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VOTE: skellen

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Hi guys.
Relatively new on mafiascum, but i've got a few games under my belt off-site. Are y'all veterans or what?
Anyway looking forward to a fun game.

I’ve been playing since I joined the site. Had some experience irl before I joined the site

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VOTE: skellen

This is odd.

Skellen has never posted anything in this board and here you are coming in and voting Skellen without saying anything about him. Why Skellen?

Well
1. I don’t like following other people’s rvs I like my own
2. Most people hadn’t posted by that point so anyone i voted besides two people would fall into this category

And for the most important of them

all

3. It’s me saying hi to skellen

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VOTE: Kraeg for now.

I agree fellow animated avatar. He gave me the same icky feeling.

So he's getting scumread by two people because he came in trying to sort? I don't know that I agree with Kraeg's reasoning, but points for trying.

3 pilgrim

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Are you talking to me?

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If so Not really. I was just really tired & pretty high & still at work so a naked RVS vote was alll I could muster up

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That was me announcing it

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& cos skellen still hasn’t said hi to me

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VOTE: skellen

This is odd.

I don't see what's so odd about it? I mean flippy gave you already kind of the obvious answer (mainly his 2.). The only thing he could have commented on was the beginning of the Garmr/Norwegianboy interaction. I understand you are scumreading the latter also for his opening, so if voting elsewhere is odd wouldn't it be more interesting to get to know why flippy decided to not comment/vote there?

Also I am a she.

I think my 3 is the most important tbh

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Ive done this so many times billy i cant even count it

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& my activity fell when I started working again. & i had a full work week. We’re on hiatus now so I’m free so expect me to be the top poster again.

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Also that last thing isn’t real right now you know that right billy?

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Like it doesn’t exists my friend. If you want to loook me up & see some REAL games feel free to

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& yeah i mean we”re d1 I’m lazy i was really drunk last night it was my Friday. But touching back on how skellen hasn’t said hi to me once is a bit disturbing.

Idk who I’ve done this to already billy but know its been done.

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VOTE: Emperor

Ahhhhhh that’s what I like to see. My name highlighted in a bright light

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Any light with my name on it

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Emperor flippyNips is kinda jumpy but It's not really that scummy.

whatcha mean I'm jumpy?

im not Emperor FroggyNips

Luca blight I find interesting. They are currently voting Skellen for being generic responses that seem polished ect. But their post 94 is pretty generic as well as it's just stating the obvious.

What I find interesting is they said they found everything skellen said the same thought they had. If you found what they said agreeable and mirroring your own. Wouldn't you be a bit conflicted if they are town or not. They were like oh yeah I had the same feeling as you profii. It's early rvs so I'm more forgiving of being hollow but it seems like they are trying to portray image of having independent thought with out throwing something out that breaks the mold or makes them stand out.


It's funny how placed in juxtaposition to each other both come off as generic actions but one null and the other comes off as scummy to me.

VOTE: Luca Blight

VOTE: luca

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I think my 3 is the most important tbh

So sassy~

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Voting someone as greeting isn't friendly, no? Next to that we have both played together often enough already that you know what I think of naked votes or votes without any further interactions into my direction.

I think its friendly.

well anyways

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I’ll be around later probably. I don’t like reading wall post on my phone

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im here don't kill me

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trying to get some work done with some peeps so I'm not going to be reading back a lot. but if someone wants to talk & refer me to something then I'll jump back & check it out

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@mod~thanks for the grace period

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VOTE COUNT 1.6

Emperor FlippyNips (1) - Billy Pilgrim

Day 1 deadline is Friday, September 13th at 10:00 am PDT which is in

(expired on 2019-09-13 10:00:00)

billy what's this thing we're doing? I get busy you vote me, I jump back in you don't vote. & here we are, you voting me again

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That's it Emperor? Give us your thoughts on recent events at least.
- Kraeg bandwagon, approve or disapprove?
- Who's your main townread/scumreads?
- Gramr and Luca 1v1, do you think it's TvS, SvS or TvT?

well I just said I haven't read anything so no, no thoughts really. I was wondering why kraeg was a big wagon he was the main person that I felt weird about before but that was like RVS shit so I dont really count that

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tonight for real tho, I'll have an actual catch up

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well that makes sense. I've hardly been here & when I was it was RVS. I'm also not much help D1. especially cos people murder me!

