Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

Battle Mage · Post Post #67 (isolation #0) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:24 pm

In post 63, Toogeloo wrote:My entrance is also more or less identical to Pooky v Flava, the only other vs. game I've participated in.

true - and which is why I'll open with VOTE: toogeloo

Repeating the town-slip entrance which largely lock-towned Toogeloo in the last game, seems contrived. and I like the way the wagon picked up momentum quick.

Battle Mage · Post Post #72 (isolation #1) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:27 pm

In post 69, ItalianoVD wrote:So Nancy is the good guy and Titus is the bad guy? So if I’m not a mason, how do I help Nancy?

try and avoid getting elimmed and try and steer Nancy/masons onto the right track.

although don't take advice from me - I was mis-elimmed day 1 last time in this setup, despite the town stump knowing i was town.

Battle Mage · Post Post #81 (isolation #2) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:35 pm

In post 73, Pyro wrote:Battle Mage,

Toogeloo is aware that everyone knows they did this in the previous game
. Are you suggesting they claim it expecting to be locktowned again?

Secondly, what about the wagon picking up momentum quickly do you like?

i see your shoot first, feign questions later approach.

1. not everyone in this game played with them last time, and yes I believe they would do it for that reason, and although they could do as either alignment, my gut-take is it feels forced and gambity from a scum-angle.

2. in my opinion, early wagons which pick up momentum quick tend to have a higher likelihood of yielding scum (because scum will often be eager to jump on a buddy early for distancing value whilst they don't see the likelihood of elim as very high).

Now tell me - are you Toogeloo's lawyer? Odd choice of words in bold above otherwise.

Battle Mage · Post Post #84 (isolation #3) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:37 pm

In post 75, Toogeloo wrote:I think a tear was shed at least, BM.

haha it was for the best - once i was dead, town actually got it's shit together.

Battle Mage · Post Post #88 (isolation #4) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:38 pm

In post 82, War and Peace wrote:
In post 70, Pyro wrote:VOTE: Battle Mage
I think you're jumping the gun here. Battle Mage is in some ways very like mastina; they're both loud, both confident, and both have ample opportunity to be wrong. For an early game read, I don't think Battle Mage's take is bad (though I agree it raises some eyebrows).
~Ircher

blimey i dont like this. but tell me, why does my take "raise eyebrows" despite not being bad?

Battle Mage · Post Post #100 (isolation #5) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:42 pm

In post 87, Titus wrote:
In post 81, Battle Mage wrote:Toogeloo's lawyer
No I am.

My skill level depends on whether or not I want my client convicted.

Someone should stop me from representing 17 clients at the same time.

shall i indulge in a bit of early-game WIFOM? i reckon you just kept it simple and picked broadly those you see as the strongest players, rather than trying to do anything more ambitious i.e. trying to triple-bluff.

Battle Mage · Post Post #101 (isolation #6) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:43 pm

In post 89, shadowslug wrote:
In post 82, War and Peace wrote:
In post 70, Pyro wrote:VOTE: Battle Mage
I think you're jumping the gun here. Battle Mage is in some ways very like mastina; they're both loud, both confident, and both have ample opportunity to be wrong. For an early game read, I don't think Battle Mage's take is bad (though I agree it raises some eyebrows).
~Ircher
if it raises eyebrows then what's the harm in pyro voting BM here? ilike what actually is the point of this post?

-shadow

In post 90, Fey wrote:
In post 82, War and Peace wrote:
In post 70, Pyro wrote:VOTE: Battle Mage
I think you're jumping the gun here. Battle Mage is in some ways very like mastina; they're both loud, both confident, and both have ample opportunity to be wrong. For an early game read, I don't think Battle Mage's take is bad (though I agree it raises some eyebrows).
~Ircher
Hey, so like, I know you want to kill me with fire a little bit but I hope we can talk still!

What about it makes you raise your eyebrows? How many eyebrows?

It feels a bit like you're trying to be political about approaching Battle Mage's read right now, and not in a paranoia way. More like a seedy criminal sort of way!

i agree with both of these takes on Ircher's post.

Battle Mage · Post Post #111 (isolation #7) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:48 pm

In post 93, Pyro wrote:Battle Mage,

Some are aware, which means all will be once someone brings it up. I think on it's own it's slightly town-indicative. Toogeloo if VT, is highly encouraged to repeat the claim if last game. Toogeloo if scum, may be encouraged to gambit it as scum.

I disagree - it serves least value if Toogeloo actually is a VT. I could buy the argument it's a town PR play maybe, but not sure Toogeloo is the 'fakeclaim as town' sort.

To me it makes most sense as a scumplay, although alternatives are possible. I could easily imagine Titus picking Toogeloo and suggesting he does that as a gambit (given Titus modded the last game and had a good view of it's effectiveness)

Battle Mage · Post Post #114 (isolation #8) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:49 pm

In post 109, Titus wrote:
In post 100, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 87, Titus wrote:
In post 81, Battle Mage wrote:Toogeloo's lawyer
No I am.

My skill level depends on whether or not I want my client convicted.

Someone should stop me from representing 17 clients at the same time.
shall i indulge in a bit of early-game WIFOM? i reckon you just kept it simple and picked broadly those you see as the strongest players, rather than trying to do anything more ambitious i.e. trying to triple-bluff.
I did but "strongest players" is very situationally defined. I play to the situation at hand. If you were the stump and nancy was in the game, I pick a different team. I have a strategy.

olive branch accepted.

Battle Mage · Post Post #120 (isolation #9) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:54 pm

In post 106, War and Peace wrote:
In post 89, shadowslug wrote:
In post 82, War and Peace wrote:
In post 70, Pyro wrote:VOTE: Battle Mage
I think you're jumping the gun here. Battle Mage is in some ways very like mastina; they're both loud, both confident, and both have ample opportunity to be wrong. For an early game read, I don't think Battle Mage's take is bad (though I agree it raises some eyebrows).
~Ircher
if it raises eyebrows then what's the harm in pyro voting BM here? ilike what actually is the point of this post?

-shadow
Perhaps eyebrows isn't the best term here. What I mean is that the take, while reasonable, isn't necessarily a good take, as in it's likely that it's wrong or misinformed.

In post 90, Fey wrote:Hey, so like, I know you want to kill me with fire a little bit but I hope we can talk still!

What about it makes you raise your eyebrows? How many eyebrows?
No, that's my partner that wants to kill you.

First, I refer you to my above comment. Anyway, Battle Mage's post is incorrect in that it didn't really locktown Toogeloo the previous game (on the contrary, the majority of the town still wanted to lim that slot up until its death!) Thus, it doesn't logically follow that Toogeloo would repeat it here in an attempt to garner towncred.
~Ircher

i dont remember anyone wanting to elim Toogeloo? Admittedly I died Day 1, but in that first 110 pages I thought we had pretty much unanimous agreement that Toogeloo was town because of the manner of his claim. Maybe you're right though. I'm still fine with my vote.

Battle Mage · Post Post #122 (isolation #10) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:56 pm

In post 117, Fey wrote:I feel really good right now about Battle Mage and the Shadowslug hydra just because we all had the same take at the exact same time. It felt like all went 'huh' naturally together, and it made me giggle.

yeah, instinctively i feel good about you too because your take feels genuine and i like that you persevered with it in multiple posts. Initial sense is this is shadowslug-town, although early days.

Battle Mage · Post Post #128 (isolation #11) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:59 pm

Nancy, can you do me a solid and listen to Pooky? unless he's scum.

VOTE: war and peace

ok wagon-o-clock

Battle Mage · Post Post #133 (isolation #12) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:03 pm

In post 131, Fey wrote:
In post 129, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: ItalianoVD
I got a feeling this is scum
What makes you feel like that?

hmm, I confess I didn't feel that, but I'd give Gamma benefit of the doubt here.

