SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

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When I get to L1 I’ll move my vote over to mastina to preserve VCA.

Yeah, I had the thought earlier (but after this comment was made) that you just wanted to up your own wagon to shift it to mastina. How do you FEEL about that?

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Quick is prob town based on activity. His content is kinda meh though.

Since when activity and alignment have a correlation?

Too far tbqh.

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I am caught up now.

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How much are Mastinas reads publically acknowledged?

What's the point of this question? And what does it mean?

Basically, which reads she shares with many people.
I was thinking about doing some ISOs and I need some pointers who is scummy.

Vecna and Tchil should probably be ISO's because there is likely Scum there.

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I only have 30 marks at this time.

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VOTE: 50 Judge Powers

I would prefer to leave this as a naked for for now.

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See the thing is, being transparent means I must be scum trying to pretend to be transparent and not being transparent means I’m scum being “reticent”. I got shit from post one. My thoughts about the game, the setup, and my reads aren’t valued and I haven’t been able to form a good block of people willing to work with me and worth working with. It’s harder to solve when half or more of my energy is spent knocking back accusations that are literal nonsense. It’s a waste of my time and skills.

How about your play is blatantly Anti-Town behavior?

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See the thing is, being transparent means I must be scum trying to pretend to be transparent and not being transparent means I’m scum being “reticent”. I got shit from post one. My thoughts about the game, the setup, and my reads aren’t valued and I haven’t been able to form a good block of people willing to work with me and worth working with. It’s harder to solve when half or more of my energy is spent knocking back accusations that are literal nonsense. It’s a waste of my time and skills.

How about your play is blatantly Anti-Town behavior?

ok.

Asking for votes on yourself is Anti-Town. I am fairly certain about that.

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Not when it will yield high value analysis.

Only if there is literally no other way. And there is almost always.

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It’s not about the wagon composition alone. You have nearly 90 pages of people either whiteknighting me or pushing me with flimsy bullshit.

There IS no other way for me to contribute meaningfully. I gave my reads. Now let me die.

Anti-Town mindset I expect from other people, but not you.

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And beware, I might hammer without claiming intent.

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I will call it... "Glory Posting"

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Oh well, my large sequence of posts would be interrupted by the mod

It's mothers day.

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Not as good as the previous years

That kinda stings tbqh.

I thought I was doing good. What happened?

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I just reread my role PM and realised I'm town???

I've been playing based on the assumption I was scum all this time£"%Tpijgk

Happens to me every other game.

I don't think this is actually a thing unless you are Creature.

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In post 1909, Tchill13 wrote:
she was under no real threat before she started acting a little odd in terms of self voting.
Precisely why the action makes no sense as town but makes perfect sense as scum. She was under no real threat. As town, she therefore has no reason to have reacted that way. As scum, she does have a reason to react that way; to garner some cheap towncred and dissuade the efforts at wagoning her before they take off. It's a move that there was low-risk to pull, but incredibly high reward.

In post 1916, Tchill13 wrote:
grabbing the spotlight d1 early for no reason on a play to AtE when its not needed makes sense how?
Precisely because it's not needed--what does ETL in the spotlight risk as scum? She wasn't even close to lynch range.

There's a weight between the possible town motive for an action, and a possible scum motive for the action. The town motive for the action is...well, honestly, it's hard to tell because there isn't much of one. The scum motive for the action is to shut down the suspicion on her slot, play wounded gazelle to get sympathizers to help defend her and divide the town and break unity, get people who're suckers for AtE to townread her.

these are all good points from the flip side of the same coin. If someone is to argue my points this is how you do it.

Why should I care what argument appeases you? If this doesn't do it?

BTW, I still think your case on ETL is NAI.

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And beware, I might hammer without claiming intent.

@Everyone

this man has 400 plus posts. Can anyone think of any hard stances he's taken with in depth reads/content to back it up?


VOTE: quick

Mastina at least made sense in her argument (scum can make valid arguments)

but quick hasnt accomplished anything imo. I dont think they've generated any meaningful interactions or content but somehow they have 400 plus posts.

I have slowed down my content today.

GLHF.

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VOTE: Hoctac
Not changing this until you get an avatar.

This is a cop-out.

I wanna vote this. But.. wagons are tasty and produce delicious fruit.

Everyone ends up wanting to vote me day one, there will be a wagon at some point.

How do you feel about the game at this point?

Up to this page it's kinda lame. Only highlight is you but I didn't expect you to be the kind of player to control the thread

That is what I was trying to say as well and ETL brushed it off.

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This is a list of people with valuable content.

mastina
Auro
dave
farside
ETL
Nero
Vecna
Hactoc
Miss Lynch
voted
Tchill

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This is more or less my reads list at this point in terms of Town/Scum equity.

Auro
mastina
Vecna
farside
dave
Nero
ETL
Miss Lynch

Hoctac
Voted
Tchill

Alchemist
Elements
Creature
Ari
FL
50 JP

5G
Jake
Saudade

[/V]Saudade[/V]

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VOTE: Saudade

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Does Ari usually just nope out as Scum or do they actually try as Scum? Serious question @Nero.

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Should probably vote ETL so we can end the day then.

QFT

Spoiler:

This is my new favorite YouTube video.

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Psst 5G, did you get that telegram I sent you?

Psst. did you get that telephone call I sent to your voicemail?

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But how can I not post if people are not posting @Nero?

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Spoiler: Saudade is not my hero

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VOTE: 50 Judge Powers

Better place to be than Ari.

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Look, I really don't want to calculate for post count so could please start posting? I would prefer to do that after the phase is over.

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Ooh so Elements is like 78% Nitrogen and 31% Oxygen

Nevermind

Okay.

But what is the last percentage?

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The special font effect in 2325 is kinda neat.
Someone else has used it before. Confirm either there is a site that generates that stuff or Hoctac is an alt.

Spoiler:

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31% is way more than normal Oxygen level. That high and stuff would be spontaneously combusting. Not to mention it adds up to 109% already without the other components.

I'm 110%, what can I say

You r like a nuclear fusion reactor set off by an atom bomb.

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can you show me some games where you kinda buddy a player and then "RVS" vote them?

Nero is learning how to use meta properly from me, this feels nice.

Betelgeuse/

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422-423 are all jokes. Telling you this when you ISO me.

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The special font effect in 2325 is kinda neat.
Someone else has used it before. Confirm either there is a site that generates that stuff or Hoctac is an alt.

Spoiler:

I don't watch random videos. What was the point of this?

Not important.

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Telling you this when you ISO me.

jokes on you b/c no one wants to read your ISO.

Just skip to page 5.

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I've missed the case on ari scum, can someone give me a tl;dr

There is none. It's just due to inactivity. I doubt Ari and farside are both Scum though.

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I cannot wait for Ari to come in here and be like, "Finals are happening so I am swamped" and/or "work has been busy af. Sorry for the inactivity"

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I almost want to say ETL is Scum just for saying mastina is Scum but I will wait for D2 to make that claim because they both have decent Town equity rn although mastina is far and away my strongest TR.

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Wagons looking good rn.

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My wagon is based on me posting too much, or no?

GLHF

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This is a list of people with valuable content.

mastina
Auro
dave
farside
ETL
Nero
Vecna
Hactoc
Miss Lynch

voted

Tchill

Where do I have any valuable content?

Maybe it wasn't you.