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yah & I have other games where im the most active player & die d1 too soooooooooo

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Well I played with you in a boonytoonz game where we were both scum and you died n1 after a relatively inactive say 1 so bear that in mind...

wait... I died n1 that game? I don't remember what game that was

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Well I played with you in a boonytoonz game where we were both scum and you died n1 after a relatively inactive say 1 so bear that in mind...

wait... I died n1 that game? I don't remember what game that was

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right. every time I get night killed I get super surprised lol. & im on pg. 7 I'm causally reading through.

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Luca just reads scum to me idk why. could be his play style, the way he says things, his face. Idk what it is tho. & with me having those feelings makes me feel wrong & want to Tr him for it.

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I'd like to see those 5 players take a stance on Luca vs Garmr and I will accept any of SvS, SvT, TvT as long as it comes with a rationale

Luca & Garmr what I feel about it huh? :shrug:


I guess TvT but like I said I get scum vibes from Luca, idk what it is. I think it just might be him, cos nothing here really makes me think SCUM

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Vote Garmr

I think the PR discussion is scummy. Even if he did it in a game where he's town, that doesn't prove the he's town in this game. It's not like we are in point where PRs have flipped and there is a necessity to discuss scenarios about PRs. The way he tried to identify me as a PR is scummy. A PR discussion would most likely come from scum. Why? because they're the one who's going to look for potential PRs for their nightkill so there's definitely a tendency for scum to open PR discussions. Town would most likely focus on finding scum especially on D1.

tho i don't remember this discussion on pr's I don't think this really tells us he's scum. & now I do get all the talk on the slayer gambit thing. he could of been doing it in that town game to prepare for a scum game. but as you said him doing it when he's town doesn't prove he's town here, it also doesn't make him out to be scum soooo, w/out reading it I say NAI

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I think I wanna voodoo vote Emperor here.

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I think you guys will just have to learn to deal with the way i am. Most of my posts are reactive and i usually only point out things that stick out to me. I read everything people say here but i can't be bothered to add my comments to absolutely everything. If you guys think that's scummy then by all means lynch me. If i get mislynched as town in like 5 games maybe people will begin to understand that this is just my personality and it is usually not alignment indicative.

I want you to think about this post. You're basically recognizing that you're playing in a way that the group perceives as bad because you keep getting lynched. Yet your response to that is for the group to change it's perception of you. Why should we? If you keep playing badly, you're either scum or bad town. Why would we want you in LYLO? You're a potential liability there. So if you keep playing badly, the solution from a town perspective is to policy lynch you. That means we Lynch you D1. And we do that because we know it's bad to have you in late game situations. So while you think the site will just have to adjust to you, you may not like the way it adjusts to you. Please stop playing so reactively and start reading. I saw your reads list, care to develop that at all?

I'm not good at analyzing dense posts and creating essays that address each and every point. I'm just gonna say that right now. I still don't think i'm a bad player, so getting policy lynched on day 1 because my playstyle is "different" from the "accepted townie standard" just feels like elitist BS.
I can elaborate on any points you want, just tell me which reads you want me to further elaborate upon and i'll do it.

I have to agree with Norwegian boy here. My style of play is pretty different I tend to get town read then ignored. My reads last game were 100% on the mark yet I got ignored even through the logic was right. It's just people didn't understand it and thought it was bad. It wasn't even caught scum for the wrong reasons as their reasoning for moves like the night kill were the exact ones I said and the motivation as well. I told town they were hunting for protective roles and I was told we don't have enough information to think that, when we did if they were smart enough to pay attention and listen to me.

The group mentality with game play in mafia scum is toxic. People have unique ways of hunting and just because people don't understand it doesn't mean they are wrong. Forcing everyone to play the same neuters the game as well and can take away some those unique traits that people have.

I get some adjustments should be made but it's more a give and take thing instead of some borg assimilation shit.

I agree with all this. play however you want I think the most important thing is to have fun

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VOTE: Emperor

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Let's see if seeing his name in lights brings him back.

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Town

-Billy Pilgram
This is my biggest town read. I can see how his brain ticks, he gets caught up in Luca's post and the flow of it and sheeps. But then he self reflects on it adjusts and comes out with something logical. That's would be some high level scum play and it comes more natural from town.

I don't know what it is that makes me feel really distant from this game. but I feel like billy is town. but something also wants me to say the verdict is still out. I do think he's town tho based off what he's said. maybe I'm just really tired idk :shrug:

Skellen- this was hard to order with my next read but I put it here first. The skellen posts have been logical and in the beginning textbook. But the conclusions they get and the way they hold them selves seem townie and 152 is literally spitting townie at me. Also I think the wagon on them seemed a bit suss and at least one scum on it.

I can normally read Skellen really well in my opinion. (haven't ever experienced her scum game) I don't have a read on her right now tho.

