Newbie 2068 | Lofi Beats to Play Mafia To | Game Over

[VFP]

Hi, I'm VFP and I have never played with anyone in this player list.

VOTE: No lim

[VFP]

wow did u like forget about me

No Grampa! I would never!

[VFP]

Okay, first of all, very rude initial vote on me. Second, VFP, you've played with me before, I was just running the game. Sorry about the misgame by the way. And the infrequent votecounts. it was my first time, okay?

I think you did fine don't beat yourself up over it.
And don't let it stop you moddong more!

[VFP]

Also, I'm an odd night IC, even night traitor vig.
So any checks on me please only do it on an odd night.

[VFP]

Thats true!
Like this game, if you're scum, you just gotta suck so I can lim you!

[VFP]

I'm Pretty sure everyone in this page so far is town.

[VFP]

For every word Val posted, I'm going to give 1 town point to.
To every word less Grampa posted on his first post to Vals post, I'm giving 1 scum point.

Locked town at 100 town points
Locked scum at 100 scum points.

[VFP]

Okay, Grampa is at 7.

[VFP]

I got to 328 and thats enough for me.

But I think Val can be locked town and Grampa locked scum.

[VFP]

T3 might actually be town. So that's good to know.

[VFP]

Grampa likes to pocket me as scum for the record.
He knows that my only weakness is compliments and calling me town!

It may be too late for me, but you all have to stop... gnnnnhr

Grampa is looking town so far.

Zyla maybe town, I don't see anything scum motivated to point out the no lim and as an experienced player probably just isn't used to this.
T3 has a T3 town start so we'll see.

Thats 3 pages, 3 reads! A read per page!

[VFP]

RVS sucks

[VFP]

RVS sucks

So does a no lim

You take that back!

[VFP]

I have never lost a game with a D1 no lim on here.

[VFP]

They're showing us up, T3.

[VFP]

I mean, it's still true. I haven't lost a game with a D1 no lim.
I have lost a game with a day 1 lim.

[VFP]

No, I don't think a no lim is actually better.
And Zyla is basically hard stuck town for keep pressuring it. Scum Zyla would have backed off by now.

[VFP]

No! Not Grampa! >:|

[VFP]

No! Not Grampa! >:|

Weren't you aware of GrandpaMo's once putting a horse's head in somebody's bed?

Why do you think I kiss the ring?

[VFP]

Zyla you need to ease up more my friend.
T3 isn't one to break rules.

Even if its true, there's no backing to it so there's no trust tell.
But it just looks like a joke to me.

[VFP]

It would also be helpful for me to hear more from the following people: Cook, Mini, VFP

Hello!

[VFP]

Okay, I think I'm ready to vote.

[VFP]

I was just going to sheep NorwegianboyEE.
But I think Grampa is actually just scum here.

[VFP]

I'm listening.

[VFP]

I was just going to sheep NorwegianboyEE.
But I think Grampa is actually just scum here.

what

can u giv reasons? or nah

297 and 299
Felt scummy and just reminded me of you from the last game you were scum.

[VFP]

because u havent done jackshit in the game + u should know my meta lol

and should know im acting my town!grandpa

let me hear those farfetched bs reasons once again

Is this in response to me?

[VFP]

let me hear those farfetched bs reasons once again

Since this was at me.
Can you explain this part?
Where have I had farfetched bullshit reasons on anyone?

[VFP]

Also, I've never played with town you, Grampa? Other than a game I replaced into where you were dead.
Why should I know this is town you?

[VFP]

What about the number 7?

[VFP]

7 just seems more serious than 8 to me.

[VFP]

[VFP]

You call it coasting.
I call it laying low and trying to avoid being scum read.

[VFP]

Page top

[VFP]

I call it laying low and trying to avoid being scum read.

Why is that important to a townie?

I don't want to be the lim today >:|

[VFP]

VOTE: VFP

i'm alright with this

This is a dishonourable betrayal!

[VFP]

Should I claim I want to die then?

[VFP]

Should I hammer?

