

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Why do you think a hider without a crumb would go for a scumread

I would like to think she left some clue behind of where she was targeting if she thought there was any chance of her dying

unless she was trying to get an inno?

she likely was trying to get an inno, most players who get hider aren't going to aim for their scumreads to SUICIDE ON. they are going for paranoia reads/or lean towns or maybe nulls.

ye you're right

I was thinking in terms of guilties but I don't think Ank really wanted to die tonight

which probably makes both chenn and pops unlikely targets

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I don't think Ank really wanted to die tonight

she was complaining about possibly being vigged and the fact she didn't share a reads list makes me think she was expecting/hoping to be alive today

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I definitely don't crumb anything

solved the case boys

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I don't see what Mastina gains by changing her claim now to a failed protective

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VOTE: xof

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I thought Ank was the scum kill before I saw the hider

Nacho is a strange scum kill ??

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to gain herself town points.

why else.

but like it's so unbelievable and useless

I guess you're right it just seems like a weird move

and she'd have to have just come up with it on the spot because I doubt scum was expecting Ank to die

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I thought Ank was the scum kill before I saw the hider

Nacho is a strange scum kill ??

nacho is a good scum kill.
killing replacements is like a scum mo in most games on site.

how have u not picked up on that?

cause it was a terrible slot imo

unless the replacement is literally RC it feels weird

[Dannflor]

I've never played with him

[Dannflor]

Of course I did it's use it or lose it

I'm like 90% sure it's correct to claim who I watched and got no results on, but I'm just confirming.

riiiight
Sure

what is there to even be skeptical about here

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reread the deaths greyICE

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idk guys. i think this is just town pops with these weird takes that idgi

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none of that is proof of the claim but I'm still inclined to believe it I think

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I don't think menalque is anymore likely than pops or chennisden or any of her other scum reads she repeatedly pushed throughout D1

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I'm still 100% down for a Krazy lynch

his posts at the end of D1 were disgusting

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I'm still 100% down for a Krazy lynch

his posts at the end of D1 were disgusting

Which of my posts specifically were "disgusting"?

These ones:

oh ok dann is scum

Gamma's also scum lol

this game

Yeah except you've literally only ever pushed me when you're scum, Gamma

pedit: also bahahaha this whole "ooh how does fruit work let me bargain for it" the past 10 posts is so fucking fake

town Dann never writes this lol

The OMGUS reaction was extreme and you refused to engage with me beyond that

[Dannflor]

I don't think Ankamius targets a scum read anymore

and Menalque was still a scum read for Ank late D1 pretty sure

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The OMGUS reaction was extreme and you refused to engage with me beyond that

Well, I've never seen you as town aggressively argue that a simple group of posts discussing mech is "so fucking fake"

I mean, you were in Merchant's Dance. People were sick of talking about who had the most coins and how we should play as a result, and I was very much in that discussion, and changed my interpretation of how the mech should inform play like two or three times. So I just find it very unusual for you to take a look at some mech discussion and call it "fake" -- especially when you yourself are talking about the same mech at the same time and offering questionable(?) theories about its use.

Maybe I was too aggressive

but I did find it fake

I know how much you like talking about mech and I'm very familiar with it from MD, your posts yesterday did not line up with what I'd expect from you

and then you coupled it with a very weird "plausible scum read" on me

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you being a BG would explain why you were there, and then her not dying you are trying to pin on her hiding. So if anyone was watching her they would see you and you could explain it away with youre a BG and she died from hiding, look over there shiney things...

Scum caught.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

This relies on Ank not using her action, right?

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I think it's possible Ank just didn't crumb.

I don't think she was suicidal. I think she wanted to come out with a secret town read inno (or maybe two if she could get away with another night) that would strengthen her read list and start solving the game. She specifically asked for Mastina and mine's lists before the day ended yesterday. Her delaying her own reads list did seem strategic, and I think she was waiting for her result to come through. She just didn't expect to die at all and thus didn't crumb it.

idk maybe that's not giving Ank enough credit

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I think it's possible Ank just didn't crumb.

I don't think she was suicidal. I think she wanted to come out with a secret town read inno (or maybe two if she could get away with another night) that would strengthen her read list and start solving the game. She specifically asked for Mastina and mine's lists before the day ended yesterday. Her delaying her own reads list did seem strategic, and I think she was waiting for her result to come through. She just didn't expect to die at all and thus didn't crumb it.

idk maybe that's not giving Ank enough credit

Can we possibly backdoor a possible result from Alyssa's town list?

hunting in a list of town reads seems like a terrible idea

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hunting in a list of town reads seems like a terrible idea

So your argument is to totally drop Ank's possible results?

