Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[House]

Let me ask... do y'all really want to waste brainpower trying to sort me?

[House]

Apparently the stump needs to come up with town power roles too? Should we discuss that now?

A role.

I'm thinking either weak hider or bulletproof.

Weak Hider is better than cop, but a little trickier to play.

Bulletproof is usually a scummy claim to make, but if claimed on D1 in an open game it gives us confirmed town that mafia can't touch.

[House]

You all need to step up your game activity-wise, make me a stump as an active contributor

How many people pay as much as i?

[House]

the best point for making NM the stump is no quickhammers

I'm sad that you forgot about me already.

[House]

VOTE: House

I'm the guy that won't hesitate to self-sacrifice to help town win.

Everybody here knows NM can't make that claim.

Elect me, and I'll pull that trigger when and if the time comes.

[House]

I didn’t know that was your MO.

I've dropped quite a few for the lulz.

It's especially hilarious to do it as scum and not get lynched because I have a history of doing it as town.

[House]

I mean, I've hammered town reads before because I accept the fact that my reads aren't flawless, but sure.

[House]

Yeah, but I don't want NM as a stump if I'm not because he's one of very few that can sort me... historically speaking, of course.

[House]

VOTE: NSG

Boring!

What he said, but for a different reason.

[House]

I mean, I don't really care about rolling scum. I'm using the two stumps as players I don't wanna have to sort if I roll town, and players who I'd have to nk if I rolled scum.
I've already stated I will submit vigilante mason though.

~ Kori

A role that is normal like but belongs to two players (a masonry with a shared vig shot, for example) is not a single normal role and is thus not an eligible submission.

[House]

Okie.

What does everyone else think? Since roles aren't assigned yet, I think this is a great opportunity to collaborate on the roles for the tree stumps to submit

[House]

Another great combo is Weak Hider + Doctor

Hider claims d1 and announces his target before night, doctor stays hidden and protects the target.

Follow the cop.

[House]

Okie.

What does everyone else think? Since roles aren't assigned yet, I think this is a great opportunity to collaborate on the roles for the tree stumps to submit

The only problem I see with this however is that scum know what to be looking for in terms of crumbs, and then scum know more or less the exact setup.
I'm only sharing one of my ideas for a pick.

No different from any open setup, really.

If the roles are sufficiently strong, scum knowing what they are isn't much of a benefit.

[House]

Yea, but we don't know what the scum have in return.

In the case of the setup I mentioned, it doesn't really matter what they have.

Scum can't play with Hider results, and Hider can't be killed unless it targets non-town.

Then we lynch the scum.

[House]

I can think of like, 2 counters for Weak Hider + Doctor, and there's probably more

Maybe with a d1 claim, but not after they have a couple nights of results crumbed.

Then they're stuck playing catch up with their NK's.

[House]

pretty sure a strongman targeting a hider just kills them

When did that change?

[House]

Alternative, we make town very low powered so scum becomes low powered

Mountainous?

[House]

Alternative, we make town very low powered so scum becomes low powered

Mountainous?

mountainous is scumsided unless we get to like 17v3 or something
i know 11v2 is like a 39% winrate for town

~vv

This game can't be true mountainous by virtue of the 2 stumps anyway, so those stats aren't exactly relevant.

[House]

Also, the game would stop being mountainous for town with 1 stump blowing out, so there's that.

[House]

I wonder if Bus Driver resolves before or after Hider.

That could be annoying, too.

[House]

What do we think of mass target/results claims for roles with useful info in case a pr is killed before they can out publicly?

[House]

(ie, Everyone posting "my (role) result is..." whether they are that role or not)

[House]

Stupid question... is "scumputer" an actual thing?

Followup: if it is... what exactly is it?

[House]

this is just a personal curiosity—where do you see conflicting information on the wiki?

It depends on whether the Hider is being treated as bulletproof or commuted.

The flavor of the role suggests commuted (they're hiding, so they're away from home), but it's apparently treated by some as simple bp.

[House]

Y'all boring

Whining about people being boring is boring.

Like this post, for example.

[House]

Im gonna vote NM out of spite if yall keep bullying him

If you do, I'll vote nsg.

[House]

Turns out, I'm spiteful too.

Who knew?

[House]

but you might get NKed :/

Unlikely. I'm usually a miselimination candidate.

By who, newbies?

[House]

Wait, does NM actually play the game now??

[House]

I think the stumps should be nsg & Mia hydra.

[House]

VOTE: northsidegal

S-1

[House]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

[House]

... and definitely no hydras because hydras are nearly always easy to read.

Readability isn't the only concern about stump selection, to me.

Skilled scumhunters that can be trusted is a powerful weapon for town, IMHO.

My only interest in being stumped was to be the sacrificial lamb. Skill trumps sacrifice... and y'all will have to put up with me longer as a player than a stump.

[House]

What nancy and I bring to the table is continued thread WIM - which is a key component of town wins.
I dont think anyone else at this table are the types to push activity when there is none.

I'd be cool with seeing you as a stump, personally. I'm just rolling with Titus because I trust her opinion when I know she's not scum, lol.

IMHO, this selection should be between your hydra and DGB.

[House]

Before this game starts, please allow me to acknowledge that I have been... problematic at times, to put it charitably, and I give you all my word that those days are behind me.

I've worked hard to return to this community because I enjoy not only the game, but also the people here. The last thing I want to do is upset anyone.

[House]

Titus self disqualified themselves from stump status

Apologies, by "rolling with", I meant "voting with".

Sorry I wasn't more clear.

[House]

DGB, it's not scummy to vote yourself until D1.

[House]

DGB, it's not scummy to vote yourself until D1.

I really don’t understand why people are voting people who have expressed no interest in being stump. Shouldn’t actually wanting to be a stump be a prerequisite?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but...

I have a weird sexual fetish about treestumping in mafia games. Indulge me.

The last time I was forcibly held in a mental institution for 72 hours observation, I was release with a prescription to treestump.

It's for medical reasons.

As tree stump, I can run the scumputer ALL GAME LONG!!!!!

As tree stump, I can run the scumputer ALL GAME LONG!!!!!

DGB+N_M 4 stumpz

This would be an epic team.

I think DGB is.

[House]

I already told you why I made my vote.

I have no clue what DGB is up to. I'm not in her head.

[House]

so NM be honest

if / when you're a stump, your very first post is going to be exiting the game, right

how could you call yourself a true troll if it wasn't

I think this is the best bet. I wouldn't expect the exit to be the first post, but an exit at some point would make town stump more powerful.

VOTE: NM

If that's your logic, you should be voting me.

VOTE: House

I'm the guy that won't hesitate to self-sacrifice to help town win.

Everybody here knows NM can't make that claim.

Elect me, and I'll pull that trigger when and if the time comes.

My only interest in being stumped was to be the sacrificial lamb.

[House]

VOTE: Fey siblings

[House]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
Plz not Not_Mafia. They're like the least convincing player in existence, there is literally nothing to gain from stumping them other than bad memes.

Precisely this.

[House]

Assuming they're even going to play seriously.

Please hammer the Feys.

[House]

A vote is not the deciding factor that mastina is claiming. Pressure is.

An immortal town scumhunter with the ability to constantly influence votes is much more beneficial than a single vote that can be killed off.

[House]

Also if i get stumped i will add an compulsive-night 1-Not_Mafia-targeting-strongman to the game.

