Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yo Dunn, how do you feel about WhemeStar?

Cause recent posting has got me twitching a bit

I’m your sword wtf!

And so did the Queen turn to her vassal, her strong right hand, and speak thusly:

Your strength holds value only equal to your loyalty. For while I have no use for a sword whose edge is dulled, I risk just as much from the sharpened dagger that cuts both ways.

And so did the vassal learn that blind obedience is the greatest enemy of the truth.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have no use for a sword who cannot face scrutiny, or those who would hide a hidden edge.

I have no use for a blade whose steel does not temper under the focus of my flames.

And I have no use for those who let their edge dull, and simply rely on their Queen's skill alone.

Or to put it more bluntly,

Your current posting has given me concern, and I wish to see what progresses of this line.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yo Dunn, how do you feel about WhemeStar?

Cause recent posting has got me twitching a bit

I don't feel strongly about his posts

I acknowledge that it is possible for him to be mafia but don't want to go there when I have other scumreads

And you think that White Fire is the right place to go?

Hasn't Firebringer been hard trolling this entire day though

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not interested in having anyone from the wagons yeterday wagonned today, for reasons I've explained about the possible TVT into Anya scum death.

Flea and Sigmund are off the table for today and possibly more but at least today.

Can someone explain how MC's responses have been townie? Like I know there's a feeling of "Well let's let him write" but nothing MC has done has been townie.

Conversely, Ircher has felt more like town with their response but their desire to kill Notty is.... weird? And some of their posts leave me thinking that it's not a bad fade even if they do flip town, because their night actions might be anti town.

But we can always come back to these two when we want, so I want people to do the following for me.

I want everyone to name their top 3 preferred votes today, as of right now, and give me a single line as to why for each.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Dude was Guill slot scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It is purposeful on my part. I need to see what people do and I can't do thst from the lead.

Sadly TSQ is kind of busy and on a tunnel of his own. Morph has RL issues and that just leaves me.

If it comes to it I will lead, reluctantly. But I much prefer being able to have wide eyes and strike when I am ready.

Like I did yesterday.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So then who is scum Morph.

Cause I think MC probably is.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You know I hate you right lol

Not really but can you ever just answer a fucking question

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like you are on my list of possible scum Cabd.

Which means you getting to batcave confer with Ffery is not preferred when I would rather see your instant reactions.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Uh sure okay, I think murderkitty doubling down after just watching Anya get murderedededed in the face out of a potential T-T wagon setup prior to it makes scum murdercat unlikely to step up and do the exact same AND I think Shea's townread of him is probably correct but also very potentially informed pregame but I haven't really batcaved that to ffery yet so oh well, you asked.

This reads like you went backwards from a Shea TMI read into an MC town read.

Also, like, I think MC's only play this day with how little he's posted (demotivation from instantly being wagoned after an Anya wagon? That's the 2020 scum team my dude) was to double and triple down against me in the hopes of this EXACT refuge in absurdity read coming forward.

This isn't a good enough reason to townread MC or scumread Shea, IMO. I need more on both if you're going to sell me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You asked for off the cuff! If you want the receipts then yeah, you'll get those but not instantly. I'm mobile currently watching my sick almost two year old sleep in her crib between posts and occasionally running out to check on her pasta I'm making for when she wakes up.

You aren't exactly going to get the thesis here.

Yeah you can take your time on the receipts. I'm not in any rush for that. I just wanted to lock you into a statement so when you did have time to do Batcave shenanigans it would need to both tonally and intent wise match your initial post, for a read opportunity.

I got what I wanted, take care of the little one <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Chicken broth instead of water for Kraft Mac and cheese btw.

Total life hack for sick kids.

Still use milk and butter after?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah. Although I use the shapes ones because the texture is easier and double the butter.

That sounds so good.

Look, KD is like a... canadian staple food group so. I'mma need to try this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you like extra protien, use sliced hot dogs. All beef ones work best, I recommend VIenna Beef if available in your area.

Add them alongside the raw pasta.

Hotdogs in KD is so fucking good.

But you need Ketchup on that shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, like, I think MC's only play this day with how little he's posted (demotivation from instantly being wagoned after an Anya wagon? That's the 2020 scum team my dude) was to double and triple down against me in the hopes of this EXACT refuge in absurdity read coming forward.

If MC is really double+tripling down on you like you describe I will vote there with you today.

Go read his ISO. I'm his top scum read since yesterday and he recommitted today by describing my push on Anya as... well I don't wanna poison the well. Go read.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I do want to point out though that needing to read me at this point I take as a win that you didn't reverse engineer my one biggest scum weakness during tenet.

I don't use Meta and moreover I don't trust that anything I take from that game won't be weaponized against me as a double bluff.

so instead of playing musical chairs with shit like that I just cut the gordian knot and handle things like I always have.

I've been on fire, recently. My reads are just popping really well.

I've gone back to basically doing what I've always done. Intent and motivation with a strong splash of gut. Makes it harder to convince people what the fuck I'm smoking but I'm right WAY more often.

lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, like, I think MC's only play this day with how little he's posted

MURDERCAT 153
Dunnstral 147
Flea The Magician 144
WhemeStar 120
Farkran 104
Ircher 92
NDMath 19

This this why I continue to scum read LLD

Yes, that's right, you're among the people who have also done very little, except the very little you've done has been scummy by comparison.

Like you have S_S and Whitefire beating you on posts. and in content.

I would call that "little".

Also, this take is super scummy.

There's no explination given. No actual read.

Just a series of numbers with no context and "this is why I continue to scumread LLD"

like at least try a little harder.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also I think my vote was on ircher after ircher was doing a dumb so

Vote: Murdercat

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spoiler: For LLD only

I'm getting paranoid with the way Morph is playing this day phase, I'm seeing tons of trying to move the wagon somewhere else and not as much working with people

Agree, however.

their current play is being influenced by two real life emergencies.

I've been having concerns about Morph since beginning of today, as I've mentioned a few times, but it's very difficult to evaluate with that on the line.

That said I think their stances are... questionable. This outcome of today and the info I get from it will have a large part in whether I pursue them tomorrow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There are a lot of reasons why a scum watcher hypothetically would target a townie leader who just led a town yeet on a scum target after day 1. Some of them involve role confirmation for being read as town/not being seen as suspicious. Some of them involve information fishing, as many roles might be likely to target me that night and they would be roles scum would want to remove. Granted, Sigmund was claimed, but it's a large.

I'm very confused that Titus didn't... come to this conclusion herself?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MURDERCAT [8]:

NDMath

,

WhemeStar

,

Ircher

,

Bell

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Chara

,

Farkran

,

Sigmund

@Fark This is my gut take on my current wagon, I can't really reconcile Bell pushing me so hard with Ircher being town

And here is thr expected Bell walk back.

"I can't reconsile it! It makes no sense!" And then he'll hover and platitude on it until the read is just part of his shit.

So not forget that MC has tried 3-4 different ways to try and evade this wagon and tried exactly zero times to explain his LLD or Bell reads in a way that make sense.

Remember that MC tried to argue he was providing content by attacking my point with the number of posts he made instead of proving me wrong by MAKING MORE CONTENT.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd, MC is scum. The above is just the nail in the coffin.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd, MC is scum. The above is just the nail in the coffin.