GLHF

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FL, let's see a RL from U.

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UNVOTE: Mastina

Didn’t realize there was a wagon there.

This is what I expect from Town FL.

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Some1 tell me why I got 5?

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VOTE: ETL

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considering the setup this is the most important day for scum to live theoretically. so get through d1. become hyper active later on. let town run in circles and lynch themselves.

isnt that the optimal strat here?

especially given town takes stances against town that setup reads for later game all the while you just sit back and chill?

and the way this game is set up you have to reevaluate reads every day. let town fight town d1 and you can arguably line up lynches while infecting widely TR'd players.

occasionally infect one of the baggage slots and youre good to go. EZ scum win.

Take your vote off me. What are you thinking? Are you daft?

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I'm going to vig ETL if they are not lynched.

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*sheeping

Where did that gusto go, eh?

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Well your mama kept you but your daddy left you
And I should’ve done you just the same
But I came to love you
Am I born to bleed?
Any old time you keep me waiting
Waiting, waiting

On that, I am heading to bed. GN.

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People who’ve been on my wagon and have justified their vote with *reasons*: mastina, auro, hoctac, Quick, Nero, and ML. Of these AT LEAST 2 of them are scum, I’d bet real dollars on it.

Just sayin. Don’t give me that bullshit about “fake wagon analysis” because I’m calling for my own lynch when you have all this garbage to analyze why someone would push me for bullshit flimsy reason.

Ah, this is what I was waiting for. Let's lynch this, Okay?

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איךךךךךךךךךךך אפשר שלא להתאהב בךךךךךךךךךךךךךך

האאאאאאאאא

coded message?

It's Hebrew.

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Okay, maybe dave is Scum.

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My vote isn't doing anything. Thought for sure I had posted more recently in this game.
VOTE: Aristophanes
Nonsensical vote hop onto MissLynch.

Why are you voting for Ari?

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Let's end the day 4 days before deadline. I think that is the correct play right now since we didn't totally fuck up yet.

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Lol worst town ever.

“I will do zero analysis.” Ok then. Good job being self aware and recognizing where you fail as town.

Maybe next time give people a chance to actually play. Bye.

Stop trying to get a better Scum game, God.

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That was a vulgar display of EMO.

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can we lynch ETL before the replacement gets here and is some charming silver-tongued devil like hectic

How about no because there are six days left in D1...

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Quicks vote hoping could be interpreted as fake scum hunting. Makes some sense with a50 given that weird as fuck thing about a50 having good content here but not being able to back it up

Okay...

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LUL hilarious replace out.

why is that slot scum again? ETL's...

Read my posts to answer your questions.

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can we lynch ETL before the replacement gets here and is some charming silver-tongued devil like hectic

How about no because there are six days left in D1...

Why are you still voting for ETL then?

Nero, do you still think that ETL is scum now that she ragequit?

Because there are 5.5 days left in the phase and I want to see how the sub responds to a wagon on them.

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We can always go back to A50. Still would lynch that.

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What about voting yourself is Pro-Town play tho (not like I am including that here)?

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I think Voted just wants to troll

the replacement.

This seems more accurate.

Bad read bro. Voted is actually trying.

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Its been so long since I played with Ari @ all. This isn't a meta based scum read, it's just that Ari's not playing and his first post was kinda sus to me.

I mean. As it so happens--Ari not playing is his scum meta and his lackluster content this game strongly indicates that he is probably scum here, so.

(Also, ended up looking it up. Whoops, was wrong on which confidant I was. We were Munehisa Iwai that game.)

I'm lackluster?

Well shit.

I had to walk 3 miles in the snow to school.... uphill too.

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It took the mod nearly an hour to calculate NA.

Here's my list:

FL
mastina
Vecna
Ari

Auro
Alchemist
farside
Voted
Miss Lynch

Hoctac
Elements
Tchill
A50
Creature

Jake the Wolfie
5G

Saudade

dave

VOTE: davesaz

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Clears given dave is Scum:

farside
Vecna
mastina
Nero
Voted
Auro

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Dave is scum?

Yes. I would say so.

Feel free to ISO me for my reason.

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J/K

My ISO is shit.

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Dave is scum?

Yes. I would say so.

Feel free to ISO me for my reason.

You should find it. It'll be Quick.

F3 is your fwen.

Okay seriously though, anti-up.

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VOTE: Tchill

Tchill is a townie dude my man

I'll bite. Why?

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VOTE: Ari

Could also vote Hoctac tbh.

You are still on Ari?

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Someone check how many people voted 5G over the course of the day, thanks.

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I assume so

Okay, I guess. No follow up here?

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I assume so

Okay, I guess. No follow up here?

Will be later.
I didn't expect mafia to play badly and not kill me, so I didn't reread it.

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VOTE: Aristophanes
I want to pressure this and see how it behaves.

I think Ari is Town, but you do you.

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It took the mod nearly an hour to calculate NA.

Here's my list:

FL
mastina
Vecna
Ari

Auro
Alchemist
farside
Voted
Miss Lynch

Hoctac
Elements
Tchill
A50
Creature

Jake the Wolfie
5G

Saudade

dave

VOTE: davesaz

I am assuming this is right for ~raisins~

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Everyone on the ETL wagon is conftown.

EspeciallyTheLies,

Town Email Spammer

, was executed Day 1.

??

That was.. Quick.

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Whoah, dave is pissed.

slow down bro, I had you at Null which is pretty easy to see if you see a list I have some way back. Your anger indicates you are Town though.

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This is more or less my reads list at this point in terms of Town/Scum equity.

Auro
mastina
Vecna
farside
dave
Nero
ETL
Miss Lynch

Hoctac
Voted
Tchill

Alchemist
Elements
Creature
Ari
FL
50 JP

5G
Jake
Saudade

[/V]Saudade[/V]

VOTE: Saudade

For reference, jeeperz creeperz.

List is a bit diff now which is this:

FL
mastina
Vecna
Ari

Auro
Alchemist
farside
Voted

dave
Miss Lynch

Hoctac
Elements
Tchill
A50
Creature

Jake the Wolfie
5G

Saudade

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Heyo hiyo I'm town.

Gonna do some reading. If someone could summarize the important stuff I would be very appreciative.

No claims so far.

There are a good deal of pointless players in this game, but I am pretty sure it is salvagable.

ETL self voted themselves. Assuming the best of intentions, that means they just thought mastina was Scum afaict.

I have mastina as my second highest TR IIRC, but YMMV. ETL was lynched before a replacement came in.

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It took the mod nearly an hour to calculate NA.

Here's my list:

FL
mastina
Vecna
Ari

Auro
Alchemist
farside
Voted
Miss Lynch

Hoctac
Elements
Tchill
A50
Creature

Jake the Wolfie
5G

Saudade

dave

VOTE: davesaz

garbage. Im down for quick or mastina to get gone.

Okay, but you could very well be Scum.

But if you want to actually analyze this like I have maybe you would come to the exact same conclusion given you are in my shoes.

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But if you want to actually analyze this like I have maybe you would come to the exact same conclusion given you are in my shoes.

I have analyzed.

you, hoctac and mastina are the scummiest players atm.

dave and vecna's slot are my top 2 TR's.

Bro, if you think I can mass post like this as Scum, you are out of your head.

