Redneck Mafia GAME OVER PARTNER!

[Titus]

Howdy! Who wants to persuade me to join their wagon?

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You scum?

Howdy! Who wants to persuade me to join their wagon?

Join mine and bus yourself.

Totally I am scum. You two are my partners though so this is rather ineffective for our wincon.

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I don't have the energy to shout from the mountaintops anymore.

Come down to the valley. Lots of sheep to mate .. err.. I mean to eat, mate.

Where is this valley and how do I get there?

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Titus replaces in for Doctor Drew, give them a yee haw buddy!!

Wow! Even those who where once considered "reliable" have learnt to rep-out!

Well, at least we et TITUS.

You're stuck with me, so you might as well tell me why your wagon is good.

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You're stuck with me, so you might as well tell me why your wagon is good.

My wagon? Do you mean the one I'm voting?

Yes.

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I can buy it. The formatting sounds a bit off. It could be inarticulate speech but it might not be.

VOTE: Thun

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@Titus:

He also said "Vigilante" was an explicit name to his role, when we evidently have TWO flipped TRPs whose standard role names were not used in their role PMs (Lavender was a Jailkeeper and you don't see the word "Jailkeeper" in her PM. Iec was a Ninja Cop and you don't see either "Cop" or "Ninja" in there).

Aside from the format, I could buy pk kept a low profile in order not to be NK'd (although I do not immediately recall pk being a high-priority kill in previous games), but then he said he'd be targeting Alch on N1 when Thun claims to be an EVEN NIGHT Vig.

Then why isn't he dead already?

@chkflip, Since when do I read?

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Based on the VCs, Bingle is a good vote too.

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Thun, who is scum?

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Based on the VCs, Bingle is a good vote too.

Can you talk more about this?

Sure. We have two town wagons with major presence. So I would look at why scum got invested in T v T. Ensuring scum didn't get wagoned is a decent theory. The last semi-major wagon before the T v T ones was Bingle.

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I’ve been thinking PK was scummy for most of the game.
My only issue is here is the fact that I don’t think I’ve seen PK on anyone’s TR’s this game.
Not to mention their wagon isn’t showing any resistance.
If they are scum, their buds are probably bussing.
My suggestion is that me and Alchemist target PK tonight and we go for someone else today.
What do you all think?
Because assuming they are Even-Night Vigilante and we eliminate that today, we lost our KPN and down another PR.

We need to make the best decision today!

These posts ping my scumdar.

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Sure. We have two town wagons with major presence. So I would look at why scum got invested in T v T. Ensuring scum didn't get wagoned is a decent theory. The last semi-major wagon before the T v T ones was Bingle.

What's wrong with the theory?

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Do you want me to lie about my feelings and try to tunnel someone? Because that's not what town does.

Sure it is. Particularly if you're in the ABR school of town.

I don't lie when I tunnel.

But jokes aside this is a false dichotomy. You can take a stance without tunneling. Stances can change with new evidence.

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You didn't answer my question on the 50 wagon.

I meant to.

The A50 wagon was too early for me to draw meaningful conclusions on at this time, but I have my eye on it.

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Nothing much. It was just a theory I wanted to test that I believe is accurate. It's a weak hypothesis really. It's why I am not hard pushing Bingle at this moment.

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Nothing much implies there's a little something, no?

Share with the class.

If I felt there was confident data, I would have. I don't throw my VCA around lightly and I don't make things up and stretch where I don't feel the evidence supports it. I would need more flips to extrapolate more data here.

Part of me is weirded out at how slow the Thun wagon is.

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Logical, I'd love to see a readslist from you with particular focus on Bingle. Can you do that for me? Right now, I see a your tentacles wrapped around a fencepost, hugging it as if it was a demand from Chtululu.

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@Almost50 @Elsa @Titus @Galron:

Why are you voting me? I can shoot chkflip tonight and potentially confirm myself. I'm aware scum could have a roleblocker, but if they do, it means they have to roleblock me (if I'm right on chk) over any other claimed investigatives or other roles. If I'm wrong on chk and they let me kill him, or if they don't have a roleblocker, I confirm myself. It's a win-win to keep me around for at least a night. Relocate your votes please.

Your target is more serial killerish. Chkflip doesn't feel like scum. You don't confirm yourself as vig if chkflip dies either. Your vig could also be the scumkill if it doesn't show.

There's a distinct lack of scumhunting in your ISO too.