I disagree with both you AND titus but my pushing back is counterproductive at this point.

I'm not exactly convinced by this to suddenly throw my weight onto something else. Need to give me more.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I am earmarking this conversation with Cabd for later if we end up in a particular world because I just got paranoia goosebumps

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so wait, where is your scum LLD read from if not from thinking she was bussing?

My LLD read developed well before that and comes from the fact that LLD hasn't once given me the benefit of the doubt except for one moment with morph that I read as very fake.

LLD has continued to push me in a way that I find very opportunistic

, and her read on me only started when I revealed that I was scum reading LLD. In other words, if I'm the only townie that thinks that scum LLD is scum I am a good target to push and she has continued to push me with no deeper thought behind whether she believes she is correct.

What is opportunistic about my push?

Go on, explain the opportunism.

I've been on you all day, have scum read you since yesterday, and you've been playing like scum the entire time... with points I've been making across 2 days.

So where's the opportunism, MC?

-------------------------

Oh, and everyone reading this conversation?

Please note that MC uses words like "Opportunism" and "Fake" because as of yet and STILL, MC has failed to provide an actual reason to scumread me.

So far his scumreads are "LLD WAS TOO CONFIDENT ON HER SCUM READ" but he knows as well as everyone in this game that I am that confident on my reads as both alignments in all games, so he's using NAI things to try and call me scum and then his only other point is "LLD is pushing me and it feels fake".

This is pure buzzword usage for the sake of survival. The truth is there's nothing opportunistic about my vote, he's just saying opportunism because it clicks in people's heads as "oh yeah I've seen scum do that before".

Like this isn't even a grey area case. There's literally no opportunism because I've been voting him all day minus a stint on Ircher for being anti-town, and I was scumreading him all yesterday until a better scumread came along and I pushed that instead.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

pedit this is @ murdercat: how would you say your play is different from the notsci scumgame?

i think it would be hard for me to vote NDMath here, unless i was sure you were town, he is a watcher claim i don't really scumread, and i don't think there's time for another wagon, so full disclosure on that, but if you are town i'd like to understand your reads for going forward, and that is because of your reputation.

i also thought LLD's case against anya was too confident for what was there at the time... obviously, and it made it hard to get into day 2 considering i was proven wrong and my reaction was to decide to sheep LLD. so i'm not totally unwilling to believe it was because it was a bus, but to even start thinking about that would depend on your flip anyway.

for me i don't like how criticisms of your play seem to just be met with self-meta, it makes me think you're aware of your own town patterns and are just doing your best to replicate them.

Now take this and look at what I just quoted from him.

He is proving you right by saying things like opportunism.

His attacks are all air because he has nothing to go on. His words are all empty because it matters more that he doesn't die than he actually puts any pressure on me.

Consider this, MC is supposed to be scumhunting right? Instead of just trying to play pretend?

MC kind of magically developped a "guess NDMath is sort of scummy" read over the day. Why didn't MC push a wagon besides me during the day? Why is MC still trying to push me when I'm not happening as a vote today?

Because it's not about actually generating reads or being open for MC. It's about narrative control.

It's about thread control.

I stepped back for a moment to allow the thread to have competing wagons and not just power through with my iron fist, and he's used that to try and position himself in the "look at me I'm so townie for standing up to LLD and being wrong".

I've been there. I've done the tactic.

He's scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like everyone voting NDMath has to give me a good reason why those last 2 posts of mine and the past 2 pages of MC are town!MC, or get voting for MC. Seriously.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MURDERCAT [8]:

NDMath

,

WhemeStar

,

Ircher

,

Bell

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Chara

,

Farkran

,

Sigmund

@Fark This is my gut take on my current wagon, I can't really reconcile Bell pushing me so hard with Ircher being town

I think this has internal consistency even if i disagree with ~5 out of 8 reads (namely me, bell, lld, possibly ircher, possibly whemestar)

Comparing to:

Final Votecount 1.14

Adventurers

:

Anya [13]: Ircher, Lady Lambdadelta, Titus, Bell, Sigmund, Dunnstral, notscience, Something_Smart, Artemiana, Bingle, Whemestar, Flea The Magician, Toogeloo

[Hammer!]

Sigmund [5]: Save the Dragons, Flea the Magician, NDMath, MURDERCAT, Thestatusquo
Flea the Magician [4]: White Fire, Farkran, Chara, Guillotina
Lady Lambdadelta [1]: Anya

Not Voting [1]: Not_Mafia, morph the cat

Your reads are compatible with a world where 1 or 2 scum bussed anya.

Do you think flea is town? What do you make of flea voting ndmath?

INTERNAL CONSISTENCY CAN BE FAKED.

HE IS ABLE TO BE CONSISTENT WITH HIS FAKE READS, IT DOESN'T MEAN HE'S TOWN.

THE MORE CONCERNING FACT SHOULD BE THAT 5/8 OF HIS READS DON'T MATCH YOURS. THAT'S NOT A GOOD SIGN. IT EITHER MEANS YOU ARE INCREDIBLY OFF, OR HE'S SCUM.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD can you sum up your reason for scum reading me in a single line or two? Because I can and have done it for my read on you

You've said nothing about why you think I'm scum.

I've said "LLD was too confident on Anya" and "LLD doesn't actually believe I'm scum."

Two statements that are completely air and you've provided no proof for because there is no proof to provide.

The reasons you are scum is because your entrance into the game was bad, you floated day 1 when Flea and Sigmun were TVT and only spoke up when Anya was getting in trouble. You disappeared today in hopes the Titus guilty would spare you and then showed up again to discredit me, instead of pushing an actual scumread for a vote, and finally you show up in a storm after doing nothing all day at deadline when your scumteam has been pushing NDMath all day to try and survive.

That's why you're scum. With provable annecdotal actions from you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Or Murdercat is incredibly off town.

If NDmath flips town, townies should shoot here ftr.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lexi, Bell, notty, et al.

If we hand you murdercat and it's a town flipskies, until everyone in our little group of happy campers is dead, you go off the reads lists ffery and I posted, mmkay?

Because that's prolly his alignment, even though you're death tunneled.

If he flips town I'm killing you next.

If he flips scum I'm killing Titus next.

If NDMath flips town, I'm killing Titus, THEN You.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

morph, Math or MC are getting flipped today. which one do you want to flip? it seems like you want it to be MC.

No that's the thing.

Morph has been calling them town all day while doing nothing about it, and real life aside they could have done what I did at any point yesterday and hammered somehting like S_S home and seen what happened.

But they didn't. They sat on a single vote S_S wagon and are now making "i control the thread when MC flips town" vagueties.

Whcih is what I was waiting to see.

If MC is scum, I think it makes Morph town. Their sidelining will have been genuine concern not playing me.

If MC is scum I think Titus is scum for trying to do NDMath and reset MC to another day.

IF MC is town, Morph sidelined to gain thread control for the flips. It would also mean Titus is probably town.

If NDMath is town, they're both scum, cause MC is probably scum too.

If NDMath is scum, I'm way off and I'll be resetting my reads anyway, but I don't think this is the world we live in.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In fairness, Lexi wants to murder us tomorrow for daring to be able to red murdercat betterererer than her, so~

I want to murder you tomorrow if you were right and did nothing to stop it, and instead focused on gaining cache.

