Mini Normal 2108 : 1st game

[Hectic]

VOTE: Bob
My honorary mason buddy.

A mason breadcrumb to fall back on with your scumbudddy, Bob? I see right through you.
Scumlean.

[Hectic]

VOTE: brighteyedfish

nice to see you robbvna.

and others lol.

pro tip: skitter is gud.

Already redirecting suspicion towards skitter?
Scumlean.

[Hectic]

hey all, hey tchill <3

i'm deliberately planning on playing this game trying to get back into my old methodological wall-posting meta, and am going to try to refrain from hyperposting for the most part

@mod

i am regularly vla on fridays and saturdays

VOTE: garmr

Justifying lurking? You said it yourself in a previous game, you find it harder to hyperpost naturally as scum.
Scumlean.

[Hectic]

Hey all.

My general play-style Day 1 is to lurk in the background. Take a breath. Breathe out.

I'll be observing Day 1, and going hardcore Day 2 and on. That's how I roll. I'll still pick at things during Day 1 if they catch my attention. I'm probably going to make a copy/paste post about this for all games I play, because it gets annoying when some ree in light of this information.

I'll be observing in the background. Please don't assume that I'm not present when you're posting.

Nice try. Until you link me to another game where you've posted this exact thing, you're scum giving an excuse for lurking.
Scumlean.

[Hectic]

EBWOP

My vote is on wake because this was going to be my excuse if I have trouble getting engaged on D1.

So do you find it scummy or is this a reason to rvs???

RVS for now. Even though the idea of pre-determined lurking is yucky.

I like to use VCA for my reads and VCA is useless until we get a flip so my D1s are also always yucky...

It's scummy as fuck. Why reason it as a RVS? So that you look better when he flips town?
Scumlean.

[Hectic]

Sup

lol it probably won’t be but I do hope it goes well. I won’t be a trouble maker.

Nice game advancing. No RVS or anything game-related in sight.
Scumlean.

[Hectic]

@skitter vla on Friday and saturdays noted

Taking notes of others' VLAs ? Feigning non-apathy and enthusiasm.
Scumlean.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Wake88

[Hectic]

Unsure if Rob's oblivious or scum pushing something ridiculous, but that deserves some votes.

Regarding Wake:
"it"?
Show me some games where you've cross posted that first post.
Scumread.

[Hectic]

In too deep so you can’t back out, huh?
I'm sorry if my behaviour is too “try hardy" for you.
Nah,

fuck that

, why should I be apologising for your shitty behaviour? I play this game to win. That means pointing out shit I find scummy, and not giving ANYONE a free pass.
You’re playing this game to win too, but from the MAFIA's side. You lurk around with your non-game progressing behaviour, and the

second

you see something easy to push, you’re in there like a fucking Nazi going to Argentina.

Intent to hammer if Rob ever hits L-1.

[Hectic]

In too deep so you can’t back out, huh?
I'm sorry if my behaviour is too “try hardy" for you.
Nah,

fuck that

, why should I be apologising for your shitty behaviour? I play this game to win. That means pointing out shit I find scummy, and not giving ANYONE a free pass.
You’re playing this game to win too, but from the MAFIA's side. You lurk around with your non-game progressing behaviour, and the

second

you see something easy to push, you’re in there like a fucking Nazi going to Argentina.

Intent to hammer if Rob ever hits L-1.

I'd prefer you dial it down so we don't have to policy you.

Policy for what? This game is all about passion.

[Hectic]

OK, guys. So I sat down and took a breather, and I feel a lot better now.
Sometimes I get way too into the game, and my emotions get the better of me. At its heart, this game is all about accusing each other which makes it a very passionate and emotional game, and really, that's why I love it so much.
But sometimes, I do let go of the reigns and I can spin out of control as a result.
Don't worry though, my horse is okay and I am firmly back on, reigns in hand. Hope to have a pleasant game with y'all.

Anyway, let me change what I said to Rob to "as soon as he saw an opportunity, he was in there to push me like a mouse going for cheese."
Hope that's better. Will talk about reads later.

[Hectic]

I accuse people, see how they react, and then sort.
It's why I poked so many people with my first posts in the game.
Reads list incoming.

