Krazy's Post-Apocalypse uPick (Game Over)

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Pink Ball

Too cute and adorable.

[Alchemist21]

Alch if I'm scum I'll keep our tradition alive.

Is that still a thing? We’ve been Town together before.

I also have a thing with Firebringer where we’re always the same alignment but that’s been broken before too.

[Alchemist21]

Dammit firebringer!

[Alchemist21]

@Alch noticed your attempt to get townread, I'll consider it as a peace offer after our last game

I was going to post an image of an olive branch here but all the Google image results linked to shopping sites so just imagine there’s a picture of an image branch here.

Image

[Alchemist21]

Town leader doesn’t mean I am town.

Obviously I am the scum leader of town

I have to say, this is bold coming from either alignment.

Boldness is a great quality of a leader

General Kenobi!

[Alchemist21]

Collector General actually feels like scum.

VOTE: The Collectors

[Alchemist21]

Oh, looks like I won’t be advocating a policy on alch, that’s nice

-collector general

That’s an odd reaction to my vote on you.

[Alchemist21]

Your posts to both me and FL have felt like you were buddying andptrying to not to make enemies. I’m not even sure who you are that you would want to policy me.

[Alchemist21]

Wow sure would be nice if there were a HYDRA KEY in the OPENING MOD POSTS for the game huh

-collector general

A saw a thing that said Melaque hydra but I didn’t see the name or who the other head is.

[Alchemist21]

Sorry. I suck at typing on mobile and am also playing HvV while doing this.

[Alchemist21]

Sorry. I suck at typing on mobile and am also playing HvV while doing this.

eh apologising for that but not for voting me eh? seems like ur trying to make me doubt my townlean on u alch

-collector general

You’re the one who obvscummed by page 2. lol

[Alchemist21]

Early Townread on Chemist here. From what I remember this feels like a Towny entrance for them.

[Alchemist21]

p-edit

Way to ruin my gif...

The gif was the perfect response to 265 though.

[Alchemist21]

TSE’s super surface level, which i don’t actually think is bad this early in the game, but I’m interested in seeing how his trajectory and how his reads evolve over time.

I dunno, he tr Eclipse before I did and generally I take that as a good sign. It worked for me with Chemist in RS 1 anyway.

~Fu

(Anyone want to take a wild guess on why I chose Future?)

[youtube=https://youtu.be/dJG5_LTIcFw][/youtube]

Idk how, but this is to FU

Just post the dJG5_LTIcFw part in the youtube tags.

[Alchemist21]

tbh I think lynching town day 1 actually increases odd of a town win. Though I never actually collected the data to prove that theory. always seems true.

so he might be right for wrong reasons.

Someone collected data on it 2(?) years ago and it was true that D1 scum lynches usually led to scum wins. Anecdotally the opposite has felt true for about the past year where D1 scum lynches led to a Town win.

[Alchemist21]

I don’t really like any of the main wagons right now. CK’s feels especially lazy and there’s probably scum in Penguin, Past Present and Future, and or.

[Alchemist21]

Votecount 1.9

Flavor Leaf(5)

~ Dr Easy Bake(27), mastina(29), chkflip(19), TrueSoulEnergy(18), Pink Ball(8)

chkflip(4)

~ Firebringer(27), Flavor Leaf(86), PenguinPower(12), Past Present Future(10)

mastina(3)

~ The Collectors(43), Dats Mist(35), Elsa Jay(4)

Alchemist21(2)

~ Eclipse(12), or(12)

The Collectors(1)

~ Alchemist21(17)

Superb Subtlety(1)

~ alimdia(1)

Dats Mist(1)

~ Clover Ebi(5)


Not Voting (2): Superb Subtlety(8), Emperor flippyNips(0)

With 19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2020-02-03 16:57:18)

FLAVOR

I don’t really like any of the main wagons right now. CK’s feels especially lazy and there’s probably scum in Penguin, Past Present and Future, and or.

If you’re sr the chk wagon, then why is your vote still on the collecters?

~Fu

Because I scumread them too.

[Alchemist21]

I don’t really like any of the main wagons right now. CK’s feels especially lazy and there’s probably scum in Penguin, Past Present and Future, and or.

This feels rather random, the reads part especially. Do you have any reasons to scumread the players you just named? I dislike that you came in here saying you dislike the main wagons but did nothing to really change the fact. It feels like just placing down reads to see what will stick.
VOTE: Alchemist

Here’s the thing, is claiming vanilla really scum indicative for chk or anyone? I’ve never played with scum!chk but I don’t think he’s scum. I read the vanilla claim as NAI.

This. The vanilla claim should basically be ignored considering how unprompted it is. It could be true, it could be fake for reactions. We have no real reason to talk about it or push it. Wolvescan take back the claim just as town can. Really, anyone who pushes this as towny/scummy should explain why.

Firebringer said he was informed of me being town, which is proof that my wagon is incredibly scum driven.

I doubt Firebringer really has information proving you are town or he would’ve been much more serious with his claim. If he’s serious he should say so. But from what I get he’s just being carefree. At least, that’s the attitude I’m getting. I don’t think you really believe this to be true. I’ve avoided voting your slot mostly because you’ve become a giant spotlight in the game, but if you had fewer votes I’d probably consider it.

Chk made himself an easy target by claiming VT and talking about it the way he did. Wagons on someone like that are usually started by Town and have scum slip onto them to blend in. One of the PPP heads came in after and kinda agreed that chk vote was bad, and tbh I’ve put Penguin in my lynch pool for this same kind of thing in the past, so gun to my head I would say or is the scum there. As for “not doing anything about it” I’m already voting one of my scumreads so what else do you expect me to do?

[Alchemist21]

I’m just so done with the vanilla comments, like that’s not even the reason for the scum reads on chk, that’s the whipped cream.

If he is scum, it’s also correct.

There’s at least 3 other reasons ahead of that, which people just ignore.

The vanilla thing is why he’s getting wagoned so easily though.