Cause that would be an ACTUAL TMI situation where you knew the flip and positioned yourself around it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Morph has been calling them town all day while doing nothing about it, and real life aside they could have done what I did at any point yesterday and hammered somehting like S_S home and seen what happened.

But they didn't. They sat on a single vote S_S wagon and are now making "i control the thread when MC flips town" vagueties.

Whcih is what I was waiting to see.

YOU FUCKING TOLD US TO LET YOU HAVE THE MANTLE ARCEUS FUCK

Today is YOUR day while we sit back and note that we think you're wrong but let you have your way because of day one.

When did I say this? I've spent the largest portion of today stepping back from the thread to force multiple wagons to compete after starting the MC wagon to see what happens.

In what way have I been hard driving the reigns.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What if this is just PA’s game day one on day two

and so what, you let them live forever and ever until they burn you?

they've been sidelining all day, do you deny it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

morph, Math or MC are getting flipped today. which one do you want to flip? it seems like you want it to be MC.

No that's the thing.

Morph has been calling them town all day while doing nothing about it, and real life aside they could have done what I did at any point yesterday and hammered somehting like S_S home and seen what happened.

But they didn't. They sat on a single vote S_S wagon and are now making "i control the thread when MC flips town" vagueties.

Whcih is what I was waiting to see.

If MC is scum, I think it makes Morph town. Their sidelining will have been genuine concern not playing me.

If MC is scum I think Titus is scum for trying to do NDMath and reset MC to another day.

IF MC is town, Morph sidelined to gain thread control for the flips. It would also mean Titus is probably town.

If NDMath is town, they're both scum, cause MC is probably scum too.

If NDMath is scum, I'm way off and I'll be resetting my reads anyway, but I don't think this is the world we live in.

This feels kind of ridiculous. Townies are going to be pushing their reads and don't have the info to know if they're pushing a counterwagon away from or onto scum (or both) so how can you just go "if this person was wrong on a read then they're scum" which feels like a large part of your murdercat push too.

It's not about the reads themselves, it's how they approach them and how they got there.

MC got to a bell scum read from... awful logic. Nonsensical.

Morph got to a double town read from these two wagons and has been exploiting their "got told to step back" schtick all day to avoid having to stop that TvT outcome.

Why isn't that scummy to you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yo morph like i get it you have lines of questioning you want to do but this isn't a 1v6 with x NPCs. People have just as much right to post in the thread and talk as you do.

This is beginning to feel very much like playing pandemic and one player keeps trying to take everyone's turns for them and it's annoying the crap out of me.

This is a coop not a two player.

FUCK it was shea we recalled it being lexi and thats why we sat back.

...Was it not you?

I distinctly recall you telling us to step back and let the thread breathe and stuff.

To be fair that was your framing and not mine. I simply asked you to stop snapping at people for daring to post in the thread when you were talking.

Too late into the day deadline to change it now.

Mea culpa.

Oh fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkking hell.

How much time left in the day?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What if this is just PA’s game day one on day two

and so what, you let them live forever and ever until they burn you?

they've been sidelining all day, do you deny it?

I’m saying competing scum wagons

That’s the vibe I’m getting

Dunno tho

I’m not defending morph but they did make it clear they were sitting on their hands

If they're both scum of course Morph is town. It means scum morph would have let this happen, let me lead 2 straight scum deaths and been totally chill about it. With a doctor alive. It's not happening.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am unsurprised the second I indicate Titus might be scum and she isn't in my pocket she starts having a plummetting read on me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh and for those of you who were not in tenet, a major part of my scum win was pushing the narrative that town couldn't have a non-macho IC, a watcher, a tracker, and a doctor all at once.

Spoiler alert: Cakez gave them all of that to counteract the extremely dangerous scum vanilla cop.

Sorry what is thr context point for this?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am unsurprised the second I indicate Titus might be scum and she isn't in my pocket she starts having a plummetting read on me.

Not true. My read started crashing when NDMath watched you instead of the doctor.

The fact you were pushing town over scum and campaigning to shoot me doesn't help.

So your whole read is based on NDMath being scum.

He's not scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can full claim if people prefer that.

Yeah I'd like a full claim I think.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so I was roleblocked last night, apparently

or at least that's what "not sucessful" means I think

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Need to lock again.

uhh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

FREEDOM

[Lady Lambdadelta]

CAN'T LOCK ME OUT FOREVER

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So.

We are the result of the multiple locks. Stand by.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

morph you need me today or can i pretend this game doesn't exist

[Lady Lambdadelta]

morph you need me today or can i pretend this game doesn't exist

You got your desired elim. It flipped town. I want "lexi who hit town and resets and picks a new direction" mode at some point in the next 72ish hours.

that requires you not being a thread tyrant, because you're game warping the whole thread around you.

I'm thinking of leaning back and letting you do your shit and then cleaning up whatever mess/success you end up with.

If you want my opinion, feel free to ask me for it, but I'm not super interested in trying to do "can Niamh shout over Cabd for 2 weeks in a thread to force people to react to generate new reads".

I'd rather reset and ride your wake.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like Cabd if you can't already see the shape of this becomming "Cabd gets to pick who he wants to kill, the dayphase" then I don't think you have quite the peripheral vision I gave you credit for.

And I remain uncertain how you think I'm supposed to re-evaluate with pressure and control when nothing I will do will matter wihtout your sayso.

People will just ignore me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This, ftr, is why I stepped back yesterday. I wanted to see what would happen with the wagons when I left the control up to others after giving a push.

I thikn there's a lot to learn there, so I'll probably give that a look and form some opinions...

that won't matter because in the end you're just gonna kill whoever you like without my input.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like Cabd if you can't already see the shape of this becomming "Cabd gets to pick who he wants to kill, the dayphase" then I don't think you have quite the peripheral vision I gave you credit for.

And I remain uncertain how you think I'm supposed to re-evaluate with pressure and control when nothing I will do will matter wihtout your sayso.

People will just ignore me.

Except the guy choosing who does die a fiery death of fire is expliclty asking for YOUR input? Fuck the rest of the thread. Find scum and sell me. Pretend the game thread is locked but you can post in a hood of you and me and Ffery.

and you're actually gonna give a shit when I tell you what I think.

genuinely

cause if this is some stupid attempt to parse my alignment you can go to hell

like if i put in all this work to try and find scum by skimming how people moved through the vote counts and their intent and approach to wagons and their forward planning and just putting an Eye onto them all

only for you to turn around and go "yep you're town good job you did it" and ignore my fucking reads

I'll literally explode.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This, ftr, is why I stepped back yesterday. I wanted to see what would happen with the wagons when I left the control up to others after giving a push.

I thikn there's a lot to learn there, so I'll probably give that a look and form some opinions...

that won't matter because in the end you're just gonna kill whoever you like without my input.

And I stepped back to let you do your thing.

Yeah.

which means i need to now go do the second half of the data collection which is data parsing.

it's like layign down lobster traps, and now i gotta pick them all up and see what's inside.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not a gimmick to read you.

I genuinely want your input. Even though your Artemis read was very wrong it helped me figure out where else to go and we ended up on Anya for example.

I'm currently town reading you.

k.

give me 30 minutes and i hope you don't expect coherence.

i'll give you a list of... mm, well, i'll give you a list of names i have no idea if i'll be able to narrow it down to 5 actual names, but

and if you wanna ask questions, go ahead at that point

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's possible none exist but I'd like to know that too.


