BooneyToonz UPick: Boon There, Done That [END]

[Venus and Mars]

You didn't need to make any of it public. At all.

Shiro wanted us to hardclaim right out of the gate, to see who would try to pocket us. I was opposed, because I wanted to see how we were read pre and post claim by various slots.

Had we done that, I would likely be extremely paranoid rn of anyone who was tr us but since they really didn’t have anything to gain atp, I consider them genuine and on the level.

[Venus and Mars]

That's fine. Your claim doesn't do it for me because there is nothing stopping you from asking who the Barb recipients are without revealing you can give town super cool stuff and that's why I'm asking.

If I reveal my selections, I likely put targets on their backs and risk them possibly getting NK’d and I can’t actually give out rewards per say, what I can do, if help put them in a position to win them.

Ok. Revealing you can give gifts or whatever it is, to townreads, doesn't put a target on their back?

I’m not revealing my picks and this time I don’t have to, because I, unlike LNT either have to pm Boon or post them in our hydra thread. I don’t need to make my selections public.

What I'm getting at is:

Asking who got Barbs and not outing - scum don't know who they have in their nk pool.

Asking who got barbs and outing your townreads can get a gift/ability/power but if they have a Barb you're changing it - scum nk pool is Nancy trs minus slots with poisonous barb.

Do you see how if you're town it is a bad claim?

You forget, you have no idea who my selections are and whether or not I switched them due to the barb mechanic.

Why would slots with poisonous barbs be NK targets? How does receiving one of those make someone a desirable NK target?

And sure I could also be an NK target but it’s in scum’s best interest to get me to wrongly tr them as I did Nero. Hopefully, my reads will be a lot better this time and I don’t pick scum.

[Venus and Mars]

Shiro wanted us to hardclaim right out of the gate, to see who would try to pocket us. I was opposed, because I wanted to see how we were read pre and post claim by various slots.

You yelled at me that your claim was super town and I should be townreading it.

It is, if you’re not scum or literally need a building to fall on you.

[Venus and Mars]

Disregard, that was all a bunch of bullshit and it lines up with vecna claiming and the daybreak post that I thought was.... A lot farther away. VOTE: Nancy

I really do hope you’re scum here, because if you’re not, you’re gamethrowing.

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: George Bailey BTE is also a good vote and I'm aware I'm moving away from bte but they're both scum and it doesn't really matter.

Why is BTE a good vote? And I don’t like your degree of confidence on these reads.

[Venus and Mars]

WHY

WHY IS ONE "MISLYNCH" GAMETHROWING

Good Lord almighty stop with the buzzwords. It's so disgusting.

No it’s not “disgusting” but RCE voting us is, if he’s town but his deathtunneled confibiasing on our slot, doesn’t look townie to me,

[Venus and Mars]

RCE’s vote on our slot is particularly bad, considering he was in LNT and he knows I was town in that and how this mechanic should work. I don’t feel his read on our slot is genuine.

[Venus and Mars]

I got a present

@RCE do you know the exact timelines these barbs were delivered? You’re basing this solely based on the claims. Why couldn’t the recipients received the barbs BEFORE BTE claimed?

[Venus and Mars]

RCE’s vote on our slot is particularly bad, considering he was in LNT and he knows I was town in that and how this mechanic should work. I don’t feel his read on our slot is genuine.

I get how the role works. Outing it served no purpose and is antitown is what I'm saying. You limit the nk pool to people you townread. Then you further limit it to people you townread that don't have a Barb.

Nancy read the words I am saying. Because right now it seems like you are reading every third word.

How is outing it antitown? Outing my selections would be yes but I obviously have 0 intention of doing that. You still haven’t explained to me why the barb targets are at greater risk for being NK’d?

[Venus and Mars]

I also don't buy that hardclaiming was a reaction test if you're actively trying to force one type of result.

No, it’s just the truth.

[Venus and Mars]

They all received them before bte claimed he was the one that sent them. You're missing the point.

Apparently I am, so please explain it to me like I’m 5.

[Venus and Mars]

They all received them before bte claimed he was the one that sent them. You're missing the point.

Apparently I am, so please explain it to me like I’m 5.

I still don’t see how this is relevant?

[Venus and Mars]

I also don't buy that hardclaiming was a reaction test if you're actively trying to force one type of result.

No, it’s just the truth.

What “one type of result”?

[Venus and Mars]

You're the one that brought the claim timeline up?

nani the fuck

No, RCE did, he is making some case between the BTE claim and the timing of when the recipients received the barbs and I still don’t understand what his point is.

[Venus and Mars]

I also don't buy that hardclaiming was a reaction test if you're actively trying to force one type of result.

No, it’s just the truth.

What “one type of result”?

By making people townread you for it you nullify that whole bit about wanting to see if people tr you postclaim to get their hands on whatever you send.

Why shouldn’t people tr me? I just hardclaimed and in case you’re living under a rock, I’ve been blatantly crumbing it the entire damn game.

[Venus and Mars]

They all received them before bte claimed he was the one that sent them. You're missing the point.

Apparently I am, so please explain it to me like I’m 5.

They all claimed to get the item around the same time then the boon post happened = less likely to be a scum play initiated by bte

As opposed to

George softing preemptively, then vecna and Fonz claim around the boon post = more likely a scum play initiated by bte.

I still don’t see why any of that couldn’t just be coincidence? Of course if GB and BTE actually were to flip scum, I’d obviously have to re-evaluate that.

[Venus and Mars]

If this is at all relevant, I read a few of BEF’s scumgames and he made a lot of scummy pushes in those and hard tunnely pushes in those, so he hasn’t really done that here so far. I also can’t tell how much of RCE’s read is based off of wrongly sr me and how realizing he’s wrong would impact that.

[Venus and Mars]

As far as I can tell RCE was the only one who didn't TR you anyway. Though keeping track I have not been so could be wrong.

What could be?

[Venus and Mars]

I'm p shaky at best with VnM and this claim business smells fucky.

Why would I be making this up? FACT: 3 slots tonight will be playing in the Boonus round, that I know of. You are just being bad but RCE knows what I’m saying checks out, hence why my vote is still on him.

[Venus and Mars]

The main reason I claimed was because of the whole barb thing. I didn’t remember who claimed it and I needed to know if I needed to switch my picks or not. I STILL don’t know whether or not this was necessary because I still have 0 clue what the barbs actually do.

[Venus and Mars]

Titus

Venus and Mars [Nancy Drew 39 + Shiro]

Sore feet [Xtoxm + The Worst] Xtoxm

The Fonz

Chkflip
RCEnigma Mechanic TrueSoulEnergy

Conspire [Hydra of ???? and ????]

Vecna
Davesaz
Krazy Katz [Amrun + ????]
Michael Scott [Auro + Volxen]

nomnomnom

Kakeguri Addicts [Mary Saotome + Yumeko]

Jjh927
George Bailey
BooneyToonzExpert
Chronos


Do people have good reasons to be townreading any of the people in red?

I bet the game on Titus!town. I’ve seen her scumgame and this isn’t it.

[Venus and Mars]

Titus

Venus and Mars [Nancy Drew 39 + Shiro]

Sore feet [Xtoxm + The Worst] Xtoxm

The Fonz

Chkflip
RCEnigma Mechanic TrueSoulEnergy

Conspire [Hydra of ???? and ????]

Vecna
Davesaz
Krazy Katz [Amrun + ????]
Michael Scott [Auro + Volxen]

nomnomnom

Kakeguri Addicts [Mary Saotome + Yumeko]

Jjh927
George Bailey
BooneyToonzExpert
Chronos


Do people have good reasons to be townreading any of the people in red?

I bet the game on Titus!town. I’ve seen her scumgame and this isn’t it.

I wish Amun could start playing and the other hydra partner is Krazy.

[Venus and Mars]

I’m not in favour of lynching Fonz, SF, or Nom today and Titus, probably never.

[Venus and Mars]

I'm not sure why hardclaiming it was necessary. The barb recipients were all identified if you were paying attention.
The concern about claiming endangering your TRs is valid but short-sighted/shallow. I doubt it will have much effect, other than to have painted a target on yourself.

The role by itself doesn't conftown you. There is no reason the role must be restricted to town. I think the role is town more likely than not. It's not inconceivable that someone could doubt.

I really don’t understand how anyone who played in LNT is doubting I’m town because of this. It’s seems super obvious to me that this is never a scum role. It didn’t paint a target on me in LNT and the entire playerlist knew what my role was, so why should this game be any different? It’s in scum’s interest to keep me alive and pocket me, so that I will enter them into the BR. Town just needs to have faith that my reads are better than in that game.

[Venus and Mars]

I'm not sure why hardclaiming it was necessary. The barb recipients were all identified if you were paying attention.
The concern about claiming endangering your TRs is valid but short-sighted/shallow. I doubt it will have much effect, other than to have painted a target on yourself.

The role by itself doesn't conftown you. There is no reason the role must be restricted to town. I think the role is town more likely than not. It's not inconceivable that someone could doubt.

I obviously missed it, so yeah I honestly wish now I hadn’t hardclaimed. The most annoying part of it, is woats are STILL wrongly sr me. Sorry Auro but I don’t have unlimited patience and my claim ought to have been the end of that.

[Venus and Mars]

So much for secret town reads.

I’m only responding to Vecna’s sr. Are you trying to find out who I selected?

[Venus and Mars]

I think Titus is likely town. I have had success in scumreading her in the past and tend to keep a close watch.
The Fonz doesn't seem much different from recent town games. Would like to know how he got into the red. Can't remember if I've seen him as scum.
Did Conspire fade when I fought back against their awful attempt at casing me? Worth looking at.
I don't remember seeing any of the fire from nomnom that showed up in TM. Definitely worth serious pressure.
Kakeguri Addicts had a couple of posts that I thought seemed ok. Scum!them could have put in extra effort to look townie. Very weak TR and needs to be paid attention to in any case.

I thought Nom’s posting looked townie and natural but I don’t really have a lot of experience playing with them. Fonz sounds tonally like town, plus he is solving. I don’t understand current sr on him.

[Venus and Mars]

WOATS BE GAMETHROWING LMAO

VOTE: Venus and Mars

Eat rope. I already warned you about your vernacular.

You ARE being a fucking gamethrowing woat and it’s hella stupid to vote me a hardclaimed town, just because you have a literal problem with my speaking the goddamned truth. Sorry not sorry. Don’t sign up for any of my games until you fucking buy a clue.

[Venus and Mars]

Flail harder over two votes. Use more buzzwords.

Your claim for town points is trash and so is your gameplay.

You really wanna keep insulting me?

I can't wait to watch you AtE over this post.

You’re voting me for calling you that and ignoring my obviously townplay in addition

to hardclaiming a role that makes 0 sense as a scum role

. It was a GENERAL comment btw but yeah, you totally do deserve it now because of my claim. I’m obviously not scum here and I’m seriously wondering if you’re trying to get revenge on me for last game. I hate to even entertain that possibility but you’re literally ignoring how blatantly obvtown my play is here. ISO ANY one of my scumgames and honestly tell me, I’m playing remotely similar here. I fucking dare you.

[Venus and Mars]

I also hardclaim town.

I didn’t just hardclaim town, I hardclaimed town pr. If you’re town, you wouldn’t be voting me because unlike chk, you know I’m not bsing here and my claim is legit and I don’t believe how anyone who played in LNT could possibly believe orherwise,

[Venus and Mars]

I insulted you and genuinely apologized. I won't do it again. But your play? How you ObVtOwNeD mOrE oBv ThAn ThE tOwNiEsT oF tOwNsViLlE? Nah, fam. Anti-town call at best. Just like the bomb. Only UNLIKE that game, you just don't seem to stop. Or apologize for insulting the way people play the game. Also anti-town. And I GET IT. Nobody gets it more than I do, sunshine. Nobody. I don't give a FUCK about appearing town.

But WHAT actual solving have you attempted since RCE voted you?

But WHAT have you done PERIOD that isn't insult, shade, and flail?

Nothing.

Absolutely. Fucking. Nothing.

I won't insult you, Mars. No. Much worse. I'm going to tunnelfuck. I'm going to case. I'm going to call out every line of BULLSHIT I see until I've successfully removed your slot from this fucking game.

I'm tired of being insulted.

I'm tired of watching my fellow players be insulted.

I'm tired of the disuse of shiny buzzwords that you think make you sound right.

It's assenine.

Your play is trash.

And I'm not going to fucking stop until one of us is gone.

So you don’t actually think I’m scum but you’re willing to policy lynch an important town role, just because I’ve offended you? Is this correct? Sure looks like it.

[Venus and Mars]

The role by itself doesn't conftown you. There is no reason the role must be restricted to town. I think the role is town more likely than not. It's not inconceivable that someone could doubt.

Yes chk, I’m beyond frustrated with you not seeing the obvious and literally needing a building to fall on you. You’d also be frustrated in my position and yes I know it’s not the same as my bombing you but fmpov, it’s only really different in degrees. Is there any way I can get through to you? I don’t believe so and you would be uberpissed with me if the situation was reversed and you fucking know it! So stop acting like a goddamned hypocrite ffs!

[Venus and Mars]

You flailed exactly like this in Jester.

I'm calling you scum.

A) I’m not “flailing”
B) You literally said the exact same thing to me last game.
C) Do I really need to remind you that you also accused Drew of that?

