A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

[Gentleman 4]

Yeah, my internet is pretty bad too. Don't really have any gutreads yet rip
pedit: huh

[Gentleman 4]

I think a MM pairing would be unlikely for the scum because it's twice the risk.

[Gentleman 4]

You should stop spamming the thread. I don't see how Lady 7 is trying to get towncred. It is risky for maf to pair with IC, but it doesn't seem like she is trying to do that.

[Gentleman 4]

why is Lady 1 just calling random people wolfs...

[Gentleman 4]

I feel like I should be able to have some read on Lady 5!Anime-girl-with-blue0cat-ears by now but it is eluding me

well I don't think you should be trying to force yourself into instantly reading everyone.

[Gentleman 4]

True but I'm not touching them in first dance for sure.

Why not?

I do think Gentleman 9 could be town, and I'm not really understanding why him saying WIFOM is scummy.

[Gentleman 4]

It seems like Lady 1 does not understand jokes. Post 63 was a meme.

[Gentleman 4]

I sorta agree with L3 here. There seems to be a lot of sheeping this game where one person calls someone town and then lots of people quickly follow. This has happened with L7 and then L3.

[Gentleman 4]

True but I'm not touching them in first dance for sure.

Why not?

I do think Gentleman 9 could be town, and I'm not really understanding why him saying WIFOM is scummy.

I don't see why him dodging the entire game calling it "WIFOM" and engaging in it as "pro scum".
When you can analyze people's alignments at the time of his post.

I am not sure what you can possibly like within what he is doing. It's not like he engaged on read and said setup spec is pro town, which I'd view as a perfectly acceptable approach.
It's him using WIFOM to write off the entire game is what I am actively against.

To be fair, he probably just logged in and saw the recent setup spec which prompted the WIFOM comment. I didn't get the impression that it was his only comment on the game so far, and I do feel like you should give him room to say his thoughts.

[Gentleman 4]

? What are you agreeing with?

You asked why you were obv town and I thought that was a good question.

[Gentleman 4]

like right now I wish soccer player and misty had fallen in love

I should start a matchmaking service

I can dance with you!

[Gentleman 4]

Apparently it was a joke but if everyone sheeped and called 1 person town I figured wolves was either TMIing or they were really town since it's unlikely wolves to just be auto towncred

I think if a wolf got townread early because of a strong entrance, the other wolves would also probably join in on the consensus of townreading their wolf buddy.

[Gentleman 4]

buy me flowers?

sure!

[Gentleman 4]

for real though I have some people saying that optimal play is town should be paired with town and some people saying optimal play is scum should be paired with town and thats getting me confused.

I think it's better for town to be paired with town. Mafia only have one kill after all.
Pairing with someone just for the purpose of leaving the dance because you think they are scum doesn't seem smart to me.

[Gentleman 4]

So did you have a read on me before ISOing me, or was the ISO done in an attempt to form the read?

the second option

What about her prompted you to ISO her? Did 89 come before or after you decided to ISO her?

[Gentleman 4]

Oh no how can I pretend to have the best reads if everyone pushes back against me. This is horrible

This could also mean your reads are right.

She is the lady directly below me. My biggest competition. It was after the iso

Ok. There are eight ladies, so you will get a dance 99.99% of the time.

G1 feels fine to me so far on a quick iso skim.

[Gentleman 4]

I do agree with G9 that it is fine to pair two strong players together. It's only a problem if they are w/w, but that doesn't happen in most cases.

[Gentleman 4]

It is blatantly LAMIST. Doesn't make it scummy.

Yeah, I was thinking this too.

I am pretty serious in general, and I don't think that correlates into being a strong player.

[Gentleman 4]

Bye OG G6.
The idea of nicknames isn’t very appealing to me. I do have some trouble with the generic lady/gent names, but I think I’m associating posts to avatar instead of username which helps.

Why? I think scum are more likely to lolpropose and accept, given they just don't want to die.

Also... I've made up my mind.

Lady 7, may I have this dance?

This sequence is townie to me.
With regard to the pair, it’s fine for me. Also, I do not think L7 will instantly accept this given her reaction to the L3/G9 pair.

[Gentleman 4]

Okay, but also I think scum would be more likely to try look like they were forming reads and had a “reason” for their invitation?

This is WIFOM.

[Gentleman 4]

Yeah. It’s mostly a matter of play style. Some people will go with their gut on asking a lady while others might take things more slowly. My point is that reading into how someone proposes to you shouldn’t really be considered ai in most cases.

[Gentleman 4]

anyhow, i dont particularly like that sans.g1 is throwing indirect shade at me despite the pairing has already made.

I don’t think he was throwing shade in 280 if that’s what you’re talking about. Seems to be more genuine discussion question than shade even if he was probably referencing you.
Plus, I don’t think L3 is really buying it in the case that it was supposed to be shade.

[Gentleman 4]

@g9 That is a fair take. I can see what you mean about G1(Sans) setting you up.
The thing is: it feels pretty consistent with how he thinks. It seems like he has different views on most things than what most of us do. For example, if you look at 16, it's a bit of a weird question: he's asking how scum would pocket an IC. Most of us would think that the answer is pretty obvious like L5 in 18. This gave me the initial impression of him thinking differently.
Now back to present, I feel like his take about scum lolproposing in 280 is pretty unconventional and most people would think that scum would be more cautious in proposing who they dance with. Based on my theory, I think he was asking the question in good faith and genuinely wanted to know the answer instead of trying to set you up. Maybe he is thinking you are scummy, but I don't think he is going about that read in a scummy way.

[Gentleman 4]

promise you won’t laugh..?

I don't like where this is going...

[Gentleman 4]

I don't think we should consider G6's final post as alignment indicative. Angleshooting tends to backfire in general.

the wide range of things to analyze is bad it gives scum direction to play

You're right, based on this information they may decide to try to pair up and then kill the ic at night

I can see why mafia wouldn't pair with the IC, but why do you think they would pair up as opposed to pairing with town?

I don't have a read on G5 yet, and it's interesting that he's decided to shoot his shot so quickly. Are you fully caught up now?

[Gentleman 4]

Is it only because he asked Lady 7?

Yes, instead of asking/accepting someone who was already willing, he asked someone who he's trying to read.

Both Lady 7 and Lady 8 wanted to dance with G1 iirc.

[Gentleman 4]

As scum wouldn't you want to pick your partner on future prospects not how townie they are now?
So to some degree I think scum would like to pair with someone like me, Lady 8, Lady 1.cry.

Emotionally invested players that are likely to put up a fight for the entire duration of the game.
So a more medium invested mid poster who is being widely town read could end up being a worse pairing long term.


I just think L8.Ghost is a clear partner scum would want to pair up with.

wdym by future prospects? You, L8, and L1 are all townread to some extent, so I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
Also, L8 seems to be somewhat emotional based because she seems pretty nervous about who she's dancing with, so I don't think she fits into the "medium invested mid poster" category you are describing.