Unwnds fetish for parity cops is legendary.

Pedit- only want info on what night it was created as of right now.

can you stay awake long enough for this list

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's possible none exist but I'd like to know that too.


Unwnds fetish for parity cops is legendary.

Pedit- only want info on what night it was created as of right now.

can you stay awake long enough for this list

Uhhhh it's a work day tomorrow if I'm going to be processing it once you post it that's a lot of time.

Or do you intend to post it then I thumbs up and I fuck off to bed?

we can have indepth later, i just want you to tell me if anything sticks out as "i hard disagree"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

2. Dunnstral
4. White Fire (Shiro/Firebringer) catboi
8. Sigmund
13. WhemeStar
14. notscience
16. Guillotina Dwlee99
18. Flea the Magician
20. Thestatusquo
22. Farkran
24. Something_Smart

Here are a list of 10 of the 16 people I think have scum equity. The others are cleared by role, play, or mechanic.

From here, we need to assume that we have at best 2 miseliminations remaining. At BEST.

so... I'm going to make a list of 6 names an a notable alternate at 7, that I believe, if killed in order, would win town the game without accidentally risking town losing the game (i.e, the list will be semi ordered in preference to avoid multiple dead townies in a row at any point to avoid parity+bonus kill issues)


4. White Fire (Shiro/Firebringer) catboi
8. Sigmund
13. WhemeStar
14. notscience
20. Thestatusquo
22. Farkran
24. Something_Smart

Is the 7, and in order....

S_S
Farkan
Catboi
Wheme
Shea
Sigmund
NotScience

I think if you eliminate that 7 in order, you win the game. Flea probably town from D1 TVT. Dunn town for having a lot of mind meld moments with me, but I don't have much else there. Dwlee town because I feel like Dwlee tried to inject life into yesterday which apathy would have been a better scum move coming in as a replacement with the current things we know.

So this list, in order, kill them, town should win or be in a winning position to re-evaluate who is left.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I also think at minimum there are 4 scum in:

S_S
Farkan
Catboi
Wheme
Shea

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Notty why did you vote yourself for literally forever on day 2 instead of picking a wagon

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also if LLD thinks they were role blocked I can probably answer that because I targeted them last night. I just don’t have a result yet

???

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I just don’t have a result yet

What does that mean?

I don’t know if I am allowed to say?

Eh fuck it

Mod just forgot to give me a result. He said it’ll come soon

What action did you take?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like did you roleblock me, lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'd like you to full claim your action pls

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Same thing as what I did stratum 2

I can see what happened to you in the form of a poem

I just don’t have a result yet

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Okay, Understood!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD- Shogun
N0: 0 Damage
N1: 0 Damage
N2: 0 Damage

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ripples in the sand. The waves crash onto the shore's ocean, peering back and forth. She commands the tides of her own journey.

Well LLD any idea on what this means

What the....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

gib colour tier reads cabd

grabby hands.jpg

[Lady Lambdadelta]

They're nekkid, no reasons yet. Give us like 30 minutes.

WHO NEEDS REASONS

REASONS ARE FOR COWARDS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I’d be lying if I said I was excited for any read but my own

Same. It's like the SUPP popularity contest.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

are you fucking kidding me morph

[Lady Lambdadelta]

honestly please kill me first instead so we can lose this game now instead of 2 months from now so i don't have to deal with this bullshit

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: LLD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Seriously get me out.

I'm not playing a game where we kill a bunch of scum and some town and end up in like fucking endgame and people go "well the morph list says kill LLD" and I have to yell to the heavens for a month only to lose the game.

Get.
Me.
Out.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The problem, bell, is Sigmun and Notty are in the green tier and I'm in the orange tier and that's a game loss

so I'd like to lose the game now please

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like

I gave you a list of people to kill to win the game.

I agree with the red list wholeheartedly. It's either 2 or 3 scum on it, every time.

But then we get to orange and i feel like we don't have both scum in there, we may not even have 1 scum in there and if we do it's dangerous

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Morph's list probably looks like it wins the game for 2-3 days, then slowly loses the game and people wonder whatever happened to their poor won game and then 2 months later oops scum in the green and yellow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'm seriously so pissed off that Morph called us town for days, asked me for my opinion, then promised me it wasn't a read test and we were town and then

IGNROED MY OPINION AND DID THIS SHIT ANYWAY

[Lady Lambdadelta]

THE EXACT THING

I ASKED THEM NOT TO DO

WAS TO MAKE ME PUT EFFORT INTO THIS SHIT AND THEN JUST GO "LOL LLD" AND IGNORE ME

AND I GOT HARD IGNORED

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so fuck it, kill me first

if morph wants to risk this game on me being scum we do it today

I'm not dealing with this shit when they're dead

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We're absolutely not saying don't ever reevaluate our list.

We certainly will reevaluate.

nah shut up for a minute

you got scum and then you got PoE and then you got start killign this when the PoE runs out

that's the definition of don't reevaluate

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, I don’t agree and think you’ll be fine lld.
There’s a lot of dead people between now and when you’re going to get suspected.

and were I scum I would hold the same confidence you do

but I'm not and I can't control the kills

which means the people who want me dead will be spared and the ones who think I'm town will eat bullets.

And we'll end up in this fucking situation.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like you and Bingle both have me as hard town Bell but guess who is fucking dying lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so we sort me today

either I'm scum and you risk the game on getting rid of me

or i'm town and you fucking lock me away

but I'm not living in the middle of the pack to be the final elimination to lose town the game

I won't fucking live that life

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We're absolutely not saying don't ever reevaluate our list.

We certainly will reevaluate.

nah shut up for a minute

you got scum and then you got PoE and then you got start killign this when the PoE runs out

that's the definition of don't reevaluate

No, fuck that.

Every elim flip and wagon composition and every day's postings and every night result is more data.

Our PoE has been evolving ALL game.

This is where we are at now. We feel pretty good about our bottom three, and we're going to get more data from today and from everything going forward.

YOUR BOTTOM 3 IS NOT THE PROBLEM.

THAT'S EASILY 2 SCUM MINIMUM. EQUAL ODDS TO BE 3 SCUM!

IT IS WHAT COMES AFTER THAT IS THE PROBLEM

[Lady Lambdadelta]

you don't get to re-evaluate once you die.

You just don't.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

............Lot of things can change between now and then Lady Lambdadelta.

Nothing I can control.

I fucking see the shape of it now. I SEE what is going to happen and I feel like if I don't yell to the gods now I won't get another chance

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It might be a good idea to direct attack damage? Like it's not foolproof, but it could lead to increasing our efficiency and elimming the poe players at the bottom.

Would require people to claim their attack strengths.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ffery may not be, but I am willing!

I will let you have it your way, just like the second day. We can sort you, THEN the remaining living players players are to flip the entire red list in bottom-up order, then move onto the oranges.

This is unfortunately how I expected you to react if scum. You're not gonna like that and I'll be eating dirt postgame if I'm wrong, but I did predict this.

How is this how I react if I'm scum.

You just won me the game if I'm scum, buddy.

I can control the kills if I'm scum.

You'll be dead and I can leave alive people who will keep me around.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ffery may not be, but I am willing!

