CONTROL - GAME OVER!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante i want to kill u so bad today. Especially when u post like that omg.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But what if Ceph is better urghh

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mastina what are your thoughts for today. I feel like i’m losing it due to the tension. Gotta calm down.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also Toogs reads sucks so if he’s the only one talking then that wasn’t very helpful.
Roden what is your role anyways? Do you have anything helpful for us?

[NorwegianboyEE]

How do you know we have 1 mislim banked or whatever.

[NorwegianboyEE]

5v3 is a loss if we lim wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or what does ‘banked’ mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why does town lie :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m sure Toog has an huge explanation for why his fake claiming was very good play and helped town a lot.
But nah, that just seemed stupid.

[NorwegianboyEE]

One thing i want to think about.
Didn’t Andante try to vote out Tictac at numerous times? Was it just bussing or is it possible unpartnered?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante what is your read on Tictac?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually, who do you think are maf in general? We have more than one, you kept pushing Three Bears today. Do you have more scumreads? If Bears are scum then who their partners?
I just want to understand where your head is at.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m just gonna reveal this. Catboi told me that Mala gifted them powers in this game. A 1-shot neighborizer or something. It REALLY does not sound like a scum role to me, least of all when Mala gifted them to Catboi and didn’t STD get a roleblock ability too, pretty sure that also was Mala.
Why TF would scum!Mala gift powers to town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t trust you Andante, i think ur just pushing town this game.
So if you don’t convince me in a short time i will vote you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s not all. Mala has been in an hood with Catboi for multiple days. If Mala!scum wanted to kill Catboi she would have had the knowledge to do it earlier than we saw happen in this game.
Mala is like literally never scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol, sure.
Scumread me, see how far it takes you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I know i’m town here, so if you want to push me/Bears as the solve that’s dandy for me. Makes it easier for me to know where the liars are.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ok, but if you're town, I'm town, mala town, then who is maf?

I townread Three Bears/Mala/Roden/Mastina.
That leaves Ceph/Tictac/You.
If one of my townreads are wrong then who? Cus i have a pretty strong townread on all those people.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why can't it be Ceph.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ascetic townie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How many scums are left you think?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well if i were to theorize that scum had to be in my townreads then...
Either Mastina has pocketed me, but i doubt it. This doesn't feel like what i imagine to be their scumgame.
Three Bears has too much hydra dissonance and seems to be solving the entire way, doubtful.
Malakittens role and their actions today is super townie and i cannot see it ever flipping maf.
Roden crumbing PR and not dying and then revealing they were VT might be the most sus thing about them, also fruit vendor STD dying tonight instead of unclaimed Roden. but i don't really see why scum would go through all that trouble in the first place. And their tone has felt townie most of the way.

Gut to head... Roden? But my distance of scumminess between Roden and the grouping of Ceph/Andante/Tictac is pretty far apart.
Also if we are to theorize 3P things might be different, but dead thread told us that one of the scums apparently TMI'd that it was an scum ability so shucks.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i don't think i have more to say... if i'm wrong then i'm in way too deep and it is unfortunate i will be convinced by arrguments alone. I need flips now to either confirm or disprove my view of the gamestate. .

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i don't think i have more to say... if i'm wrong then i'm in way too deep and it is unlikely i will be convinced by arguments alone. I need flips now to either confirm or disprove my view of the gamestate.

EBWOP

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also how helpful is no yeet really? I feel like all that is gonna happen is Mala dies or something and we are back to the same arguments today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To the surprise of nobody, Andante is now pushing me as scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's fanfic. I asked you who i'm wrong on and why, i engaged with all ur questions. And now ur like "Well i guess Norwee was scum", this just makes me think ur full of shit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee, the issue with if you're town and what you're doing, if Ceph is maf, he's playing this perfectly. if people were to like ignore me, I could've come up with solid reads, but hey... I've been pushed all game, so of course I'm much more likely to believe those TRing me are town..

Blaming bad reads on being scumread? Really?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not gonna care that much if there is no lim today, but i really don't see the point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree on that, this is like perfect opportunity for dead thread to move together and tell their thoughts in an condensed message.
But instead what we got indicates only Toog has things to say? I'm guessing dead thread is completely... well dead. And nobody really has anything useful to say?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe you would do it as scum, but not very many other people think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This day is painful, just painful.
Are we to vote someone out.
Cus i'm ready too.