[Gentleman 4]

Or am I mistaken? I don't remember other people talking about Lady 8, but Gent 4 just said that she was being townread

I think the general thread consensus is that she is town. I am inclined to believe this based on how she seems to be feeling about dancing with someone.

[Gentleman 4]

I already have my 3 pairings I want in end game can I get a gg

I’m intrigued. Let’s discuss.

[Gentleman 4]

I already have my 3 pairings I want in end game can I get a gg

I’m intrigued. Let’s discuss.

You/me
Lady 8/IC
Lady 4/Gent 5.

Thoughts?

Well the IC doesn’t make it to end game. I still sorta want to be with L6, but that could change. I still have no read on L4, so what makes you think she’s town so far? I do think G5 has been townie since he started posting. Why did you leave out the L7/G1 pair?
Also, not sure if I townread you atm.

[Gentleman 4]

IM CAUGHT UP
the party can now begin

Well that was quick.

[Gentleman 4]

You'll townread me when you see me in the pt.

Why the pt compared to the game thread?

[Gentleman 4]

a better idea is for me to get a town read on someone that others aren't heavily town reading and pair with them

This isn't a bad idea. It probably is a bad idea to pair you with a scummy slot, so I'm fine with this.

G5 can you describe why these posts read tonally scummy to you? I'm not getting that part of your progression because I don't think I changed the way I was posting and my opinions stayed mostly the same.

I wasn't getting the scummy vibes either.

also I lowkey selfishly want gent 4 because I think he's a very challenging sort and that sounds fun

To be honest, I wouldn't think of myself as a challenging sort. Although many people would probably disagree. Still leaning towards pairing with you though!

You can take gent 4 if you want. But remember my warning

What warning?

[Gentleman 4]

This is what I am imagining right now as the pairs I like.

How do you feel about G9/L3 atm?

[Gentleman 4]

L3.Misty is basically conf town.

Why are you not paranoid of L3 and L8 like you seem to be with everyone else?

[Gentleman 4]

I want someone to have paranoia about me

Bold to assume you're townread.

[Gentleman 4]

@Lady 4 At this point, I am reading G1(Sans), G9, L2(Rosalina), L6(Seal), and L7(blue) as town. Everyone else I am still evaluating.

[Gentleman 4]

Idk about ghosty because I now think that it is easy to fake paranoia about dance partners as scum, and a big reason why I was townreading here was because of how she was concerned about the dance.
With you, I will look at your iso at some point. You're probably town, but it's not as confident as the 5 I listed.

[Gentleman 4]

I think Earth lady is town

I’m more in the middle. It’s easy to complain about things.

Pardon, majesty. It's just my advice to evict Gentleman 4.

Ok, but why?

[Gentleman 4]

Can both of you talk about Rosalina 2 because that's my strongest SR rn

I liked her progression on L1.

[Gentleman 4]

I ask Lady 6 to the dance.

Definitely the cutest, most honorable and townie looking lady.

[Gentleman 4]

I liked G4 and was hoping he would talk to me

Is there anything with me that you want to talk about? I'm all ears. I do remember somewhat liking your earlier posts, but your most recent posts have been neutral to me. Sorry that you feel left out though. I think it's more of a matter of people being online at the same time compared to trying to exclude someone from the conversation.

This might be personal bias, but I don't think Lady 6(Seal) should accept Gentleman 7's offer at this point.

I feel like the incentive should be to partner with someone who is read similarly to you. As in, if you're town but scummy enough to not make it to endgame, you would want to pair up with scum in order to redirect people's scumreads on you somewhere useful.

This is a fair point, but I'm more in the camp that town should always try to pair with who they think is town compared to who they think is scum. It makes sense that the scummier people will end up having less priority in choosing their partners, but I just don't like the idea of intentionally pairing up with a scumread to end up suiciding your slot. Seems too risky.

So maybe it's less that your partner has to be read similarly to you, and more that your partner has to have an alignment that matches how you are read.

Aren't these the same?

I guess I just have less faith in someone's ability to play relative to the group when they have their own fears in regards to someone.

This is also a good point.

Just my general impressions. I'm excited to get to voting.

This isn't answering Lady 6's question of why she should dance with you.

This post really bothered me for some reason so I went and ISOed 2 and I think I figured out why. 2 has a lot of fluffy posts and semi sort of game advancing looking posts but they all feel really surface level and scum motivated.

@Lady 4. I looked through your ISO and this is what I found about why you scumread Lady 2. I think this has been asked before, but which quotes from Lady 2 seem to be pushing a scum agenda to you? I can agree with the fluff/semi-game advancing posts, but I'm willing to look past that on my read of her for now(as many have done such a thing to some extent).

Quantity is not synonym to alignment. Quality is what matters.

It would be generous to say that your posts have quality. Why do you scumread me?

[Gentleman 4]

Hehe. Why haven't you proposed yet? Agree though

Idk. I am thinking between L6 and L2 though, and I'm not really sure who I prefer at this point.

Gentleman 7, you should ask someone else to dance, I don't plan on accepting your invitation

Yes!

[Gentleman 4]

I think it's productive to discuss which of the gentlemen we want to leave behind at this point. I liked Sherlock 3s entrance and I've been town reading teenisg4. Gorilla boy g7 is my least town gentleman read at the moment.

Either G2 or G7 for me.

G3(Sherlock) has given a nice first impression so I'm less inclined to want his slot out. TBH, I don't understand why he scumreads L8 so much and it's more like an argument that she isn't town.

[Gentleman 4]

A pair I'd feel very comfortable about is G6.Seal and G3.Sherlock.

Ok then. I am fine with this, but a little sad....

[Gentleman 4]

Why Lady 1 and Gent 6?

G6 says L1 is a type of player that he can read well.

pedit: Not really.

[Gentleman 4]

I would prefer Gent 7 left out over Gent 2 btw

I've been thinking about it and I think Gent 2 going after Tennis (G4) rather than searching for a partner on popping in is slightly more likely to be town than scum

I could agree with this.

I personally don't think it is townie to randomly call someone scum with no reasoning.

[Gentleman 4]

It's more that he chose to do that over anything else when he popped in

Ok, that's fair.
I will be seeing how he approaches getting a partner to better read him.

[Gentleman 4]

It's more the others are worse than you are better.

I suspect your negative read on me may be because I am not willing to trust you. Is this right or is there more to it?

pedit:

[Gentleman 4]

I'm not egotistical enough to base a read because of how you view me. In fact, I can really care less how you or anyone else views me in the game. So there's more to it than that.

Ok, so what have I been doing that you don't like?

[Gentleman 4]

Gentleman 3, I must ask that you take a step back and reconsider your choices in life, sir.

nou

[Gentleman 4]

If I take away the whole 'you're a serious' looking player part your iso feels pretty bland to me. I don't see anything that screams townie to me.

