Open 770: Fusion Mafia - Game Over!

[Ankamius]

Hi

I'll do stuff at some point

[Ankamius]

Btw I saw at some point that people were suggesting leaving scum alive in this setup.

I'd be very shocked if only town supported that, because that idea is fundamentally incorrect in this setup.

[Ankamius]

Considering I was in the game for 2 hours, that is to be expected

[Ankamius]

I can't tell if you're trolling or not

[Ankamius]

End of page 6 lolskim reads

Saudade/Hopkirk are town
Elements/Hectic are scum

Dunn is probably town just because
Aisa too because of how people are talking about her

[Ankamius]

I'll go analysis mode later, don't take these as super serious well reasoned reads even though they'll likely be better than my well reasoned reads anyways

[Ankamius]

If you want to accuse me of omgus then just do it

[Ankamius]

I have a chance to be paired with Ank against her will in this game, the dream I knew could never come true in Starry Night Mafia might just come true

Pls

[Ankamius]

I'd hope I'm readable enough to make the point moot!

[Ankamius]

That's so political it hurts

[Ankamius]

Oh here we go

[Ankamius]

I'm tired as shit but I'm going to read through the whole thread anyway and tear this notion that my slot can be scum apart so this doesn't get lolpushed

That will be a few hours

[Ankamius]

It also happens to be lazy meta!

[Ankamius]

Hopkirk

With meta like that, it is difficult and takes effort to subvert as scum because activity = effort

When you're town, you literally just need to be too busy or never get properly engaged

This shit literally happens to me every time I don't engage as town and people still can't recognize when I'm just disengaged instead of scum

[Ankamius]

Basically

The case here is flimsy because it can't be properly attributed to what it's being attributed to because how exactly can you tell that them being scum is the reason they're not here?

It is a lot easier to make that case the other way around because really how many other causes ARE there?

[Ankamius]

So your answer to my rebuttal is to just restate what I rebutted?

[Ankamius]

I'm Egduf

[Ankamius]

So your answer to my rebuttal is to just restate what I rebutted?

Your rebuttal doesn't make sense. Correlation is a thing.
If your point is that we can't be certain you're scum based off of it, then yes, you're right.
But it's statically more likely.

Considering that my entire point is that you can't really be confident in that conclusion based on how easy it is to subvert and that it's basically impossible to tell the difference, then yeah I'd say my point makes enough sense that you can't just sidestep it

[Ankamius]

Ok

So do you understand why I would find it very interesting that when you are aware of this fact, you still treat it exactly the same as before?

[Ankamius]

Ok

So do you understand why I would find it very interesting that when you are aware of this fact, you still treat it exactly the same as before?

[Ankamius]

No

I'm getting to a much bigger point, namely that you are approaching this entire read and engagement from a mindset that doesn't include actually getting a read on my slot.

Nothing you have said throughout this has shown as such, when I would generally expect town to either try to sort what I'm trying to do, engage me on different terms, or really just show any more genuine thought process than just repeating the same thing over and over again after sidestepping my rebuttals

I have reasons in the first several pages to think you're scum as well but this really isn't helping your case.

[Ankamius]

Good to see you ofrhz

[Ankamius]

Does anybody have experience with elements' scumgame?

[Ankamius]

Because when the meta case you are presenting both has a volatility of other reasons causing it to happen combined with being unable to tell in any confident way which reason is correct in any one instance, you can't ever truly be confident that that specific reason is THE reason

This is how creature went from someone notorious for tryharding as town and not playing as scum to basically being unreadable once that meta no longer applied

[Ankamius]

Yes

The advantages of a day 1 scum lynch are game winning in the vast majority of games within this setup

[Ankamius]

Who?

[Ankamius]

I don't think I'll be able to parse him through just his ISO

His alignment seems dependent on what's going on around him more than what he's doing at a glance

[Ankamius]

What was going on around him? I still haven't read the game like a filthy animal

[Ankamius]

Yay pops is town

[Ankamius]

No pops

I'm tired as shit and I have a good excuse not to do it today so I won't

[Ankamius]

I like Pops as a Townie chap due to them being transparent with their thought process and urging others to do so in regards to the specific format of this Mafia game, telling about changes in their reads as it happens. There's a certain level of levity with their posts which is a plus (if Pops is like that in all of his games please let me know). However, I didn't like post 566 but I liked the way they handled the criticism for it. A considerable push for GeorgeBailey but I don't really disagree with it.