[VFP]

I'm waiting for Grampa go away >:|

[VFP]

Let's.just see what long post Gramps does in result and lim there.

[VFP]

Thats scummy of T3 to unvote there.

[VFP]

Thats scummy of T3 to unvote there.

Why is it scummy to unvote you?

Because he wants to me to shot posting and give something. As soon as I prepare to he unvotes me.
So it shows that his reasons were false.

Plus I don't believe T3 didn't realise that was just E1... someone pointing it out followed the by unvote is to not look scummy.

[VFP]

I am decidedly uneasy about Cook's sudden reappearance, with a vote, just as VFP starts to make themselves look suspicious.

Some of VFP's posts do be making me nervous, not gonna lie.

You only need to be nervous if scum.

[VFP]

T3, why do I not lim you here?

[VFP]

What?

Basically, if you're town, no need to be nervous I won't be getting you.

[VFP]

Are you just attacking everyone now to put pressure off yourself?

In what sense?
I have Grampa as scum and I pushed T3 for the unvote.

[VFP]

What?

Basically, if you're town, no need to be nervous I won't be getting you.

That's not at all what you said.

Yes it is.

[VFP]

You only need to be nervous if scum.

Basically, if you're town, no need to be nervous I won't be getting you.

You okay there?

[VFP]

That first post sounded accusatory.

You as in anyone.
It's how things are said where I'm from.

[VFP]

The vote was like 50% joke and 50% fuck-it-why-not-vote-this-guy.

I don't believe you.
If town you know I'm going to be beneficial in some way or another here. I don't believe you didn't realise it was E1 and that your reasoning is for fun.

[VFP]

T3, where do you think I'm going with Grampa here?

[VFP]

T3 is also T1 and T2.

[VFP]

I just want to make it clear. At this point I've played more games with T3 than anyone else.
I have a pretty good understanding to how T3 plays and T3 the same for me.

T3 should know what my gripe with Grampa is here if town.

[VFP]

From the aliensitter game?

This game.

[VFP]

T3 should know what my gripe with Grampa is here if town.

Can you explain it to us plebeians that are not chummies with you or T3?

I will.
I want T3 and Grampa to add input first though.

[VFP]

Okay, fair, but do you at least agree that if we all did it we'd be in a bit of a problem?
How about specific questions instead of general please for content? Early in the game you gave town reads on Grandpa as well as Zyla and T3 to a lesser extent. Since then you've changed your stance on Grandpa for reasons you outlined recently.

Are your opinions on Zyla and T3 still the same?

I'm going to ignore the bold part.
I don't think it would be a problem personally. Day 1 you have more chance of a scum lim if you all follow the first vote down. Day 2 is when we can get rolling.
If you're not using meta Day 1, you're guessing, and I don't care how you go around to find another path, it's the same.

[VFP]

From the aliensitter game?

This game.

I mean like you sred grandpa by meta because he was scum in the aliensittergame.
Honestly I do not know.

>:|

[VFP]

So you think I scum read Grampa because Grampa was scum before?

[VFP]

In before James comes along and drops the hammer on this...

What.

Missed your chance!

[VFP]

No, but you think he is playing the same is what I gathered.

No that's more of a side feeling.
Grampa is trying to use false expectation on me. Buy saying I should know how town Grampa plays is an attempt to manipulate me into doubt. But as stated I don't think I've played with Grampa town.
There's a difference of knowing is someone is playing as town or scum and if they understand the motive that they are going for when it comes to meta.

The next part was about my reads being bullshit or a stretch. I forget the wording but it's the same meaning. I hadn't really gave any reads this game outside of you and Zyla (the Grampa town read was a joke that no one picked up on although it seemed pretty obvious to me). I don't think that my reasoning to you and Zyla were bad or out there.
If Grampa means from our last game, my reasoning was right and it helped in getting his scum buddy to be the lim. It wasn't even really out there.
So again, this is just an attempt to mix AtE with manipulation. This is what Grampa basically did last game as scum, while the game I replaced in with dead Grampa, he wasn't like this at all (I don't want to set this a stone as I would have to re read this so take that minor part as NAI).