Strongman isn't a role, it's a modifier... so unless you add "vig" or some other killing role, it won't have any effect.

[House]

Also if i get stumped i will add an compulsive-night 1-Not_Mafia-targeting-strongman to the game.

Strongman isn't a role, it's a modifier... so unless you add "vig" or some other killing role, it won't have any effect.

I know it was a joke.

Please hammer the Feys.

[House]

Fine
Just get this out of the way
VOTE: feys

+1 beer

[House]

I believe it is.

[House]

A commuter would be nice, though.

[House]

A vote is not the deciding factor that mastina is claiming. Pressure is. An immortal town scumhunter with the ability to constantly influence votes is much more beneficial than a single vote that can be killed off.

And I am arguing that an immortal town scumhunter who lacks votes innately inherently has less ability to influence votes and generate pressure than a town scumhunter who has a vote, especially when that player is a pressure/high-aggro style player.

Constant influence might be constant, but it is something that generates a different aura. There is a big difference between influence without a vote and influence with a vote.

There is also a big difference between pressure with a vote and pressure without a vote.

I am also arguing that forcing scum to kill players whose votes are a threat is a feature not a flaw, and that treestumping said players is doing the scum a favor by removing the votes they would be most afraid of.

Your concern is negated by the fact that players who know a skilled scumhunter is confirmed town are much more likely to sheep their push which gives the immortal voteless player multiple votes.

[House]

I'll choose VT just so yall focus on dayplay

The vibes on this post are disgusting.

Fey hydra is sus.

[House]

I'll choose VT just so yall focus on dayplay

The vibes on this post are disgusting.

Fey hydra is sus.

Hello? None of us even have role pms ffs.

[House]

Oh sorry then.

Don't sweat it.

It's not like I'm frequently sarcastic, or anything.

[House]

Oh sorry then.

Don't sweat it.

It's not like I'm frequently sarcastic, or anything.

I frequently miss sarcasm and have actually gotten wrongly pushed for that. “Like you didn’t instantaneously get the joke, clearly you’re not of the allignment known as town”.

Not kidding either.

No no, I get it.

Been there, done that.

[House]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

[House]

VOTE: Free Money Free Tea

I believe in neither of these things.

[House]

For future reference, 451 is interesting.

[House]

For future reference, 451 is interesting.

I disagree

For future reference, N_M in uninteresting.

[House]

In other news, IC is a weird selection for a power role.

I'd say it's potentially much worse than Mason.

[House]

It makes sense with the stumps, we have 3 conftown voices

One of which can likely be Strongman killedeven with a doctor, if it exists.

[House]

It makes sense with the stumps, we have 3 conftown voices

One of which can likely be Strongman killedeven with a doctor, if it exists.

Scum.

Shade without a vote is sus.

Like, please do not at any point question decisions that the stumps may or may not have made with regards to power roles, as getting them to defend those choices is akin to rolefishing

Town.

How brown is your nose right now?

[House]

VOTE: House

Serious vote

Took you long enough.

[House]

Oh, mistake on the author of the post.

My bad.

[House]

[House]

I feel threatened.

I'm a bulletproof, supersaint Mason.

[House]

Good thing there's no vest to protect you from bad euphemisms.

People stopped caring about my feelings enough to use euphemisms decades ago.

[House]

I like VOTE: NK15 better.

What's up with disparaging you for doing something with what little content there is though?

How do you know I'm doing something as town?

I don't need to know your alignment to push someone based on their behaviour in regard to you, particularly at this stage of the game

Where's the push?

I just see an impotent vote and some half-hearted shade.

[House]

But on another note you seem to REALLY want to make it clear that you are feeling 0 pressure from me here, particularly for someone who is apparently not feeling any pressure from me here

You've clearly made me nervous enough to post a claim.

[House]

I mean, you can keep sarcastically brushing it off all you like

The amount of attention you're giving this is telling

Exactly what people do as scum.

Attract attention.

Your logic is undeniable.

[House]

It's unfortunate that you're not familiar with my playstyle


I'm the kind of guy that will have 1k posts in a game regardless of alignment.

If you think I am subtle as either, you're barking up the wrong tree.

[House]

I don't think your failed attempt to act towny in response to a vote is anything to do with your playstyle, and I've never accused you of being subtle

As someone who has never "acted towny" in my life, it's not the damning critique you obviously think it is.

[House]

Come to think of it, I'm a bigger threat to town staying alive to endgame than being mislynched early, as I tend to vote flailing town in Mylo.

In all fairness, that's something to keep in mind.

[House]

mastina has gone straight in to her scum meta with her opening post.

I'll admit I was a little surprised at her first vote being on me.

She can usually tell in town before almost anyone else and has derailed my wagons in the past.

mastina, why am I scum?

[House]

mastina has gone straight in to her scum meta with her opening post.

I'll admit I was a little surprised at her first vote being on me.

She can usually tell I'm town before almost anyone else and has derailed my wagons in the past.

mastina, why am I scum?

Edit

[House]

VOTE: jjh
You need to relax my guy. We get it, you're showing you're scumhunting.

I think mastina is more likely to be scum than jjh.

jjh strikes me more as ambitious but misguided town. mastina seems scummier.

[House]

By comparison House was effectively discouraging content in a way that I saw as slightly scum indicative. What followed has been increasingly scum indicative.

[House]

VOTE: Mia and Maya Fey

Did my role pm magically change?

[House]

jjh, i asked you already, what do you hate about our posts?
Is it the fact nancy beat your scumteam just recently and you thought calling her illogical in this pregame was a good idea while she was kicking your ass?

Do you think he would pivot off a push he was clearly invested in to toss on a relatively unsupported vote on someone else as scum?

[House]

jjh, i asked you already, what do you hate about our posts?
Is it the fact nancy beat your scumteam just recently and you thought calling her illogical in this pregame was a good idea while she was kicking your ass?

Do you think he would pivot off a push he was clearly invested in to toss on a relatively unsupported vote on someone else as scum?

I have no idea, never played with this dude. But it looks like threat assessment to me rather than actual sorting.

Considering my 454, I guess I can see that.

[House]

Are readlists usually produced this early for you mastina?

Yes, and I'm dead serious about this:

VOTE: Mia and Maya Fey

It's still possible that they are town for one simple reason. (A reason I'm not sharing right now.) But I actually legit think they're scum.

Why am I scum?

[House]

mastina, why am I scum?

I'm not sure you are, but you aren't feeling town to me and jjh was voting you and jjh is town here so it was the best vote I could think of.

It's also been literally years since we played together and I don't recall you being a player I could soulread even when we did play together. So I'm both a bit skeptical that I could read you well and even if I could I'm sure that ability has long since left me.

That said, I don't exactly have you as lockscum; there's a very good chance that if you're town it'll show through eventually.

It's just that right now I'm not seeing it.

Nah, I'm not buying that for one simple reason.

Our first game together, you called me town out of nowhere when I was being wagoned and sold it. You're townread of me was based on a lack of scum notice in my incredibly scummy playstyle. You had zero history with me.

That's what so impressed me about your skill. It's very rare to find a player that hunts for motive instead of pigeon-holing actions as "scummy" or "towny".

I'm not seeing that here, and it makes me sad.

[House]

mastina, why am I scum?

I'm not sure you are, but you aren't feeling town to me and jjh was voting you and jjh is town here so it was the best vote I could think of.