I'm a fan of Profii's setup analysises and overall questioning. I agree with a decent chunk of his reads and getting wings would be pretty fun. I would put him as a fellow Townie compatriot.

this is universal to pops, not as much a town trait

[Ankamius]

flopz out of curiosity

what

are

your reads currently?

[Ankamius]

I'm waiting for my private PT mainly

[Ankamius]

I'm going to be mildly upset if the game really is as easy as the scumteam just being Hectic/pisskop/NorwegianEE

[Ankamius]

it feels like a good solve though!!!

[Ankamius]

because they make sense as a scumteam in my mind just by how they've all been playing

I'm not going to be pushing it atm anyways, I'm more interested in identifying enough town to be able to double check it more easily

[Ankamius]

I do have townreads on quite a few of the rest though

[Ankamius]

only 2 I think I would consider strongly confident

[Ankamius]

ftr if Aisa/Hectic/NorwegianEE are significantly less new (or come from sites that are roughly the same skill level as this site or something), then the connections to each other are a lot less strong

I'm assuming that they're on the newer/less experienced side mainly because of how they've been structuring their posts and general tone so

[Ankamius]

inexperienced or easily lost ingame, that kind of thing

[Ankamius]

does it help that I feel like I'd be able to find a reason to townread your slots by now

[Ankamius]

I like Pops as a Townie chap due to them being transparent with their thought process and urging others to do so in regards to the specific format of this Mafia game, telling about changes in their reads as it happens. There's a certain level of levity with their posts which is a plus (if Pops is like that in all of his games please let me know). However, I didn't like post 566 but I liked the way they handled the criticism for it. A considerable push for GeorgeBailey but I don't really disagree with it.

I'm a fan of Profii's setup analysises and overall questioning. I agree with a decent chunk of his reads and getting wings would be pretty fun. I would put him as a fellow Townie compatriot.

this is universal to pops, not as much a town trait

I'm not sure you'd post this if you'd read one of my lower quality scumgames. Did you read Assassins Mafia or play in Guns and Roses II?

I'm open to the possibility your inspections are better than my introspections but Shadoweh told me I wasn't having enough fun to be town in Assassins Mafia and it was true.

If people looked at my lower quality scumgames, nobody would think I was any good at it

What was different about starry night?

[Ankamius]

Ankamius is Elements one of your townreads? I'm really perplexed by the slot, but part of me thinks it's surface level scummy.
Maybe I should tryhard and reread his scumgame.

I kinda feel he's town now but idk really how I'd parse him properly

[Ankamius]

VOTE: pisskop

[Ankamius]

I'm still going through the thread but I don't see many scenarios where I'm not voting that slot fwiw

[Ankamius]

I hardclaim scum, none of you will lynch me you've no balls

VOTE: saudade

I hardclaim scum, none of you will lynch me you've no balls

Can we lynch this? It'll be funny.
VOTE: saudade

VOTE: Saudude

Serious vote.

I’m still not convinced about “hello” being a scum tell.
VOTE: Saudade
Because why not

VOTE: Gamma

So i'd like you to explain where and what the scumtell is.

-

I hardclaim scum, none of you will lynch me you've no balls

Ok.
VOTE: Saudade

noting publicly here that Hectic's vote sticks out like a sore thumb

it's a bit more subtle why I think this vote is weird, but Norwegian's is pinging me too

[Ankamius]

I think the game really is just as simple as it just being pisskop + Hectic + NorwegianEE

I'm not even 1/3 through the game and I have townreads on just about everybody else

[Ankamius]

namely

Hopkirk is obvtown
Saudade/ofrhz is obvtown
Gamma Emerald is obvtown
GeorgeBailey is likely town
popsofctown is likely town
profii is somewhat town
Elements is somewhat town

Dunnstral/Flopz are null

Aisa/Pisskop, Hectic, and NorwegianEE are my scumreads.

[Ankamius]

I checked Aisa's other two recent games and she was consistent in actively trying to push the game forward and showing conviction in her thoughts

just the language she's using this game indicates otherwise; much less conviction and giving me more of an impression that she's reluctantly pushing the game through the motions. This is a huge difference and I can easily see the difference coming from a different alignment rather than the situation being different (especially since she had no issues transitioning from the serious posting to joke posting in one of her other games early on).