VOTE: Andante

[NorwegianboyEE]

...ok?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante/Ceph/Tictac scummy
Rest are townreads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i think we all agree tictac and andante are scum

next time i want to post i'll just shout into an empty void instead, the effect will be similar

ok fine. i'll listen to you. who is the scum team. name three people who all arent andante.

Andante, Andante and…. Hmmmm, oh i got it. Andante.

[NorwegianboyEE]

When the only positive is to confirm an theory that is like 0.01% likely to be true then i also fail to see it’s use.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are all of the slots voting no lim afraid to have an stance today?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or it’s like, they want a night to kill Mala so there will be less voice of opposition against them tommorow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

like, idk about yall, but as maf I see no issue with giving a 1 shot neighborizor to town.. it's not like it's a cop check

I feel like it’s a pretty big stretch to assume that Mala!scum gave 1-shot BG to STD and then shoots STD. Or fails kill because of ability given. Why would scum ever do this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And if answer is: "To get townread"
Just no.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean i also scumread Tictac so it wouldn’t be that much of an difference to me, would like to see what Three Bears or Mastina thinks though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Tictac/Ceph/Andante scum then they'd be pretty boxed in atm. Not much to do other than buss.
Of course the exception is if 2 are scum, Tictac town, and 1 deepwolf we don't know about. But i feel killing Andante at least will hit scum since Tictac is being encouraged as an vote from both them+Ceph.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also Andante's Ceph read makes no sense?
Why are they their "strongest townread"? :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just gonna go on record and say that i don't really care much for Titus's VCA, but i guess Roden and other heads of Bears hydra does. So we wait then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is a real!mold world?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And why are you adjusting to it.
Basically i’m asking what ur even saying.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So what led you to believe it’s real now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So what is your attempt at actual solving.
Mala is town? Wow, we didn’t know that one.
Do you think mold being real clears molded people or nah?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My energy levels don’t match my scum games either. And i can use meta just as Ceph does.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mastina has not been playing scummy here, and it’s really sad if Roden actually thinks she does.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or Andante mostly pushing that solve i guess.
Hey Roden, if you think Andante/Tictac are my scum mates then vote them out. We can deal with me in ElO if we’re both alive by then, tnx.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I really don’t get the impression ant of Andante/Tictac/Ceph are trying to solve today.
Tictac is doing some dumb talk about how many town or scum in people voting him. And now i’n gonna be Andante:

Andante: So Bears is scum.
Everyone: No.
Andante. K, nvm. So Mala is scum.
Everyone: No.
Andante: Oh ok, so Tictac is scum.

Like holy shit why did we let them live this long.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and Ceph, what have u done other than: "I’m town by meta. Trust me "

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's harder to keep an appearance of solving in ElO.

"Ah, yes, I will shoot my game long ally std who is also starting to come under suspicion. Mwahahaha! Theyll never see this one coming!"

Oh and this^
Completely lost it's meaning when it was revealed STD had a bodyguard shot. Meaning you could easily be part of an team that shot someone else but is now trying to be like "See? I would not make this shot as scum!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like all you do today from ur ISO is lamist, AtE, berate other players for not townreading you and "not listening" etc.

[NorwegianboyEE]

the way she talks in general seems a lot more open, yes. you seem to have plugged your ears and started shouting lalala i can't hear you whenever i talk.

This is prime example.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's harder to keep an appearance of solving in ElO.

You said "what have you done" not "what have you done today"

I'm already sick of moving goalposts from dealing with bears, I dont need it from you too

I said today in 1 post earlier, you should know it's what i meant.

[NorwegianboyEE]

in addition to the dunn thing, the super erratic and off the cuff way andante has played the entire game makes me think she is town

U call this an explanation?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Give that wolf a banana.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mala isn’t saying it’s me…

[NorwegianboyEE]

Their solve is Tictac/Andante/Mastina

[NorwegianboyEE]

I will admit that if i am wrong on someone, it’s prob Ceph.
But Andante/Tictac? No.
I also feel like if Ceph is town then Andante has been tryna pocket today by bring like: "they are my strongest townread" etc.