NorwegianboyEE - It's hard to describe in words it's a lot of their personality. Also them standing up to profii about their beliefs made me town read them even more.

want to say town but need to ISO I think. just going thru the game I got nothing on them

Null- town leaning

Mohab- This is pretty much all gut

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I think likely town, but need to ISO too

-Profii I was originally really keen on this slot being town. Even through I disagreed with their skellen vote I thought it was a good ice breaker. Then they made a good but wrong point about me being scum and I'm like ok they are going to vote me. That didn't happen which puzzled me so I didn't give in to their demands to see if they would vote me. They continued pushing me from the side while keeping their vote off me. I was wondering when they would vote me because at certain points I only had 1 or 2 votes on me. Then they voted NorwegianboyEE and it was for the shit reasoning when they could of gone on me. But I don't think they are scum with Luca Blight.

first is profi a null read? or null-town

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Emperor FlippyNips-Null for reasons only post I didn't like was the oh I'm drunk. It read a little jumpy and defensive but nothing to really scum read.

I dont think you ever answered me on how I was jumpy the first time?
also when was I drunk?

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Kraeg-Literally god awful the vote on me was trash his actions were so bad but lacked scum motivation. But they lacked town motivation either now I think about it. Might just be a noob scum since they never had a scum game before.

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Scum-
Luca blight- do I need to explain after my 1v1.

maybe. something is telling me to not vote him he’s town. but then there’s that other feeling I was talking about too

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okay. I'm tired now, its 2 in the morning. I’ll pick up where I left off later

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also wtf is up with togepi, creeper much

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Luca just reads scum to me idk why. could be ..., his face.

What. o.o

Anyway I think I get what you mean. It's kind of why I want to see more from Luca outside of his 1v1 as there is always the chance someone is just looking bad while getting constantly "tunneled".

yahh you feel me!

also quick question, how many times have you been scum ?

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE COUNT 1.7

L-1

Kraeg (4) - NorwegianboyEE, Mohab500, Skellen, profii
Day 1 deadline is Friday, September 13th at 10:00 am PDT which is in

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intent

VOTE: give me something good Kraeg.

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I haven't really delved into the possibility of a Garmr + Kraeg scum team, on the surface from what I remember it looks a bit unlikely but not impossible.

I am not too good with these pre-flip team associations, but I don't get why you stick these two together? (sure, they are both your scumreads) Particularly if your first tendency is that is a bit unlikely?

im leaning a mohab+Kraeg team

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@Norwegian, I know you're new here. Have you read any of the articles on the wiki for strategies on how to play?

whooooa there’s strategies in the wiki!?

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im leaning a mohab+Kraeg team

So you think Mohab would vote her own teammate if they are scum team?

possibly. when I said that I did think that mohab’s vote was a little later. but. yah

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Profii, if you’ve started coming around to the idea that Kraeg might be scum i suggest you vote him first rather than probing for his potential teammate (s) on day 1. I read on the wiki scum-hunting tactics, and it’s stated that scum team speculation is not much use until the suspects lynch has gone through and flip has confirmed alignment.
Though i commend you for trying.

I dont think there’s any harm in trying to figure the team out. especially with a good amount of time left. but imagine a world where you are guessing the teams right? you boil it down to two people boom you’re like I think this is the scum team fellow towns people. one dies shit they flipped!Red. then what do you know the other person you said might be partners with the other person starts to gains traction they panic, they claim cop. then the real cop comes out & says hey! you’re not a cop im a cop. & you’re a bad guy, they die, games over, parade in your honor

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UNVOTE:

I want to go through why flippynips thinks mohab has been bussing for ages and I dont want a hammer to happen if Kraeg jumps in with a claim before we've gone through that bit first because this seems weird

I honestly just said mohab. they’re one of the people I dont remember much from this game. & I like to mess around
but it’d be pretty cool if I was right. right ?

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Flippy’s reasoning against me feels weird to say the least. Feels like he is trying to look as though he’s taking a stance but is really just fence-sitting.

I hear this fence sitting shit so often its kind of annoying. like why can’t I just plant my thoughts in your brain through text form? how else are y’all going to know them. & my vote on you was me sheeping in what was stilll RVS to me

also what am I doing that is “fence sitting”?

also what even is fence sitting?

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So looking at the 2 isos together...

It seems like mohab and kraeg both want to game game after the one by one and if you are arguing they are both scum then maybe you say they dont both want to be on the wagon that's just derived from the first major 1v1 so they revert back to voting each other (distancing perhaps?)