[Ankamius]

Pops:

I love how my read is simply George. Yeah sorry for not posting much, Christmas festivities and such.

Hectic's read list so far is, interesting. Townread on Elements is odd, and why the scumread on Emerald? Emerald pretty much just talked about the game rules so far?

Anyways, I was gonna vote pop but their recent post was lengthy enough to get a read (Guessing you don't like Saudade lmao). Also,

@pops

Saudade's scum call clearly seemed like a joke. Which is why I was confused. Is hard claiming scum even a tactic for scum?

Dunnstral

I don't think this post is within George's scumrange to fake.

Namely, with his relative lack of knowledge in how the game plays out, I don't think it's very likely he would be able to fake a thought process including him taking Hectic's reads post seriously (which it obviously wasn't) while also consistently playing around thinking Saudade's post being fake. It's believable that a newer town player would think this since Hectic's overall tone would indicate at a glance that his reads list is legitimate while Saudade just threw his post out there.

He also didn't take all that much time to come up with that post, I remember it being around 15 minutes?

[Ankamius]

Why aren't you doing anything besides naked voting?

It's wolfier than your wolf meta, that's what's holding back a rage vote from me right now.

Alright let me explain

I don't like Norwegian's votes on Suadade -> Me when the wagons grow

this is a good take!

Georgebailey your stance on Saudade is BAD.
Post reads.

I'd add that this is also bad!

[Ankamius]

I feel like I'm reading a different game than everybody else???

[Ankamius]

The ones that voted Saudade
Profii
Elements
Hectic
Edguf
Norge (L-2)
(Hectic off)
Flopz
(Profii off)

The question is do we think scum joined the lol-wagon ? Or do we think they stayed away to avoid a contentious scenario?

Thoughts please

Youre approaching the wagon from the wrong direction. Dont ask 'who is the scum on this' or 'did scum vote this'

ask instead 'whose vote looks weaksauce' and then compare it to the available evidence.

Profi looked average
ele looked weak
I dont remember the rest.

lol

[Ankamius]

Nothing personal, but I'm scumreading your slot for meta reasons.
Interesting that your two scumreads are the only two people who have voted you so far. Looking forward to the analysis later.

lol

[Ankamius]

k well I'm well into the part of the game where I do a lot of arguing with hectic so I'm going to leave it off there

I don't think my reads are very far off

[Ankamius]

I feel like I should double check some things from NEE's past games but otherwise I think I'm good with meta stuff

[Ankamius]

ofrhz have you read much more since you replaced in

[Ankamius]

he has pretty good posts

[Ankamius]

Flopz is town, Aisa is fakin' it.

dunno about flopz but my gut says you're right on aisa

No - why?

Do you think Saudade is scum
Let’s clear the air on this quick

Hectic/Aida scumteam. Gamma scum. Thoughts.

Obviously I’m not scumreading myself but I want to know what connects Aida and Hectic rn. And if these are your reads I’d say fypov I’d be the best vote.

I'm voting you.
Aida voted hectic. Hectic ignored this without jokes at Aida. Feels out of character for hectic. Potential pairing. Possibly.

Hectic/Aida scumteam. Gamma scum. Thoughts.

Thoughts... Hmmm, first of all i'm wondering why you put Hectic and Aida as the quote: "scum team" but Gamma is simply "scum". That is a bit fishy.

Gamma scumtell.
Hectic no townrell.
Aida scumtelll.

Hectic Aida interactions bad. Gamma independent.

Where do you agree/disagree?

Hopkirk you sound exceptionally robotic rn, why?

Minimising words. Removing 'I', 'think' etc.

Too cheerful. Not questioning. Compare to my compliments last game.

But...weren’t you town?
And like why would I question that

You were more focused on scumunting/questioning. Disliked your early fluff here. Fitting in with jokey tone.

I can see that logic regarding Hectic, seems somewhat solid. But like why are you judging people on their seriousness when you seem to have escalated your own seriousness? And why are you removing those words? This isn’t English class you don’t need to act like you’re typing out a paper. And there are two reasons my entrance varies here compared to there. First, I was having fun because the talk of gems made me laugh because I was already thinking about Steven Universe because of the setup, and second, I think being masons with Carca made me feel like playing seriously.

[Ankamius]

I think my read on you would need more effort to put into a single post

tbh idk if it would even be productive right now

[Ankamius]

I will forever question how people get TRs on Dunn or Gamma...