[Alchemist21]

How do you bake anything without milk?

[Alchemist21]

Gotta love defending myself from this BS case that appeared out of Mena meta'ing me and my relative low activity here, which I've already explained.

And also from Mena not masoning with me in neighbourhood chat then pushing me when I called scum in our neighbourhood PT

Why did you expect Mena to trust you enough to roleclaim immediately?

[Alchemist21]

Gotta love defending myself from this BS case that appeared out of Mena meta'ing me and my relative low activity here, which I've already explained.

And also from Mena not masoning with me in neighbourhood chat then pushing me when I called scum in our neighbourhood PT

Why did you expect Mena to trust you enough to roleclaim immediately?

Are you caught up or you just saw that post and jumped in?

I’ve been keeping up, just didn’t have anything to add.

[Alchemist21]

So still voting Collector? Wanna talk about that?

He seemed Towny in that explanation about how people usually scumread him when they first play with him and I definitely known the sort of thing he’s talking about, but I want to see them talk about this Neighborhood stuff because the way they both acted seem kinda scummy but it’s obviously not s/s.

[Alchemist21]

So the first thing is that we actually don't know who has access to the neighbourhood. My theory is that if there is a scum who has access, they would stay quiet and never post in there, and just get info from us. So then I thought Mena (collector) is town for talking with me in there. I then thought that my initial theory was too crazy, and that nothing is going to get done if we don't properly talk in there. So then I wanted to claim to each other, But I was fine with roleclaiming first in there btw, and then Mena just ghosted until I called him scum, then he started pushing me in thread.

It’s really weird that you don’t even know for sure who’s in it. That said, why would you ever want to roleclaim if you thought there could be lurking scum who could see it? I don’t really see how that comes from a Town mindset.

VOTE: Alimdia

[Alchemist21]

I'm pretty sure thats because we have an item that lets us use the hood, so when someone scavenges it, they get access to the hood.

As a followup to my last post since the quote fucked up, I even explained that I thought my initial theory was too crazy. Did you even read Alchemist?

Yes I read it, I just don't really believe it. Like, I believe you when you say you don't have a definitive list of who's in the hood. What I don't believe is that you saw this, thought there could be secret scum in the hood, then decided it was a good idea to roleclaim. Even without that bit, you still haven't explained why you expected Mena to treat the hood as a Masonry as you proposed and just claim to you? Just because you claimed first doesn't mean anything because anyone who's played in Krazy's games know that scum have fakeclaims (and this is also explicitly stated in the rules for the game).

[Alchemist21]

Yes, Krazy’s fakeclaims include the roles.

[Alchemist21]

I like how TSE literally quotes a post asking him to explain a read and doesn’t explain it anyway

Also Alch’s vote on alim is pretty opportunistic imo

-Mist

How so? Explain how Alim’s posts here come from Town.

[Alchemist21]

Whatever. It’s a bad read.

[Alchemist21]

without really trying to sort Alimid

This is bullshit. Sorting them is exactly what I’ve been doing. You and I have have even been asking them the same questions so how do you even come to the conclusion that I haven’t been sorting them?

[Alchemist21]

Question:

Is Mastina town read when she is scum?

I think I may be the only person in this game who can read Mastina and I’m not quite sure how I feel about that but yeah, she’s definitely town here.

~Fu

shit like this is exactly why I avoid playing with you

-Leona

Why? What exactly is your issue with that?

~Fu

Has there typically been friction between you two in the past?

[Alchemist21]

hooooooooooooooooo it’s magic!

[Alchemist21]

oooooooooooooooooh

hooooooooooooooooo

hooooooooooooooooo it’s magic!

Did I say that Alch is locktown? Think I did. Yeah definitely did. But I can do it again if you please.

Alch is locktown.

Yeah feels right.

You’re extremely confident about this? He fooled you in SC 2?

~Fu

Pink Ball was my buddy in that game.

[Alchemist21]

oooooooooooooooooh

hooooooooooooooooo

hooooooooooooooooo it’s magic!

Did I say that Alch is locktown? Think I did. Yeah definitely did. But I can do it again if you please.

Alch is locktown.

Yeah feels right.

You’re extremely confident about this? He fooled you in SC 2?

~Fu

Pink Ball was my buddy in that game.

I must mean 3 then. Were you scum or town in 3? I don’t remember.

~Fu

I was Town in 3.

[Alchemist21]

oooooooooooooooooh

hooooooooooooooooo

hooooooooooooooooo it’s magic!

Did I say that Alch is locktown? Think I did. Yeah definitely did. But I can do it again if you please.

Alch is locktown.

Yeah feels right.

You’re extremely confident about this? He fooled you in SC 2?

~Fu

Pink Ball was my buddy in that game.

I must mean 3 then. Were you scum or town in 3? I don’t remember.

~Fu

I was Town in 3.

Did PB read you correctly in that?

~Fu

He gave me an early Townread, told everyone including you to trust his read on me because of sc2, and towards the end of D1 did a reaction test and said he hadn’t really sorted me yet.

So kinda.

[Alchemist21]

But jjh already gave up the post restriction fake?

Yeah, I don’t think anyone thought the restriction was real.

[Alchemist21]

I don’t think this is true because he kept his SR up on me all the way until he voted alim, even talking about how alim/me could be SvS

that just makes it even more weird

disengaging from the push when he realizes it's you, and then keeps talking about the scumread later on when joining the wagon of the day?

yeah no

-Leona

FWIW I disengaged from the push because he threatened to start a shitstorm if I kept at it and I’d rather not have the game ruined for everyone because of one of my tunnels.

[Alchemist21]

If you want to force the issue we can 1v1 but if you’ll lose so if you’re scum it’s redundant and if you’re town then it’s causing a shitfest for no reason and is also a bad idea

It wasn’t really a shitfest before so I took this as you saying you would make it one.