Which all sounds good but I think it's more likely that when they both ended up on garmr whoever moved off first probably thought if I'm voting with the other I'm wrong on garmr as if they are a scum pair they'd be a bit more conscious of what each other were doing

So now i feel like flippynips hasn't thought through this intent - or has he - intent will create a claim which is handy for scum at least or if my narrative is right then we just mislynch kraeg

But yeah this needs discussion

im honestly just in it for a kill. I hate d1 & I hardly make it to d2 lol


I also was scum reading Kraeg due to his vibe. I really put no thought into all that so :shrug:
I’ve been disassociated from this game so as of rn I’m kinda just saying things. & your reactions are what’s going to get me invested into it

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Wanna hear from Kraeg right now.

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ah right. well what’s the problem with that d1? literally nothing to go on so. & its not like im trying to kill my tr’s too. there’s only a couple people im down to vote.

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especially with feeling distant from this game. my reads aren’t as strong

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pretty sure I’m basically caught up. im not okay killing me(obvi) Skellen, billy, profi. everyone else I should probably reread so I can get a better stance. im not doing that right now tho I gots to go. so maybe tonight? most likely tomorrow. I’ll be mobile tho if anyone needs me

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Spoiler:

Profii, if you’ve started coming around to the idea that Kraeg might be scum i suggest you vote him first rather than probing for his potential teammate (s) on day 1. I read on the wiki scum-hunting tactics, and it’s stated that scum team speculation is not much use until the suspects lynch has gone through and flip has confirmed alignment.
Though i commend you for trying.

I dont think there’s any harm in trying to figure the team out. especially with a good amount of time left. but imagine a world where you are guessing the teams right? you boil it down to two people boom you’re like I think this is the scum team fellow towns people. one dies shit they flipped!Red. then what do you know the other person you said might be partners with the other person starts to gains traction they panic, they claim cop. then the real cop comes out & says hey! you’re not a cop im a cop. & you’re a bad guy, they die, games over, parade in your honor

Dream on my friend... Mafia games never unfold the way you think it does. Even if you get something right, some other detail will be completely wrong. Such is the curse of those that play mafia!

I will continue to dream until the day is true

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I find it weird people are trying to link other kreag as scum before the flip. I intend to hammer but I'm waiting for a bit more Emperor posts and a roleclaim.

Honestly not gonna get those iso done for at least another day. My schedule book is packed tight today

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yahh you feel me!

also quick question, how many times have you been scum ?

I rolled scum twice. Once in the newbie queue and once in the normal. Although I wouldn't count the latter as both games were back to back and I was burned out from the former game and had to replace out in the normal game where I was playing pretty lackluster anyway.

Copy you

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Kraeg, you're at L-1. Someone who isn't on your wagon at the moment gave intent already when you were at L-1. You've seemed pretty uncommitted to the game. You planning on defending yourself, or have you given up?

This is important actually

We have 4 on wagon. Flippy and myself were (are?) Still willing to vote once we thrash it out

That is 6/9 - what does this mean? Few scenarios:

1. Scum team is within {Kraeg / Luca / Billy} as all other players have recently been on the wagon (I haven't checked the 2 ISOs for scum reads on Kraeg either so there is that)

2. As per Billy post, Kraeg has literally given up and scum are either already bussing or showing an intent to bus (if it's me or flippy for sake of thoroughness)

3. We are wrong and kraeg town


I'm leaning towards 2 but 3 keeps pinging in my mind because when you are lynching scum obviously scum resist and with so many people circling above Kraeg I wonder if we are straying from 2 to 3

What’s making you think that billy could be scum?

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Ok i'll unvote so no fools can hammer until you've said what you want to say.
UNVOTE: Kraeg

I mean someone lol hammers we’re pressuring them hardcore tomorrow, dare I even say....Murder!

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uhh sorry y’all I’ve been busy, haven’t had much time on my computer recently. trying to catch up on the last two pages but im pretty tired. if I stop posting then I passed out

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EFN,
ok so EFN is crusing for the early parts of this game which is a worry
He also says he struggles to read Skellen when he usually can which is really at odds with what I just said so that is a problem for me.
He also puts Kraeg at L-1 with no real prior exception to the slot, this is a red flag
I really dont like the post where EFN says he just wants a kill 304

ok so that's a slot for vote consideration...


