Mini Normal 2262: NbITGBSMoD [game over]

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Dwlee

because ,why not?

[Scorpious]

VOTE: wavemode for not having a voting reason

No reason and also the 3rd consecutive vote on hockey..

[Scorpious]

Oops did I just end RVS?

[Scorpious]

What is different between fireisredsir and surye in that regard?

I like this question a lot, dk if I would call them town already tho

This post really comes off as a wasted early scum post. It grammatically equates to nothing.

[Scorpious]

Greeting,
We need a centered Stephen a VS DWLEE stat!!!

Also, Stephen is my new favorite player, I read every post in his voice.

[Scorpious]

Oh before I go
VOTE: Scorpius
I'm pretty sure he literally scum slipped by saying him and greeting should try to play into our fight

Read 142 and tell me what the hell that means other than my interpretation of it (but don't post it til Scorpius explains it himself)

If you actually want to vote scum go here, Stephen

have we played one game yet where you don't park a vote on me for like 5 straight days? lol

and stop acting like you dont like Greeting's centered avatar expertise..

[Scorpious]

can we get a "lay off the weed one"?




PLEEEEASSEE??

[Scorpious]

I refuse to give anyone the benefit of the doubt even people who haven't posted yet (Don't think I don't see you lurking out there T3)

If you want me to townread you you better bring the goods.

speaking of townreads, who do you TR anyways

absolutely noone has done enough to earn a townread from me.

what does Lebron think?

[Scorpious]

VOTE: HockeyFan

Naked RVS votes suck btw just so you know, it takes zero effort to literally write ANYTHING.

just want to say, why are pages 3-6 the funniest shit I've ever read

I'm crying right now

Thats fantastic, how does this progress the game ?

okay

fire and stephen are probably town here

greeting and dwlee are slightly town pinging me

VOTE: 0verki11

"probably" and "slightly" mean nothing, you may have just not posted this.. tells us nothing on how you are thinking,

then another seemingly random vote?

ah, no real reason tbh. gut?

gut.. so....? "Random"?

Why would Steven do this as scum?

"to seem townie" is the simple answer to any question of the form "why would he do that as scum?" ...

What part of impersonating somone "seems townie" to you?

100% true

that's why my townlean on stephen has absolutely nothing to do with him going after dwlee

Then why are you town leaning on them?

[Scorpious]

scorpious are you scum this game

I'm just curious

no.

now answer the questions please.

[Scorpious]

also I don't tr Hockey for realz 27,28 come from maf not town

why

this is a bad response

both these posts are kinda bad tbh

[Scorpious]

tbh this entire interaction doesnt seem AI at all

Am I really the only one that finds this bad?

Stephan had a list of scumreads for ??? reason. DW was pissed b/c he was on it and it was unexplained. It's content. Deciphering wich alignment the content comes from can be tricky but just throwing your hands up and saying that it was meaningless is dumb


and scummy

Calling it scummy is a bit of a stretch I dont think DW was pissed I think he genuinely was curious. Also the fantastic presentation was probably jarring. I’m honored to have been included.

I don’t think anyone should be taking anything AI out of that entire exchange based on the ridiculousness of it all.
Personally. That slot is one of my favorites ever. Props to whoever is behind it.

[Scorpious]

And first real town lean for me goes to wavemode.

[Scorpious]

One job Greeting …. One..

[Scorpious]

tbh this entire interaction doesnt seem AI at all

Am I really the only one that finds this bad?

Stephan had a list of scumreads for ??? reason. DW was pissed b/c

he

]was on it and it was unexplained. It's content. Deciphering wich alignment the content comes from can be tricky but just throwing your hands up and saying that it was meaningless is dumb


and scummy

Calling it scummy is a bit of a stretch I dont think DW was pissed I think he genuinely was curious. Also the fantastic presentation was probably jarring. I’m honored to have been included.

I don’t think anyone should be taking anything AI out of that entire exchange based on the ridiculousness of it all.
Personally. That slot is one of my favorites ever. Props to whoever is behind it.

My bad DW

[Scorpious]

The playstyle reminds me of House.

The meme game is there..

[Scorpious]

Re: "The exchange"

I've been in DWlee's shoes recently. Stephen would argue the color of the sky with them. Every time a legit answer is run in a circle it gives someone a chance to misrep the original answer. I don't like what he's doing. The entire character(Stephen) and more likely than not the game opening, and maybe even the entire game is already being played as some sort of gambit. its all pre meditated. Not saying thats AI at all because obviously there is no way to know what they will roll,but I feel this character would have been installed regardless of green or red.


For anyone that may not know the Real Stephen A Smith is famous here in the US for being a master debater on pro sports,and his style is known to rile people up. It's his schtick. Is House a sports fan? Cause even the sports references are correct. When I asked for the "lay off the weed quote" BOOM! It was there

I am a little surprised DW would care so much,and I don't think they were expecting the length of what was about to happen. But again, I'm not used to DW Omgussing like that,that seems out of character. but I think they were talking to a wall at this point,and from the looks of it I'm probably next. yay..

Side not I'm a little wary of anyone who says there are ignoring it because it's the most signifficant exchange up to this point.

[Scorpious]

I've been in DWlee's shoes recently. Stephen would argue the color of the sky with them. Every time a legit answer is run in a circle it gives someone a chance to misrep the original answer. I don't like what he's doing. The entire character(Stephen) and more likely than not the game opening, and maybe even the entire game is already being played as some sort of gambit. its all pre meditated. Not saying thats AI at all because obviously there is no way to know what they will roll,but I feel this character would have been installed regardless of green or red.

I am unsatisfied with Dwlee's answer to my question. I wouldn't be surprised if they are actually mafia here.

shtick aside, wouldn't it be easier to just say that,maybe try again and move on? See, I love this character. But I'm trying to figure out right now if your slot is about it or the game more.

[Scorpious]

And for the record. I disagree with their reasonings for you being scummy. I'm bothered by how matter of factly they said you repped into a scum slot.

[Scorpious]

absurd

Skip Bayless says hi

The only regret I have in life is that he ran away from me before I could fire his ass like I did Max Kellerman.

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS?!?!

WHAT??????? THE UMPIRE KNOCKED DAK OVER. DAK WAS READY. THE UMPIRE WAS LATE!!! HE DID NOT DO HIS JOB QUICKLY ENOUGH. COWBOYS SHOULD'VE HAD ONE SHOT AT THE END ZONE FROM THE 20. DOABLE!!! JUST ABSURD.

you dont QB draw with 20 seconds to go on the clock with no timeouts..

[Scorpious]

your list has no weight behind it, so it has no stakes. you can move away from any of those reads at any time without consequence because you didn't put any reasoning behind them. if any of the reads end up looking like good directions to push, you can come up with reasons for them later. you even said that your list was fluid

so why is that scum indicative? you think I'm supposed to have rock solid reads on page three and not re-evaluate as the game unfolds?

It's AI because its a hedge list based on nothing,and its on like page 3 and regardless of what happens you have left every possible out for yourself.like all of them. Thats why it's scummy.

[Scorpious]

wavemode and fire are my early tr's.

Time to commute

[Scorpious]

wavemode and fire are my early tr's.

Time to commute

what about wave's 214 did u find town? Im not really sure how this post changes your read on them

I felt the answers were genuinely written. There was no defiance in any of it. My main reason for that line of question was to get more of a tone.and writing style. Not necessarily concrete information.

I like to look at things a little differently when I play. Of course there are the mechanics and rules and whatnot but so many people neglect other things like tone.

I also watch the games for changes in a writer’s punctuation. It can be a great tell, especially if it varies.
I(we) all have a solid baseline on how wave writes when they feel relaxed and not under a lot of pressure.

[Scorpious]

wavemode and fire are my early tr's.

Time to commute

what about wave's 214 did u find town? Im not really sure how this post changes your read on them

I felt the answers were genuinely written. There was no defiance in any of it. My main reason for that line of question was to get more of a tone.and writing style. Not necessarily concrete information.

I like to look at things a little differently when I play. Of course there are the mechanics and rules and whatnot but so many people neglect other things like tone.

I also watch the games for changes in a writer’s punctuation. It can be a great tell, especially if it varies.
I(we) all have a solid baseline on how wave writes when they feel relaxed and not under a lot of pressure.

I agree they were genuinely written but how does saying stuff like "You're right" or "It doesnt" lean more towards town then it does mafia? that's the part I dont get. It's intresting to me that you TR that post based off the tone, cuz it didnt really tell me much, can u expand on this

and FTR, i do find the post towny but because of the actual content he said on the last line: "like, the actual towniest thing stephen has done this game was posting a list of scumreads and offering zero explanation for them

It's not that they HAD no explanation. The reads did have reasoning behind them. But in that moment he didn't particularly care to justify them nor care what people thought about them, even when challenged about it. I think that tends to come from town more than mafia"(this just seems town)

Fwiw, I am very slow to make reads I feel confident in. So I am very ok with the list with no explanation.
I have to go on reads because my mech game is horrid. If setup equations start showing up, I check out.

And as I said the responses are noted and of course useful. But more a by product of info this early.

[Scorpious]

I felt the answers were genuinely written. There was no defiance in any of it. My main reason for that line of question was to get more of a tone.and writing style. Not necessarily concrete information.

I like to look at things a little differently when I play. Of course there are the mechanics and rules and whatnot but so many people neglect other things like tone.

i don't really scumread wave for the post, but i did think it was interesting that he said that he townread steve for offering zero explanation for his reads, feeling no need to justify himself, etc., when wave did that very same thing himself in the same post. it feels a little too clean and lines up too nicely, ya know? seemed like it could have been intentional, doing the same thing that he is then saying is a townie thing to do. i do think he could have done it as town, but i think it's not giving him enough credit to townread him for the post

This is fair. It’s also timing. I’m more apt to accept it in the very early stages of the game where one exchange can change multiple reads on multiple detail. I would naturally expect more explanation as time progresses.

[Scorpious]

Why would Steven do this as scum?

"to seem townie" is the simple answer to any question of the form "why would he do that as scum?" ...

Hated the hockey's question. Liked the answer given. Such an absurd question to ask.

To be honest, I've seen that play countless times. Hiding in plain sight,flood the thread,thigs like that. Its human nature to suspenct the quiet ones over the verbose ones. and if Stephen is who I think it is... it is 100% NAI


Doing whatever he did is not the way scum wants to "seem townie". Like imagine this, you, a player seemingly thrust yourself into the thread and cause chaos to give yourself more attention then originally. Why would you do that as scum?

[Scorpious]

idk why that happened, but I was replaying to FA

[Scorpious]

Why would Steven do this as scum?

"to seem townie" is the simple answer to any question of the form "why would he do that as scum?" ...

Hated the hockey's question. Liked the answer given. Such an absurd question to ask.

To be honest, I've seen that play countless times. Hiding in plain sight,flood the thread,thigs like that. Its human nature to suspenct the quiet ones over the verbose ones. and if Stephen is who I think it is... it is 100% NAI

Doing whatever he did is not the way scum wants to "seem townie". Like imagine this, you, a player seemingly thrust yourself into the thread and cause chaos to give yourself more attention then originally. Why would you do that as scum?

this was my response just in case anyone gets confused.

[Scorpious]

Can't follow the way you sorted him for yourself. seems so lacking of a slot to sort for me yet

I was very explicit in the rationale behind my questions, "sorting" was just more of a by product.