Why did you post this?

[Ankamius]

That's more abrasive then I meant it to be

Its more precise to ask where it came from

[Ankamius]

I feel like I should double check some things from NEE's past games but otherwise I think I'm good with meta stuff

I don’t think your progression is bad or faked, but i don’t get your scumread on me, is it really as simple as you’ve got townreads on everybody else? I think Hectic is town. PK i’ve mostly seen his towngame and it seems similar to here, nothing that overly pings me as of yet. Though i don’t agree with his Profii read, but i usually don’t agree with him regardless.
Saudade Ofhrz is obvtown according to you, why? Why is Gamma also a strong obvtown? Flopz is only null to you? What are you basing these reads on?

Its both I have town reads on basically everyone else and scumreads on all 3 of you

And you three make sense as a team too

[Ankamius]

Hmmmm.
@Ank: Elaborate on your scumreads on Norwee and I.
@pops: What do you think of Anks here? You've played with her before.

I'l check out the difference in Aisa's posting later.

Mainly the way you two are going about your reads and progressions

NEE is doing a lot of backseat driving and making posts that sound good on the surface but don't actually indicate a consistently independent thought process

You have a lot of posts that ring as putting on a show and keeping lynchable players in the spotlight

[Ankamius]

I feel like I should double check some things from NEE's past games but otherwise I think I'm good with meta stuff

I don’t think your progression is bad or faked, but i don’t get your scumread on me, is it really as simple as you’ve got townreads on everybody else? I think Hectic is town. PK i’ve mostly seen his towngame and it seems similar to here, nothing that overly pings me as of yet. Though i don’t agree with his Profii read, but i usually don’t agree with him regardless.
Saudade Ofhrz is obvtown according to you, why? Why is Gamma also a strong obvtown? Flopz is only null to you? What are you basing these reads on?

Yeah, I dislike her confidence at getting a solve on day 1. And all the talk she did about us 3 being scum because we're relatively new and she should be townreading us otherwise by now is really bad.
Maybe I'm biased.

This is pretty standard for me!

[Ankamius]

ok hectic

[Ankamius]

I don't think I really need to go into detail about how Hectic isn't really trying to sort me

really just the fact that he's ignored everything I've mentioned about my townreads should say enough hoenstly

[Ankamius]

not to mention that disagreeing with my scumreads means my reads are bogus rather than considering maybe I'm wrong, which is incongruent with how he's been presenting himself this game

[Ankamius]

and I've mentioned this before to NEE

I don't really feel the need to go into all my scumreads because it's really not relevant right now

we just need one scumflip and the game flips on its head, you really don't need more than one scum caught before that point

[Ankamius]

I can't wait to hear why I'm suddenly scum, profii

[Ankamius]

Wat

Pisskop, not profii

[Ankamius]

Yeah that doesn't fit the evidence, sorry

I haven't made any big push for any one lynch and I have put very little effort in trying to either shut down his wagon or change everybody's minds on him

It gets very hard to save a teammate when i just let them get pushed like this

[Ankamius]

The last time I played with pisskop, he definitely wasn't playing like this

[Ankamius]

She has ended several of her sentences with an exclamation point which seems more cheerful and is a different persona than I am used to her, often she is icier.

I've been taking my pills more consistently lately

[Ankamius]

Mbos3 is what I look like when I don't take my pills

[Ankamius]

I feel like ever since Ank came in she's been defending Dunn and setting up this counterwagon, i don't trust it and lynching Dunnstral would explain much about the events surrounding this gamestate.

..................yet you have essentially been doing the same but in reverse?

[Ankamius]

Dunnstral has his games as town where he's just as absent as in this game and scumgames where he does a lot more

This isn't a real argument, guys

Dunnstral has done the least out of every slot and so is the easiest to push, pisskop has at least posted consistently.
I've done less to push pisskop than these people scumreading me have done to push dunnstral.
I've done less to derail the dunnstral wagon than these same people have done to derail the pisskop wagon.

They're trying to brute force a Dunn lynch and hooking me on to try to stop this momentum that pisskop has been getting. It's all crap.

[Ankamius]

VOTE: dunn

We take ank tomorrow.

Ok

[Ankamius]

Why

You can just read my partner after a scum lynch

[Ankamius]

And an elements lynch helps that how

You linked me to dunnstral, then later said you can go after him later on

[Ankamius]

dunn are you paying any attention to the game?