Battle Mage · Post Post #138 (isolation #13) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:04 pm

In post 134, Fey wrote:
In post 133, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 131, Fey wrote:
In post 129, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: ItalianoVD
I got a feeling this is scum
What makes you feel like that?
hmm, I confess I didn't feel that, but I'd give Gamma benefit of the doubt here.
I mean, I was? I didn't get that feeling either, so I was curious why he did...? ^^

ah sorry I wasn't insinuating anything about your view - just quoted your post as most recent.

Battle Mage · Post Post #145 (isolation #14) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:08 pm

i'd be happy to townblock with Fey, Charlie and Snoopy and Batsunami.

Battle Mage · Post Post #153 (isolation #15) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:12 pm

In post 149, Fey wrote:
In post 145, Battle Mage wrote:i'd be happy to townblock with Fey, Charlie and Snoopy and Batsunami.
Can we include Pyro? He's leading the charge on War and Peace so I think he's earned his place with us for now, and that's even without him being apart of our little moment! I feel good about him.

sorry but definitely not

Battle Mage · Post Post #163 (isolation #16) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:16 pm

In post 155, Fey wrote:
In post 153, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 149, Fey wrote:
In post 145, Battle Mage wrote:i'd be happy to townblock with Fey, Charlie and Snoopy and Batsunami.
Can we include Pyro? He's leading the charge on War and Peace so I think he's earned his place with us for now, and that's even without him being apart of our little moment! I feel good about him.
sorry but definitely not
Seriously? What's put you off of him?

I think he had the least credible take on Toogeloo out of players who have commented.

Battle Mage · Post Post #168 (isolation #17) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:17 pm

In post 161, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 128, Battle Mage wrote:Nancy, can you do me a solid and listen to Pooky? unless he's scum.

VOTE: war and peace

ok wagon-o-clock
Yes, if he’s town here, I would definitely take his reads into account since he caught like two scum last game. However, I think it’s too early to have a read on him yet. I already have quite a few trs that I’m taking my cues from.

hey, here's hoping i'm one of them!

Battle Mage · Post Post #195 (isolation #18) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:29 pm

VOTE: dunnstral

i'll sheep noraa for a bit

Battle Mage · Post Post #201 (isolation #19) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:31 pm

In post 196, Batsunami wrote:
In post 191, Fey wrote:Why are you stubborn about your vote on Dunnstral?
Because I want to be. Whats up with your obsession with me? I know I'm charming and all but uh no thank you.

please don't fight you guys <3 you're both town, cool your jets!

Battle Mage · Post Post #205 (isolation #20) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:33 pm

In post 202, Fey wrote:I really liked you at the beginning, but not right now! You have the energy but I think energy is the easiest thing to fake, and the things you're saying just... don't make sense to me.

give that slot time - it will ooze towniness if town.

Battle Mage · Post Post #217 (isolation #21) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:35 pm

I may be a minority of 1, but I'm standing by my Pyro-SR.

Battle Mage · Post Post #228 (isolation #22) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:39 pm

In post 214, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 201, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 196, Batsunami wrote:
In post 191, Fey wrote:Why are you stubborn about your vote on Dunnstral?
Because I want to be. Whats up with your obsession with me? I know I'm charming and all but uh no thank you.
please don't fight you guys <3 you're both town, cool your jets!
I hope you’re town because you’re doing a pretty decent job of pocketing me so far.

aww thanks

i'm feeling the love!

Battle Mage · Post Post #242 (isolation #23) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:42 pm

In post 219, Batsunami wrote:Nancy is locktown(not like this is mod confirmed already) because I also feel pocketed by BM

In post 221, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Gun to head, at least half of the scumteam has probably not posted yet. We’ll see.

yeah I can believe that.

In post 225, Batsunami wrote:
In post 217, Battle Mage wrote:I may be a minority of 1, but I'm standing by my Pyro-SR.
Hm did you not see my pyro SR?

I think I missed it!

Battle Mage · Post Post #272 (isolation #24) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:53 pm

In post 255, Fey wrote:Would anyone else like to chime in on the points that I'm making right now?

I feel like Batsunami ignoring me has had a spillover effect to other people not wanting to chime in... which is most likely what they want, for me to be tuned out.

I was honestly hoping you would eventually drop it without me needing to chime in. I understand your frustration, and admire your tenacity, but I strongly believe Batsunami has wholesome motives here. If nothing else, the value of a townblock is in co-operation. I'm not voting for Pyro, despite personally believing Pyro is very scummy, out of respect for your read. Can I ask that you respect my read on Batsunami and apply pressure elsewhere for now?

Battle Mage · Post Post #277 (isolation #25) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:54 pm

Fey seriously please

Battle Mage · Post Post #309 (isolation #26) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:05 pm

Fey is obvtown but just super tunnel-visioned and not seeing things clearly.

Battle Mage · Post Post #317 (isolation #27) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:07 pm

Fey - one thing i've learnt from the last iteration of this game is the importance of a collegiate approach. It's valuable to take a step back and get a sense of everything going on around you - what's the mood music?

Battle Mage · Post Post #325 (isolation #28) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:09 pm

I also feel like War and Peace could just be town. stick them in the townpile for today.

Battle Mage · Post Post #334 (isolation #29) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:12 pm

In post 324, Fey wrote:
In post 317, Battle Mage wrote:Fey - one thing i've learnt from the last iteration of this game is the importance of a collegiate approach. It's valuable to take a step back and get a sense of everything going on around you - what's the mood music?
I have a sense of what is going on around me, but if I have an opinion that I do not want to lose track of I am going to stick by it while I can. Even if it is annoying.

I haven't listened to any music throughout this, so I can't say...

you dont have to lose track of your own reads and opinions, but i did talk to you and you didn't listen to me. patience will do you no harm in this case - we can revisit down the line.

Battle Mage · Post Post #339 (isolation #30) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:13 pm

In post 329, Fey wrote:
In post 321, Pyro wrote:
In post 310, Fey wrote:
In post 304, Pyro wrote:
In post 292, Gamma Emerald wrote:Fey has a point about annoyance being readable
I do think Noraa’s current way of handling her annoyance could be read though
I'm reasonably confident Batsunami's town for their reaction. The subtle frustration underneath their posts which they're not overplaying for towncred is very towny.
I will respectfully disagree with you for now.

Who else do you believe I should be looking into?
War and Peace of course.

Despair.

Death.

Ircher.
I will follow you for now...

VOTE: War and Peace

Battle Mage · Post Post #353 (isolation #31) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:17 pm

In post 335, Pyro wrote:
In post 288, Pyro wrote:Battle Mage,

Why do I feel the majority of your scumread on me OS due to my initial suspicion on you? Why exactly does my disagreeing with you on Toogeloo's initial post being towny/scummy make me scum?

you didn't have an initial suspicion on me? you random-voted me iirc. your take on Toogeloo was easier to justify if you were making it from a scum-mindset. and nah there's more to my scumread than that - i think you've been creeping up to folks in a really awkward way.

Battle Mage · Post Post #369 (isolation #32) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:22 pm

In post 340, Fey wrote:
In post 334, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 324, Fey wrote:
In post 317, Battle Mage wrote:Fey - one thing i've learnt from the last iteration of this game is the importance of a collegiate approach. It's valuable to take a step back and get a sense of everything going on around you - what's the mood music?
I have a sense of what is going on around me, but if I have an opinion that I do not want to lose track of I am going to stick by it while I can. Even if it is annoying.

I haven't listened to any music throughout this, so I can't say...
you dont have to lose track of your own reads and opinions, but i did talk to you and you didn't listen to me. patience will do you no harm in this case - we can revisit down the line.
I really just think that it doesn't do us good when we disagree on things to present ourselves as a unified block is all, which is a little sad because I was looking forward to that but being driven towards compromises at times doesn't suit me well currently...

some of us are more informed than others, which is why compromise is key.