[Hectic]

White truffle and goat's cheese pizza

- Rob:
Initially had qualms about him attacking me. But his posts since then have been amiable and open-minded. It would've been easy to further scumread me here, but he claims he's voting me for mostly policy reasons.

French Onion Soup

- Tchill:
I've had a previous game with scum!Tchill where I've played like this, and he's acting differently to how he did there. He was very passive in that game, and allowed me to push and deathtunnel other townies, and didn't step in at all defuse any fights or 1v1s. He let town tear themselves apart, and he's not doing that here.

Mac and Cheese

- Garmr:
I liked his early reads.
@Garmr: Why aren't Fish and Wake scum together?

Stale Doritos

- BrightEyedFish:
Popped in earlier to comment, but said nothing to progress the game or comment on anything. Happy to cruise.

Moulding Bread

- Wake88:
You can't expect to find scum if don't put any effort in to question people and post. If everyone took that approach, no progress would be made.
Still waiting on an answer to whether he's made that same post in any other games of his.

Everyone else are

blueberry muffins

for now.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Wake

[Hectic]

Bowl of Cereal - Skitter:

Happy to see transparency on her reads.
@Skitter: I want you to be clear about your read on Hectic-Rob interactions. You initially say

"i don't think hectic/robb is svs but they probably (?) aren't tvt either; it doesn't entirely feel like a real argument; hectic in particular feels kinda fake but that might just be his posting style idk"

, but then in your next posts say

"and hectic maybe comes off better than robb does in that argument ?"

Mushy Salad - Rabid Schnauzer:

Enters to comment on potential rule breaking. No comment on anything game related. Probably just lazy, but one to watch as mushy salad can be disgusting. As my grandfather always used to say: salad lacks punch without the crunch.

In post 45, Robbnva wrote:
Try Harding and calming non ai things scummy are like things I’ve legit see scum do.
lowkey feels like a perspective slip.

I normally write off most "scumslips", but this one is kinda interesting, and I wouldn't mind hearing Rob elaborate on his use of that word there.

I wonder if anyone is seeing what I’m seeing.

Go on.

[Hectic]

Yeah, you're right, that is confusing/contradictory. You're saying I feel both fake and sincere simultaneously.
I'm on a high alert regarding you. Scum!you often posted reads that didn't make a lot of sense but felt genuine in that Saladman Normal Game.

Updating you to

Cold Bowl of Cereal.

[Hectic]

Bowl of Cereal - Skitter:

In post 45, Robbnva wrote:
Try Harding and calming non ai things scummy are like things I’ve legit see scum do.
lowkey feels like a perspective slip.

I normally write off most "scumslips", but this one is kinda interesting, and I wouldn't mind hearing Rob elaborate on his use of that word there.

Rob?

[Hectic]

Got lazy waiting for Wake to answer me.
He does observe for the first day of all the games I looked through, so that part is NAI.
However, he is usually very brief when mentioning the fact he observes. For example:

I hate Day 1 shenanigans. I need something to actually work with.

Observing for now.

His first post in this game is comparatively too defensive for my liking:

Hey all.

My general play-style Day 1 is to lurk in the background. Take a breath. Breathe out.

I'll be observing Day 1, and going hardcore Day 2 and on. That's how I roll. I'll still pick at things during Day 1 if they catch my attention. I'm probably going to make a copy/paste post about this for all games I play, because it gets annoying when some ree in light of this information.

I'll be observing in the background. Please don't assume that I'm not present when you're posting.

He's

Mouldy Cheese

, and not the good kind. Who's scummy so far, Wake?

[Hectic]

Bowl of Cereal - Skitter:

In post 45, Robbnva wrote:
Try Harding and calming non ai things scummy are like things I’ve legit see scum do.
lowkey feels like a perspective slip.

I normally write off most "scumslips", but this one is kinda interesting, and I wouldn't mind hearing Rob elaborate on his use of that word there.

Rob?

I don’t understand what the issue of using the word legit is. It’s not a slip and I don’t see how anyone could think it was.