Even if you’re not 109% convinced I’m town, my role as Dave pointed out, is more likely than not a town role and afaik, there is no backup for it, so yes, you ARE literally gamethrowing by voting me.

And I mean it when I say I don’t want you to sign up for any of my games because I don’t want to play with any player who intentionally gamethrows like that.

[Venus and Mars]

Wagon me. See how not pissed I get.

You know who cares about being wagoned?

I'll give you one guess big dog in the yard.

Is this some bizarre reaction test to determine if I anywhere as bad as you? Not that you totally wouldn’t 100% deserve it but I don’t gamethrow - unlike - did you guess YOU?

[Venus and Mars]

I think the role is town more likely than not.

[Venus and Mars]

I think the role is town more likely than not.

See chk, I know how to use large font too.

[Venus and Mars]

In the event you flip town, which I sincerely fucking doubt, mafia doesn't immediately win the game. This ain't lylo honey bunny it's D1 and if you're a town pr it's non-essential to the strength of town. There's already tons of little candies going around. IF YOU'RE TOWN, WHICH I SO VERY DOUBT BY YOUR PLAY,

you're nothing more than a floating turd

with more write-up bullshit associated with it. Which doesn't confirm your color only your card. You giving scum buddies more goodies because you "townread" them don't mean a fucking thing to me. The game goes on with or without you.

That's literally the opposite of GAMETHROWING.

GAMETHROWING would be me allowing you and the rest of the alphabet townies in the last game lynch what WAS OBVTOWN BECAUSE I HAD NIGHT PROOF TO FUCKING SHOW IT.

That would've been GAMETHROWING.

Bolding the part that’s relevant. I did warn you.
Learn what your buzzwords actually mean.

I still don't see you scumhunting. Only defend, shade, flail.

[Venus and Mars]

In the event you flip town, which I sincerely fucking doubt, mafia doesn't immediately win the game. This ain't lylo honey bunny it's D1 and if you're a town pr it's non-essential to the strength of town. There's already tons of little candies going around. IF YOU'RE TOWN, WHICH I SO VERY DOUBT BY YOUR PLAY,

you're nothing more than a floating turd

with more write-up bullshit associated with it. Which doesn't confirm your color only your card. You giving scum buddies more goodies because you "townread" them don't mean a fucking thing to me. The game goes on with or without you.

That's literally the opposite of GAMETHROWING.

GAMETHROWING would be me allowing you and the rest of the alphabet townies in the last game lynch what WAS OBVTOWN BECAUSE I HAD NIGHT PROOF TO FUCKING SHOW IT.

That would've been GAMETHROWING.

Bolding the part that’s relevant. I did warn you.
Learn what your buzzwords actually mean.

I still don't see you scumhunting. Only defend, shade, flail.

Calling someone a “woat” isn’t attacking their character. Otoh, calling someone a “floating turd” is and I have no sympathies. I literally warned you twice already.

[Venus and Mars]

And don’t bother apologizing to me this time. A) It’s too late anyhow and B) I won’t believe you.

[Venus and Mars]

So assuming there's a bonus round and it's random except for your picks, it's not like it's necessarily the end of the world right? You're making an assumption that your picks are golden.
I don't like panic reactions when unnecessary.

I certainly hope that’s the case, yes.

[Venus and Mars]

I don't want to read this
Chk they're more likely town from other stuff, leave claim aside, as jjh said. Any chance you can just ignore them?

If I scumread Nancy and was pushing her I'd just ignore her slot, no offense Nancy

None taken. I can’t speak for RCE but I honestly think chk can’t get beyond his grudge for my bombing him last game and is literally ignoring every possible sign that I’m town, because he literally wants me to be scum here and based on his reasoning for his vote, he simply doesn’t give a fuck and he’s literally willing to gamethrow to achieve that PL on me if he could.

[Venus and Mars]

Nancy just ignore him in turn please.

I am dead serious about blacklisting him. Whatever issues he may have with me over the bombing thing, that is never ever a valid reason to gamethrow and mislynch a slot that he has good reason to believe is flipping town pr.

[Venus and Mars]

One mislynch isn't a gamethrow, it's just part of the game, Nancy.

It is 100% gamethrowing, unfortunately I can only prove the abuse part but yes it is because he made it abundantly clear he is trying to achieve a pl on me and that is defacto gamethrowing but the disgusting thing is he will 100% get away with it.

[Venus and Mars]

He believes you're scum though. Please don't threaten blacklists for being scumread!

If I was doing that, I would also say that to RCE. I’m blacklisting him for intentional gamethrowing by very obviously trying to push a pl on me. RCE isn’t advocating any sort of pl on me, that’s the difference.

[Venus and Mars]

Have you ever mislynched someone before?

Honestly no offense but what part of he’s blatantly trying to get me pl’d did you miss?

[Venus and Mars]

I insulted you and genuinely apologized. I won't do it again. But your play? How you ObVtOwNeD mOrE oBv ThAn ThE tOwNiEsT oF tOwNsViLlE? Nah, fam. Anti-town call at best. Just like the bomb. Only UNLIKE that game, you just don't seem to stop. Or apologize for insulting the way people play the game. Also anti-town. And I GET IT. Nobody gets it more than I do, sunshine. Nobody. I don't give a FUCK about appearing town.

But WHAT actual solving have you attempted since RCE voted you?

But WHAT have you done PERIOD that isn't insult, shade, and flail?

Nothing.

Absolutely. Fucking. Nothing.

I won't insult you, Mars. No. Much worse. I'm going to tunnelfuck. I'm going to case. I'm going to call out every line of BULLSHIT I see until I've successfully removed your slot from this fucking game.

I'm tired of being insulted.

I'm tired of watching my fellow players be insulted.

I'm tired of the disuse of shiny buzzwords that you think make you sound right.

It's assenine.

Your play is trash.

And I'm not going to fucking stop until one of us is gone.

He isn’t sr me, he’s punishing me for last game.

[Venus and Mars]

He said he thinks you're scum and he's going to case you - why are you calling that a PL?

I also don’t want to play with anyone who thinks it’s ever acceptable to call anyone a “floating turd”.

[Venus and Mars]

And how come you're ignoring that he could be scum pushing your lynch which would actually be +wincon for him anyway?

It’s obviously possible but I’d honestly like to think someone wouldn’t be capable of such vile play as scum. I know I would feel like utter crap if I ever treated anyone like that as scum, not remotely saying it’s at all acceptable if he’s town but it’s just very difficult to believe someone would stoop that low as scum.

[Venus and Mars]

I also don’t want to play with anyone who thinks it’s ever acceptable to call anyone a “floating turd”.

I can see that, I agree.
However you should realize that calling people "woats" is not very different from calling them "floating turds".

Woats is NOT an attack on anyone’s character, where as calling someone a “floating turd” actually is.

[Venus and Mars]

This is pretty obvious tvt betwen VaM/Chp.

I dislike RCE's stance and how he handled the whole situation. I was gonna do a giant wall post but me and my partner have disagreements so I'm here instead.
~Mary

I think KA is town. Adding to my not today lynch pile. Yeah @Auro, also agree on GB.

[Venus and Mars]

Woats is NOT an attack on anyone’s character

I fully understand how you mean it when you use the term, but I don't think people on the receiving end perceive it that way.

Criticizing someone’s gameplay is not a personal attack. Calling someone a “floating turd” has zilch to do with my gameplay and is a personal attack and I literally warned him not once but twice.

[Venus and Mars]

I'm calling you scum.

My next post will be a full case.

You don't like being told what you think, right?
You're doing the same here Nancy
He said he's scumreading you and will case you, yet you're saying he doesn't and he's policy lynching you.

No, I’m basing that on what he posted. I honestly believe had I not bombed him in last game, he wouldn’t be voting me here.

[Venus and Mars]

If you reported my post for calling your role a floating turd, I can't even

Solid continuation of AtE though. Top form.

I'm busy rn but fr fr next post is a case.

You called ME that. Do I literally need to requote that post?

[Venus and Mars]

Every other part of that post is discussion about your role homie.

If you can't realize it should read "your role" which my phone auto-corrected in haste then I can't help you.

Just goes to show you can insult the fuck out of people (woat, bad town, moron, etc) but can't possibly be the kettle called black.

I didn't insult you. I was saying your role isn't all that special.

BUT WOULD YOU LOOK AT THAT THE WORDS PEOPLE USE MATTER.

Go figure.

Where did I call anyone a “moron” in this game and you literally attacked my character earlier so why should I believe you weren’t doing that this time?

[Venus and Mars]

You mean his lackadaisical attitude towards sorting me despite it being his priority?

I'll be able to actually sort Titus when she really gets into it.

Once again completely misrepresenting what I said.

Fuck outta here with that trash.

What part of your posts even remotely looks like you're attempting anything but bullshit shade?

Go ahead.

I'll wait.

@chk? How tf am I a null to both of you here? What have I been doing that is even remotely different here than in the last game?

You were on top of that game like flies to shit. You seem... less than here.

Idk what part of me saying you need to be more careful with your blanket statements of telling people they're bad at mafia means

I was doing anything more than calling out your lack of fucking character.

Y'all really want me to be an asshole.

You'll get it if this dogshit continues.

Here again, re: the bolded, tell me why you’d expect me not to think you were literally attacking my character.

[Venus and Mars]

I would support you Mary :3

You really think jjh is scum?

[Venus and Mars]

The claim doesn't matter

all the Nancy telling people what they should think even though it's not what people think shit doesn't matter either

That hydra is just town outside of the bullshit

@Auro, does this honestly read like a scum post to you?

[Venus and Mars]

Btw chk, I look fwd to your “case”. I can’t wait to smash it into pieces.

[Venus and Mars]

Yeah, I'm just here for tonight. A giant wall post on our combined reads will be here later tonight or tomorrow thankfully. Consider me just a warm-up
~Mary
pedit: Nancy, if you have a problem with him please take it up with the mod. Honestly, this line is going to solve no problems.

I already did, I just need to wait for them to respond. I think things will look extremely bad for RCE once I’m flipped. As for chk, he will just be mega embarrassed.

[Venus and Mars]

I mean, "worst of all time" sort of implies they're the worst of all time

IN A GAME, just like GOAT means the greatest of all time - IN A GAME. They use those terms on MU all the time and they’re much much stricter about insults on there then they are on MS.

[Venus and Mars]

I apologized for that and you accepted the apology.

You do love unapologetically calling me and others stupid in flowery little ways, though.

2003 and again in 2060 - "literally need a building to fall on you." Insinuating RCE is / I'm stupid.

2028 - "In case you're living under a rock" calling RCE stupid.

2050 "a fucking gamwthrowing woat" calling me stupid.

2063 "anywhere as bad as you?" attacking my character.

I apologized for attacking you as a person.

I've done no such thing again.

You won't fucking stop attacking people with AtE attached and now you've reported me? After I've constantly asked you to stop? After YOU won't apologize for insulting ME and OTHER PLAYERS in this game?

Scum baiting.

None of that is in the same ballpark as you literally attacking my character earlier and then you calling me a “floating turd”.

Is this seriously your entire case on me? My calling people “woats”? ISO any towngame of mine and claim how any of this is scum indicative?

If this is actually a serious “case”, then what’s stopping you - I mean other than the 100% fact, that you will be proven wrong.

[Venus and Mars]

I apologized for that and you accepted the apology.

You do love unapologetically calling me and others stupid in flowery little ways, though.

2003 and again in 2060 - "literally need a building to fall on you." Insinuating RCE is / I'm stupid.

2028 - "In case you're living under a rock" calling RCE stupid.

2050 "a fucking gamwthrowing woat" calling me stupid.

2063 "anywhere as bad as you?" attacking my character.

I apologized for attacking you as a person.

I've done no such thing again.

You won't fucking stop attacking people with AtE attached and now you've reported me? After I've constantly asked you to stop? After YOU won't apologize for insulting ME and OTHER PLAYERS in this game?

Scum baiting.

None of that is in the same ballpark as you literally attacking my character earlier and then you calling me a “floating turd”.

Is this seriously your entire case on me? My calling people “woats”? ISO any towngame of mine and claim how any of this is scum indicative?

If this is actually a serious “case”, then what’s stopping you - I mean other than the 100% fact, that you will be proven wrong.

2063 was specifically referring to your GAMEPLAY. NEVER even fucking once have I attacked yours or anyone else’s character. Wisdom always said to people whom he considered to be making bad votes, “stop being

bad

”. That is in no way a character attack. Look it tf up, if you think I’m making shit up. You just keep throwing crap out there and seeing what sticks, yet you never ever bother checking out if your opinions on my play, have an actual basis in fact.

[Venus and Mars]

Let's also point out that Venus (you didn't think I'd forget about you, did you buddy?) plays to this as well in 1001. He not only tries to remind you of what he did last game, but he openly mocks that his lack of playing used to be a scum tell. Are we sure it still isn't?

He also straight up role fishes in 1409 and 1410 by asking questions town absolutely has no business knowing the answers to at this point in the game.

For not forgetting lil ol me.

To the point now
Yup, we were together last game I was town and low posting. That is why I stopped soloing.

