Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

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VOTE: Unvote

312 pages anyone wanna tldr?

Flavor Leaf wanna give me your latest targets? I wanna see where your reads are scoped first while I catch up.
Klick I don’t know much about you. I feel like there’s a void in my knowledge.

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actually, i dont even really scum read dunn or klick too much anymore.

Dont even really scum read Menalque, but think it's a solid fade with a chance of scum.

I'm at a reset now, kinda fell off, will start from scratch, but i dont think Klick is scum.

We're at a level right now where we have a lot of circular arguments regarding a lot of players of if they or arent they, and new night can help.

Since you’re saying everyone is in a circular argument should be easy to summarize no?

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votecount 3.3

Menalque (7) | cassowary, Save The Dragons, bnuuy, Flavor Leaf, Cat Scratch Fever, SCP 682, MonkeyMan576

Sword of Ducks (2) | tictac, Menalque

Klick (1) | Nero Cain
Dunnstral (1) | Nashville Dreams
Cat Scratch Fever (1) | The Keeper

Not Voting | Klick, MegAzumarill, Dunnstral, Sword of Ducks

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to politely ask someone to leave.

MonkeyMan576 is being replaced.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-06-01 09:03:00).

Nero’s probably town. Good vote imho.

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VOTE: Klick

Good vote while I catch up.

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Look at the VCs, tell us what you think. Then I will TLDR you.

Welcome.

~Titus

Will do after work but that won’t be until late.

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VOTE: Unvote

312 pages anyone wanna tldr?

Flavor Leaf wanna give me your latest targets? I wanna see where your reads are scoped first while I catch up.
Klick I don’t know much about you. I feel like there’s a void in my knowledge.

I’m Conf town, i don’t have any more targets

Docs on me tonight.

Why? I think you have a trigger finger and are good at fooling others. Can you please explain?

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I hard pushed Catboi and Mastina Day 1.

Then I killed them.

So?

Mastina tends to be dead weight as scum. Lemme see if amount of kills matches.

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Your slot claimed a Gun guilty on me after Day 2.

I claimed Vig in monkery Night 1.

This has been a big topic, others can point you in the direction.

I was already saying you had a gun. Can ISO me

Hence me wanting to sort you.

The main problem I have with a vig claim is that I would expect three kills a night at least right?

Town vig (your claim)
Mafia (another kill)
Werewolf (another kill)

There’s been 2 KPN based on the OP.

Care to explain why you’re town?

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VOTE: Unvote

312 pages anyone wanna tldr?

Flavor Leaf wanna give me your latest targets? I wanna see where your reads are scoped first while I catch up.
Klick I don’t know much about you. I feel like there’s a void in my knowledge.

Guns have a scope and point them at targets.

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also for other mech stuff:

me(im koba), FL, and StD are all monks meaning we are mechanically not Wolves

and Klick, MegA, and Tictac are all Masons so they are mechanically not Mafia.

I find Klick being a mason very laughable.

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if he is scum he is riding it off lucky night actions. i doubt wolves shoot at mastina here though.

Mastina isn’t the best scum player (sorry Mastina)

Shooting her for cred would be a good gambit

Otherwise we’re suggesting that two NKs are just missing?

That doesn’t seem likely.

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The others can. I have 1300 posts. Don’t plan to hit 1500 this game.


You might be missing the scum only can kill 2 nights every 3.

IMO, there’s like 50 more reasons why I’m town, but I’m done convincing of my slot this game.

I’ll put my anecdotes out to other slots when i have em

Oh rip that would explain.

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I have to get back to work but I am going to look at that masons claim tonight

Because Klick was ascetic last night.

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I have to get back to work but I am going to look at that masons claim tonight

Because Klick was ascetic last night.

How do you know you weren't roleblocked

Perhaps because your slot claimed gunsmith on day 2

Also, how does being ascetic relate to being a mason?

I don’t.

I got no result on Klick.