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Yeah nah I just meant in general. Like if there was anything else aside from the VC that made you go that route.

Weirded out how?

Nothing else. Bingle hasn't really posted since I arrived.

As for the Thun wagon, it's not as contentious or as easy as I would expect it to be if Thun was scum. It feels like a setup despite the fact I feel Thun is likely scum.

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Who should I shoot then?

I'm not reading 90 pages if I'm probably gonna be the lynch today.

Bingle, Logical or Temporal.

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VOTE: Logical

I have my eye on the top two wagons, but I am still experimenting.

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What do you think of Titus? This feels a lot like the last game we all played together, but I think you died super early in that one and might not remember as much of it as I do.

Just how do I feel the same? I would expect some similarities given we're the same person but some differences because I am not having NAI shit going on.

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I don't think I can answer that without literally helping you on your scum game, which I think this might be. Some of which floats over from the previous slot holder. Sorry?

Well, it's wrong tbh. Just don't expect me to actually highlight where your logic is wrong if you can't outline the premises.

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VOTE: Logical

I have my eye on the top two wagons, but I am still experimenting.

Give me your reads. In order.

Interesting demand from a guy with a fencepost up his ass.

your reads. In order.

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I'm fine with shooting Temp. He's been kinda defending me and acting unsure while fence sitting and not actually trying to convince people to move their votes. Probably setting himself up to look better when I flip town.

VOTE: Thun

If you actually intend on vigging me because I feel disengaged from this game because nothing's been happening and I have no well-formed reads you're scum trying to push town to a bad decision.

This is scummy for a number of reasons. He is townreading/fencesitting on me before I declare this target. This reaction is of someone who doesn't want to get shot, not someone who suddenly doesn't believe the claim right after I declare I'll be shooting him.

VOTE: Temp

I could do Temp too.

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Town
DGB
Pooky
Bingle
Froppy
Galron
Titus
Vecna
Chkflip
TL
Elsa Jay (Need Confirmation regarding Role)
Scum

3P

Alchemist

Confirm or Die
Thun

Protown
Chkflip Vecna

Townish/not Today
DGB Deimos Alchemist Elsa Jay

GTMH Town
Bingle

Who
Pooky

Awkward claim/wagon - Would compromise here if deadline
Thun

Who can die
Everyone else

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Vecna, I am not sheeping your townreads on TL and Logic. I think they are partners. I'm still a little iffy on you but not scumreading you.

I can however, vote whatever wagon gets off the ground in my pool.

VOTE: Galron

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@Vecna, EJ just feels town to me. I particularly don't like TL's jump onto EJ. You are near the top of my reads list but that doesn't make you right. It also doesn't absolve you of all paranoia, particularly before my VCA gains strength.

That being said, the case you lay out is the type of thing I look for in SvS. So if I am wrong, you are probably right. Do you think chkflip is making up his meta scumread on me and positioning himself for tmo?

What makes you think EJ is scum? Do you think Thun is included in their team?

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@Vecna, EJ just feels town to me. I particularly don't like TL's jump onto EJ. You are near the top of my reads list but that doesn't make you right. It also doesn't absolve you of all paranoia, particularly before my VCA gains strength.

That being said, the case you lay out is the type of thing I look for in SvS. So if I am wrong, you are probably right. Do you think chkflip is making up his meta scumread on me and positioning himself for tmo?

What makes you think EJ is scum? Do you think Thun is included in their team?

Just feels town to you?

The slot made like 2 posts since you rep'd in. Can you be more specific?

No. That's why I am not shooting you down. I am open to being wrong.

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Town Miller hoping to get shot first, maybe, but not scum.

Wait are you just not claiming miller?

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@Vecna, EJ just feels town to me. I particularly don't like TL's jump onto EJ. You are near the top of my reads list but that doesn't make you right. It also doesn't absolve you of all paranoia, particularly before my VCA gains strength.

That being said, the case you lay out is the type of thing I look for in SvS. So if I am wrong, you are probably right. Do you think chkflip is making up his meta scumread on me and positioning himself for tmo?

What makes you think EJ is scum? Do you think Thun is included in their team?

Let me ask you this.
Do you think someone’s buddy claims Vigilante when they know you already claimed it?

I never claimed vig. Either you have your prounouns messed up or this is unclear as fuck.

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Town Miller hoping to get shot first, maybe, but not scum.

Wait are you just now claiming miller?

Ebwop

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Titus I said I would shoot Alch day 1 to continue our fun get together practice of shooting each other n1.