[VFP]

vfp i still think ur town so just look at me day 2 and vote james today pls

Stop trying to pull at my heart strings and answer my posts to you!

[VFP]

VFP: who were you planning on voting for in 317?

I was.goibg to sheep and vote you.
Then I was going to vote Grampa but Grampa had to go before talking to me

[VFP]

vfp i still think ur town so just look at me day 2 and vote james today pls

Stop trying to pull at my heart strings and answer my posts to you!

im sorry it may seem like im in a rush

i will get to them eventually

No rush at all from my side.
I'm off to bed soon anyway. I just want your mindset of the comments really.

[VFP]

this flip will tell us alot of info regardless of allignment.

What does it tell you each flip?

[VFP]

so u vote zyla possible scum in ur eyes but vote me who also thinks zyla is possible scum? what?

No I just town read NorwegianboyEE and Zyla was calling me scum and hurting my feelings.

[VFP]

1. a james flip will tell the interactions between zyla. if james flips town ..... zyla is probably scum af

2. if james flips scum then, then me + alstro + val (possible bus from val tho) looks towny.

same with zyla and me.

That's a fair way to see it.
I havent really interacted with James at all though, so a scum flip should put me in the PoE pool right?

[VFP]

Hi.

Hello!

[VFP]

I don't see the reason for James scum either.
James looks town to me.

[VFP]

I don't see the reason for James scum either.
James looks town to me.

who do u think my partner is? if i were scum

I guess Cook or T3.
But not really because you're scum... I'm just town reading alot of people.

[VFP]

hmm... this reminds me of the sitatuion in alien where you had to scumread someone because they were in deeepwolf. UR JUST GETTING REVENGE THATS WHY UR SCUMREADING ME LOL

dw tho im not actually scum this game.

i would scumreading u rn if i were honestly

It's really not that.
I'm not one to hold anything over another game, and personally I like you!
I do feel like I draw a lot of scum to claim a town read me though with how I play.
The wagon on me I was actually thinking it was a town wagon until T3 jumped off.

I don't think scum you pushes me as scum though (even if town doesnt). I'm proven as a stubborn player so getting that un needed heat from me isn't needed, and just let me self implode instead is the way to go.

[VFP]

t3 the person who i scumread?

You scum read half the game

[VFP]

wrong i said scum between james + zyla

and possible scumpartner t3, or cook

Thats still 4/8 though!
We both know giving multiple names as scum is a popular thing.

Scum have to keep options open after all.
But yeah, if you're scum you will do whatever we were talking about (I forget) with whatever it was!

[VFP]

@vfp and u townread this man

smh.

just like look there iso vs mine.

I've done a lot tonight! I'm too tired and in going to bed!
I'll look again day 4.

[VFP]

I'm ready to vote now...

VOTE: Grampa

[VFP]

Page 24 is prime voting page.

[VFP]

Are you claiming VT?

[VFP]

Best case, we get scum
Worst case we get VT

Although I do love a VT claim at it comes from town more than scum, I don't think unvoting here is optimal.

[VFP]

I'll think it over while I sleep.

[VFP]

I feel like if you're town Grampa, we actually have similar way of thinking.

[VFP]

i played poorly as town this game and honestly it just upsets me.

i apologize to anyone i made uncomfortable or the game unenjoyable

Save the AtE for post game my friend! It means nothing without a flip

[VFP]

I feel like if you're town Grampa, we actually have similar way of thinking.

ig yea? intiuitave thought? but in the last game i played wit u where u were scum, u pocketed me and it just turned out that i was just townreading u wrong af

i was like we were having the same thoughts and stuff but turned out i was wrong and u were actually scum lol

What game was I scum for you?

[VFP]

I think Grampa is still just scum here

[VFP]

I've never been scum to Grampa and neither have I ever pocketed them!
It's emotional blackmail! That's what it is!

[VFP]

Go for it!

[VFP]

It's fine I won't kill you

I hope you don't die! >:|

[VFP]

If you don't want to hammer yet we have plenty of time.