If you're scum, you use 'legit' there if you forget you're speaking from a townie's perspective, and speak from scum's perspective where you're trying to convince people that even though you're scum, this thing you're pointing out is

legit

scummy.

[Hectic]

If you're scum, you use 'legit' there if you forget you're speaking from a townie's perspective, and speak from scum's perspective where you're trying to convince people that even though you're scum, this thing you're pointing out is legit scummy.

Well people have accused people of things that are nai. You being one of them. Me saying what I said and using legit (besides the fact that legit is part of my vocabulary) means that the stuff I find scummy are things I’ve actually seen scum do. Instead of using a long work like actually, I say legit. If y’all want to call it a slip go ahead but it isn’t. Your line of thinking doesn’t even make sense on a logical or even common sense level so I’m not going to worry about it.

Just so you know, I don't think it's a slip, and I don't really believe in semantic scumslips anyway.
Most "scumslips" are just odd word choices by townies that get nitpicked.

[Hectic]

Hey, skitter. Are you still happy with your vote on our pasta loving friend, Garmr?

[Hectic]

After reconsidering, Robb's handling of our 1v1 wasn't an explicitly towny thing to do. Scum definitely don't want to get in 1v1 there, so scum!Robb stayed reasonable to give both of us a way out.
I'll downgrade him to a

Red Onion and Basil Pizza.

You still happy with your vote on me, Robb?

[Hectic]

I took a sezuire so I'm not up for posting will tomorrow.

Take it easy, man. I'll eagerly await your return when you're ready.

[Hectic]

You still happy with your vote on me, Robb?

Yes I am.

Why?

[Hectic]

Rabid is making some good points on both Robb and Tchill.
@Tchill: I'd like to hear some concrete reads from you on the HecticVRobb thing, and now this RabidVRobb thing.

[Hectic]

Same reason as before.

Who's your no.2 pick?

[Hectic]

Seems like he's just screwing around to me.
VOTE: Robbnva

How is this fencesitting?

VOTE: Robb

Wake still needs to come on and do something though.

[Hectic]

Damn, Fish's reads list is terrible. Haven't got time now but will elaborate later.

VOTE: Fish

[Hectic]

So bef, do you have any other thoughts on the game? Reads on anyone else?

The game got off to a blazing start, making me dizzy and paranoid.
Here is a shotgun reads list, and before anyone asks, these are all gut reads based on ISO reading:

bob3141 - null, 1 RVS post
Tchill13 - Town lean, his "i've changed" post seems genuine. However, alone it's not AI and could be a ploy.
Garmr - I don't get why he scum reads me but if this game is anything like my other games, I'll probably say something "scummy af" get a wagon on me (usually led by scum)
Robbnva - Null - The amount of posts makes me want to put Robb in the scum pile but I don't like committing too early.
Wake88 - My RVS vote is there now, but I feel fine leaving it there even out of RVS for now
skitter30 - I always think skitter is town and I'm pretty sure I've never played with scum!skitter. Just going on odds RN. Town.
Hectic - Hectic's post fit his name well. Scum lean just for the abrasiveness.
Rabid Schnauzer - I want to put Rabid in the scum pile but as I'm writing this I am getting the feeling that I am just scum reading the most active players.

Still busy so haven't caught up, but wanted to outline what I found scummy here:
Makes one point on Tchill which is completely AI, acknowledges that but puts him as a townlean.
Why would Robb's post count be AI?
Uses gambler's fallacy on Skitter being town. I'm gonna assume you're not stupid, and understand that Skitter's role in this game is irrelevant and independent to whatever she's rolled in precious games. So assuming that, this is a non-reason to call her town.
Why is my abrasiveness scum-inidicative? Surely scum would take extra care to make friends and not enemies?
Gives no reason for possibly putting Rabid in the scum pile.

Basically, there's not single specific reason in his reads, and a lot of them sound like fabricated bullshit that he's throwing out for the sake of giving out reads.

He's

Sour Soya Milk.

[Hectic]

I can only go off what i see and your entire iso has been skewed towards me being scum. So you are either conf. biased or are scum. if you were sorting me, there would be more questions trying to understand my thought process.