I will let you have it your way, just like the second day. We can sort you, THEN the remaining living players players are to flip the entire red list in bottom-up order, then move onto the oranges.

This is unfortunately how I expected you to react if scum. You're not gonna like that and I'll be eating dirt postgame if I'm wrong, but I did predict this.

Also you literally called this Lylo.

So if you're willing to sort me by flipping me, feel free to lose the game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I'm right, I'm legendary.

If I'm wrong, I'll get kicked in the shins a bunch at an anime con.

Bluff called. You can blame me if I'm wrong.

VOTE: LLD

I'm never playing this game with you again.

This is the most unfun experience of my life.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like Actually fuck you cabd

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That is definitely hyperbole.

It's literally not.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You are LITERALLY getting what you wanted.

I wanted you to fucking try and actual sort me, not just go "welp this is what I expected from Scum lexi" which is bullshit

because Scum lexi would have ridden the fucking pine and let you have your day and then FUCKING KILLED YOU TONIGHT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm genuinely surprised you thought I wouldn't be willing to call your bluff here, though.

Surely you weighed the risk of this backfiring before pulling the trigger on it?

It isn't a bluff.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Want to know my fucking role?

I'm a fucking redirector. I could have fucking killed you tonight if I were scum and just let people ignore your fucking reads.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can make people either Attack someone of my chocie or take no actions.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You are LITERALLY getting what you wanted.

I wanted you to fucking try and actual sort me, not just go "welp this is what I expected from Scum lexi" which is bullshit

because Scum lexi would have ridden the fucking pine and let you have your day and then FUCKING KILLED YOU TONIGHT

From tenet's scum discord, paraphrased:

Figure out right when they're going to figure it out, and murder them not a moment sooner.

I just got the blinders off a cycle early. And only by a stroke of mod error, or I'd be in the graveyard raising rabble right now instead of the town cop.

Yes, literally, the way I play scum... is how I would have dealt with you tonight instead of this.

Also, you would have died from Bodyguarding. How could I... what?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

there are way too many issues leaving a redirector alive in this setup

It's not a full redirect.

I target someone and make them attack someone of my choice. If they refuse, they take no action instead.

It's literally just a town roleblock.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's literally just a way to fucking prevent scum from doing weird and wacky damage spreads.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But how would that be resolved? That action would have to resolve immediately and poses timing issues.

I have no fucking clue. Do I look like I fucking know how this game works?

Ask the mod.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's literally just a town roleblock.

Subject: NY 165: A Large Normal (Game Over!)

Roleblocker. Crumb was here (also trolling nacho is fun)

Raving Bisexual

Bulbafenix Night One
Shadi Night Two
Orcinus Night Three

Jon_61 next please.

Radiant Cowbells, who replaced KingCrabd, Mafia Roleblocker was eliminated day 7

... and?

what does a normal game have to do with my ability

what the fuck are you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also thanks for comparing my play to RC you piece of shit

i'm so fucking done

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like i'm acutally not okay and this isn't fake alignment irregardless

you've done nothing but fuck with me all game

i asked you multiple times in the game to stop fuckign with me

and all you do is fuck with me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i actually hate you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i asked you after you fucked wiht me all game that if i fucking put effort into trying to solve this game that you better not do some fucking uno reverse card bullshit on me

and if you scum read me just scum read me

and you promised me

and you lied to me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

after i spent fucking hours of effort because YOU ASKED ME TO in this game

every time you've rewarded me with bullshit and gimmicks

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Lexi have you used your action yet

yes

i used it last night to force Titus to try and shoot S_S. It was not successful. I assume it was because I was roleblocked. I asked if Titus denying the thing would be a not success and told no. So I was roleblocked or like, some weirdness?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

as for why Titus and why S_S

S_S is scum and NDMath wasn't scum from my reads.

I thought Titus would shoot NDMath so I wanted to force Titus to not do that and shoot S_S instead, or just not shoot at all

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I also thought titus was scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

also thanks for comparing my play to RC you piece of shit

i'm so fucking done

He's comparing you to HIMSELF. He was force replaced in the game due to TSO posting shit about that game in another game after he had died but the game wasn't over.

It sucked, but that kind of stuff unfortunately happens.

sort of like we're unfortunately not sipping champagne in the dead thread high fiving over our optimal bodyguard play.

so he's not being insulting he's an egotist.

much better

i don't play scum how cabd does and i never have

and also my role doesn't work that way.

it costs 3 fucking sp and it just makes people attack things. and it's provable because the PEOPLE ARE ASKED TO AGREE OR DECLINE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

but i'm seriously upset with the way you've treated me across this game cabd

you've dnoe nothing but gambit in my face when i've been on thin edge of quitting this website

and when i ask for a little fucking directness and understanding and just ot fucking tell me what i'm in for before i fucking try

you go

"well sure you're town we good"

and then stick me in your PoE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

very tempted to post my role pm and get modkilled rn

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that you were a secret scum read of ours before literally this evening.

THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT I'M GETTING

[Lady Lambdadelta]

that's why i'm so frustrated

that's why i'm doing this

if you'd called me "scummy but i have bigger suspects" from jump

i'd fucking say whatever

but this whole nonsense where i give a shit and then you fucking do this?

yeah it makes me wanna fucking suicide dive

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I’m trying not to step in lines of questioning but my recollection was she was in the bell tier snd im confused what happened

yeah cause he's lying

he's lying to make it seem better

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd-head reads:

{

Bingle

,

Artemiana

, Sigmund,

Titus

}
{LLD, Bell}
{notscience,

MurderCat

, dwlee}
{

NDMath

, Catboi, Thestatusquo, Flea, Dunnstral }
{Flea, Ircher, Farkran }
{Whemestar, S_S, Chara}

You fuckers don't get to touch sigmund.

I've lost too many townreads to stupid fucking play.

We're confirmed town and I intend to go out in a blaze of glory today, we are NOT eliminating town.

She was, but then this entire day happened.

what happened this day exactly?

i agreed with you on who was scum and then you promised me you had me as town and lied?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It literally all pivoted on Shea's slot becoming obvscum.

Then we sat down and went "okay now who fits into this mold" and it grew from there.

when did shea's slot become obv scum?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So the mod hasn't told me who my previous slot targeted yet.

I go on a bike ride so I must bescum? What a sizzling hot take.

I go on a bike ride so I must bescum? What a sizzling hot take.

(to all the people who scumread me! )

5 people: oh yeah I didn't hurt anyone
annoying conftown morph: ok random.org says t3

...
kay, that's scum lying about their access to...

so why the fuck is S_S below T3?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

All I wish from you, Mr. Bond, is to die.

Once again, you think you're charming but you're really just arrogant and conceited and cruel.

You think the whole game is about you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You know what?

Vote: T3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think it would be more fun to rally the troops towards this and piss you off that you're not allowed to have your candy apple.

I'm town. If you wanna try and convince people I'm scum, fucking go for it.

I'll be the one to waste your time for once.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This way I don't need to game throw, and I get to be a bitch at you for all you've done.

Win. Fucking. Win.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You don't get me. You don't even get S_S.

You get T3. And then Sigmund probably dies. Or You die because Mafia has an actual roleblocker.

And then you get to watch me win town this game from the graveyard and BE fucking sour about it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Morph's list probably looks like it wins the game for 2-3 days, then slowly loses the game and people wonder whatever happened to their poor won game and then 2 months later oops scum in the green and yellow.

i kind of don't plan on mindlessly sheeping morph. i agree with some of the reads but it's not my roadmap.