[Scorpious]

You town read him for honesty about admitting with putting random votes and making random comments? or did you find something else in his process that made sense to you about how he is progressing the game for himself?

my town read came from prose and syntax, I know thats not common way of playing this game but that's how I do it. because i lack other skills, mainly mech knowledge.

I play a lot of poker and people lie to your face all the time, so you learn to ignore what people say and focus more on how they say it. I try to apply the same concept here.

[Scorpious]

explain please. what in their syntax was towny for you?

I've already said all this, please read, I'm not trying to be rude, but I said this all last night.

Came off as relaxed with no pressure felt, no real feel of anything being typed then deleted then retyped, and as I said it establishes a baseline for essentially all of us if they happen to change it up.

[Scorpious]

I read the previous posts.

The thing for me is that they were not under any sort of pressure though. The questions were very straightforward and they came up with the simplest answers to all of them that couldn't reflect their anxiety in any way. I was just trying to see what you saw there and can't.

I trust and understand people have different methods to pursue in a mafia game and most of them reach valid conclusions many times from different points of view. I respect that so I'm not gonna call your read baseless but in the meantime, I can't follow your thought process on it at all.

Also as I said. I take a very long time in forming reads I feel confident about They can change in a heartbeat . This sentence could change your entire read on me9whatever it is),and its only real day 2. I just like to make sure I get out what I'm thinking in the open. So people can naturally (like you) can understand my way of thining better,because I do tend to try to think outside the box because trying to solve a game using the trite meta/mech methods get old sometimes.

[Scorpious]

Can we all just appreciate Stephen?

[Scorpious]

i will not be engaging in a spam war so do not start one please thanks

good post!

This could also be interpreted as, " I said what I said and I don't want to answer questions about it"

JS

[Scorpious]

I refuse to give anyone the benefit of the doubt even people who haven't posted yet (Don't think I don't see you lurking out there T3)

If you want me to townread you you better bring the goods.

speaking of townreads, who do you TR anyways

absolutely noone has done enough to earn a townread from me.

what does Lebron think?

Almost no chance Scorpious is town

Do you understand who the Real Stephen A Smith is?

[Scorpious]

Fire is town. Quite certain there.

@297 no clue, but you with that post feels like you'r trying to send stephen on a tangent with something not related to the game, right as stephen was having good lines

Stephen A Smith is a very in your face sports debator. He is basically what is being represented so exquisitely in this game.

Lebron James is a very famous basketball player that he talks about allllllll the time.

He is also on a sports network that is becoming notorious for being one one side of the political spectrum,and for some reason Lebron James (the basketball player) feels the need to speak on many social issues.

Hence the joke..there ws no intent to spur on a tangent about nothing..

If you read me as scum, fine,but if its based on that,there is the reasoning.

[Scorpious]

Fire is town. Quite certain there.

@297 no clue, but you with that post feels like you'r trying to send stephen on a tangent with something not related to the game, right as stephen was having good lines

Stephen A Smith is a very in your face sports debator. He is basically what is being represented so exquisitely in this game.

Lebron James is a very famous basketball player that he talks about allllllll the time.

He is also on a sports network that is becoming notorious for being one one side of the political spectrum,and for some reason Lebron James (the basketball player) feels the need to speak on many social issues.



Hence the joke..there ws no intent to spur on a tangent about nothing..

If you read me as scum, fine,but if its based on that,there is the reasoning.

for further reference.

Spoiler:

[Scorpious]

stephen looks a lot worse off that than dwlee does to me. pushing a pointless point and acting like you caught someone in something? hmm. i can see a certain type of scum player doing that, whether because he really thinks he has a point (he doesn't, dwlee is right here) or because he knows that dumb extended fights like that a lot of times will make others skim and assume both are town

for sure, stephen was like actually trying to spam the thread, which is definitely more likely to come from maf

Like, I was definitely on team Dwlee there, like, if you're giving a list of "top 5 scum" there should be some sort of reasoning with it. like, Surye was on the list, when he only had 1 post... his rvs vote... Yeah I was calling surye out as maf, but I'm pretty certain the average person doesn't declare a SR when someone literally only has a vote for "content"

Page 8 - I TR Stephen over hockey, call me crazy but I think stephen might be town

Can you explain this progression please?

[Scorpious]

Andy this is an opinion talk show

We can make shit up if we don't know

ok sorry!! distracted!!

My reads are like this:

Stephen
Fire
Eyes
Dwlee
Greeting
Frozen
Nero
Wave
Hockey
Scorp

ok,how about this one?

How is eyes at 3? because of their 3 posts?

How do they move above Dw who you were siding with in the post i just quoted.

[Scorpious]

uhhhh person I'm voting for?? UNVOTE:
surye just hasn't posted... I'm not SRing someone cause of not posting over 300 osts

you were voting overkill

This,^^^^

they arent even on your list and you said the ones you omitted you had nothing on..

I'm officially calling this list BS

[Scorpious]

stephen looks a lot worse off that than dwlee does to me. pushing a pointless point and acting like you caught someone in something? hmm. i can see a certain type of scum player doing that, whether because he really thinks he has a point (he doesn't, dwlee is right here) or because he knows that dumb extended fights like that a lot of times will make others skim and assume both are town

for sure, stephen was like actually trying to spam the thread, which is definitely more likely to come from maf

Like, I was definitely on team Dwlee there, like, if you're giving a list of "top 5 scum" there should be some sort of reasoning with it. like, Surye was on the list, when he only had 1 post... his rvs vote... Yeah I was calling surye out as maf, but I'm pretty certain the average person doesn't declare a SR when someone literally only has a vote for "content"

Page 8 - I TR Stephen over hockey, call me crazy but I think stephen might be town

Can you explain this progression please?

umm,have I not been forthcoming enough with you to not get the same respect?

Why won't you?

[Scorpious]

ABWOP

stephen looks a lot worse off that than dwlee does to me. pushing a pointless point and acting like you caught someone in something? hmm. i can see a certain type of scum player doing that, whether because he really thinks he has a point (he doesn't, dwlee is right here) or because he knows that dumb extended fights like that a lot of times will make others skim and assume both are town

for sure, stephen was like actually trying to spam the thread, which is definitely more likely to come from maf

Like, I was definitely on team Dwlee there, like, if you're giving a list of "top 5 scum" there should be some sort of reasoning with it. like, Surye was on the list, when he only had 1 post... his rvs vote... Yeah I was calling surye out as maf, but I'm pretty certain the average person doesn't declare a SR when someone literally only has a vote for "content"

Page 8 - I TR Stephen over hockey, call me crazy but I think stephen might be town

Can you explain this progression please?

nahh I'm good

[Scorpious]

what is the problem? it's not even like I'm voting anyone right now, just giving thoughts

I asked a question, you didn't answer. in fact you specifically said you wouldn't. It wasn't even a hard question. you voting anyone has noting to do with you refusing to answer questions.

That doesn't scream town motivation.

[Scorpious]

It just doesn't all add up, the list, the refusal to answer seemingly benign questions.

I'm not feeling comfortable with any of it.

[Scorpious]

That doesn't scream town motivation.

ah yes.. my bad for playing catchup on 300 posts and skimming to get here

then say that,and not nonsense.. you saying this 10 posts ago would have meant so much more.

[Scorpious]

it's not important to tell yall I skimmed, caught up? I gave my thoughts from that. that list? genuinely where my reads are at

Thats total garbage. I want to know who is reading critically and who isn't thats important.

Because you saying you are skimming as making that BS list you posted more and more illegitamte.

You said I was scum based on knowing nothing about what I was saying,and I took the time to explain it to you. Now that you aren't skimming and actually engaging in real time, do you still feel that way?

[Scorpious]

wavemode feels off to me... like, I had vote overkill, then this.. like "here's some reads, I'll vote here, and say nothing" why? "ehhh just gut"
doesn't feel towny to me

sound familiar?

[Scorpious]

Can you explain why eyes are so high in your list

You go into my early town pile.

We aren't 100% but very much thinking along the same lines.

[Scorpious]

umm I can explain my list a little better later for people interested, but I also don't wanna feel forcer to live by those reads so mehhh like a few of the higher up reads are contingent upon having towny content later, got the placing cause of stuff I liked/their interactions with each other

If you’re communicating a list these are details that should be included.

At this point with all of your explanations about it, it’s almost moot.

And why would you put people higher on a list that are “contingent” on town content? That doesn’t make a lot of sense.

And fwiw, I’d pick this list apart regardless of my station. It’s just a horrible post.

Adante goes into early scum pile for me. Too much explanation needed for a list that is horrible to begin with.

[Scorpious]

One last thing about “the list”

I was told why I was scum read. Based on me trying to re direct posting. Fair.

Then I ask if they knew who SAS really was and they said no.

I feel I was very helpful in explaining how my scum read comment wasn’t that at all, and was STILL on the bottom of the list. Surely I’d move up a notch or two based on that.

Strongest and really only sr at the moment and I gotta clear this joke vote. So.


VOTE: Andante

[Scorpious]

wavemode thinks that lack of explanation and not really caring about being questioned is townie, and he gives super casual "yeah so what" responses to scorp and me

f there's anything you want to know just ask. I don't want to be cagey, I just want to be efficient.

the problem with wallposting is, most people don't really read it all anyway. like, not REALLY

so I'm not particularly likely to go into a ton of detail unless you ask me a direct question. tends to be a waste of effort. and I'm lazy, you know? and the questioning process generates useful reactions

and come on, most of those questions in 203 were not real questions, everyone here recognizes that right?

even scorpious himself will admit that.

he's not a newbie, he knows how RVS works

like honestly tell me, which of those questions besides the last one actually warranted a detailed response. whichever one you think it is, I will happily answer in more detail

if scorp flips scum we will look back on the fact that I was able to provoke him to post that ridiculous 203, as a game-winning play

If you are going to use this,you should also use the other rationale I had behind it. I'm not accusing you of partial quoting or mis repping,but its close but I've said twice now,and you just re-iterated. I wasn't pressing you at all. As I have aid I wanted to see how you would respond.

I'm a little lost to on the "knowing how RVS works" comment, its been mentioned multiple times we kind of warp speeded that this game and this was way after the fact.

[Scorpious]

VOTE: wavemode for not having a voting reason

No reason and also the 3rd consecutive vote on hockey..

Oops did I just end RVS?

I did that already keep up

also, no mention of scorp, who quite literally did end RVS

Ok, now you

are

mis-repping me.

[Scorpious]

and yet his last visited time on the site is 8 hours later. never decided to come back and give more thoughts. hm

Site mechanics are a slipperly slope on other sites i play, how are they regarded here?

This is a pure curiosity question.

[Scorpious]

I''ve moved Wave from town lean to null

[Scorpious]

@Scorpuis, has your read on wave changed(esp since they've started to give content(355/360)

I''ve moved Wave from town lean to null

indeed

[Scorpious]

I have like 4-5 played fourm games(so really not that much)

so have you ever played as mafia

I can not for the life of me figure out how to ISO(sorry!), so you can just have the link(this is the site i played on) -> https://mafiascum-closedgame.freeforums ... waterfalls

@Scorpuis, has your read on wave changed(esp since they've started to give content(355/360)

I''ve moved Wave from town lean to null

indeed

So, you town read them for thier "syntax", but you are putting them back into null once they start making content? It certainly can't about the misrepping since you said you didnt find that scummy, so waht is it?