VOTE: EFN

putting Kraeg at L-1 is fasho misrep. I never voted him, I said I had intent. pretty sure I’ve voted one time, not including RVS
i'm pretty sure I was saying how I don’t have a read on Skellen shows how disassociated I am from the game
& yeah Skellen may be oozing town to you doesn’t mean I have to feel the same that you do, Im not trying to set anything up I have simply been trying to say that I feel distant from the game & me not having a read on Skellen shows it. its could also be its been awhile since I played with her so im not quick to get a read cos she’s evolved but idk. which it is. it could be all the above

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@Emperor
A lot of scum use the "Oh i'm feeling disassociated from the game/not solving like i used to/i just don't care as much TBH" as an excuse for why they aren't as eager to help solve the game. Just sayin.

yah they might. just like the V/La thing. but they should know it runs the risk that they’ll die cos if it.

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EFN,
ok so EFN is crusing for the early parts of this game which is a worry
He also says he struggles to read Skellen when he usually can which is really at odds with what I just said so that is a problem for me.
He also puts Kraeg at L-1 with no real prior exception to the slot, this is a red flag
I really dont like the post where EFN says he just wants a kill 304

ok so that's a slot for vote consideration...


VOTE: EFN

putting Kraeg at L-1 is fasho misrep. I never voted him, I said I had intent. pretty sure I’ve voted one time, not including RVS
i'm pretty sure I was saying how I don’t have a read on Skellen shows how disassociated I am from the game
& yeah Skellen may be oozing town to you doesn’t mean I have to feel the same that you do, Im not trying to set anything up I have simply been trying to say that I feel distant from the game & me not having a read on Skellen shows it. its could also be its been awhile since I played with her so im not quick to get a read cos she’s evolved but idk. which it is. it could be all the above

i got confused by the post you did a vote tag but just said intent - my bad, just a mistake not a misrep (at least no intentionally - sorry !)

shame you are disassociated from the game - i hope you get involved. It would be good to have some more things to consider

okay. no worries

I’ll get into it eventually, unless I die

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Hiii

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1. By killing someone who recently voted Kraeg, do scum think we will revert back to a scum wagon?

are you saying we’ll revert back to reading Kraeg as scumm? cos thats who I was thinking of going for. but tbf I’ve only read the
last 4 pages & haven’t iso’d him yet but from what I hear there isn’t much so that won’t take me long.

2. Given the who PR thing, did they think Norgey boy was the real PR?

in my opinion norg was killed to either make Kraeg look more sus. or
so we would go in circles and ultimately decide that scum were trying to just make him look bad.

3. Given there may be some unknown protective/blocking PR did they throw a curveball to make sure it goes through
4. Did they intentionally aim at an active player to slow the game down and frustrate active town players?

I do think 4 is very possible too. it allows them to be more inactive and run with it. or post a bunch and be the “town leaders” so to speak.

am I leaning the town leader side? no not really. thats a lot harder then killing off the most active. and profi being the biggest tr either makes him scum or to obvious of a kill. & I think I’m leaning the latter

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but if the scum team is billy/profi it shouldn’t be to hard for some scum theater right? especially with no one else giving much input

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Emperor FlippyNips

have been prodded.[/color]

I have been failing you




oh the

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the other thing I was saying was they did it cos is so obvious that town would end up being like wow thats too obvious for Kraeg as scum to make this kill so he’d get TR for it. or his parter is acting alone & did it & plans on busing the fuck out of Kraeg. or I’m wrong & he really is just town

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gonna be a little less active. gots to go get ready to go. I’ll be on mobile tho so talk to me people

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And I thought profi will be confirmed as Inno Child today. I didn't see that happen.

To clarify I have to formally ask for my town status to be verified so ill just do that when people start to vote me

do you have to be voted to ask for the verification? or are you wanting to wait until you’re voted to bust it out?

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Why not do it now before there’s a chance for us to hit lylo

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I want to see who pushes me

Why not do it now so we can conf!town you? Instead of waiting for a push that probably won’t happen till lylo?

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I want to see who pushes me

Why not do it now so we can conf!town you? Instead of waiting for a push that probably won’t happen till lylo?

Why not just do it now instead of stalling? So we can for sure rule you out while there’s a lot of time left in the day?

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Like am I wrong here? If I am someone please let me know

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Okay. I’ll roll with it. I’m vt

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If anyone’s a deep wolf I think it’d be profi & maybe Luca. I feel like garment been pretty null to me the whole time

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Actually Idt Luca. Tho whenever I’m around I feel like he’s been coasting. Do you feel the same way about me? Luca

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Yeah & I have been the same way. Busy then lazy with getting active on here.