Do you think being serious is townie then? As for the last sentence, I'm not sure if I will ever do something that "screams" townie.

[Gentleman 4]

All I have to say is that lady Earth and Gent 6 are town and thus can be the endgaming pair

This is by far the spiciest take since my hot wings I had for lunch.

Not really...
Something spicy imo would be pairing two players who are having a loud argument or just two consensus scumreads. This fits neither category.

@Lady 1. Yes, I misunderstood what you were saying. I'm just saying that I don't tend to be a particularly loud/brash player so none of my posts may be super town/scum. I would say you should look at my whole "body of work" to read me instead of just looking for towntells. You do you though.

[Gentleman 4]

So gent 4 and gent 5 are the scum

yak yak yak yak yak

[Gentleman 4]

oh it must suck having your dance partner replaced. I think I will be asking Lady 2 later pending no major pushback.

[Gentleman 4]

What do you think about my preferred method of using my invite?

What do you mean by this again?

[Gentleman 4]

ok then...

Lady 2, may I have this dance?

[Gentleman 4]

Someone should ask them to dance then because I don't think anyone is.
It would be a shame if a town read got paired up with garbage.

I think G6 is fine with L1.
It's L4 who has to choose between G2/G7.

[Gentleman 4]

FML

[Gentleman 4]

Hi all. Do I have a dance partner yet? Might be nice to know while I read up.

Welcome!
You partner is Gentleman 9.

[Gentleman 4]

Do you not have access to a private thread with him?

They are given after the pre dance phase ends and not right after the pairings are confirmed.

G9/L3 I think is a good candidate to go first in the dance
I feel they are overlooked because they paired so early but that was really garbage

Is the early pairing the basis of your unease on the slots? I feel like gentleman 9 has been pretty townie thus far.

[Gentleman 4]

Wait you get the PT for the entire game now?

Well it’s not just for the single night phase, but you still have to wait until pre dance ends.

[Gentleman 4]

Ok, then I’m inclined to like G2 a little more.

[Gentleman 4]

G4 what was it that you liked about L2?

I liked her initial interaction with Lady 1. I think L1 outed an early scumread on her, and L2 seemed to be genuinely trying to determine the motivations behind him. I think this because L2 put L1 as an early townread, so it makes sense that she was able to sort her after the interaction.
Also, I don’t really think that she has been overly defensive either.

[Gentleman 4]

Ok, then I’m inclined to like G2 a little more.

What was this in reference to?

Post 1050 by G3. I do think Gentleman 2's posts have been quite awkward so far, but it doesn't seem to be super agenda pushy.
I'm pretty sure Gentleman 7 is aware of what he's doing because he has posts where he's blatantly just trolling around(at least I think), so the logic doesn't apply.

heh

i honestly don't understand why anyone thinks lady 6 is town. tbh she's the most likely to be scum among the ladies, from what ive read

if i had to choose someone currently unpaired to leave out, it'd probably be gentleman 4. need to think about this a bit

oh boy...
Well I'll be here for a little bit more, so ask me any questions you may have about me.

[Gentleman 4]

What do you think of G2 missing that I'm a replacement entirely?

Idk. I thought he was referring back to scarf man. I do think it's quite generous to read someone based on the fact that they seemed to be struggling with names. Both town and scum can and would make that type of post(regarding names).

[Gentleman 4]

@Lady 5
so what do you think about L2 now?

[Gentleman 4]

He has 67 posts and I nullread 67 of them

I feel like this is an exaggeration, but I have already explained that I don’t think any singular posting will ever be super townie or super scummy coming from me.
Also, if you’re null reading all of my posts, why does this equate to a scum read? Do the posts of a lot of other players read as townie to you?

[Gentleman 4]

Your play makes sense but it's a way I'd expect scum to play

i.e. safe and slow and getting townread

I think this is unfair because not every town player is going to fit into the opposite category of what you described.

[Gentleman 4]

Ive come up with what might be an angle shooting scum motivation for L5worldwide town as your dance partner. I see her right now as sort of the wild card to scum, and pairing you with her could hedge the risk, in that if she is scummy, you will walk out of your own party, while if she is supertown, they can get a two for one nk.

Couldn’t you apply the same argument to the other unpaired ladies though?

[Gentleman 4]

hypothetically, which gentleman would you like to dance with? Also, are you scumreading me because of the "null" post thing too?

[Gentleman 4]

I feel obligated to point out that Lady 8 has hedged on a lot of her catchup thoughts.
@G8 I can see what you're saying, but it was more of me equally preferring L6/L2 and not knowing which one I wanted. Since G3 is with L6, that made my choice a lot easier.

[Gentleman 4]

It just seemed like a nice transition. You were giving me the opportunity/permission so I took it.

[Gentleman 4]

Why are we planning on hiding true reads until intermission? Something called first dance exists.

[Gentleman 4]

I'll be here later I'm really busy today

Gentleman 7 has proposed to you.

[Gentleman 4]

Wow, by looking at the activity overview, the past 8 posters have all been ladies.

I probably started scumreading G4.tennis back when he opposed the townreads on lilith's early play and maybe everything after that has been confbias

Is this serious (the stuff about confbias)? Also, I don't think I really opposed the L3 townreads at any point.

not because they thought they were town but because they thought he would be a fun sort. I find emotional like that to be incredibly difficult to fake.

I'm pretty sure she was townreading me at that point in the game, and I don't think the thing about wanting a fun sort is hard to fake...
Agree with you that the interaction with L1 regarding you is townie for her.

The Lilith pair up was reckless, hurtful to herself long term in exchange for short term town. It was overall just an awful play to make as scum even if the short term town cred favored her.

Why do you ask this question in particular, I don't see why you would question the alignment of L3?

Good post.

Now that I am paired though, I agree that’s maybe not a good idea

Not really understanding what isn't a good idea and why it isn't a good idea.

You are paradoxically more likely to flip a player as scum if you feel very null about everything they do versus if you get both townpings and scumpings from them, even if the scumpings is slightly more.

I think this is a valid statement to make, but it's just weird for me that every one of my posts is truly null for you.

I really liked coming away from the first 88 pages with this

I don't think 89 is particularly townie or scummy. Any alignment can and will make snap reads like this.
Was it going to be bad long term because of G9 or because just accepting early looks bad in hindsight?

I haven't accepted G4 yet, but I feel like I've waited long enough for anyone who wanted to voice an objection.

Gentleman 4, I graciously accept your offer to dance.

Yes!

Between G2 and G7, I am agreeing with the points that G7 could potentially stop doing what he is doing right now, but I also think it's possible for G2 to be able to stop too. We should let them both say stuff before deciding between them.

Maybe I will like g4tennis as much as I like you one day

I hope.

because on a town Gent 2 flip I would probably suspect Gent 4 a lot more.