[NorwegianboyEE]

look fam, idk why anyone does anything. I have 1 lock town read and that is Ceph. everyone else I'm just trying to figure out who the town is. I know people want me dead, it's not easy, we have town wrapped up with mafia right now, feels like it's like 5maf vs 3 town right now tbh

*Puke emoji*

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m going back and fort on Tictac/Ceph today, but Andante town? Impossible.

[NorwegianboyEE]

When Titus will post that shit

[NorwegianboyEE]

Kindaa feel like the game is being hels hostage RN. >_>

[NorwegianboyEE]

If u tryna make me paranoid it's not working.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Know what's gonna happen, someone's gonna be like "omg this is bussing between Norwee and Andante" cus we're waiting so long to flip scum and i'm impatient as fuck so i engage in this sort of nonsense talk to spend my time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Again though, Mala has given three powers to confirmed town players.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not saying it's like 100% confirming them town, cus it isn't. But you would need to assume that A: Scum was given a role that can hand out powers to other players (which doesn't sound like a very typical scum role) and B: They gave the powers to mostly townie players that have used it to good effect for town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't mean to seem like an unreasonable douchebag here, but when most of the signs point to Andante and away from Mala from my POV then that's the stance i'm going to push.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm a bit tingly about whether limming Tictac might still be a good idea, but it's mostly players i scumread arguing for it and not those i townread so...

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is that it from Titus or are we getting VCA?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you like actually explain why.
You know i'm pretty deeply pocketed if Mastina is scum right? So are you going to explain further why Mastina has to be scum here or just expect all town to sheep you for no reason.
Cus if that's all you got then i'm pretty sure i won't vote Mastina.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And under this theory of Mastina!scum who are their teammates and who are the town?
Give us something to work with. -_-

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you know someone is for sure town?
Is Mastina the only one you know for sure?
Did you actually lay down the work?

[NorwegianboyEE]

why did dragons die over them?

They had a bodyguard shot. STD could have died over anyone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

One interesting thing you reminded me of though.
Is STD's an multitasking ability? You claim to have received an letter tonight right? So is it possible for STD to both bodyguard and send letter in a single night?

[NorwegianboyEE]

best bodyguard a gal could have

Norwee kinda claimed for me

I'm an inventor of (three) 1-Shot items whom I can gift them to other players.
+Neighborizer
+Rb
+BG

I gave mine to catboi & STDx2

[NorwegianboyEE]

uhh I don't have a letter now.. no, the other night I got one, wherever I screamed "MAILLLL" at day start

Oh it wasn't tonight? Ok so theory debunked.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I thought maybe we could confirm if STD was a mafia target tonight or they used bodyguard shot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Then again, if nobody did get a letter tonight, that probably does confirm STD used their bodyguard shot tonight.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mala can you confirm when you gave your abilities to which players?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you like actually explain why.
You know i'm pretty deeply pocketed if Mastina is scum right? So are you going to explain further why Mastina has to be scum here or just expect all town to sheep you for no reason.
Cus if that's all you got then i'm pretty sure i won't vote Mastina.

I been saying you’re deeply pocketed for a while

Hence why it’s

{tic, Mastina & andante}

Which read are you most sure on?

[NorwegianboyEE]

enabler
"Some more creative uses have included Town Enablers for Mafia power roles and Mafia Enablers for Town power roles. "

Yeah but trying to explsin a player "could be scum based on their role" is wasted breath when they play like town and has whole game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mastina you want to vote Andante? Seems more likely than Ceph today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We not in a hurry but that don’t mean we need to waste time doing nothing or not advancing the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

what is the correct term 4 a day like this nowdays?

Totally lame-o?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m assuming Titus’s argument is based on votes placed during the game so the possibility of you fake claiming or not isn’t that relevant in this case.
(Though idk exactly what Titus is scumreading you for cus they never told us)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Urggh this game is suffering. Someone put me in a cryosleep until we get the flip everyone is waiting for.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not townreading Mastina for no reason.
They are as far removed from how i expect their scum meta to be as possible, and i like almost all their posts and don’t see any scum motivation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

can you explain it in a way that anyone besides you could understand

Honestly, no.
I don’t think i can.