It's also been literally years since we played together and I don't recall you being a player I could soulread even when we did play together. So I'm both a bit skeptical that I could read you well and even if I could I'm sure that ability has long since left me.

That said, I don't exactly have you as lockscum; there's a very good chance that if you're town it'll show through eventually.

It's just that right now I'm not seeing it.

Nah, I'm not buying that for one simple reason.

Our first game together, you called me town out of nowhere when I was being wagoned and sold it. Your townread of me was based on a lack of scum motive in my incredibly scummy playstyle. You had zero history with me.

That's what so impressed me about your skill. It's very rare to find a player that hunts for motive instead of pigeon-holing actions as "scummy" or "towny".

I'm not seeing that here, and it makes me sad.

Edit: fu autocorrect

[House]

Nah, I'm not buying that for one simple reason.

Our first game together, you called me town out of nowhere when I was being wagoned and sold it. You're townread of me was based on a lack of scum notice in my incredibly scummy playstyle. You had zero history with me.

That's what so impressed me about your skill. It's very rare to find a player that hunts for motive instead of pigeon-holing actions as "scummy" or "towny".

I'm not seeing that here, and it makes me sad.

do you think that mastina has "pigeon-holed" you as being scummy or towny? she was pretty clear in the motivation behind her vote on you.

I never claimed nor implied mastina pigeon-holed anyone or anything.

Try again.

[House]

Try again.

Are you seriously shading confirmed town? Try again is like egging on scum to shade you.

I don't think scum would be this reckless. Though you have good associatives with Fey.

What the actual fuck are you even talking about?

[House]

if you'll excuse my saying, i think the "try again" is a little overly passive aggressive here given that you know that i'm town, and given that i wasn't saying anything about what you said, i was literally asking if that was what you were saying. just saying "no, that wasn't what i meant" would be enough.

so, to continue asking: what aspect of mastina's play that you recognized before do you think you aren't seeing here, and where is it manifested?

"Try again" means just that. If you're going to push me, try a different tackle.

There's nothing passive aggressive about it. Your question was simply a dead-end.

so, to continue answering: it's not that I expected mastina to WK me, but piling onto me after a handful of posts that have zero scum motivation behind them simply because I'm not "towny" is something I've only seen come from scum!mastina. That said, my meta with her is ancient, which is why I'm being hesitant on pushing her based solely on that.

I AM sus af, though.

[House]

if you'll excuse my saying, i think the "try again" is a little overly passive aggressive here given that you know that i'm town, and given that i wasn't saying anything about what you said, i was literally asking if that was what you were saying. just saying "no, that wasn't what i meant" would be enough.

so, to continue asking: what aspect of mastina's play that you recognized before do you think you aren't seeing here, and where is it manifested?

"Try again" means just that. If you're going to push me, try a different tack.

There's nothing passive aggressive about it. Your question was simply a dead-end.

so, to continue answering: it's not that I expected mastina to WK me, but piling onto me after a handful of posts that have zero scum motivation behind them simply because I'm not "towny" is something I've only seen come from scum!mastina. That said, my meta with her is ancient, which is why I'm being hesitant on pushing her based solely on that.

I AM sus af, though.

Sigh. Edit.

[House]

Why am I scum?

Strangely enough.

I actually think that this might make House town.

I'm not

sure

, but I THINK it's town from him. Not enough to locktown him but enough to move him out of scum for sure.

DrippingGoofball
jjh927
Moongrass

Not_Mafia

House

cyrus62/KorVex
Gamma Emerald
Titus
nomnomnom


Free Money Free Tea
Not Known 15
Mia and Maya Fey (NancyDrew/DKKoba Hydra)

Locktown, townread, lean town, null, various shades of south of null.

Why am I lean town, now?

[House]

Derp. Nvm mastina.

[House]

Like, please do not at any point question decisions that the stumps may or may not have made with regards to power roles, as getting them to defend those choices is akin to rolefishing

This is a valid statement

Considering it was about a role that was already outed, I kinda disagree on that.

Posts that I consider "proper play scolding" lean scum to me because it's an easy way to appear town without actually contributing to the game. That said, he changed my mind later on by actively contributing to the game.

[House]

I'm not super impressed with Gamma, rn.

[House]

I am the opposite

Gamma looks very much town

Yeah. A lot of people equivocation activity with town and he flew in and popped out a lot of posts at one time... without actually giving us anything to chew on.

There's no meat on all those bones.

[House]

I am the opposite

Gamma looks very much town

Yeah. A lot of people equivocate activity with town and he flew in and popped out a lot of posts at one time... without actually giving us anything to chew on.

There's no meat on all those bones.

Edit.

[House]

I feel like 75% of my ability to read people comes from interacting with them
So like, if you’re concerned I haven’t expressed much of value, why not start a conversation?

You haven't said anything worth discussing.

Refer to above post.

[House]

OK.

[House]

"Who cares to".

You've obviously not touched on anything I've cared about.

In fact, it looks like you've gone out of your way to evade the interaction between jjh & I, as well as my opinion of mastina.

Of look, your leg got swept out from under you.

[House]

And you ignore 2 examples I've already given in response to the question before you've even asked it.

[House]

Oh what the Hell, have some OMGUS with a side of raisins.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[House]

What do you think of the Fey hydra, House

I'm not familiar enough with the players, especially koba, to have an opinion on them this early.

Also, we haven't directly interacted, so they're not really on my radar, yet.

It's been years since I've played on this site, so as a refresher I'll remind you that a lot of my interactions come from how people talk to or about me because I know my allotment but not others', and how we interact can leak whether they know mine.

[House]

alignment *

[House]

What do you think of the Fey hydra, House

I'm not familiar enough with the players, especially koba, to have an opinion on them this early.

Also, we haven't directly interacted, so they're not really on my radar, yet.

It's been years since I've played on this site, so as a refresher I'll remind you that a lot of my reads come from how people talk to or about me because I know my alignment but not others', and how we interact can leak whether they know mine.

Geez. Atrocious post fixed.

[House]

Oh, I should mention...

I'm going to have an even harder time than usual trying to get a grasp on a read of Titus.

There are certain things I look for in my interactions with Titus, but given my recent return to the site as well as my reason for leaving, I can't really rely on meta because things will take time to return to any sort of equilibrium between us as I need to prove myself as not being the toxic piece of shit I used to be.

So, whereas I would look for Titus to butt heads with me as town and soft defend me as scum (until she decided to hard push me, lol), none of that is valid anymore.

That, on top of my natural aversion to scumreading her, will make this game difficult for me to vote for her should she be scum.

[House]

Oh, I should mention...

I'm going to have an even harder time than usual trying to get a grasp on a read of Titus.

There are certain things I look for in my interactions with Titus, but given my recent return to the site as well as my reason for leaving, I can't really rely on meta because things will take time to return to any sort of equilibrium between us as I need to prove myself as not being the toxic piece of shit I used to be.

So, whereas I would look for Titus to butt heads with me as town and soft defend me as scum (until she decided to hard push me, lol), none of that is valid anymore.

That, on top of my natural aversion to scumreading her, will make this game difficult for me to vote for her should she be scum.

Your meta is frankly outdated as shit anyway. I got divorced since you got banned and it changed my personality a lot.

I still find meta trash though.

No need to butter me up. It's nearly impossible for me to vote for you as it is.

[House]

I don't exactly see how you progressed to TRing jjh as you stated you had.

Of course you don't.