Battle Mage · Post Post #374 (isolation #33) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:24 pm

In post 363, Pyro wrote:
In post 353, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 335, Pyro wrote:
In post 288, Pyro wrote:Battle Mage,

Why do I feel the majority of your scumread on me OS due to my initial suspicion on you? Why exactly does my disagreeing with you on Toogeloo's initial post being towny/scummy make me scum?
you didn't have an initial suspicion on me? you random-voted me iirc. your take on Toogeloo was easier to justify if you were making it from a scum-mindset. and nah there's more to my scumread than that - i think you've been creeping up to folks in a really awkward way.
I voted you because your suspicion of Toogeloo seemed forced actually.

*shrug* I think if you're being honest, things have moved on since then and you have a lot more to potentially evaluate me on.

Battle Mage · Post Post #387 (isolation #34) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:30 pm

hmm im not sure. yes he was political, but he was also political and diplomatic as town in pooky vs flava.

Battle Mage · Post Post #399 (isolation #35) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:33 pm

In post 395, Sherlock and Watson wrote:VOTE: ircher

I'm a pyro doublevoter

Also ask sam what she thinks about paimon for me

-S

you get a doublevote only when you vote for pyro?

Battle Mage · Post Post #402 (isolation #36) » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:34 pm

i like how active and engaged Nancy is being, but asking her to frequently weigh in on specific reads feels misguided.

Battle Mage · Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:20 pm

apologies I haven't had time to catch-up/do anything tonight - snowed under with work, but should be back to normal tomorrow hopefully. anticipate we will take things steady in any case, and keen that we don't put anyone at -1 without townstump approval. Nancy - do you have a system in mind for controlling this? If you've already said in this thread, don't worry.

a quick overview of where I was at last check-in (partly for my own benefit)

Not elimming today:

Batsunami (Noraa + Morning Tweet)
War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97)
Fey
Charlie and Snoopy (Marcistar + Shadowslug)

So the remaining pool is:

Sherlock and Watson (Krazy + PenguinPower)
Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)
Gamma Emerald
Morty and Rick (mastina + Auro)
SaraharaS
Rogue Squadron (Lunar Martian + Akarin)
Dunnstral
Clidd
ItalianoVD
Toogeloo
Pyro
Saudade

Battle Mage · Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:45 pm

will do Nancy, but I need to read the remainder of the game first.

i'll be back with that tomorrow (although i'm more in the market for SRs than additional TRs)

Battle Mage · Post Post #1204 (isolation #39) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:45 am

hang on, am i dead? or imminently dying? lol just weighing up whether there's any point doing a thorough catch up.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1207 (isolation #40) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:47 am

it's obviously something about these 'vs' setups...maybe i should be flattered scum-stump always wants to elim me Day 1. or ashamed that scum-stump thinks I'm an easy Day 1 mis-elim to get in the bag.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1208 (isolation #41) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:47 am

In post 1206, Titus wrote:
In post 1204, Battle Mage wrote:hang on, am i dead? or imminently dying? lol just weighing up whether there's any point doing a thorough catch up.
Noraa tunnel. Don't worry I got you.

lol thanks, i'll catch up after dinner.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1209 (isolation #42) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:49 am

In post 1205, Titus wrote:
In post 1176, Batsunami wrote:he'd also be a pretty good draft although don't know if Titus is familiar with him, i'd assume she is
I am familiar with everyone on this list. I like everyone on this list. These games have a wisdom of the stump for a reason. Everyone is a valid possibility.

Titus massively respects me as a player. But she also saw first hand how I spectacularly capitulated on Day 1 of the last iteration of this. I'm glad for her she didn't pick me tbh.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1210 (isolation #43) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:51 am

In post 1134, Batsunami wrote: But. Everyone will listen to me on the BM SR because this is a tell that I have used to catch multiple scum in under twenty pages.
It is 100% effective and a tell that has never in the history of MS failed me before.

this is pretty much exactly what Mastina said before mis-elimming me in Pooky vs Flavor.

Humility is one small step on the road to Credibility.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1215 (isolation #44) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:55 am

In post 1211, Morty and Rick wrote:You got lolhammered, sorry about that, were you town?

-Morty

yup

anyone got a tl;dr on the case before i eat?

Battle Mage · Post Post #1217 (isolation #45) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:57 am

In post 1213, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1210, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1134, Batsunami wrote: But. Everyone will listen to me on the BM SR because this is a tell that I have used to catch multiple scum in under twenty pages.
It is 100% effective and a tell that has never in the history of MS failed me before.
this is pretty much exactly what Mastina said before mis-elimming me in Pooky vs Flavor.

Humility is one small step on the road to Credibility.
Oh nah. This tell has worked on three different scums. I've used this tell three times and caught three scum.

you'll forgive me if i'm not overly enamoured with it if it's caused you to mis-elim me

more to the point, you mis-reading me here isn't a great look given you have loads of experience with me. But hey ho, back in a bit.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1333 (isolation #46) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:22 am

i'm here. Jesus, this is gonna be a chore if it's 20 pages of noraa screaming "BM is confscum". my responses probably won't be systematic or comprehensive, but i'll do my best
to keep up with the breakneck pace.

In post 1253, Titus wrote:
In post 1248, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1246, Titus wrote:
In post 1244, Saudade wrote:Amazing deflection

You really think I picked someone who hates scum?
Lol this stump wifom is good. Momma bear realizes her precious baby BM is going under because Noraa is attacking him so she comes to discredit me. Good one.
You gotta deal with Nancy to get Battle Mage through. She's thinking Pooky v FL repeat.

i hope so, cause it is pretty much.

In post 1261, Batsunami wrote:BM last time got miselimed for being absent, being scummy, he argued more, can't exactly remember all the details but he was met with suspicion pretty early and then mastina cased him into the grave.

This game shares the similarity of someone hard tunneling him convinced it's him, although this time it's because he's playing noticeably in a way that is a lot more towny and agreeable. It's not enough for a high scumread from me but i did notice the difference without Noraa pointing it out to me. BM is quite towny as scum -- I'm not really trying to say we should scumread him for playing protown, it's more just the vibes he gives off than anything else. We've yet to see whether or not he fits to playing with a town agenda or not, i just find the way he's presented himself so far interesting

~Bat

As I recall, I got mis-elimmed in the last one because I was spending time with my kid at the weekend and not posting much, and there was some botched angle-shoot linked to my posting frequency in ongoing games. I didn't even arrive until like page 50 in that game, and my goose was pretty much cooked because 1 player was promising on their reputation I was 100% confscum, due to a clever system. I used logic to refute the premise of suspicion but still got elimmed based on the sheer strength of 1 player's personal conviction I was scum, rather than merit of argument. Townstump had a solid townread on me, but was misled by errant masons. Sound familiar?

if the case on me is based on me being friendly and courteous...I guess I was just happy to be playing and getting stuck in early (and quietly optimistic I could make it to day 2).

Battle Mage · Post Post #1336 (isolation #47) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:23 am

In post 1331, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1228, Titus wrote:
In post 1226, Batsunami wrote:Only E-4?
this is like the only wagon that I would be ok with flashwagoning asap.
If you want a BM elim, let the thread breathe.

P.S. Nancy I care more about thread health because I win by creating an enjoyable atmosphere without making content.
Titus is clearly trying to shield the REAL scum here, which I don’t think is BM.

your read is right, but it might not matter.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1342 (isolation #48) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:25 am

In post 1334, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1229, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1227, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Let’s not rush this people. I will consult with ALL of my masons/Miss Cleo and figure out the optimal fade. BM got miselimed last game, so how is he playing differently this time?
Unless BM is a mason, he is for sure scum Nancy. I promise you.
He got run up D1 in Pooky vs FL so I’m leery.

with the greatest respect to noraa, she does this sooner or later (generally sooner) in every game. she has mis-elimmed me for one reason or another in almost every game we played. i'm not gonna take any of it to heart!