From my position, and of the knowledge i have that i am town. Mastina makes sense as town because i don’t see who would be with them. Mala is practically as confirmed as town can be except maybe if they were IC, based on their role. Three Bears is impossible to be scum. And if it’s Andante/Tictac then i’ll guess we’ll deal with it later, because Mastina should not be the priority today. Andante or Tictac is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m a very subjective player.
And the greatest strenght of town is that they KNOW that they are town.
I can see that Mastina does not make sense as scum here, they just don’t.
But know who does? andante.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m a very subjective player.
And the greatest strenght of town is that they KNOW that they are town.
I can see that Mastina does not make sense as scum here, they just don’t.
But know who does? andante.

It's like there are two of her

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mastina should not be the priority today

Why not?

This is something mastina said, and there was no reason for it then either. Why are you parroting this?

Feeling pretty slimy the way you are wording this question Ceph.
I'm saying exactly what's on my mind and nothing more.

[NorwegianboyEE]

OK bud.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Me and Mastina has been walking in step for almost the entire game, but let's say: "it's an pattern today"
Have you been blind or something to only point it out today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or is that simply what you need to push to save Andante.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You pretty much scum claimed though. So i’d rather talk to Roden/Three Bears and Mala whom i think are the town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did Andante just up and leave slash give up? Even though they kept saying "it all depends on me, i'm the losing mislim" etc.

[NorwegianboyEE]

how did i scum claim? you just don't want to answer my questions because you don't have shit lmao

If my read on Mastina is wrong, prove me wrong.
I have read Mastina correctly and Mastina has read me correctly in every single game we have had.
You stating my read is fake is just an excuse for you to make bullshit associations so you don't need to scum case Mastina yourself.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And that is exactly what you are doing, it is so transparent.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you saying i haven't explained my reads when i did, multiple times?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I know you must think i'm easy to use as an tool for your agenda, but this is how i work. I soulread Mastina as town here and i do not think they flip scum, ever.
And if Mastine being scum is based on me being scum then i know for absolutely sure it's bullshit because i am town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How does one place a fake vote? I dont think that's even legal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You serious?
How is us placing toy votes around gonna help with fucking anything?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I need to go sleep before i start flipping tables.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I genuinely have no idea what you are saying Titus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Roden was maf? dang

Roden you did good though!! I like actually had you as a strong TR until today's voting me after the interaction case thing... but up through that. a solid tr

Hilarious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why don’t you just finish her off.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Obligatory i called it Mala was town yada yada.
Seriously shocked by Andante's proscum play though. I felt certain Tictac/Andante/Cephrir made sense as scum, although that might have been a bit blinded by the belief that there had to be 3 scum left for sure.
A team of 2 means that if was Cephrir/Tictac then Cephrir bussed Tictac yesterday. Or i'm wrong about any of Roden/Mastina/Three Bears. I still highly doubt Bears and Mastina so it's probably something like in Cephrir/Tictac/Roden for me. I wish i was more sure on Roden, and although i townread him most of yesterday my brain has gone crazy with theories ever since that flip yesterday.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like my thoughts are on Ceph/Tictac but unsure if possible 1 town with deepwolf in Roden. Not making any hasty conclusions though, i wanna think more deeply before i vote today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

First of all. Any info? I got no message or anything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm moldy.

What did it say in ur role pm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No message?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like if we no lim i’m probably gonna be molded next and that probably isn’t a good thing.
I mean what do we know? That molded players never get killed.
So scum want them alive?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Though Ceph could fake being molded too.
Since it was discussed to be scum ability.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Seriously nobody got a message?
Did it get sent to Mala? :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tictac can you check in plz.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As far as I'm concerned Mold is 3p confirmed now. Nobody molded is clear. honestly I kinda hate it was set as a scum ability and I know I sucked into that.

It's been the assumption because people in dead thread said it was TMI'd that way from Ircher.
Could easily have been wifom though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Traitor wins by claiming right now, I think.