You also don't see how I began scumreading him in the first place, because I never claimed to do so. I simply stated a post was "interesting".

jjh going on the offensive right after that looked sus, and made me wonder if it was a case of guilty conscience (attack before being attacked).

Then mastina piled on, which looked kind of odd for reasons already mentioned, and I highly doubt they'd be scum together because that would be highly ballsy so if the 2 I suspected mastina more and helped adjust my perspective on jjh.

Complete "real time" transparency on reads can alter behavior, and all of this happened pretty quickly, so idk what you're so bent over.

[House]

when pressed about it you denied the idea that she was pigeon-holing posts as certain alignments

Go back and read that interaction again, because you've misunderstood it.

Or you're twisting posts.

I guess we'll see after you refresh your memory.

[House]

Nah, I'm not buying that for one simple reason.

Our first game together, you called me town out of nowhere when I was being wagoned and sold it. You're townread of me was based on a lack of scum notice in my incredibly scummy playstyle. You had zero history with me.

That's what so impressed me about your skill. It's very rare to find a player that hunts for motive instead of pigeon-holing actions as "scummy" or "towny".

I'm not seeing that here, and it makes me sad.

do you think that mastina has "pigeon-holed" you as being scummy or towny? she was pretty clear in the motivation behind her vote on you.

I never claimed nor implied mastina pigeon-holed anyone or anything.

Try again.

Is it wrong to conclude from this post that you didn't believe she was doing that? Or are you just rules-lawyering by saying you never said anything to indicate you felt she was doing that?

The conclusion you should have drawn is the one I stated: she did not appear to be looking past actions for the underlying motives.

And if you're suspecting me of rules-lawyering, report it the mods and I'll be out of your hair permanently.

Don't attempt to intimidate me.

[House]

There's plenty of better content to analyse now

Like, I was the one pushing you and it didn't really help me to place you so I can't see it being much good to anyone else

Maybe because I don't take pushes that are based on nothing very seriously.

[House]

I'm not saying you're rules-lawyering in terms of site rules, I mean it in the sense you didn't actually speak that thought out so while you felt that way, when asked a question that assumed it, you responded by challenging the assumption.
And again, if she's not doing that then what would you say she IS doing? I'm not looking for what you don't see from mastina, I'm looking for what you do see.

Don't presume to know what I'm thinking.

This includes what I believe.

My thought processes operate very differently from most people. Just because you think I should think something, doesn't mean I do. Just because you think I don't believe something, doesn't mean I don't.

You can't accurately equivocate everyone else's logic system to your own

[House]

And... I'm looking for what I don't yet see.

[House]

What I see right now is not what I'm looking for.

[House]

I've missed this.

[House]

Oh what the Hell, have some OMGUS with a side of raisins.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Can you two cut it out? Thanks.

That will be difficult. I'm a contrarian by nature.

[House]

And now for something completely different...

VOTE: Not Known 15

*popcorn*

[House]

What I see right now is not what I'm looking for.

That's a negative statement about what you're seeing. If possible, express it as a positive.

I'm positive that I haven't yet seen what I'm looking for.

[House]

What I see right now is not what I'm looking for.

That's a negative statement about what you're seeing. If possible, express it as a positive.

All jokes aside 592 is what you get as a response to your question, which was already said a while back and why I'm not talking the question seriously.

[House]

Koba’s obviously trolling all of you because they’re probably frustrated with how this is going.

I can see it now if we don’t get stumped. Scum will kill all the slots who aren’t terrible at reading me and try to run us up.

I bet on it.

Who did they kill?

[House]

I'm not partial to the Fey wagon.

Anything else fun going on?

[House]

I feel threatened.

I'm a bulletproof, supersaint Mason.

Is this for real? Norwee how could you not make me a mason?

Are you seriously asking if I was legitimately threatened by a single vote on "page 2" of D1?

[House]

So if you're trying to clue me into a post that already exists, be direct about it, don't play games and lead me around in circles.

I just don't think your question was genuine, since it was answered before you asked it.

[House]

Question... why do people use nia instead of nai?

[House]

VOTE: jjh
You need to relax my guy. We get it, you're showing you're scumhunting.

I think mastina is more likely to be scum than jjh.

jjh strikes me more as ambitious but misguided town. mastina seems scummier.

The readslist thing is totally nai for her and I’ve seen jjh tryhard as both alignments.

What makes you think my post was based on her reads list?

[House]

So if you're trying to clue me into a post that already exists, be direct about it, don't play games and lead me around in circles.

I just don't think your question was genuine, since it was answered before you asked it.

I tend to miss the forest for the forest sometimes
(idk what that would mean in any way or form, I just think it potentially resembles the idea I'm aiming for)

Have you tried taking in fewer trees at a time?

[House]

So if you're trying to clue me into a post that already exists, be direct about it, don't play games and lead me around in circles.

I just don't think your question was genuine, since it was answered before you asked it.

I tend to miss the forest for the forest sometimes
(idk what that would mean in any way or form, I just think it potentially resembles the idea I'm aiming for)

Have you tried taking in fewer trees at a time?

I'm not that type of guy but I appreciate the joke

I don't think we were on the same page, there.

[House]

I've listened to enough rap to know what you probably mean by "trees"

See? There you go making assumptions again!

I was suggesting processing fewer posts at a time instead of taking in the whole thread at once.

[House]

I've listened to enough rap to know what you probably mean by "trees"

See? There you go making assumptions again!

I was suggesting processing fewer posts at a time instead of taking in the whole thread at once.

Ah
how exactly would that work?

It's easy to feel the need to catch up when you're coming back to a ton of content, but maybe try reading half a dozen posts, take a few minutes to marinate in the content, and then move on to the next batch.

That's what I'll be doing when I get off work tomorrow.

That won't work when hammer is imminent, of course... but such is not really a concern at times like this.

[House]

I'll just drop that scum think I'm an easy push in games because I am very aggressive and have an unorthodox playstyle. I would surely hope that isn't any of you trying to shade me right now.

How is this not screaming scum to you NSG? Lol. It's actually kind of sad.

They’re usually this aggressive so i suggest giving their hydra some space.

I'm with Norwe on this.

Not interested in a Fey whatever right now.

[House]

fyi moon if I figure out who you are I won't out it unless you say it's okay
I had someone I used to play this type of game with a lot before they revealed themselves as a horrible person

Hey...!

[House]

I've listened to enough rap to know what you probably mean by "trees"

See? There you go making assumptions again!

I was suggesting processing fewer posts at a time instead of taking in the whole thread at once.

Ah
how exactly would that work?

It's easy to feel the need to catch up when you're coming back to a ton of content, but maybe try reading half a dozen posts, take a few minutes to marinate in the content, and then move on to the next batch.

That's what I'll be doing when I get off work tomorrow.

That won't work when hammer is imminent, of course... but such is not really a concern at times like this.

That feels completely foreign to me, I'm not gonna lie
Like, if I'm taking time off while reading up it's usually because I'm doing something else, either mafia related or not. Typically my time to marinate on game events is when I'm not directly playing at the moment.

But can you see how rushing through makes it possible to miss stuff?

[House]

fyi moon if I figure out who you are I won't out it unless you say it's okay
I had someone I used to play this type of game with a lot before they revealed themselves as a horrible person

Hey...!

IT WASN'T YOU
I didn't even realize you were on alts pretty much ever during that span
speaking of which will you go back to using those alts at some point, or are you abandoning them as days gone by? I kinda liked Grey

At this point, I consider them a thing of the past in order to avoid any appearance of impropriety.