So it’s possible I was roleblocked but this seems to be power heavy game with many roles and so mafia would only have the reason to RB me. Werewolves iirc don’t have guns.

I am not saying I tried to GS Klick but whatever I tried got no action.

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also , math, tictac I believe claimed a 1 shot gunsmith themselves(or klick did). which means that the 2 1 shot gunsmith theory is not valid if you are claiming non-1 shot

I am claiming gunsmith on FL
Invest on click of some kind.

I won’t specify what.

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I am not sure of any of why my predecessor did what they did.

I really have to go sorry.

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I want to see Math's VCA. I wanna fight him on it. Actually both his VCAs but he may combine them into one.

~Titus

I might take a skim of the VCs later but I just got done with a super stressful shift and like I was asked to make a square round and invent data where it doesn’t exist and like I can’t? So spoons are zero.

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Yeah, i could kill Klick.

WallFlower theory will always be good in my heart of Catboi/Klick.

Catboi called it a dumb theory.

VOTE: Klick

These are the kind of things that ping me. Like you’re very logically inconsistent here.

You’re arguing that I (because I am monkey slot) am not scum with mastina namely a wolf.
However, you’re arguing my scumread of Klick is correct.

Like what? FL my head hurts.

Where is the masons claim btw? Were there crumbs?

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VOTE: Unvote

312 pages anyone wanna tldr?

Flavor Leaf wanna give me your latest targets? I wanna see where your reads are scoped first while I catch up.
Klick I don’t know much about you. I feel like there’s a void in my knowledge.

Welcome!

I confirmed myself as not-wolf to Menalque through my night action last night

Then why did the wagon on Menalque form? Why would you confirm yourself to them then a wagon is on them?

That doesn’t add up.

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Nashville Dreams - me
Cat Scratch Fever - Can only be wolves with Mel
Save The Dragons - monkery
Sword of Ducks - weak town lean

cassowary

Nero Cain - town
SCP 682 - monkery

The Keeper
Dunnstral

MegAzumarill - masonry

bnuuy - leaning against this here because VCA

tictac - masonry
MathBlade - town on Monkeyman, Math TBD
Klick - masonry
Flavor Leaf - monkery

Menalque


That's where I am at currently

~Titus

Assuming this is true,

If Klick is a mason then we confirm Tic Tac and Meg town right?
If Klick is not a mason then Tic Tac and Meg are confirmed to all be lying about masonry yeah?

So is it possible Klick+TicTac+Meg scum?

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@Math, how much had you read before your intro post?

I skimmed the OP and the last vote count.

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player/replacement ledger

butterchurn
Nashville Dreams (Titus & Malakittens)
Cat Scratch Fever
Save The Dragons
Toogeloo momo
Sword of Ducks
cassowary
Nero Cain Wallflower
SCP 682 Tracer Bullet
The Keeper
Dunnstral Well Done (Dunnstral & Lukewarm)
MegAzumarill
MalcolmTucker
bnuuy
tictac
MathBlade MonkeyMan576
Klick
Enchant
mastina
RCEnigma catboi
Flavor Leaf
Menalque
Ydrasse NorwegianboyEE

here

Nashville Dreams
Cat Scratch Fever
Save The Dragons
Sword of Ducks
cassowary
Nero Cain
SCP 682
The Keeper
Dunnstral
MegAzumarill
bnuuy
tictac
MathBlade
Klick
Flavor Leaf
Menalque

gone

Toogeloo,

Town Voyeur

, politely asked to leave Day 1.

RCEnigma,

Werewolf 1-shot Bookie

, fled town Night 1.

MalcolmTucker,

Town Hirsute Saint

, politely asked to leave Day 2.

Enchant,

Mafia Goon

, exorcised Day 2.

Ydrasse,

Town 1-shot Parity Cop Mayor

, fled town Twilight 2.

mastina,

Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker

, fled town Night 2.

butterchurn,

Malefactor 1-shot Watcher

, fled town Night 2.

Here this points to very swingy (read very good or very bad no middle) scum teams.