What's your read of Mena/other candidates rn independently of any Ank stuff?

Yeah, that's my argument. I'm not a huge fan of extending this hunting for crumb stuff because it's mostly mechanical and feels easy for scum to coast by on/hide behind. It sucks but I think focusing on her possible investigations will be more harmful than helpful.

I still town read Mena. Chennis can still be scum. Pops I think is town. uhhhh what other candidates am I missing

Mastina is prob town

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Gamma is like, my strongest townread aorn

he's up there for me too

who are your other town reads right now

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Especially when that content is all one liners.

UNfortunately, I am pretty swamped, I can only give what I got. Luckily the game pace has slowed down enough, I'll be able to keep up better.

I totally lost the plot on Day 1.

could you just get in a post with your most confident reads?

you don't really have to be caught up with the plot just giving input on what you think about people who make the biggest impression

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Gamma is like, my strongest townread aorn

he's up there for me too

who are your other town reads right now

probably GreyICE wbu?

greyICE, iconeum, formerfish, and jjh now

I still townread Pops and I wanna talk to people that scum read her and why

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The Maria watch is a little weird over one of the more universally read scummy slots especially considering she was a viable NK, but I can see the town logic behind wanting to try and confirm her

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My gut says mastina is lying scum.

What did mastina lie about?

It's the outrage - it rings fake.

this pop in feels opportunistic

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oh

I don't know how roles work don't mind me

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My biggest thought is that DGB has a small, opportunistic ISO.

I'm such a low hanging fruit... are you lazy scum or chicken scum?

VOTE: Chickadee

Are you expecting her to town read you for being low hanging fruit?

DGB what are your readsssss

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VOTE: DGB

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I don’t understand why’d they choose now to distance

Or why they’d feel the need to

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I think I'm never voting GreyICE this game.

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Ehh: Gamma Emerald / DrippingGoofball / Firebringer / xofelf / Iconeum / popsofctown / Jjh927 / chenni

Krazy, have you made any progress on these slots?

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Ank crumbed Xof pretty obviously imo.

Also I'm at daystart so if this has been said in the last 20 pages or if the subject has moved on then I apologize.

We're mostly moved on, but what's the obvious crumb you see? Because I don't think anyone else picked up on it

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jjh is town for #3675 alone and i refuse to believe anything else

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Pine would I die if I were to take this fruit and use it

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he said he might answer one of the questions!

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the worst what's your read on jjh like now

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And you think the best choice for a question you could ask is if eating the fruit that 2 people have already eaten and lived to tell the tale about would cause you to die?

what if every fruit is different tho

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Dannflor I need to warm you that I ate the grapes and I am dead now

Jingle sent me this really long PM about "after player feedback the only way I can run the vengeful spirits setup I truly want" something something something

vindication

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Ari

what is the crumb

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VOTE: xofelf

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guys Ari is town

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What’s the town motive?

okay but like what's the scum motive, esp when he was just getting away with lurking

like I doubt he felt any significant pressure from me + Chickadee

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the worst, I'm dealing with a pretty high level of paranoia regarding your slot that's making it hard for me to slot you as a confident town read like I want to

im not quite sure what I need to get rid of it but I'd like to try

Can you talk to me about your reasons for town reading me?

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Has that been a similar approach to a lot of your things in this game since you weren't very involved the first ~100 pages?

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I do remember you comparing this to Undertale though. I think I'm an easy read in Large Themes and my play here is absolute miles apart from there -- what struck you as familiar?

The Undertale part was largely because of the Hider discourse

but I also feel like I haven't been able to get a good grip on you, your play feels different for sure, and it's possible my inability to read you is coming from your decreased level of involvement during the first day

There were posts during that time frame that felt opportunistic and at times even LAMISTY, which is not the sort of vibe I'd associate with town!you.

maybe things will become clearer to me now that you're more involved, I'm definitely seeing more things I like

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OH YEAH NO I LIKED YOUR ARISTOPHANES TOWN HOT TAKE

I also liked it more than I liked the towny things Ari did and then thought about it and thought if that was t/s Ari was more likely to be the slippery scum in that scenario finessing you; it was put down early enough it didn't really strike me as a high scum equity read

oh okay interesting

I still stand by that take

Like I'm not unaware that a lot of the stuff he's done looks really really really bad

but I just still don't think it actually indicates scum in this situation

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throw em at me, I'm interested in seeing what you think is opportunistic or LAMISTy from me. Towning in large themes doesn't engage me a lot until >half way mark (scumming in large games is fun), but I think I'm pretty earnest. So I agree LAMIST posting isn't really a town!me trait. (sorry for self meta you did dig this hole)

I have to go to work now, so it'll have to wait until later today, but I'll make sure to do that

sorry to leave you hanging!