Once I've redeemed myself, we'll see.

[House]

There’s at least one scum, possibly two voting us. I think Mastina’s vote on us is the most suspicious, so I’m good with that. Town!her would insist that we hold off voting us until I get a chance to post, so her jumping on our wagon as the sweet scum spot 4th slot without waiting for me to post is strongly scum indicative.

VOTE: mastina

[House]

I mean you can act as indignant as you want, but really look at the opening of your other head, it would have been scummiest not to vote you imo.

Koba isn’t readable but you, jjh and Mastina know that I am.

So no, you don’t get a get out of a sr read free card for this. My eye is still on you. Don’t think you unvoting us with a threat is going to get me to tr you here.

I think things will be very interesting when one of you flip.

[House]

I think things will be very interesting when one of you flip.

Don't make me retract my townread with your soft TvS push here.

Read me however you want. I'll tell you the same thing I told Gamma. Don't presume to know what I'm thinking.

[House]

VOTE: Moongrass

Meh, I liked your mastina vote better.

Moon is alright.

[House]

VOTE: Free Money Free Tea

I believe in neither of these things.

VOTE: Free Money Free Tea
Nor do I.

Tea could be scum but these are clearly not good reasons to vote them.

Good job those were the first 2 posts of D1 aka RVS then, innit?

[House]

Yeah good luck with that. Sorry for giving you an excuse to tunnel instead of genuinely providing anything useful to town.

You unvoted us then threatened us. Why should I tr that?

It's not like they stopped suspecting you.

They made it abundantly clear they were sheeping conftown for now.

[House]

VOTE: Moongrass

Meh, I liked your mastina vote better.

Moon is alright.

Then it has to be Tea or jjh then.

I was expecting to argue with this post, but 497-533 left me scratching my head.

[House]

VOTE: Free Money Free Tea

ISO them and read 497-533.

[House]

Yeah good luck with that. Sorry for giving you an excuse to tunnel instead of genuinely providing anything useful to town.

You unvoted us then threatened us. Why should I tr that?

It's not like they stopped suspecting you.

They made it abundantly clear they were sheeping conftown for now.

Only confitowns are Norwee and DGB and all Norwee said was to flip Mastina readslist and I don’t have a clue who DGB is currently sr?

734 perhaps?

That's what I'm guessing happened, anyway.

[House]

VOTE: Moongrass

Meh, I liked your mastina vote better.

Moon is alright.

Then it has to be Tea or jjh then.

I was expecting to argue with this post, but 497-533 left me scratching my head.

Can you link those? I can look it up but it makes it easier.

Click their name in the drop down menu at the bottom of every page.

Click submit.

You're welcome.

[House]

I'd probably need to see more from FMFT before voting based on that
like, it's a jarring transition but not obvscum yet

I fail to see town motivation in requiring "obvscum" for a vote this early in the game.

I can see it coming from a red role pm, though.

[House]

mastina has gone straight in to her scum meta with her opening post.

Nice the hydra is scum.

Yet still voting mastina.

[House]

mastina has gone straight in to her scum meta with her opening post.

Nice the hydra is scum.

Yet still voting mastina.

Oh I thought they were voting us. Yeah, that’s definitely weird. And they’re tr jjh which makes it even weirder.

I don't see why it's weird to tr jjh.

[House]

bad choice of words then
Point is, I want more info before voting

What do you think of jjh, moon, Mastina, NK15?

jjh seems like town so far, as does moon
mastina I could see being scum because of your point about how she wouldn't vote you before you posted, but I also value jjh's read
NK15 I had to look over, and he literally has two posts following game start, neither really amounting to much.

Why'd you toss NK15 into that group anyway?

Because he’s one of the slots currently being voted, other than Tea who you already commented on.

By whom?

jjh moved to me after RVS.

[House]

mastina has gone straight in to her scum meta with her opening post.

Nice the hydra is scum.

Yet still voting mastina.

Oh I thought they were voting us. Yeah, that’s definitely weird. And they’re tr jjh which makes it even weirder.

I don't see why it's weird to tr jjh.

Sr Mastina and also sr us but tr jjh. You see all of that making sense?

I just don't see why their read of jjh is relevant to the mastina/Fey dichotomy.

[House]

mastina has gone straight in to her scum meta with her opening post.

Nice the hydra is scum.

Yet still voting mastina.

I mean it's feasible to have more than one scum read? If FMFT is scum, wouldn't it have been an opportune moment to join the Feys wagon rather than stick with the original read?

This is why you should do your homework.

Look at WHY they were scumreading mastina.

[House]

VOTE: NK15 space given, but I'm watching you Feys.

@House

Oh yeah.

Thanks, my memory sucks.

[House]

Look at WHY they were scumreading mastina.

It would make it easier if you could just explain it to me like I'm 5 because I'm not following.

If you can't click their name on a drop down menu and click Go, then scroll to 497 and read the few posts after it, I have to question your interest in finding scum.

This isn't by any means advanced tactics. It literally takes less than 5 seconds to get to it.

Your resistance to following instructions that are simple to carry out even on a cell phone raises concerns.

[House]

VOTE: mastina
This is obvious scum. Serious vote.

mastina has gone straight in to her scum meta with her opening post.

mastina supposedly reads the nonposters as null... then has the nonposter hydra as scum.

Nice the hydra is scum.

(Still voting their scumread that they're scumreading for scumreading their new scumread)

That's a lot of wtf.

[House]

I guess we could just assume they're really bad scum?

Or, they're just trying to look productive without actually trying to solve.

Aka, what you said.

Anywho, building a wagon on players, especially early D1, does not have to come from an intent to eliminate them.

Wagons are also useful for investigative purposes. Pressure is a useful tool.

[House]

What do you think of the Fey hydra, House

I'm not familiar enough with the players, especially koba, to have an opinion on them this early.

Also, we haven't directly interacted, so they're not really on my radar, yet.

It's been years since I've played on this site, so as a refresher I'll remind you that a lot of my interactions come from how people talk to or about me because I know my allotment but not others', and how we interact can leak whether they know mine.

Saying you read people based on how they read you is like an loud announcement to please pocket me if you’re town here.

I have no objecting to town pocketing me.

Besides, anyone that has played a game with me can tell you that my pockets are full of holes.

[House]

Fwiw House I overstated my read on you for the sake of content production to get us out of RVS immediately

Plus I don't see why scum do this.

Unless they realized after the fact that they were being a bit extra and needed to do damage control before it was caught out.

Not saying that I believe that's what happened, but it's hypothetically possible.

[House]

I was basically trolling him for his baseless vote, so it'snot like it was more productive than RVS anyway as I could have done that from either allotment.

Not shading jjh, I just think it's stupid to fabricate an excuse to "end" RVS instead of let it happen organically.

[House]

alignment *

[House]

I swear I'm going to delete allotment from my dictionary.

[House]

It doesn't happen 'organically' though. There's always got to be that first push, although the one making it doesn't necessarily have to be self aware of how superficial the push is to achieve this.

You say it doesn't happen organically, then describe how it happens organically.

You're funny. I like you.

[House]

In other news, not a super huge fan of mechanics being introduced after pregame ends, but Jingle is cool so que sera.

[House]

Those two posts might have the same content but completely different expressions.

Of course rephrased content will have a different vibe.

Don't get reachy.