As for the your second point. Take it as you want, I was not role fishing I wanted that info to make certain of my assesmsnt I could care less what the roles themselves were. I just wanted to know who actually got what they wanted not what the wanted. Imo that would help resolve the alignemnt/ roles and which came first thing.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Last but not least, cognitive dissonance. In 666 and 741 she openly calls Vecna town for his openness and posting. Then, when the Vecna wagon began, that drops without warning in 801 and then full swing in 897, 899, and the icing on the cake with 901 where she literally quotes the posts she was town-reading Vecna for in 666 and 741. This isn't just a town read transitioning into a scum read. There's literally no transition and no fucks given throughout. She then jumps off as she sees the wagon dying to fall back on, what, the fourth? Fifth OMGUS vote?

180ing reads isnt that uncommon and for the fall back it is mostly because I told her that I find Vecna town based on my reasoning that role =/= alignment.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Oh let alone that I didnt go out of my way to do it but answer a question about it(Lowq posting thing)

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Shading - 306, 311, 390, 415, 417, 428, 435, 438, 734, 753, 787, 1715
This isn't even all of them. What's particularly important about this point is that most (if not all) of the shading comes from the fact that people dare scum read her in the slightest. What's more? 306 is her very first post in the game. Shading right out of the gate and, again, this is only the dozen times I found it to be particularly scum-driven due to the incessant need to get any and all scum vibes off of her 100% immediately. Why? What's the town play here to this degree? Do note that this is also absolutely ALL she's doing since myself and RCE have had the audacity to vote her.

Over Defensive - 306, 388, 397, 617, 771, 773
Again a repeat of above but this is what I found most telling since the recent wagon. You'll notice I'm linking a similar post -- her first one -- as it does go hand in hand with the above. There are notable instances, however, where she barks people down without shading them so I felt it necessary to differentiate the two. Same questions as above though because this does not a town slot make.

I find it hard to believe that you have never seen over defensive people, especially when they are very adamant that it should be obvious they are town yet people don't see it. It can kick a knee jerk reaction.

For the same reason I believe that is why she keeps saying she is town. I discussed that with her yesterday. That is a character trait not alignment trait.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

The linked posts are before any of that happened at all, actually, and the two of you did my favorite hydra thing by agreeing then disagreeing then agreeing with yourself. FUCKING love hydra dissonance. Isn't confusing at all.

This isn't about you coming in and saying lolno; this is the out-of-nowhere abrupt change that ONLY MARS MADE that just so happened to coincide with the gamestate at the time. No slow burn. No I think you're right. Straight from "Vecna is town" to "Vecna is scum" for literally the same exact posts. She quotes them in 901. She called them town not 300 posts prior with zero inclination of "huh I think x is right about this."

That's cognitive dissonance at its finest homie.

She needed to get off that garbage vote she was hanging onto and snuck right into the Vecna wagon.

Not today champ.

Hydra's are fun like that

And I dunno I have done that before without even realising because when reading again something new info clicks it differently. If anything scum tend to be more careful not to do that. Town is far more liekly to abruptly change their mind on something because they care less how they appear.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

For the record on the premature claimign thing. I am actually unaware that we claimed XD Did we? I find it funny if we did cause I actually told her to public claim our role on start of the day

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

As for the your second point. Take it as you want, I was not role fishing I wanted that info to make certain of my assesmsnt I could care less what the roles themselves were. I just wanted to know who actually got what they wanted not what the wanted. Imo that would help resolve the alignemnt/ roles and which came first thing.

~Venus

No that's actually not what you did whatsoever.

I think everyone that didn't get what they wanted should claim what they asked for.

~Venus

To what end is this not an attempt at role fishing by asking what people's choices were, exactly?

Furthermore what's the town motivation in asking this question to begin with?

Figure out if alignment came first and role afterwards. I already said so. See if we found that a certain % of people didnt get what they asked and then we found out a connection between alignment and roles we could potential find out if someone who wanted to be town for example was rejected a town role meanin gthey have a higher chance of being scum. You get me?

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

It seemed like a good idea at the time. We had Vecna with an anti town role which made if much much less likely that role alignment but if say someone picked a cop role and that was their only choice and got something completly differnet and then using the rest of the clues found out that there is a role/alignment connection.

Bam potential scum

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

That's cute. It's still fucking role fishing.

And I dunno I have done that before without even realising because when reading again something new info clicks it differently. If anything scum tend to be more careful not to do that. Town is far more liekly to abruptly change their mind on something because they care less how they appear.

~Venus

What you're describing is putting what happened incredibly lightly. There's a difference between "I forgot I was town reading Vecna" and "Vecna is both town and scum for the exact same posts."

Those aren't the same thing and you saying they are is pretty telling tbh.

Welp I didnt see it that way, I mean it isnt like I asked for their role just what they didnt get.


*Shrug*

She will have to clarify that then.

P.edit

I have to sleep but I will absolutely continue this when I wake up.

Make a decision, town.

By all means, I prefer it so much more when people directly engage me, it helps me actually play.
~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Is there anything urgent I need to read in the explosion of posts last night? I just want to play with poisonous inactivated barbs. What could go wrong?

I will give you cookies if you read it all ^_^

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

TL;DR scroll to the bolded bullet points

Let me open by making something perfectly clear. I've no qualms with Mars as a person. I've not mentioned anything revolving her personal life no matter how many times she decides to AtE and bring it up. There was a slight reach in aggression on my part that she has very ironically brought back up to push another AtF agenda after accepting an apology for it, but regardless of what she'd like you to believe? This isn't actually about that either.

My name is chkflip and this is exactly why I believe Mars is scum.

Shading

- 306, 311, 390, 415, 417, 428, 435, 438, 734, 753, 787, 1715
This isn't even all of them. What's particularly important about this point is that most (if not all) of the shading comes from the fact that people dare scum read her in the slightest. What's more? 306 is her very first post in the game. Shading right out of the gate and, again, this is only the dozen times I found it to be particularly scum-driven due to the incessant need to get any and all scum vibes off of her 100% immediately. Why? What's the town play here to this degree? Do note that this is also absolutely ALL she's doing since myself and RCE have had the audacity to vote her.

Over Defensive

- 306, 388, 397, 617, 771, 773
Again a repeat of above but this is what I found most telling since the recent wagon. You'll notice I'm linking a similar post -- her first one -- as it does go hand in hand with the above. There are notable instances, however, where she barks people down without shading them so I felt it necessary to differentiate the two. Same questions as above though because this does not a town slot make.

I'll ignore her insults just like she does, but that also appears in 405, 420, 428, 435, 438, 439, 440 (seriously three in a fucking row), 443, and 1338. I'm sure she'll cherry pick the one that "isn't insulting" just like she did above but hey. It's there. You can see it. When she can't shade... when she can't flex... she insults. I haven't seen this level of behavior in anybody over the years of being here at this magnitude. Sure, Internet Stranger would call me a "dong-slurping panty waist" or something more derogatory, or people like FATE and RECK get particularly under one's skin, but they don't do it like this as either alignment. And this didn't happen last game to the degree it's happening all over this thread. There was a spat with 50 -- whatever -- but she didn't look at every slot that "incorrectly" read her and went down the line on them. This isn't town meta. But we'll get to that very important point soon.

She's town! Remember! She's town!

390, 438, 442, 595, 616, 621, 744, 747, 749, 751, 770, 779, 784, 787, 793, 796, 1364, 1468, 1715 -- again, stopped keeping track.

What town has to make sure they remind you 19+ times how town they are? The kicker here is that the first time she did it wasn't even that many posts into the game for her. It's an agenda. You'll town read her or else. Town doesn't do that.

Now, the more important parts. The real meat and potatoes for all the butter on top of this post.

Aware of Town Meta

- 737, 739, 747, 779, 784
I think it should go without saying but I'll say it anyway. Scum players -- the good ones, at least -- recognize their town meta. They play to it. And this is me nodding that, yes, Mars is fairly competent as scum because she knows exactly how to play to you. She outlines it here. She's purposefully adapting to what she absolutely knows is her town meta so that she can glide through the early phases of this game. Top that with a viably non-threatening claim and she can easily continue these antics throughout most if not all of the rest of the game. She's playing you.

Let's also point out that Venus (you didn't think I'd forget about you, did you buddy?) plays to this as well in 1001. He not only tries to remind you of what he did last game, but he openly mocks that his lack of playing used to be a scum tell. Are we sure it still isn't?

He also straight up

role fishes

in 1409 and 1410 by asking questions town absolutely has no business knowing the answers to at this point in the game.

Mars

calls Vecna to scum hunt when he's under preasure

in 1476 but only does so herself recently after I call her out on it.

Now, here are the final two and frankly most important parts of this case. For the thing she's calling herself lockobvonehundoabsolutelytown over? Her role? Even her partner agrees in 330 and 1405 that role =/= alignment. Her role absolutely does not mean she's town.

Last but not least,

cognitive dissonance

. In 666 and 741 she openly calls Vecna town for his openness and posting. Then, when the Vecna wagon began, that drops without warning in 801 and then full swing in 897, 899, and the icing on the cake with 901 where she literally quotes the posts she was town-reading Vecna for in 666 and 741. This isn't just a town read transitioning into a scum read. There's literally no transition and no fucks given throughout. She then jumps off as she sees the wagon dying to fall back on, what, the fourth? Fifth OMGUS vote?

Oh. And she obviously didn't "learn from prematurely claiming" last game as she said in 1396 from "scum rolefishing"... She's literally doing everything she can think of to repeat her town games.

Nobody goes out of their way to do all that as town.

Venus and Mars are scum.

I’m not even going to waste my time reading this. You suck at reading me, when are you going to get that through your thick skull?

A) I’ve obvtown by play.
B)I’m a hardclaimed town pr and you are gamethrowing because unless you have intell that my role has a backup, you are essentially gamethrowing.
C)I am so unbelievably so far our of my scumrange by this point, it’s ridiculous and anyone who either has meta on me or does an extensive metacheck on me, can 100% confirm this to be true.

Stop being bad and actually make even a tiny modicum of effort, in actually trying to back up your opinions or you are 100% deserving of that w title.

[Venus and Mars]

I also hardclaim town.

I didn’t just hardclaim town, I hardclaimed town pr. If you’re town, you wouldn’t be voting me because unlike chk, you know I’m not bsing here and my claim is legit and I don’t believe how anyone who played in LNT could possibly believe orherwise,

How can you call me scum when I hardclaimed town?

I was doubting my read until you persisted in in essentially ignoring all of the evidence debunking your read on me and refused to entertain that I might be wrong about you, rather than scum. I also thought your barb theory reminded me a bit of MG but you have also known to be moonlogicky as town as well. Re: fake role pm gate in LNT, so I dunno. What I do know is that town!RC wouldn’t be deathtunelling me here and ignoring all of the vast evidence pointing to me being bleeding obvtown here - especially since you were in LNT and have 0 reason to assume that I’m lying about my role.

[Venus and Mars]

Chkflip locktown :3

I wouldn’t threaten to blacklist him if I thought he was scum here, I’d actually give him props.

[Venus and Mars]

The linked posts are before any of that happened at all, actually, and the two of you did my favorite hydra thing by agreeing then disagreeing then agreeing with yourself. FUCKING love hydra dissonance. Isn't confusing at all.

This isn't about you coming in and saying lolno; this is the out-of-nowhere abrupt change that ONLY MARS MADE that just so happened to coincide with the gamestate at the time. No slow burn. No I think you're right. Straight from "Vecna is town" to "Vecna is scum" for literally the same exact posts. She quotes them in 901. She called them town not 300 posts prior with zero inclination of "huh I think x is right about this."

That's cognitive dissonance at its finest homie.

She needed to get off that garbage vote she was hanging onto and snuck right into the Vecna wagon.

Not today champ.

Which one of us ever lockscum read Vecna? I want to see the quotes and FYI, changing one’s reads makes youva good player - something YOU really ought to think about - not scummy, so long as you have logically valid reasons for doing so.

[Venus and Mars]

As for the your second point. Take it as you want, I was not role fishing I wanted that info to make certain of my assesmsnt I could care less what the roles themselves were. I just wanted to know who actually got what they wanted not what the wanted. Imo that would help resolve the alignemnt/ roles and which came first thing.

~Venus

No that's actually not what you did whatsoever.

I think everyone that didn't get what they wanted should claim what they asked for.

~Venus

To what end is this not an attempt at role fishing by asking what people's choices were, exactly?

Furthermore what's the town motivation in asking this question to begin with?

To determine the alignment based off of motivation. My brain is seriously hurting.

[Venus and Mars]

You don't come in swinging with shade, disrespect, AtE etc et al from post one and never stop. No.

And any of that makes me scum, how? When players are as dig-their-heels-in-bury-their-heads-in-the-sand-don’t-confuse-me-with-the-facts, it’s extremely difficult not to get exasperated by that - why? - because you essentially refuse to goddamned fucking listen! and after I hardclaimed tpr, you STILL vote me and if you were to actually THINK about it for even one goddalned minute, you’d realize:

A)I have been consistently mindmelding with on reads this game.
B) In Mime I pushed you as scum, eventhough you were obviously town in that. Am I doing that here? Did I take your stupid bait and wagon you? Hell no, because I honestly don’t think you’re scum here.
C)ISO me in any of my more traditional scumgames where I actually played well. The difference in my play here will knock you down like a ton of bricks.

I honestly don’t know why I’m even wasting my time with this. Whatever.