We have, assuming FL town (which I kinda disagree with but I know that’s pushing a brick wall nowhere), then we have werewolves shooting mafia N1. Werewolf shooting group traitor N2.this means either they didn’t view town as a threat or they didn’t have proper reads. With multiball everyone is trying to survive so this seems odd to me.

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Oh wait no that was FL

We are missing a kill even still

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VOTE: Unvote

How exactly does exorcism work?

And why was there a twilight flip?

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Is kill flavor indicative of the kill done?

If it is that would indicate if FL shot RC and the butter person?

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Lemme ask Cephrir really quick.

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If Klick is not a mason then Tic Tac and Meg are confirmed to all be lying about masonry yeah?

need to stop this.

zero chance it's a lie, even if somehow they were all scum.

I’m confused.

In normal games masons are town aligned

Why would I need to stop asking questions about someone I have a result I couldn’t get a check on?

Yes I do tend to scumread you but I have also townread you before as well

I am just asking questions to piece things together

If you’re as town as you say you are me poking around won’t change anything.

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math regardless of what night flips have happened just acknowledge that flavor leaf is not a prophet and cannot predict that wolves are going to shoot mastina for him on a night where he is supposed to do just that to prove himself.

No it would just have to be the mafia night kill done on a mafia, which would be pro win con.

I did something similar shooting Karnos in Shadowrun.

I want to figure out which alignment did which kill.

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u are moonlogicking


I'd like you to actually put your focus on reading Nashville, who is titus, after seeing you thoroughly dismantle a scum titus on replacing in in my recent game.

Admittedly yes it’s a bit out there

But if we’re conf towning Flavor Leaf we need to eliminate any possibility he’s scum. He’s that good and gets ridiculous clears.

To be frank I don’t have a read on Titus yet. My reason I was able to scope her out easily last game is because of my role and how she responded and then just gave up. Whatever her alignment she seems interested which is either town or someone I can extract info or wine from so I will go with town for now.

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Masons are conf not Mafia.

This is multiball.

SPC, STD, and I are Monks, and confirmed not Wolves.

Oh so they’re not conf town they are confirmed not mafia

Definitely down for a Klick wagon then

VOTE: Klick

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is flavor was town he would have taken me up on the idea to shoot outside to dodge a possible mafia doc rather than blast his own partner with the nightkill.

is it possible he did blast mastina? sure.

is is stupid to do so and make yourself a target to wolves? very much so.

so the chances FL is scum who has laid out a shitty plan to win is very low, near 0.

He just doesn’t feel right

I see the other posts to focus elsewhere but he feels wrong.

Like I can’t explain it.

I am going back to figuring out the kills.

And sure FL you quoted that. Here I am town saying you feel weird.

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And yes I am going to try to figure out the kills assuming FL is town for the record

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is flavor was town he would have taken me up on the idea to shoot outside to dodge a possible mafia doc rather than blast his own partner with the nightkill.

is it possible he did blast mastina? sure.

is is stupid to do so and make yourself a target to wolves? very much so.

so the chances FL is scum who has laid out a shitty plan to win is very low, near 0.

He just doesn’t feel right

I see the other posts to focus elsewhere but he feels wrong.

Like I can’t explain it.

I am going back to figuring out the kills.

And sure FL you quoted that. Here I am town saying you feel weird.

I had 1.2k posts Day 1.

Yes there’s no way I can read that much.

That’s why I am saying sure believe that and move on.

I have stated you’re off to me

Now I am trying to move forward assuming you’re town. Please let me

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Assuming FL is town

Toogeloo, Town Voyeur, politely asked to leave Day 1. << Elimination
RCEnigma, Werewolf 1-shot Bookie, fled town Night 1.

MalcolmTucker, Town Hirsute Saint, politely asked to leave Day 2.
Enchant, Mafia Goon, exorcised Day 2.