You're projecting. Maybe you prefer to sort through gentle questioning, rather than pressure. I in general prefer pressure. And, my read on you has adjusted because of it.

at this point you need to not worry about convincing me you are town.

OK. Sorry to hear your mind is closed this early, but really we need to end this now anyway as I suspect it's TvT and providing cover for scum.

How did your read adjust from pressuring Robb?
At what point did you start figuring he was Town?

[Hectic]

i do concede my point on rabid is silly because i do ultimately tr him, its just a pet peeve of mine.

of the 4 of us id choose hectic to be scum.

w/ garmr (for little to no reason except a guess)

Why?

[Hectic]

Wake is still scummy. I'll post some more examples later of why his play this game is subtlety different to his town games.

[Hectic]

Rabid is making some good points on both Robb and Tchill.
@Tchill: I'd like to hear some

concrete reads from you on the HecticVRobb thing

, and now this RabidVRobb thing.

I think you're both highly emotional players that tend to let that dilute your games.

Robb ik is aware of this as scum. He is capable of manipulating it.

Hectic I pretty much focused on manipulating to win a scum game due to his emotion. I've never seen him play scum.

I'm not jumping at the chance to take stances on you two.

Emotional?
Emotional?!
I'M NOT FUCKING EMOTIONAL. You have no fucking right to call me that

Point to just ONE post where I've been "emotional", and I'll self-vote.

[Hectic]

Huh. Well played, sir, well played.

VOTE: Hectic

[Hectic]

That's the first time I've ever self-voted on this site. I hope you're proud of yourself.

[Hectic]

I'm reading Robb and Rabid as TvT.
I agree with points Rabid and Garmr have made on Tchill. Wake, Tchill, and Fish are my lynchpool.

VOTE: Tchill

Case on Wake soon.tm.

[Hectic]

@hectic. What do you make of rabid saying he was trying to sort me when his iso clearly shows he had already decided my alignment before he actually pressured me? How can this or any of his behavior tbh, be town?

His read progression on you throughout that interaction isn't very clear. I was surprised to hear him say he thought the interaction was TvT, which is why I've questioned him on when he landed on you being town.

[Hectic]

What are your thoughts about what’s actually happened?

You're scum.

You try to misrep me as only coming in on the replace out issue. Fact is I had already changed my RVS vote to a serious vote on you due to your reaction to Hectic's posts, which clearly seemed to be joking or RT to me.

hectic - what do you make of schnauzer's playstyle shift after getting called out? ignore the points he made because tbh the points he made could be made as either alignment, does the playstyle shift itself concern you?

Scummy AF.

at this point you need to not worry about convincing me you are town.

OK. Sorry to hear your mind is closed this early, but really we need to end this now anyway as I suspect it's TvT and providing cover for scum.

Like what changed between the first two and last post?
Otherwise though, his arguments and logic have been sound which is why I still think it's TvT.

[Hectic]

Wake as town is usually more brief when talking about his observing. And when people question him on it, he usually responds and interacts with them.
Here, his first post is very defensive, and he has solidly ignored all questions and interrogations since then. He shouldn't be given a free pass.

I hate Day 1 shenanigans. I need something to actually work with.

Observing for now.

It's been awhile.

If Scum could hurry up and get nervous that'd be great. I pick up on nervousness​ extremely quickly.

Gonna read through the last 2 pages. Don't ask me how I play, or tell me how to play. I play as I play. I play at my own pace. That said, do routinely ask me questions and engage or I will destroy you if you're Scum.

Hey all.

My general play-style Day 1 is to lurk in the background. Take a breath. Breathe out.

I'll be observing Day 1, and going hardcore Day 2 and on. That's how I roll. I'll still pick at things during Day 1 if they catch my attention. I'm probably going to make a copy/paste post about this for all games I play, because it gets annoying when some ree in light of this information.

I'll be observing in the background. Please don't assume that I'm not present when you're posting.

[Hectic]

His logic actually hasn’t been sound. If anything tchill made a better arugument. Rabid wanting to “sort” skitter and then just sheep him is a terrible idea if town but that’s what he said he wanted to do. His fence sitting comments about tchill weren’t actually fence sitting imo. Not when he has knowledge of our play style.