Why me?

This sucks no matter what because whoever survives between the two will probably die pretty early and that means I go with them

I mean a lot of people are viewing them both as town, so I don't really think this is warranted.

[Gentleman 4]

I give a lot of people benefit of the doubt like a lot cause I am not confident at finding scum, espec day one

Is that what you're referring to?

Yes, I wasn't willing to call it scummy because it seemed to be consistent with your early nervousness.

[Gentleman 4]

I'm willing to reconsider you g4tennis especially because you have a good date

Cool.
Just make sure not to conf bias me as town this time .

[Gentleman 4]

Pre-dance sure is going by fast huh.

[Gentleman 4]

G7, why do you think letting G2 pair with L4 instead of you is better than letting yourself pair with L4?

[Gentleman 4]

I don't trust L4 to keep us alive long enough for me to have an impact on the outcome even if she's town.

L4, how do you feel about this?

[Gentleman 4]

Just choose. I will respect your decision either way.

Don’t rush things. Gentleman 2 hasn’t even spoken yet.

[Gentleman 4]

is this ate

I don't think so because it seems to be legit what he is thinking.
Idk though...

[Gentleman 4]

G7's current thoughts don't feel consistent with his earlier play.
If the game was as simple as a single town town pair he wouldn't deem predance worthless as that would be the only phase that actually matters.

I want him dead.

I’m not really sure what’s inconsistent? Maybe he really does believe that he can’t form reads from pre dance and is looking to form them in the first dance.
I don’t like the attitude either, but it doesn’t seem like the angle scum would be taking. What scum would want to do now is to secure the pair with Lady 4, and what he’s doing now doesn’t seem to be taking him any closer. And he knows that(I think).

[Gentleman 4]

Yeah and what's a good way to secure the pair? AtE and defeatism

Well it clearly isn't working...
Would be nice to hear something from Gentleman 2.

[Gentleman 4]

: |

if for whatever reason i am wrong about my read on you, posts like this aren't doing anything to correct my read

That’s unfortunate. I wouldn’t be reading that as scummy though.

I believe I am the hardest slot to read due to my alluring posting and complex motives.

Maybe, and you should also stop posting those open wolfy posts.

[Gentleman 4]

there once was a gentleman named 4
whose posts i do abhor
i see not a single good stance
but he still gets to dance?
i currently wish to make him no more

I once knew a prince named 8
To whom I hold no hate
But the feeling is one way
And I long for the day
Where he calls me his mate

[Gentleman 4]

Will that mean we're the first pair leaving after pre-dance?

Not necessarily.
Why haven't you invited Lady 4 yet?

[Gentleman 4]

Could be scum: G1, G2, G3, G6, L1, L5, L8
Will be focusing mostly in this pool.
Inb4 all three scum are being townread by me...

@G8 I was trying to look at someone's ISO. Forgot who

[Gentleman 4]

By this metric, I would like me/L2 and G9/L3 to endgame as of now. Maybe even the L4 pair because I don't really think her or G7 are scum.

[Gentleman 4]

Why?

Who?

@G6 not really. I can't really read L1 right now and you to lesser extent.
pedit: @G8 I just don't think his type of posting will ever be readable. I can't townread what he is doing right now.

[Gentleman 4]

I was trying to ask who you disagreed with.
G1: Pretty sure my read of him playing the game differently is wrong because he was doing it as a gimmick.
G2: Don't townread his mostly one liner posting calling people town/scum.
G3: Heavy analysis based, but there's nothing scum couldn't fake in his iso.
G6: Once again, nothing a experienced scum player can't fake but with less overall gamesolving than G3

L1: Can't read her right now.
L5: Not sure why I should townread her.
L8: Some of the posts feel a little fake to me. I dunno about her being obv town.

Maybe lots of criteria that I'm using here fits for my townreads, but my townreads also have the benefit of my gut. If these are just blatantly bad, I'll reconsider though.

[Gentleman 4]

wow my pairing really being snubbed. I hope the plan isn't just to mutually decide on endgame pairs and just vote everyone else out.

[Gentleman 4]

oh yeah... I forgot that L5 was specifically paired with the IC. As long as the progression towards her pairing with him seems natural/good, then she can be town.

[Gentleman 4]

It looks like Pre-Dance is over.

OK. Your reads on the ladies are pretty bland/it's more like you don't have a good read there rather than a scumread.

That was sorta the point. Why am I supposed to call someone town if I can't read them yet?

I like how I am right in between town and ??? in L7's triangular readlist.

I mean, I've done explicitly this for games I think i'd be interested in replacing into.

Being ready-to-replace for games one misses in signups isn't that crazy of a thing to do, especially a game where the mechanics ensure that there's going to be an annoyingly high amount of replacements.

Yeah, but the point is that G3 shouldn't be townread for his content right off the bat. I feel like his entrance attacking L8 is interesting in the case of either one flipping scum.

I have held the belief the entrance comes from scum since the start of the game.
They have done nothing to make me reconsider this throughout the entire course of this game.

The WIFOM thing or him immediately asking L3 to dance?

I'd rather just find three town-town pairs and mass-hemlock the rest.

Easy in theory... hard in practice.

now that we know who gentleman 1 was at that point in time, I feel it's a legit townslip

You realize that Mafia Goon is an alt? He was probably faking newb town vibes which is sorta scummy especially in a hidden alt game.

This playerlist is fun I'm kidnapping all of you after the game

Indeed.

When I'm looking at people I suspect to be mafia, I see them as thinking both me and Ghosty 8 are town

Isn't this the opposite of what mafia want in the case of G5/L8 being truly T/T? Is this a veiled scumread on Lady 8?

With that in mind, if you agree that the idea that I wrote posts before replacing in is absurd, wouldn't you agree that the concern that I had reads before I replaced in is superseded by the things I've written surrounding those reads afterwards? And of course, that's not to mention the more real-time interactions I've had with people.

This sounds like something that generally town says instead of mafia, but I don't really remember G3's non-entry posts enough to confidently say I'm liking him. Also, regarding 1689 first paragraph, you aren't being scumread, but it's more like your entrance can easily come from either alignment and it doesn't warrant a townread.

and It makes me feel even more confident in the way people are reading gent 3.

What does this mean?

Even if one granted I was scum and that my reads were set before I replaced in, the things that I wrote about them were not set before I replaced in, and it is the things written about reads that are relevant to one's alignment far more than the reads themselves.

Pretty sure we're talking about your posts as a whole and not just your reads...

I think there are some reasons to town read G3 completely detached from the opinions he had coming into the game

Are you talking about his more recent posts, or the previous G3? I'm not sure I would feel the same about the first option. I feel like I remember someone townreading the previous G3, and I would like to know why.