@profi you confirmed for him & he confirmed for you. Scum can do the same thing. There are two left so I don’t see how it’s out of the question. My involvement doesn’t allow me to really push y’all especially since profi’s been most townie/town leader kinda thing & is really have to iso the both of you. But that’s a lot of work & im at work in a area with not so good service.sooooo I’m choosing to trust y’all and accept that I lost if y’all are scum

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Yeah that’s normally said then it doesn’t happen to “throw off town” or you both end up being scum. Just my thought process

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Okay well I 100% trust the mason claim. Thanks scum for giving us a confirmed townie

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Okay well I 100% trust the mason claim. Thanks scum for giving us a confirmed townie

they were confirmed masons after the scum flip. Unless one was lying which I don't think Luca is the type.

I didnt think profi would be the type to claim the wrong partner. Luca claiming isn’t a biggie cos he’s still alive.
& it makes sense that profi was the one to go cos he was doing the big post & i pointed out he was the “town leader”. Scum was probably going to kill him anyways tho, it wasn't really hard to see how hard he was going for the town.

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I think i need to go back over BIlly/skellen before i come to a decision. Cos I haven’t been able to read them all game & in most games I’ve played with them they are pretty obvi town to me. A feeling i have is making me lean billy over skellen. I have no idea what the feeling is but i’ll Let y’all know in vote form later where i stand. Unless its L-1 then i’ll Express intent

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@luca– how are you feeling about garmr?

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I don’t remember to many post by him so i gots to ISO him too. I want to say town but at the moment I’m so damn wishy washy in this game. I need to get a grip. I think i’m Going to be able to soon.

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Okay well I 100% trust the mason claim. Thanks scum for giving us a confirmed townie

they were confirmed masons after the scum flip. Unless one was lying which I don't think Luca is the type.

Yeah, I agree. I don't know what Emperor is talking about here.

I literally said what he did, before him in a different way? What's there not to get?

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@Billy– have I only played that game with you. I thought it was at least two. & I looked at that game last night & didn’t realize you were in it. I just saw Goble & LUV. but now that you said something I went and checked the playlist.

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I’m gonna iso everyone that’s alive. We have some time & i want to put some work into my vote

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Gonna start once I get home. Well I’ve already started but i’ll Continue once I’m home

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@Billy– have I only played that game with you. I thought it was at least two. & I looked at that game last night & didn’t realize you were in it. I just saw Goble & LUV. but now that you said something I went and checked the playlist.

That's the only one I had off the top of my head. Then when I checked your topics, that is the only game name I recognized and I've only been on site for like 2 and a half months. So I think that's the only one.

Heh guess I’m wrong

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@luca– how are you feeling about garmr?

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Unless I missed when you got to it

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Ok, sounds like I'm dead today so this is what I'd ask, because game won't be over tonight one of you other four will be dead, which I would guess would be Luca. I'm actually a little surprised I won't make it around to LYLO, a little grateful given the mistake shenanigans. That said, I'm gonna try and give some help before I go down.

@Garmr - assuming I'm town and you have to play tomorrow, who is scum?

@Skellen - it sounds like you were gearing up for Flippy if it's not me. Is that your second bet?

@Flippy, if you are gonna vote me, where is scum if you have to play tomorrow?

Well this could of been condensed & just said “who is scum when i flip greeen @everyone but Luca”
1.)why is that? Just cos you think he’d be dead tomorrow?
2.)why are you surprised you’re not making it to LYLO?
And last but not least
3.)In what way do you think these questions help us now?

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Just to share Profii’s thoughts before he died:

He thought Skellen was probably town, but slightly concerned she was letting the Kraeg Lynch happen rather than pushing it
He thought Billy was probably Town due to genuine paranoia
He thought Garmr could be scum due to his unvotes on Kraeg on both days
He thought Flippy was the best bet, and that Garmr should be lynched if Flippy flips green

Did profi say why he thought garmr? & i still want your thoughts on him.

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@billy– i was just going to ask you who is scum. Nice job for being ahead of me

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@Billy–Why do you prefer garmr over me? Is it cos i’ve Been less vocal this game so easier to fight in lylo

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Ok, sounds like I'm dead today so this is what I'd ask, because game won't be over tonight one of you other four will be dead, which I would guess would be Luca. I'm actually a little surprised I won't make it around to LYLO, a little grateful given the mistake shenanigans. That said, I'm gonna try and give some help before I go down.

@Garmr - assuming I'm town and you have to play tomorrow, who is scum?

@Skellen - it sounds like you were gearing up for Flippy if it's not me. Is that your second bet?

@Flippy, if you are gonna vote me, where is scum if you have to play tomorrow?