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Bro, if you think I can mass post like this as Scum, you are out of your head.

nah, I think its weak when players start saying im too bad as scum to be scum. Im looking at the content you provide. Idc what your opinion of yourself is.

Do you even look for psychological tells?

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Do you even look for psychological tells?

i dont even know what this means.

apparently what i use is nai but please tell me how to read you which will also give me a TR of you, conveniently.

"convenient" is a convenient excuse.

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Man there's a lot of people in this game, huh?

5 pages in: Miss Lynch reads like a confident but wrong townie. Early scumreads on Auro, Nero Cain, and Vecna (who is now TrueSoulEnergy). Nero felt a bit performative from the start. Auro gave me the impression he wanted to push ETL but was concerned about how people saw him. Vecna's reads just come off as someone who knows more than they're letting on.
...
I like and agree with Alchemist's early reads. Had some of the same feelings, so they're a townread for now.

Auro starts to feel a bit townier as things continue but idk, could just be a decent scum player. farside I have no idea on, they're null to me. Tchill starting to feel iffy to me but couldn't say why.
Man I'm only 10 pages in. I ain't being thorough any further especially considering this is a cult game. Gonna skip to day 2 unless there are things I need to see and then just ISO later as needed.

Just skip me and read my last 50 or so posts.

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Why is no one at L-1 yet?

Everyone on the ETL wagon is conftown.

How even do you figure!? XD

I have a wagon-cop-check. The ETL wagon returned and innocent.

Was this a real claim?????

OKay so I read from page 99 up as recommended.

Town: Aristophanes, Alchemist, 50 Judge Powers

Scum: Auro, Nero Cain, Vecna, mastina

Someone said they have "normal" roles or something in this game - cult.

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can i get away with not catching up

its a cult game and there are 115 pages sooooooo

pls

I gave some info to the recent sub in the last few pages. IDK if that is sufficient or not, but no one is complaining.

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farside
Alchemist
Miss Lynch
50 JP
dave
Nero

Clear on mastina Scum flip.

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I'm not that interested in your self meta. Showing you have had a lackluster game does nothing to prove that you're not scum posting up a storm in this game.

Self meta is Scummy. Just state your shit and go.

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VOTE: Flavour Leaf

Hoctac
Auro
Creature

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This is a cult game btw.

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Does Cult kill or only convert?

Uncertain. My theory craft is that there is a Mafia Cult leader of some sort. There might also be an arsonist and possibly a GF.

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anyways i can find cures

so infected claim you got infected, ill cure you tonight

Maybe we should work out a code for this or something. S... O... S...

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also please dont fakeclaim infected, i will infect you if you are not infected

But I already did???

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dont troll here quick if im confused and i target you, you will become infected

unless thats what you want

That is why I said it was a FAKE claim, like you said.

Plus, you could just be Scum and want to keel the infected. Or something else strange could happen. My advice: Look for clues that people are infected. It might actually be better that Scum know who the infected is and Town doesn't for who knows what reasons because this game is WHACK and I love it.

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dave, I really want to ask you how your solve is coming. Do you have any serious reads at this point?

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Twice per game, mafia may kill any player that they choose. Aside from those two instances, mafia possess the ability to factionally infect a player and to kill an infected player each night.

Ah crap so I can’t do what I wanted to do.
Guess I’ll have to wait until Mafia uses their 2 attacks.

Very nice. You can be Town. Who did you replace?

You spew: Miss Lynch. Boy, you have a lot of work ahead of you. Good job so far though.

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like i just told you that guessing wrong means i INFECT rather than cure the infection

being explicit is a lot cooler

Spoiler:

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i mean if infected dont know anything thats pretty valuable knowledge for town to have

and if they out they get cured anyways, so /shrug for them they can go back to legit scumhunting with us then instead of playing scum

The problem: we don't have the slightest fucking clue how this game works yet.

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Seeking replacements for Elements and Miss Lynch.

this game is a fucking mess.

But are you Scum?

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if i get infected then it is what it is

im not going to play to prevent myself from being infected, i actually quite enjoy playing scum

.

I have no words for this.

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Nero felt a bit performative from the start.

Seeking replacements for Elements and Miss Lynch.

this game is a fucking mess.

But are you Scum?

??????

sometimes I don't really understand what u post. but no

You passed the test congrats. 100 pts for you and yours.

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I hope I don't have to use all 60 colors this game. What a nightmare.

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I will take you up on that Nero.

VOTE: Tchill

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I wonder if it would benefit us to announce if we’ve been infected? There’s bound to be someone with the ability to target infected with a cure or something.

That would probably be the most optimal move but is probably also considered as playing against your new wincon. Whoever gets infected should check with the mod about that if the mod doesn’t just shoot down the idea in thread.

Oh. Good point.

Claiming scum by yourself or with other players is fine provided that it is clear to the moderator you are not attempting to throw the game.

@mod: HYPOTHETICALLY speaking, if an infected person were to claim they were infected for the purpose of hoping someone had a cure, Would it be considered throwing the game?

Since you should strive to achieve your current win condition, this would likely count as not playing towards your win condition. (Getting cured does not advance the Infected win condition.)

Fwiw, given the time of the out/in, there is very very small chance poka could have known this.

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FL
mastina
Vecna
Ari

Auro
Alchemist
farside
Voted

dave
Miss Lynch

Hoctac
Elements
Tchill
A50
Creature

Jake the Wolfie
5G

Saudade

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Meaning? Are you suggesting he was trying to get someone modkilled or that he was trying to look proTown by claiming to be able to cure people?

That would be a VERY serious accusation to make against someone. No, I am suggesting Poka is Town here.

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Hot take: Alchemist is confirmed Scum based on my super secret analysis of his play.

VOTE: Alchemist

Nero doesn't seem to want to take me up on pushing Tchill so I will do this. Which I really have zero idea why everyone is giving Tchill such respect at this point, but it's whatevs.

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And Tchill is Scum based on meta as well. Will link the game I am thinking of where I literally screamed that Tchill was Scum and then FL screamed at me back for, get this, not believing his claim.

GLHF.

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Okay, have a beautiful time!

viewtopic.php?p=9724034#p9724034

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Oh hay look, it was my very first game with Tchill.

viewtopic.php?p=9656475#p9656475

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Numbered lists are a pain in the ass to work with. I guess I'll leave the numbers.
I'm just going to spew what my running take is without trying to go back and research.