You’re twisting what i wrote, Just because I said I look at different variables doesn’t mean I ignore the more common things, I never said mis repping wasn’t scummy, either.

[Scorpious]

So, you town read them for thier "syntax", but you are putting them back into null once they start making content? It certainly can't about the misrepping since you said you didnt find that scummy, so waht is it?

I can already tell you I've noticed differences tbh,just know my use of the words "lean" and "null" are way different then when I commit. I just like people knowing how,when,and what I'm thinking.

[Scorpious]

Wave,thoughts on 358?

[Scorpious]

So, you town read them for thier "syntax", but you are putting them back into null once they start making content? It certainly can't about the misrepping since you said you didnt find that scummy, so waht is it?

again, just would like to know where I said this.. I'm dealing with 2 mis reps at the same time and neither of you will acknowledge it.

[Scorpious]

Wave,thoughts on 358?

uhm okay you *participated* in the ending of RVS, even though technically a non-RVS vote had already been cast a few minutes beforehand. would that be more accurate?

\

I would say so,... Thats a far cry from saying I "literally ended RVS" and using it as an argument as well.

Now I'm wondering if you would have ever corrected it, had I not called you out on it.

[Scorpious]

again, just would like to know where I said this.. I'm dealing with 2 mis reps at the same time and neither of you will acknowledge it.

this is weird, tonally. I struggle to see how this particular statement was of any pain to you. is participating in RVS ending somehow damaging to your reputation?

you participating in ending RVS has nothing to do with me scumreading you (how could it?), I simply said that in the context of the fact that eyes didn't mention it in his townreads

so why is this such a problem you're "dealing with"?

I would say so,... Thats a far cry from saying I "literally ended RVS" and using it as an argument as well.

Now I'm wondering if you would have ever corrected it, had I not called you out on it.

Well, no, I wouldn't have. I thought you ended RVS. So thank you for pointing that out to me.

But it doesn't really change the argument. I think eyes could still probably mention the player who said "oops did I end RVS" on page 1 of the game, if he's on a spree of townreading people who like to end RVS. right? is that unreasonable? or at least mention why you were the exception?

395 wasnt exclusively about you.. My issue with yuo was simply a mis rep,and then you using that mis rep to try to further a point. you answered me,as far as I'm concerned, that particular issue is squashed.

[Scorpious]

I’m back to town lean on wave..

Just reads honest to me..

[Scorpious]

Scorpious

is unusually enthusiastic about this game.

My gut tells me it's because of

Stephen A Smith

though.

Real game day 1 Stephen was an absolute treat. They did a great job with a gimmick slot. It’s tapered a bit .

So far this group is also very interesting, far from the travesty we were involved in a few weeks ago.

[Scorpious]

Well I know this is going to bring a lot of heat my way but I should let you all know I tend to suspect replacements more. I guess it was DGB (if memory serves me right) that once said if we eliminate all replacements town always wins (or something to that effect).

Anyway welcome FA.

Also @Andante I do appreciate the townread but something tells me I have yet to earn it. Do you tend to townread people who townread you?

I don’t even know how I want to approach this as it is so bad. We see replacements almost every single game.Where would you even develop this kind of thinking. Why even bring it up? Why do you feel we need to know this about you anyway. Do you have any statistical data to back that up?
Hypothetically, it’s game day 2 you have a strong town read on someone. Her kid gets sick. She’s gotta rep out. New replacement comes in, are you programmed to reset your read? I mean. You would never know why she repped out. But are you know questioning your own read based on litterally something you have no information on?

[Scorpious]

Eyes is the obvious LHF right now, but are they scum?

[Scorpious]

Spoiler: Response to [post=#13253229

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Goddamm, looks like I already found all of t3's partners

im assuming that this line is a joke

Why would you ever think it wasn't

I like this, and I agree with reasoning, town pings

it was an RVS vote on p1. Highly doubt it was serious and hockey town reading Fire for that felt forced.

The "reasoning" for that vote was that Wavemode jumped into the game voting someone, and then dipped. I felt like it was a vote to "particiapte' in RVS, but also be a bit nervous at the same time, which is why I agreed with fire

Why do you want only pressure on 1 person to start the game? Doesnt make sense, a wagon shouldn't be formed on page 1 for the most part imo

Like the first time I read it mafia against the formation of wagons and wanting to stay in RVS. I mean maybe he was actually concerned that Dante wanted an early wagon.

cause mine is the 9th vote, not the 8th vote. everyone knows the 8th vote is the suspicious one

Fire said this and then Hockey said

Like 2nd part of the post(no town pings tho), but the first part of it(bolded) is ???, seems a bit awkward to come out and say that(I think Dwelee said this? and i agree with them)

I thought it was an obvious joke and it was pretty lame to throw shade there.

Meh, the joke went over my head, and I dont even think it was *that* much shade

Anyways, people I wanna kill rn are Andante(explained a bit in 370), but its also thier unwilligness to post content(Im aware they're still catching up but ehhh deosnt sit right with me) and Eyes without a face(they've popped in once in a while, and then made like 1-2 liners, and then dipped again,)
@Greeting, why are you concerned with this wagon,do u TR them(and why)

VOTE: Andante(voting person with lesser wagon)

This is a shit post.

[Scorpious]

Eyes is the obvious LHF right now, but are they scum?

Maybe yea

I’d like a response to what I asked them. I’m not opposed to the lim,But I want to give them a fair shot to sway me.

[Scorpious]

@Greeting, why are you concerned with this wagon,do u TR them(and why)

Eyes with out a face

is a null read from me. In my experience, every game has its low posters who are all pretty easy to be picked on. I'm not looking for an easy elimination but for scum. I'm not saying no to voting them, but I see better candidates.

Stephen A Smith

, why are you scumreading

HockeyFan

?

This post is below your normal level of quality. As far as eyes; It’s not the post count, it’s the content. I don’t understand the motivation in making your first real content about how they key in on reps as scum.

I don’t see this as any form of AI from you, just used to better..

[Scorpious]

I dont see how wave is a better candidate then Eyes?

I'm not even caught up, but that list of mine that people dont like says wave is a better candidate for a lim than eyes... later I'll reevaluate stuff though, unless yall want to pressure me for stuff now, then by all means I'll tunnel wave for yall!!

By no means hurry, but as a primary opponent of that list I’m very interested to see how it has evolved.
My vote on you is based almost entirely on the nonsensical nature of the seemingly random nature of it.

[Scorpious]

at the moment I'm willing to vote eyes or scorpious. though I think overall eyes is our best lynch

it's a fallacy to assume (as some have) that just because someone hasn't posted a lot that must mean we don't have enough information to lynch them. eyes has done plenty and none of it is good

to the point where it's like they're not even really reading the game? or intentionally avoiding having to participate in it. ahhh let's face it lurker or not this flips scum more often than not

pedit: well yeah, I pointed out that exact problem I had with eyes's 217 all the way back in my 355

First off. I’m not responding to this because you have me as a lim option, whatever on that.


You’re proclaiming that limming the lurker is more often successful than not. I gotta call bs on that.

The only real viable reason to lynch lurkers is to eliminate places for scum to
Hide. Of course you’re going to get one or two but saying it’s a big percentage play is fallacy as you would say.
If it worked so much than scum it would almost become meta to make sure you were active as scum.

Just get a vibe of you planting the seed for an easy mislim. Just thoughts

[Scorpious]

Rams are a four point favorite but Joey B is my Boy

Joe “cool”.

Bengals 27-21.

I’m that note. I also will be participating in football festivities today. So I’ll try.

But game related

Adante

my vote on you was based on that how awful list you put up. Somewhere I said I’d like to see how it’s evolved since then and would keep/remove my vote. I have bigger suspicions but I want to hold you to that.

And holy crap I just pulled a Taly.

[Scorpious]

I’m going to take my vote off

Adante

[b/]

I’m satisfied enough for now.

However. Could you do me the courtesy of explainy why you just smashed down a weak and lazy list initially? Obviously that above is a testament to why one would expect more from you.

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE: andante

[Scorpious]

Umlaut,

Have you had the opportunity to make any intitial observations? We’ve gotten nothing from that slot.

[Scorpious]

@scorpio you have so far mostly ignored the main two wagons, what's up with that? a few little things with hockey but never much of an opinion, and a lil bit of on the fence with eyes. i know it's football day but could you at least give some quick thoughts of where you are currently at with both of them por favor

Fair question.
I’m never a fan of the first wagon to be completely honest, I’m. It going to throw around words like “always” and “often” but it’s a rarity. I see newb, not scum in the posts. Almost like I “why are people finding these things I’m saying as scum. It’s also LHF .

As far as the Eyes wagon. Again, seems like a lazy vote, granted one I’m leaning toward making. It’s curious to come into a game with a statement that is obviously going to drum up some sort of disagreement. Maybe it’s a huge reaction test. I really don’t know. I’m going to attempt to trudge through the two pages of them and FA, but I can already see myself getting bored with it.

Last note. i did have my vote parked on Adante because he initial list was so be beneath her, and I had not planned on moving it until she at least addressed the evolution of her thoughts since it. I’m satisfied so I did remove it.

[Scorpious]

We should make FaceBoy and HockeyDude pick teams for the superbowl and yeet the one that picks wrong

lol.

I'm gunning for the bengals to win, Joe Burrow deserves a SB.

I just reread the frozen/eyes stuff, did not get much out of it, but I like the way Frozen is playing, and I dont think the 2 are partners here

Not crazy about this post man, But yeah Go Bengals!!

If you re read and got nothing out of it, why tell us. That changes the gamestate literally 0. Not even needed to be typed. But, you continue on saying you like FA’s play and that you don’t think they are partners.

So you..did “get something”, and the quotes on get something because that something would be the most ineffectual “something” to take from the exchange..



You just pulled ahead of eyes for my vote unless you can explain this.

Actually. You can explain this to get my vote off.. this was bad posting man..

VOTE: Hockey

[Scorpious]

Not 100% sure how many votes he has but I feel I’m in the realm of courtesy posting how close to yeet he is.

[Scorpious]

wave what are your other reads?

in order from most likely to least likely town:

fireisredsir
Stephen A Smith
Dwlee99
HockeyFan
Greeting
Frozen Angel
Andante
the worst
Umlaut
Nero Cain
Scorpious
Eyes without a face

The naked read list on real day 5. Always the beacon of towniness..

[Scorpious]

Especially with the literal
Lowest hanging fruit on the bottom..

This is just as bad as Adante’s early naked list.

[Scorpious]

and other times he's this very dramatic and surface-level "how DARE you not answer my question the first time I asked it! thou scum!!"

another mis rep, I don't think I've called you scum once this game, and we already addressed this(half that post was for someone else), Please stop pushing cases you hope people are too lazy to go back and confirm..

[Scorpious]

and I feel like the transitions between the two have occurred purely at opportunistic times

and what opportunity have I been provided?

[Scorpious]

VOTE ME

bored VT again?

[Scorpious]

Y'all feeling townie rn

How about a full readlist with some reasoning then?

LOL no

I am now asking everyone to support me on this one. A full readlist from Dwlee will show you where their head is at and whether they are faking the scumread on me because it's an easy push and stating unfounded townreads on the stronger players.

you're not going to get one,and with DW its totally NAI..

stop with this..