Personally I want to keep Grampa at E1 because regardless of alignment scum either go quiet or act wierd with Grampa tied up in front of us.

[VFP]

I've seen enough horror movies to know never look back.

[VFP]

635 makes me wish I was the hammer.

[VFP]

Is it normal to feel a little burnt out on page 26 or have I been putting too much time in

This is a heavy reading game compared to most.
Also normally in newbies there's mostly a lim by this point... so it gets better!

[VFP]

635 makes me wish I was the hammer.

I'm sure you do, given that not knowing what the hell YOU (VFP) were playing at yesterday is the biggest red flag that makes me think we might be barrelling towards a mislim here.

You call it hell, I call it finding scum.
You're welcome.

[VFP]

Grampa you need to make your mind up if I'm scum or not.
You try to pull at my heart strings, don't get the result and shade me as scum.

I'm okay if you want to say I'm scum, but let's not do the little dance!

You talk about James ignoring your questions.
I'm yet to receive answers from you.

[VFP]

Grampa is just scum here.
Look at the change of attitude from being E1 to now.

It was a panic emotional blackmail attempt. As soon as it looks like someone is fighting his corner, the confidence starts to come out with just shade.
Scum shade, let's not forget this.

[VFP]

let me hear those farfetched bs reasons once again

Since this was at me.
Can you explain this part?
Where have I had farfetched bullshit reasons on anyone?

Also, I've never played with town you, Grampa? Other than a game I replaced into where you were dead.
Why should I know this is town you?

Since you are talking about people ignoring you Grampa.
You haven't answered these yet.

[VFP]

You call it hell, I call it finding scum.
You're welcome.

I am trying to think how making yourself appear scummy assists town in finding scum, but I am struggling.

Is this another one of those things I'm just going to be told "you will understand later, newb", or is there an established argument for it?

It's just a good way to see who reacts to it and how.
You say I was playing scummy, I say I was baiting, and it worked.

If anyone ever says to you it's a learn later thing because you're a newb, they are just talking a load of trash majority of the time. Everyone plays different. And that's just a side note.
Meta is one of your strongest tools.

[VFP]

james

Grampa

seems to ignore it and

disappears

everytime gets pressured.

Fixed.

[VFP]

So I knew I remembered Grampa playing like this before.

so pls explain to me, why the all sudden change. oh i bet you wont answer this question too like all the other questions you have ignorned or deflected. that has cause the anti town behavior in you to shine.

In this game Grampa was scum and basically did the same here with a lot of posts saying that someone won't answer or doing the same as telling someone to answer when they had.
The entire game Grampa just pushed T3, and kept calling me town with sprinkles of shade on me. Also kept shading other players.

If.you have some time it's worth reading Gramps's ISO because the play is very much the same.
I thought I re called Grampa saying about someone should know their town game but I couldn't find it and I'm not on my PC for look it up.

[VFP]

I mean in the game where Grampa flipped scum.
But that post you pulled up is the strange post Grampa.

Look at the attack to my reasoning before I have given any. I'm pretty sure that in the scum game of Grampa he plays the same card but I couldn't see it looking through quickly.

[VFP]

T3 town reading Grampa there is odd too considering he was the prime target from Scum Grampa just makes me suspect T3 more.

The team could just be T3 and Grampa. I'm not completely at the level to gladiator it, but I'm pretty close with Grampa.

[VFP]

Regardless I was supposed to go to bed over an hour ago but I got caught reading into scum Grampa.
So good night!

[VFP]

I'm busy so I'll be quick.

Grampa knew Cook was voting and the response about being hammered is so fake. You can also tell where no progression is even made after being 'hammered. If Grampa was town here, then the emotion in game would be real and it wouldbe just be a 'oh I guess I'm hammered response.

Grampa has also straight up lied but first of all saying he didn't see my questions even though he already responses a few days ago saying that he will respond to then.
Claiming to only having a town read on me, even though he has shaded a few times.

And the biggest thing here, he's still refusing to answer my questions?