[Alchemist21]

Sorry. I suck at typing on mobile and am also playing HvV while doing this.

eh apologising for that but not for voting me eh? seems like ur trying to make me doubt my townlean on u alch

-collector general

You’re the one who obvscummed by page 2. lol

I’m going to ignore you now and give you the chance to realise that you have no idea to read me or that you’re just wrong

If you want to force the issue we can 1v1 but if you’ll lose so if you’re scum it’s redundant and if you’re town then it’s causing a shitfest for no reason and is also a bad idea

-collector general

Oh, I forgot this

So did you believe your read on me at this point or?

-collector general

I did.

[Alchemist21]

Okay alch, so I’m confused — how confident were you in me being scum as of that post?

Were you being serious when you said you thought I’d obvscummed?

-collector general

Pretty confident but not 100%. Obvscum was a bit of an overstatement but the thing is I had a months-long record of finding scum early D1 based on little things like that so even if what I said seems “over the top” to someone else it’s about on par with where I’ve been most successful.

[Alchemist21]

Okay alch, so I’m confused — how confident were you in me being scum as of that post?

Were you being serious when you said you thought I’d obvscummed?

-collector general

Pretty confident but not 100%. Obvscum was a bit of an overstatement but the thing is I had a months-long record of finding scum early D1 based on little things like that so even if what I said seems “over the top” to someone else it’s about on par with where I’ve been most successful.

Okay, so here’s what I’m concerned about: you thought I was a strongly likely scum who was threatening to hijack the thread if pursued as scum. This didn’t flip you to a TR on me, and you didn’t call it out to the rest of the thread.

Like if I thought someone was scum who was threatening to turn the thread into a shitshow (not exactly what I was doing btw, I more meant that was the likely inevitable direction in the case of a 1v1) then even if I wanted to avoid that outcome I think I would at a minimum call out that behaviour/threat, not just let off and leave the person alone

So what I don’t get is why didn’t you call that out as a super scum!motivated comment from me fypov?

-collector general

Calling it out had the risk of causing the same shitstorm I was trying to avoid, and frankly the threat itself was NAI because Town players can do it too.

[Alchemist21]

Alimdia lynch is still a good choice btw. I called them out on the rolefishing and they engaged with it, so when they say there’s no case it’s not true but they’re getting away with saying that because of people who want to say my vote was bad.

Chemist called me opportunistic but their other head is voting Alimdia so ???
Nancy said I was confbiasing which really confuses me they were asking the same questions I was just without the vote.
Ank didn’t say anything but yikes.

And I don’t think Alimdia turning around and calling you scum because you didn’t reply is Towny. Maybe I spend too much time on reddit but it reminds me of NiceGuys(TM) who try to get someone’s attention and when it doesn’t work they resort to negging.

[Alchemist21]

Alimdia lynch is still a good choice btw. I called them out on the rolefishing and they engaged with it, so when they say there’s no case it’s not true but they’re getting away with saying that because of people who want to say my vote was bad.

Chemist called me opportunistic but their other head is voting Alimdia so ???
Nancy said I was confbiasing which really confuses me they were asking the same questions I was just without the vote.
Ank didn’t say anything but yikes.

And I don’t think Alimdia turning around and calling you scum because you didn’t reply is Towny. Maybe I spend too much time on reddit but

it reminds me of NiceGuys(TM) who try to get someone’s attention and when it doesn’t work they resort to negging

.

I was trying to understand their mindset, where as you already seemed to have your mind made up. I just don’t understand the scum motivation for alimdia calling CG scum in their hood unless it was an omgus. Regardless of whatever Alimidia flips, I think CG is town.

@Alimdia, what is your take on my CG tr?

“NiceGuys(TM)” may be colossal assholes but they actually believe the bs they spew, so I really don’t get that comparison.

~Fu

I was already voting CG when I said “there’s probably scum in CG/Alimdia”. As scum that sets me up to justify keeping my vote on CG but instead I look at Alimdia and question their actions. I do agree now though that CG is just Town regardless.

And Flavor Leaf has made several posts pointing out earlier posts where I was clearly just thinking things through.

[Alchemist21]

I can't though sadly

I need to head home shortly and its probably smarter to go to bed than start analyzing stuff

-Leona

Okay this is fair, but could you really quickly give me your thoughts on whether alch leaving me alone because he thought I was threatening to create a shitstorm makes sense if he thinks scum!me was saying that?

-collector general

That sounds like a really bizarre thought process to have in the first place unless he already has experience or at least the expectation that it would happen?

Maybe if there was a precedent for that in the game already but up to that point I don't remember you saying anything that would indicate that

-Leona

Good points:

@alch

, how familiar are you with my main?

-collector general

I think it was just anime upick that we played together. I don’t really remember much about you.

[Alchemist21]

Yeah, that’s what I thought, so given a lack of knowledge of my meta idk why you would expect me to create a toxic gamestate

What do you think of my point that it was strange for you to just let a scumread of yours dictate what happened in the game by de facto blackmailing the thread fypov?

-collector general

I already quoted the post that made me think that.

I can get you thinking it’s strange but it’s not because you don’t get my entire pov. I’m not trying to be condescending when I say that but there’s just some things I can’t really explain right now.

[Alchemist21]

I could CFD Or and maybe flippy.

3 people that have been scum with me in the past (Flavor Leaf, Pink Ball, TSE) calling me obvTown should be a good sign to everyone else that I’m Town here.

P-edit: Well there you go. And I promise my pov will make sense when I can articulate it better but I just can’t right now.

[Alchemist21]

@alch whats your take on eclipse and on PPF?

-collector general

PPF is Town. Nancy seems the same as she was in Starcraft 3 in the powerpuff girls hydra.

Eclipse... I’m not really sure. Their push on me rubbed me the wrong way and I want to say they’re scum but there’s a huge element of omgus from my frustration at being bandwagoned that’s biasing my read.

[Alchemist21]

I could CFD Or and maybe flippy.

3 people that have been scum with me in the past (Flavor Leaf, Pink Ball, TSE) calling me obvTown should be a good sign to everyone else that I’m Town here.