Come do T3 with me then.

Morph is absolutely right about one thing. Those T3 posts are a scum claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also I've lost my temper again, which is relatively new for me in mafia these days.

so I'm gonna make clear that the reason i've lost my temper is because I've spent 3 game days being fucked with by Morph gambits and the one today was just too fucking much to deal with.

I've been patient and trying to be understanding all game about them and my patience ran out.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Or maybe this is your expected attempt to get out of your bluff being called, right after realizing that I wasn't going to back down on this even if it got awkward. And perhaps you'll flip enough of your buds to buy chip damage time to bring two people convinced you can be town to 3P and win. (side note if Lexi gets to 3/4 P hammer her immediately~)

But you KNOW that I got you.

Even if I were scum and that was what I did, which isn't true on either count

it wouldn't change the fact that in this game I find your behaviour detestable, and that that is the sole reason for my anger.

And I am currently trying to split my anger from the game to prevent it from being "the reason why epople did X"

so I'd appreciate if you stopped ego stroking long enough to not be an asshole

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like it turns out town have survival instincts too and I've decided I don't want to throw the game anymore.

What a fucking surprise

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think the most concerning thing is that you think what you've done this game is okay, and moreover, you think that "kick in the shins at Anime con" is the forgiveness method.

Like the thing that concerns me most is literally that you think you can just do anything and be forgiven because why not

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'm almost tempted to post my role PM and get modkilled simply so that people can know these statements I'm making aren't game related.

This isn't me trying to win you over.

This is my genuine frustration with Cabd treating me like dogshit all game

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What exactly am I supposed to say to this?
It’s not my role to intercede in these kind of disputes.

which is why I'm gonna try and move my anger away from my gameplay

... honestly i feel like a shit person too for letting it get out?

this was meant to be a long conversation i had with cabd privately after the game but his goal right now seems to be to goad and humiliate me in public so i'm not having a good time of it.

From a game standpoint, your options are this.

If you think I'm scum, vote me.

If you think I'm town, vote T3 (or S_S if you wanna sheep Cabd over me but I'm doing T3 because of spite and also because T3 claimed scum in thread so)

That's the bare bones of it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, I'm in the wrong for letting my anger get to me and I apologize. There was no excuse for calling cabd a piece of shit, no matter how hurt I feel this game.

Espcially since it ties my anger and frustration and hurt to me alignment and makes this discussion after the game harder to have.

I've fucked up.

But that's irrelevant to the game right now.

The above is the standard.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I'm almost tempted to post my role PM and get modkilled simply so that people can know these statements I'm making aren't game related.

But you won't because once again this is a GAME and games mean playing to win, and if you can't handle the idea of a game about social deduction involving the potential for massive shifts in sentiment based upon new information, that's on you.

Like you can try to make me feel bad as much as you want here, but I'm playing to win this game, and if you can't handle that, so be it.

Understand that you treated me like trash this whole game. You get that right? You belittled me, humiliated me and purposefully made my life in the game a living hell.

When you had no reason to do it.

Or is this just another of your "playing to win the game" things.

Because I played to win the game in 2014 too, and well, 2014 LLD used to yell at people until they broke.

Or is that a valid strategy too, cabd

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not going to be feelsbadman'd out of this. I'm not taunting LLD at this point. I get that she is obligated to feel that way for the sake of shaking me off. I respect that. She is PLAYING TO WIN.

I'd like to think that we can calm down and murder each other peacefully, but in the game this is a social game about murdering each other and it means stuff is gonna involve flipping out and getting mad. Nobody likes being fed into a woodchipper.

you're literally taunting me and if you think you're not despite 2 people saying you are, I recommend you look hard in the mirror and ask yourself whether it is what you intend or what you achieve that matters when people's feeligns are involved.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Eh, it’s my problem that I’m uncomfortable with these kinds of conversations.

Then focus on the game side of it.

If you think Cabd is right and I'm scum, vote me.

If you think I'm town, vote T3 or S_S depending on what you prefer.

Cause both of those are flipping scum and Cabd's still not wrong about them.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Catboi has requested replacement. Searching..

goddamnit.

shocking

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this just isn't fun anymore

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This LLD situation feels very much like how we killed nacho day one and I understand you guys are confirmed town snd all but it’s making me really gunshy

I agree about top tier

Agree about Dunn and Dwlee. Dunno about Chara. Hated Ircher’s Titus shot but I’ve hated his reads all game.

Fine voting for T3, don’t have any tangible reason to townread SS, flea I have no real read on

I’d probably kill fsrk next out of the orange pool,

I don’t understand Lexi fearmongering the green, but I guess I’m the one she’s talking about there but at the same time I feel like she should be able to read me pretty well by now but I understand I’ve been kinda awol all game

You're at the bottom of 7 people's names in my list.

As the like, mystery 7th oops you have weird shit around you.

but frankly like, the game probably ends before I look at you.

but you should be in yellow not Green to me.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Did you decipher my crumbs lld

who the fuck do you think i am, cabd? Andrius?

no i don't read crumbs, lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have a sense of what your role is doing though, Notty. And I don't like it. It is spooky.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

how do you expect town LLD reacts, morph? i'm addressing you two as a collective because you don't sign and i can't tell you apart no matter how obvious you say it is. :>

I'll wait for them to answer so not to taint it, but I have words about this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Answering this will likely kick off another twenty pages of back of forth. Do you still want my answer?

Just go on and answer. You won't be right and it'll be whatever, but I'm done yelling. I hate getting angry and this game made me break my anti-rage rule and i'm really upset about it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd, go on and explain what you think town me would have done will you

[Lady Lambdadelta]

At EOD.

That's going to be tricky.

16 players. 5 scum. 9 required to elim.

You think this can work?

IFF we do a consensus scum read, yes it'll work.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No I mean, all we need to do is organize a town quick hammer.

Take the confirmed townies, put everyone who is suspect on T3 or S_S, and have Morph, Bell, Bingle, Notty and... one other? hold their votes.

Put it to 8-1 on T3-Notty

and then have Everyone but 1 person vote for Notty then insta hammer T3.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We could just make the scummiest people do it

That is a recipe for disaster, no?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd, go on and explain what you think town me would have done will you

I think Cabd is done for the night.

But, I think he'd say something to the effect that you would triple down, give your scumreads, and tell him that when you flip town he has to sheep you. Something like that.

Sheep.... what

you're gonna be dead before sheeping my reads becomes a thing?

I don't understand.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cabd, go on and explain what you think town me would have done will you

I think Cabd is done for the night.

But, I think he'd say something to the effect that you would triple down, give your scumreads, and tell him that when you flip town he has to sheep you. Something like that.

Sheep.... what

you're gonna be dead before sheeping my reads becomes a thing?

I don't understand.

Also our scum reads are the same so I don't know what I would triple down on, exactly.

Triple down on agreeing with him?

Also I did triple down on him being wrong by telling him he was wrong.

and he thoguht that was scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Helloooooooo large theme!