Why does G3 keep on thinking that he's being scumread for his entrance? I thought it was pretty clear that it was just not enough to get him townread(which people were doing in the beginning).

i'm just saying that your initial posts don't tell me anything about you for reasons that should be pretty obvious by now?

Yes.

pretending to be a newb and needing to stay consistent with that just sounds like an insufferable way to play so I never questioned it.

It would lowkey be pretty fun, and once again, Sans wasn't a newb(just an alt).

I like this guy.

Hmm.

I don't like the idea of L7 deciding to let other people sort slots for her. She probably needs that bit of relief/respite for how she's been playing so far though, so I'll let it be for now.

Your posts are pleasant enough to read on their own but the way you state your reads is incredibly hedgey and non-comital

This is how I was feeling as well. I feel a little weird about how jovial L6 is treating a slot she scumreads and you can't really townread good faith. Probably a playstyle thing.

More like a feeling of difficulty in trying to scumhunt? I'm blanking on the word here I know there is one

I sorta see what you're trying to get at here. It's like when scum pretend that they are having trouble with the game and it gets to borderline Ate. That's sorta how I felt about L5 in the beginning, but she's probably town for being with IC(still need to read into this).

[Gentleman 4]

What was the activity pace we were talking about?

What do you mean by this? The activity is pretty high in this game.

I’m definitely not reading all of this. Summary please?

Lady 5's stuff seems good enough for me. Your slot is neutral and your partner is town.

I am going to die.

lol why

Can I ask why you perceive this as being particularly townie, L8? And why is it significant that I went after the hand of my darling prince on my own initiative?

I feel like scum would be more cautious about pairing with the IC because they might feel self conscious about staying alive too much. In the last dance, scum was paired with the IC, so it isn't that great reasoning.

[Gentleman 4]

looks like my reads are bad, but let's go.
Don't get too confident.

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 6 obviously for the immediate and continued request to dance, and G2 and L4 for these comments respectively:

I'm not sure whether you're suspecting them or clearing them.

[Gentleman 4]

Wait why is Lady 4 suspicious? It seems really dumb to bus in this setup and I feel like her progression to pick G2 was fine.
pedit: I don't think that post was to set anyone up, but just to try to make him look good.

[Gentleman 4]

Hm.
You're not explaining what is scummy about Lady 4 though. You are just explaining why kicking her partner might be better.

[Gentleman 4]

I think I was unpaired too. Anyways, it's more about the reasoning for people choosing 7 over 2, and you might want to look for late bus. I'm pretty sure by the end, everybody was fine towards g2 living.

[Gentleman 4]

I'm TWTBAWing Lady 1 though.

You probably shouldn't. I have no doubt that a scum Lady 1 open wolfs and calls herself wolf.

[Gentleman 4]

this prince reads very kind and doesn't feel like would leave his own ball

???? I don't think this is true.

[Gentleman 4]

So why is my pair being voted? I'm pretty sure you can look at me telling you guys to let G2 talk as a positive for not being scum with G7.

[Gentleman 4]

I'm still townread Gentleman 9. The issue about his progression isn't really an issue to me because as he mentioned, there were 400 posts in between when he said such a thing and there were legit reasons to prefer G7 over G2 at that point. His attitude towards L7 seems pretty confident, and I'm not scumreading it.

Scum reads him when he isn't trying.
Soft defends him when he is.

Isn't that exactly how wolves like to approach their buddies?

This reads a little conf biased to me. I was also scumreading G7 initially, but I did think he had the potential to flip his slot around. I think it's natural as town to scumread low-effort/trolling, but townread effort/signs of potential effort.

You understand me.

I don't see how it reads as forced.

So obviously they were prepared for his death and probably tried to make themselves look regardless if he got a partner or not.

Yep, G7 was probably not the deepwolf, and I agree that scum were probably more likely to bus him than defend him. On the other hand, I don't remember who exactly started the push in the direction of leaving him out, and that person is probably town.

I strongly think the best way to play dance1 is to vote out pairs where both halves of the pairing seem more likely than null to flip scum. I think this is much more effective than voting pairs where one player seems very, very scummy, and the other partner is nullish or townish.

Outside of this game, I would probably agree with what you're saying, but I also think my pairing fits this metric and I believe we're both town.

This exact progression was why I said earlier that Gentleman 9 seemed to not be partnered with Gentleman 7: his progression there seems fairly natural to me.

I'm going to assume you're talking about how you would expect an overall read on G7 to be established instead of you talking about how G9's posts about G7 had a good progression.

Anyways, townreading G3 slightly now. I might have been a little unfair and I think he has made a lot of valid points.

So I didn’t get much from that but I’d guess if you’re reading G9 as scum you’re reading L3 as town based on his treatment of her?

It's more like there's no way that they are both scum together barring truly insane play.

With L1, L2, and L5 being the ones I’d want to look into most, followed by L4 and L6.

I don't see why what G7 says affects the alignments of the ladies you mentioned.

making open wolf posts because that makes people mad for some reason

too true

[Gentleman 4]

When 2-4 pairs up, it goes under 6-1. Although judging from everyone's nonchalance of which of 2 or 7 is paired with L4, I suspect both of them will be green

Nitpicking.

[Gentleman 4]

@L3 TBH, there aren't really a lot of null people but people who are townread by some and scumread by others. i think I'm probably the true null.
About L2. Her interactions with G7 don't really seem w/w to me. She initially pushes G7 for more explanation on some of the questionable things he said, and then decided that he's not worth sorting and probably scum. This seems fine to me.
There's nothing with interactions with G7 that can really clear her tbh, but nothing that makes me go "hmm".

[Gentleman 4]

Why do both the prince and I evolve from slowpoke?

[Gentleman 4]

very right

[Gentleman 4]

I didn't express it clearly enough tho

I feel lucky

[Gentleman 4]

So why is my pair being voted? I'm pretty sure you can look at me telling you guys to let G2 talk as a positive for not being scum with G7.

I missed this post, found it while ISOing G4
This sucks

Like bussing scum trying to reap the towncred from their bus

I can see how you think of it like that. I was just pointing out something I did that makes it unlikely for me to be scum with G7. Tbh, I don’t think I would ever post something like that as scum because it is just obviously scummy. If I was scum, I’d at least wait a little longer to see if more votes piled on or if our wagon died to say such a thing.
Will check up on everything else later. 2122 is a good post!

[Gentleman 4]

VOTE: Lady 2/Gentleman 4

You shouldn't vote me just because you seem to have trouble reading me. Your progression on me has been relatively static from somewhat townie to just null, and I'm not sure it's a good idea to keep it that way.
Catching up for real now.

[Gentleman 4]

what do you believe are some good reasons for town reading you?