P-edit: Well there you go. And I promise my pov will make sense when I can articulate it better but I just can’t right now.

I’ve played scum with u!!!

But you said you forgot how to read me and you didn’t seem sure on me.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Flippy

Elsa, join me. I'm channeling LNT with this one.

Thoughts on alch, pinguino?

-collector general

Would lynch but I’m trying to impress or with a cfd wagon on Nips.

Why do you want to impress or?

-collector general

Because they brought up a CFD earlier and I said I wasn’t interested and apparently no one wanted their CFD but people like my CFD and as a Mafiascum.net player I have a huge ego.

In other news - I was not being serious. I just prefer Flippy because I don’t have a hugely strong opinion on the lynch and I get LNT gut vibes. Trust your gut.

Who or what is LNT?

[Alchemist21]

I can’t remember who said it or find the post but didn’t someone say early in this game that they once pushed Nancy just so she would obvTown? That’s what I feel like was going on with FL pushing Nancy.

[Alchemist21]

I can’t remember who said it or find the post but didn’t someone say early in this game that they once pushed Nancy just so she would obvTown? That’s what I feel like was going on with FL pushing Nancy.

Oh really? Then why is he threatening to murder me then?

~Fu

For extra pressure probably.

[Alchemist21]

why is align there? who knows

-D

You were subconsciously signaling that the post was alignment indicative.

[Alchemist21]

Alchemist, join me on Mastina.

Is that a lynch that can realistically happen by deadline? I’m being stubborn and holding out hope for the return of the Alimdia wagon but I woke up in the middle of the night here and the last thing I’ll probably do before falling back asleep is vote EFN.

[Alchemist21]

That isn’t an answer. You can’t both sr me and insist scum is pocketing me.

He made a typo and corrected it in a later post - he was saying scumFL would pocket you 100% of the time instead of doing all this. He wasn’t saying scum are pocketing you now.

[Alchemist21]

Ok Nancy. You said this in reference to yourself:

And you want to kill obvtown, your point?

And FL’s reply,

Mastina is not obvtown

was a smartass to remind you that his real push is on Mastina.

Then he said that as scum, he would try to pocket you every time instead of pushing you.

FL DID NOT say scum is currently pocketing you.

[Alchemist21]

Ok Nancy. You said this in reference to yourself:

And you want to kill obvtown, your point?

And FL’s reply,

Mastina is not obvtown

was a smartass to remind you that his real push is on Mastina.

Then he said that as scum, he would try to pocket you every time instead of pushing you.

FL DID NOT say scum is currently pocketing you.

So, is he lying about his Mastina read then?

If that’s where he actually wants to put the votes then he’s probably not lying about the read.

Ok Nancy. You said this in reference to yourself:

And you want to kill obvtown, your point?

And FL’s reply,

Mastina is not obvtown

was a smartass to remind you that his real push is on Mastina.

Then he said that as scum, he would try to pocket you every time instead of pushing you.

FL DID NOT say scum is currently pocketing you.

So, is he lying about his Mastina read then?

Neither you or FL get to have it both ways.

What “both ways” are you even talking about?

[Alchemist21]

I’m going back to sleep.

VOTE: EmperorFlippyNips

I’ll be awake and on/off again later today so @FL if you can actually get more interest in a Mastina wagon I’ll move there but EFN has the most realistic chance of happening at this point.

[Alchemist21]

I’m gonna claim since it’s only 3 hours left and you all are insisting on my wagon still.

I am Logan-5 and I am a vig.

@CG, this is the real reason I was willing to let you go early in the Day, because shooting you would have been a simpler, hassle-free solution rather than shitting up the thread about it.

[Alchemist21]

No, I never crumb my roles (except investigative results) because it’s something scum can easily pick up on.

[Alchemist21]

Also what’s your flavour? Who were your flavour picks?

-collector general

Logan-5 from Logan’s Run.

My other picks were Chris Redfield from Resident Evil and Goose from Mad Max.

[Alchemist21]

I’m gonna claim since it’s only 3 hours left and you all are insisting on my wagon still.

I am Logan-5 and I am a vig.

@CG, this is the real reason I was willing to let you go early in the Day, because shooting you would have been a simpler, hassle-free solution rather than shitting up the thread about it.

UNVOTE:

for now.

Can you give a readslist?

If you’re town here, why didn’t argue with FL about his bs push on me? I would have expected town!you to do that but you said nothing.

~Fu

I said what I thought about his push on you, he was trying to make you obvTown. There’s lots of little hints that he was doing that in his posts.

[Alchemist21]

Alch, I don't like your claim, I thought you crumbed something else early game

I don’t crumb my roles. Whatever you thought was a crumb wasn’t.

[Alchemist21]

If your claim had been earlier, we would've discussed leashing you into killing EFN and get a better lynch than a lurker, we need info.

Please shoot one of the major wagons of today and not Collectors

I stopped planning on shooting CG a while back.

[Alchemist21]

Alch, I don't like your claim, I thought you crumbed something else early game

I don’t crumb my roles. Whatever you thought was a crumb wasn’t.

You crumb investigatives tho, right?

I crumb the results if I don’t outright claim them.

[Alchemist21]

Alch, I don't like your claim, I thought you crumbed something else early game

I don’t crumb my roles. Whatever you thought was a crumb wasn’t.

You crumb investigatives tho, right?

I crumb the results if I don’t outright claim them.

Yes, but outright claiming what I thought you were crumbing would've been extremely antitown. I thought you crumbed something only me would get

PB I promise you I didn’t crumb anything.

[Alchemist21]

If he was confbiasing that means he’s town, no?

-collector general

How is that town indicative to you? At best it’s NAI.

~Fu

How could he confbias if he was scum and already knew your alignment?

-collector general

She said the same thing to me when I was pushing Alim. I think she’s saying confbiased to mean tunneled.

[Alchemist21]

Or was my kill.

Elsa why did you stab CG?

[Alchemist21]

I don’t see how that’s a slip.