Battle Mage · Post Post #1343 (isolation #49) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:25 am

In post 1339, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1309, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Tweetie what happened to you last game? Here you sound similar to Pooky vs FL?
this is a lot better than that last game, right? it seems like i've reset pretty well. Just really unfun irl stuff transpired during that last game, i had less time to play, i was suspected heavily, and so on. Glad to be back at least for the time being
In post 1330, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1326, Batsunami wrote:Tsunami and I are polar opposites
opposites attract! I find scum. You find town. GAME SOLVED!
you are the comically large amount of scumreads to my comically large amount of townreads

pedit: Hi BM >ω<

~Bat

hi, good to see u

Battle Mage · Post Post #1346 (isolation #50) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:26 am

In post 1337, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1333, Battle Mage wrote:f the case on me is based on me being friendly and courteous...I guess I was just happy to be playing and getting stuck in early (and quietly optimistic I could make it to day 2).
Sir, don't AtE.

*shrug* how else would i respond to that?

Battle Mage · Post Post #1351 (isolation #51) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:29 am

In post 1325, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1208, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1206, Titus wrote:
In post 1204, Battle Mage wrote:hang on, am i dead? or imminently dying? lol just weighing up whether there's any point doing a thorough catch up.
Noraa tunnel. Don't worry I got you.
lol thanks, i'll catch up after dinner.
If you’re town, maybe scum stump is possibly saving you for a later misem down the road?

I’m getting pockety vibes from Titus. Hmmmm . . .

i think she just feels sorry for me tbh. we had a bit of a heart to heart after that last game.

for what it's worth, I'm pretty confident noraa-MT is town and 1 head is just misguided here.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1354 (isolation #52) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:30 am

In post 1350, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1333, Battle Mage wrote:As I recall, I got mis-elimmed in the last one because I was spending time with my kid at the weekend and not posting much, and there was some botched angle-shoot linked to my posting frequency in ongoing games. I didn't even arrive until like page 50 in that game, and my goose was pretty much cooked because 1 player was promising on their reputation I was 100% confscum, due to a clever system. I used logic to refute the premise of suspicion but still got elimmed based on the sheer strength of 1 player's personal conviction I was scum, rather than merit of argument. Townstump had a solid townread on me, but was misled by errant masons. Sound familiar?

if the case on me is based on me being friendly and courteous...I guess I was just happy to be playing and getting stuck in early (and quietly optimistic I could make it to day 2).
Mostly accurate, although there were things i wanted you to respond to in that game that you brushed off as being part of that angleshoot case when i didnt see them that way

in any case im not interested in a repeat of that either, although yeah your activity isn't being used this time as far as I know. So that's an improvement, i think!

~Bat

yeah what is the case now? i'm working backwards through the thread so if you tell me here it'll save me some time

Battle Mage · Post Post #1358 (isolation #53) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:31 am

In post 1352, Titus wrote:
In post 1342, Battle Mage wrote:she does this sooner or later (generally sooner) in every game. she has mis-elimmed me for one reason or another in almost every game we played. i'm not gonna take any of it to heart!
You do when it's me.

nah we're cool now

Battle Mage · Post Post #1362 (isolation #54) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:33 am

In post 1355, Saudade wrote:Battle Mage who is your #1 townread at the moment

noraa-MT and the Ircher hydra

Battle Mage · Post Post #1371 (isolation #55) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:36 am

"I call it "the DK tell"
If someone that is typically unlikeable and not charismatic is suddenly charismatic and towny, they are scum. If you agree with everything they say and find them an absolute beacon of towniness, they are scum. Period."

wow, charming thanks. so your foolproof scum case is "BM is usually a big smelly jerk, and he's being nice and useful here. Let's kill him NOW"? The big flaw in the case is, your flattering assessment of my personality is...not AI. Or are you saying I'm unlikeable and not charismatic as town, but charismatic and friendly as scum?

Battle Mage · Post Post #1374 (isolation #56) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:37 am

i would say, objectively, that's a bad argument which is disproven by your own meta on me.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1375 (isolation #57) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:37 am

In post 1373, Saudade wrote:
In post 1371, Battle Mage wrote:"I call it "the DK tell"
If someone that is typically unlikeable and not charismatic is suddenly charismatic and towny, they are scum. If you agree with everything they say and find them an absolute beacon of towniness, they are scum. Period."

wow, charming thanks. so your foolproof scum case is "BM is usually a big smelly jerk, and he's being nice and useful here. Let's kill him NOW"? The big flaw in the case is, your flattering assessment of my personality is...not AI. Or are you saying I'm unlikeable and not charismatic as town, but charismatic and friendly as scum?
to be fair I'm convinced and am willing to vote you sorry

lol no probs

Battle Mage · Post Post #1379 (isolation #58) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:39 am

In post 1363, Saudade wrote:jesus christ you just called battle mage unlikable and uncharismatic while wanting to eliminate him

i mean technically she said i'm normally a douchebag but here I'm being nice, but it doesn't matter I should be killed regardless.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1382 (isolation #59) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:39 am

In post 1377, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1371, Battle Mage wrote:wow, charming thanks. so your foolproof scum case is "BM is usually a big smelly jerk, and he's being nice and useful here. Let's kill him NOW"? The big flaw in the case is, your flattering assessment of my personality is...not AI. Or are you saying I'm unlikeable and not charismatic as town, but charismatic and friendly as scum?
no but if I always find town you an absolute scumbucket but think ur the towniest beacon of light here, you are most definitely scum here.

or you just improved at reading me....and then bottled it and started second guessing yourself?

Battle Mage · Post Post #1387 (isolation #60) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:41 am

In post 1380, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1261, Batsunami wrote:BM last time got miselimed for being absent, being scummy, he argued more, can't exactly remember all the details but he was met with suspicion pretty early and then mastina cased him into the grave.

This game shares the similarity of someone hard tunneling him convinced it's him, although this time it's because he's playing noticeably in a way that is a lot more towny and agreeable. It's not enough for a high scumread from me but i did notice the difference without Noraa pointing it out to me. BM is quite towny as scum -- I'm not really trying to say we should scumread him for playing protown, it's more just the vibes he gives off than anything else. We've yet to see whether or not he fits to playing with a town agenda or not, i just find the way he's presented himself so far interesting

~Bat
Okay, definitely something to think about. I just don’t want to see anyone get run up this early until I have a broader read on the gamestate but both you and Pyro are agreeing here, so something I probably shouldn’t ignore.

Nancy, can you please quickly summarise for me what the argument from Noraa is, in totality, for me being scum?

I'm assuming it's not purely this thing about me being nice?

Battle Mage · Post Post #1388 (isolation #61) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:41 am

In post 1384, Saudade wrote:BM if she's wrong, would you want her lynched the day after?

no, im pretty sure she's town

Battle Mage · Post Post #1389 (isolation #62) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:42 am

In post 1386, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1382, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1377, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1371, Battle Mage wrote:wow, charming thanks. so your foolproof scum case is "BM is usually a big smelly jerk, and he's being nice and useful here. Let's kill him NOW"? The big flaw in the case is, your flattering assessment of my personality is...not AI. Or are you saying I'm unlikeable and not charismatic as town, but charismatic and friendly as scum?
no but if I always find town you an absolute scumbucket but think ur the towniest beacon of light here, you are most definitely scum here.
or you just improved at reading me....and then bottled it and started second guessing yourself?
no. reads do not change like that.

alternatively, maybe i am just being townier than normal here...as town.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1391 (isolation #63) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:42 am

although in fairness im normally pretty townie

Battle Mage · Post Post #1395 (isolation #64) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:43 am

In post 1390, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1387, Battle Mage wrote:I'm assuming it's not purely this thing about me being nice?
good one.
But that tell has caught many scum before. it is something very big that is enough to make you more than confscum in my eyes. That is how accurate that tell is.

you're joking right...?

please actually tell me if that's it, or there's something else?