[Scorpious]

See? fire's 811 above is an example of a player wanting to give some sort of input regarding both sides and the subject they're arguing about whereas Dwlee just shrugs it off as tvt and doesn't want to give more about it. I hope that explains more why fire is on the green side to me while Dwlee is on the extreme red.

Surely you can easily see how this comes off as a late attempt to pocket a player that most here,including myself are reading as town. I dont think fire needs you to tell her why her post is a good post that can easily be town moticated.

I would find myself leaning Town toward you had it not been the "request" for the entire game to press DW for a scum list.. As stated before. It's a major shift in how you had been writing things,almost like you have been trying to keep your scumminess hidden but the lid couldnt handle the pressure.

And this goes into the point I made way earlier. what town motivation would you have to bold and make your request so obnoxious...

[Scorpious]

Where is eyes sitting right now?

[Scorpious]

Y'all feeling townie rn

How about a full readlist with some reasoning then?

LOL no

I am now asking everyone to support me on this one. A full readlist from Dwlee will show you where their head is at and whether they are faking the scumread on me because it's an easy push and stating unfounded townreads on the stronger players.

you're not going to get one,and with DW its totally NAI..

stop with this..

This is such a gross response if I didn't already have you towards the bottom of my reads I would have demoted you. In fact if Dwlww flips red you are now my best bet for a partner.

What kind of paly is this? What is a good reason for a player to skate by all day without giving reads or reasons and just promoting the kill of a certain slot for no apparent reason but them feeling that slot may be easy to get? I am not saying I am actually easy to get but that's how I'm viewed so be it.

How do you get a better read on someone you already suspect (the you is actually me and the someone is Dwlee) if not by asking for their reads and discussing/evaluating them and the reasoning stated behind them?

And what's a good reason for you to take their side and support not getting a readlist from them at this point?

because I've played with DWlee,and you're not going to get one,especially with the double down.

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Eyes

I THINK this is E-2

[Scorpious]

if eyes flips scum I need to ask him after the game how he can contribute so little yet pocket people so hard

it's truly remarkable

Any player that comes in dropping essentially argument bait while stating they know it is, is one of two things.

Scum pr, looking for targets or a very confident player.. or both(scary).

I hate to hyper caps in asking DW for a list though.. hate it..

[Scorpious]

I’m also just commenting the Ludicrous speed posting from FA is really getting in the way a bit. Just an opinion and not a knock.
Just observing.

I have seen theories floated before about flooding a game to hide yourself. Not saying it’s happening. But damn……

That’s a lot of posting. And long ones too. I ain’t lying. I have not read everything they have posted and most likely won’t

[Scorpious]

I will not post anymore tonight so everyone can catch up (I'm actually interested to see how certain slots will react). I will answer all questions tomorrow and will try to keep my posts briefer from now on.

Please don’t let me stiffle your game. It’s just one poor players opinion.

And I wasn’t accusing you, just adding some flavor to an opinion.

I can see it kinda shutting out a few that may have legitimately fallen behind. But please don’t stop posting on my behalf if you are having fun. It is a game. We forget that sometimes

[Scorpious]

And on the total opposite side.

I’d like more from umlaut. We have zero on that slot. A catch up to 15 the a benign question. When do we consider limming that slot?

[Scorpious]

Wasn’t really to impressed on the catch up notes there either, honestly

[Scorpious]

what specifically failed to impress you about them

Aww, you’re gonna make me do the snip quote.snip copy snip thing. Damnit…

Let me get back to a pc for this one.

[Scorpious]

what specifically failed to impress you about them

what specifically failed to impress you about them

Aww, you’re gonna make me do the snip quote.snip copy snip thing. Damnit…

Let me get back to a pc for this one.

Alright,here is the deal, I do not thave the patience to cut and clip to make points. If you think thats AI,fine.
I just dont have patience.

My main problem with them is that is basically like watching commentary on whats going on with no real conviction, they do put togther reads toward the end,but thats expected.
I also dont like how it's so condensed,perhaps to cause this exact problem,whats wrong with posting as you read?

If you want to go through it and ask me how I feel specifically about something,please ask . I'm just time and technically limited to really express specefics. sorry.

[Scorpious]

I hate to hyper caps in asking DW for a list though.. hate it..

WHY? BECAUSE I'M VERY AGRESSIVE PLAYER?

no, I just hate reading in all caps.

Caps Lock is not cruise control for cool.

[Scorpious]

Alright,here is the deal, I do not thave the patience to cut and clip to make points. If you think thats AI,fine.
I just dont have patience.

My main problem with them is that is basically like watching commentary on whats going on with no real conviction, they do put togther reads toward the end,but thats expected.
I also dont like how it's so condensed,perhaps to cause this exact problem,whats wrong with posting as you read?

If you want to go through it and ask me how I feel specifically about something,please ask . I'm just time and technically limited to really express specefics. sorry.

"no real conviction" what does that mean exactly?

did you quote the right post?

[Scorpious]

My main problem with them is that is basically like watching commentary on whats going on with no real conviction, they do put togther reads toward the end,but thats expected.
I also dont like how it's so condensed,perhaps to cause this exact problem,whats wrong with posting as you read?

this is a weird take. you don't like how he's commenting on what's going on with no conviction, but then acknowledge that he made reads as a result of it, but it doesn't count because that's what you expect? what? and you'd rather he spam the thread with individual posts rather than keeping them all together? didn't you just call out frozen and say that flooding a game can shut people out and hide yourself?

No, It's different, FA was quoting and commenting in real time. It's a lot easier to ingest. Wall posting a catch up over the course of time is much tougher for ME to comprehend, It's just that way my brain works. I t all starts to mesh together and I stop making connections. Could be what happened here to me,admittedly.

I guess for me my problem falls in the fact that their is some logical commentary there but there is just so much of it and it's intemingled with littlw quips. just hard for me to follow. I dont know how else to put it

[Scorpious]

Alright,here is the deal, I do not thave the patience to cut and clip to make points. If you think thats AI,fine.
I just dont have patience.

My main problem with them is that is basically like watching commentary on whats going on with no real conviction, they do put togther reads toward the end,but thats expected.
I also dont like how it's so condensed,perhaps to cause this exact problem,whats wrong with posting as you read?

If you want to go through it and ask me how I feel specifically about something,please ask . I'm just time and technically limited to really express specefics. sorry.

"no real conviction" what does that mean exactly?

did you quote the right post?

yes, I did lol that exact quote appears in your post

and I'm not entirely sure what you meant by it

forgive me, I've been here since 8. I just feel like anyone one repping in could have just wrote those comments verbatim, there was no real independent thought just piggy backing off of others independent thoughts, they felt mailed in.

Again,sorry for being dense, office has me drained today

[Scorpious]

and there has been no real effort since, I'd probably be more ok with that slot if it wasnt for that last lazy question then bouncing out.

regardless, when do we consider limming that slot? as of now i feel we lose nothing except a place for scum to hide,and who knows,maybe we get lucky.

[Scorpious]

Curious to the reaction to this statement...

But.

What if Eyes is right about this one?

[Scorpious]

I hate to hyper caps in asking DW for a list though.. hate it..

WHY? BECAUSE I'M VERY AGRESSIVE PLAYER?

no, I just hate reading in all caps.

Caps Lock is not cruise control for cool.

Ok now I'm genuinely confused because I can't tell if you're blind, delusional or outright dumb. Here's the post I wrote earlier:

I am now asking everyone to support me on this one. A full readlist from Dwlee will show you where their head is at and whether they are faking the scumread on me because it's an easy push and stating unfounded townreads on the stronger players.

Now if you're blind and using a program to transform text to sound then I understand and I sincerely apologize for bringing it up. Large/bolded text often give the impression someone is shouting which is the same as writing in all caps and since the program was shouting at you you're excused

If you're delusional and can't tell the difference between bolded enlarged text and writing in all caps the onus is on you. You cannot produce that post by simply pressing the caps lock or pressing shift with every stroke but you ca4n probably do it by pressing the caps lock AND pressing shift with every keystroke which is also quite dumb)

Finally if you're dumb and forgot what it was to begin with because you were actually FAKING it all along then I don't know what to say except GOOD LUCK coming out of that ditch you digged for yourself.

Now please tell me the truth: Are you BLIND; DELUSIONAL, or OUTRIGHT DUMB? Asking for a friend.. or a bunch of them maybe

"Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

I guess I'm just dumb.. and it's "dug".. not "digged"

[Scorpious]

Who knew confusing bold writing and caps was so scummy?

How you you feel about the umlaut slot Face?

How did the 7 posts from two combined people give you a better feeling than 5 people actually playing the game?

[Scorpious]

VOTE: umlaut

This slot is useless right now. Will gladly remove vote if content is produced. Just a smart play to get rid of this slot.
It’s either VT or a scum role nobody wants. Unless I get proven differently by someone showing they want to play it..

[Scorpious]

I'm pretty sure umlaut is town

and I'm also pretty sure you have essentially zero case on them

The case is on the slot.. 2 people now. 7 posts..

[Scorpious]

Eliminating places for scum to hide, it’s not a new concept.

Out for the night.

[Scorpious]

I can’t believe you guys are so bent up over this. I said I’d gladly remove my vote if we got content.

I’m also not the first person to ever bring this up.

And wave 2 things, the posts you quoted are like almost 400 apart. A lot has happened. and second. You’ve had it in for me the whole game. You’re just finding another reason to be “outraged” at my thoughts.

[Scorpious]

I love the way you two are totally twisting my words here…

[Scorpious]

First of, you are making it sound like I want to lim them for the hell of it. Second off I was starting a conversation and you guys just straight flipped out on me.. coordinated I might add.

Third you aren’t even entertaining what I’m saying. Town should explore everything. You’re acting like I’m in full on push mode, which I’m not.

[Scorpious]

Like I said.

We get content from the slot, my vote goes away. But if there is none. It’s something to consider.

[Scorpious]

It’s Valentine’s Day though..

I gotta end this til tomorrow..

Pedit- by reading the posts..

[Scorpious]

it's such an abrupt shift that in the back of my mind I would not be surprised if umlaut was scum and they just agreed in their daychat that scorp should bus him

like it's such a sudden and random push for seemingly no reason at all

Hold up, Is daychat meta for all games?

Last time I had day chat as maf we had an encryptor.


Now really gotta go before I end up single..

[Scorpious]

I’d like more from umlaut. We have zero on that slot. A catch up to 15 the a benign question. When do we consider limming that slot?

regardless, when do we consider limming that slot? as of now i feel we lose nothing except a place for scum to hide,and who knows,maybe we get lucky.

VOTE: umlaut

This slot is useless right now. Will gladly remove vote if content is produced. Just a smart play to get rid of this slot.

how else should we interpret this other than you want to lim them for the hell of it?

is this post real? you quoted three reason why its not for the hell of it.

[Scorpious]

And if Scorpious flips red wave is cleared in my PoV. Just a heads up (also a reminder of how I work)

Why are you saying someone is clear before a flip? What makes you super confident that wave is lock town before scorp is even flipped? Like, what if scorp doesnt flip red, than what happens to that read?

Please click for a proper answer

This is the most exquisite way to avoid answering a question that I have ever seen.