[Venus and Mars]

I don't want anything to do with the chk vs Nancy argument. I think I it's most likely TvT, but I'm more confident in chk town, and if forced to pick between them I will. I agree that basically everything chk brings up is really unpleasant to play with in terms of the defensiveness, the need to be TR, the accusing any disagreement of being awful play. I just think that's Nancy. At least, Nancy in current headspace. The only bit I think might be AI is the bit near the end about Vecna.

chk simply doesn't lay his ass on the line like that if he ain't town.

@Titus, would you strongly object to being passed a barb? I clarified with Boon that me being passed it wasn't it being used on me, and me passing it isn't me using it either. I feel there's some town utility in testing your role, and you may (do not comment here on whether you can or not) be able to make it loyal, disloyal or desperate in a way that helps confirm alignment down the road. I don't want you not to receive anything, and I don't want Nancy to have to declare where she's sending. Certain things you said about me in your post, really hurts my feelings and I think is really unfair to me.

I KNOW I’m a mislynch and I strongly think chk is too, so lynching either of us helps scum, so you don’t want to do that.

OTOH there is a risk that passing the barb might mean one or other of us gets pricked in the handover.

I don’t understand what you mean by “forced to choose between them”? I’m not sr chk, nor am I pushing him. He’s the one attempting to mislynch a hardclaimed tpr! I KNOW I’m town and I strongly suspect chk is as well, so if you don’t want to mislynch, you should never vote either of us. Some of what you said about me in your post really hurts my feelings and is extremely unfair to me, especially because I honestly didn’t expect this from you.

[Venus and Mars]

Have you ever mislynched someone before?

Honestly no offense but what part of he’s blatantly trying to get me pl’d did you miss?

It really doesnt look like a policy lynch to me. Stop overreacting, just let it be. Its not like were gonna be listening to him and this nonsense is just making the game harder to read (for us poor people that already have a hard time keeping up)

I’m not overreacting, he is literally trying to mislynch a hardclaimed tpr. I wouldn’t react so strongly if I was just a vt in this game but that is really beyond bad of him.

[Venus and Mars]

This is pretty obvious tvt betwen VaM/Chp.

I dislike RCE's stance and how he handled the whole situation. I was gonna do a giant wall post but me and my partner have disagreements so I'm here instead.
~Mary

I think KA is town. Adding to my not today lynch pile. Yeah @Auro, also agree on GB.

I thought this line was one of those easy easy takes to take as scum. Everyone can see whats happening here. Maybe im just biased because of poe stuff

Who are you referring to - us or KA and what is the “easy take” you’re referring to? I can’t comment more on this, until you clarify who and what specifically you’re referring to.

[Venus and Mars]

Woats is NOT an attack on anyone’s character

I fully understand how you mean it when you use the term, but I don't think people on the receiving end perceive it that way.

Criticizing someone’s gameplay is not a personal attack. Calling someone a “floating turd” has zilch to do with my gameplay and is a personal attack and I literally warned him not once but twice.

Its rather mild though right? Id really advise you not to get upset over stuff like that on the internet. Its really more of a term of endearment, AND in the context it was posted in it was also talking about your play IN CASE YOU WERE TOWN. So it was criticizing your GAMEPLAY.

Toughen up. Less drama. Better game.

Yes, I could see that as possible and maybe I did jump the gun on that?

[Venus and Mars]

Chkflip locktown :3

Been saying that. Gonna be hard to not form a slightly more critical mind about venus after that wall

chk’s alignment has zilch to do with the accuracy of his read on me. Read my games and listen to those who actually have a freaking clue how to read me here. If you don’t want to mislynch, you should never listen to chk’s reads on me.

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: Krazy Katz

Why KK? They were’nt even in your red list?

[Venus and Mars]

Looney Toons

Vote Count 1.06

Davesaz [5]:

The Fonz, Kakeguri Addicts, Conspire, Michael Scott, Krazy Katz

RCEnigma [2]:

Chronos, Venus and Mars

Kakeguri Addicts [2]:

Nomnomnom, GeorgeBailey

Venus and Mars [2]:

RCEnigma, Chkflip

GeorgeBailey [1]:

Jjh927,

BooneyToonzExpert [1]:

Titus,

Krazy Katz [1]:

Vecna,

Conspire [1]:

Davesaz

Not Voting [2]: BooneyToonzExpert, sore feet

With

17

alive, it takes

9

to execute.

Day 1

ends in (expired on 2020-03-25 21:00:00) on

March 25th

.

Mod Notes:

Don’t be outta pocket.

RCEnigma is the new Mechanic/TrueSoulEnergy.

Going to try and get a vote count EVERY night rather than every other night starting here.

Anyone playing Animal Crossing?

What is Animal Crossing?

[Venus and Mars]

And I wouldn't mediate as town?
Name a slot that isn't taking a position that Chk/VM are TvT.

Me.

You might as town but the strategy went over really well for Skitter in TM and that's a fresh wound. Just considering all angles at this point. I'll look into it further when I have the energy.

I really don’t think Auro does the fake dayvig thing as scum, he is usually a lot more careful and strategic as scum.

[Venus and Mars]

Also I've only seen slots with positive reads on chronos and enough trs on Nancy that I'm going to ask everyone generally, why exactly?

General reasons are fine but directly quotable examples are preferred.

Specifically auro you've said there are plenty of reasons to tr Nancy but haven't given anything specific. So talk to me about that a bit.

He did ask you why you were so certain I couldn’t be wrong about you, rather than scum, which you still have yet to answer.

[Venus and Mars]

I'd mediate as either alignment.

I think I have a couple of tells for Nancy (which I need to verify) but won't out. One of them is in her reactions towards Chk. The other in her general posting.

I'm stronger in Chk being town, though.

I got some pings Nancy might have been coached

.

Dafuq? The only person in this game, I’ve talked to besides of course Boon, is obviously Shiro. If I was being “coached”, you seriously think there would be two votes on me D1? Please don’t make me doubt my strong tr on you Auro.

[Venus and Mars]

Coached? That's interesting actually, talk about that.

Yes, I’d love to hear more about that as well, because if I had a “coach” in this game, I would have fired them already.

[Venus and Mars]

I remember they were mechanics related, but have to search through 3 pages of ISO >.>

I'll dig them up if I suspect her of being scum.

Can talk about any other slot.

No, don’t wait, dig them up now. I really want to hear this theory.

[Venus and Mars]

I got some pings Nancy might have been coached.

nancy isnt getting coached, shes a power scum
im interested who in list you think would be coaching nancy, though

I’m neither getting coached nor am I scum. Are you seriously sr me here?

[Venus and Mars]

@sore feet: Not coached in the classical sense of how to frame posts, etc, but I felt like she had a discussion about mechanics at some point given the sense of clarity I was getting from her.
Usually as town I've seen her be a lot more unsure about mechanical elements.

What elements? Do you think I don’t understand my role or what?

[Venus and Mars]

Nancy is now going to shout at me

No but I’m less sure about my read on you but I need clarification on SF’s post because it sounds like they’re calling me scum. I honestly don’t know whether I should be outraged or flattered that anyone thinks I can be this far out of my scumrange here and still be scum. I know that tw isn’t terrible at reading me, so unless I’m completely misunderstanding that “power scum” comment, I need to re-evaluate.

[Venus and Mars]

i have skimmed the nancy/chk stuff on mobile and im sad the game is becoming toxic
i will comment later

I’m sorry about that but when I as far out of my scumrange as I am here, it’s beyond aggravating that people aren’t seeing it - especially after my claim - which is literally the same goddamned role I had in LNT. This game is even more frustrating than VG, when my slot was doc cleared.

[Venus and Mars]

Those were weak pings, and I have a bunch of reasons to townread her.
I think a lot of slots here could've coached her.
Could be that she simply discussed things with her hydra partner too.

It's weird you ask me that question when I said I'm townreading her.

If I was actually being “coached”, not a single person would be sr me rn. *head exploding*

[Venus and Mars]

Is there anything urgent I need to read in the explosion of posts last night? I just want to play with poisonous inactivated barbs. What could go wrong?

You could maybe help me keep my sanity? A part of me legit doesn’t want to be in this game anymore, which is a real shame considering I have such an awesome role.

[Venus and Mars]

Is there anything urgent I need to read in the explosion of posts last night? I just want to play with poisonous inactivated barbs. What could go wrong?

You could maybe help me keep my sanity? A part of me legit doesn’t want to be in this game anymore, which is a real shame considering I have such an awesome role.

And I definitely can make that happen if I want.

[Venus and Mars]

They all received them before bte claimed he was the one that sent them. You're missing the point.

Apparently I am, so please explain it to me like I’m 5.

They all claimed to get the item around the same time then the boon post happened = less likely to be a scum play initiated by bte

As opposed to

George softing preemptively, then vecna and Fonz claim around the boon post = more likely a scum play initiated by bte.

Again, I received the PM and had to

immediately

send the items and

I was banned from talking in the thread about them

. It was at the same time as the mod announcement, but I don't know if they were related or perhaps if it was just a timing thing since mod happened to be online. All I know is that this secret power was activated.

I 100% believe this. I am not at liberty to explain why but I don’t doubt this for a second.

[Venus and Mars]

The gamestate Nancy is actively creating is one where most discussion gets drowned out and Nancy gets lynched at eod

That is not coached scum or powerscum or most varieties of scum

Ok now I'm not pushing a lurker now I'm pushing scum

Why do you think Nom is scum?

[Venus and Mars]

RCEnigma, do you scumread BooneyToonzExpert solely for sending out the barbs, or do you have other reasons? Why do you think BooneyToonzExpert admits to sending the barbs out in the first place if he's scum?

-Cosmic

I know this wasn’t addressed to me but there were certain things he said in his most recent post, that I have extremely good reason to 100% believe, so I’m strongly leaning town on that slot.

[Venus and Mars]

I'm trying a different style of questionining here, so bear with me.

BooneyToonzExpert

, if you were looking for a loved one within {Michael Scott, sore feet, JJH}, and a mortal enemy within {GeorgeBailey, RCEnigma, Titus} - who would you pick from either category and why?

-Cosmic

I honestly have no clue what any of this means?

[Venus and Mars]

I’m kind of concerned now, I felt super confident about my selections, now I’m questioning them. :/ I don’t know know if I should leave them as is, or change them. I hate not being sure about that.

[Venus and Mars]

"Coaching" was probably the wrong word to use, I felt you had discussed things about your role before writing some posts. I'm used to seeing a transparent thought process from scratch from you as town, so that was a very slight ping.

I'm not referring to any other sense of the word coaching. Besides, I knew you were going to shout at me for saying it. Like wifom aside, if I'm so strategic and planned as scum what would saying that even gain me?

Searching will be a pain and I wish I marked them somehow, but I put so less stock into them that I think it's useless right now - if y'all are still that interested I can track them down later.

My role in this game isn’t super complicated and I don’t know why you’d think I was being coached about it, when I literally had the exact same role in LNT.

[Venus and Mars]

@Auro, I’m paranoid scum is trying to get me mislynched and I’m not sure who to believe in this game anymore and that’s really a bad thing considering my role because in order for my role to be as optimal to town as possible, I have to have confident town reads and I’m getting less and less confident on some of them and increasing confidence on others. I guess it really doesn’t gain you anything but I’m still slightly pinged. I still think you’re town though, just not as super confident as I was.

[Venus and Mars]

What's interesting is Sore Feet taking that "coaching" comment which I said was weak and that I was townreading VM pretty strongly, and then asked me why I wasn't voting VM.

That's a weird misrep and empty question.

The funnier thing is - I was voting BTE, I said let's wagon KA, but I never moved my vote there. Looking back I've sorta been inconsistent a lot in the game, so it's scummy for SF to pick up *this instance* which isn't even inconsistent.

VOTE: Sore Feet

I think you’re right. They just called me “power scum”, literally out of nowhere and no way does tw sr me in this game. Town!tw 100% tr me here.

[Venus and Mars]

Also, I'm actually very sure scum would, and is trying to pocket you especially after you outed your role, remember how the gifts helped scum a LOT in Extravaganza?

You would think so but it’s also conceivable that scum is frightened of me and thinks I’m an easy mislynch. I know that no one will be sr me later in this game, providing town doesn’t get a collective lobotomy or I get NK’d but I would really love it if someone could explain to me how I can be this far out of my scumrange with a hardclaimed tpr to boot and still be anyone’s sr, because I honestly don’t get it.

[Venus and Mars]

Oh lol dude. No. You misinterpreted tw greatly.
He meant that AS SCUM you'd be powerscum, as in you would never be coached even if you rolled scum. He isn't saying you're powerscum this game

Oh. UNVOTE:

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: RCE

[Venus and Mars]

No, I think RCE is town and even otherwise, I like the dude enough not to want to lynch him.

I don't think anyone ever pushes you thinking you're an easy mislynch when a bunch of other powertown slots are calling you town, Nancy. The only reason a push would make sense is if people are trying to get townread off it after reacting tk your own reaction to it.

RCE's holding conviction in his read and he's actually engaging with other people to see why they believe you're town. It doesn't look like someone empty pushing you and doing nothing else.

I’ll see if he’s actually sincere about that. He usually isn’t this terrible at reading me. If he’s honestly sorting me and not just pretend sorting, he will make that super obvious.

[Venus and Mars]

No, I think RCE is town and even otherwise, I like the dude enough not to want to lynch him.

I don't think anyone ever pushes you thinking you're an easy mislynch when a bunch of other powertown slots are calling you town, Nancy. The only reason a push would make sense is if people are trying to get townread off it after reacting tk your own reaction to it.