[Ankamius]

Hmmmmmm

I have too many scumspects

I wonder where I went wrong

[Ankamius]

Maybe I should play support for a while

How long is dl again?

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Flopz

[Ankamius]

Uncertain.

[Ankamius]

Oh my.

[Ankamius]

alright see you all after I have a nice session of passing out

[Ankamius]

profii

just a thought exercise, what do you think will happen if norwegianee flips town and you die n1

[Ankamius]

profii

just a thought exercise, what do you think will happen if norwegianee flips town and you die n1

[Ankamius]

Idk why I thought replacing into a mafia game was a good idea

[Ankamius]

Idk why I thought replacing into a mafia game was a good idea

It's not like half the game lockscummed you for the slot you replaced into subbing out.

I still have a slight townread on you after accounting for that.

if I replace into a town slot and I can't save it, then the game is fucked anyways

[Ankamius]

I'm going to be honest and blunt

I think town literally loses if we don't get our shit together

today

[Ankamius]

my reads are absolutely fucked

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: flopz

[Ankamius]

ok so

I've gone through my reads

and the only slots I feel are particularly town anymore are elements and ofrhz

[Ankamius]

my main problem this game is that the dunn wagon feels disproportionately awful compared to the pisskop and george wagons

[Ankamius]

are people still thinking that egduf's meta still matters?

she literally hasn't even been on the site for a week

[Ankamius]

when I start distancing away from my initial solve, it looks a lot weirder that you just hopped onto that same wagon

[Ankamius]

legit pops

if people are still scumreading me for THAT, then there's no stopping it

[Ankamius]

Flopz might just be scum

[Ankamius]

ok

[Ankamius]

VOTE: flopz

I'll be back d2

[Ankamius]

so has everybody resigned to lynching town or what

[Ankamius]

VOTE: GeorgeBailey

[Ankamius]

actually

VOTE: NorwegianEE

[Ankamius]

dunnstral/hopkirk/profii/elements are my towncore I think

ofrhz/pops/george can wait to be sorted

gamma emerald/pisskop/flopz/norwegianee should all be flipped sooner rather than later imo

[Ankamius]

and no profii's case has nothing to do with my continued scumread of NEE

I independently don't like his ISO

I don't like the way pisskop has been approaching this game

I don't like how flopz has completely dropped off and never really gotten his hands dirty beyond what he absolutely had to do

I don't like how gamma emerald has been around the site yet can't post here

[Ankamius]

this entire case and wagon on dunnstral is impressively lazy and it's genuinely scary to me that I don't even know dunnstral and his playstyle very well, but I can say pretty confidently that this case is not convincing enough to be worth a wagon this size for so long

george wagon I get a similar laziness impression, although I don't really feel as strongly about it since all I really have to go on with him is that the stuff that pings me about him also comes from his past towngames, so at best I just can't read him

pisskop I guess can be lazy although I find it fascinating that it fizzled after I left it

[Ankamius]

tl;dr I don't think town cares enough to put the effort in to win

I'm not going to brute force my wagon of choice because I personally think that's really bad play (even in a setup like this where a scumflip is gamechanging) since the game gets heavily swung based on whether I'm right or wrong about my reads

idc if people follow me or not, I really just want proof that I don't necessarily need to be alive for town to have a chance this game.

[Ankamius]

you play like you want to be proactive and get things done but then all you really end up doing in the end is react to whatever's going on around you

it's very incongruent with itself

[Ankamius]

Wagon on Dunn isn’t lazy, he swoops in with wolfy pop ins at irregular intervals before leaving again. That’s not the town Dunnstrall i’ve known.

you say this when flopz fluffs up the thread, only gives a reads list when he is told to, then vanishes for 3-4 days except to ask why he's being voted... like immediately after it happens

what's the difference between the two?

[Ankamius]

The question i’m asking myself is why you’re so opposed to a Dunn lynch when his ISO is genuinely awful.

yeah welcome to my life

[Ankamius]

Well first, I'm not married

Second, how is someone who has been wagoned all game 'coasting' exactly? That literally makes no sense

[Ankamius]

......ok?

That's basically what you and hectic did to pisskop, so I don't see what exactly is the difference that makes it scummy when profii and I do it yet not when hectic and you do it

[Ankamius]

Plus whoever said that pisskop gets lynched as town every time they play with them if that's somebody different


That is especially relevant

[Ankamius]

Ok so what's the difference?