Idk. I don't think I would have played this way as scum though. I probably try to pocket people more to try to secure endgame position. I also think I would have pushed to be your partner more aggressively because you were/are townread more than L2(idk if that's the case now). You can also look at my interactions with G7. I feel like I was more in the middle with him because I was thinking his behavior was somewhat townie, but I also was trying to not rush the pairing between G7/L4. As wolf, I probably either hard bus or hard push him to be paired(and then use the logic that wolf wouldn't defend that hard).

[Gentleman 4]

Hm that is true that I was interested in L2 early on too. I think this was the same reason for you that I was getting gut town vibes. I would say I was preferring both of you equally until you went with G3.
Why did you ask that question? Do you think there's a reason scum me chooses L2 over you?

[Gentleman 4]

I think this is suspicious, because Lady 2 does not want to end up with Gent 7 (because they will both end up dead, very likely), yet still potentially wants Gent 7 to pair with somebody else, so she needs to pair up at that moment, while trying not to look too hasty by "giving people time to object".

I don't really see where you got the idea that she was angling for a G7 save. I don't even get why you think L2 is scummy based on interactions with G7. They seemed clean to me.

I'm agreeing that the action of L4 leaving behind G7 is NAI, but I do believe the approach in which she did it could be significant. However, I looked back at her iso and thoughts about G7 and it doesn't point be in either direction.

I like her rationale towards trusting Gent 4, as town that's something that would probably be at the top of her mind.

As scum, you are looking to set up you and your partner for endgame and I would expect you to be vocal about townreading your parnter(or setting yourself up with a townie partner), so this is NAI to me.

Null, I'm going to need to see more

I can see the null town side because G1 seems to have a curious mindset of trying to understand the game. Agree that we need to see more though.

VOTE: G4-L2

He'd be really stupid to do something like that and I just scumread other people more than him.

Stupid to do what? Push you? If you're town, your pairing is probably a juicy target for wolves(assuming G6 town), so this isn't true. He wasn't even tunneling you either...

G2.Chad never chooses to not defend himself, because framing someone serves no function.
So by giving up when he flipped scum it basically confirms G7 as mafia.

I don't get this.

I still see G2 as a null slot, and it will continue as long as he plays like this. Maybe the play is because of his fear of mainslipping, but I still don't really like it. I do like L6's read on G2 because it seems to be the narrative read that I sometimes like to use. I'm not sure the effectiveness of it though. I think my read on G3 is that I want him to be scum, but he's probably town. This makes me like the G3/L6 pairing, but we have to proceed with caution. I'm feeling L4 town right now too.
I'm willing to reconsider my townread on G9, and will be taking a look at his posts soonish.

and his arguments aren't actually all that towny outside of just being aggressive

This might be a good point.

I think the two slots I want to see flip the most right now are Gentleman 4 and Gentleman 9

Is it just because you are having trouble reading me?

Both Lady 1 and Gent 6 have expressed that they are probably not making it to the end of the dance

This isn't townie though.

I mean for all your saying you are excited to sort ghosty 8, isn't 1 day of PT access that you reached the conclusion she is town premature?

Why is this not just excited town conf biasing their partner as town? I don't see this as scummy yet.

I feel the same way about plans like this, by simply disregarding scum reads and going after pairs we think "just aren't going to end game" and being complacent with the flips.

Yes, I agree. Especially about the accountability part because I feel like having a scumread flip town makes you more inclined to reconsider rather than having nullreads flip town.

The incredibly casual disregard of the offer makes me think she is likely to be town and was being brought into something.

Good point for L6 town.

wanting a partner that you can work well with is much more important for scum players than town players, that's why I thought you insistence on it is scum indicative

Then what's important for town players??

[Gentleman 4]

I think I might know who G4 is and they might just be really awkward town

Probably townie for you to bring this up now instead of just before me/L2 get potentially asked to leave.
Will neither confirm or deny validity of your statement.

[Gentleman 4]

Well, it is just a pretty lazy way to play the game and I think it's like you are making an excuse for yourself. On the other hand, you probably don't want to hardtunnel someone just out of paranoia. That isn't good either.

@L6 I remember the paranoia thing, but I'm not sure how serious that was. I do not remember people saying you shouldn't endgame D1.
Not really. Had L2 as town and still do. I will reconsider if people start to scumread her, but it's not a high priority right now.

[Gentleman 4]

Well I don't really try to actively sort anyone in particular, but I suppose I would focus more on G9.
Considering voting L1/G6, but am waiting for what G6 has to say.

[Gentleman 4]

VOTE: G6/L1

I don't get why we are townreading G9 for assuming that there is only one vote out per dance. It seems consistent with his earlier philosophy that mafia want to pair with people that they can work well with, but I don't find it town indicative and it's more like it explains his earlier pushes. Still need to re-evaluate his slot as a whole, but that's what I'm thinking.

And also with Gent 4 saying I just can't read him, and Lady 4 kind of vouching there

What?

[Gentleman 4]

so present to me the scenario in which lady 6 is town and gentleman 7 pursues lady 6 like he did and how that makes sense

G7 was just trolling and trying to make a showy/townie entrance. Nothing more to it imo, and as L7 said, I feel like L6 would have tried to pull off more of a distance if they were w/w.

[Gentleman 4]

This is what I'm referring to

I still don't get what makes you want my slot gone. I'm not saying that I should be a hard read for you and I don't think L4 is either.

[Gentleman 4]

Hm that is true that I was interested in L2 early on too. I think this was the same reason for you that I was getting gut town vibes. I would say I was preferring both of you equally until you went with G3.
Why did you ask that question? Do you think there's a reason scum me chooses L2 over you?

This doesn't make sense, which happened first, why does it sound like both could hae been first the way you say this

I know people have been suspecting G4, I think I might see why

Why? I guess it was first L6 and then L2, but the interest was there for both of them pretty early.

G4tennis are you this dispassionate in all your games

Am I even allowed to answer this?

[Gentleman 4]

I only get super passionate when I'm under a lot of pressure. Let's just leave it at that.
I don't think I've been super disengaged this game though. It's fun!

[Gentleman 4]

If that happened, then this would be the perfect game.

[Gentleman 4]

i dislike G6's readslist esp his self-towncase based on replacement (which is ???)

i have too many scumreads ugh
but they're all confined to three pairs which is nice

Self towncase comes from town probably because that’s a pretty shady reason he used.

[Gentleman 4]

Gentleman 5 and Lady 2 are the most suspicious here.

Why Lady 2?

[Gentleman 4]

Perhaps it's her metal plate body that makes her sound robotical.

@L3 No

[Gentleman 4]

As I told lady the 1st in our chat yesterday on my drive home, it's a very unsettling feeling, almost like his posts are engineered to drive conversation about his play style a very specific direction, and away from any actual analysis of recent events.

This feels like the generic reason that everybody is using to scumread him.
I remember times where he was engaged with current events like his thoughts on G9 when he and L7 were arguing and when he was talking about L4 after the G7 flip.