Ydrasse, Town 1-shot Parity Cop Mayor, fled town Twilight 2.

mastina, Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker, fled town Night 2.
butterchurn, Malefactor 1-shot Watcher, fled town Night 2.

Fled town is some sort of gun.
Exorcised is some sort of occult thing? Maybe werewolves being gory?

If we assume FL town then butterchurn would have to be mafia kill
And exorcism werewolves

Unless wolves didn’t kill N1 or N2?

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For someone who is supposedly focused on wagons and how people respond to them, you seem to have very little interest in seeing how the person being wagoned responds to it. Why are you so interested in forcing a wagon through on an unclaimed slot, most of which likely happened while he was asleep, judging by his usual posting times? I'm not "requesting a stall", this is basic level play that anyone should be doing as town. Don't pretend like you don't know better.

Butterchurn was shot N2. Assuming it’s a mafia kill then one of two things happened
ND is scared mafia
Or more likely ND is town and butterchurn was pushing town

Whoever butterchurn voted is more likely to be town and defended more likely to be some kind of scum

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mastina has been killed. She was a...

Spoiler:
Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker

Loathed: If this player is eliminated or killed by Town during the Day, the first elimination of the Day will not end the Day, and will be followed by an additional elimination.

Activated Wolfsbane: Chooses nights to become immune to wolf kills

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This could have happened Night 1.

There's also possibly unclaimed protectives out there that we dont need claiming yet.

Possibly and yes.

It’s more about assigning the kills known to get motivation then looking at the D2 eod VCs and then the VCs that happened and getting the narrative

Starting from facts and going backward

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Part of me thinks Mathblade/Monkey could be a wolf here who got roleblocked by Mastina, and it stopped a kill.

The angleshooting/scum kill scum I generally see coming from scum.

Monkey sitting on Catboi, but really was just being a cheerleader could be a bus vote they didnt expect to go through. But then Catboi flipped Wolf, and they turned, and happened to claim a role that was already out there.

But now they have more?

?? I literally got no info on Klick

I claimed my role immediately on replace in like wtf?

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Part of me thinks Mathblade/Monkey could be a wolf here who got roleblocked by Mastina, and it stopped a kill.

The angleshooting/scum kill scum I generally see coming from scum.

Monkey sitting on Catboi, but really was just being a cheerleader could be a bus vote they didnt expect to go through. But then Catboi flipped Wolf, and they turned, and happened to claim a role that was already out there.

But now they have more?

It’s also a literal fact scum killed scum unless you believe that a vig killed butter

Like ??? I don’t get your thought process here

You sound more pissed that I am trying to sort you versus actual reasoning

And when I try to proceed forward asking questions not about you it’s shade?

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Im gonna check your alignment tonight

run away

So Ydrasse was going to check Enchants alignment

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Math, we acknowledged that there could exist 2 town 1-shot gunsmiths in a setup where they would likely get minimal value. (although I believed one of them to be scum) - but now that you are claiming more than the slot initially claimed it feels suspicious. However I don't see why you would slip like that as scum so I would like you to focus on reads over mechanics when we barely know any of the roles atp.

I derive reads from facts first

I am incapable of doing as you ask right now

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Flavor Leaf (8) | Klick, tictac, Dunnstral, cassowary,

mastina

,

MalcolmTucker

, Menalque, MonkeyMan576

power through this entire wagon, tbh.

guarantee you there are 2+ scum on it other than Mastina.

I’d say pretty likely Klick is scum. So seems like a pretty safe bet. Yeah I’d be down for that

And shush yes I am agreeing with FL and I think that’s the first protown thing he’s said and yes I am there but the sentiment I agree with.

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Math, we acknowledged that there could exist 2 town 1-shot gunsmiths in a setup where they would likely get minimal value. (although I believed one of them to be scum) - but now that you are claiming more than the slot initially claimed it feels suspicious. However I don't see why you would slip like that as scum so I would like you to focus on reads over mechanics when we barely know any of the roles atp.