RCE's holding conviction in his read and he's actually engaging with other people to see why they believe you're town. It doesn't look like someone empty pushing you and doing nothing else.

Wrt to Sore Feet, Xtoxm’s AtE to me at the beginning of the game, sounded really townie. Do you think he would do that as scum?

[Venus and Mars]

Nancy, you're making me super uncomfortable, and if me pointing that out makes you feel hurt, c'est la vie.

You figuratively bit my fucking head off for daring to

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read you.

I feel like you try to make people feel deficient on a human level, whether intellectually or morally, for opposing you on an in game level.

On an in game level, it seems actually bizarre to me that you genuinely think claiming to be essentially an inventor, not a town only role, in a UPICK, makes you basically conftown. I say if it were to come down to lynching you or chk, I'd rather lynch you, and you point out that isn't the scenario rn. I agree. That isn't the choice atm, and I don't want it to be. That shoulda been clear.

But it is possible for someone to both be intelligent and playing in good faith, and not townread you here.

In THIS game, I don’t recall doing that and yes you did hurt my feelings. If that truly doesn’t matter to you, then obviously nothing I’m going to say will make any difference anyway. :/. How am I an “inventor”? I hardclaimed Vanna White, gameshow host. Can you please explain this to me?

[Venus and Mars]

Nancy, you're making me super uncomfortable, and if me pointing that out makes you feel hurt, c'est la vie.

You figuratively bit my fucking head off for daring to

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read you.

I feel like you try to make people feel deficient on a human level, whether intellectually or morally, for opposing you on an in game level.

On an in game level, it seems actually bizarre to me that you genuinely think claiming to be essentially an inventor, not a town only role, in a UPICK, makes you basically conftown. I say if it were to come down to lynching you or chk, I'd rather lynch you, and you point out that isn't the scenario rn. I agree. That isn't the choice atm, and I don't want it to be. That shoulda been clear.

But it is possible for someone to both be intelligent and playing in good faith, and not townread you here.

In THIS game, I don’t recall doing that and yes you did hurt my feelings. If that truly doesn’t matter to you, then obviously nothing I’m going to say will make any difference anyway. :/. How am I an “inventor”? I hardclaimed Vanna White, gameshow host. Can you please explain this to me?

There was supposed to be a question mark in there, somewhere.

[Venus and Mars]

Nancy, let the thread breathe. Let scum make a move. Either a) the scum are using you, b) you're helping them, or c) they're coasting. You may learn more by listening.

How are you so sure they’re not pushing me? because I’m not but you may have a point. I just can’t recall any game ever where I hardclaimed tpr and STILL continued to get sr for it. That has literally never happened to me before and I honestly don’t know how to wrap my brain around it.

[Venus and Mars]

@Fonzie: She picked literally the same role as in a previous game and got it, and it's also a +town role if she gets her picks right. It's totally plausible she sees this as obvious town.

It being a town role in LNT does NOT make it a town role here.

"How could that ever be a scum role?" Nancy pertinently asks.

Easily, grifter only sends (I presume) 3 slots to a boonus round and can be gated within the realm of:

- must select X number of town per night. So 1 or 2.
- rewards for winning the boonus round could be antitown in nature
- in LNT grifter didn't even have to choose 3 just up to 3 players.
- in LNT it had to be publically activated and seems like that's not the case here so it isn't immediately verifiable in the same way

Then even in the event the role is town. I would argue this isn't really an essential town role. It gives agency to one players reads and the consequence is a potential detriment to town.

Meaning if Nancy is town with bad reads it increases scum chances of A.) Being picked and 2.) Winning additional abilities or modifiers.

Those are bad things. Not good. Bad. Malo. Unfortunate.

Not trusting I can have decent reads is a horrible reason to mislynch me. You are also conveniently forgetting that there’s a town advantage to not having to make those reads public. For example: I wanted to enter AC in the Boous round in LNT but we didn’t because Krazy told me that they already have a big enough target on them already, so I was not always able to make the selections I wanted because of that. By not outting my selections, I don’t have to think about those things and as such, I would argue that makes my role even townier because of that. Have you seen my role pm? I’m not even sure if I HAVE to submit 3 or up to 3. You acting like you know my role better than me and seeing it as scummy and a negative utility because you’re trying to discredit my ability to make good reads, is concerning.

[Venus and Mars]

Nancy, let the thread breathe. Let scum make a move. Either a) the scum are using you, b) you're helping them, or c) they're coasting. You may learn more by listening.

How are you so sure they’re not pushing me? because I’m not but you may have a point. I just can’t recall any game ever where I hardclaimed tpr and STILL continued to get sr for it. That has literally never happened to me before and I honestly don’t know how to wrap my brain around it.

I include scum pushing you as categories a b and c.

Oh okay. I know Auro thinks they’d all be pocketing me and obviously Fonz thinks that as well but if scum decided to push me pre-claim, then they would also have to know that suddenly doing a 180 on me, would look super scummy. More likely, they would be smart and change their read on me at a believable pace, so yeah I disagree with Auro and Fonz, that they’re necessarily pocketing me rn, especially if the initial plan was to try and get me mislynched.

[Venus and Mars]

I’ll catch up more later. Titus is very likely town and I bet money that once Amrun starts reading the game, she will be mildmelding with me on that. If anyone cares, she also similarly game slipped in Restless Ghosts but it’s the little more subtle things in her posts, is mainly what make me tl her. Amun has correctly tr her in both TM and the last Boon game. I don’t understand the current GB votes, his response to the pressure on him, looked townie to me.

Conspire’s catchups seem townie to me as this specific type of detailed catchup reads have been far more likely to come from town than scum, from my experience.

@Vecna, are you any kind of sticky fruit vendor? This could be significant because of Titus’ role or do you just straight out spread viruses?

@Fonz and @chk? How tf am I a null to both of you here? What have I been doing that is even remotely different here than in the last game?

@Fonz, is the post where you think I “bit your head off”? Because I was just asking a question here. I assure you, it was nothing more than that. I only recall doing it to you that one time in the last game and I think I already apologized to you for that and if I hadn’t already done that, I’ll apologize for it again and again because that totally wasn’t cool of me to do that to you. I swear to you I have not done that to you in THIS game but if you misinterpreted my post that way, I want to clarify that 100% wasn’t my intention.

[Venus and Mars]

You mean your bs sr on us? damned straight! What are you going to say chk, when my flip literally proves you wrong? I am so looking forward to that.

[Venus and Mars]

Spoiler:

@Fonzie: She picked literally the same role as in a previous game and got it, and it's also a +town role if she gets her picks right. It's totally plausible she sees this as obvious town.

It being a town role in LNT does NOT make it a town role here.

"How could that ever be a scum role?" Nancy pertinently asks.

Easily, grifter only sends (I presume) 3 slots to a boonus round and can be gated within the realm of:

- must select X number of town per night. So 1 or 2.
- rewards for winning the boonus round could be antitown in nature
- in LNT grifter didn't even have to choose 3 just up to 3 players.
- in LNT it had to be publically activated and seems like that's not the case here so it isn't immediately verifiable in the same way

Then even in the event the role is town. I would argue this isn't really an essential town role. It gives agency to one players reads and the consequence is a potential detriment to town.

Meaning if Nancy is town with bad reads it increases scum chances of A.) Being picked and 2.) Winning additional abilities or modifiers.

Those are bad things. Not good. Bad. Malo. Unfortunate.

Not trusting I can have decent reads is a horrible reason to mislynch me. You are also conveniently forgetting that there’s a town advantage to not having to make those reads public. For example: I wanted to enter AC in the Boous round in LNT but we didn’t because Krazy told me that they already have a big enough target on them already, so I was not always able to make the selections I wanted because of that. By not outting my selections, I don’t have to think about those things and as such, I would argue that makes my role even townier because of that. Have you seen my role pm? I’m not even sure if I HAVE to submit 3 or up to 3. You acting like you know my role better than me and seeing it as scummy and a negative utility because you’re trying to discredit my ability to make good reads, is concerning.

You're reading the things I'm saying. But you are t reading them and that's unfortunate.[/quote]

I don’t understand.

[Venus and Mars]

I know.

I don’t know how you expect me to respond to this?

[Venus and Mars]

You mean your bs sr on us? damned straight! What are you going to say chk, when my flip literally proves you wrong? I am so looking forward to that.

The same thing we do every day, Pinky.

Try to take over the world.

I can’t speak for the world but you won’t get very far in MS unless you improve upon your scumreads, Pinky.

[Venus and Mars]

Oh I thought we were just bringing up irrelevant shit instead of doing what we said we were gonna do.

My bad.

???

[Venus and Mars]

If I wasn't voting you I'd consider voting someone lik Chkflip up

Tragically, chk is very likely town.

[Venus and Mars]

George doesn't feel like newb!town to me at all.
Where's the newb element in there?

Oh IDK... join date? Playstyle? The fact that there are <20 games in their threadcount and MOST of them are newbies?

None of these things shout "experienced" to me, bud.

You're better than this vote.

Pot.kettle. anyone? Oh the irony.

Once again Sherlock I’m mindmelding with you here and once again like freaking clockwork, you will be once again wrongly sr me for it. What do I win?

[Venus and Mars]

This seems like a really easy mislynch on newb!town to me, guys.

Exactly. GB's tone is pretty fine.

Chk, can you stash the whole Nancy thing for the day? I think Nancy's town and while I see your case, a large part of it is just how Nancy plays.

What really blows my mind is that I’ve been pretty much mindmelding with him on his reads and he seems to view that as scum indicative for some reason, that no one has been able to figure out yet.

[Venus and Mars]

A large part of my case was about how Nancy is well aware of her town meta and is using that to her advantage in this game, but sure. I've no qualms with ignoring that for a while. Expect it to keep coming up though seeing as now the insults have now succumbed to not only I'm "bad at mafia," but now I'm "never going to make it on mafiascum" which is fucking laughably insulting.

Pedit: my anger is "faked." That's all they've said.

That's my secret, Cap. I'm always angry.

Nice misrep there champ. That was Titus who said that but hey keep up the misrep.

I said that if you have shitty sr like you do so far in THIS game, no one will take your sr seriously in future games. I would think that even you would realize that to be self-evident but maybe I’m giving you way too much credit?

[Venus and Mars]

Every push nom has made has been wildly vague, but that's not really that surprising coming from a slot that didn't give a shit about this game until half the deadline for the day was through.

Pedit: hey look nom just described how Mars is playing. Ain't that somethin'?

Hey look wrt to me, nom isn’t being a woat. How ‘boat that?

[Venus and Mars]

I think GB's going with the flow of the game and not really having any strong opinion of his own.
His entire townpool has been people who have been talking, and his scumlean pool has been people that scumread him.
Clearly there's something wrong when a player can decisively say a lot of people are town yet doesn't have any true scumread.

I think going for a lurker right now distracts from the interactions that are happening right now and I think it's lowkey anti-town to distract from them for some random lurker lynch.
What's the purpose of voting for a slot that produces nothing on d1 when you have far more controversial slots who need sorting?

pedit:
chkflip's AtE regarding V/M felt fake and it felt like the type of AtE scum comes up with.
It could also be SvS considering I recognize what I did back in Cats with Vorkuta as my scum partner. Fake AtE bullshit at start of day 1 is the easiest way to seem genuine as scums, so maybe that's what it is but it's hard to say considering that I felt nancy's rage really genuine here.

I'm going to assume you don't have an opinion on Chk's case since AtE was the only thing you took away from the conflict with Nancy.

I actually feel the exact opposite. You literally just accused him of going with the flow and lacking original insight. Which I think is fair, and why he's in my POE. But it's the exact opposite of being the kind of controversial, lightning rod type player you said you want to lynch.

And I don't know how anyone can feel chk is faking here. His frustration with Nancy feels SUPER genuine.

How is he frustrated with me exactly? He is trying to mislynch me due to shitty tunnel vision. That’s 100% on him. If he’s frustrated, he has no one to blame for that but himself.

[Venus and Mars]

I'm glad Vecna started posting recently, since they finally showed how their role is beneficial to Town.

As for current vote, I don't think RCE is particularly scummy right now. They're a lot better than Mechanic right now

I'm feeling good on BTE.

VOTE: BooneyToonsExpert

Yeah I see people bringing this up as a shitty vote.

I mean, Mechanic's replacement was doing a lot better, and I was slightly scumleaning BTE.

I thought I'd join their wagon. And then I got a barbed thing. I hope it doesn't kill me lmao.

I am not at liberty to expand on this now but I have extremely good reason to believe what BTE said about his role, is true.

[Venus and Mars]

This is exactly this kind of post that makes me think you're scum.

Sheeping isn't scum indicative. If anything, sheeping and increasing wagon size is pro-town.

I would say it’s more NIA. In TS, scum hopped on my wagon, which obviously helped make it all that much easier to mislynch my slot. It of course, can also be town indicative, depending on the reason and also the target but to say it’s necessarily town indicative just isn’t true

[Venus and Mars]

And I don't know how anyone can feel chk is faking here. His frustration with Nancy feels SUPER genuine.

Sure. It's genuine but it's NAI.

I honestly do believe that chk really is this bad at reading me.

[Venus and Mars]

His casing and conviction on Nancy!scum also comes off as very genuine. As does RCE's to me.