[Gentleman 4]

I am really feeling a vanity wagon on the other 2/4 pair.
That sounds like a good place to be voting right now.

say what now?

@G6 I don't get the analogy.

[Gentleman 4]

I want G2 to die and I don't get your case for why he isn't scum with G7. If you can convince me, then I probably don't really know and might even want the G5/L8 pair dead...
Should I be scumreading L2?

[Gentleman 4]

could you explain? I’m trying to piece together what the logic might be and am drawing a blank

I was thinking that scum wouldn't try to stretch the logic that far in trying to prove themselves town. He was referencing the old G6's replace out and I don't think scum would try to use that as a defense.

[Gentleman 4]

No he is very rude

This is funny to me for some reason.
I'm fine with kicking out G2 btw.

Why my pair dead?

I don't townread you anymore for some reason, and I didn't townread L8 really before.

[Gentleman 4]

Making "scumreads" based upon it seems like incredibly high risk... and I'm not a risk adverse gambiter by any means, but there's no upside here. The potential gains form this gambit is entry to the dance if you expected not to make it. However, he was literally in the dance by page 5. Why continue this gambit with no new upsides for nearly another 90 pages of fast-paced content?

It doesn't seem risky because it's not seen as scummy to misread the setup.
What you want to be looking for is the time where he did reveal that he was misreading the setup. I remember that his explanation was that he was reading through past dance games to see if "lynch" was used, but I also remember that he was under some amount of pressure at that time.

[Gentleman 4]

What's your counterwagon L9blue? If it's Pegasus I'm gonna nope but I'm willing to talk about doing someone else.

[Gentleman 4]

G4 what’s L2 up to in the pt and how are you reading her?

We sometimes discuss stuff, and I am still townreading her.

[Gentleman 4]

When did you start TRing her again, G4? Like why was she the lady you asked, I don’t remember

I never scumread her, but I was thinking between her and L6 early on. I think I townread her because she townread L1 after L1 explained why she scumread her, and I also liked her posting in general.
I thought she looked better from interactions with G7.
l2 is rosalina yeah

[Gentleman 4]

do you think you are pocketed in your PT G4

I don't think she's trying to pocket me, and I already townread her.

[Gentleman 4]

What's your case for L4 town?

Aren't you townreading her though?

About G7/L2 interactions, you can control f g7 in her iso. They seem pretty clean to me like when she replied "what" to G2 saying L4/G7 can endgame.

[Gentleman 4]

yeah completely serious

Scum misty can just not townread you then...
easy as that.

[Gentleman 4]

i don't get what was laughable about my post

I think he was talking about my shifty eye post.

[Gentleman 4]

Nice, we’re getting there

You're not even voting them...

[Gentleman 4]

I might have to soon.
Let them talk first.

[Gentleman 4]

Hey G4, can you summarize your G6/L1 read?

G6 is somewhat townie, but I'm not really townreading L1.

[Gentleman 4]

Assume we both flip town. Which pairs would you look at after we flip?

You should answer this too. Like your reason for scumreading L2 is because she sounds robotic which isn't the best?

Anyways, I would look at G5/L8 and G6/L1. Maybe G9/L3?

[Gentleman 4]

Spare yourself the pain and vote them?

STOP! This is just scummy now.

[Gentleman 4]

Their just isn't a scum case in the first place.

Just like your "case" on L2

[Gentleman 4]

But I also think it's my duty to do what I think is right and not just try and aimlessly conform idk.

Ok, it's my duty to make sure people don't sheep you on this one.
Might have to legit vote G2/L4 which is probably unoptimal at this point. We also might want to consider a G5 scum world.

[Gentleman 4]

VOTE: G4-L2

[Gentleman 4]

Hey, don’t want me to vote you, don’t tell me that you’re liable to vote for the wagon I want under pressure of being flipped

wow look at this townie blackmail!

[Gentleman 4]

I'm very sure of who G4 is now lol

lol
good job. Will be curious to see who you are(and if you're right).

[Gentleman 4]

are you seriously calling her scum for this?

it's sorta openwolving if she's scum, so I'm going to go with ridiculously anti-town for now.

[Gentleman 4]

Gent 4 I have a problem with you testing the waters by saying we may need to consider me when I don't think you are able to provide much of a case for me being scum

ok, then maybe it's just L8 and you're still town.

[Gentleman 4]

I’m guessing my pt has the second to least amount of posts with G2/L4 having the least.

[Gentleman 4]

Wow, now I’ll have to win this game solo...
Good job

[Gentleman 4]

I think town!G4 would be using his PT quite a bit

For what?

[Gentleman 4]

I do think we need flips at some point. Are we just waiting for G3 to weigh in on what he thinks?

[Gentleman 4]

Every hang after yours will be a nontrivial decision and it's hard for me to read into the motivations of G5 because I feel like your pair was always going to be pushed by town and scum.

[Gentleman 4]

Difference between them is that town will genuinely evaluate every pair instead of just following a predetermined order pretending to be confident it will work.

Did you feel like he was unfair in wanting you hanged? I remember that he wasn't immediately gunning for your pairing and that he even voted my pair before that.

[Gentleman 4]

How? Straight up what is his agenda

to appear townie enough to endgame with you lol

[Gentleman 4]

were you lady 7?

[Gentleman 4]

I hope he isn't L7. I don't think he is L6 but it's possible.

[Gentleman 4]

my only alt guess was beeboy=L7, so I'm curious about this.

[Gentleman 4]

i mean, that was clearly lady 7? how are people so lost about who said that rofl

I know right?
This is actually sad now

[Gentleman 4]

That's her preferred vote I think.
Who will lead the town now?

[Gentleman 4]

I'm just going to sheep L3(the next obv town slot) until I stop feeling sad
VOTE: G2/L4
L-2

[Gentleman 4]

so UNVOTE: ?
scumread on G8?

[Gentleman 4]

Why isn't she voting?

I don't know. I feel like we should probably start considering alternative wagons to G2/L4 because I get the feeling that's going nowhere. It's already been over three days. I know one alternative is my pair, but L2 is gone so...

pedit: hm ok

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 4's lack of acclimation to the setup dampens how reliable interpreting the way she's approaching the game but it doesn't flip it in the other direction

She's played this setup before though. I didn't think she was misinterpreting anything either.

[Gentleman 4]

Wait are we being wagoner now? How many votes?

[Gentleman 4]

This is ridiculous.

[Gentleman 4]

If you can't read me, just no hang and figure stuff out after intermission(no deadline). Saying "they never endgame" is lazy IMO and I'm sorta townreading both G2/L4, so things change.

[Gentleman 4]

Are you guys scumreading me or L2?

[Gentleman 4]

I just realized something about L2 and it's changed my read of her

which is what?
Y'all be keeping things vague this game like I remember G6 also said "I have something about L3 that I will elaborate on later".