[House]

Those two posts might have the same content but completely different expressions.

Of course rephrased content will have a different vibe.

Don't get reachy.

Vibes matter. Don't get preachy.

But then I'll have nothing.

[House]

Damn it I lost heading that wagon because of those darn headless trees.

That's okay, I'd be more intestate in NK's flip than the Feys'.

The rationale is very surface level. Seems more interested in reading actions than hunting motive.

[House]

Damn it I lost heading that wagon because of those darn headless trees.

That's okay, I'd be more interested in NK's flip than the Feys'.

The rationale is very surface level. Seems more interested in reading actions than hunting motive.

I know why we can't, but I DO wish I could edit my posts for typos, lol.

[House]

I am telling anyone who knows my meta how to read me. Do a metadive on me, if you seriously doubt this.

I don’t have full reads on D1. I got lucky with Bell because he was super transparent.

I have made sr/sls. If you means trs/tls? I have a lot of nulls but so far liking House and Gamma.

If you have done that and seriously think that my not having full reads on day freaking one when I’m getting idiot pushed means anything - after you have done that metadive - then fucking vote me.

why are you telling people to read you by meta? shouldn't the way you play this game show if you are town or not i think scum would try to deflate their wagon by telling others to read them by meta instead of content.

I understand and like this.

Looks like proper play scolding, to me.

[House]

Why am I scum?

Strangely enough.

I actually think that this might make House town.

I'm not

sure

, but I THINK it's town from him. Not enough to locktown him but enough to move him out of scum for sure.

DrippingGoofball
jjh927
Moongrass

Not_Mafia

House

cyrus62/KorVex
Gamma Emerald
Titus
nomnomnom


Free Money Free Tea
Not Known 15
Mia and Maya Fey (NancyDrew/DKKoba Hydra)

Locktown, townread, lean town, null, various shades of south of null.

Why am I lean town, now?

Scum is far more likely to not question this sort of thing.

That's a lazy assumption.

I ask that question as scum all the time.

I also point this out as scum all the time.

This is what I mean about people reading actions instead of looking for the motive behind them.

[House]

Nancy has activity going for them, but their reaction to getting voted even after i told off other slots to get them to focus on other things has pinged me negatively tbh.

Same, but I still want to give them until D2 to get their heads screwed on straight.

[House]

Idk why ppl are town reading cyrus.

I'm not vibing with his posts

at all

.

[House]

FMFT & cyrus are the two I'm comfortable voting at this point.

[House]

In other news, it looks like NM is a double voter, lol.

[House]

FMFT & cyrus are the two I'm comfortable voting at this point.

FMFT, okay, but why Cyrus?

FMFT seems to be a very evasive in giving actual reasons for their scumreads.

I ISO'ed Cyrus and didn't find anything suspicious.

FMFT is voting with you - why are you shading them?

No they're not.

[House]

FMFT & cyrus are the two I'm comfortable voting at this point.

FMFT, okay, but why Cyrus?

FMFT seems to be a very evasive in giving actual reasons for their scumreads.

I ISO'ed Cyrus and didn't find anything suspicious.

If you were reading my posts, my willingness to see him eliminated shouldn't be any surprise.

Idk why ppl are town reading cyrus.

I'm not vibing with his posts

at all

.

Most people, I can understand where they're coming from, but I can't make heads or trails of that dude.

[House]

FMFT & cyrus are the two I'm comfortable voting at this point.

FMFT, okay, but why Cyrus?

FMFT seems to be a very evasive in giving actual reasons for their scumreads.

I ISO'ed Cyrus and didn't find anything suspicious.

FMFT is voting with you - why are you shading them?

You mean why I scumread them a bit?
Because not all of my scumreads are perfect. One of you may be very well town. Or not.
Because scum does not always vote town.

Oops, seems I misread 959.

[House]

Idk why ppl are town reading cyrus.

I'm not vibing with his posts

at all

.

Do you think he's playing with his misunderstanding of the readlists?

I can't even answer that because he's speaking Greek as far as I can tell.

[House]

mia why all the vote hoping so fast town doesn't jump around so quick make a vote park it till you find a better place or dont vote . dont just vote hop.

Oh look.

Something I can follow, and it's proper play scolding.

[House]

OK.

I'm off work & finally at home. I'm going to give cyrus another read through now that my attention isn't divided.

[House]

Spoiler: cyrus iso review

mastina .jjh927 come off as scum to me for some reason they think some one who needed to be replaced was town and then jjh927 seems to only be throwing content to look like town VOTE: mastina please tell me how you came up with your reads so fast

The mastina readslist thing was covered, if he was legitimately reading the thread.

@jjh927 ..... why do you not have dgb as town since the mod told us they were town.

... he did.

not know 15 seems to be scum as well why worry about how much is being posted unless your scared you cant keep up with the post due to being scum?

Scum has a lot less pressure to keep up than town, because scum has a team to fill them in on the important bits. This post annoys me.

This is where I'm at right now:

DrippingGoofball
Moongrass
mastina
Gamma Emerald
Titus

House
Free Money Free Tea

Not_Mafia
cyrus62
nomnomnom
Not Known 15

Mia and Maya Fey

@free money yes but look at this we know dgb is town and yet he has him in the scum part here

... posts like this are why I started tuning out on him.

@free money yes but look at this we know dgb is town and yet he has him in the scum part here

The upper part is their townreads no?

well then they just have to state that and i'll move on to where i placed my vote

And what kind of ridiculous reasoning is that.
We know DGB is confirmed town so why would scum be so dumb as to put them as scum and seriously push them?

so that we town read them . we all would be like naa they cant be scum because scum cant be that dumb.

Actually, there is such a thing as "trying to look productive without actually gamesolving".

Some of cyrus' posts feel that way, to me... but that could just be because I've tuned him out... which could also be a strategy in itself... augh, the WIFOM!

And what kind of ridiculous reasoning is that.
We know DGB is confirmed town so why would scum be so dumb as to put them as scum and seriously push them?

so that we town read them . we all would be like naa they cant be scum because scum cant be that dumb.

Ok but they added DGB as their top townread so clearly not their intention.
Personally i don't see the point in adding DGB to a reads list at all since they are of no concern as mod confirmed.

that's my point that is why i am seeing them as scum

I hate this post so much.

just a question can we mistakenly have stump scum?

And this one.

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=80094&user_select%5B%5D=29782

i just read all 35 pages if you give me your full reads on what you think so far i will give you mine

He's just read 35+ pages. He's in a far better position to shit out a readslist.

Also, I'm not a fan of "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" when it comes to readlists in general.

@jjh927 ..... why do you not have dgb as town since the mod told us they were town.

Is this a serious question?

yes due to their post having not mafia at the bottom . another form why even post about dgb since mod told us they were town or are you trying to defend them?

I am telling anyone who knows my meta how to read me. Do a metadive on me, if you seriously doubt this.

I don’t have full reads on D1. I got lucky with Bell because he was super transparent.

I have made sr/sls. If you means trs/tls? I have a lot of nulls but so far liking House and Gamma.

If you have done that and seriously think that my not having full reads on day freaking one when I’m getting idiot pushed means anything - after you have done that metadive - then fucking vote me.

why are you telling people to read you by meta? shouldn't the way you play this game show if you are town or not i think scum would try to deflate their wagon by telling others to read them by meta instead of content.

I actually like this post. Yes, it's a bit "proper play scoldy", but he adds more to it.