Battle Mage · Post Post #1406 (isolation #65) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:46 am

In post 1398, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1389, Battle Mage wrote:alternatively, maybe i am just being townier than normal here...as town.
No. This reeks of scum DK. Trying to explain to me why I find you townier is not the right response.

When I questioning DK, they told me "Nora have you ever considered character development"

No. things do not work like that. People do not change that drastically that fast.

Town do not explain to me. Town tell me "Noraa stop bullshitting"

Scum try to explain.

the first game we ever played, i spent ages trying to talk sense to you. i think you ended up being scum lol, but the idea that town never try and actually talk to you is false and you know it.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1409 (isolation #66) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:46 am

haha if Titus was my mum I hope she'd keep me the fk away from all of this.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1417 (isolation #67) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:48 am

Nancy

- Genuine question - do you actually put stock in Noraa's case on me which amounts to "BM is normally a jerk as town and scum, but he's being nice here so must be scum"? Because, honestly, I can't believe we're in a world where that is enough to get a day 1 elim, superseding your own townread on me - even without the testimony of others.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1419 (isolation #68) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:49 am

In post 1412, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1406, Battle Mage wrote:the first game we ever played, i spent ages trying to talk sense to you. i think you ended up being scum lol, but the idea that town never try and actually talk to you is false and you know it.
Town try to talk to me, yes. Town don't try to explain why they are acting scummy because they know they aren't. You have a guilty conscience.

i didn't "try to explain why i was acting scummy". I tried to point out why your bulletproof case didn't make sense.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1422 (isolation #69) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:50 am

In post 1415, clidd wrote:The only experience I have with scum!BM was in a newbie game where he played in a super inactive/scummy way, it was not difficult to catch him. I don't think he's a deepwolf when he's scum, unless his scumgame has improved since then or if that particular game was a point off the curve.

I am still inclined to think that he is town here.

I can play good as scum, although yeah sometimes i do stink up the joint. it's hit and miss.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1424 (isolation #70) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:51 am

In post 1421, Saudade wrote:can we move on from talking about battle mage, its anti town at this point

agreed, i'd actually like to do what i was expecting to do today which was find some scum rather than defend myself against a hopelessly weak case.

Battle Mage · Post Post #1429 (isolation #71) » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:53 am

noraa - i think i've responded to your case anyway, so i'm gonna move on unless there's anything else?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:00 am

In post 1365, Saudade wrote:What do you have to say in your defense Battle Mage?

think ive said it

In post 1364, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1253, Titus wrote:
In post 1248, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1246, Titus wrote:
In post 1244, Saudade wrote:Amazing deflection

You really think I picked someone who hates scum?
Lol this stump wifom is good. Momma bear realizes her precious baby BM is going under because Noraa is attacking him so she comes to discredit me. Good one.
You gotta deal with Nancy to get Battle Mage through. She's thinking Pooky v FL repeat.
Wow, we are actually in agreement on something. Someone hold me.

BM was run up N1 in that game, so yes I’m leery. Also because I was tr him yesterday and don’t really understand the srs on him.

yeah that's good stuff

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:01 am

In post 1308, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1223, Alisae wrote:Battle Mage --------- 5 ( Morty and Rick(62), Sherlock and Watson(98), Fey(77), Batsunami(216), 5uffering(43) ) F- 4
why were people saying BM was hammered

tbf, I would have bought it. Also, Fey is voting me? wha...?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:02 am

In post 1439, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1435, Saudade wrote:
In post 1434, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1432, Saudade wrote:with that being said i will absolutely sheep noraa here
do it for the memes. be an icon.
shut up and focus on other people already, we'll vote him in 5 days now just chill and contribute elsewhere
You promised me your vote and you better remember that but sure, if you want to talk about something else, then talk about something else. No one is stopping you and I haven't seen you talk about anything else.

in fairness to Saudade, you have spammed the thread with "vote BM, he is defo scum, trust" to the point it's difficult to engage beyond that.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:04 am

In post 1444, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1316, Pyro wrote:
In post 1296, Fey wrote:Does anyone know how much confidence each individual head of Batsunami could fake on a read like this, or how much emotion they could fake regarding being angry for people not biting?

In theory this feels towny to me and I think they do err towards town but something right now is pinging me about this, I think it is how they’re strong arming everyone and then saying they won’t get flipped? Even if Battle Mage is town. It is a LOT of confidence and I’m unsure if either of these players are ever like this...
I'm still really confident they're town. I think Morning is being in character by only leaning towards the read and having a healthy amount of doubt, while it's very in-character for Noraa to be super overconfident about specific reads as town.

I don't think they're ever scum with Battle Mage ftr and I don't understand 5uffering's read there at all.
+1

i think if im scum with noraa here, i probably dont have her as my top townread. and i probably lurk out because i'd be super pissed at being bussed so horribly

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:08 am

In post 1348, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1342, Battle Mage wrote:with the greatest respect to noraa, she does this sooner or later (generally sooner) in every game. she has mis-elimmed me for one reason or another in almost every game we played. i'm not gonna take any of it to heart!
nope don't brush it away like that. I have found you to be the biggest beacon of towniness in this game. I think you are the most charming townie ever but that just means that you are scum and the world is a lie.

it's odd that you don't trust yourself but demand that everyone trusts you.

In post 1321, 5uffering wrote:
In post 1315, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1306, 5uffering wrote:I wouldn't clear them on a scumflip, if anything I might even say it would make them look worse for me. This is a very direct scumread, and I know for the Noraa half fledgling confidence isn't outside of their range.
Did you just say that if BM flips scum, I am more likely to be scum?
Could you see bussing sure. Fey is right though, it would be unwise to judge you before a flip even happens. I just have some unresolved problems with you that I decide to write off for now, in favor of agreeing on Battle Mage.

this is pretty gross, I dig it for now (until i remember they are in my townpool)

VOTE: 5uffering

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:14 am

In post 1284, Starcrossed wrote:I don't TR BM yet, I think he's someone who gets easier to read as the game goes on.

thank goodness!

In post 1285, Pyro wrote:
In post 1280, Batsunami wrote:are you two going to engage me on the BM matter?
I agree that he feels more pockety and nice than he usually is. Happy with the wagon and look forward to seeing his reaction.

my reaction: initially incredulous, now more bemused. take that, nice-BM haters.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:17 am

In post 1012, Alisae wrote:
5uffering replaces Charlie and Snoopy

ah UNVOTE:

bloody hell, town is in rough shape. my entire townpool wants me dead.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:18 am

In post 1473, 5uffering wrote:
In post 1471, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1336, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1331, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1228, Titus wrote:
In post 1226, Batsunami wrote:Only E-4?
this is like the only wagon that I would be ok with flashwagoning asap.
If you want a BM elim, let the thread breathe.

P.S. Nancy I care more about thread health because I win by creating an enjoyable atmosphere without making content.
Titus is clearly trying to shield the REAL scum here, which I don’t think is BM.
your read is right, but it might not matter.
Help me find out who she’s shielding. I think you’re probably a miselim and specifically because of Pooky vs FL, I would prefer you not be the D1 wagon.
War and Peace and I'm willing to explain it.

Hot take, you and War and Peace are both town.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:31 am

In post 1199, Batsunami wrote:THANK YOU I LOVE YOU ALL PLEASE MAKE THIS WAGON GO THRU I WILL CRY IF HE SLIPS OUT OF MY GRASP

lol man this is not good

In post 1218, Morty and Rick wrote:I certainly like your vibes though, Not_Mafia impostor.