Yes. It's genuine frustration. But is it frustration because Nancy's right, Nancy's unlynchable and they're too lazy/incapable of pushing elsewhere/want the gamestate to remain static, or because they feel her posting in a threat to town? All of these would generate genuine frustration with Nancy, which is why I advised Nancy to slow down posting.

He’s frustrated with me because I’m not just going to roll over and let him drive a mislynch on me.

[Venus and Mars]

But I'm talking about their conviction that Nancy is scum - that would have to be faked. If they were advocating a lynch on Nancy for being *anti-town* then yes, but Chk actually believes Nancy is scum imitating her town meta.

I’m not 100% convinced on that. I don’t think chk is over his grudge against me from last game but I know I’m probably never going to be able to convince anyone of that but I honestly believe he wouldn’t be so hardpushing me here, had I never bombed him because he literally only voted me after I called him a “woat”.

[Venus and Mars]

But I'm talking about their conviction that Nancy is scum - that would have to be faked. If they were advocating a lynch on Nancy for being *anti-town* then yes, but Chk actually believes Nancy is scum imitating her town meta.

Yeah I can't go that far because my eyes glaze over reading it. Luckily, my roomate makes cookies.

My synapses commit Hari Kari everytime I have to read his lolcase on me.

[Venus and Mars]

This seems like a really easy mislynch on newb!town to me, guys.

Exactly. GB's tone is pretty fine.

Chk, can you stash the whole Nancy thing for the day? I think Nancy's town and while I see your case, a large part of it is just how Nancy plays.

What really blows my mind is that I’ve been pretty much mindmelding with him on his reads and he seems to view that as scum indicative for some reason, that no one has been able to figure out yet.

Perspective slip? Otherwise, he'd be big on you agency capturing him.

I’ve heard you use that term before - agency capturing. What does that mean again?

[Venus and Mars]

A large part of my case was about how Nancy is well aware of her town meta and is using that to her advantage in this game, but sure. I've no qualms with ignoring that for a while. Expect it to keep coming up though seeing as now the insults have now succumbed to not only I'm "bad at mafia," but now I'm "never going to make it on mafiascum" which is fucking laughably insulting.

Pedit: my anger is "faked." That's all they've said.

That's my secret, Cap. I'm always angry.

Nice misrep there champ. That was Titus who said that but hey keep up the misrep.

I said that if you have shitty sr like you do so far in THIS game, no one will take your sr seriously in future games. I would think that even you would realize that to be self-evident but maybe I’m giving you way too much credit?

Wait, what did I say?

Didn’t you say he was being fake or something at one point? Because I know for a fact, I never said that about him, yet he is claiming I did.

[Venus and Mars]

What's funny is you're still not scum hunting, just insulting me to the point that it's making me uncomfortable as fuck even though I've countlessly asked you to fucking stop insulting me but hey who the fuck am I but some cock goblin who dared to scum read you right? Are you fucking twelve? Do you find entertainment in incessantly treating people like fucking dogshit you found under your boot?

hey jjh what specifically has made you continue to townread nom? Has that changed after their uptick over the past 24 hours?

GOOD! because I’ve had it up to fucking here with your smug attitude and insulting bad push on me. Why I’m not doing that to RCE is because he isn’t acting all smug and full of himself like you are.

[Venus and Mars]

I can’t speak for the world but you won’t get very far in MS unless you improve upon your scumreads, Pinky.

Misrep what? No, you actually questioned my site-wide fucking ability to play this game.

Nice try on saying I've misrepresented something, though. It's always fun to call someone a liar. Especially someone as unapologetically fucking rude as you.

You are deathtunneling me this game. People will remember you did this in your future games and therefore mistrust your sr because of that. This isn’t rocket science. When you treat a slot like they’re lockscum, even when they’re blatantly fucking town, you shouldn’t expect people not be angry at you for that. Fyi, I think you persisting in playing the victim here is reprehensible and I’m not letting you get away with it.

[Venus and Mars]

What's funny is you're still not scum hunting, just insulting me to the point that it's making me uncomfortable as fuck even though I've countlessly asked you to fucking stop insulting me but hey who the fuck am I but some cock goblin who dared to scum read you right? Are you fucking twelve? Do you find entertainment in incessantly treating people like fucking dogshit you found under your boot?

hey jjh what specifically has made you continue to townread nom? Has that changed after their uptick over the past 24 hours?

Continuing to engage this way is going to eat your ass every time.

While I’m still unsure of your alignment, you’re not being obnoxious and offensive in how you’re approaching it. Chk doesn’t seem to understand that respect is a two-way street and I’m fucking fed up with his whining and hypocrisy about that.

[Venus and Mars]

ty my 'nigma I legit needed that.

Let’s hope he actually got through to you but I won’t be holding my breath on that.

[Venus and Mars]

Oh my. Nancy can you please just ignore Chk completely? Like I can see why he's feeling frustrated. He agreed to set you aside for now at least.

Well nothing is town indicative then because scum have done everything under the sun. Also I didn't say wagoning is necessarily town indicative, it's just pro-town. And contexts are different - town should have hopped off you after wagoning instead of sitting on it and mislynching.

It’s hard because he is being insufferable and clearly doesn’t gaf about mislynching me. Yes, of course they should have. We probably objectively had the worst town ever in that game. Two days after my mislynch, the woats in that game then mislynched bleeding obvtown Mastina who actively tried to prevent my slot’s mislynch.

How is town indicative different from being pro-town?

[Venus and Mars]

Dude no one else apart from chk and RCE are expressing intent to lynch you, this is way too much of an overreaction.

No it isn’t, not when my play here has already been vastly out of my scumrange and I hardclaimed a tpr but it’s really chk’s attitude towards me that is infuriating me more than anything else. He has been treating me like crap all game, yet has the unenviable audacity to play victim here and accuse me of the one who’s doing that. I’m not standing for that - not here, not ever.

[Venus and Mars]

Dude no one else apart from chk and RCE are expressing intent to lynch you, this is way too much of an overreaction.

No it isn’t, not when my play here has already been vastly out of my scumrange and I hardclaimed a tpr but it’s really chk’s attitude towards me that is infuriating me more than anything else. He has been treating me like crap all game, yet has the UNBELIEVABLE audacity to play victim here and accuse me of the one who’s doing that. I’m not standing for that - not here, not ever.

[Venus and Mars]

And they've done it all game, Mike.

Since their first post.

To anyone who dared question their townieness.

No, just to YOU but keep spreading bullshit about me.

[Venus and Mars]

I know and with all love Nancy, it makes the game un-fun when you react to people scumreading you that way.

It makes the game unfun when people like chk treat me like literal fucking garbage.

[Venus and Mars]

I do think in a vacuum some of your behaviour can be construed as scummy, to someone who hasn't seen you do these things as town before. Ask your hydra partner about it, they'll agree.

Chkflip isn't stupid. He's not reading you right, sure - but he's not being dumb.

What do you think of Nom?

I have no opinion wrt to chk’s intelligence outside of this game but he is 100% being a woat in THIS game and I make no apologies for saying that. I’m sorry if you do not approve but I’m not tolerating his disrespect any longer, so you can stop defending his atrocious behaviour.

It’s hard to tell honestly. I thought his posting seemed genuine and natural but I agree with you that GB is as far from a controversial push as you can get and I think is being pushed as easy mislynchbait.

[Venus and Mars]

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Jesus fucking Christ are you trying to "accidentally" lynch the fucking vigilante?

Unvote.

And then, there’s this fucking bullshit. I’m not “accidentally” doing shit. Wake needs 4 votes, not 2. Did you fail math or something? I’m voting him, because

A) we need a goddamned lynch today.
B!There’s just a little over 2 days to prevent a no lynch.
C)If I’m vigged, my fucking vote won’t count. The mod told me so are why are you fucking ignoring that?

This reads to me that you are pissed Chemist wants me to be vigged over you. It’s not exactly rocket science.

How do I know this? Because every single goddamn time I try to either explain that through your thick skull, you won’t either answer me why you’re throwing around bullshit accusations or explaining to me exactly what you find fucking scummy about my voting Wake when we have two days before deadline and mod explicitly told me my vote won’t count if I make it after I’m vigged.

There is not even remotely anything at all “accidental” about my vote and if you were actually town here, you would stop pretending that was the case, when it clearly isn’t.

Same tactics. Not town. Start at this post and work your way down the ISO. It's not out of her scum range. I'm not wrong.

Nice cherry picking. Link Forest Fire why don’t you? But you of course won’t because that would prove that you’re reads are full of shit and we obviously can’t have that.

[Venus and Mars]

Also, isn't it funny her vote is on what is essentially a null read of hers? And why is it there? Because they're voting for her.

Not scum hunting.

My vote wasn’t an OMGUS vote, so you can stop fucking stop misrepping now. Even RCE acknowledged that. I haven’t unvoted him because I’m still not convinced he’s not scum because unlike you, RCE is usually not terrible at reading me.

[Venus and Mars]

You can't cherry pick your own scum games for me to choose from. Nice try, though. Solid lack of defense once again btw it's just masterful how much you don't care that you're irrefutably scum at this point.

Forest Fire was a towngame that debunks your bullshit case on me and there are numerous others to boot. Look it the fuck up, if you think I’m lying. Why don’t you? Are you afraid of being proved wrong? Also, look up Penguin Mafia, I literally did the same thing in that and yes, I was also town in that. I mentioned that one specifically because I played under that same account but if you refuse to check out those games, you have to stop using AtE as a reason to sr me because it’s NAI and you won’t look up those games because you don’t want to be proven wrong.

[Venus and Mars]

"I'm still unsure of your alignment" =/= "I think you're scum."

Words matter.

Wow congrats! you actually didn’t misrep me for fucking once. You get a cookie.

[Venus and Mars]

"Its not an OMGUS vote"
> is voting because they're being voted

Stop the mistep, it’s really getting old.

I initially voted him BEFORE he was sr me, so that isn’t an OMGUS. I’m really getting annoyed with your continued deliberate misrepping of my posts.

I haven’t unvoted him because II’m still unsure of his alignment and yes, I’m not sure who’s a better vote, so sue me for not having a confident sr on D fucking 1!

Yes @Auro, I don’t take kindly to players who both A) cherry pick games to back up their confibias on me and blatantly ignore evidence that contradicts it and B) intentionally persists in misrepping my posts. Do you really not understand why I’m so furious with chk and are you still going to wrongly accuse me of “overreacting” here?

[Venus and Mars]

"Its not an OMGUS vote"
> is voting because they're being voted

Stop the MISREP, it’s really getting old.

I initially voted him BEFORE he was sr me, so that isn’t an OMGUS. I’m really getting annoyed with your continued deliberate misrepping of my posts.

I haven’t unvoted him because II’m still unsure of his alignment and yes, I’m not sure who’s a better vote, so sue me for not having a confident sr on D fucking 1!

Yes @Auro, I don’t take kindly to players who both A) cherry pick games to back up their confibias on me and blatantly ignore evidence that contradicts it and B) intentionally persists in misrepping my posts. Do you really not understand why I’m so furious with chk and are you still going to wrongly accuse me of “overreacting” here?

[Venus and Mars]

Yes @Auro, I don’t take kindly to players who both A) cherry pick games to back up their confibias on me and blatantly ignore evidence that contradicts it and B) intentionally persists in misrepping my posts. Do you really not understand why I’m so furious with chk and are you still going to wrongly accuse me of “overreacting” here?

OK let's do this as an exercise - how is your play from that game different from your play this game?

The mime game is a terrible example, since it has a completely different mechanic than more traditional games. When I’m town I get upset when I’m wrongly sr, when I’m scum I only get upset when I’m sr for the wrong reasons, as was the case in that game he linked. I claimed early on in my post to KK that no one should ever alignment read me for either AtE, derping or activity. While my frustration is real and I am 100% town here, I never ever claimed that anyone should tr off of AtE and anyone who has meta on me, knows this to be true. If I ever claimed that was a valid reason to tr me here, than chk linking that game would obviously be smart, because if I lie and claim AtE is town indicative for me, I 100% deserve to be outed for that. So if chk was arguing that it would be incorrect to townlock me for that, he wouldn’t obviously be wrong but he’s not doing that, he’s incorrectly saying that AtE is scum indicative for me and he is ignoring any evidence which disproves that.

My play is different because unlike when I’m scum, I look for and notice subtle towntells. A good example of what I’m referring to would be CoaLITion where LUV basically towntold and I being scum in that, of course ignored it. That is one of the many things I meant, when I advised Krazy to look out for the ABSENCE of things to know whether I’m scum or not. As scum, I either don’t notice these subtle towntells or i act like I haven’t but as town, I’m extremely alert to these things. Take Xtoxm’s AtE in this game for example: could he be scum doing that? Possibly but then he would have to know that if he ever tried to pull that ever again on me, it would 100% blow up in his face right? That would obviously be hella stupid, which is why I think that slot is likely town here. I bring this up, because scum!me would have more than likely happy to sheep you on that wagon, because scum!me would be ignoring things like that. Also, making numerous tr is extremely town indicative for me. Remember how upset I was about Shoshin being suspicious of me in CoC1 for townreading everyone and having no scumreads? I’m extremely sure I’ve never done that as scum.