1. Creature - meta says scum, can't remember a single useful post
2. Auro - occasional townish behavior but I've seen that recently where he flipped scum. null and not a priority
3. Hoctac - can't remember anything that is explicitly useful to town
4. 5G Tower - scum tinted hammer, yet another slot with no explicitly town behavior
5. Jake the Wolfie - only on number 5 and this is the 4th slot with no useful posts
6. Aristophanes - fits in the category with Auro where there are some townish things but I'd be hard pressed to remember a stance from him
7. Quick - all over the fucking place, probably town because scum would have to be more careful, but without coherent progression it doesn't help me solve much
8. TrueSoulEnergy - don't remember who this replaced, maybe this will be a game where he's trustworthy but will need to see it
9. Voted - has said a few things
10. Alchemist21 - another in the Auro/Ari category where occasionally a post will look vaguely town but darned if I can remember them
11. Nahdia - catch up looked town motivated, don't know who she replaced so will require a review
12. Flavor Leaf - I'm getting a strong "buried in RL stuff" vibe. Lacks any purpose which could mean town given that he tends to actively drive chaos when scum
13. gobbledygook - replaced who? Has he posted?
14. davesaz - I'm town and I'm going to trigger a bunch of people by not removing myself from the list.
16. 50 Judge Powers - feels town by meta. I feel confident I'd recognize scum 50
17. mastina - Seriously gets on my nerves but the style / read clash probably means she's town
18. Miss Lynch - Feels scummy but I think it's probably a playstyle driven thought
19. Nero Cain - Seems town but seems very wrong in his reads, or at least selected ones
20. Tchill13 - Strongest TR, though I'm susceptible to the same agreement bias that I was so kind to point out earlier
21. Saudade - Feels antitown as fuck but I believe I have a major playstyle clash with him. So it's more of a null than scum thing

I would not be the slightest bit surprised if at least 2 scum are in the A's plus the lurkers.
{Auro, Alchemist, Aristophanes, 5G, Creature, Hoctac, Jake, gobbledygook} are the slots I most want to sort.
The A's probably have enough content but require me to do work to sort. Auro is least likely in that list but most dangerous.
The lurkers need to post

useful stuff

or perish. That means taking stances on reads and backing those stances up with evidence.

Thank you, very helpful.

I know these are surface level observations from you but I will not ask for more detail on all of them.

Please give me your case on Town!Tchill. I would love more in depth thoughts here.

P.S. Still waters run deep. I have always appreciated your patience, dave.

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J/K

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@dave

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=61893=

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@Nero, where is your vote rn?

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You disappoint me.

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@Nero, if you go Tchill, I will.

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what do u think of Dave?

I had him as Null, but right now? I think he is showing his colors nicely as Town. Usually when you get someone to put in the extra effort they are just Town.

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That said, he's going to have to show both of us that Tchill is Town IIRC.

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Same thing for Tchill that I said about ETL. His thought process bleeds town and I find it impossible to understand why anyone would scumread it. Show me something specifically scummy and explain why.

Pedit: 5 minutes or less, impressions on every player, go!

I do not possess those abilities.

But ask a question, and you will get an answer.

FL - personally find his interactions interesting
mastina - personally find her interactions interesting
Vecna - personally find his interactions interesting
Ari - personally find that his interactions are interesting given the low post count

Auro - personally, his interactions are pretty good. Not the best, but pretty good
Alchemist - N/A
farside - Town because I said so
Voted - Town, because I find their interactions interesting

dave +^
Miss Lynch - Too many posts to be Scum

Hoctac - Trolelelelele in a good way
Elements - IDEK with this one
Tchill - He is calling what AI now?
A50 - big pile of nothing
Creature - Null. Lot of good and bad mixed in together

Jake the Wolfie - Kill it
5G - Kill it

Saudade - I am a murderer at this point.

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It took the mod nearly an hour to calculate NA.

Here's my list:

FL
mastina
Vecna
Ari

Auro
Alchemist
farside
Voted
Miss Lynch

Hoctac
Elements
Tchill
A50
Creature

Jake the Wolfie
5G

Saudade

dave

VOTE: davesaz

Why am i that high up

Good question that I will not answer at this time.

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And Tchill is Scum based on meta as well. Will link the game I am thinking of where I literally screamed that Tchill was Scum and then FL screamed at me back for, get this, not believing his claim.

GLHF.

Was this the game that I wanted to PL you as conf town

Yup.

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A50 - big pile of nothing

Liar! I only had 64 posts (this is my 65th) and you have 522 as we speak. I'd say my pile is a hell lot smaller than yours, so it can never be called a BIG pile of nothing.

That is where you are wrong. Your content is very bland.

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VOTE: Alchemist

Gunna have to do better than this or you're just Scum.

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@Nadhia: Look at the d1 player list before replacements. Just the list in a vacuum, without considering actual contributions.
If scum wanted to mislynch potential power town as defined by reputation alone, who are the top 3 candidates for potential power town?
Others may answer if they like.
There is a reason for the question, that I'll keep to myself for now.

I pretty much never look at PRs. Don't need to as Town.

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@Nadhia: Look at the d1 player list before replacements. Just the list in a vacuum, without considering actual contributions.
If scum wanted to mislynch potential power town as defined by reputation alone, who are the top 3 candidates for potential power town?
Others may answer if they like.
There is a reason for the question, that I'll keep to myself for now.

I pretty much never look at PRs. Don't need to as Town.

That is a misinterpretation, but I understand the reason for it.

Not power roles.
Power town. The kind of people who can drive a solve. Paragon candidates.

In that case... My PT list is:

FL
Myself (yup, I am confident I will solve this game at some point in the game)
and possibly mastina (given she is Town).

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VOTE: Alchemist

Gunna have to do better than this or you're just Scum.

I’ll keep this post in mind for future reference.

Please ISO hactoc and let me know what you think of my comment after the fact. I understand you have probably not read much of the game. Hactoc is a good push at this point.

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VOTE: saudade

ur case is utter shite but its the best case ive read so far

my dms are open

VOTE: saudade

heck yea we take those.

This makes me happy in the pants

VOTE: Saudade

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Oh, I'm late to the party! XD

VOTE: saudade

Did I say Ari was Town yet? Yeah? Like 10 times already? Okay, thanks.

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like I pointed out it was the lack of scum motivation with ETL that made her town. VOTE: mastina

Still up for this, Tchill?

ofc

VOTE: mastina

This is going to need some explaining and not the NAI kind...

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This is going to need some explaining and not the NAI kind...

correct kind...

fixed it for you

Congrats that makes no sense.

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This is going to need some explaining and not the NAI kind...

its because of how she handled the ETL situation.

Mastina had more experience with ETL and I pretty much guessed off ETLs personality she was town while mastina hammered home she was scum.

Im also aware mastina is a really good player and I'd expect her to read ETL correctly there.

Does mastina have BoP? Didn't think you could get lynched for being wrong.

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Does mastina have BoP?

BoP?

Burden of proficiency. And no, she doesn't. No one does D1.

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idk how you SR someone for being town read and having content that looks towny.

Mastina had more experience with ETL and I pretty much guessed off ETLs personality she was town while mastina hammered home she was scum.

Im also aware mastina is a really good player and I'd expect her to read ETL correctly there.

*sigh*

This is a Bull Shit reason to SR someone, seriously.

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This is a Bull Shit reason to SR someone, seriously.

bull shit reason for calling ETL town but wooptie do i was right. So either hop on my luck wagon or get out the way. Because i already know you believe i have no idea what im talking about. Ofc youre an alt that has played with me before (or youve just played with me b4 and i cant remember). Either way youre starting to get annoying. You dont care to even try and see why this perspective makes sense to me. You only care to belittle.

No, I just think you have pretty good Scum equity.

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ircher is taking a hardline stance against answering in mech questions so i assume infected knowing their alignments or not isn't the actual problem but probably something about existence of cures

Okay so you are clear then. Read my posts near SoD.

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There's a weight between the possible town motive for an action, and a possible scum motive for the action. The town motive for the action is...well, honestly, it's hard to tell because there isn't much of one. The scum motive for the action is to shut down the suspicion on her slot, play wounded gazelle to get sympathizers to help defend her and divide the town and break unity, get people who're suckers for AtE to townread her.

mastinas case on etl essentially boils down to:

"ETL isnt good enough to trick me like she has yall. She's played a perfect scum game (or a terrible town game, if so not my fault LULz) But I, Mastina, can't be fooled. I have caught her."