T3 is only popping in to try and say town, and I'm pretty sure this is just scum T3 with Grampa.
Grampa has claimed in the past that town Grampa never claims VT, so T3 to just be accepting on this makes me think it's a fake opinion from T3.

[VFP]

I would love for T3 to claim masons with Grampa here.

[VFP]

Grampa still out right refusing to answer my questions.

[VFP]

Thats not answering my questions Grampa.
Why would I know this is town you? You said I should know its town you, not that I should meta check you.

And the part about you being frustrated is just a pile of bollocks.
You even say again that my play style is to call you scum for no reason or weak reason. Where do I do this? Are you saying that my town game I do this?

[VFP]

Those answers were just clear dodging answers.
It's a bitch when you get called out for what you're using as scum reads on others, eh?

[VFP]

the one in red was true tho - not dodging anything. i answered ur question truthfully

Explain what type of play I am then.
Because you said "people like you" meaning that this is a common thing from me.

[VFP]

Okay, Grampa is just screaming scum now.

[Post]827[post] is a politician response. Doesn't answer and just re directs to a different point.
Let me confirm.

Grampa said I should know his town game.
I challenge why
Grampa is saying my question is unapproachable and basically only says I should read a town game of his.
The original statement from Grampa is that I should town read them. Me asking why is a logical question that can be answered easily if town. For example "you should know I do X as town". The problem is, when Grampa said I should know this is town him, he was trying to manipulate me.

The Second part, is this.
Grampa wants to know what my reasons are and implies that my reasoning is shit.
I challenge this
Grampa says that people like me don't give reasons or weak reasons and this was said because he was frustrated.
I challenge this again.
Grampa does AtE and only focuses on how would I know if he is frustrated.

You can see the key points that Grampa initiated are being ignored here.

Get this politician off the stand! Boo! Boo Grampa!

[VFP]

Okay, Grampa is just screaming scum now.

827 is a politician response. Doesn't answer and just re directs to a different point.
Let me confirm.

Grampa said I should know his town game.
I challenge why
Grampa is saying my question is unapproachable and basically only says I should read a town game of his.
The original statement from Grampa is that I should town read them. Me asking why is a logical question that can be answered easily if town. For example "you should know I do X as town". The problem is, when Grampa said I should know this is town him, he was trying to manipulate me.

The Second part, is this.
Grampa wants to know what my reasons are and implies that my reasoning is shit.
I challenge this
Grampa says that people like me don't give reasons or weak reasons and this was said because he was frustrated.
I challenge this again.
Grampa does AtE and only focuses on how would I know if he is frustrated.

You can see the key points that Grampa initiated are being ignored here.

Get this politician off the stand! Boo! Boo Grampa!

[VFP]

Wait, you can just use the tag "post" 838 and have the links inserted automatically? I've been manually copying the URL this entire time

And knowing is half the battle!

[VFP]

it just seems like a lot of wishwashy inconsistent bs.

I pushed T3 all day, day 1 and hard defended my mafia partner

That was the point I was trying to make. Me as scum wouldn't make us obviously paired here. Unless you resonante about wifom?

[VFP]

I'm telling you now, it's just Grampa and T3.

[VFP]

However, I am okay to do a 1 for 1 gladiator challenge as I'm 100% on Grampa.

[VFP]

If Grampa is genuine and thinks I'm scum we can agree that there is scum 100% in us and he will put me to E1 to claim.

[VFP]

Grampa accepts that there's 100% scum in me or Grampa or naww?

[VFP]

Come on Grampa, put me to E1 and I'll claim.

[VFP]

If Grampa goes quiet now, take that as a scum claim.

[VFP]

Grampa vote me or its a scum claim.

[VFP]

Notice how Grampa has been shading and calling me scum the last 10 pages but won't put me to E1 to even claim?

Scum Grampa is in panic mode I'm telling you.

[VFP]

I am going to full claim at E1. Let's make that clear.
Where is Grampa's vote? >:|

[VFP]

It's like everyone is scared of what I'm about to claim

[VFP]

Nice try Zyla, I'm someone who pays attention to votes.