[Scorpious]

lol yall are just funny tbh, like, these massive 1v1 cases... what is that actually doing to find maf? like if you think about it, if you spend all your effort tunneling someone, you'll get locked into "They must be scum!!" and like, you'll refuse to TR them.. so then you spend page after page making wallposts on why that person is maf, so then you have town like me. Who look at the thread, and go "ok nah.. not jumping into that" so then town like me just kinda ignore the thread, get super behind, and at the end of deadline, we'll just end up random voting... like, all these 1v1s are just so weird to me, like, why so many!!! why not just work together on reads? like if I bus my partner for you to tr me.. maf gone. easy!!! not 1000 posts of "meta this, meta says you maf!" nonsense

It shuts people out..

i would never expect anyone to sit through pages of dry ass wall material that is trite and way over done.

[Scorpious]

It shuts people out..

IT REALLY DOES!!! like, there is plenty of content I missed, cause I show up to wall posts from 3 people like "yeah no thanks... really don't care to read this" and I know I can't be alone... like, Sure at least 1 maf is likely coasting by as well, but a lot of town are most likely just chillin.. like, idk, I'm just getting over it and not afraid to speak up about it, cause like 1100 posts here.... and what was even said?? 2 claims? that's about it...

what i run into is just finding the right place to jump in (which it never is), or I'll ask a question that had been asked and answered,and get the "are you really reading". It's a great conversation to have post game Adante,one I would gladly have with you.

[Scorpious]

whats the count on Nero?

[Scorpious]

3

4 votes are still needed

Do you feel any scum are in those 3?

[Scorpious]

Not actually I have a town read on the worst for overkill last post not even realizing he is replaced out and worst reacting in real time to discussions felt natuaral. And stephen is an early town lean of mine for his early reation test but i have less confidence with that read.

Thoughts on a Nero Umlaut scum team?

[Scorpious]

Why would you even ask such a question about that slot? Your read on the slot is so shallow on the surface and you literally never said anything about agreeing with my read on nero so how you go from "let's pressure the umalut slot so he can make content" to "do you see him scum with nero?"

funny, you never answered the question, I find that weird. You just chastized me for asking..

I dont care about your read on Nero, wouldn't it be implied I agreed if I asked you about them being a team. chill the ego a bit there.. I realize you feel you're driving the game right now,but chill..

[Scorpious]

but please,just leave it at that, I'm kinda sick of your walls to be homest. I stopped reading them a long time agao,I was just asking a question. Carry on

[Scorpious]

Is anyone reading any of this?

[Scorpious]

What am I missing???

Why is everyone being so ok with this slot(Umlaut) doing nothing? I swear if it gets to the point where people want to lim it,I'm looking at everyone that questioned me for bringing it up.

This is literally the fist time I've seen a lot get so much leeway 7 days into a game with 8 posts.

[Scorpious]

like, dude literally told me to "fuck off" for wanting content.. and I have people voting me for bringing it up.

How long are we going to let this go? serious question

[Scorpious]

I'm playing the game and am hunting scum. Spending my time - by literal meaning here digging things out and pointing them out in as much as a comprehensive manner I can share my thoughts.

You are being rude to me for disregarding whatever I said like this. I'm taking my time respecting you all to explain myself over and over as questions come my way. The least you can do is to read or to engage in your own way with me about it. If you don't like my attitude for solving the game, that's literally your own problem.

I respect you,...

but,you're overdoing it... I dont want to engage with you, not because I have any animosity toward you, but I simply just dont have the time for it.

[Scorpious]

what is different with umalut for you with how you interpreted eye wagon earlier in this game?

because Eyes was posting a theory, he wasn't actually doing it... and I'm starting to(actually I posted many pages ago) he might be right with this one..

[Scorpious]

Curious to the reaction to this statement...

But.

What if Eyes is right about this one?

[Scorpious]

What am I missing???

Why is everyone being so ok with this slot(Umlaut) doing nothing? I swear if it gets to the point where people want to lim it,I'm looking at everyone that questioned me for bringing it up.

This is literally the fist time I've seen a lot get so much leeway 7 days into a game with 8 posts.

because he replaced in 2 days ago? why are you acting like he's been doing nothing forever? there's people who have posted almost no content in that time frame

2 days.. with just enough to not get prodded..

[Scorpious]

wait eye ever said he scumreads umalut?

or what is that you agreed with him there actually? his latest posts was about dwlee there

yes, I was saying that I'm actually starting to feel he might be right about the Umlaut slot.

[Scorpious]

What am I missing???

Why is everyone being so ok with this slot(Umlaut) doing nothing? I swear if it gets to the point where people want to lim it,I'm looking at everyone that questioned me for bringing it up.

This is literally the fist time I've seen a lot get so much leeway 7 days into a game with 8 posts.

because he replaced in 2 days ago? why are you acting like he's been doing nothing forever? there's people who have posted almost no content in that time frame

you have been one of those proponents of my theory going as far as to say "wtf is this logic". you shoot up immensely if Umlaut flips red.

[Scorpious]

What am I missing???

Why is everyone being so ok with this slot(Umlaut) doing nothing? I swear if it gets to the point where people want to lim it,I'm looking at everyone that questioned me for bringing it up.

This is literally the fist time I've seen a lot get so much leeway 7 days into a game with 8 posts.

because he replaced in 2 days ago? why are you acting like he's been doing nothing forever? there's people who have posted almost no content in that time frame

2 days.. with just enough to not get prodded..

and that makes him your strongest scum read, because?

not that it's true. He actually posted stuff you can comment on, even participated tiny bit in live interaction there with me/nero alongside his catch up posts.

why didn't engage with him with what he already posted?

he caught up to page 15... c'mon now.. then asked some meaningless question then got all pissed when i called him out..

So town... yes. I think the slot is scum hiding or lurking or whatever you wanna call it. Hence the vote.

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE: HockeyFan

Will read shortly.

Okay actually doing catchup now

Spoiler: Pages 1-10

this rvs is wild!!! woooooo so exciting!! like, no one is really pushing 1 wagon, it's just "vote whoever" lol can rvs be over page 1 plz. I think Surye might be maf here, like, the 8th vote of the game, not on an existing wagon? ehhh

What is different between fireisredsir and surye in that regard?

mehhh fire’s is fine, called out something that also caught my eye. Surye’s though… suspicious tbh

when it takes 7 to lim 3 is nothing, putting people on e-2 or e-3 is where the pressure is, not really e-4

This page 1 exchange is kind of weird in that on reading Andante's 15 I would have assumed it was just standard RVS nonsense, but it seems like Dwlee took it seriously enough to question it and then Andante answered in a way that implies it actually was serious (at least a little bit)? Not sure what to make of that.

Why do you want only pressure on 1 person to start the game? Doesnt make sense, a wagon shouldn't be formed on page 1 for the most part imo

Disagree but don't think the sentiment itself is scummy; I see it frequently enough from town. In general 27 looks a bit +town to me.

i actually kinda agree with the hockey suspicion, i scoped out the starts of his games and the early buttering people up doesn't really feel like his town play, which is usually more fluffposting, banter, and discussing mechanics. i only see one scum game in his history but he acted closer to this. it's not an open so there's no mechanics to discuss here, but still, he feels like more of an outsider. and like he's forcing himself to make a meaningful post with commentary on the game even when not much has happened, so he can look more town and get people off his back. feels like he's doing it because he thinks he has to instead of because it's his honest thoughts.

VOTE: HockeyFan

Not crazy about this read, fluffposting is in general a way easier town meta for scum to emulate than actually contributing and I don't think a sample size of one scum game is a good basis for a meta read claiming the opposite.

Also I do feel a little bad for so much pressure on someone who is genuinely trying, so Hockey can be Hockey in peace for now

This makes no sense to me. If you think Hockey is scum then keep pushing him until he cracks, if you think he's town then don't say you "feel bad," say he's town. What even is this?

Kind of fluffy posting here; the only really alignment-relevant thing in the post is the "town vibes" on Andante.

ive been pretty busy today

Busy with maf plans so soon?

VOTE: 0verki11

this is dumb, back on hockey

vote:hockeyfan

like 27 is legit scummy. I assume the reason that you feel sorry for him is b/c he's always wagoned but I don't think thats a good reason to stop wagoning him.

Agree with the sentiment even if I still don't get the Hockey wagon.

Stephen A. Smith coming in with an instant read list in 71 is a good look even if I don't know where it's coming from, early town pings.

you said I replaced in and threw a random list at the thread on page three and this makes me scum

explain your train of thought

how do you get from random list to scumbag

Really like Stephen for town based on the attitude in this and followup posts. I'm not at all as convinced as he appears to be that Dwlee's responses make him definite scum but then I'm not sure if he really believes it either or is just taking that stance for the sake of the push.

Oh before I go
VOTE: Scorpius
I'm pretty sure he literally scum slipped by saying him and greeting should try to play into our fight

Read 142 and tell me what the hell that means other than my interpretation of it (but don't post it til Scorpius explains it himself)

If you actually want to vote scum go here, Stephen

Oh wait, Greeting is literally the name of a player in the game? I ignored that post because I thought he was just saying "Greetings"

Oh I understand what you meant
UNVOTE:
><

I don't. Can you explain? Because I actually took this scumslip theory seriously until I saw you retract it.

Where does the Greeting sus come from? Idt they've done anything AI(they have like 4 posts)

This seems to be answering its own question (inactivity is a good enough reason to have someone as suspect #4)

maybe stephen town for continuing to persits 1 thing instead of just letting it go(cuz it doesn't benefit him as mafia to do this).

This depends on who Stephen's main is

...I guess, but this seems like trying to keep open the possibility Stephen is scum when it doesn't look likely that he is.

can we get a "lay off the weed one"?




PLEEEEASSEE??

Are you planning to play the game? Only real contentful post is 44 and that's just picking on something easy to pick on.

Where does the Greeting sus come from? Idt they've done anything AI(they have like 4 posts)

I didn't like any of his three posts

stephen looks a lot worse off that than dwlee does to me. pushing a pointless point and acting like you caught someone in something? hmm. i can see a certain type of scum player doing that, whether because he really thinks he has a point (he doesn't, dwlee is right here) or because he knows that dumb extended fights like that a lot of times will make others skim and assume both are town

I need you to expand on this. Why would Steven do this as scum? He spent 2 pages trying to get an answer for a mostly "mild" sus from Dwlee. If stephen is mafia, he can really just ignore dwlee's read(or play it off), what is the benefit of doing what stephen did as scum there?

This is pretty much what I was thinking which makes me continue to like HockeyFan here.

I need you to expand on this. Why would Steven do this as scum? He spent 2 pages trying to get an answer for a mostly "mild" sus from Dwlee. If stephen is mafia, he can really just ignore dwlee's read(or play it off), what is the benefit of doing what stephen did as scum there?

there are people who just play aggressively. not everyone will just ignore attacks and play passive, some people as scum like to push back and out-pressure and just overwhelm whoever is arguing against them. i think it's actually MORE likely that he is scum because of it being a small mild point, because it means that he's forcing the argument where there totally doesn't have to be one. town probably wouldn't care because it's a minor point that should be obvious

the other benefit of that aggressive play is that you'll get people like this saying "why would mafia do that???" when it's actually super easy to do and more fun and works a lot of the time

Also like fireisredsir for town; I think it's easier for scum to just lean into the simple "Stephen is town because trying hard" read instead of trying to argue the other side.

tbh this entire interaction doesnt seem AI at all

Am I really the only one that finds this bad?