[Ankamius]

Why aren't you doing anything besides naked voting?

It's wolfier than your wolf meta, that's what's holding back a rage vote from me right now.

Alright let me explain

I don't like Norwegian's votes on Suadade -> Me when the wagons grow

this is a good take!

Georgebailey your stance on Saudade is BAD.
Post reads.

I'd add that this is also bad!

I feel like ever since Ank came in she's been defending Dunn and setting up this counterwagon, i don't trust it and lynching Dunnstral would explain much about the events surrounding this gamestate.

..................yet you have essentially been doing the same but in reverse?

Dunnstral has his games as town where he's just as absent as in this game and scumgames where he does a lot more

This isn't a real argument, guys

Dunnstral has done the least out of every slot and so is the easiest to push, pisskop has at least posted consistently.
I've done less to push pisskop than these people scumreading me have done to push dunnstral.
I've done less to derail the dunnstral wagon than these same people have done to derail the pisskop wagon.

They're trying to brute force a Dunn lynch and hooking me on to try to stop this momentum that pisskop has been getting. It's all crap.

These are just the first three posts I could find

It also answers your earlier question why I'm scumreading you partially

[Ankamius]

This is a very interesting change Profii but a welcome one nonetheless. Although your case is certainly well-reasoned I haven't been fully swayed yet.

Btw for the same reason as Hopkirk and Hectic I will not be particularly active tomorrow.

Ok ok

Momentum for this excellent scum lynch opportunity has started to wane after the initial excitement so I will give everyone a titbit of insight to reinvigorate the efforts

There is a critical part of Norway's town game missing from this game

All will be revealed when we have some more votes... go go go!

Woah, that's pretty good. How many votes?

Both of these mean basically nothing and other than that, your only post within the last 3 days until now is the aforementioned question about why I'm voting you

Hectic is in sort later

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Flopz

[Ankamius]

Thanks

[Ankamius]

Its 630am

[Ankamius]

I've been waiting for you to take a stand on something flops

You've been floating way too much and you haven't been getting your hands dirty, and I find that scum indicative in gamestates like this.

[Ankamius]

I've given up on explaining anything

[Ankamius]

just a thought exercise, what do you think will happen if norwegianee flips town and you die n1

this is assuming a lot ank.

Even if prof is town he isnt a good NK.

Do you find prof to be obvtown? because thats the implication here.

no

it's a thought exercise, like I said

I was trying to show profii why I wasn't voting for someone who I was explicitly scumreading instead of outright saying it to everybody

[Ankamius]

Ank what do I do

idk I kinda lost my momentum

[Ankamius]

I'm going to be very annoyed if I was actually right initially

[Ankamius]

???

my initial reads were hectic/norwegianee/pisskop

[Ankamius]

dunnstral/hopkirk/profii/elements are my towncore I think

ofrhz/pops/george can wait to be sorted

gamma emerald/pisskop/flopz/norwegianee should all be flipped sooner rather than later imo

[Ankamius]

@Mod: Can we have a prod/replacement on Gamma please?

[Ankamius]

if I'm not around when pairings form, then sheeping my reads is probably not the best idea regardless

a lot changes once that happens and a different approach needs to be taken at that point

[Ankamius]

fucking hell we need a new gamma

[Ankamius]

the game becomes lovers nightless

the amount of possible teams condenses to a very low amount

[Ankamius]

I want to see if we get a deadline extension with gamma being replaced

he hasn't posted in 4 days and hasn't been prodded and isn't v/la afaik

[Ankamius]

ngl I've been lowkey wondering about her for a while now

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namely

I've had the feeling for a while now that despite how much emphasis she's put on me today and how she's generally shifted the way she's playing it after I showed up, she's had a weird aversion to having an extended engagement despite us talking to each other several times

plus I specifically noted that she was very gung ho about the George wagon, then when I addressed it stating why I thought he was town, she just ignored it and completely halted all momentum on it

it was... weird

[Ankamius]

pops!scum has disturbing implications for the game

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because it means I'm offbase and I don't think I have the willpower to wade through everything to correct myself properly

[Ankamius]

I can't have faith in a wagon that is endlessly being tunneled for reasons I already know are wrong

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Unless you are one of those sick monsters that needs more effort to be town, maybe I'm projecting. I'm just gonna hope not though.