Again, being wrong doesn't mean you are Scum... Especially D1. Come on now, be serious here.

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quick why do I have scum equity.

Because your interactions with other people suck balls.

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hey quick would you bus here btw

if you were theoretically scum

also to your best guess would what do you think infected would know

I would push my scum buddies really hard if I was Scum here. At least I would in the past. I have won a lot of Scum games doing that. Works very well.

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if you had to guess do you think infected would know anything about the scumteam

I wouldn't know. I can't say. If I was to guess... If I am infected, I sure af do not know who the Scum Team is for sure.

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But I do not even know if I am infected or not, so Iunno.

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But I do not even know if I am infected or not, so Iunno.

infected would know if they are infected so are you explicitly saying something or should you just ignore this post instead to not explicitly confirm anything

If you KNOW you are infected, then I'm not.

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@mastina...

Huge post. I will try and digest it at some point. That said, you have never seen me as Scum AFAIK.

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Spoiler: Breakdown of reads on every single slot on the game

To reference my last readslist:

Nero Cain
No łynch/Voted

Auro
Vecna/TrueSoulEnergy
Miss Lynch/OkaPoka

Quick
Hoctac

Elements/Nahdia
Alchemist21
davesaz

Saudade
farside22/gobbledygook
Tchill13

Flavor Leaf
50 Judge Powers

Jake the Wolfie
5G Tower

momo/Creature
Aristophanes

I have zero doubts about anyone in the Miss Lynch/OkaPoka tier and above. Nero Cain this game is absolutely never scum. No lynch/Voted is literally an innocent child and thus cannot be scum. Auro is also at locktown of locktown stages (and frankly deserves to be protected by a doctor given just how town he is--Vecna versus Auro would've been tough to choose on, but while TSE is just as town Vecna's a better gamesolver than TSE whereas Auro is comparable to Vecna); this is not him as scum. Vecna was firmly in his towngame and literally nothing TSE could do would ever ruin my townread there (not that TSE could, given that TSE is also playing to

his

towngame, too).

Miss Lynch was also in this tier due to everything being town, and also being town for Enter. OkaPoka's posting also continues the trend, as he is playing in a way that I don't think he does if he were scum.


When it comes to everyone below that tier, there's obviously doubts on everyone, save for Creature and Aristophanes (who I remain pretty sure are scum--not 100% absolutely, I do have doubts, but those doubts are paranoia more than legitimate).


Quick has been overwhelmingly acting as I would expect him to if he were town, from my memory of him as a player. Everything he does just radiates the aura of being town, and his progression in reads displays a nuance I wouldn't expect him to be able to display as scum. He has reads and reasons that show a trajectory of thought to them that, moonlogicky as they can be, have a reasonability to them that show what appears to be actual, genuine thought in them, in a way that I don't think he can fake as scum.

The doubt comes from a combination of not having seen him play in a long time, not being all to familiar with him now, not having perfect memory of him, others having displayed suspicion on him and many of said players suspecting him also being townreads and me wanting to trust their assessments of him, and that it's not utterly impossible for a scum player to play the way he has.

He is my strongest non-locktown read because while those aforementioned doubts are strong enough to keep him from being in the locktown tier, I feel like they are more in the realm of paranoia than reasonable doubt.


Hoctac is also equally as town to Quick, due to a similar presence. Hoctac's posts contain a unique mixture of shitposting and gamesolving in a way that is incredibly hard to balance as scum, and I can trace where Hoctac's more serious gamesolving posts come from as well as see why Hoctac's less serious posts are being made. Overwhelmingly, Hoctac radiates the aura of a town player who is at ease in this game, and I struggle to see how scum could do what Hoctac has done so fluently and naturally.

The doubt here comes from utter unfamiliarity with Hoctac as a player. I have no clue what Hoctac is like as town and scum, no frame of reference for whether this is normal from him as any alignment, no real idea of whether Hoctac is town or scum by meta. (Plus, multiple slots being suspicious of him and me wanting to trust that they're onto something with said suspicion, and him being a borderline-lurker.) I will say that, disregarding meta, Hoctac would be one of my strongest townreads this game, and it is only this lack of familiarity with meta keeping Hoctac from being locktown.

Given that, that suspicion is firmly in the realms of mostly-paranoia.


Elements might've initially struck my scumdar, but later Elements posting greatly improved this read, because it actually looked like what I expect from Elements when he is town: radiating the aura of mislynch bait, but with content that shows a town mindset to it rather than a scum one. This was enough for a reasonably strong read.

Nahdia since then has been largely net-neutral to that read, neither strengthening it nor really weakening it, doing pretty much nothing to the slot, outside of paranoia of "what if I was wrong?" due to Nahdia not being as gamesolvey as I would like. So maybe, maybe a bit weaker than when the slot was Elements, but if so, due to feelings that are more borne from paranoia than anything else. The doubts I get from Nahdia don't actually feel like they're alignment indicative, so much as it is I am probably doubting Nahdia for being...well, Nahdia. So given that the doubts probably spurn from paranoia rather than reasonable doubts, the townread remains fairly strong.


Alchemist21 is below Nahdia for good reason. I initially thought that this might be a lurker-scumgame from Alchemist, and that feeling hasn't entirely subsided. He's still overall fairly lowkey this game and things feel like he

could

be a scum player contributing to the scum planning. He's the first read where I feel like my doubts aren't paranoia, but actually reasonable doubts to have due to him not radiating town everywhere. With Alch, instead of radiating town, it's more like we get bouts, small bursts where he shows he's more likely town, followed by a bunch of posts (or even a lack thereof) that basically nullify that boon. There's also a number of slots that have held him as suspicious, too.

...But, that having been said: I just get the gut feeling that Alch is town here. He's one of the strongest gut-based townreads that I have in this game. If not THE strongest gut-townread I have. It's just, between not thinking this is his scumgame and thinking that he looks town, I get the strong sense that he is town.


davesaz is definitely below Nahdia, albeit not by much, but I'm not actually sure if he's below, above, or equal to Alch in levels of townness. I will say that, overwhelmingly, he does feel town to me, but I admit, this is actually more effort than I'd expect from davesaz in a game--that's counterbalanced though by it being more effort than I'd expect from davesaz

regardless of his alignment

, so that means regardless of town or scum, he's performing at a higher level than I would expect, meaning that tryharding is almost assuredly not a scumtell.

Basically, my doubts on davesaz come from: I'm not intimately familiar with his meta; I don't expect him to perform at this high of a level; there are many players suspicious of him and I want to trust that they are onto something; I don't think I have a historically good davesaz read-rate so my townread on him could be an erroneous one borne from me not knowing how to read him.

I don't think these fears are entirely unfounded, so it's not

entirely

paranoia, but I think it's so close to being basically paranoia that it might as well be paranoia. By and large, this feels like a case where he should be town, because my reasons for thinking he wouldn't be are, by and large, not solid, and self-evidently flawed. With the reasons to think that he's not town being self-evidently flawed, and the reason that I think he's town being fairly solid (he's putting in a strong performance here when he has little reason to as scum), that means that balance of probability, he is far more likely to be town than scum.