I really shouldn't be in this large theme but the temptation was too much. I've been eyeing this game since so long ago wanting a spot and now I finally see a spot and its like I have exams but but Yggdrasil :,(
Anyways, I read like two pages and I'm 95% convinced Morph is scum with LLD. Their convo seems way too overly dramatic which is my only reservation given I dont know if scum would try hard their ass off to that extent. But I mean its Cabd and LLD in a large theme. I don't see why not. I probably messed up SRing Cabd right off the bat since this is generally a more save it for later once you get into the game type of read since Cabdrivers will steamroll my ass with his scum team if he's scum like last time but whatever. I dont really have the time for this game I couldn't stop myself from repping in tho so hopefully I get night killed or something. And uh I will 100% not be reading up so dont even ask. After my exams, if im still alive, I'll try hard this game if im not too brain fried. Uh this game is already moving too fast tbh but I'll try my best and I need to ask unwnd some question about my role pm. Dont worry about me spamming this game. That shouldn't be happening. I'm too busy with ap exams and ya.

Hi Noraa!

Cite the 2 pages please!

And for bonus credit, cite pages in another game where scum us and scum LLD interacted similarly!

don't think i was ever scum with you ffery

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cursed slot

This game sucks dunn

i got angry and now i feel like even if town wins i've lost?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And morph is conftown? what?

Effectively. The mod confirmed that morph submitted a bodyguard action on Artemiana which they forgot to process.

not effecitely. The mod confirmed by the wording that Morph would have flipped town had they been allowed to flip.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cursed slot

This game sucks dunn

i got angry and now i feel like even if town wins i've lost?

We can put that behind us

Personally I feel we should eliminate the person most likely to flip mafia today, and then coordinate shots on the 2nd most likely, in order to stabilize our position

It's S_S and T3. Without much doubt.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Helloooooooo large theme!

I really shouldn't be in this large theme but the temptation was too much. I've been eyeing this game since so long ago wanting a spot and now I finally see a spot and its like I have exams but but Yggdrasil :,(
Anyways, I read like two pages and I'm 95% convinced Morph is scum with LLD. Their convo seems way too overly dramatic which is my only reservation given I dont know if scum would try hard their ass off to that extent. But I mean its Cabd and LLD in a large theme. I don't see why not. I probably messed up SRing Cabd right off the bat since this is generally a more save it for later once you get into the game type of read since Cabdrivers will steamroll my ass with his scum team if he's scum like last time but whatever. I dont really have the time for this game I couldn't stop myself from repping in tho so hopefully I get night killed or something. And uh I will 100% not be reading up so dont even ask. After my exams, if im still alive, I'll try hard this game if im not too brain fried. Uh this game is already moving too fast tbh but I'll try my best and I need to ask unwnd some question about my role pm. Dont worry about me spamming this game. That shouldn't be happening. I'm too busy with ap exams and ya.

Hi Noraa!

Cite the 2 pages please!

And for bonus credit, cite pages in another game where scum us and scum LLD interacted similarly!

don't think i was ever scum with you ffery

Only scum against you a couple times. Cabd on the other hand...which is the point. I'd like at the very least to know which two pages Noraa is talking about.

How about you?

are you asking if i'd like to know cause yes i'd like to know i just thought i'd save the thread some time of looking on their own and since you were the one talking etc

cause i feel like noraa could have come in pretending to not know and done that after reading scum qt, so what knowledge they have exactly would show how pre-meditated it was for this to be done?

idk

or what are you asking me?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That was my gist, and if Noraa meant something from the Tenet game, I'd like to know what that was, too. Because I don't remember any scum theater between you two in that game that looks like you/us interactions in this game, but maybe there was?

I did get some Tenet vibes when you were going on about how we were scum if MC/ND were town. If we didn't die in Arte's place, I expected you to push for our elimination pretty hard today and just hoped we would have a decent read of you from it all.

that was actually a lie intended to try and prevent someone from nightkilling me or you in the case of MC flipping scum, actually.

I really thoguht MC was flipping scum and I thought well okay, MC scum= Morph town= need to get neither of us killed

so I set myself up on that path to try and make scum think you v. me was possible tomorrow as a TVT and not to kill us.

... which is hilarious in hindsight

note that I would have targetted you with my ability were I scum, not Titus, to prevent you from being able to do protection shit.

cause you guys softed it like 3 times

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My pool of three to roll a D6 on for everyone's chip damage:

I mean obviously it's my three red names.

Roll your own D6. Don't use dice tags because that's provable randomness and illegal. Or just pick the one from the list you wanna murder most.

Night Damage

1 or 2: Flea
3 or 4: T3
5 or 6: Something_Smart

I will follow this unless given reason otherwise

Who are we voting for then, if not T3?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In my ideals, one of those 3, and not you

Narrowing it down further than that is not my role today

So we yeet one and shoot the other 2?

Kay.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

bleh

i saw my name earlier when browsing what did you want morph

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD,

Why is/was notsci in your elim-chain?

Also, could you talk about how yesterday's wagons played into your elim-chain?

I have these questions, LLD

Notsci was bonus 7th player because I have reservations about their role allowing them to skip the "vote to make a choice" yesterday and even today they're still sidelined.

The sidelining means they don't need to be judged or tested, just live on clique friendship alone.

So I had people I scumread more but if we got to name 7 and the game wasn't over I figured Notty is probably scum.

As for my elim chain order, I prepared it specifically with putting people on polar opposite of my "scum together" reads away from each other in order, because I acutally didn't expect us to continue down my list if I got one wrong.

So the idea is, put the scummiest of them on top, towniest on bottom, and space them so the people who are unlikely to be scum together are grouped, to minimize "lose the game" potential.

Hence why Sigmund and Notty are in 6 and 7 because if I'm right on all 5, we never get there, and if I'm wrong it's probably one of them. I have something for Chara not scum, I think. I have doubts Dwlee is scum though that's just gut based on yesterday

and Dunn has been in lock step with me all game I just don't see him choosing to pocket me from that early on day 1 over you in a game filled mostly with your friends and not mine.

So that's where the list is and why.

As for how it came into play with vote coutns yesterday,

I think that there's an even split of bussers and opposers, because with an anya death and 2 townies, why NOT split yourselves and hide in the masses. I think at most 2 people on vanity wagons, more liekly 1 could be scum.

So I went from that kind of value and my reads and tried to find patterns that fit.

This is what I found in my list.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Day-elim S_S; split damage evenly towards like, T3 and Noraa, and take Flea's claim at face value as a "must day elim me tomrorow"

Is my optimal.

Vote: S_S

Sure, whatever.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You'd better hope sigmund isn't immune to the redirector you have~

I'm not currently charged to use it anyway, since I used it last night.

Also, ftr? Cabd?

This is taunting. This is what makes me not want to play this game with you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

For the record while yes I didn’t end up voting I still definitely chose a side snd was campaigning and obviously would have joined the wagon at the last minute before my plans

This means so little it can't have its speed and position measured at the same time.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I also spent the day trying to get votes on me and got nothing so I think it’s unfair to call me “coasting off that”

...

that's literally the definition of coasting. You don't need to take a real stance, you play a secret mini game while the rest of us play, and if you are scum, you do it because you know both the other wgaons are on townies so you get the best of both words. You get to "support" one to be seen as "doing something" but you dodge all relevant VCA and when asked about it you shrug your shoulders and go "role mechanics bruh"

That's literally coasting. And has huge scum equity.