-Morty

not an impostor, just an admirer.

In post 1229, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1227, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Let’s not rush this people. I will consult with ALL of my masons/Miss Cleo and figure out the optimal fade. BM got miselimed last game, so how is he playing differently this time?
Unless BM is a mason, he is for sure scum Nancy. I promise you.

you realise running me up to -2 is a surefire way to confirm whether I'm a mason or not? how does that help again?

In post 1191, Fey wrote:
In post 1188, Sherlock and Watson wrote:I'll bite

VOTE: Battle Mage

-S
VOTE: Battle Mage

I’ll bite too, really hard!!

Fey, Sherlock and Watson - can you both talk me through the rationale for these votes?

In post 1189, Fey wrote:
In post 1154, 5uffering wrote:
In post 1099, Fey wrote:As for why I fell off, I did not have a great time as seen a night or two ago, and yesterday I was sick so I focused on myself rather than this game. I am busy currently but will be around tonight to resume figuring out the game!

For some very quick lightning reads: I have no opinion on Starcrossed when I believe that they should have made more of an impact on me so far.. they should be easier to identify as town, so the pressure on them is good! In fact, I will join this wagon. VOTE: Starcrossed

I am still thinking about 5uffering due to the slot and how it was earlier. I don’t think I would vote there today.

Also, can someone explain the scumreads? On Saudade for me please.
Some questions if it's worth your time.

I noted that you had a huge argument with Batsunami, even so much that you voted her around #245. How has your read on Batsunami developed and do you still hold her to that conversation? It's a slippery slope and I noted that you two worked out a form of apology, but since then you've mostly acted like it hasn't happened.

Did you read my catch-up wall? It's fine if you didn't. I don't mind reiterating anything I had said, so I would like to know what you think about War and Peace as well, who seemed to have caught your attention the most. Did you switch to Starcrossed just because it seemed like the people who were on it are townie?
I have ignored it if only because it seems best to leave unhappy things behind; I am not sold on the idea of them being obvtown but neither do I think they are worth a vote, and currently find their read on Battle Mage resonating with me; before I had a brief conversation about not worrying about a townblock as much with Battle Mage, and it was not entirely to do with the reads issue! I was beginning to find him scummier if only because he mirrors the feelings I’ve gotten from Ircher: diplomatically slippery. It was more of a pocket read kept close though if only because it seemed better to have him believe I trusted him — also, BM often is pushed or wagoned D1 and I didn’t want to fall prey to such biases unfairly against him..

ah this is interesting. yeah i think i'm still inclined to believe that you're town who just didn't get the hint. although your voting patterns haven't been great subsequently. You're downgraded to more of a townlean now I guess.

VOTE: sherlock and watson

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:34 am

In post 1490, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1387, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1380, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1261, Batsunami wrote:BM last time got miselimed for being absent, being scummy, he argued more, can't exactly remember all the details but he was met with suspicion pretty early and then mastina cased him into the grave.

This game shares the similarity of someone hard tunneling him convinced it's him, although this time it's because he's playing noticeably in a way that is a lot more towny and agreeable. It's not enough for a high scumread from me but i did notice the difference without Noraa pointing it out to me. BM is quite towny as scum -- I'm not really trying to say we should scumread him for playing protown, it's more just the vibes he gives off than anything else. We've yet to see whether or not he fits to playing with a town agenda or not, i just find the way he's presented himself so far interesting

~Bat
Okay, definitely something to think about. I just don’t want to see anyone get run up this early until I have a broader read on the gamestate but both you and Pyro are agreeing here, so something I probably shouldn’t ignore.
Nancy, can you please quickly summarise for me what the argument from Noraa is, in totality, for me being scum?

I'm assuming it's not purely this thing about me being nice?
That does seem to be her argument based off what she’s been saying in multiple posts. But you were very likeable in Pooky vs FL, so while the so-called “DK tell” may be based on valid reasoning, Pooky vs FL kind’ve debunks that as a good reason for sr you here.

I don't think the tell makes sense though (even aside from being wrong here). The 'DK tell' is like a half-baked meta argument. The strength of a meta argument is it looks at previous games for alignment indicative trends. the way the 'DK tell' has been applied here means it is explicitly NOT based on alignment indicative trends (namely, my personality/likeability has not previously been linked to my alignment). So I would say the reasoning is not valid, or at least the way it has been presented it bears no value.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:37 am

In post 1495, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1489, Pyro wrote:Tbh I was expecting more ridicule and frustration from Battle Mage
Haha i did mention to Noraa i expected him to mention how he expects me to be better than this or something along those lines, as he usually might. Not complaining though

~Bat

you didn't do anything though, so why would i say that? *shrug*

you're in a hydra with noraa - she is doing what noraa does, you are doing what you do. it's pretty much what i'd expect from you both.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:38 am

In post 1485, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1362, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1355, Saudade wrote:Battle Mage who is your #1 townread at the moment
noraa-MT and the Ircher hydra
Can you explain why W & P is your #1 tr along with Bats?

I can, but I don't think I should?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:42 am

In post 1487, 5uffering wrote:
In post 1479, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1473, 5uffering wrote:
In post 1471, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1336, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1331, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1228, Titus wrote:
In post 1226, Batsunami wrote:Only E-4?
this is like the only wagon that I would be ok with flashwagoning asap.
If you want a BM elim, let the thread breathe.

P.S. Nancy I care more about thread health because I win by creating an enjoyable atmosphere without making content.
Titus is clearly trying to shield the REAL scum here, which I don’t think is BM.
your read is right, but it might not matter.
Help me find out who she’s shielding. I think you’re probably a miselim and specifically because of Pooky vs FL, I would prefer you not be the D1 wagon.
War and Peace and I'm willing to explain it.
Hot take, you and War and Peace are both town.
Then? If you were the town stump here where who would you be voting and why.

i'm voting sherlock and watson i think.

In post 1496, Saudade wrote:why is nancy is so certain the town wont rebel against her wishes if she'll be a bad queen

sadly i dont trust town to follow the wisdom of the stump.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:43 am

In post 1504, Pyro wrote:You really should explain the War and Peace read

nah I don't think it's helpful to do so.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:44 am

In post 1510, Sherlock and Watson wrote:
In post 1508, Battle Mage wrote:i'm voting sherlock and watson i think.

You're not sure who you voted like 3 posts ago...?

-S

honestly, no. if the game ever slows down, ill go back and check

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:46 am

In post 1509, Sherlock and Watson wrote:I want to see if NoraaTweetie is right and I'm a little surprised you didn't respond to 405 in a meaningful way; you kinda stopped posting as soon as I jokeclaimed masons with you and then came back in 600 posts later with a nullread which seems pretty different than what I'd expect from your townplay

-S

yeah funny enough i wasnt amused by the "i'm a mason with X" stuff, and deliberately ignored it. it just ain't pro-town imo.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:48 am

In post 1520, Pyro wrote:
In post 325, Battle Mage wrote:I also feel like War and Peace could just be town. stick them in the townpile for today.
You can explain the reasoning at the time of this post at least, Battle Mage.

the reasoning hasn't changed since then, so that's the same answer.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:52 am

In post 1153, Toogeloo wrote:Battle Mage and Batsu wants me dead. Batsu wants to lim Battle Mage now and if Batsu is wrong, they can die tomorrow.