[Alchemist21]

Does Leafy usually rep out as scum? Doesn't he pride himself in supporting his scumteam till the end?

I don’t think I’ve ever seen him rep out as either alignment.

[Alchemist21]

Or flip confirms Dann town, not that I had even an iota of doubt about that. Scum!Ank isn’t capable of replicating bleeding obvtown!Ank’s towngame.

I need you to explain this one to me.

[Alchemist21]

What type of bullet did you use. crumb: IAIIMW for when you answer

Laser blasts require energy ammo.

Idk what IAIIMW means.

[Alchemist21]

I’m not gonna answer that one.

[Alchemist21]

Can someone explain to me why stabbed isn't a scum or 3rd party kill?

Krazy gives kill flavors that are specific to the role’s flavor. Even the groupscum probably all have different kill flavors.

[Alchemist21]

Between Deb and SS I think I prefer SS.

VOTE: Superb Subtlety

[Alchemist21]

Prod received

[Alchemist21]

"All day actions have resolved" seems to have meant that all bolded purported day actions that had been posted into the game thread had taken effect or been appropriately disregarded, since you faked a dayvig. It can't have been a reference to TSE, who hadn't posted yet and would be very unlikely to have decided on an Alchemist target.

There's a sort of symmetry in having a game with in-thread day actions or PM day actions and not using a mixture, and Menalque had an in-thread day action, so that further decreases the odds that TSE is really a daycop.

Wait that's it.

Mena had the first 100 hours to post one of his commands, the "all day actions have resolved" maybe meant that the time has passed and Mena was no longer able to do that? And now that Mena is dead, there is no "all day actions have resolved" post by Krazy?

I'll check timestamps to confirm this since I don't know if this day started 100 hours ago or not, and if that post was 100 hours after daystart

I thought it was figured a long time ago that Krazy’s day action post was in reference to the Dayvig post someone made, and Krazy said he’d make that post regardless of the actions being real or fake.

[Alchemist21]

You need to shoot some scum or something

Give it time. I’m still kinda surprised I was wrong on Or.

[Alchemist21]

I thought it was figured a long time ago that Krazy’s day action post was in reference to the Dayvig post someone made, and Krazy said he’d make that post regardless of the actions being real or fake.

Did he say that??? I don't remember Krazy saying he would say that. It was me who made the dayvig post and it was a reference to another game where mastina dayvigged me at daystart

I think he did but now I can’t find the post.

[Alchemist21]

I mean I don’t think scum!FL gets wagoned like that Day 1.
I think Dann and SS are scum buddies.
I also think if DEB flips Scum Pops is pretty much confirmed Town via interactions.
So technically I won’t be too mad if DEB is the lynch here.
But I still think Pops and DEB are both Town here.

I love this post. Welcome to my near locktown. I just said Dann SS might be a thing in our hydra discord.

I think ali might actually be scum too.

~Past (Titus)

TBH I’d rather a Vigi if they exists to just shoot Ali.

How is this an if when you Townread me?

[Alchemist21]

It does change things. Your hipocricy interfered with my own reads, and worse, got me frustrated

Did the Daycop claim really interfere with your read that much?

[Alchemist21]

It does change things. Your hipocricy interfered with my own reads, and worse, got me frustrated

Did the Daycop claim really interfere with your read that much?

It had 0 affect on mine. I think your slot is resolvable because of vig claim and I like your current vote.

~Fu

The question was directed specifically at Pink because it’s weird to me that he let it and whatever he thought was a crumb get in the way of reading me. It lacks a certain amount of skepticism on Pink’s part that I would expect to be there as Town.

[Alchemist21]

It does change things. Your hipocricy interfered with my own reads, and worse, got me frustrated

Did the Daycop claim really interfere with your read that much?

It had 0 affect on mine. I think your slot is resolvable because of vig claim and I like your current vote.

~Fu

The question was directed specifically at Pink because it’s weird to me that he let it and whatever he thought was a crumb get in the way of reading me. It lacks a certain amount of skepticism on Pink’s part that I would expect to be there as Town.

And to clarify, I’m talking about skepticism towards TSE more than towards me. I can get behind him knowing me well enough to Townread me with confidence early on, but doing so because of a crumb (which isn’t in my meta) against his actual meta with me doesn’t add up, and there should have been a lot more skepticism at TSE’s claim if Pink were completely uninformed here.

tl;dr If Pink already knows TSE and I are both Town then it’s easier for him to have taken the claim at face value. Pops can confirm Salamence and I did the same thing with RC’s fake D1 parity cop claim in TK’s game.

[Alchemist21]

Assuming the pizzas are cut into 8 slices, I think 3 slices is a reasonable average per person so he got 24 slices for a group that needs 21.

[Alchemist21]

Yeah. Most of her posts were filler and I thought she was scum. Why the fuck did you stab the Cop?

VOTE: Elsa Jay

[Alchemist21]

Also since all my reads have been wrong so far the team is probably something like Elsa/Pink/Nancy/???

Maybe Clover or Eclipse for 4th. If Pink is scum he for sure has 1 buddy in the people who told me I was wrong when I said something about him last Day.

Elsa may also just be 3p but 2 Nights without a scumkill doesn’t make sense if that’s the case.

[Alchemist21]

Also since all my reads have been wrong so far the team is probably something like Elsa/Pink/Nancy/???

Maybe Clover or Eclipse for 4th. If Pink is scum he for sure has 1 buddy in the people who told me I was wrong when I said something about him last Day.

Elsa may also just be 3p but 2 Nights without a scumkill doesn’t make sense if that’s the case.

Are you seriously on crack? I tried to stop you woats from mislynching obvtown and you ignore my hard tr on Mastina and vig her? Yeah, you’ve definitely got a basis talk.

~Fu

Your post here is also a pretty scummy reaction to mine.

[Alchemist21]

Also since all my reads have been wrong

so far the team is probably something like Elsa/Pink/Nancy/???