This is where I'm at right now:

DrippingGoofball
Moongrass
mastina
Gamma Emerald
Titus

House
Free Money Free Tea

Not_Mafia
cyrus62
nomnomnom
Not Known 15

Mia and Maya Fey

@cyrus

I hate to defend jjh here but he has DGB first. Titus should be a null since she hasn’t posted anything ai in the game phase unless I missed it?

your all missing my point why note the stumps anit there why post at all about dgb if we know he is town wouldn't a read be better by having the unknow as your reads instead of the know?

nvm i misread not_mafia i thought he was putting the ones at the lower of the list as non scum lol my bad nice name play

WHO DOES THAT?!

This is where I'm at right now:

DrippingGoofball
Moongrass
mastina
Gamma Emerald
Titus

House
Free Money Free Tea

Not_Mafia
cyrus62
nomnomnom
Not Known 15

Mia and Maya Fey

@cyrus

I hate to defend jjh here but he has DGB first. Titus should be a null since she hasn’t posted anything ai in the game phase unless I missed it?

your all missing my point why note the stumps anit there why post at all about dgb if we know he is town wouldn't a read be better by having the unknow as your reads instead of the know?

You’re right, I’m not getting it. I don’t understand your point?

basically its a quick read of day 1 and putting the one we all know as town at the top is to make it look like he is shorting . when all he is doing is sheeping or piggy backing off others reads or hoping no one catches on . my 2nd post states who i think is scum and not one of the two have stated other wise or defended themselves

i am clipping some of (jh) post so i can show you what i see


mod said they were town (DrippingGoofball)
i do not have enough info on yet (Moongrass)
i think they are scum (mastina)
null (Gamma Emerald)
null (Titus)
i think what he did was pick 2 random players and call them town list the 1 we knew was town and add his partners to the town reads so we would not try to short them.

ps im thinking of voting mia due to fun sucking

ps im thinking of voting mia due to fun sucking

Treating their vote as a weapon seems scum-minded, because votes ARE weapons against scum.

im up for a cyrus wagon if any one else is lol . but my vote is on jh as they havent provided any real reasoning for their reads also mista just poped off with their read and yet to tell us why. so house tell me are you still sick or did they take care of it on the show. fyi im a wild card and just having fun. .

Yuck.

Oh, and by the way- if there's not enough content to sort me, then what was this post supposed to mean?

and then jjh927 seems to only be throwing content to look like town

If you have the opinion that I am throwing content to look like town, then how does that mesh with the idea that there isn't enough content to sort me? You have acknowledged that I have put out a great deal of towny content and have made the argument that some nuance to it makes it posturing rather than real content. You can't also say there's not enough content to sort me.

lack of better word rather then not enough content i should have said not enough subsistence in your content such as all junk and no real meat or taters

This is a great post. One of few that I can make out that looks like it is coming from a town perspective.

Why did nothing change in how you were reading me after you realised you were reading my readslist upside down?

it has now i tend to pick till i get a reaction. but now im wondering if you and house could maybe be scum with mista but . you are just a slight scum read now. i draw a blank until i reread all the players names.

All over the place seems more town than scum. Scum tend to worry too much about showing logical progression.

If you go through your iso, you're like a kid in a toy store jumping on every reason you can think of to scumread me

It's like someone told you in your scum PT that you should scumread me

i am still waiting for some one to jump in on your behalf .

Cool. I like this post.

What do you mean by that last post?

i was hoping that some one would defend you other then the stump at least i would have more to go on. so far i have pushed you and your the only one fighting back either i am completely wrong or your partner is mia.

Or his partner is distancing.

All kinds of possibilities.

Ah, but you would rather not scumread Mia because they are your scumbuddy, right?

You could stand to be a bit less obvious when you distance.

so not defending some one i have never played with but please do tell me since i stated why i scum read you why you scum read them with out using meta? i mean i know they voted you did you vote them 1st?

Meh. Tuning out again.

I thought you said you had read the whole game?

oh i did and it seems you think they are scum based on other games but why this one.

Hey, I can follow this!

can y'all stop, I got a tilted nancy in my DMs ranting about this game and tbh I'm at the point where I'm also about to slip into toxicity because of this shitwagon on us persisting.


I tried to poke out elsewhere but y'all just hardfocused on us and that's really not helping create a pro-solve environment.

just lay off and trust that we will deliver. Like deadass early game is the worst time to read us and we resolve over time.

I think you both need to chill out. It blocks me from hearing any scumhunting you are doing. You're nowhere near elimination. Rage privately for now. Reads publicly.

This thread is hard enough to follow.

rage na im just trying to get more, reads didnt you tell us you were mia for a few days 1st you opp out of being a stump then you tell people to not post so much, if people dont post the game gos steal and its been almost 2 years since i played so im having fun

towny post

mia why all the vote hoping so fast town doesn't jump around so quick make a vote park it till you find a better place or dont vote . dont just vote hop.

Oh look.

Something I can follow, and it's proper play scolding.

i tend to be all over the place in my games why because, i dont know who is who, so the best i can do is swing away and hope i get it right. i do however have a good track record of picking scum on early d1 or d2.

I have no clue what your track record is, but as for the rest of the post... fair.

Quotes for borked at the end, but it's not that hard to figure out.

[House]

Your attention should really be with your patients

I have no patience.

[House]

I’ve only seen a few cyrus posts but he already seems to be reading things in bad faith

Keep reading.

It gets better. Sort of.

[House]

You're not!
There's one of two worlds.
EITHER:
1: You're town in which case you're not a D1 miselim candidate because you'll obvtown and become a mandatory nightkill,
OR:
2: You're scum in which case you can't be a miselim.

Yikes :grimace:

Take your words.

Apply them to your post.

Granted I haven't been here for years, but I still remember mastina saying stuff like that.

[House]

just a question can we mistakenly have stump scum?

VOTE: cyrus62
Unless he somehow never developed past being a noob, I have trouble seeing shit like this as anything but scum

its a fair question as jingel couldn't not let scum vote on who to stump since then we would just aim at who wasn't voting to stump so what if we did stump scum.

Stumps were chosen before role pm's were sent.

[House]

ps im thinking of voting mia due to fun sucking

Being run up is so much fun.

oh please i was ran up so fast my very 1st game here that i wanted to quit. hell i didnt even know how to vote so it happens relax its early and how many votes are on you any way move on try to scum hunt. ps your not my sr

Who are your SRs then?

cyrus reminds me of Dia, the guy I mentioned in my GTKAS years ago.

Not in playstyle, necessarily, but similar communication issues.

[House]

I miss Wisdom.

[House]

Idk why ppl are town reading cyrus. I'm not vibing with his posts

at all

.

^

FMFT & cyrus are the two I'm comfortable voting at this point.

Ditto but add in NK15 for me, too.

I wouldn't actively object to NK, but I'm not particularly invested in sorting them just yet.

[House]

Were you here when we were voting for stumps? I'm not having a go, I'm just trying to understand your mindset.

no i replaced in .

Ok that makes a lot more sense and removes some of the town cred, most of which I applied thinking you were here from the start but had only just started catching up.

I have a theory that anyone who received a red role pm after the stumping must've felt this to be a losing game and would be forgiven for repping out. Do you know any of the players here?

Replacing KorVex.