Saudade is where he is at for good reason. I'm tempted to die on a hill and double down on defending him here because yes I see he is being wagoned right now (I was caught up as of me starting to post, that is, I read everything before 3245--haven't read the stuff after that, will do so after finishing here), but truth be told he's one of my most-conflicted reads. This entire tier, him, the farside slot, FL (he's listed below in a tier but he's also among the conflicted reads), and Tchill, are precisely that;

Of all the reads in the game, these four are the three I am most back-and-forth on.

Saudade in particular, I did initially scumread him and his content, but his later posting showed a direction that I thought was town-indicative. But, I am very much not familiar with him as a player and there's a wagon on him driven by multiple players who I trust to be town, and also to be more familiar with him, and those are reasonable doubts to have.


farside radiated town to me, but never to the extent where I could locktown her as part of the locktown tier. She may have been one of my strongest townreads in the non-locktown tier, but Turkey has utterly killed that townread altogether--the turkey that I am seeing here is

not

the Turkey that I've come to know and respect as one of the best scumhunters in 2020. The Turkey that I know is hyper-active, a hyper-poster who produces boatloads of content and is one of the best damn solvers around. This Turkey has done none of that. The Turkey I know is utterly an overachiever, putting in a ton of extra effort into games; this game he...isn't.

This is pretty much entirely a debate of replacement versus original holder of the slot. If I were judging by farside's content, I'd call the slot rock-solid town; judging by Turkey's content, I'd call the slot arguably just as strong a scumread as the likes of Creature and Aristophanes.


Tchill's too low on the list as posted above, since he should be above both farside/Turkey and Saudade. By content and by meta, he'd be a townread because I've liked what I've seen and from what I know of his meta this looks to be him as town since it doesn't seem to match what I know of his scumgame. He's similar in Quick in how he's someone that is producing thoughts that, while I may not agree with, I understand where they come from and can trace the thought of, and is incredibly active, and has a meta that I have some awareness of but not perfect awareness of.

It is that lack of perfect awareness, similarly to Quick, where the doubt on the townread comes from. He is someone who could be hyper-active scum; of all the slots in the game, if this game were to have a hyperactive scum, he is by FAR the most probable contender. I am not intimately familiar with his meta, and his content is not something scum could never ever produce, and those who scumread him do bring up some valid criticisms of his play, and I want to have faith that they are onto something.

So, the doubts on him don't feel like they're paranoia, but on the other hand, in spite of the doubts feeling reasonable, not feeling like paranoia, they also don't feel right to me, because him being town feels right. He's definitely not the strongest gut-townread I have, but I'd say he's among them, because while I may not have any solid evidence that this is him as town, it

feels

like he's town. I still have twangs of doubt, where I think, "what if he's scum? He could be, given X Y Z", but overall he's more town than scum to me.


FL is...well. Flavor Leaf. If you think that he's an easy read in general, it's a dubious claim at best. Saying he's an easy read in

this

game would make you an outright fucking liar because he isn't. I still lean town on him more than scum, but like. *hitoshrug* It's very hard to get a read here.


50 Judge Powers is a read which is weaker so the low placement is appropriate, but unlike the reads above, this one doesn't have much doubt to it so much as it is, that's basically the only really appropriate read to hold I feel. I feel like Almost50's content this game isn't enough to earn him a locktown or lockscum status, but between my own read and wanting to trust the others' reads on him, I do think town is more likely than scum, albeit not to the same margin as some others who have him as town.


Jake the Wolfie is a case of a read whose contributions shifted overnight. On D1 Jake was a lurksack of lurksacks, doing absolutely fuckall of anything, being a worthless zero-content slot who never did anything. While the current Jake of D2 hasn't been the MOST content-filled, there's a night and day difference, because this Jake I get townie vibes from his posting and what he's doing, and that he's been giving things which look town.

If Jake has a meta of being a lurker as town and active as scum, my read on Jake would be that Jake was the N1 infect, originally town but currently not town. But otherwise, if that's not Jake's meta, then...fucked if I know. The improvement makes it less likely that he's an original groupscum, but I have no clue.


5G has done basically nothing town the entire game other than lurk. This isn't a lockscum read, but more a POE solve read, in that I have townreads on most of the other players and 5G is not among them.


momo, I feel like I had a legitimate initial reason for the scumread on the slot: momo confirmed, but never posted. Creature came in and then proceeded to...lurk. While Creature has stepped up more recently and his meta has changed, where he can have inactive towngames and hyperactive scumgames, he still has the tendency to, as scum, not give effort in a game until there is a need to give it--which fits this game.

Moreover, there is a particular thing that I look for from Creature when he is town compared to when he is scum--and even in his more recent posting, this is absent. I'll hint at this when I quote his posts in a bit (after I finish this wall, I've still got pages of pages to respond to and the content I am referring to is in there), but basically, there is a critical factor that is absent from Creature that I'd expect to see if he were town, and simply put, I haven't seen him yet.


Aristophanes is, simply put, in his scum meta. This is him as scum. I'm not referring to the utter lack of content from him, though that is a contributing factor; the content he

has

given is

still

his scumgame. Basically, there's Aristophanes scumtells unrelated to activity, and he's tripping them. (That said, yes, the lack of content from him is still, contrary to his assertions, an indicator that he's scum. Similarly to Creature above, just because his meta has shifted where he can be hyperactive as scum and can be a lurksack as town does not mean he doesn't have a predisposition to vastly favor being a lurksack as scum.)

To put that into an updated readslist:
Nero Cain
No łynch/Voted

Auro
Vecna/TrueSoulEnergy
Miss Lynch/OkaPoka

Quick
Hoctac

Elements/Nahdia
Alchemist21 + davesaz

Tchill13

Saudade
farside22/gobbledygook

Flavor Leaf
50 Judge Powers

Jake the Wolfie
5G Tower

momo/Creature
Aristophanes

Very loosely. As I said, Nero and Voted cannot be scum; Auro, TSE, and Oka weren't starting scum but god only knows who was infected.
Quick and Hoctac strongest townreads with virtually zero doubts; Nahdia, Alch, and davesaz pretty strong townreads but not to the 'strongest' townreads with slightly greater (but still more paranoia than not) doubts. Tchill probably town but with some small doubts; Saudade a townread but with doubts; farside/Turkey a literal divide in the occupier of the slot; FL and 50 Judge both weak town; Jake null; 5G nullscum; Creature and Aristophanes solidly scum.

I agree with almost all of your reads... roughly speaking. If we take Creature and Ari at the bottom and put them somewhere in the middle and put FL at the top, that's more or less my Reads List.

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Oh and put Saudae and the very bottom because they do NOTHING with all their posts they have.

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Honestly, I’m null, but I saw the replace out.

VOTE: ETL

Move on from this day phase. I can’t catch up Day 1. 106 pages. I’ve read like 1.

not a fan of this either

Quick, Mastina, Hoctac, FL is my scum list atm.

Probably all Town tbqh.

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More or less where I am rn...