Hang on... I'm trying to find a flaw in this plan from my perspective.

oooh no bueno Toogeloo.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:52 am

In post 1526, Pyro wrote:
In post 1523, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1520, Pyro wrote:
In post 325, Battle Mage wrote:I also feel like War and Peace could just be town. stick them in the townpile for today.
You can explain the reasoning at the time of this post at least, Battle Mage.
the reasoning hasn't changed since then, so that's the same answer.
That's confusing to me for
reasons
.

happy to revisit this with you later

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:55 am

In post 1525, Sherlock and Watson wrote:
In post 1519, Battle Mage wrote:yeah funny enough i wasnt amused by the "i'm a mason with X" stuff, and deliberately ignored it. it just ain't pro-town imo.

okay but you get that vacating the game when I give you a gut town read for 600 posts doesn't make me feel more confident about that read? like if you had a problem with it, why not engage me? Taking it for 600 posts then complaining about it later is kinda ???

-S

i didnt have a problem with your gut town read. I didn't support any of the stuff where people claimed mason - I just think that stuff is too transparent and gives scum too much info on who actually is/isn't a mason. It's a topic best avoided entirely.

And me being absent was nothing to do with you. I went to sleep, then had a busy day at work. 600 posts in this game is like 4 hours.

My vote on you is for your unexplained vote on me...which you still haven't explained? Is this discussion meant to distract me from that?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:56 am

im working my way through backwards. i see most people who voted me are probtown, but assume there must be 1-2 scum in there! sherlock's was the first bad vote i saw.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:57 am

don't ask me why i read backwards. but to peel back the curtain a little, i also do it at work, with sometimes hilarious consequences.

super charismatic i know.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:59 am

tbh I'd be fine shafting Toogeloo today. and still somewhat sus of Pyro and Sherlock at present. my gut is italiano is fine.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:00 am

In post 1540, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1504, Pyro wrote:You really should explain the War and Peace read
Yes please.

Sorry but I'm going to decline. Doesn't benefit town to do so.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:08 am

In post 1542, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1500, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1495, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1489, Pyro wrote:Tbh I was expecting more ridicule and frustration from Battle Mage
Haha i did mention to Noraa i expected him to mention how he expects me to be better than this or something along those lines, as he usually might. Not complaining though

~Bat
you didn't do anything though, so why would i say that? *shrug*

you're in a hydra with noraa - she is doing what noraa does, you are doing what you do. it's pretty much what i'd expect from you both.
Well, fair enough. i didn't do much more than say there was merit to part of Mastina's case in the other game and you immediately accused me of being scum or bad. Here I said i think it's possible because i did notice a difference, you have a good scumgame, you're a good pick etc., but i'm not convinced.

but that was late in the day and it took like forever to get through mastina's wall so i suppose it can be a different beast. I'm not really gonna let it affect my read

yeah i thought you totally bad-faithed me in that game, but obviously i was wrong. maybe you're right i was just disappointed. I suppose the equivalent here would be if you told me you thought noraa's argument against me had merit. in which case, yes i guess i'd be disappointed (or surprised

). But I'm pretty ambivalent about your read on me here as in practice, your vote will largely be controlled by noraa based on activity levels/volume of posting.

this game could be pretty easy if my townreads actually worked together, but it hasn't panned out yet.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:09 am

I'm not at all sold on Saudade-scum. but I am very bought in to the idea that people should listen to the townstump.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:13 am

I don't think Saudade-scum does all of the following:

1. Makes a point of emphasising how bad the BM-wagon is, going against the vocal consensus.
2. U-turns immediately and agrees we should definitely elim BM today.
3. Actively tries to piss off the townstump for no reason.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:13 am

i'd like to ask everyone to be nice and respectful, but it'll just get me elimmed.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:17 am

In post 1565, Saudade wrote:I didnt do #1, its not a bad wagon its just that if the day ends too fast itll be terrible

it may have been accidental, but you did discredit the wagon. i think you're town either way, so won't shed blood over it.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:18 am

In post 1569, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1562, Battle Mage wrote:I don't think Saudade-scum does all of the following:

1. Makes a point of emphasising how bad the BM-wagon is, going against the vocal consensus.
2. U-turns immediately and agrees we should definitely elim BM today.
3. Actively tries to piss off the townstump for no reason.
Anyone who understands this setup understands that both stumps are informed in both similar and different ways.

yes, but what's your point?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:25 am

In post 1573, Sherlock and Watson wrote:
In post 1532, Battle Mage wrote:My vote on you is for your unexplained vote on me...which you still haven't explained? Is this discussion meant to distract me from that?

No, Noraa's early game reads tend to be very solid, she's very obviously town and your response to the push has not been all that good. I also feel like I should UNVOTE: VOTE: Battle Mage because accusing me of distracting you from answering your question when I'm literally discussing my read on you is nagl.

-S

Her vote is based on nothing even remotely credible, as i have explained and others have also commented on. And by her own admission, she has an abysmal record at reading me. The fact she is town is irrelevant and has been obvious since like page 3, and I'm wary of players pointing it out to score cheap points.

If this is the best you've got, I'll stick with my vote on you.

Otherwise, feel free to respond to the above, and talk me through specifically and in detail:

1. What about my response to the push was not good?
2. Why do you think her reasoning is logically sound?
3. Why you would give up your own reads for those of a player who admits they do not have good reads?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:27 am

yeah i'll roast Sherlock and Watson today - top scumread, followed by Toogeloo and Pyro (yes, I am seeing your lack of read-progression).

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:28 am

In post 1583, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1576, War and Peace wrote:saudade is the lowest of low hanging fruit

confrontational, nearly nonsensical voting

I'm too cynical to not think of it as a strategy
Trying to discredit the town stump especially on D1 is nagl. In the last game, Pooky actually had legitimate cause because he was super obvtown and FL kept sr him despite that but Saudade is calling me “average” when I literally keep explaining I know things. Like for example, Fey is never scum here but Mr. “Brilliant” is apparently disputing that despite not a single one of my trs sr her.

i got some scumreads for ya ^

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:32 am

Solid Town

Batsunami (Noraa + Morning Tweet)
War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97)
Fey
5uffering Charlie and Snoopy (Marcistar + Shadowslug)
Saudade

Townlean

ItalianoVD

Neutral

Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)
Morty and Rick (mastina + Auro)
SaraharaS
Dunnstral
Clidd

Scumlean

Gamma Emerald
Red Eye Knights (Aristophanes + Akarin) Rogue Squadron (Lunar Martian + Akarin) Rogue Squadron (Lunar Martian + Akarin)
Pyro

Likely Scum

Toogeloo
Sherlock and Watson (Krazy + PenguinPower)

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:36 am

In post 1587, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1584, Battle Mage wrote:yeah i'll roast Sherlock and Watson today - top scumread, followed by Toogeloo and Pyro (yes, I am seeing your lack of read-progression).
Why are they scum?

see below. their response to my question about their vote was weak as anything - they didn't defend their reasoning, just tried to double-down in a way that feigns being on the offensive, and all of this after they initially avoided my question (until i forced them to get back on track).

In post 1582, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1573, Sherlock and Watson wrote:
In post 1532, Battle Mage wrote:My vote on you is for your unexplained vote on me...which you still haven't explained? Is this discussion meant to distract me from that?

No, Noraa's early game reads tend to be very solid, she's very obviously town and your response to the push has not been all that good. I also feel like I should UNVOTE: VOTE: Battle Mage because accusing me of distracting you from answering your question when I'm literally discussing my read on you is nagl.

-S
Her vote is based on nothing even remotely credible, as i have explained and others have also commented on. And by her own admission, she has an abysmal record at reading me. The fact she is town is irrelevant and has been obvious since like page 3, and I'm wary of players pointing it out to score cheap points.

If this is the best you've got, I'll stick with my vote on you.