Vote Count Stump.2.04

NorwegianboyEE (8):

mastina, NorwegianboyEE, Moongrass, northsidegal, Gamma Emerald, Free Money Free Tea, Titus, House,

Mia and Maya Fey (4):

Mia and Maya Fey, DrippingGoofball, nomnomnom, Not Known 15,

Not_Mafia (2):

KorVex, Not_Mafia,

DrippingGoofBall (1):

jjh927,

Ineligible For Stumping (2):

Titus, northsidegirl,

Not Voting (0):

With 15 alive, it takes

8

to stump.

The deadline for Tree 2 is in (expired on 2021-06-07 17:10:57). At Deadline, currently NorwegianboyEE will be Stumped.

Your theory is disproven.

[House]

Your theory is disproven.

Damn you Dr. house.

I'm pretty sure that repping out due to role pm is a no go, anyway.

[House]

The point was to apply some pressure, but that's ok. I think I'm getting caught in my own web and will regroup.

VOTE: Nomnom

My point was to relieve it.

I win.

Minor communication issues can make players look sus prematurely. I'd like to give cyrus some breathing room to find his feet in the game.

[House]

House you're like a pineapple.

Idgi

[House]

Just don't put me on pizza and we'll get along fine.

[House]

Spoiler:

VOTE: jjh

This is completely out of nowhere

Please explain

VOTE: jjh

This is completely out of nowhere
Please explain

It is also a bad vote.
Please explain.

this is why i think they are scum together who buddys like that?

Glad I'm not alone in seeing that possible theory.

There's another theory.

I prefer that one.

[House]

My theory is that mastina is NOT, in fact, dim enough to echo her scumbuddy immediately after he posts.

[House]

Spoiler:

VOTE: jjh

This is completely out of nowhere

Please explain

VOTE: jjh

This is completely out of nowhere
Please explain

It is also a bad vote.
Please explain.

this is why i think they are scum together who buddys like that?

Glad I'm not alone in seeing that possible theory.

There's another theory.

I prefer that one.

what is the other one you prefer

Keep reading.

mastina is a rather skilled player. She has put out quite a bit of information on how to play well.

[House]

My theory is that mastina is NOT, in fact, dim enough to echo her scumbuddy immediately after he posts.

what if that's what they are hoping for

If she wanted to WIFOM, she wouldn't be so elementary about it.

[House]

My theory is that mastina is NOT, in fact, dim enough to echo her scumbuddy immediately after he posts.

what if that's what they are hoping for

If she wanted to WIFOM, she wouldn't be so elementary about it.

oh come on that 1v1 I had with jjh927 couldn't have just been to throw me off

Do yourself a favor.

Click this: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... e_Articles

Read the articles linked to on that page.

[House]

I do get it- if you want to elim in me or Mastina then you have to claim that we're both aligned since we've locktowned each other

Sadly, you are mistaken. I cannot be elimed in this game, because this is a shining example of my towngame and NSG is one of the treestumps

so basically you are saying you locked town each other and voted for a stump that would defend you

How does voting for a town tree stump forward a scum win condition?

[House]

I do get it- if you want to elim in me or Mastina then you have to claim that we're both aligned since we've locktowned each other

Sadly, you are mistaken. I cannot be elimed in this game, because this is a shining example of my towngame and NSG is one of the treestumps

so basically you are saying you locked town each other and voted for a stump that would defend you

jjh voted to make NSG a tree stump.

Where did he vote for NSG AFTER d1 started?

[House]

I'm a little uncomfortable with how little I'm being suspected, tbh.

I'm never an easy miselim, but I usually have a bit of superficial poking and prodding.

[House]

I do get it- if you want to elim in me or Mastina then you have to claim that we're both aligned since we've locktowned each other

Sadly, you are mistaken. I cannot be elimed in this game, because this is a shining example of my towngame and NSG is one of the treestumps

so basically you are saying you locked town each other and voted for a stump that would defend you

jjh voted to make NSG a tree stump.

Where did he vote for NSG AFTER d1 started?

okay I get it i was way off as there was no way they could possibly predicted that they would roll scum after so I retrack that statement

Yeah, OK.

You do you.

Have fun with that.

[House]

I wouldn't get all elitist about scumhunting methodology if I were you

The vast majority of your arguments have made no logical sense

well anit you a gem its day1 ofc nothing i do makes since we have 15 players here only 7 are posting and shroting the rest idk what they are doing.

ok 13 my bad so we remove 3 then my elf 9 to look at if we then go by jjh or matina we have 7 every one thinks house is town that leaves 6

Why is your read of me based on everyone else's opinion when you're ignoring all of us on jjh?

[House]

The point was to apply some pressure, but that's ok. I think I'm getting caught in my own web and will regroup.

VOTE: Nomnom

Caught in your own web

how

?

Well I'll tell you a secret.

I'm not scum, but I've been carefully setting up webs that I myself have destroyed and now I'm so tangled in my reads I'm not even sure I'm town anymore.

Not a fan of this post.

[House]

Yeah it feels like the converse of LAMIST, essentially “hey look I’m definitely NOT scum”

I'm torn.

Don't take this personally... I think you're a cool dude, and this is happening because it's MY wiring that's screwy... but every time you agree with me in this game, it makes me question my conclusion and want to vote you.

It's rather annoying.

[House]

Cyrus, as an exercise, please could you explain your Gamma Emerald townread

I iso them and I'm on my phone right now so linking the stuff would be hard but from what I see they are actually scum hunting and shorting people unlike you who is just going by meta but I also iso every one and Mia is now my 3dr suspect so when I get back on my phone I'm going to prod and pick on them till I get a reaction I can see why nk15 could be scum as well though so I'm going re read . You mia nk15 and mastina

It's very selective of you to say I'm only using meta and I think you've said it one too many times for me to just ignore you doing so

I have had significant pushes on the play of House (although this was primarily to get us out of RVS), Mia (specifically the koba head), and you. You have gone to lengths to ignore or dismiss these because they don't fit your narrative. I'm pretty sure these are the main areas of content that everybody else in the game is using to place me- so I'm fairly sure the only reason you aren't finding content there is because you don't want to.

There are 4 players about whom I have talked meta- myself, Mastina, Nancy, and you. Myself because self meta is sometimes persuasive, Mastina because people were and apparently still are scumreading Mastina for things she normally does, Nancy because you cannot separate Nancy from her meta and if you try to then she'll bring you back to that topic, and you because I think when someone is playing to such a low standard of play as to literally read someone's readslist upside down I feel inclined to look at their meta to get a better understanding of what the hell is going on there. I mainly scumread you because it's pretty damn clear to me that you started off posting looking for reasons to scumread me specifically but lack the discretion required to determine believable ones.

#goodposting

[House]

Like why the flying feck would I even bring up a web? And then what? I get Gamma my scumbuddy to please question it so I can present my 7D chessboard to the game so that I can finally be townread?

I know I'm going on about it a bit but like, please stop it.

Annoying that you can't call DGB scum for that push, isn't it?

[House]

It is annoying that it's town and thinking this silly.

Who else pushed on that post that might be scum?

[House]

It is annoying that it's town and thinking this silly.

Who else pushed on that post that might be scum?

What? I feel like you're trying to ask me a leading question but I'm not sure where you're leading me to.

I remember both you and Gamma commenting on the post which I shrugged off, I have since stated a townread on you and suggested a scumread on Gamma. Is that what you mean?

I didn't really mean anything by it.

I'm just getting ready for work and puttering along in the thread.