Jake, dave, Auro
mastina, Tchill, farside, Vecna, Voted
Hoctac, Ari, FL, Miss Lynch, Nero
Nhadia
Saudade
Creature
5G

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VOTE: Creature

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1. Creature - meta says scum, can't remember a single useful post
4. 5G Tower - scum tinted hammer, yet another slot with no explicitly town behavior
5. Jake the Wolfie - only on number 5 and this is the 4th slot with no useful posts
6. Aristophanes - fits in the category with Auro where there are some townish things but I'd be hard pressed to remember a stance from him
10. Alchemist21 - another in the Auro/Ari category where occasionally a post will look vaguely town but darned if I can remember them
12. Flavor Leaf - I'm getting a strong "buried in RL stuff" vibe. Lacks any purpose which could mean town given that he tends to actively drive chaos when scum
13. gobbledygook - replaced who? Has he posted?
16. 50 Judge Powers - feels town by meta. I feel confident I'd recognize scum 50

The lurkers need to post

useful stuff

or perish. That means taking stances on reads and backing those stances up with evidence.

Realtalk here by the way.
I know people are like, "policy lynches are bad!!!", but like.
Legitimately.

I feel like we net 2-3 of the original scumteam by adapting the policy of "Lynch All Lurkers".
Yes, we would also hit town with that policy, and a fair number of them, too. (Notably, I agree with the take on FL and I very much want to trust dave's take on Almost50 so if you remove those two, you get the lurker pool of {Creature, 5G, Jake, Aristophanes, Alch, Turkey}, and of those the only one I would defend myself is Alchemist, so in the pool of Creature/5G/Jake/Ari/Turkey I'd expect to hit 2-3 scum.)

But I sincerely feel that a strategic implementation of Lynch All Lurkers, scummiest lurker to least scummy Lurker, would net us the original scum. At least two of them but honestly? Probably just legit all three.

I really DO think that the scumteam this game IS in the lurkers, barring the possibility of one of them being in the outliers (e.g. the likes of Tchill/Saudade being scum).

You really are brilliant, you know that?

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Case Quick. And how come you have no comment on me, Turkey?

My Hero! Wait, is it actually Hactoc that is my hero? I forget.

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Case Quick. And how come you have no comment on me, Turkey?

My Hero! Wait, is it actually Hactoc that is my hero? I forget.

You have no hero. Mwahaha

Surprisingly accurate.

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I'm the hero y'all deserve, but not the one you need right now.

Corny jokes in 2020 never goes out of style.

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Let's just lynch Saudade so no one has to replace in for them

Can't tell if joking or not...

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Throw at me hard math problems. Prefer probability questions :3

These are averages. What do you do with them?

6.95 4.16 126.26 1.2 62.13 56.73

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I've consistently pushed the same people over and over in D1. Try harder. It boils down to lynching useless slots to get people who actually put in effort. I have never been good at pushing lynches though on my correct Scum reads.

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I'm still here but not all that interested in this game. Still feel Dave and tchill should die. And a50.

Explain A50 because I am pretty sure I agree. I also agree on Tchill, but I feel dave is Town here.

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The actual content of her posts is Town. She’s laying out every single read in a way that anyone can see the progression and how they’ve developed. I also doubt scum goes this hard on a self meta argument.

scum cant do that? Just because she has more time and effort she's town right? cool.

I mean... yeah lol. You sound unhappy about this development, though. Are you unhappy because of the principle of the reads on Mastina or is it something else?

its a bit annoying that you can just effort your way to town with multiple long posts.

I understand the progressions make sense but if everyone was town for that scum wins would be pretty damn easy.

What is your read on me?

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The distinctive coastal and inland habitats...

lol'd not reading this.

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Ari seems like he's having fun, which makes him Town?

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The actual content of her posts is Town. She’s laying out every single read in a way that anyone can see the progression and how they’ve developed. I also doubt scum goes this hard on a self meta argument.

scum cant do that? Just because she has more time and effort she's town right? cool.

I mean... yeah lol. You sound unhappy about this development, though. Are you unhappy because of the principle of the reads on Mastina or is it something else?

its a bit annoying that you can just effort your way to town with multiple long posts.

I understand the progressions make sense but if everyone was town for that scum wins would be pretty damn easy.

It’s not about the effort as much as being able to clearly see her thought process, and I don’t see any scum motivation in what she’s saying.

Can you talk a bit more about "reading between the lines" of mastinias posts, because this seems a bit TMI.

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Creature has zero "bite" in any of his posts so he is probably Scum here.

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Creature has zero "bite" in any of his posts so he is probably Scum here.

Not like I actually expect this comment to generate any reactions or anything, just stating a fact.

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Prodding Creature (1d 10h). He has (expired on 2020-05-20 19:30:00) to respond in-thread before I seek a replacement.

More votes on Creature pls.

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Creature has zero "bite" in any of his posts so he is probably Scum here.

Not like I actually expect this comment to generate any reactions or anything, just stating a fact.

You'll get a reaction anyway.

Unfortunately my experience with Creature is that lacking bite is a universal thing with him.
I used to try to pound on him to get some kind of actual stance on things, without any effect.

The really sad thing is that most people just ignore that his posting totally lacks useful content, and read him based on posting anything->town, not posting->scum.

When I say "bite" I mean saying things that actually are not terrible posts.

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Creature has zero "bite" in any of his posts so he is probably Scum here.

Not like I actually expect this comment to generate any reactions or anything, just stating a fact.

Is that what you think Mastina is looking for as well?

Not sure. Could be. But I haven't played in 2 years so my meta on Creature might be outdated. That said, it's all I have at this point.

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We are assuming players know they are infected on the night they get the virus.

I asked the mod. He said so.

Bullshit. I asked the mod and they said no comment.

VOTE: Voted

yo this needs to be revisited

Good call.

If this starts a 1v1 I am going to side with Jake at this point.

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Chooo choooo.

VOTE: Voted

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all yalls is so angry all the time. u guys need to meditate or medicate or smoke a bowl or get laid or something. jesus fuck.

Classic Nero.

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This is based on my new extra spicy method of catching Scum. This is the reason Nero said I was Town for effort IIRC. Because he was in this game and one of the Scum I nailed with my method. The only problem with my method is it can take a while to generate accurate reads. But after a few game days it's probably dead accurate.

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I mean, you call me scum every game so you're going to be eventually correct @ some point.

Yeah, except my reads that game were dead accurate. And my reads were based on this new method I have developed. Going to keep using this method until it proves wrong. Then I will probably just have to add something else to it rather than just scrapping it. I have a bunch of stuff I can use at this point, but I want to see what is actually accurate first.

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Well, well. That looks like a pretty good case.

VOTE: Jake

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I agree with almost all of your reads... roughly speaking.

I missed the part where I said Voted is Lock Town.

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More or less where I am rn...

Jake, dave, Auro
mastina, Tchill, farside, Vecna, Voted
Hoctac, Ari, FL, Miss Lynch, Nero
Nhadia
Saudade
Creature
5G

WHAT THE FUCK

Why does my reads list deserve a WTF?

My reads are based on my new method I have developed. I will use it for my Scum games as well, sure. But like I said, it takes time to develop accurate reads with this method, so that means at THIS POINT my reads based on my method are probably not super accurate.

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QUICK WHATS THE OTHER HALF OF THAT POST QUICK WHAT IS THE OTHER HALF OF THAT POST

Stop using all caps, ffs.

My point was never to say I agree with all mastinas reads to the DEGREES that she has who as what, just generally where I would people as Town/Scum. This

should

make sense to you.

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dude what about my case moved jake from your top townslot to your voting slot

like my cases are literally not some magical wizardry

Because like I said, my reads based on my method are highly subject to change at this point. They are not rock solid reads, but generalities based on Town Utility. They don't really develop into accurate reads until late game.