[VFP]

Yes, this is very good.
I'm also thinking of adapting my pool of Grampa buddies which I'll explain soon.

Notice how the votes come over quickly and

everyone

disappears?

[VFP]

I can ensure you now that scum are talking about how they fucked up.
And trying to think of a response here.

[VFP]

I also see the view counter going up meaning someone is coming in and out without posting.

[VFP]

Nah, it's scum trying to see what happens.
I rattled the cage though!

[VFP]

I claim VT

VOTE: VFP

So this is the difference. Scum pretend to want to self hammer here like Grampa did.
I'm proven to always reveal my alignment on hammer town or scum and I'm claiming town here.

There are 3 lock town.

Zyla
Val
James

Alstro is town lean

Meh is
NorwegianboyEE
Cook
Mainly for saving Grampa here.

T3 is scum lean

Grampa is scum 100% get this right a lot more time than now when I I virtually accept a 1v1 here. Grampa has been lying and is playing just like his scum game.

I will always trade 1 for 1 to get scum. Remember that.

[VFP]

And I had that typed up.
So I say lim Grampa. 100% scum.

Then I say the last scum is 100% in T3 Cook and Nweee.

[VFP]

WHAT JUST HAPPENED - IM SO LOST

I don't fuck around when I'm confident on scum, Grampa.
T3 knows this, and T3 knows I'm right a lot more than I'm wrong.

So if T3 still goes against it, it's just T3.

[VFP]

I'm telling you all now. Do not believe his AtE its 100% fake.
I've pointed out his lies this entire time.

[VFP]

I'm proven to never lie about my alignment on hammer lol

[VFP]

Reminder, do not let Grampa live tomorrow.
He will AtE like he has today. And probably call the next person pushing him as scum.

[VFP]

Yeah until it's locked.

[VFP]

It's actually the best time to post.

[VFP]

I'm telling you now, scum scattered and thought I was claiming a PR there.

[VFP]

You wouldn't believe me if I told you I figured out what was about to happen, would you?

What's that?

[VFP]

I'm telling you now, scum scattered and thought I was claiming a PR there.

nah as town ik u would do sum shit like this

Nice, how would you know that?

[VFP]

You are acting like I have played scum with you so many times before?

nah as town ik u would do sum shit like this

[VFP]

But what was the "oh" moment?

[VFP]

Grampa you're caught scum lol.

[VFP]

I have shown why you have lied, contradicted and ignored anything on you.

[VFP]

Because you're already caught and I'm already proven

[VFP]

Is he already trying his best to dodge the lim tomorrow?

Yes. Now bringing up posts that I've already responded to.

[VFP]

I have shown why you have lied, contradicted and ignored anything on you.

actually no you haven't. you said i keep lying but never point to prove. you ask questions, and i have answered everything + plsu gave you extra theory and tips so u could see possible town me in ur eyes

I said why you were lying several times.
You just lied again.

[VFP]

Look at how Grampa is posting towards me now.
Thats not town posting towards someone who just said I'm still flipping scum

[VFP]

Is he already trying his best to dodge the lim tomorrow?

Yes. Now bringing up posts that I've already responded to.

again lying here. u never respoined to anything i have asked u

I responded to your posts. You're responses were dodges from my questions and I pointed this out.

You're fucked tomorrow Grampa no way around it.

[VFP]

where is ur response to this? no where

But there's nothing different there to what I already said you were dodging.
You said I should read you as town.
You then say I should read your game to see you as town.

That's 2 different statements.

[VFP]

ur flipping scum in like 30 mins lol .

I've been on this site for many years.
I can tell you all that this is scum that is trying to go for the "omg I didn't know".

Just read over the last 10 pages.

Something that scum Grampa does is repeat the same shot even when it's said, double posts and spams the thread to make it more confusing.

For this I will not address Grampa from here on out and prove he will try to drone out this post.

Grampa has lied a fuck ton in this game, and the AtE is so fake my fish could tell it wasn't genuine.

[VFP]

Just remember how smart Dolphins actually are!

[VFP]

VFP accidentally self-hammers by posting nearly simultaneously with Grandpa.