Stephan had a list of scumreads for ??? reason. DW was pissed b/c he was on it and it was unexplained. It's content. Deciphering wich alignment the content comes from can be tricky but just throwing your hands up and saying that it was meaningless is dumb


and scummy

This I can sort of agree with, except that in the same post HockeyFan says: "maybe stephen town for continuing to persits 1 thing instead of just letting it go(cuz it doesn't benefit him as mafia to do this)." And follows up by arguing Stephen is town. The line itself is kind of bad out of context I agree.

Too long to quote but this is a very uncharitable post. Criticizes wavemode for making one fluff post even though he immediately followed up with actual reads; criticizes those reads themselves because "'probably' and 'slightly' mean nothing"(???), conflates

gut read

and

random vote

, overall looks like nonsense to me. Wavemode's mostly dismissive response in 214 is exactly what it deserves.

And first real town lean for me goes to wavemode.

On the other hand, this reaction is

abrupt

in a way that I don't expect to see from scum. If Scorpious were scum trying to shitpush wavemode I'd expect them to interpret 214 as scummy instead of instantly changing direction and saying they're town after all.

There, happy?

Okay, now I understand 142

Greeting's 228 and 229 are decent, gamesolvey posts that make me lean town there. In particular:

I suppose this could be a cause for concern though:

I probs have Dwlee as town(for now) for 16,20 and 34

I've played with

Dwlee99

in some games and I've found their playstyle to be generally quite nullish, and this game is no exception. Maybe but for that bizarre squabble with

Stephen A Smith

, but I don't see their participation in it as town-indicative either.

What makes you think that's a townslot?

is a good thing to be questioning. (HockeyFan's answer in 232 seems pretty satisfactory to me given he's not claiming hard conclusive townread)

Re: "The exchange"

I've been in DWlee's shoes recently. Stephen would argue the color of the sky with them. Every time a legit answer is run in a circle it gives someone a chance to misrep the original answer. I don't like what he's doing. The entire character(Stephen) and more likely than not the game opening, and maybe even the entire game is already being played as some sort of gambit. its all pre meditated. Not saying thats AI at all because obviously there is no way to know what they will roll,but I feel this character would have been installed regardless of green or red.

Dwlee really never did explicitly answer this question though, just responded with incredulity that any explicit answer was expected. Even if they thought the question was being asked in bad faith it should still be possible to give some kind of answer beyond "do I really need to explain this?" That fact seems really obvious to me in the exchange and it seems like people are ignoring it when they accuse Stephen of arguing in circles. Belaboring a point maybe, but that's different.

what about wave's 214 did u find town? Im not really sure how this post changes your read on them

I felt the answers were genuinely written. There was no defiance in any of it. My main reason for that line of question was to get more of a tone.and writing style. Not necessarily concrete information.

I like to look at things a little differently when I play. Of course there are the mechanics and rules and whatnot but so many people neglect other things like tone.

I also watch the games for changes in a writer’s punctuation. It can be a great tell, especially if it varies.
I(we) all have a solid baseline on how wave writes when they feel relaxed and not under a lot of pressure.

I agree they were genuinely written but how does saying stuff like "You're right" or "It doesnt" lean more towards town then it does mafia? that's the part I dont get. It's intresting to me that you TR that post based off the tone, cuz it didnt really tell me much, can u expand on this

It's hard to explain tone, but I tend to agree with Scorpious here. I think wavemode's response suggests he is really not afraid of being scumread. Responding to a claim that his posts aren't solving the game or saying all that much by freely admitting "no, they aren't" and just blowing off the suggestion that there is anything scummy about that.

HockeyFan wagon is dumb unless he's done something else in the following 18 pages to make it good.

Players who have given me some reason to townread them so far:

wavemode, fireisredsir, Scorpious, Stephen A Smith, Greeting, HockeyFan

The catchup continues

Spoiler: Pages 11-15

i don't really scumread wave for the post, but i did think it was interesting that he said that he townread steve for offering zero explanation for his reads, feeling no need to justify himself, etc., when wave did that very same thing himself in the same post. it feels a little too clean and lines up too nicely, ya know? seemed like it could have been intentional, doing the same thing that he is then saying is a townie thing to do. i do think he could have done it as town, but i think it's not giving him enough credit to townread him for the post

I don't really buy this reasoning. Like, I understand what it's saying but it seems more like a thing one could imagine making sense for scum to do than a thing scum actually does.

Frozen Angel's read-in is mostly fine, a few comments:

Fast switch between these two posts. I always find fast switches scummy. Town mindset is way more progressive than branching. Branching is what scum mindsets prefer so they can add themself to the discussions and gain others' trust.

This is weird because I disagree on both counts: I don't think this is much of a switch, but also I don't think fast switches are at all scummy. The opposite, really: making a big deal about wanting to go one way only to suddenly go another way is more extra-credit work than I expect from scum. If anything I would think this pair of posts is suspicious for the opposite reason: because 33 seems almost like "advertising" a willingness to eventually move to HockeyFan and setting up for 37.

This part of this post is giving me all sorts of vibes. for one it seems you have knowledge that the people you are dealing with are genuinely sus at you. And for someone who was just defending their meta by bringing meta examples, this seems like a contradictory mindset.

Then it's a response to someone who just unvoted you for literally no reason. It gives me the vibe that you want to either make them feel good about doing that (which is contradictory to a usual town mindset who wants the game to be solved - as a town you should have questioned it because of that reason) but also gives the vibe that you were nervous about the votes on you when it's only page 3 and literally no one was voting with a solid reason. or it feels distancing, as you knew the intention of their vote on you, and you don't care about their fast switch.

This is actually a good point and the first argument against HockeyFan that I can really buy. In general Frozen Angel's reads make a lot of sense to me.

Greeting,
We need a centered Stephen a VS DWLEE stat!!!

Also, Stephen is my new favorite player, I read every post in his voice.

getting extra town vibes here. again they saw what I clearly see too

...er, except this one. Did you quote the wrong post or something?

Why would Steven do this as scum?

"to seem townie" is the simple answer to any question of the form "why would he do that as scum?" ...

Hated the hockey's question. Liked the answer given. Such an absurd question to ask.

Doing whatever he did is not the way scum wants to "seem townie". Like imagine this, you, a player seemingly thrust yourself into the thread and cause chaos to give yourself more attention then originally. Why would you do that as scum?

Pretty much 100% sure HockeyFan and Stephen are not scum together based on this post.

wavemode feels off to me... like, I had vote overkill, then this.. like "here's some reads, I'll vote here, and say nothing" why? "ehhh just gut"
doesn't feel towny to me

This feels very surface-level to me, assuming that "off" is meant to imply "scummy."

Did you really just ask this? like, "Why would scum just tunnel a weak thing" the benefit is call spamming the thread to make it hard for town to keep up. yes maf also hate spammed threads, but like me looking at 300 posts knowing I'm behind... very overwhelming. this is maf points to Hockey

Same problem as above. I understand the answer itself to the question, I even understand being surprised he needs to ask, but why is it maf points to ask the question? There's something missing in the chain of reasoning here, like we're jumping straight from bad -> scummy.

Fire is town. Quite certain there.

@297 no clue, but you with that post feels like you'r trying to send stephen on a tangent with something not related to the game, right as stephen was having good lines

Stephen A Smith is a very in your face sports debator. He is basically what is being represented so exquisitely in this game.

Lebron James is a very famous basketball player that he talks about allllllll the time.

He is also on a sports network that is becoming notorious for being one one side of the political spectrum,and for some reason Lebron James (the basketball player) feels the need to speak on many social issues.

Hence the joke..there ws no intent to spur on a tangent about nothing..

If you read me as scum, fine,but if its based on that,there is the reasoning.

Kind of hate that Scorpious is even taking this accusation seriously enough to defend himself from it. That feels unfair since Andante seems to be seriously pushing him on it but I still get a bad feeling from it.

@frozen angel, hm i don't get that from scorpious' post. looks like he's saying "y'all are misbehaving" and "this gimmick account is fun". don't really see that as similar to your take, which has a real opinion. seems more like he is acknowledging it without actually saying anything about it. he does go back later and look at it more closely, but idk, just seemed like a weird post to get town vibes from due to agreement

this

I guess I like andates latest catch up posts. at first I felt she is just jumping on the TR made on stephen and scum read on hockey but it feels more natural now and I can follow the thoughts.

What do you like about them? They seem terrible to me, her reasoning on Scorpious and wavemode and HockeyFan are all tenuous at best for the reasons I already gave.

what is the problem? it's not even like I'm voting anyone right now, just giving thoughts

I hate hate hate hate this post, Andante officially my top scumread now. What an absurd thing to get defensive about. Scorpious asks her to explain a read progression and she responds as if he accused her of something.

One last thing about “the list”

I was told why I was scum read. Based on me trying to re direct posting. Fair.

Then I ask if they knew who SAS really was and they said no.

I feel I was very helpful in explaining how my scum read comment wasn’t that at all, and was STILL on the bottom of the list. Surely I’d move up a notch or two based on that.

Strongest and really only sr at the moment and I gotta clear this joke vote. So.


VOTE: Andante

I have to ask why this took you so long? If your old vote was a joke vote why wouldn't you vote Andante as soon as you found her >rand scum instead of waiting until highly confident?

i cannot imagine why anyone would have an eyes without a face read in either direction unless they are process of elimination sorting, but we can ignore that for now

217 is slightly bad, to me. it feels like a "low hanging fruit" read, a read you write when you're trying to come up with a reason to townread someone. like "oh of course I would townread these guys because they participated in RVS ending". I meeeean, would you? really? people are rarely genuinely that naive. also, no mention of scorp, who quite literally did end RVS

that alone probably wouldn't amount to a scumlean if eyes had gone on to contribute more after that. but no, even with all the shit that was going on in the game at the time, all we got from eyes was that pointless comment. and yet his last visited time on the site is 8 hours later. never decided to come back and give more thoughts. hm

+1 Insightful

nero cain, scorpious, eyes without a face are giving me scum vibes

explain the nero read? an answer of "ehh idk gut" will no longer be accepted

I don't fully follow 65. I get it, andante said 27 was scummy and some people agreed. you're just going to sheep that as your whole reason for voting hockey? there's a lot more in hockeyfan's ISO than 27 and 155

and I don't follow his 197 either. nero himself seems unsure of stephen's alignment, and unsure of the motive for his aggression, in his own 255. so why is hockeyfan being unsure of that such a problem. also, hockeyfan is nowhere near the only person who said they felt the argument was NAI. and also also, his basic argument that this behavior is scummy doesn't really make a ton of sense. overall this feels like a big reach to justify his wagon position

every time nero posts I feel like I keep asking myself whether he's really trying to solve this game, or just trying to appear like he is. and I keep arriving at the latter being more likely, when I compare this game to past games I've played with him

also, more generally: my knee-jerk reaction to your question is to counter-question, why does a scum read NEED to not be gut? Let's say my nero read had been pure gut. I think if I were actively trying to convince people to vote nero with me, the discussion of whether I have logical reasoning becomes more relevant. but if it's just a gut read and I'm not even voting him, I don't quite see what the problem with that is. I guess I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from with this post? I will probably have gut reads in the future, do you believe they should not be shared?

Same as above; wavemode very likely town.

I''ve moved Wave from town lean to null

?????

Caught myself just wanting to scroll past everything and also it's past my bedtime so I'm stopping here for now.