I still think Mold has to be a scum ability. Scum should've hunted for 3P the past couple nights, since they risk losing if the Mold 3P wins by infecting everyone. But they apparently tried to kill Mala twice in a row, who was basically conftown but also confirmed not to be the Mold 3P. Scum loses if we don't elim 3P today and they don't NK them tonight, so unless scum is intentionally throwing I think it has to be a scum ability.

Unless ur 3p saying that, i think if we have 2 scum with molding ability then Tictac is prob one, and the other is fake claiming being molded to get townread for it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you have any specific theories.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Best I can think of is to reread Day 7 and see if anyone TMI'd that it wasn't actually ELo.

Otherwise my only other theory is that I'm likely getting pocketed, but I don't know who. The only way I'm not pocketed is if the team is you and Tictac, but again that's just the easy answer here and it probably isn't the case. I feel like I'm going to end up making the vote that costs us the game though. Kind of a soul sucking feeling tbh.

Page 232 shows Tictac "forgetting" we didn't have a "mislim banked" or whatever. If that's something you'd be looking for.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Andante was scummy af i have no regrets over pushing that elimination as hard as I did.

tictac should absolutely not have been allowed to stay alive until this point as an asectic claim - need to see if that was claimed as early as it should have been tbh

-Pinkie

First post of theirs in the game, took me 5 seconds to check.
Is morale dead?

[NorwegianboyEE]

My preferred lim today is Tictac, anyone got complaints about that? Any other big scumreads? Anything?

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwee is technically not clear in the sense that he got added to the neighborhood and told that catboi was vig the night catboi died. kind of suspicious in hindsight given catboi seemed like the right nightkill but then scum killed bell.

Bell died on the night i was added to the hood. I had no idea Catboi was a vig prior to me being added to the hood. You're mixing up the timeline.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I could enter the hood from the daystart after Bell had already died.

[NorwegianboyEE]

why do you townread us norwee?

Do you think i should be scumreading or paranoid of you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m more in doubt of whether Roden or Mastina could possibly be scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s gonna require quoting posts. I’ll do it later.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My vote is basically on Tictac btw.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In case it wasn’t clear.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually ima just put the money where my mouth is.
I 100% agree with the opinion that Tictac has to be scum here.
I know there has been townflips earlier but Galron did indeed fake claim when he shouldn’t have, and Andante i feel would have been the lim today on an Tictac!scumflip anyways.
So my reads are not really proven to have been wrong based on those flips. It’s just unlucky distractions imo. So i don’t see the need to re-evaluate away from Tictac!scum. So i say, kill Tictac today. Find the partner tommorow.
VOTE: Tictac

[NorwegianboyEE]

We need 4 for a lim. If scum team is 2 there won’t be an quickhammer no?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're not my mom. I do whatever i want.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i rb'd you last night

Ok so it was... night 4 roleblock on Roden.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I got molded. Pretty sure this means it isn't a 3P ability because scum wouldn't just leave me alone. Also pretty sure this means Mastina is town? Night 2 having no mold victims might be because the Vig killed the intended target.

Also, why is both Bell and the Mush slot dead? I really don't think the Vig would kill one of them, but I don't see us having two groupscum at this point either.

Roden got molded... Night 4.
So that means that STD roleblocked them and they also got molded on night 4.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There is absolutely 0 reasons for a town player to vote no-yeet so this is just tictac trying to cut losses.

finally, some sense

Weren’t you in favour of no yeet yesterday too?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh nvm VC says it was Andante.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: no lim

objectively correct

No wait, i found it.
You did.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm also curious if someone good with the lore could tell me what exactly mold is, i think i saw some videos of yucky mold people attacking the main character but that's all i really know.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well we got confirmation, Tictac gonna vote no yeet or Mastina.
Theres ur info Titus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Still not a fan of no yeet idea.
This isn't a mini normal. We don't know if it's beneficial or not, and because i don't townread Tictac that means i'm even less inclined to consider the idea.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Besides, Galron did literally get their chance to send their message last night. And they either failed hard by targeting and obv nightkill, target scum that is lying about not receiving message, or didn't send whatsoever.
So whoop dee doo i don't care much for it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do you think will happen in a no lim besides say Three Bears dying and me getting molded?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Three Bears did you still need time?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Three heads, no posts in two days.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i wonder if norwee scum would be scared of me.