Maybe Clover or Eclipse for 4th. If Pink is scum he for sure has 1 buddy in the people who told me I was wrong when I said something about him last Day.

Elsa may also just be 3p but 2 Nights without a scumkill doesn’t make sense if that’s the case.

Bingo, so no one should seriously listen to them. I otoh, told you all that TSE and Mastina was town, so who do you think ought to be listened to here? HINT: not you, not while your reads are this godawful anyway.

~Fu

If you’re Town you have no room to talk about bad reads after you forced a vig to claim D1. You also have no scum flips so you can’t go around claiming some kind of read superiority here.

[Alchemist21]

Also since all my reads have been wrong so far the team is probably something like Elsa/Pink/Nancy/???

Maybe Clover or Eclipse for 4th. If Pink is scum he for sure has 1 buddy in the people who told me I was wrong when I said something about him last Day.

Elsa may also just be 3p but 2 Nights without a scumkill doesn’t make sense if that’s the case.

Are you seriously on crack? I tried to stop you woats from mislynching obvtown and you ignore my hard tr on Mastina and vig her? Yeah, you’ve definitely got a basis talk.

~Fu

Your post here is also a pretty scummy reaction to mine.

Are you seriously town here and saying this? Legit question.

~Fu

Yes. I’m not even voting you and your acting like I must be crazy instead of thinking my paranoia is natural.

[Alchemist21]

Also since all my reads have been wrong

so far the team is probably something like Elsa/Pink/Nancy/???

Maybe Clover or Eclipse for 4th. If Pink is scum he for sure has 1 buddy in the people who told me I was wrong when I said something about him last Day.

Elsa may also just be 3p but 2 Nights without a scumkill doesn’t make sense if that’s the case.

Bingo, so no one should seriously listen to them. I otoh, told you all that TSE and Mastina was town, so who do you think ought to be listened to here? HINT: not you, not while your reads are this godawful anyway.

~Fu

If you’re Town you have no room to talk about bad reads after you forced a vig to claim D1. You also have no scum flips so you can’t go around claiming some kind of read superiority here.

I did freaking what? You were on their wagon or have you conveniently suddenly developed amnesia? And damn right, I claim superiority. I tried to save two townies and you killed two.

~Fu

Classic scum who Townread Town and tries to claim it as their reads being better.

VOTE: Past Present and Future

It’s a 3-for-1 deal today.

[Alchemist21]

How is it “natural”? It’s not even based on anything remotely logical?

This proves my point. You wouldn’t need to ask this if you actually had a Town mindset.

[Alchemist21]

And sure, I'll be the one to ask the compulsory question to Elsa:
Why would you fakeclaim vig, and how does making Alch sweat help?

Because I was bored, I haven't fake claimed in awhile, and the fact Alch legit also assumed I was a 2nd vig is also pretty telling, isn't it?

He didn't shoot me and he also didn't shoot Pops to disable me. Pretty good indication of something, atleast.

That's a fair point. Alch, why weren't you dubious of there being 2 vigs?

I’ve seen 2 vigs in a smaller Normal before.

[Alchemist21]

But was it 2 vigis with no Mafia kill in sight?

It didn’t happen but it was certainly possible as there was also a Town Doc.

[Alchemist21]

Alch really shot Mastina? Wow.

Who did you kill? Why?

~ Past

So, scum must have tr CG or considered them a threat, because why would scum kill survivor?

SS I get but why did scum consider CG such a huge threat?

~Fu

CG was Towny. It’s not hard to see why scum would kill him.

[Alchemist21]

Did you scavenge the light ammo? Or is your ammo different?

My ammo’s different.

[Alchemist21]

You mean we mislynched them, don’t you?

I was talking about the 12-p Normal. It had a vig, 1-shot vig, and Town Doc.

[Alchemist21]

Alch really shot Mastina? Wow.

Who did you kill? Why?

~ Past

So, scum must have tr CG or considered them a threat, because why would scum kill survivor?

SS I get but why did scum consider CG such a huge threat?

~Fu

CG was Towny. It’s not hard to see why scum would kill him.

Since I can’t seem to get ahold of Titus rn, mind explaining to me how your #1 is like the most bleeding obvtownslot in the entire freaking game? Like seriously, how are you town here and this bad? I seriously want to understand this.

~Fu

Simple. It’s because you’re not bleeding obvTown. Calling me bad isn’t helping you here. Lol

[Alchemist21]

where as I’m two/two correct.

No you’re not. You were wrong on SS and you were wrong on me. Your reads haven’t been perfect and there’s no use in pretending like they were.

[Alchemist21]

We obviously believed Elsa’s claim.

Here’s the thing. If you believed the claim, like I did, then why didn’t you scratch your head when it looked like they shot a claimed Cop? You didn’t care that a vig claim shot a Cop claim, you only cared that someone called you scum.

[Alchemist21]

Btw Alch, I don’t need your “help”, you know why? Because I’m not going to allow you or anyone else with tsrrible reads, hand the game to scum. And yw, because you 100% will be thanking me for this post-game.

~Fu

Lmao what “help” are you referring to? Do think I’m scum or do you think I’m bad? You can’t keep acting both ways and expect anyone to think your push on me is genuine.

[Alchemist21]

@Alch, what do you think of my reads?

~Past (Titus)

If one of them flips scum before your slot then It’s be more open to re-evaluation on your slot. However it’s not atypical for acum to throw out 3 names where 2 are Town and the 3rd is a partner.

[Alchemist21]

where as I’m two/two correct.

No you’re not. You were wrong on SS and you were wrong on me. Your reads haven’t been perfect and there’s no use in pretending like they were.

They’re still better than yours, which is why isn’t exactly hard. And stop being such a goddamned hypocrite. Do I really need to post the VCs showing which wagon you were on? HINT: SS. Also, you’re kind of being really unfair to me, because you weren’t in my position, you weren’t the one being non-stopped harassed by Ali, so if you’re going to be deliberately dense and insensitive about that, then us discussing even jack is a complete waste of time.