Townreading Frozen Angel; scumreading Andante; think wavemode made decent points about Eyes/Nero and want to take another look at them after catch-up.

Haven't done more catchup and probably won't have time to do more today since I'm at work (and then doing Valentine's Day stuff) but I like that both Fire and Frozen seem to have actually made the effort to read what I've written so far. And I also like that Frozen is arguing points with me even though I called her town.

scum are far more likely to claim a PR to get out of an elimination than town unless said town is a pr. Not impossible that we did hit a town pr and I guess the correct play might be to give him a day or 2

Agree with others this is ugly, that first sentence compresses to "town who isn't a PR is unlikely to say they are" which is not exactly a revelation.

I'm pretty sure Nero is town here

Why?

Saw Scorpious getting on my case for being inactive yesterday. If only I had said in advance that I would be busy that day with RL things.

Haven't done more catchup and probably won't have time to do more today since I'm at work (and then doing Valentine's Day stuff)

Oh yeah, I did. Fuck off.

I am still busy but will try and make more time for this game today, at least this evening (CST). Doesn't look like Andante ever answered my question about why Nero is town.

All 48 hours of this slot's involment..

sell me this is town FA

[Scorpious]

Umlaut had yet to post anything meaningful at the time you asked this so I'm going to take a little break to catch up and come back to you about the slot.

This is the only thing I can find about eye about umalut

literally what are you talking about

i never said Eye called him out . Eye had a therory of reps being scum, and I called him out for it,now I think he might be right.

[Scorpious]

even eye never used it to vote for anyone! he used it to make analysis about how people reacted to that theory and started suspecting dwlee that way.

You're outright saying cause the slot replaced in game and didn't finish his catch up in 2 days he is scum?

no I didn't.. if you're gonna twist words, this ends now..

[Scorpious]

lol I'm glad I read this post, yeah I think I'm on the same page as Frozen.. yall had like 200 posts discussing replacements or whatever. we've moved on.. why even try to bring it back up? Scorp might be maf.. which means I really need to piece together my gut reads, cause gut read was selling me on Scorp maf

Umlaut had yet to post anything meaningful at the time you asked this so I'm going to take a little break to catch up and come back to you about the slot.

This is the only thing I can find about eye about umalut

literally what are you talking about

i never said Eye called him out . Eye had a therory of reps being scum, and I called him out for it,now I think he might be right.

dude that theory is trash statistically and logically.

even eye himself claimed he said that to reaction test.

like why would you even mention that and ship that to even vote a replace in for that! It's absurd coming from any town, especially you who looked way more logical with their earlier analysis. discussing why someone is replaced out is pure wifom and I can't believe you really have the theory as one of your reasons for this vote!

fine . I'll drop it.. I made my point

[Scorpious]

even eye himself claimed he said that to reaction test.

I must have missed this.. I wonder why...

but really, i had no idea he ever said it was a reaction test

[Scorpious]

fine . I'll drop it.. I made my point

Like, for me it's like, I thought we were on the same page, in regards to all the back and forth wall posts, but this was like, idk, it doesn't seem we are... Like, yes. mafia absolutely hates these wall posts/whatnot, I just find it difficult to keep up.. but like I'm also not encouraging back any forth, it feels like you saying that was trying to continue it... to just flood the game with more of that talk, since it had finally ended...

Idk, I'm on to you Scorpious....

uh oh, sounds like you are..

[Scorpious]

Scorpius, isn't umlaut doing proportionally plenty? Relative to other people? I at least think Umlaut has posted more content than I have.

Also, I think you're coasting too much. I know town you makes reads/whatnot, I'd love to see some more of that. Maybe Stephen was right....

Have you ever played with DW?

pedit-weird..

[Scorpious]

bored VT

wait, I just had the most random realization about this post

When did you ever see me play VT?

not sure,but you've been in like all my games since i came back.

[Scorpious]

But for you to actually use the theory to vote on someone for low content after you spent a lot of posts arguing over why you don't like the wagon on eye as he is the LHF just doesn't feel consistent at all

I'm not doing it based off that theory, but enough of this.. its over

[Scorpious]

bored VT

wait, I just had the most random realization about this post

When did you ever see me play VT?

not sure,but you've been in like all my games since i came back.

Oh right I just repeated that you were scum like all of day 2 and then got night killed and then you were town. Funny

I feel like I’d manage to talk myself into getting limmed as IC. My style is inherently scummy apparently.

I also dug the time you vigged the whole town .

[Scorpious]

has frozen posted anything alignment indicative? pretend I'm like, a really lazy duck who hasn't read most of the game. or something like that.

she has probably posted every alignment ever created in mafia, in video games in movies, written print,spoken word albums. Hymnals...

just a lot.. umm maybe?

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Nero Cain

Sure whatever

lets not

12/10 defense...

INTENT TO HAMMER!!!

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Nero Cain

Sure whatever

lets not

12/10 defense...

INTENT TO HAMMER!!!

has nero even claimed?

I'd like him to

[Scorpious]

the correct answer would be "Nero I'm hammering you. please claim"

usually thats what the intent post is for,but fair..

[Scorpious]

oh I just realized, nero is e-1 lol

i mean to be fair,there is this lol

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE: ok yall are gonna hammer the e-1 before nero is back, I'd at least like to give nero a chance

you put him on L-1,then claimed not to know...

hmmmm

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE: ok yall are gonna hammer the e-1 before nero is back, I'd at least like to give nero a chance

you put him on L-1,then claimed not to know...

hmmmm

I didn't know it was e-1... finally saw a vc and noticed.. why are you acting like I knew??

VOTE: Scorp

stop.. I'll put it back on L-1

VOTE: Nero

[Scorpious]

omfg,

are you serious FA?

[Scorpious]

omfg,

are you serious FA?

What the hell do you think about what andante just did? and why did you vote nero after pages of arguing how you don't see what I see about nero right after adante voted him and took back her vote?

I'm not doing this over thinking thing with you.. I never argued with you about Nero

[Scorpious]

You and Adante look scummy as hell right now

[Scorpious]

omfg,

are you serious FA?

What the hell do you think about what andante just did? and why did you vote nero after pages of arguing how you don't see what I see about nero right after adante voted him and took back her vote?

Cause Scorpious is your maf partner lol

now its me? who's next?

[Scorpious]

You said that post about how you said you town read him in post 700 like me saying in post-1200 you're read is not changed is meaningful somehow?

oh yeah right!! good point. Like, I didn't realize I was throwing Nero on e-1, I liked what stephen said about just sheeping you, and I read that like, true I mean, I don't have a solid sr, if frozen does, sure I'll sheep!!

Scorp SR has only really become a recent thing

I'm always a SR,in all games and in this game,its not new.. again, stop..

[Scorpious]

andante's blatant disregard for the life of one of her townreads is a thing right? this isn't a mirage?

I didn't think Nero was actually dying... why do you think I unvoted after realizing e-1

wrong again, i stated intent and you left it there a loong time.

[Scorpious]

oh I just realized, nero is e-1 lol

UNVOTE: ok yall are gonna hammer the e-1 before nero is back, I'd at least like to give nero a chance

You DID NOT unvote the second you realized it.

[Scorpious]

andante's blatant disregard for the life of one of her townreads is a thing right? this isn't a mirage?

I didn't think Nero was actually dying... why do you think I unvoted after realizing e-1

I went to ISO nero in between those? I don't see the issue

Why are you Isoing someone AFTER you REALIZED they were L-1. What where you looking for?

[Scorpious]

She doesn't town read nero at all

I do though...

You left him on L-1!!!

If you're gonna iso him it should be YOU unvoting not FA..

[Scorpious]

She doesn't town read nero at all

I do though...

You left him on L-1!!!

If you're gonna iso him it should be YOU unvoting not FA..

I unvoted before FA, what are you even talking about?

fair this just got so chaotic, my bad..

[Scorpious]

BUT...

If you intended to ISO him, After intent is declared, Why would you leave the vote there? wouldn't it be "unvote, i wanna iso one last timee"

[Scorpious]

Scorp... it sounds like you're just tunneling me to tunnel me.. you know Frozen SRs us both, and you feel like scum trying to be all "ah yes!! andante scummy!! get her!!"

dude,I get sum read by everyone every game, tell me something I don't know.

If I wanted to get you, I wouldnt stil be want nero gone..

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Nero Cain

Sure whatever

lets not

this post..

[Scorpious]

Scorp... it sounds like you're just tunneling me to tunnel me.. you know Frozen SRs us both, and you feel like scum trying to be all "ah yes!! andante scummy!! get her!!"

dude,I get sum read by everyone every game, tell me something I don't know.

If I wanted to get you, I wouldnt stil be want nero gone..

I mean, you're not trying to not get SRed at all.. you're trying to join Frozen in pushing me for just being me.. Frozen backs off? so do you...

for being you? I dont even know you. I like you, but I'm not voting you because you're being you..

FA is not dictating my game here.

[Scorpious]

Scorp... it sounds like you're just tunneling me to tunnel me.. you know Frozen SRs us both, and you feel like scum trying to be all "ah yes!! andante scummy!! get her!!"

dude,I get sum read by everyone every game, tell me something I don't know.

If I wanted to get you, I wouldnt stil be want nero gone..

I mean, you're not trying to not get SRed at all.. you're trying to join Frozen in pushing me for just being me.. Frozen backs off? so do you...

for being you? I dont even know you. I like you, but I'm not voting you because you're being you..

FA is not dictating my game here.

[Scorpious]

Scorp... it sounds like you're just tunneling me to tunnel me.. you know Frozen SRs us both, and you feel like scum trying to be all "ah yes!! andante scummy!! get her!!"

dude,I get sum read by everyone every game, tell me something I don't know.

If I wanted to get you, I wouldnt stil be want nero gone..

I mean, you're not trying to not get SRed at all.. you're trying to join Frozen in pushing me for just being me.. Frozen backs off? so do you...

for being you? I dont even know you. I like you, but I'm not voting you because you're being you..

FA is not dictating my game here.

[Scorpious]

Since where did you want nero gone scorp?

Since I put Nero on e-1 and called Scorp out for not actually asking for nero's claim... since that exact moment!! Scorp probably can't give a single reason for nero scum either right now..

ok, on other sites intention to hammer is essentialy "claim now or die". I could have just quickhammered,would you have preferred that?

[Scorpious]

VOTE: Scorpious

come on there HAVE to be 7 people in this game who scumread Scorpious

if the eyes wagon must collapse can it pretty pretty please collapse onto the scorpion

guys??

have you voted anyone else this entire game?

[Scorpious]

Since where did you want nero gone scorp?

Since I put Nero on e-1 and called Scorp out for not actually asking for nero's claim... since that exact moment!! Scorp probably can't give a single reason for nero scum either right now..

ok, on other sites intention to hammer is essentialy "claim now or die". I could have just quickhammered,would you have preferred that?

probably, so then day can be over

you'd prefer I quick hammered but you are critiquing my "not asking for a claim" etiquette?

[Scorpious]

have you voted anyone else this entire game?

I've never voted you before, actually

I never said you voted me

[Scorpious]

have you voted anyone else this entire game?

I've never voted you before, actually

your 2 votes were EYES, opportunistic..

And me, also opportunistic but hiding it as trying to start a wagon.. pretty transparent.