Pedit: Hypothetically at the moment. Just trying to see how Venca's reasoning holds up.

I am not interested in a walkback.

Are you a miller? Yes or no?

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@Vecna, you ignored my question about chkflip possibly faking his meta read on me.

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VOTE: TemporalLich

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What's different from what you're doing except TL doesn't want to die?

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so much for trying to find scum and instead wanting to policy lim the townie who thinks this game is bad but still doesn't want to die because that would be unfair to the rest of the town

What's different from what you're doing except TL doesn't want to die?

That's not how I'd personally react to being wagoned.

I'm not appealing to people's emotions, I'm just continuously bitching about the gamestate.

On what planet is that remotely the same thing?

TL: *bitches about gamestate punishing gamestate*
Chkflip: *bitches about gamestate*
Also Flip: I want to die. Let me die.
Also Flip: TL is AtE.

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@Vecna, you ignored my question about chkflip possibly faking his meta read on me.

yeah, i did. Im being weirded out a bit by the thing where both you and chk want me to formulate opinions on the other. Do it yourself, dont use me as the middleman.

Besides, I didnt really get the point chk was trying to make.

I'm not using you to form an opinion. I am using you as a sounding board to verify if my emotional/tone read is valid. I don't really care if you don't like it, but that's how I work with mutual townreads. I use them to shore up my weak points and check my work.

So I'd appreciate it if you answer. If you don't then whatever. I'll live, but don't bite my hand and then complain I am uncooperative.

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How I analyze Titus is forever changing because she's a savvy lawyer and if I have the hook I better be fucking ready for a fire fight because she brings it.

Knock off the burden of proficiency and read me as any other player if you're town.

I bring the fire as either alignment. I defend better than I prosecute. I am a big believer in reasonable doubt.

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The annoying thing about this game is that all my reads can be discounted. No hardlock towns whatsoever. Most scum suspects have had some nice redeeming posts. TL and LC are going to get themselves lynched because their logic is all over the place and has no trajectory that people can identify with. The pisskop and username slots are skilled enough to fake that shit.

yegh

Have you considered that TL and LC have no trajectory because they're scum?

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How I analyze Titus is forever changing because she's a savvy lawyer and if I have the hook I better be fucking ready for a fire fight because she brings it.

Knock off the burden of proficiency and read me as any other player if you're town.

I bring the fire as either alignment. I defend better than I prosecute. I am a big believer in reasonable doubt.

Pretty strange stance for a lawyer to not account for proficiency.

Id wager your day does not go well if you do not account for the proficiency of opposing council.

Accounting for the proficiency of opposing council is a factor for defeating the argument, not for whether or not the speaker believes it to be true.

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*counsel

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UNVOTE: TL

I'll unvote for now until I get some time to reflect at least and look at the VCs some more.

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*checks name of game*
*checks role PM*

If this is redneck mafia, why is there so much goo?

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Gel is definitely a redneck thing. Can confirm.

Elsa I asked more questions please don't ignore me thanks.

Rednecks using hair gel are not my type of rednecks.

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If this is redneck mafia, why is there so much goo?

Isn't FL constantly talking about goo?

I know that's meta beyond meta but it popped in my head.

So? Flavor Leaf doesn't seem like much of a redneck.

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VC Please

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VOTE: LC

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Ugh, more doubt on my LC read. Those posts are so so so bad

VOTE: Elsa Jay

These two posts don't go together Vecna. Explain please.

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Head pounding. Hope this flips scum.

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VOTE: Logical

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Spoiler: Bingle

I’ve been thinking PK was scummy for most of the game.
My only issue is here is the fact that I don’t think I’ve seen PK on anyone’s TR’s this game.
Not to mention their wagon isn’t showing any resistance.
If they are scum, their buds are probably bussing.
My suggestion is that me and Alchemist target PK tonight and we go for someone else today.
What do you all think?
Because assuming they are Even-Night Vigilante and we eliminate that today, we lost our KPN and down another PR.

We need to make the best decision today!

These posts ping my scumdar.

Logical, I'd love to see a readslist from you with particular focus on Bingle. Can you do that for me? Right now, I see a your tentacles wrapped around a fencepost, hugging it as if it was a demand from Chtululu.

VOTE: Logical

I have my eye on the top two wagons, but I am still experimenting.

VOTE: Logical

I have my eye on the top two wagons, but I am still experimenting.

Give me your reads. In order.

Interesting demand from a guy with a fencepost up his ass.

your reads. In order.