All his reasons for pushing me were bad. His reasons for tchill look bad. I doubt anyone can find one solid argument he’s made.

but you’re in my lynch list and he was chainsaw defending you so I don’t expect you to actually evaluate him honestly. He’s either pocketed you are you’re scum with him.

You're biased because most of the game consists of him attacking you. I don't understand how the point on Tchill fencesitting is invalid if he knows our playstyles. He can still determine our alignments from the contents of our argument. He commented on it without taking a stance/side, or even suggesting if it was SvS, TvT, or TvS.
I'm not "pocketed" by him if he's scum. It's a townlean. You're overreacting in that second post.

[Hectic]

there was no need to take a stance though. Early game and two hot heads are doing what they normally do (according to him. I can’t speak on your play). Smart play is don’t encourage it. Don’t stoke the fire. Look elsewhere.

People hate tvt fights. Rabid stoked the fire. He took a side without even attempting to sort. Then later when it seems that I may not be lynched. His read has changed. He still hasn’t tried to sort me.


Remember when I said rabid is sort of playing my scum game? my scum game is to push surface level scummy behavior and make people think it’s not. He’s pushing surface level scummy behavior and he tries to stoke the fire in me vs you. He’s done no actual sorting.

This isn't what I normally do though. Tchill's been in two games with me. One I was similar to how I was at the start of this game, see this post for example: viewtopic.php?p=11221494&user_select%5B ... #p11221494

But I also have ISOs like this: viewtopic.php?t=80753&f=50&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

I'm in a ongoing game with Tchill where I was nothing like this, so this isn't standard NAI behaviour form me.

[Hectic]

I'll wait for his response regarding his read progression on you before I comment further on stuff.

[Hectic]

So the posts doubled after my

shotgun reads list

©RCEnigma

Which is a

shoot from the hip

,

not much thought

,

gut-based

lists. And let me add it was after

7 pages

.

As far as my Hectic read is concerned, I really can't tell if he is just

JK

or being

serious

and that's why I don't trust that slot.

My post on your reads list was serious, how does that affect your read on me knowing this?

[Hectic]

youre accusing me of poor scum play now.

You're playing awfully and scummily so what am i supposed to think?

that im too good as scum to be scum here.

but ppl cant make a read like that, except me when it comes to other players playing town poorly.

its exceptionally aggravating with you, whos seen my approach to a scum game.

I feel like I've heard Tchill make the "I'm too good to be scum here" argument before, but I can't remember if he was scum or town. Will have to check later.

[Hectic]

Tchill is only looking worse after that interaction with Skitter.
And I forgot a reason for scum!him wanting to keep both Robb and I in the game is because he'd want both us around in Lylo.

[Hectic]

@Wake: As others have mentioned, your approach is very anti-town for a micro game. Do you have any thoughts you could share with us?
Are you scumreading anyone yet?

[Hectic]

And yet you mention him.

I just like to be right about ppl acting like they care about players like wake.

i'll call out hypocrisy every time.

I've tried to get people pressuring Wake several times now.
I honestly don't mind policy lynching him if he continues to literally do nothing. And his first post being a little too defensive and him not engaging with anyone after is at least something to go on
Note I haven't fully caught up yet, so maybe he had a sudden transformation and the next two pages are from him hyperposting.

[Hectic]

I think I'm going to have to reread from where Rabid pointed out Robb's rule violation up till here to get a full grasp on these arguments.
Is Robb the guy famous for finding a deathtunnel irrespective of alignment?

[Hectic]

Just to be clear though, the mod isn't at fault here, and I should've been more clear about what I was joking about.

[Hectic]

Glad I subbed out of this one. Was better to spectate when I didn't have to deal with it though.
Also, I did not

fake

replace out, Rob. The fact you kept bringing that up when I clearly explained what happened (I replaced out, mod convinced me to stay, but then we figured it was best I stayed out since I had already requested) really convinced me you were scum.

[Hectic]

I wasn't serious with that, similar to how I was joking around when I "claimed" town when I replaced out.
Faking a replace out is straight up breaking the rules.

[Hectic]

Fair enough. I'm working on my temper as well, I can sometimes just explode and be irrational.