It wasnt an.accident.
It's a trade.

[VFP]

I'm just going to say, Grampa.
If your only play as scum is to use AtE, it just feels a bit disgusting to me.
AtE to me is something that should be boarder line outside influence when used like this, but that's just my opinion.

[VFP]

Done get me wrong, using it to act naive or surprised isn't an issue. Even to occasionally act frustrated like town would be...
But if its your only go to and used 50+ times in a single game day, there's something very wrong.

[VFP]

ive been ignorning u and this thing about AtE, but idek what u are talking bout now

Appeal to Emotion
An appeal to emotion is a particularly devious sort of fallacious argument, particularly in a game of unknowns such as Mafia. "If you eliminate me, you'll lose!" is an easy example, but there are many others, played by both/all Factions in most games at some point. The nature of the game lends itself to appeals to fear or hope or trust.

This tactic is in general very effective against people who are not aware of it. As such, deploying it in a Mafia game with experienced players tends to backfire, as they'll be aware that you're trying to manipulate them, behaviour which is more typically seen coming from scum than from town.

[VFP]

No, you don't.
And I stand by what I said.

[VFP]

I can see why you think it works and it's your only go to.
I've played enough games to know what you're doing isn't genuine. I've seen the same pattern of responses from angry / confused / sad etc etc many, and I mean many times.

The response from the fake hammer you slipped up several times showing that your emotion was genuine as annoyed or upset to be hammered. You are doubling down each time you say you believed it was a hammer.

I don't standardly use AtE as reasoning in games but it's all you offer. I could pull up over 50 posts from today where you are trying the AtE. You know exactly what you are trying to do.

I get playing to the end as scum, and I will always appreciate people that play as scum until the very end... but what you do is no different to me saying "sorry I couldn't post for the last 2 days because my cat died" when I don't even own a cat.
It's just boarder line outside influence and I really think you need to adjust this in the future.
You don't have even half as much AtE in your town games. Take it as you will, throw some more AtE my way, claim I didn't answer you just because the answer isn't being nice over it... I can see through it, and you're general scum meta will be considered as AtE.

[VFP]

Well done town.
Nice try scum.

Thanks for modding Nahdia

[VFP]

Yeah I made a mistake.
I was going to be the the lim regardless though in actual fact it didn't change anything, but it's about learning the shit you do wrong and improving on it.

It was a mistake that should have been taken advantage of though, and personally I think James would have been the best N1 kill for day 1 play alone.
So it worked out well in the end. The other solution I guess is let Grampa run James up day 1 and get a claim, which wouldn't have been a self hammer from me but more of a town losing a PR and probably a scum lim of back and fourth day day 2.

[VFP]

James would have been an very good mislim to save for later if he wasn’t PR.
It’s easy to act wise after knowing all of the facts, but James really didn’t show any signs indicating he was a power role.

I disagree, James looked strong town and to have his head screwed on.
Zyla and Val were also obvious town but James looked the bigger threat. You should aim to kill who will do the most damage against you as scum imo.

Zyla kill wasn't bad, but I think you could have manipulated Zyla more so later game.

Thats no discredit to Zyla though.

[VFP]

How do you think I could have acted less as a threat?

I'm probably not the best person to ask in fairness.
I don't think how you played was bad at all and it was the opposit imo.

Stabdardly how to draw the night kill chances less as a PR? Don't get town read day 1 I guess lol.

[VFP]

Whenever i asked anything Nahdia hit me with a stick :<

[VFP]

You think so? It was a town win as long as I didn't die N2.

This game was won with mechanics is basically what you're saying.

Yes, mechanics based upon T3 being confscum. Which to me he was.

I don't think just mechanically.
You can argue mainly mechanics if someone wants to but you made the play to confirm yourself as town instead of aiming for scum.

Mechanics involved but you by far out played scum there. If anyone wants to go at it without mechanics, then just join a mountainous game.
Scum didn't cash in on my my error like they should have and killed the wrong targets, that's on them, not down to mechanics.

Don't take anything away from your efforts this game.