Vecna, I am not sheeping your townreads on TL and Logic. I think they are partners. I'm still a little iffy on you but not scumreading you.

I can however, vote whatever wagon gets off the ground in my pool.

VOTE: Galron

That's why.

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Either Thun or Logical is likely lying. I'll explain more when not so tired.

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Ok, I'll catch up in a bit.

However, if Thun killed chkflip, he'd be dead. Therefore, if Thun did indeed visit chkflip then he lied about being a vig. If Thun visited someone else or holstered then Logical is lying. I cannot see a world where both are true.

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Vecna, can you lay out your theory in condensed bullet points? Thank you.

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what I think happened:
-A50 targeted pisskop n1.
-The cookie got reflected back to A50
-Pisskop still got the msg someone tried to sent him a poisoned biscuit. He asks around, pretending hes talking about the 3p.
-A50 responds and lets him know he sent it and that hes gonna die from the cookie.
-scum realize a50 is their traitor. they all sent coded msgs to let A50 know the scumteam. I quoted em on the last page.

Why would the scum message A50 after he's claimed he's dead?

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I'm out for today. Just got hit with a major car repair and a work deadline.

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I counterclaim VT fwiw.

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It is Vanilla Hilbilly as the name.

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It’s possible scum knows the VT flavour.

I didn't claim my flavor for that reason. Let's see what they say.

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Floppy if you haven’t done so please claim your flavor.

The belt buckles distract from your disappointing groin.

The only thing I haven't shared is this and my name which I don't think matters at all, not exactly sure what flavor is.

Floppy!

Name is what I’m after. It probably doesn’t matter, but please humor me.

I don't feel comfortable sharing that because I'm not sure how to paraphrase it.

You can claim flavor without quoting your role PM and its fine.

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Your name is flavor btw

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@Bingle, Noted on the lack of VCA. I have been struggling with RL issues these past few days.

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VCs and colored. Thanks DGB!

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you only care to comment when you get votes on you.

That’s not true and you know it. Fuck off.

Do not badger townies, it's not a good look.

Great when Vecna's confirmed lmk.

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I'd compromise on Bingle. Not really thrilled with a Froppy lynch. Prefer LC.

I haven't read the past couple days and probably won't.

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Not really thrilled with a Froppy lynch. Prefer LC

Tell me why.

I have had LC and Temporal as partners ever since the Thun wagon.

Vecna kept saying reasonable doubt. So I am not inclined to listen to Vecna today.

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Also, DGB I did see your comment about me being suspect. I am cop cleared. Deal with Town Titus, even if you don't like her.

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anyways, can we just get this over with?

im really hating the line bingles taking here, and his progression just feels like majorly white knighting or protecting scum, but its not enough for me to not want to lynch in froppy/newslot.

If you think I’m scum, either case me or explain why scum me commits to tunneling a partner with an OP role and who is townread the moment I land in the game, to the point where I get him killed, despite having my pick of other options.

Titus, that goes double for you knowing I just did basically the opposite when I replaced into a scumteam with a scumread you with a strong role and risked my neck repeatedly to keep you alive so we had a chance.

That's not what I felt happened.

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Regardless, look at my argument. I was wrong on LC, it happens. Doesnt mean you should discount everything else I say. Else everyone might as well replace out as soon as they are wrong on a single read.

You were wrong on Temporal, LC hasn't flipped yet.

We already discussed your argument. I don't believe the scumteam was talking openly. You do.

You're the one ignoring the posts I made about LC being scum which is most of my ISO.

@DGB for you too.

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@DGB for you too.

I was hoping for Cliff's Notes because I am lazy.

LC made a bunch of scummy posts.

A sample..

I’ve been thinking PK was scummy for most of the game.
My only issue is here is the fact that I don’t think I’ve seen PK on anyone’s TR’s this game.
Not to mention their wagon isn’t showing any resistance.
If they are scum, their buds are probably bussing.
My suggestion is that me and Alchemist target PK tonight and we go for someone else today.
What do you all think?
Because assuming they are Even-Night Vigilante and we eliminate that today, we lost our KPN and down another PR.

We need to make the best decision today!

These posts ping my scumdar.

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I'm don't have the energy to fight. The melodrama pings my scumdar as yesterday wasn't a high pressure situation. We didn't need to be perfect or fast. It's very salesman like.

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Vecna, talk to me. How are you feeling? What are your SRs?