Well this could of been condensed & just said “who is scum when i flip greeen @everyone but Luca”
1.)why is that? Just cos you think he’d be dead tomorrow?
2.)why are you surprised you’re not making it to LYLO?
And last but not least
3.)In what way do you think these questions help us now?

I'm surprised because I think I'm usually an easy target and my reads are weird so I'm usually a liability in LYLO.

Also, I think I had written that before Luca got back, but nonetheless, he's conf!town so I don't need to sort him.

And I think they help me. Me and the scum team know my alignment, but I think that figuring out who other people think are scum when I flip green will help me in saying who I think is scum for tomorrow.

Why wouldn’t you want the conf!towns opinion?

The questions are meant to help you out? In what way? & what are you going to do with the information?

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Flippy’s reasoning against me feels weird to say the least. Feels like he is trying to look as though he’s taking a stance but is really just fence-sitting.

I hear this fence sitting shit so often its kind of annoying. like why can’t I just plant my thoughts in your brain through text form? how else are y’all going to know them. & my vote on you was me sheeping in what was stilll RVS to me

also what am I doing that is “fence sitting”?

also what even is fence sitting?

You hear about '

this fence-sitting shit'

so often, yet you don't even know what fence-sitting is? right...

It's something that scum often do; avoid taking a real stance so they can't be being blamed for anything, while also keeping their voting options open.

Going thru your iso i noticed this so I thought I’d respond. I don’t like to vote when I’m not around, things can change so quick while you’re gone & have a vote on someone. By this i mean i leave a vote leave for a bit come back to the thread being locked & seeing the person i voted dead & green. But yeah. Take it as you will.

It’s not out of the question to have fence sitting come from town is it?
& if it is after this game it wont be. Not saying its okay, just that its not uncommon in town too. Cos this game could of gone smoother if i was active/invested. I didn’t want to leave it, i thought I’d be able to get the fire back but i guess i was a little more burnt than i thought.

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I'm surprised because I think I'm usually an easy target and my reads are weird so I'm usually a liability in LYLO.

Also, I think I had written that before Luca got back, but nonetheless, he's conf!town so I don't need to sort him.

And I think they help me. Me and the scum team know my alignment, but I think that figuring out who other people think are scum when I flip green will help me in saying who I think is scum for tomorrow.

Why wouldn’t you want the conf!towns opinion?

The questions are meant to help you out? In what way? & what are you going to do with the information?

Yes, they're meant to help me out. And

I'd prefer to have it before I disclose why.

And if people would prefer, you can wait until everyone's weighed in and my Lynch is inevitable, but I'd like to weigh in before someone hammers me. Maybe I don't get anything useful out of it, but maybe I do, and if so I'd like to help town out with it.[/quote]

There were quotes there. I only play on phone. Sorry for screwing that up.[/quote]


I dont get what you’re saying in the bolded part

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Why wouldn’t you want the conf!towns opinion?

Also didn't see the response/answer to this

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@Billy–

Why do you prefer garmr over me?

Is it cos i’ve Been less vocal this game so easier to fight in lylo

Full disclosure, I've never made LYLO as scum.

I feel like low activity slots would be more difficult to fight in LYLO. I wouldn't be able to use normal town indecision and floppiness against them. E.g. I know I'm erratic as town, I try and play scum a bit more cautiously. I'd be able to highlight all the pushes an active player has made against town and all the times they've protected scum. Inactives wouldn't have that, so all I'd be screeching about is your inactivity.

There’s stilll the main part of that question that didn’t get answered

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I'm surprised because I think I'm usually an easy target and my reads are weird so I'm usually a liability in LYLO.

Also, I think I had written that before Luca got back, but nonetheless, he's conf!town so I don't need to sort him.

And I think they help me. Me and the scum team know my alignment, but I think that figuring out who other people think are scum when I flip green will help me in saying who I think is scum for tomorrow.

Why wouldn’t you want the conf!towns opinion?

The questions are meant to help you out? In what way? & what are you going to do with the information?

Yes, they're meant to help me out. And

I'd prefer to have it before I disclose why.

And if people would prefer, you can wait until everyone's weighed in and my Lynch is inevitable, but I'd like to weigh in before someone hammers me. Maybe I don't get anything useful out of it, but maybe I do, and if so I'd like to help town out with it.

There were quotes there. I only play on phone. Sorry for screwing that up.

I dont get what you’re saying in the bolded part[/quote]

I'm saying that I would like people's number 2 scum reads before I say why I want them. The rest of it explained that I'm comfortable waiting for the rope before that happens, but I'd like it before the hammer.