Literally it's only that there are 3 obv scum in thread right now that makes you less positive of a target.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

2. Dunnstral
4. White Fire (Shiro/Firebringer) catboi
8. Sigmund
13. WhemeStar
14. notscience
16. Guillotina Dwlee99
18. Flea the Magician
20. Thestatusquo
22. Farkran
24. Something_Smart

Here are a list of 10 of the 16 people I think have scum equity. The others are cleared by role, play, or mechanic.

From here, we need to assume that we have at best 2 miseliminations remaining. At BEST.

so... I'm going to make a list of 6 names an a notable alternate at 7, that I believe, if killed in order, would win town the game without accidentally risking town losing the game (i.e, the list will be semi ordered in preference to avoid multiple dead townies in a row at any point to avoid parity+bonus kill issues)


4. White Fire (Shiro/Firebringer) catboi
8. Sigmund
13. WhemeStar
14. notscience
20. Thestatusquo
22. Farkran
24. Something_Smart

Is the 7, and in order....

S_S
Farkan
Catboi
Wheme
Shea
Sigmund
NotScience

I think if you eliminate that 7 in order, you win the game. Flea probably town from D1 TVT. Dunn town for having a lot of mind meld moments with me, but I don't have much else there. Dwlee town because I feel like Dwlee tried to inject life into yesterday which apathy would have been a better scum move coming in as a replacement with the current things we know.

So this list, in order, kill them, town should win or be in a winning position to re-evaluate who is left.

Has anything in the 7 changed based the last 12 hours or so?

I literally turned my brain off for the last 12 hours, so unless you're counting "me finding Notty's defense of his play suspect because of how much he wants to keep that green read from you through to after you're dead" suspicious... you'll need to point me to shit you want me looking at

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD

s_s's claim wrt to Farkran, and Wheme's play, mostly.

What was S_S's claim?

And quote some Wheme posts you care about

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I’m scum here I have literally no reason to keep appeasing morph so like, lmao

They are townreading me over Bell. The player with a notoriously bad scumgsme (<3 bell).

I thought your reasons were unfair considering while I didn’t vote I was actively engaging around everything and have several interactions with people throughout it.

If you are scum, you appease them by supporting their list if it loses them the game long term because there's enough town in the kill piles to lose.

That's why you do it.

Again, you're #7 on my kill list but posts like this make it clear you are LITERALLY SETUP TO WIN if you are scum and your play you are describing was NOT REALLY PRESENT yesterdsay.

I felt _nothing_ from you and I was PURPOSEFULLY TRYING TO FEEL OUT EVERYONE

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah okay.

As previously mentioned, I'm Troubadour. I have an innate one-shot loyal neighborize, which I used on Fark N1. So he's confirmed town (or he will be once I flip, anyway). I crumbed this (I can pull up the crumb if anyone cares, but it wasn't meant to be found, just for him to point to if I died). I picked him because he was both in everyone's nulls and someone I thought I could work well with (my other candidate was Chara, but I thought Chara was more likely to receive pressure from how they defended Anya).

I also have a one-shot 3 SP ability to make my neighbor's non-damaging actions unblockable for the next night. It is a buff as morph predicted, but not a very useful one.

I have 6 HP. I haven't taken any damage so far. If notsci actually did attack me, then I don't know why it failed.

uhhh

Cool, let's flip S_S and see what we see.

This feels ilke it could have been a planned Gambit between S_S and Farkan to have S_S flip this badly with this claim and see if Farkan can't sneak up into confirmed town territory.

I would be worried if Farkan's response to this included anything about being confirmed town, regardless of S_S flip.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

As I said I hadn’t been present but I’d definitely reached out snd try to talk to you about start of day.

At the end of the day, yeah, if I’m scum snd we follow their list I win. Or, we ask the people who know my meta/look for explanations of it out in the wild to understand it

“But if you know it you can do it” doesn’t really work when I’ve proven I’m aware of it but struggle to replicate it

Can I just say I hate this argument for the record?

We have a list of players in this game who are being townread because they supposedly can't or WON'T improve their scum game and so lean on "well I'm town because my town meta is this and this is how i play when town and i can't replicate it as scum"

If that's true, it's a bannable trust tell. If it's not true, great you finally managed to use this bullshit to do something as scum, so why is everyone still believing it?

Like I refuse to play with that as a reason to read you and I focus on your play and actual outcomes.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Noraa's scum too, incredible.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That's a caught scum response.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Noraa's scum too, incredible.

Look realtalk. If it's not you, it's gonna be {SS-T3-Noraa-Flea-1 more}

If you're town we really need you to focus on the one more, as you've now essentially accepted 3/4ths of the above list.

The last one is Farkan.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Bingle, yes it's why I said what I said. I think it's a gambit to push Farkan farther. I went back and looked and Farkan DID try and make themselves confirmed town after that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Noraa's scum too, incredible.

Look realtalk. If it's not you, it's gonna be {SS-T3-Noraa-Flea-1 more}

If you're town we really need you to focus on the one more, as you've now essentially accepted 3/4ths of the above list.

The last one is Farkan.

In which case, flipping S_S today makes the most sense, right?

Logic me here.

If all of {Noraa-S_S-T3-Flea} are confo scum, who is most dangerous to let live another second?

Flea, because they're the most likely to slip away or be wrong, assuming they're all 100% confirmed scum.

You do S_S, Flea, Noraa, T3 because that's the engagement order.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

NO ONE ELSE VOTE NOTSCI.

LLD's point about you and me holding the hammer and E-1 on the lim is prudent, regardless of her alignment. Our wagon placement is largely irrelevant for analytical purposes.

I'm not sure how I feel about 2 RB claims, one of which also claims to have been RB'd and a jailkeeper soft from non jailkeeper flipped scum, but it does feel significant.

I'm also a roleblocker. I didn't target LLD. I targeted noraa slot last night and my action was a success. Who knows if catboi was being truthful when he claimed to have not done anything just because, considering people are notified when they are blocked.

My role works as follows: I make it so that somebody can only use their attack. This costs 2 sp.

Attack is seen in LLD's claim, here's what I've pieced together:

An innate ability that deals damage is definitely and attack, but it is unclear which or if any of the following are attacks:
-Elemental damage
-Sapping sp
-Factional kill
-Vig shot

My claim matching up with LLD and the night deadline being extended to allow for her to use her ability both point towards the actual role claim being real.

Unfortunately, from my point of view, somebody has to be lying here. Somebody who is angry in the thread, even. Or else, seeing as how LLD is claiming roleblocked and nobody is owning up to it, there would have to be 4 roleblockers in the game.

I think flea is lying, but maybe I'm being dumb. Maybe Morph will see this and vote for LLD.

I'm not sufficiently caffeinated. Can you spell out Flea's lie.

And is voting for LLD what you want to happen?

All I know is that I targeted Titus to S_S and got "not successful". To me, that seems like I was roleblocked.

Unless you have another way for the ability to fail?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

wait, if our ability resolves by modifying things after the initial run of things, Dunn, would our abilities resolve last in order but possibly modify prior abilities?

I.E: If Titus were dead from other abilities that were not modified before my ability got to act, would I get not successful

-_-

I hate this game. brb asking a mod

[Lady Lambdadelta]

... Apparently my result was successful.

Or something.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The mod confirmed to me just now that they gave me the wrong info

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Whatever