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DGB, am I going to have to put you in timeout too? I so do not have the energy for this.

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DGB, am I going to have to put you in timeout too? I so do not have the energy for this.

You know what? Very few of your posts have been useful. I'm done.
VOTE: Titus

I called TL and LC partners before they ever flipped and pushed them past loud mouth Vecna.

Go ahead and call that nothing.

Meanwhile, I will find the last scum.

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Real life is full of shitholles. I may not be on as much for the next couple days. I don't want to take it out on you guys.

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VOTE: Elsa Jay fwiw

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I am not voting Alch. Scum were hit in dpite of you DGB. They didn't defend Alch because their lives depended on it. They whiteknighted him of they defended him at all. You and Vecna are so exhausting right now.

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VOTE: Vecna

I am not wanting to do Alchemist because there's no convincing case on Alchemist. Galron feels pretty town. I feel like the best lynches are Vecna and Elsa right now. I don't buy two shouty wrong people drowning out the thread.

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The thing is with this game, there's not many scum left so it's hard to find the last one. I feel Galron is town for the way he stood up to me. I feel Alch isn't group scum based on his play. The rest I am like ok whatever. I don't have a strong preference. Obviously we aren't doing Adorable but I don't have a TR there either.

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Alch, what's your thing with visiting roles again?

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Alch, what's your thing with visiting roles again?

Any non-factional action used on me fails and I get a 1-shot copy of the ability. I need to use 2 of those copied abilities and I’m at 1.

Can you try to visit Elsa Jay? Her ability should fail on you.

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Or we could just have Thun shoot Alch.

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I kinda want to vote Vecna even if there's a decent chance he is the townbeard. He defended both scum lynches and now he's all protesting as if pinned down.

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NGL, I'd throw my support behind anything I think has a chance to flip scum if a wagon showed up. I feel like we've been talking in circles for days and we're to mired in that tedium to really have incredible insights right now. At least a flip would give us something new to go off of, even if it isn't scum.

That's where I have been for awhile.

I shouted down Vecna twice. I don't have a third scumread to really shout down anyone else with. So if someone makes a decent case I'll vote it. At least my death will likely be fast so I don't have to read DGB's posts anymore.

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Mod:VC please

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Do we have any proof DGB is actually a princess?

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Can the people who are not voting vote someone? We have threeish days and the largest wagon is one?

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Do we have any proof DGB is actually a princess?

Pooky + no cc.

Is that proof a princess is in the game though?

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We just need the non voting people to start voting. I am going stir crazy.

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VOTE: Froppy

Whatever. Don't like voting with Vecna or DGB. Don't want Galron. So Froppy or Vecna it is.

Can we please start voting now?

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I am going stir crazy.

That sure does sound like something the last scum would say.

Come on Alchemist, 'fess up.

DGB, are you even listening to anyone at this point? Your belligerent attitude that suggests you can't acknowledge my accuracy and being protown is unhelpful. You've drowned out any useful discussion with your flail. Your play has been so bad I want you to be scum but your meta suggests you aren't. Let it go. Suppose I am town and try to create an environment where we can get the best out of each other before we die.

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I can't because I haven't even convinced myself. My theories depend on watching what people do and no one is doing anything. So everything is fucking stale. All I see are please don't lynch me statements except from Galron.

Vecna - I messed up but I am town.
Bingle - I would play this different as scum.
Elsa - I'll never claim my real role if you lynch me.
DGB - Can we lynch the cop clear? No. Ok. *spams hissy fit*
Alch - Can someone please target me with a non factional?
Adorable - Ok. I will.
Galron - *tries to scumhunt*
Froppy - Exists.

That's my literal thoughts right now.

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Not voting Alch.

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Alch makes zero sense as a lynch.

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VOTE: EJ

Fine.

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He literally said Alch or EJ. I don't want Alch. It creates drama as to who Adorable shoots and he's not likely to hit scum. It also makes me conftown and I hate being conftown.

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Being conftown is hard enough when not depressed. We sacrifice resorces and verifications to do it.

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Why are we so confident only one scum remains when the only wagon to get three votes is set up to ensure both Alch and Adorable get lynched rather than scum?

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I will check this in the morning. If no one has moved, I'll reluctantly move to Alch. It's a shit lynch but no lynching is worse.

Adorable, when Alch flips third party you shoot Vecna or Froppy.

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DGB, someday we'll get a game where we're both town and we can work together. Someday...

Maybe I'll be 90 but it'll happen. I have faith.