Pedit: I don't mind his opinion, but it doesn't factor into why I want them.[/quote]

Off topic. What the hell are you doing to these quotes.

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@billy– i cant think of a reason for not wanting the conf!towns opinion. So I’m very interested to hear your reasoning when the time comes

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I realize why i felt out of touch with this game. So many wall post.

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Another mountain to conquer

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I haven’t read skellen full iso but I’ve read enough to where i think i can clear her.

@skellen~ I might still want to question you a bit.

Like, how many games have you & billy played together?

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I’m gonna go away for a bit so i don’t accidentally burn myself out, again. If anyone needs me, just yell.

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I haven’t read skellen full iso but I’ve read enough to where i think i can clear her.

@skellen~ I might still want to question you a bit.

Like, how many games have you & billy played together?

This is the first game I started playing with her. Another game where we were playing together started after this, but she replaced out and it is ongoing.

thanks

Skellen

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I think Garmr is sophisticated enough to have done the thing that on its surface looks less scummy, butnue had all night to assess who the better target was. He came out the gate voting me rather than waiting around to see where he could get a mis-lynch. That fits with his CC of Kraeg but later unvoting him.

have you sr him at any other point in this game?

how come I’m not the better target in the over night plotting? I wasn’t active before this day started. I think my activity took a irl day or so to actually pick up too, not that that has anything to do with overnight plotting

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@garmr– what if billy is green, who you shooting for after?

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cool. I thought you were going to say that, then me this. I think he’s scum too. I just want everyone to check in then bling blam blop we put him on the choppin’ block.

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I think it could be any of Billy, Flippy or Garmr. Skellen hasn't been massively Townie imo, but she is far less of a SR than the other three so I'm inclined to agree that we need to almost clear her as Town at this stage.

Reading back I'm starting to lean Town on Billy, because his interactions in and around the time Kraeg was about to claim feels like he's genuinely trying to work the game out. He has a habit of posting walls with little content in this game which is pinging me a bit, and his immediate reaction to Kraeg's claim also pinged me. I'm thinking of sparing him for today, however. Some of Billy's direct interactions with Kraeg make him look bad on the surface, which also makes me feel like he could be town given scum have daychat; for example, when Billy told Kraeg not to claim as intent hadn't been posted (even though it actually had).

how many other times have you played with billy?

Flippy is probably the best lynch today. I can't see anything that makes me think he is town. I can relate to his distant attitude and feeling burnt out etc as I'm feeling the same atm, but I feel like he is scum who doesn't believe they'll win, due to having a partner like Kraeg who everyone SR on D1. He didn't really have anything to do with the Kraeg wagon but then immediately declares intent when he's put to L-1 - this struck me even at the time like he was trying to get in on some towncred late on.

isn’t that what you said our last game then I died & scum won that game soooo just saying. why’s it so SUS I was trying to

kill

someone

I’ve been that way the whole game. surely if I was scum I wouldn’t think im going to loose from the very beginning. it wouldn’t be till now that im saying to myself “things are getting tough”

Garmr's play would be risky coming from scum, but it's feasible when having a 'weak' scum partner (no offence intended) that he could play some heavy distancing games. The fact he was so quick to see through the claim and was willing to make the terrible 'town' play of fake CC'ing would make more sense if he were Kraeg's partner. The fact he later reconsidered and went for Mohab would make sense given losing his partner D1, even with gained towncred, would make it difficult to bring home the victory. He then went after Kraeg again but then thought he was Town after the Masons claim - I can kind of see why he might have thought this, but it still looks kind of bad.

im going to have to go back & look at that. but for me its between billy>Garmr

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Assume my vote is on billy

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so one town? one where he was scum then replaced out, & this one

what do you count as

blatant scum behavior

?

this part isn’t on topic of the game I’m curious.

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oh right, right, right. I did do that

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& I mean. this all happened D1 too. who has strong reads D1

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so im pretty sure killing billy is going to win us the game. if it doesn’t I think we lost.


Lylo will be Me Skellen & Garmr.

in this senario I think gar is going to be the last. but guns will be blazing right as the day starts & ultimately its going to be up to Skellen. & Skellen already said she’d rather kill me


kill me now Lylo is going to be

billy, gar & skellen. I really have no thoughts for on what to do for this one



pedit: Yaaay

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VOTE: Garmr

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That game me kinda a bad feeling

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Gave*

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Are you scum skellen -__-

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Apparently

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Spoiler:

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Good game skellen. I cleared you from something you had did against your partner. No one was talking about him or anything & out of no where you started making a case on him & voted him. Good shit