[Venus and Mars]

The nature of OMGUS is continuing to have one's vote on the opposite player simply because they're being voted for. You voted first. Neat! Your insistence on keeping that vote there, even though you've now admitted that they're not actually a scum read, based solely on the fact that they're voting for you, in essence, is exactly the brass and nails of what OMGUS represents.

Don't quote the legends to me. I was there when it was written.

I've yet to misrepresent you whatsoever, you just chronically read only what you think you can refute and ignore or insult everything else like a child. Reading your town game? I know what your town game looks like. That's outlined in my case. Which you'd know if you didn't blatantly ignore it.

Even though you touted how you were going to crush it.

Then didn't.

Because you can't.

Because you're scum.

Because you’re an insufferable woat who doesn’t have the balls to make an honest effort into reading evidence that debunks your garbage. Don’t fucking talk to me until you check out those games that 100% prove you’re full of shit. Thanks,

[Venus and Mars]

The nature of OMGUS is continuing to have one's vote on the opposite player simply because they're being voted for. You voted first. Neat! Your insistence on keeping that vote there, even though you've now admitted that they're not actually a scum read, based solely on the fact that they're voting for you, in essence, is exactly the brass and nails of what OMGUS represents.

Don't quote the legends to me. I was there when it was written.

I've yet to misrepresent you whatsoever, you just chronically read only what you think you can refute and ignore or insult everything else like a child. Reading your town game? I know what your town game looks like. That's outlined in my case. Which you'd know if you didn't blatantly ignore it.

Even though you touted how you were going to crush it.

Then didn't.

Because you can't.

Because you're scum.

Because you’re an insufferable woat who doesn’t have the balls to make an honest effort into reading evidence that debunks your garbage. Don’t fucking talk to me until you check out those games that 100% prove you’re full of shit. Thanks,

You are misrepping me because you obviously don’t have a fucking clue what OMGUS even means. My not unvoting RCE because I’m still unsure of his alignment, when I don’t currently have a better vote is neither an OMGUS or scum indicative.

[Venus and Mars]

This seems like a really easy mislynch on newb!town to me, guys.

Exactly. GB's tone is pretty fine.

Chk, can you stash the whole Nancy thing for the day? I think Nancy's town and while I see your case, a large part of it is just how Nancy plays.

What really blows my mind is that I’ve been pretty much mindmelding with him on his reads and he seems to view that as scum indicative for some reason, that no one has been able to figure out yet.

Perspective slip? Otherwise, he'd be big on you agency capturing him.

I’ve heard you use that term before - agency capturing. What does that mean again?

Scum tricking town into working for them. In this case, thinking someone is scum who agrees with all your reads should show major dissonance somewhere. Either a) the scumread is wrong or b) one of the pair is agency captured.

But I agreed with those reads because his reasoning on them made sense to me. I also liked his post where he said he got the BTE wagon but it was moving too fast. I think if chk is scum here, he 100% deserves a Don Corleoni and I will revere him as a scum god. Unfortunately, I honestly really believe he’s deathtunnelled woat town here. I have never seen his scumgame but I have trouble believing he’s that good.

[Venus and Mars]

I believe this thread requires some wholesome gifs.



-Cosmic

Spoiler:

-Cosmic

These are adorable.

[Venus and Mars]

The gamestate Nancy is actively creating is one where most discussion gets drowned out and Nancy gets lynched at eod

That is not coached scum or powerscum or most varieties of scum

Yeah, that seems to be a correct assessment, but only accounts for nancy not having experienced team mates. Do you town read her?

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I am also liking Nom's catchup, but if you'd ask me to elaborate why, I'm not sure I'd satisfy you with an coherent answer. Short version of it is that I liked where her focus was. She reads as really genuine and warms my heart, it's probably what I need in light of the recurring events.

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I think chkflip's anger towards VM is genuine but I'm not sure whether to treat it as AI since it appears like he has an issue with VM as a person in general and not necessarily based on any play here.

Michael Scott

did you town read chkflip off his interaction with VM alone or why did you feel the need to make the "chkflip locktown" comment? I'm asking because I want to see if it's worth leaning him town for it.

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@Auro, I’m paranoid scum is trying to get me mislynched and I’m not sure who to believe in this game anymore and that’s really a bad thing considering my role because in order for my role to be as optimal to town as possible, I have to have confident town reads and I’m getting less and less confident on some of them and increasing confidence on others. I guess it really doesn’t gain you anything but I’m still slightly pinged. I still think you’re town though, just not as super confident as I was.

This doesn't read too well in contrast with "I'm obvtown, I just claimed you blind? Auro, i'm suspicious that you are town now that you have called me scum that's getting coached, I'm town". Seems like you don't really think you're obvtown yourself.

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Page 94, more to come at some time. Can we tune down the notch a bit, please?

When I say “I’m obvtown”, I mean specifically that I’m well beyond my scumrange and I stand by that. Anyone who either has meta on me or critically examines my scumgames could verify this.

[Venus and Mars]

Oh hey look, you're ignoring my points because you can't refute them again. And more insults. This is so much fun you guys.

Speaking of misrepresentation. Oh wait you don't read things you can't actually refute so you didn't know. Otherwise you'd know from my case that I was actually fairly respectful in it and complimented your evolving scum game.

My... bad?

I'm gonna be honest, y'all. I might ceasefire but I refuse to lose to that. It ain't town.

Pedit: (to Nancy, for clarity, in response to her OMGUS rant) points for trying, but a solid NIGGITY NOPE SON.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... d_You_Suck

It reads, amongst other things, that OMGUS represents "voting for someone primarily because they voted for you."

I'm not arguing who's on first. I'm stating, and reiterating, and doubling down, and cementing in that -- by your own words -- your vote is on RCE BECAUSE their vote is on you. You can wax poetic on the who what where when why all you'd like. RCE who, by your admission, isn't even a solid scum read. RCE who, by your admission, could possibly be town in your opinion lest you wouldn't say you didn't know how to read their vote.

Best case scenario it's vote parking. Which is also scum indicative.

Also from the linked wiki: "Occasionally a Scum player will use it to cover a strategic vote"

Your current strat being that you don't actually have to scum hunt (you aren't) because you can just continue to postulate, flail, berate, et cetera et cetera. And under the guise of "trying to figure out RCE's alignment" you don't actually have to do anything but word vomit and multipost with the same old songs I've outlined in my case against you.

READ MY FUCKING TOWNGAMES!!!

I don’t want to engage with you anymore because I’m literally thisclose to losing it on you and risking getting myself temp banned.

[Venus and Mars]

Would it be antitown to put a player on my ignore list? He is literally refusing to check out clear evidence that disproves everything he’s claiming and he continues to regurgitate the same bs because he adamantly refuses to examine anything the debunks his arguments. I wouldn’t be so angry if he actually bothered to look up any of my towngames like I requested but it’s seriously getting beyond frustrating that he refuses to do that. How do you engage with a slot who refuses to look up evidence that proves them wrong and yet continues to push bad theories, when they could easily find that out but won’t?

[Venus and Mars]

Once again, can't refute.

Are you going to look up my towngames or if not, kindly stop spamming your crap.

The games I referenced completely debunk your reasons for sr me and if you seriously think I’m talking out of my ass here, why are you afraid to prove me wrong. If I’m lying, then by all means, out me. It’s all in those games. What are you waiting for?

[Venus and Mars]

This is exactly why RECK berates meta as trash, btw.

Because it can be manipulated.

Which I outlined here:

TL;DR scroll to the bolded bullet points

Let me open by making something perfectly clear. I've no qualms with Mars as a person. I've not mentioned anything revolving her personal life no matter how many times she decides to AtE and bring it up. There was a slight reach in aggression on my part that she has very ironically brought back up to push another AtF agenda after accepting an apology for it, but regardless of what she'd like you to believe? This isn't actually about that either.

My name is chkflip and this is exactly why I believe Mars is scum.

Shading

- 306, 311, 390, 415, 417, 428, 435, 438, 734, 753, 787, 1715
This isn't even all of them. What's particularly important about this point is that most (if not all) of the shading comes from the fact that people dare scum read her in the slightest. What's more? 306 is her very first post in the game. Shading right out of the gate and, again, this is only the dozen times I found it to be particularly scum-driven due to the incessant need to get any and all scum vibes off of her 100% immediately. Why? What's the town play here to this degree? Do note that this is also absolutely ALL she's doing since myself and RCE have had the audacity to vote her.

Over Defensive

- 306, 388, 397, 617, 771, 773
Again a repeat of above but this is what I found most telling since the recent wagon. You'll notice I'm linking a similar post -- her first one -- as it does go hand in hand with the above. There are notable instances, however, where she barks people down without shading them so I felt it necessary to differentiate the two. Same questions as above though because this does not a town slot make.

I'll ignore her insults just like she does, but that also appears in 405, 420, 428, 435, 438, 439, 440 (seriously three in a fucking row), 443, and 1338. I'm sure she'll cherry pick the one that "isn't insulting" just like she did above but hey. It's there. You can see it. When she can't shade... when she can't flex... she insults. I haven't seen this level of behavior in anybody over the years of being here at this magnitude. Sure, Internet Stranger would call me a "dong-slurping panty waist" or something more derogatory, or people like FATE and RECK get particularly under one's skin, but they don't do it like this as either alignment. And this didn't happen last game to the degree it's happening all over this thread. There was a spat with 50 -- whatever -- but she didn't look at every slot that "incorrectly" read her and went down the line on them. This isn't town meta. But we'll get to that very important point soon.

She's town! Remember! She's town!

390, 438, 442, 595, 616, 621, 744, 747, 749, 751, 770, 779, 784, 787, 793, 796, 1364, 1468, 1715 -- again, stopped keeping track.

What town has to make sure they remind you 19+ times how town they are? The kicker here is that the first time she did it wasn't even that many posts into the game for her. It's an agenda. You'll town read her or else. Town doesn't do that.

Now, the more important parts. The real meat and potatoes for all the butter on top of this post.

Aware of Town Meta

- 737, 739, 747, 779, 784
I think it should go without saying but I'll say it anyway. Scum players -- the good ones, at least -- recognize their town meta. They play to it. And this is me nodding that, yes, Mars is fairly competent as scum because she knows exactly how to play to you. She outlines it here. She's purposefully adapting to what she absolutely knows is her town meta so that she can glide through the early phases of this game. Top that with a viably non-threatening claim and she can easily continue these antics throughout most if not all of the rest of the game. She's playing you.

Let's also point out that Venus (you didn't think I'd forget about you, did you buddy?) plays to this as well in 1001. He not only tries to remind you of what he did last game, but he openly mocks that his lack of playing used to be a scum tell. Are we sure it still isn't?

He also straight up

role fishes

in 1409 and 1410 by asking questions town absolutely has no business knowing the answers to at this point in the game.

Mars

calls Vecna to scum hunt when he's under preasure

in 1476 but only does so herself recently after I call her out on it.

Now, here are the final two and frankly most important parts of this case. For the thing she's calling herself lockobvonehundoabsolutelytown over? Her role? Even her partner agrees in 330 and 1405 that role =/= alignment. Her role absolutely does not mean she's town.

Last but not least,

cognitive dissonance

. In 666 and 741 she openly calls Vecna town for his openness and posting. Then, when the Vecna wagon began, that drops without warning in 801 and then full swing in 897, 899, and the icing on the cake with 901 where she literally quotes the posts she was town-reading Vecna for in 666 and 741. This isn't just a town read transitioning into a scum read. There's literally no transition and no fucks given throughout. She then jumps off as she sees the wagon dying to fall back on, what, the fourth? Fifth OMGUS vote?

Oh. And she obviously didn't "learn from prematurely claiming" last game as she said in 1396 from "scum rolefishing"... She's literally doing everything she can think of to repeat her town games.

Nobody goes out of their way to do all that as town.

Venus and Mars are scum.

In this case you refused to read because you can't refute it.

But anyways how's the weather, guys?

I am not scum and you are embarassing yourself or you will once I’m flipped. Check out my fucking towngames you coward.

[Venus and Mars]

Chk is determined to get me mislynched and refuses to read my towngames that 100% debunk his case. I don’t know what more I can say about that other than he’s dead wrong and completely ignoring evidence of why I’m town here including my hardclaimed tpr, which will prove my alignment but probably not today but it 100% will. I will be obvtown to every single player in this game, even chk. I guarandamntee it.

[Venus and Mars]

Are you going to read my actual case on you or if not, kindly stop spamming your crap.

The case I even requoted for your convenience completely debunk what you think my reasons for sr you and if you seriously think I'm talking out of my ass here, why are you afraid to scroll up to prove me wrong. If I'm lying (I'm not, there's like a hundred links in that thing as evidence holy shit), then by all means, refute me. It's all two finger pushes in the right direction away. What are you waiting for?

Sure I’ll be happy to do that once you make a good faith effort and look up the towngames I referenced: Forest Fire and Penguin Mafia. Are you too fucking lazy to do that or do you need links?

I will be obvtown even to you, it’s just not going to happen today.

[Venus and Mars]

These help me from [in game] not strangling chk, so thank you for that.

[Venus and Mars]

Mars is determined to refuse to read my case that 100% debunk her game. I don’t know what more I can say about that other than she’s dead wrong and completely ignoring my case of why she's not town here including her hardclaimed "tpr" (amongst several other things). I am obvtown (though I would never actually say that because it's arrogant and biased and total WIFOM to say ever) to every single player in this game. I guarandamntee it.