[Scorpious]

feels more like she's forgetting what her thoughts and reads are supposed to be

ok no. I keep forgetting what my actual thoughts are cause yall asked me for a list, I wrote that down, gave that, and the way people ask for stuff, I just genuinely don't remember that stuff. Reads I make on my own time, I remember those. Like I don't tr Eyes AT ALL. Hockey's claim is so bad.. Scorp is also getting on their level. but look, none of my thoughts matter cause no one else is thinking that way, so why listen to me?

ok, one example is post 1234, as FA called out. making that post makes no sense coming from a perspective of still townreading Nero. another example is you scumread scorp earlier in the game to the point where you said "almost no chance" that he's town, and then just recently you said your scumread on him was a recent thing.

I was TRing scorp earlier today when we had this moment of like agreement, so yeah this sr is a new thing

Do you tend to townread people who townread you?

yeah

So all I gotta do is TR you and we're good?

[Scorpious]

feels more like she's forgetting what her thoughts and reads are supposed to be

ok no. I keep forgetting what my actual thoughts are cause yall asked me for a list, I wrote that down, gave that, and the way people ask for stuff, I just genuinely don't remember that stuff. Reads I make on my own time, I remember those. Like I don't tr Eyes AT ALL. Hockey's claim is so bad.. Scorp is also getting on their level. but look, none of my thoughts matter cause no one else is thinking that way, so why listen to me?

ok, one example is post 1234, as FA called out. making that post makes no sense coming from a perspective of still townreading Nero. another example is you scumread scorp earlier in the game to the point where you said "almost no chance" that he's town, and then just recently you said your scumread on him was a recent thing.

I was TRing scorp earlier today when we had this moment of like agreement, so yeah this sr is a new thing

Do you tend to townread people who townread you?

yeah

So all I gotta do is TR you and we're good?

lmao usually yeah, but the way you went after me when Frozen gave the slightest hint of "get andan!!!" nah you're not town fam

dude, how are you reacting to me if I put somone on L-1,say i didnt realize it, leave it,and then claim I left it at L-1 while I iso'd that person, be real.

[Scorpious]

I even see it as a possibility that we have 3 scum in scorp andante and nero right now and it all make so much sense to me that I want to even cry

there's no way that we don't have at least 1, probably 2 scum just coasting in this game state

Could not agree anymore..

[Scorpious]

I even see it as a possibility that we have 3 scum in scorp andante and nero right now and it all make so much sense to me that I want to even cry

there's no way that we don't have at least 1, probably 2 scum just coasting in this game state

Could not agree anymore..

I've already made the case that one is coasting..

[Scorpious]

Scorpious

is unusually enthusiastic about this game.

My gut tells me it's because of

Stephen A Smith

though.

Does them being enthusiastic about this game affect your read on them?

I thought the context of the post implied that I think it's NAI.

I also don't see Scorpious as particularly scummy this game (referencing 363). It is, however, my gut read based on the fact that his scum game often tends to be unenthusiastic and he seems to be really into it this time. I'm not ruling out scum Scorpious, but I think there's more scummy slots than that.

interesting. these are different reads, right after each other. he says it's NAI when he's questioned on it, but then when talking about it in a different context he has a gut read based on it. feels nervous

If you want clarity from me, yes. I thought Stephen’s character (I don’t know who it is) was great and it was a fun change , and they did it so well. It was entertaining and fun.

I haven’t been back for many games but greeting has been in most of them, and like most of them people have thought I was scum. I was once. But I was also in a game where I got Limmed because I wasn’t on his horrendous D1 wagon and I was accused of implied knowledge. If you read my games I don’t know when to shut up. I ate often and I like to think differently for 2 reasons. It’s fun, and because a lot of the mech of mafia is above me.


Again, just because I caught this post and figured I’d give you me from me. Idk if this helps you sort Greeting, but we’ll, I just enjoyed my post work spliff..

Whoever is on the left l, you’re up.

[Scorpious]

And just in case I know who the real Stephen a smith is, not who the player is

[Scorpious]

VOTE: scorpious this one excites me less ftr

what dioes this mean

i voted scorp
and then said the scorp wagon doesn't excite me as much

I’m just trying to solve this game, I’m really confused with the Nero scramble, I think he’s scum cause his last post seemed so much like he was just giving up. Adante defended him more than anyone and she had him on E-1 unbeknownst allegedly.

If FA is scum. Give her an award. If you can manufacture that much dishonesty so consistently and so often my god. That’s gotta be town. If she isn’t. I’ll never understand this game.

Still on the Umlaut thing. We are losing the opportunity for information.

I don’t get why wave is so tunneled on me, whatever, like is it because my early game questions? Ok cool, should I have not asked them?

The early hockey wagon should be analyzed more than it has.

Yup , I’m stoned. Sorry

[Scorpious]

yes let's downplay the case! I love when caucht scum get to this stage

here are all of the posts I've made about scorpious

351
363
399
681
908
915
919
922
932

nobody can possibly read all that and genuinely claim my only reasoning is "because some early game questions"

Lol, relax my dude.. no need for the flex session. No way in hell I read most of that, not trying to downplay anything. Just pointing at it. Saying, “look, that’s a thing “.

It would be awesome if you could say you made the game winning play, but you didn’t..

I am so used to being read as scum it isn’t even funny, I do things mechanically wrong, I misuse power roles. I’m a train wreck and it’s a blast, and again, I’m pretty lit.

[Scorpious]

It’s just weird around the #850 mark where the hockey wagon starts to break apart. Maybe someone a lot smarter than me can pick something up here. This is where I’m reading.

[Scorpious]

TBH,this would not be the first bad wagon I've seen Greeting receive recently, I'm reading them now..

[Scorpious]

and if the case against greeting is still "lets find 7 votes!!" I'm not interested

Just a note on that that is literally what Wave said about me..

[Scorpious]

I mean, I do agree that frozen's (and I guess mine too) back and forth has sorta killed the game but I don't think that's a very good reason to just vote out town and people using it as a reason look mighty bad.

mehh too many people coasting is killing it tbh (sure throw me in the coasters) like, half the game is doing bare minimum rn and the other half is death tunneling

Looking at read lists they are almost inverse of post counts.. you might be on to something here.

[Scorpious]

I like real day today’s Adante.. more town feel today.

[Scorpious]

FA, why are you talking like you are giving a TED talk today?

[Scorpious]

greeting was literally only called out for not being around... that's how these easy pushes work... "too much pressure is going towards maf? distract with this!!!"

exactly. I got called out for pushing umlaut, and I was wrong.. now it looks scummy

[Scorpious]

UNVOTE: Nero does not need to be E-1 at this moment

[Scorpious]

greeting was literally only called out for not being around... that's how these easy pushes work... "too much pressure is going towards maf? distract with this!!!"

exactly. I got called out for pushing umlaut, and I was wrong.. now it looks scummy

you were wrong? explain

staright up, if he doesnt show up for 48 hours then i look like a genius,he shows up, I was wrong for pushing a theory. It happens

[Scorpious]

exactly. I got called out for pushing umlaut, and I was wrong.. now it looks scummy

false. you can push umlaut if you want, but not for absurd reasons that contradict your own past opinions

and you obviously *know* this, because it's been explained you dozens of times now. do not pretend like it hasn't

but I will relentlessly continue to correct your attempts to downplay the case against you, because I'm worried some players are no longer closely reading this game

don't you think it gets old you throwing a yellow flag on EVERY post I write?

Like, you are "so sure" I'm scum, almost borderline TMI..

Still trying to gather the 7 votes you need? It's just trite man

[Scorpious]

Scorp Scorp Scorp Scorp Scorp.. puts Nero on E-1.. lol

[Scorpious]

idk what I want here.. I don't want this nero wagon to go through, I don't like too many on the wagon. I want a coaster d1

me too

[Scorpious]

Scorp Scorp Scorp Scorp Scorp.. puts Nero on E-1.. lol

still high buddy? I was the first player in this game to express suspicion of nero cain

not yet, lunch is at 2.. Are you? where does this correlate? just some simple commentary.

And lets call a spade a spade, "being the first to express suspicion is a far cry from putting someone on E-1.

[Scorpious]

if he doesn't want to help us hang nero anymore so be it VOTE: Scorpious

whoa, easy on that OMGUS buddy..

[Scorpious]

If FA is scum. Give her an award. If you can manufacture that much dishonesty so consistently and so often my god.

I missed that actually

@scorp what dishonesty?

I was saying I dont think you are,and if you are capabale of beig so dishonest so consistently you need to go find a job as a spy. You are my strongest TR

[Scorpious]

whoa, easy on that OMGUS buddy..

what do mean OMGUS? do you scumread me? lol has your read on me flipped again?

you're just kind of annoying, vote me if you think i'm scum, but please don't talk to me unless you really need an answer to something. Appreciate it.

[Scorpious]

idk what I want here.. I don't want this nero wagon to go through, I don't like too many on the wagon. I want a coaster d1

me too

So did you ever want the Nero wagon? Or if not why were you on it?

yes,after his last post before I voted,i got a serious "F this I give up"

[Scorpious]

not a ton has changed. though on the previous list FA was meant to be null and above her were the townreads. now she's more of a townread

I'll color it this time

fireisredsir
Stephen A Smith
HockeyFan
Greeting
Dwlee99
Frozen Angel

Andante
Umlaut
the worst

Nero Cain
Eyes without a face
Scorpious

Hey!!! I just realized something!!

You made it Italian colors just for me.. awww

[Scorpious]

Also, Are you going to be serious and say your list is going to change so little with the literal tsunami of content we’ve had?

You moved like 2 people lol

[Scorpious]

Almost 1000, yes 1000 posts and your reads changed like not at all.

Such a bs list

VOTE: Wave

I think you referred to it as a “scum claim”

[Scorpious]

fireisredsir
Stephen A Smith
Dwlee99
HockeyFan

Greeting

Frozen Angel
Andante
the worst
Umlaut
Nero Cain
Scorpious
Eyes without a face

greeting is like middle of the pack here. not super high but I guess not super low either.

What do ur reads look like now?

not a ton has changed. though on the previous list FA was meant to be null and above her were the townreads. now she's more of a townread

I'll color it this time

fireisredsir
Stephen A Smith
HockeyFan
Greeting
Dwlee99
Frozen Angel

Andante
Umlaut
the worst

Nero Cain
Eyes without a face
Scorpious

For reference

[Scorpious]

Scorpious

Yes or no, do you currently think Nero is scum?

I do, but less now because I don’t see a Nero/wave team and Wave just posted two separate reads list 1000 posts apart that are almost identical. Which to me indicates there is literally zero scum hunting going on. And I find that scummy as hell.

I have reads change for me in single posts. I’m supposed to be dumb enough to believe that 1000 is going to change someone’s mind on at least one person? Not today Satan.

[Scorpious]

Ebwop, “isn’t” (most likely not needed but just in case)

[Scorpious]

I think there are a lot of players who have gone even longer than 1000 posts without substantial read changes, why haven't you pursued anyone for that before?

Because nobody else has posted 2 nearly identical lists that span sooo much content and time.

And you have the audacity to say “not a ton has changed”

Dude. If I posted a list right after adandte did the whole un-E1 thing she would be red, now, I think todays real
Adante hits me as green.

Reads should be ever evolving and you’re expecting me to believe yours have been stagnant for so long.
Either the list is fake, which I think it is.
Or, you’re just not doing anything. Both anti-town behavior.