~Fu

I’m not being a hypocrite because I’m not the one trying to claim a non-existent god-tier read accuracy to discredit the other side.

Also, just as an aside, Nancy, I don’t blame you for getting mad at Alisae’s comment because it was definitely out of line and if they hadn’t claimed Cop I 100% would have vigged them for that alone.

[Alchemist21]

We obviously believed Elsa’s claim.

Here’s the thing. If you believed the claim, like I did, then why didn’t you scratch your head when it looked like they shot a claimed Cop? You didn’t care that a vig claim shot a Cop claim, you only cared that someone called you scum.

What are you talking about? I was initially suspicious because Or was stabbed right? but Elsa has convincingly fakeclaimed in two games now and yeah I’m annoyed because had I known that CG was actually scumkill, as opposed to a vigkill, I might have had a much better chance of saving TSE but I didn’t know that, so we’ll obviously never know now. :/

~Fu

You’re feigning confusion here because it’s the most damning point against your slot and you have no response to it.

[Alchemist21]

And if you want to be useful, how about actually answering my goddamned question before you do your blind discredit? Just an extremely helpful suggestion.

~Fu

If this is referring to 3569, the simplest way I can say it is that you lacked the skepticism towards Elsa’s apparent shot on SS that you should have as Town.

[Alchemist21]

If Dats Mist is telling the truth and this isn’t a reaction test then the most likely explanation is that they were roleblocked. I don’t think scum would go out of their way to lie about a failed vig shot like that.

[Alchemist21]

If Dats Mist is telling the truth and this isn’t a reaction test then the most likely explanation is that they were roleblocked. I don’t think scum would go out of their way to lie about a failed vig shot like that.

Why would anyone roleblock them though? They hadn’t even claimed anything prior to today, so that really makes very little sense. Why wouldn’t scum have blocked you or Elsa?

~Fu

Well I made my intention clear I was getting the walkie talkie instead of shooting, so I guess they didn't bother with me.

Or, since that kill is the mafia kill, they knew I was full of shit.

They probably also assumed that I was only 1-shot and targeted Dats Mist instead.

[Alchemist21]

UNVOTE:
I will probably end up voting you later but you're making me smile too much right now

Making someone smile is the best way to get unvotes.

[Alchemist21]

I’m open to being leashed to a range of slots, like a choice between 3 different players.

[Alchemist21]

I’m open to being leashed to a range of slots, like a choice between 3 different players.

Name them and it’s not up to you but maj consensus. That’s how leashing works.

~Fu

No. Leashing to a single slot is highly exploitable. The maj consensus picks the 3 names and I’ll choose one of them. That narrows me down to slots that most want shot but gives me room to avoid scum prs.

[Alchemist21]

UNVOTE:
I will probably end up voting you later but you're making me smile too much right now

Making someone smile is the best way to get unvotes.

I really don’t even see why you’re even making this kind of post. Are you seriously equating being likeable with being scummy?

~Fu

Not even remotely what I was implying. It was a joke that meant making people smile is a good thing.

[Alchemist21]

I wasn’t sure if there was consensus but I am ok with the pool of hectic/deb/alim

[Alchemist21]

Alimdia is just... A non-prescence in the hood completely.

"Oh Elsa-Chan I'd claim to you in our hood but then I'm scared one of us dies and someone enters the hood!"

They really said this after rolefishing CG in the hood? Lol I’ll lynch that.

VOTE: Alimdia

[Alchemist21]

Ehh.

Do me a solid and tell me the odds of scum-town starting with walkie talkies together?

CG wasn’t Town per se, he was 3p.

[Alchemist21]

I claim this planet in the name of Mars.

[Alchemist21]

Motherfucker went for the olive branch when I'm Noah and I was asked to look for allies, how not to conftown him? (for those who doesn't know: Noah sent a white dove outside the ark to see if the flood has ended, and the white dove returned with an olive branch, confirming that the dove landed somewhere so the flood was over)

That’s a funny coincidence if your claim is true.

[Alchemist21]

speaking of mech insights, I was thinking about this while I was afk: I don't think anyone claimed picking up the red herb? In addition to no one claiming the green herb at all. That likely means scum started the game with the green herb, and they fused it last night.
Leashing is meh when the mafia maybe maybe not have a protective ability but I'm really disinterested in it if the mafia have a guaranteed protective ability, so I think we should cut Alchemist loose.

I started with the green herb and I didn’t scavenge the red one. It’s useless without the red one and the red one is useless without the green so don’t worry about it.

[Alchemist21]

My tinfoil hat told me PB’s “searching for allies” claim was a Traitor crumb but it was at like 2 AM when it told me that.

[Alchemist21]

My tinfoil hat told me PB’s “searching for allies” claim was a Traitor crumb but it was at like 2 AM when it told me that.

hello

are you a serial killer?

if not, what is your take on this claimed half-vig?

Oooooooh that's a cool theory, but the traitors know who their allies are, right?

My tinfoil hat told me PB’s “searching for allies” claim was a Traitor crumb but it was at like 2 AM when it told me that.

hello

are you a serial killer?

if not, what is your take on this claimed half-vig?

It seemed crazy to me that scum would lie about being a vig but at this point I don’t trust anyone.

Oooooooh that's a cool theory, but the traitors know who their allies are, right?

Not necessarily, and the scumteam wouldn’t know who the Traitor is regardless.

[Alchemist21]

It seemed crazy to me that scum would lie about being a vig but at this point I don’t trust anyone.

yeah this slot is absolutely some brand of scum lmao.

Why is it crazy to lie about being a vig, especially with the restrictions of having to find ammo first, Alchemist?

Because I was already claimed and could shoot them.

Because they had no kill to confirm their slot and shouldn’t have been taken at their word.

Because if they continue failing to produce a kill it makes them look sus.

[Alchemist21]

i know this is incredibly basic but i honestly expected at least a token acknowledgement when i straight up ask you if you're scum

i know it's not an interesting question but you still have to say no

Well I’m not gonna say yes.