Otherwise, feel free to respond to the above, and talk me through specifically and in detail:

1. What about my response to the push was not good?
2. Why do you think her reasoning is logically sound?
3. Why you would give up your own reads for those of a player who admits they do not have good reads?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:36 am

In post 1594, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1590, Battle Mage wrote:
Solid Town

Batsunami (Noraa + Morning Tweet)
War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97)
Fey
5uffering Charlie and Snoopy (Marcistar + Shadowslug)
Saudade

Townlean

ItalianoVD

Neutral

Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)
Morty and Rick (mastina + Auro)
SaraharaS
Dunnstral
Clidd

Scumlean

Gamma Emerald
Red Eye Knights (Aristophanes + Akarin) Rogue Squadron (Lunar Martian + Akarin) Rogue Squadron (Lunar Martian + Akarin)
Pyro

Likely Scum

Toogeloo
Sherlock and Watson (Krazy + PenguinPower)
I don’t understand the S & W sr. Can you explain it?

yup 1595

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:39 am

In post 1598, Saudade wrote:Jesus Christ

hey saudade, wanna throw a curveball and sheep me onto sherlock and watson?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:40 am

In post 1602, Pyro wrote:Saudade being semi-antagonistic towards Nancy feels towny.

I'm glad you agree with me. do you also agree we should totally elim sherlock today?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:41 am

In post 1605, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1599, Sherlock and Watson wrote:Battle Mage is just Dunn in Titus vs Alisae

why do I have this effect on scum lmao

-S
I didn’t read that game. You need to explain it to me.

probably need to explain it to me too, if that's the best effort he has at a response to my previous post.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:42 am

In post 1610, Sherlock and Watson wrote:idk for some reason scum seem to like feel they need to push me/discredit me day 1 in these vs. games

probably because I already have *counts* NINE masons lmao

-S

i mean, you have to ask yourself, why would anyone NOT push you if you shoot out reads with no logic, then avoid the issue when challenged, and ultimately double down with no effort to defend your reasoning properly. regardless of your alignment, you're not doing yourself any favours.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:43 am

Nancy, any thoughts on my S&W read?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:46 am

In post 1618, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1616, Battle Mage wrote:Nancy, any thoughts on my S&W read?
I don’t understand why you have them at the bottom of your readslist.

bottom is scummiest...

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:47 am

think im done for the night

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:49 am

...i'll be back same time tomorrow for the re-run of today's festivities

is everyone just desperate to be a hero and nail BM-scum?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:56 am

In post 858, SaraharaS wrote:Hey! i'm Saraharas. Nice to meet everyone. I'm only a little intimidated.
I wanted to call my account Pyro
since that's what I use like... basically everywhere else, but it was taken so I had to go with this. If you google my name looking other accounts then ignore all the weird 'art' accounts and the tiktok. That's not my one

you guys seem to post a lot... 35 pages EEK... but i'll try to get through it as much as i can

curious about this...

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:58 am

In post 1628, Sherlock and Watson wrote:
In post 987, Titus wrote:I would never deliberately try to demoralize slots. Work up and get engaged sure. Demoralize no. There's a reason why I say watch your post count.

In post 1203, Titus wrote:Battle Mage a deep wolf? You think you catch my wolves easily day 1?
I feel like Titus is explaining she picked Battle Mage because she likes him rather than because she expected him to deep wolf, and also maybe because he tends to get misflipped as town?

That's just the vibe I'm getting from Titus this game

-S

genuinely, are you ever planning to respond to my questions? or is the plan to ignore them and just throw random shade and hyperbole?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:08 pm

In post 1639, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1465, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1348, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1342, Battle Mage wrote:with the greatest respect to noraa, she does this sooner or later (generally sooner) in every game. she has mis-elimmed me for one reason or another in almost every game we played. i'm not gonna take any of it to heart!
nope don't brush it away like that. I have found you to be the biggest beacon of towniness in this game. I think you are the most charming townie ever but that just means that you are scum and the world is a lie.
it's odd that you don't trust yourself but demand that everyone trusts you.
You just completely omitted the important part of what I said. Good job, scum you're literally obvious as hell.

lol clearly i'm not that obvious because you haven't been able to give 1 good reason for me being scum.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:10 pm

In post 1644, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1471, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Help me find out who she’s shielding. I think you’re probably a miselim and specifically because of Pooky vs FL, I would prefer you not be the D1 wagon.
No Nancy. Deepwolf potentials either die day 1 or become a deep wolf. We need to get rid of him day 1.
Look how much you like him and want to save him. Think about if there was a single person that wanted to save him in pookyvflava except pooky who has RL connections with him.
There were none. There is so much resistance to this wagon and he seems so so towny. Those are clear scum indicators.

don't get me wrong, i'm honestly flattered that you see BM-scum as such a dangerous threat on Day 1 of a large theme. but a deepwolf? i barely did anything and got wagonned for no reason. i'd say that's probably the shallowest wolfing you can get. you're just completely off track here dude.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:12 pm

In post 1648, Pyro wrote:Battle Mage's last two games:

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viewtopic.php?t=85321&f=11&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

They're both newbies, and he's town in both.

Honestly, the tone shift is really noticeable when you compare either of those ISOs to his posts start of this game. He's a lot more "understanding" and "friendly" here while he's harsher in those games.

I'm starting to buy more of what Batsunami is selling.

i mean, that isn't what she was selling, but how convenient

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:13 pm

In post 1654, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1481, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1360, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1357, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:Yes, I insist on having the FINAL say on who gets run up and rn, I’m leaning possible miselim on BM.
Nancy do you believe in me?
I believe you’re town and that you may possibly be tunneled.
I have used this tell three times. All three times I caught scum. I am tunneling BM but it is correct tunneling. Place your faith in me this one time and I promise you we'll get a very juicy info filled scum flip.

i mean it's probably an info filled flip because i assume there would have to be a few scum on that wagon, otherwise ya may as well throw the game to Titus

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:19 pm

In post 1650, Pyro wrote:Any reason for change of approach entering this game, Battle Mage?

i actually answered this earlier. noraa railed on me after for AtE or something. I wouldn't say it's a change of approach overall, across all setups. each game is different - there are examples of games where i have started with an intention of being very chill. it's not AI, it's just personality and mood driven i guess. in this game i was quite happy at the start because i got to play from the beginning unlike the last one, and it is my first large theme in a while, and i was hoping i could do better than last game.

admittedly some of that shine has worn off a bit with the likes of noraa and sherlock campaigning on "BM is scum, notwithstanding I can't think of a good reason why". I try, but it's pretty hard to engage without anything substantial to talk about.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:20 pm

In post 1659, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1655, Battle Mage wrote:i mean, that isn't what she was selling, but how convenient
Yeah it was. I am selling tone and pyro is selling tone. You got a problem?

your problem not mine!

be real - you took a look at the playerlist and thought it'd be fun to run BM up again right?

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:22 pm

In post 1661, Batsunami wrote:
In post 1493, Battle Mage wrote:ou realise running me up to -2 is a surefire way to confirm whether I'm a mason or not? how does that help again?
if you are a mason which I won't believe unless Nancy herself confirms it, you have played really really weirdly but I'll tip my hat to Nancy for picking the scummiest slots I guess and also you need to be outed otherwise I will legitimately tunnel you forever because you are the scummiest person to exist in this game and I am using a tell that I have 100% confidence in.

noraa, i've played fine. you said yourself, your case on me is because i've played really well and been obvtown. it's not my fault you've taken that to an illogical extreme conclusion where I'm actually scum and it's all a big conspiracy.

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:25 pm

i'm done. sorry but i really don't have the patience for another game like this where I try really hard and just get bombarded with nothingness and ultimately mis-elimmed for no good reason. someone else will do better in the slot. have fun all! <3

Battle Mage · Wed Feb 17, 2021 12:27 pm

In post 1670, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1620, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 1618, Nancy Drew 39 wrote:
In post 1616, Battle Mage wrote:Nancy, any thoughts on my S&W read?
I don’t understand why you have them at the bottom of your readslist.
bottom is scummiest...
That doesn’t even remotely answer my question.

you asked why i had that read on them, i answered. *shrug*