Noap, scum takes a lot more raw effort

It's easier to apply as scum though

[Ankamius]

I think I can empathize why someone would shift their read on a player who goes from being proactive to being sheepy. You have to link it to the scum wincon though. I only see how it could reflect that I'm scum if I was bussing before and I'm sheeping Ank's solve because it's terrible.

This is kinda what I was kinda worried about

It struck me as really odd that you tried to convince me on your wagon... but then suddenly switched to just hard sheeping me without me prompting it and well after your last engagement with me about reads

Regardless of your read of me and your opinion of my play, that is a pretty significant jump from how you were playing to form your own reads and push for them and it kinda came out of nowhere

[Ankamius]

Unless you are one of those sick monsters that needs more effort to be town, maybe I'm projecting. I'm just gonna hope not though.

Noap, scum takes a lot more raw effort

It's easier to apply as scum though

What do you mean by apply
I want to apply for an Ank PT
I feel like flopz is actually sorting me near deadline and it's bizarre and too villager to be villager which I don't believe in.

It means it's a lot easier for me to figure out how much I need so I don't risk burning out

Generally I get really bored if the thread dies as scum and don't care anymore while I can't handle not trying to fix it as town

It's basically a case of me molding my expectations around everybody else

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Ankamius]

I'm starting to run out of suspects honestly

[Ankamius]

I'm townreading someone for bad reasons but I can't figure out who yet

Zzz

[Ankamius]

VOTE: NorwegianEE

This is the highest probability play I think

I have a team in mind but I won't allow scum to potentially wifom it

This game should be sufficiently broken to be a town win if he is scum and honestly I don't think we had the best shot at a win in the first place if this is wrong

I can go over what I don't like about this slot a bit later if I can stop sneezing

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eGorBageyli

What happened to Hectic?

in both sense that sentence could be read.

I was wary about hectic and Norwegian being a team because of hectics turn on pisskop, but it makes more sense with pisskop being town

I thick they're both scum again

[Ankamius]

nice let's see what looker thinks about this game

[Ankamius]

no???

I'm frustrated that I'm able to get reads but I haven't been able to turn them into anything concrete

[Ankamius]

no???

I'm frustrated that I'm able to get reads but I haven't been able to turn them into anything concrete

That's pretty much the same as what i said.

ya but this game is nowhere near as hard to get anything concrete from if a scumflip wasn't essentially gamebreakingly strong

[Ankamius]

So I remember where I left off {popsofctown Flopz NorwegianboyEE profii}

what does this even mean

[Ankamius]

Have fun on d2 I guess

[Ankamius]

I am so tempted to tilthammer

but I know deep in my heart that it's objectively wrong to not leave it in looker's hands even if I am not at all convinced he's town

[Ankamius]

it's almost like I'm learning how to play the game

I really shock myself sometimes

[Ankamius]

hope you guys are right!

[Ankamius]

THE OTTERCOCKS WILL RISE AGAIN AS A CONTENTLESS BAH POST

[Ankamius]

we did a thing

and I only have half a complex by the end of it

all in all a good day

[Ankamius]

sorry

you put in a very good effort for how badly the setup favored town

[Ankamius]

I think it's very swingy by playerlist rand

One teammate that gets caught immediately basically fucks the entire team

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Is it unbalanced by ms standards, idk

I think it just gives town too much wiggle room since you can run into situations like this where town mislynches twice in a row and then the game is just over

A regular setup would've made this game way harder for town I think

[Ankamius]

Tbf Dunn had a really really really town post early in the game that I don't think anybody else caught

Pushing that was a lose lose situation even though you didn't really have any other options

[Ankamius]

Weird that I'm a counter wagon here

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Why aren't you doing anything besides naked voting?

It's wolfier than your wolf meta, that's what's holding back a rage vote from me right now.

Alright let me explain

I don't like Norwegian's votes on Suadade -> Me when the wagons grow

I had these same thoughts when I hit this post, so him specifically pointing these out is significantly >rand to be a town thought process

plus it was hard to believe he'd come up with something this subtle and then just let the wagon keep building up on him like that

it's a thought process that makes no sense as scum

[Ankamius]

Pk shut down super hard

[Ankamius]

mixed would probably fix it

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Dead pt is good to release too

[Ankamius]

They don't appear to be public D:

[Ankamius]

It works!!!

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I was mildly amused that I could tell when I replaced in