[Gentleman 4]

their main

can't argue against this

[Gentleman 4]

Tell me what you think of the gamestate.

Well people are scumreading my V/LA partner which is quite

convenient

.

[Gentleman 4]

L2 better flip scum or you guys are straight up bad.

[Gentleman 4]

wait I'm fine with voting out G5

[Gentleman 4]

wait I'm fine with voting out G5

Why?

probably OMGUS

[Gentleman 4]

Still haven't gotten your gamestate reads. Just bitching.

old L7 was better

also, I feel like G5's reads have remained pretty static and I don't know if he's really trying to gamesolve. To be fair, he did unvote L2/G4 once after L2 explained why I was townie.
Honestly, this current gamestate feels easy for mafia to blend in because they can just give the "oh they weren't going to endgame excuse". The exception would be if mafia was in the 4-2 pairs...

[Gentleman 4]

Final four pairings:
G5-L8
G1-L7
G6-L1
G9-L3

[snip]

I still think getting rid of your pair is better? I don't think my read is going to change on you to the point where I'm comfortable enough with you to let you get to the end over other people I townread. Which is these pairs:

G5-L8
G1-L7
G6-L1
G9-L3

Wow, his reads haven't changed at all!

[Gentleman 4]

tldr: Neither are end game pairs for basically everyone.

you're not endgame either...

[Gentleman 4]

VOTE: G5/L8
just do this one tbh

[Gentleman 4]

I'll vote g2/l4 if needed, but it's not a preferred vote for me.

[Gentleman 4]

I'm townreading my partner, and I don't understand the reasons for scumreading her besides maybe the reason of "her main". But I don't know her main, so I don't really know.

@G9 after G7 flipped scum, I can't really townread G2, so maybe G5 slightly townier than G2 isk
L4 townier than L8 for sure

[Gentleman 4]

My reads have changed a ton this game, if you can't see that should I go over it for you guys? Later though

Maybe, but at least it seems like your townreads haven't changed much. You even listed them in the same order!

@L6 we can share the flame

[Gentleman 4]

But he hasn't really analyzed my play, he pointed to it and said it was scummy without thinking about it, I feel

This is actually somewhat true.
Well, I was just trying to survive at that point, and when I'm in survive mode, you won't really get detailed analysis. However, I feel like your posting has fallen somewhat flat since your first few days, and this is not an uncommon opinion. Your reads not changing may be a result of the game, but I feel like there's still unique content out there and it's not a great excuse to me.

[Gentleman 4]

Well, I was just trying to survive at that point, and when I'm in survive mode, you won't really get detailed analysis.

This isn't town play, though
Don't accuse me if you don't really suspect me

I suspect you, but I'm just saying that the evidence I used was more spur of the moment.

[Gentleman 4]

Your reads not changing may be a result of the game,

My reads have been changing. They haven't changed in the past 24 hours, no. But when Lady 3 started posting like town, my read there changed, when lady 1 and 7 said they townread gent 1, I said I'd follow along with that. When Gent 6 started posting more, I said he's tentatively towny but responded to only uninteresting things. When Lady 2 reacted to my push, my read there changed. When lady 4 started posting in response to gent 2 getting wagoned, my read changed from null to town.

Fair enough.
UNVOTE:
pedit: I didn't remember you saying those things really, but I'll check. I mostly thought you just wanted someone hanged, and it was sorta scummy to me because I thought it was your only focus.

[Gentleman 4]

I don't think it should be considered scummy to want a pair eliminated at this point in time

i got bad vibes from you making memes wanting to get G2/L4 hanged. It read like cocky scum.
Well, G2 is probably flipped soon so that will affect my read on you.

[Gentleman 4]

@g6 ur pretty townie, but idk about L1. She's the one who needs to obv town to me.
pedit: @L1 bruh

[Gentleman 4]

G4's biggest thing is he comes up with reasons live not overtime.

Learn the wolfy difference

I think I would be more careful as a wolf instead of doing stuff like this, just saying. Also, my read on G5 didn’t really come up on the spot I was suspicious of him since maybe two days ago, and I also never really townread L8. It’s unfair to say that it came out of the blue.
To be honest, I’m less confident in scumreading G5 after last night, but I do think I could justify the initial scum read given some time. I don’t really think this would be helpful though because I would then be wanting to look for reasons G5 was scum instead of actually giving him a real evaluation.
I am considering compiling reads, but I really don’t think it matters too much. Also, you want me to leave the dance because you can’t read me? Well that’s sorta dumb, and the only scenario where I ever leave the dance is when/if you guys convince me that Lady 2 is scum.
Bottom line is that I think what I did with G5 was just a bad mafia habit which is getting reads in my head but never really able to justify them(but I do believe in the reads). Like I would say I’m leaning town on G9 right now, but I couldn’t tell you why. The thing is, I don’t really see myself doing such a thing where I put out reads I can’t exactly explain as mafia, but it’s up to you to believe that.

[Gentleman 4]

she overreacted in a very defensive manner that read like scum

I don't think she was defensive towards you. The closest she got to defensive was the quote where she was talking about how your collective reads probably weren't going to change on her, and you guys should listen to my read.

To be honest, I’m less confident in scumreading G5 after last night,

Why?

The things you were saying sounded reasonable, but I still need to check your ISO.

VOTE: Gent 2

Not complaining, but is this just to drive the hang onto G2 or because you are townreading me?

[Gentleman 4]

I get the sense from Gent 2's posting recently that he's trying to solve the game-- what I mean about that is, I think it's a mostly foregone conclusion that Gent 2 is flipping soon. I think Gent 2 knows that as well.

Detailing plans for who should and shouldnt be in the endgame, trying to strike a deal with me, stuff like that feels unnecessary if he's just about to flip red. And also could potentially be hurting his partner too giving so much extra info. It's sort of like in a regular game when someone is at L-1 and they're obviously going to die-- scum would probably favour giving up to not expose anything to help us find their partner, town will try to dictate what we should do next

In Gent 7's case it was kind of LAMISTy/WIFOMy to save himself (it was just a 1v1), whereas here I don't get the feeling Gent 2 is trying to save himself by WIFOMing us out. I don't think he can and I dont think he thinks he can either. He'd have to push so many miselims, whereas in Gent 1's case he just had to beat out one person.

What do you think of this?
I'm not sure I understand what L3 meant when she disagreed with this.

[Gentleman 4]

How is G2 different from G7?

[Gentleman 4]

I find the whole WIFOM argument quite circular.
VOTE: G2/L4

[Gentleman 4]

L-1 BTW

[Gentleman 4]

ok then
VOTE: L1

[Gentleman 4]

this is how town loses but ok

[Gentleman 4]

Is it tho

bold stuff coming from the person who said this

L5 what is even your case for our pair?

Eh, stuff

[Gentleman 4]

well no one is going to listen to you if this is the type of stuff you're going to say.