[Alchemist21]

That avi is adorable.

[Alchemist21]

I’ll place my bet on the DEB wagon.

VOTE: DEB

[Alchemist21]

Unvote. DM is a better vote.

No it’s not.

[Alchemist21]

Well now what? This is an awkward situation.

[Alchemist21]

Something stopped my kill, yes. I’m not sure why you take it as a guilty on fire though. There are 2 names that look worse here to me: DEB and Pink Ball.

[Alchemist21]

That’s assuming scum took Fire’s claim seriously.

I can easily see Fire being scum but this isn’t an incriminating thing.

And what do you mean DM lied about being roleblocked?

[Alchemist21]

Oh. Good catch, pops.

[Alchemist21]

I still want to lynch DEB.

So do I.

[Alchemist21]

Neither did I.

[Alchemist21]

You win when when your faction has reached a majority in the town or nothing can prevent this from happening, or if all third parties are removed from the game and your faction reaches equality with the town.

[Alchemist21]

I already claimed that my last night's search for a bullet failed. I have no ammo at the moment.

And sure, CoC2 was a much shorter and smaller game at the time I was less busy. Was that just a jab at my laziness or?

-D

Dats Mist (Datisi/Chemist Hydra) -- Colt Defender (

1 round loaded

)

Why bring this up now that they're dead and flipped town?

Because it shows DM lied about being roleblocked, which makes the chance of a scum roleblocker existing less likely.

[Alchemist21]

Firebringer remind me exactly how your role works again?

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Pink Ball

This or DEB. I don’t want to drag the Day out to deadline again.

[Alchemist21]

I prefer PB because that’s who my shot failed on.

[Alchemist21]

Well - it's probably that and the guilty, and the guilty is a pretty good reason.

That too, though I’m still not 100% on his claim.

[Alchemist21]

Are all the scum Attack on Titan characters?

[Alchemist21]

You guys want to all just concede? Town never wins here and the only way I lose is if all 3 of you decide to lynch me and give Mafia the win.

[Alchemist21]

Should’ve shot Ank and Dann a long time ago.

[Alchemist21]

This is very interesting indeed.

Baker, claim your shot(s) from the night before the last please.

Why do you keep asking this? It was known ahead of time DEB was going to kill Penguin with the gun he scavanged.

[Alchemist21]

Hectic, I don’t think you’re the Town player here. I think you and Cephrir organized the No Lynch together thinking/hoping I was only 1-shot BP and then no matter which way my kill fell you could have come in this Day with 2 alive and at least 1 scum.

[Alchemist21]

Yeah.

[Alchemist21]

Every kill that was blasted by lasers was mine. The Mafia kill flavors have all been “stabbed” and happened on the same Nights as my kill.

[Alchemist21]

The ease of Pink’s lynch made me sure it’s 4, and when I killed pops I did it with the mindset that pops only flipped scum if there’s 4 scum.

[Alchemist21]

No idea why he killed Cephrir over me who was confirmed town though

I forgot Fire had checked you tbh.

[Alchemist21]

There’s still the chance you’re Godfather but if it’s 1:1:1 DEB’s probably the scum.

[Alchemist21]

I’ve seen Krazy make lynchproof scum in a setup. Don’t count out anything that isn’t explicitly ruled out.

[Alchemist21]

Scum’s only winning move is to hammer me and you acting so desperate to have me lynched is what makes you look scummy.

And it doesn’t really add up that you wanted to No Lynch yesterday to avoid the Town loss but are perfectly willing to give scum the win today.

[Alchemist21]

Gonna go ahead and cross vote. DEB is Town. Hectic is scum.

VOTE: Hectic

[Alchemist21]

DEB’s a Miller and I was investigation-immune for a time when the game started. Odds of a Godfather aren’t slim.

[Alchemist21]

You could also No Lynch, hope I’m not Bulletproof anymore and that Hectic and I kill each other. That actually wins the game for Town in a 1:1:1.

[Alchemist21]

Lmao

Good game everyone!

[Alchemist21]

Alch wins my heart for being part of the greatest lylo, possibly of any game ever

<3

[Alchemist21]

I heard we’re getting this to 5000 posts.

[Alchemist21]

I thought Deb or Hectic was last scum. I legit forgot about Fire’s clear on Hectic.

When Ceph flipped I figured I needed to play Hectic and Deb against each other if there wasn’t actually 4 scum.

Deb didn’t hammer me I didn’t really have the option of playing Hectic against him and when DEB said lynching Hectic would be a win for DEB I tried to take advantage of whatever misunderstanding was there.

I didn’t bother hiding that I was SK on the last Day because in the world that had 4 scum and I was a Town vig scum would have already won on an earlier Day phase and that would have been pointed out.

Btw did you really think the olive branch thing was a crumb?

[Alchemist21]

True but I could see him thinking it was a crumb for something else.

[Alchemist21]

Some day we will be Town together again.

[Alchemist21]

Honestly the Mafia deserved the win here. They played well and my killstreak on them at the end was the only reason they lost.

[Alchemist21]

Honestly the Mafia deserved the win here. They played well and my killstreak on them at the end was the only reason they lost.

How did you forget Hectic was. a cop clear? How?

I’m really forgetful and overlook a lot of things these days. I’m not sure why but my mental state just isn’t what it used to be tbh.

[Alchemist21]

Honestly the Mafia deserved the win here. They played well and my killstreak on them at the end was the only reason they lost.

How did you forget Hectic was. a cop clear? How?

I’m really forgetful and overlook a lot of things these days. I’m not sure why but my mental state just isn’t what it used to be tbh.

Why do you think that is?

I’m not sure. Maybe because I have trouble sleeping at night and I’m always more tired than I feel. A lot of times I’m kind of stressed out too.

Just the other day I prepaid for some gas and then drove off without pumping the gas. I laughed it off because I was able to get back in time to still get it but there’s something going on with my head.

[Alchemist21]

Thanks, Nancy.