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DGB, why the decision to self vote vs. replacing out?

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go away

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why Titus, PB

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wow I don’t think I ever want to see a kid referred to as a “fuck trophy” ever again

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I'm the neighbor

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chickadee thought I'd be a good sorting partner

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*shrug*

quoting Chickadee, "Popping in to say I picked you because I think you're someone that I can bounce ideas off of and figure things out with."

so far it's been moderately helpful for me, even if just to have a place to dump random thoughts in

I have a bit more of a solid town read on Chickadee now too

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I don't like a slot choosing between losing win% in this game and having an ugly sig in his next game. :/ I'm probably the most square one here, though.

I bet I can out-square you

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I'm just intrigued by Pine using statistics when he knows the answers

i feel like pine's attempts to buddy me have been far too tonally stiff to be believable but i also appreciate that from an outsider pov (i am spoiled on my alignment) it's probably a lot murkier.

after Vengeful Ghosts I refuse to read into Pine's posting in any shape or form

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I legit don’t follow what you’re saying here

jjh has given me PTSD that's all

[Dannflor]

ftr the worst, posts #1024 and #1059 were the main ones that pinged me wrong to me

like to me it feels you're TMIing town!menalque a little here because you're scum reading him, explaining that scum read to him, and then explaining what Ank is doing and appealing him to reconsider because you feel like he's just voting out of frustration. That second post doesn't really gel with the first. It feels like you forgot you were scum reading him and wanted to get town points for being a mediator. phrasing like "could you have another look at this" is what struck me as LAMISTy.

um later you also had a transition from fence sitting on LLD and then immediately voting jjh which bothered me a little because it felt fake but that didn't ping me as hard

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However, I have been thinking about what you said about differences between your play here and Undertale. idk what it was that struck you but what struck me is your lack of attention to relationships within the context of the game. In Undertale, I think you were deliberately trying to pocket me and probably other slots throughout the game. You paid a lot of attention to how you were perceived and definitely played that to make sure people were town reading you, or at least I felt like you did that to me. Here, I don't see you doing that. Obviously, it's harder to keep up with such things when you have less overall presence, but I'm even seeing the exact opposite—see your spat with Former Fish. While the above posts I pointed out do still stand out to me, it also doesn't read like you're trying pocket Menalque or Ank or anyone.

You also are very clearly not very concerned with the reads on you.

So idk I think I just came around to town read on you

[Dannflor]

that would not be very cash money

[Dannflor]

that would not be very cash money

[Dannflor]

i think the worst is town ftr

[Dannflor]

I don't think he handles these interactions like this as scum

[Dannflor]

Maybe Pine posted "ask for the fruit scumpartner x" in the PT but didn't post the name.

This seems like a massive reach, I feel like Pine would do better at keeping that info known.

why does that seem like a massive reach

[Dannflor]

oh hey duck is town

man when was the last time I had this feeling?

are you repressing vengeful ghosts

[Dannflor]

why do you confuse my heart?

ask PB, im a player

in seriousness though I'm mixed on you as well now

I was very much bothered by your complete lack of attempt to engage with me when I scum read you, but maybe you just haven't seen me push that aggressively before—and maybe that was the wrong move to use on you

I was confident then but your posting this day phase has been a lot more in line with the town!Krazy I would expect. Your Mena theory post town pinged me a lot even if I don't think it's correct

[Dannflor]

feel better soon FB

[Dannflor]

why do you confuse my heart?

ask PB, im a player

I'll fucking END you Dancefloor don't get me started

I'll dance with you if you're town this game

[Dannflor]

Any idea why?

one of the few things your slot did was defend LLD (the day 1 lynch) in a way that many people (including myself) are reading as a scum buddy defense

[Dannflor]

If you wanna read ank’s ISO and decide who you think she hid behind last night that would be useful

*triggered*

yikes that's unfortunate

[Dannflor]

??

The last time I played with Dann, he mislynched me as town based off of a misinterpreted hider guilty.

[Dannflor]

undertale was a special case in stupidity

I think this game is much fuzzier than Undertale though

[Dannflor]

Oh god if someone tries to push that Ank hid behind my slot I will literally shit a brick.

oh that's been done already dw