And you refuse to look up the towngames that 100% debunk your case on me.

[Venus and Mars]

Mars is determined to refuse to read my case that 100% debunk her game. I don’t know what more I can say about that other than she’s dead wrong and completely ignoring my case of why she's not town here including her hardclaimed "tpr" (amongst several other things). I am obvtown (though I would never actually say that because it's arrogant and biased and total WIFOM to say ever) to every single player in this game. I guarandamntee it.

And you refuse to look up the towngames that 100% debunk your case on me.

Take your deathtunneled head out of your ass for once in your goddamned life and actually fucking listen! I am telling you, I will be obvtown even to you, it just won’t be today. God! why tf am I even bothering? Reasoning with chk is hardier than extracting blood from a stone. I obviously must be a masochist or something.

[Venus and Mars]

Mars you realize I'm just copy/pasting your posts and changing the words, right? Because it doesn't seem like you realize that's happening. You just keep ignoring the meat and cheese and broken record repeat yourself, so I'm just copy pasta'ing your posts and changing the words.

I saw what you’re doing, I just literally don’t gaf anymore because you’re blindness and absolute refusal to see reason has worn me out, so congrats on that.

[Venus and Mars]

Nancy, may I be blunt with the both of you?

Sure. My role should already prove I’m town and there’s even more that will but not today. I don’t understand how he isn’t getting that.

[Venus and Mars]

I'd like to thank the academy.

"I'll read if you read," in and of itself, is a pretty weak defense tho amirite or amirite?

No, you’re being hopelessly dense - per usual.

[Venus and Mars]

Generally, repeating shit other people are saying and quoting for agreement rather than looking at posts and finding new things to respond to

That's not me thinking about a scum!nom catchup in particular, just about scummier catchups and why by contrast nom's catchup is towny

What I keep finding out repeatedly ad nauseum, is contrary to what BEF said, my early reads are actually really good. In Post-Apocalypse, I correctly tr Clover, DM and TSE only to be talked into mislynching them later. Nom was one of my first tr and he hasn’t really done anything to change my mind on that.

I would like to ask the thread why is Chronus obvtown to most of the playerlist? Can anyone explain why to me?

[Venus and Mars]

Does anyone want to visit my island on animal crossing

I still don’t know what that is.

[Venus and Mars]

Correctly TRing some people isn't valid evidence of good quality early reads I'm afraid

I also correctly nailed scum!tw in SC1 only to change my mind after he pocketed me D2. My point obviously is, if I tr a slot right out of the gate and they don’t do anything to change my mind on that, it means I’m usually right. Unfortunately, it rarely happens on D1 that I have confident scumreads, so I usually find scum by identifying who is least townie. That’s how I won YGM.

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: nomnom

Not townreading nom, and I'll put my money where my mouth is on sorting.

I might totally OMGUS this because my bullshit meters are going strong
VOTE: Titus

I think you’re both town.

Why isn’t anyone answering my Chronus question? Why are they obvtown?

[Venus and Mars]

You tr'd me D1 in Chain of Command and I was scum, no?

I sr irrel your hydra partner.

[Venus and Mars]

Honestly Nancy you are incredibly vulnerable to various cognitive biases when you're talking about yourself. It's why you get into fights with people who vote you

What are you even talking about here?

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: nomnom

Not townreading nom, and I'll put my money where my mouth is on sorting.

I might totally OMGUS this because my bullshit meters are going strong
VOTE: Titus

I think you’re both town.

Why isn’t anyone answering my Chronus question? Why are they obvtown?

They aren't.

They seem to be doing a lot of busywork, but not actually doing much.

VOTE: Chronus

Better vote than Nom anyway.

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: nomnom

Not townreading nom, and I'll put my money where my mouth is on sorting.

I might totally OMGUS this because my bullshit meters are going strong
VOTE: Titus

I still think Titus is scummy too, but she's claimed a role that can give loyal/disloyal modifiers to people - which would be crazy useful. So she shouldn't be a day 1 lynch.

-Cosmic

I think Conspire is town.

[Venus and Mars]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Titus

Why?

~M

The post where she called me/auro/chkflip as a potential scum team.

But why are you assuming that necessarily comes from scum over town? Titus wrongly sr me and A50 of being scum in the Shakespeare Boon game but she was just wrong in that and not scum.

~M

Was answering why it came from scum.

Lol hold on did VM just TMI all 3 of me / chk and auro town?

VOTE: Venus and Mars

VOTE: Titus

Why?

~M

The post where she called me/auro/chkflip as a potential scum team.

But why are you assuming that necessarily comes from scum over town?

Titus wrongly sr me and A50 of being scum in the Shakespeare Boon game but she was just wrong in that and not scum.

~M

What makes you think she’s wrongly scum reading us here?

I always thought this jump to I’m TMIing her/Auro/chk town. never really made much sense to me. In my experience, town tends to initially assume the player sr them is in error over them being scum but it’s understandable to think she would find Titus’ team comment suspicious. What isn’t is jumping to the conclusion that I TMI’d her/Auro/chk by asking this. But I’ve just been assuming she’s town because pretty much everyone was telling me that.

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: nomnom

Not townreading nom, and I'll put my money where my mouth is on sorting.

I might totally OMGUS this because my bullshit meters are going strong
VOTE: Titus

I still think Titus is scummy too, but she's claimed a role that can give loyal/disloyal modifiers to people - which would be crazy useful. So she shouldn't be a day 1 lynch.

-Cosmic

I think Conspire is town.

I concur. I agree that I haven't done my best due to life and illness so a consistent SR but saying I am not a day one lynch is reasonable.

These are generally townie thoughts. Also as I previously pointed out, the kind of detailed catchups they were doing have overwhelmingly come from town: That hydra - can’t recall the name in MG, Haggle and others I can’t even remember.

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: Nomnomnom

Choo choo

I don’t think this is a good vote. Nom doesn’t feel like scum to me.

[Venus and Mars]

You guys really don't think there's a better wagon than me? Really??
If I flip town what are you guys going to do lol my flip literally says nothing about who is scum, it's a stupid wagon
Just please there's a ton of content and you guys decide to vote a slot with one catchup with 3 days left!!!!
urgh
It's so stupid I literally always end up scumread on d1 as town, literally every single time

What is your read on Chronus?

[Venus and Mars]

You guys really don't think there's a better wagon than me? Really??
If I flip town what are you guys going to do lol my flip literally says nothing about who is scum, it's a stupid wagon
Just please there's a ton of content and you guys decide to vote a slot with one catchup with 3 days left!!!!
urgh
It's so stupid I literally always end up scumread on d1 as town, literally every single time

I agree I think it’s a lazy wagon and probably a mislynch and you’re right. Your flip likely gives us 0 information.

[Venus and Mars]

Confidently town, imo

Can you tell me why?

[Venus and Mars]

You guys really don't think there's a better wagon than me? Really??
If I flip town what are you guys going to do lol my flip literally says nothing about who is scum, it's a stupid wagon
Just please there's a ton of content and you guys decide to vote a slot with one catchup with 3 days left!!!!
urgh
It's so stupid I literally always end up scumread on d1 as town, literally every single time

Hmm I actually think I buy this AtE
I feel like the same applies to GB. I think he's town, what will his flip say about who is scum? You asked to look at his BTE interactions and I posted about that, you ignored it

Wanna wagon KA?

Lurking may be town indicative for Maria. \_0_/

[Venus and Mars]

I have extremely good reason to believe what BTE said about his role, is true.

Which thing do you think is true?

The way he described it. I believe the things he said about Boon.

[Venus and Mars]

Why Kakeguri Addicts? Haven't been scumpinged by them at all this game.

-Cosmic

We almost lost Post-Apocalypse because of pretty much, easy last minute lower posting slot lynches and we very likely would have had the SK not killed two scum for us.

[Venus and Mars]

the woats in that game

I really think you need to tone down your use of woat. How about "bad town" or something.

In that particular game, even woats would be an understatement. I think that may have been the worst town, I’ve ever seen but point taken.

[Venus and Mars]

Auro you've been a naughty boi tsk tsk

Why? and if he has, you have my full permission to dayspank him again.

[Venus and Mars]

I just did an ISO on KA and their posting - what little of it there is, reads pretty townie, so their coasting so much is extremely frustrating.

[Venus and Mars]

He lowkey shaded me for sheeping me, which means I'm less enthusiastic about giving weight to his pushes.

*spanks Auro*

naughty naughty

You mean sheeping you HIM not you, right? Well the whole coaching thing was pretty hilarious considering I had virtually the same role in LNT and the only comment that Shiro has made about it was to concur with my selections. I still think he’s town but that did ping me slightly.

[Venus and Mars]

I have extremely good reason to believe what BTE said about his role, is true.

Which thing do you think is true?

They all received them before bte claimed he was the one that sent them. You're missing the point.

Apparently I am, so please explain it to me like I’m 5.

They all claimed to get the item around the same time then the boon post happened = less likely to be a scum play initiated by bte

As opposed to

George softing preemptively, then vecna and Fonz claim around the boon post = more likely a scum play initiated by bte.

Again, I received the PM and had to

immediately

send the items and I was banned from talking in the thread about them. It was at the same time as the mod announcement, but I don't know if they were related or perhaps if it was just a timing thing since mod happened to be online. All I know is that this secret power was activated.

It was this specific post that made me think they were town, because I completely believe Boon would do these things.

[Venus and Mars]

Yeah, typing words is hard sorry

Drinking again?

[Venus and Mars]

o/

So Cosmic and I had a discussion about our takes in the game earlier and we're mostly on the same page except for Venus and Mars. Ngl, I found VM pretty scummy because my intial thoughts were: 1) i disagreed with a lot of their takes (please don't ask me to find them) 2) rolefishing and 3) the linked scumgame because it's pretty obvious she can do better; like, she doesn't even really post in that game, how are we supposed to gauge anything from that? Also a lot of the same reasons as chkflip here. Cosmic has played with Mars before though and convinced me her play is town off meta so eh.

Vecna/Chronos/chkflip are our strongest TRs I think. I'd be ok with a Dave vote too.

~Esper

You should check out some of my towngames, then you’ll understand why your hydra partner is convinced I’m town here. If your partner is in fact DDL, he played with me in the same game you linked, as well as MG and TM and in TM, he pretty much townlocked me right out of the gate. I also have the exact same role and alignment I had in LNT, for anyone who is interested in checking that out, ask and I will be more than happy to link it. We were trying to parse Vecna by asking what he picked, because we wanted to discern if town could have such an antitown role. We haven’t done this since he claimed.

[Venus and Mars]

Also what takes of mine did you disagree with? Titus? Like Cosmic, I tr her off of meta.

[Venus and Mars]

Also what takes of mine did you disagree with? Titus? Like Cosmic, I tr her off of meta.

I would also very gratefully request that if anyone is still seriously doubting I’m town here, please link RCE’s case and not the guy who wants to punish me for bombing him in another game. Please and thank you.

[Venus and Mars]

Also what takes of mine did you disagree with? Titus? Like Cosmic, I tr her off of meta.

I would also very gratefully request that if anyone is still seriously doubting I’m town here, please link RCE’s case and not the guy who wants to punish me for bombing him in another game. Please and thank you.

It’s not that I agree with what RCE said but at least it doesn’t make me want to scream.

[Venus and Mars]

I think your scumrange is pretty high Nancy

What is your point here Auro and what is your read on me now? Because it looks like you’re trying to subtly shade me here but at least it doesn’t ping me nearly as hard as the coaching thing.

[Venus and Mars]

Cause I want you to stop the whole "I'm so obviously town if you read my town games also, I'm out of my scumrange" argument you've had a streak of 8 scum wins, no?

I think you're strongly town. I have my own tells for you.

I am out of my scumrange. If I wasn’t, you likely wouldn’t have those town tells now would you?

[Venus and Mars]

Also what takes of mine did you disagree with? Titus? Like Cosmic, I tr her off of meta.

I would also very gratefully request that if anyone is still seriously doubting I’m town here, please link RCE’s case and not the guy who wants to punish me for bombing him in another game. Please and thank you.

It’s not that I agree with what RCE said but at least it doesn’t make me want to scream.

Well you've agreed Ms could be deepwolfing (vecna + my take) and are pursuing chronos now that I've pushed there.

I think you would be more wary if you really thought I had scum potential?

I am null reading you because you fooled me last game. I don’t understand why you would think I would have any confidence in reading you after that. If you were recently completely fooled by scum!me in a game, are you seriously telling me that you would be confident you could parse me correctly?

I still lean town on MS but true, my confidence on that is less than it was initially. Re: Chronus, I am not sheeping you. Afaik, your vote is still on me, yes? So how is that in your mind a “sheep”?

Ironically for similar reasons that chk gave for GB, I don’t think the KA wagon really gives us much info and I think their chances of being a possible mislynch are imo greater than their chances of flipping scum, so I don’t think it’s the best wagon. From my experience playing with both of them - especially Maria, they tend to be a lot more active as scum. I know most of the playerlist hard tr Chronus but I haven’t been able to share that conviction.

[Venus and Mars]

The worst has towntells for me, he often figures out my alignment pretty early in game.
Do you think I have a small scumrange?

No, not at all, which is why I’m slightly suspicious of you both casting doubt on me as well as claiming to strongly tr me. Why? because you have to know it’s literally encouraging people who are wrongly sr me to try to get me mislynched.