I can keep telling you this if you keep bringing the same accusations against me if you want.

I already think you slipped Town, so that is another reason why I am sheeping you on Jake.

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QUICK WHATS THE OTHER HALF OF THAT POST QUICK WHAT IS THE OTHER HALF OF THAT POST

Stop using all caps, ffs.

My point was never to say I agree with all mastinas reads to the DEGREES that she has who as what, just generally where I would people as Town/Scum. This

should

make sense to you.

ok sure

but can you explain what part of my case made so much sense to you that jake went from a top townread to now as implied with your vote, bottom of your PoE

Because I don't think Jake would be "sloppy with his words" *shrug*

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dude what about my case moved jake from your top townslot to your voting slot

like my cases are literally not some magical wizardry

Because like I said, my reads based on my method are highly subject to change at this point. They are not rock solid reads, but generalities based on Town Utility. They don't really develop into accurate reads until late game.

I can keep telling you this if you keep bringing the same accusations against me if you want.

I already think you slipped Town, so that is another reason why I am sheeping you on Jake.

Does them slipping as town mean I am scum?

Depends what you think of their case on you. I thought it wasn't actually a bad case, personally. Plus, it's a nice breath of fresh air for this game based on the last 10 or so pages.

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meh. jake is giving pretty shit answers and hiding behind the threat of a modkill. i think reasonably jake can give a better hint as to what he's thinking and why certain things transpired the way they did without eating a modkill. and if its hard, sucks to suck welcome to mafia. so until he at least attempts that he should eat rope.

Honestly, I don't think Jake would talk about getting mod killed as a defense to being Scum...

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Creature

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Tchill, do you have scumreads that you aren't pushing? You commented but I wasn't sure if that comment meant they were scumreads or not.

Nero, do you really think scum would chill out pushing an impossible target?

i think hoctac has reason to be scum. specifically the trollish behavior d1 then pushing tmi on me at the opening of d2.

All your reasons for reads are terrible. Seriously.

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lets try another route then

jake does your vote on voted still stand?

I am interested in diving into who voted V.

jake why did you vote voted originally btw? was it because you felt like you saw a contradiction and now you see that you made a poor choice of words? can you give us a whiff of why the contradiction happened? wording? role?

The vote on V was because of boredom with the staleness from my PoV. I could have just let V's comment brush away, but because I wanted to feel somewhat useful, I threw some cards down on the table.

so like you added the comments about "bullshit, mod says no comment" for the shits and giggles? or are they true and why you voted him?

You realize this leads to a claim right? I am not sure I want that at this point.

How about we lynch Creature who isn't even playing rn?

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All your reasons for reads are terrible. Seriously.

just playing on a lvl you cant even fathom. Heres your number (#3)

go join nero and mastina in the observers room. please maintain 6 ft distance so youre idiocracy will not spread please and thank you.

The only thing saving you from me voting you rn is your smugness because I am pretty sure you have totally overblown your own ability to play this game.

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The only thing saving you from me voting you rn is your smugness because I am pretty sure you have totally overblown your own ability to play this game.

yeah im pretty damn good. I have an autographed PM from Tchill. I love that guy. He's my idol.

Link a game where you owned Scum, thanks. Tell me what you reads were at the time you died and who the Scum team was. THEN I

might

consider your not full of yourself.

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THEN I might consider your not full of yourself.

youre the one thats mentioned my meta. Youre probably more familiar with my history than I am.

Im not going out of my way to prove something youll refuse to consider.

Then you saying you are "so good at the game! OMG! WOW! Super Amazing! WOW!" probably just shows you are Scum if you cannot link one game where you dominated a game.

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@Nero, what do you think of Tchill's non-answers to my questions to actually show he's as good as he says he is?

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@Nero, what do you think of Tchill's non-answers to my questions to actually show he's as good as he says he is?

he can't link any good games b/c he doesn't have any

Yeah, he is actually quite verbose for not being able to back up anything. Maybe he's just gotten his rocks off for being right about ETL and that's all it is.

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Honestly, why are we not lynching Creature rn?

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I pm'd the mod and just got this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Anyone else got the same??

I knew what the link was going to be and clicked it anyway

I’ve asked the mod as well and am waiting for the reply.

Same.

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Honestly, why are we not lynching Creature rn?

b/c im vigging him n4

:cheers:

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meh, someone else can take the fight for now

its a team game and if more townies aren't willing to aggressively engage in this and instead to choose to sit idly by then this game is lost anyways

we have some good people in thread right now, but we really need this to be a 20 player game and have more people push the envelope, otherwise the people who actually exist in thread now are just going to move on and stop playing

Also I await for more questions.

ill let others ask you questions so i can see how much effort i should actually put into this game, but also people are waiting for mod responses to continue so ill let the thread breathe for a bit

If I get a BS answer from the mod, both Voted and Jake are probably both just Town FWIW...

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@Hoctac

why was I not sent fruit last night?

Because you being Scum prevents said fruit from coming to you. J/K

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@jake

whats your ari stance?

Whats your mastina stance?

your Mislynch stance?

who should be the 3 top lynches today?

None

None

None

One of the very low-posters. NGL I haven't been paying much attention to the game so I don't have an informed opinion on this.

I sorta feel this is just too lazy to be Scum at this point..

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@Hoctac

why was I not sent fruit last night?

@Hoctac

why was I not sent fruit last night?

Because you being Scum prevents said fruit from coming to you. J/K

Or you’re the scum grubhub driver who steals the food you’re supposed to deliver.

Scum Visitor labeled as scum Grubhub driver would actually be a pretty funny role for this game.

Actually, looking at ETL's role might reveal something about the roles in this game... Hmm..

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I kinda low key don't want Jake to get lynched today because he seems like lynch bait that can actually solve games given enough time...

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lol, can agree with the lynchbait part but idk about solve though

Someone's got to test it out, I guess.

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My thing is, does scum Jake and/or his team go "hey u know what is a good idea? let's contradict Voted!" that seems like a p good way to get him lynched and I kinda feel like scum wouldn't do that.

ofc the flipside of the argument is that the scumteam goes "oh hey Jake is on our team, let's play up his viness!"

So maybe it's just all WIFOM?

Alternatively, I am exactly the infected and thus would want to be lynched as an expendable.

I think FL has the best shot at being infected FWIW.

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Mod said infected know they are infected...

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I will just not be on the Jake wagon so Cop can investigate me.

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Up to my last post, this is current...

dave, Jake, Tchill
Gobble, Oka, Auro, Alchemist
TSE, mastina, Ari, Voted, Nero
Hactoc, FL
Nhadia
A50
Saudade, Creature
5G

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Up to my last post, this is current...

dave, Jake, Tchill
Gobble, Oka, Auro, Alchemist
TSE, mastina, Ari, Voted, Nero
Hactoc, FL
Nhadia
A50
Saudade, Creature
5G

What exactly is this?

Roughly, a reads list.

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Up to my last post, this is current...

dave, Jake, Tchill
Gobble, Oka, Auro, Alchemist
TSE, mastina, Ari, Voted, Nero
Hactoc, FL
Nhadia
A50
Saudade, Creature
5G

What exactly is this?

Roughly, a reads list.

Like, is 5G your locktown?

Turn that frown upside down.