Probably not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee come over here. Let's huddle and talk.

What you wanna talk about?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like whoever is scum in Mastina/Ceph is already TMI’ing that the true battle will be between them tommorow.
Tictac is just the fall guy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i do trust Mastina more, but i’ll give the game a fair shake and not just instavote tommorow. But making my bias clear prematurely is better for analyzing nightkills.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ceph did for example vote Tictac earlier yesterday, but that could have been planned bussing too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like whoever is scum in Mastina/Ceph is already TMI’ing that the true battle will be between them tommorow.
Tictac is just the fall guy.

its also possible that both are scum and tictac is the town elim that ends the game.

I feel like it would be galaxy brain levels of bussing for Mastina to be alligned with Ceph… and Dunn/Ircher.
Also hasn’t Mastina explained that they don’t really buss as scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Roden/Tictac doesn’t seem very likely. And i feel Roden would have voted them earlier if that was the case, because why try to save an struggling scumbuddy in this scenario when you’d be in a better position from bussing.
No it can only really be Tictac/Ceph or Tictac/Mastina here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m pretty damn sure Tictac just flips scum here anyways, but my guess is still Ceph/Tictac with an weak possibility of Tictac/Mastina.

[NorwegianboyEE]

ircher-mastina interactions look alright now.

Cephrir-tictac scum team?

Revolutionary take. My whole perspective on life changed.

No matter what your alignment here is, ain't nobody gonna tell you that u can't be funny.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well if it is then that's pretty shitty, but no point giving up just because there's a possibility it is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Stop trying to make no yeet happen, it’s not gonna happen.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either explain why this is a wagon on town with both scum on it. Or kill Tictac.
What else is there to do?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't expect me to help you tictac.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not voting Mastina today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, "saving Tictac for tommorow"? Really?
I don't really see me ever agreeing to this unless you were to be quite sure that exactly Ceph/Mastina is the team. And right now i'm of the opinion that it sounds absolutely ludicrous.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did LLD ever tell us who they protect on D1?
Like maybe that was clearing knowledge.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum had an doctor? Now that’s extremely annoying.
I wanted everyone to die and the setup screws me over like that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mastina and NorwegianboyEE's role PMs:

Welcome to CONTROL NorwegianboyEE!

You are Mold-1, a 1-shot Bulletproof Godfather Infectious Overseer aligned with The Mold

"Do as you're told, don't eat mold..."

Abilities

-During the day, you may vote for whoever you want to eliminate.
-You are made of an alien material, impervious to normal means of violence. The first attempt to kill you at night will fail.
-The mold controls the minds of others. You will investigate as your flavor safeclaim, Director Trench, and as a member of the

Federal Bureau of Control.

You will never appear as visiting your infection or kill targets.
-Left unchecked, the mold will take over the entire world, person by person. Each night, you may choose whether to infect another player with mold or to kill all players who are currently affected with mold. Infected players will be informed they have been infected. Mold infection or killing cannot be roleblocked.

You win once you are the only player remaining alive or nothing can prevent the same.
The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88500

Welcome to CONTROL mastina!

You are The Fridge, a Roleblocking Entity aligned with The Paranatural Entities

"< Danger @#$ Director @#$ Board @#$ Broken @#$#@ Deeper @#$ Understand? >"

Abilities

-During the day, you may vote for whoever you want to eliminate.
-You may discuss with your fellow

Paranatural Entities

at all times here: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=88505
-Each night, one member of the

Paranatural Entities

may attack and kill another player.
-If you do not look at the Fridge, it will hurt you...
Each night, you may force another player to stare at you, preventing them from completing any actions that night.

You win once the

Paranatural Entities

control 50% of the population or nothing can prevent the same.
The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88500

I’m informed scum killing cannot be roleblocked but scum had an doctor on their team to protect Mastina.

SAATANA

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mold killing*

[NorwegianboyEE]

I lost though.
Mafia had to control 50% of the game. And with me and Mastina left alive they fulfill wincon before i kill them.
:/

So annoyed by this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ughhh 2 months for nothing

[NorwegianboyEE]

We are ruling you also won because mafia wincon was not written as intended

And why wasn’t it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t want to like have a pity prize. If the wincon was written to be 50% then it’s 50%.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We are ruling you also won because mafia wincon was not written as intended

And why wasn’t it?

Because it was written for a mafia vs town game and not adjusted for a game with a third party which was a major oversight

But that’s the rule we all played by. Scum played with that thinking in mind.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is a scum win and a mold loss.
Mastina and Ceph outplayed me by being able to protect one another. And they knew that even if i kill everyone, an 50% control wins for them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The whole reason i fought against no lim was because i knew a town lim on Tictac would fulfill scums win condition before i could activate my nuke.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Because i was afraid scum would kill me at night if i ever outed Noraa.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also was afraid my 1-shot BP was expended on night 1 since no kill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

you could've pushed scum with us though which leads to wincon better too right? or did you not know tictac was town

I genuinely thought he was scum ascetic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Anyway i’m grateful for being allowed to win by technicality, but i can’t accept this as an win in my heart :/
I was never supposed to be able to scumside, my goal was to destroy everyone, and i didn’t factor in scum doctor that could block my killing. If i’d known that i would have radically changed my strategy and focused a lot more on killing scum than i ended up doing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sigh i thought having delayed kills was enough of an balancing between scum and 3P. I really did not see an full mafia doctor being in the setup when an scum JOAT too had just flipped.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This was a wild ride from the spectator thread.

@Norwee, I would count this as a mold win > a scum win from the sidelines - so take the win!

In almost all cases the "or if you control 50% of the population" line is just a time saver, because scum killing everyone at that point is inevitable. That inevitability was not here, so it should not have been in play (but I understand why scum would be upset with a declared scum loss, so I get the tie declaration). If the game played out, you killed Mastina before Mastina kills you. That means you win.

Scum could have beaten you if they shot you last night, but they apparently didn't, so that is the thing that tipped the game to you. You still had your bulletproof.

Mod said that you would have had to reapply your mold and then reignite to kill Mastina. If they had ever identified you, and shot you, then they would have won the race.

I guess it all comes down to the rule on whether scum would win before having killed any other 3P factions in the game.
But it was never really made clear to scum so if they’d known they might have been hunting more stringently for the mold 3P right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

One thing i’m curious about.
How would an scenario in which we move into night with 2 scum, 1 town and 1 mold that is bulletproof and has tagged all other players resolve? Technically scum would win instantly by that point due to controlling 50% of the game regardless of what would have happened that night, right?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Note of curiousity:
I infected TheWayItEnds on night 2, not expecting Tet to randomly push them as an elim. They then proceed to never claim having been molded. Which annoyed me as i wanted them to confirm it. But i couldn’t push them to claim it because that would obviously implicate me.
After i infected Galron and they said they were immune to molding by their ability i 100% believed they were scum and thus pushed for them hard. If they had just claimed being molded honestly i would have hard defended them and they likely would not have been the lim on that day.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NORWEE I TRUSTED YOU D:

*

We both thought we were pocketing each other at some point.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh and i see a lot of theories on "why didn't Norwee claim molded on the night that his target died?"
Well the thing is, i was planning to do EXACTLY that, but then an certain someone with an role called Galron came on with the ability to communicate with the dead, and it just so happens that Sircakez told me that "Players that die will still get notified of molding" So know what that means? It means that if i fake claim being molded on the night that a player dies, they can then tell Galron that i am lying and send the message to the alive thread!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly that ability for town was pretty anti-mold because it left no room for me to fake claim unless if i were to not use my ability on a night and do nothing. (Which i wasn't interested in doing unless i got very lucky with targeting players that stay in the game)

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i also did not want to kill on a night prior to nuking everyone because i wanted town and scum to keep guessing what mold is, and not outright make it clear what it is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Biggest oof's was targeting TWIE because my assumption was that this was an slot that would likely stay alive until endgame because it was quiet and not overly scummy. Then que Tet immediately posting that this was the scummiest slot ever and that we should kill them, and me thinking "oh well, i'll just go along until they claim molded and them back off" but THEY NEVER CLAIMED BEING MOLDED -.-

And StD was unlucky because it would have been the correct shot if they didn't bodyguard and lead the scum to kill them, even though i correctly predicted scum wasn't likely to want to kill them

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum pt plz