I derive reads from facts first

I am incapable of doing as you ask right now

Facts are flips, people's reads, vote counts.

Roleclaims are facts too but they do not derive alignment in the same way.

Facts are anything mod given (flips and VCs)
Stances are murky because I haven’t read so I don’t know when they change

So when I replace in it’s easier for me to start from mod posts.

Based on butters EoD ND is probably town
And whoever Ydrasse was going to use the parity check with is probably not mafia
Because IF FL is town (which I am warming up to) then enchant not taking out FL to save Mastina means they feared that check more

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enchant not taking out FL to save Mastina means they feared that check more

Enchant died to a Supersaint variation because they hammered, and Enchant was here to hammer, and only laid hammer votes.

But Enchant picked who died after them.

Enchant picked Ydrasse over you.

Why? That means scum feared that check.

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I think that’s the first protown thing he’s said

wtf, I've called out two scum, then shot them both, correctly called out 2 town, defended Toogeloo to life and death.

First pro town thing I've said? I've had near perfect reads this game, and went into depth with my reads on essentially every slot.

VOTE: Mathblade


What non pro town thing have I said this game?

This is pure discrediting attempts to avoid me getting conf town.

First protown thing you’ve said since my replace in.

If you’re not conf town you’re not shot at?

There is zero harm in me sorting your right now

This feels like an overreaction here

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oh, Enchant chose Ydrasse.

I thought Ydrasse died because of being connected to Malcolm.

Hmm.

Eh, she claimed Parity Cop. Ydrasse didn't say anything about who they were checking, as far as I recall.

I was pushing her as a Catboi buddy.

Ydrasse’s last words were they were checking Enchant

So mainly I am trying to get inside mafia’s head here

Again ASUMMING YOU ARE TOWN why does mafia pick Ydrasse to die over you?

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You doing this doesnt just make me magically not conf town.

Scum are gonna see me as conf town no matter what, even if there are a few doubts elsewhere.

Then I am still going to sort you.

Mainly assume all these are true:

>> FL is town
>> Enchant chose to kill Ydrasse
>> Who does that point towards being mafia?

This is not a shade this is genuine question

If FL is town and that they are a monk was known before that choice then scum would know Mastina would die

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Based on this then IF we assume Mastina roleblocked me over you

Then Monkeys reads end of D2 likely had a mafia in them.

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I think Enchant just picked. Only 40 minutes in between. I highly doubt they were reading the game.

I thought Ydrasse was high wolf possibility, so they could have just been taking a wolf.

Also, I feel like Mastina could have thought she wasn't going to die, tbh.

But yeah, you're putting a lot of stock into assuming Enchant had a reason besides just saying a name of one that claimed Parity Cop.

Why would Mastina think she wouldn’t die?

Iirc she could only block herself from wolf kills, you said you’re outed not wolf by then yeah?

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I think Dunn is just making things up as they go along.

Looking back this probably means Dunn is mafia IF we assume Enchant put thought into which person or had a scum team suggest Ydrasse over FL.

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Minus the additional gunsmith claim, this is playing out personality wise as I expect.

Math, can you stop arguing with FL and do a VCA?

~Titus

I am trying to do that. Starting from what we know the kills

Then assigning alignments accordingly. Then skim VCAs

I just am very limited in what energy I do have

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Mastina mightve known she would have died, I guess.

Doesn't mean Enchant knew what was going on, though.

I’d find it unlikely an entire team wouldn’t suggest things though.

Find the motivation find the scum.

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Wagon 1) catboi (wolf likely contains limited/no wolves) >> Menalque, NorwegianboyEE, MonkeyMan576, Wallflower, Sword of Ducks, MalcolmTucker

Wagon 2) me top wagon + bunch of tiny wagons. I am town, ND is likely town, based on suggestion bnuy is likely town, std iirc is not a wolf, wolves seem to be happy with this spread given catboi/RC wagon died. Enchant and Mastina off wagon so likely mafia happy or they are both inactive

Wagon 3) Mainly me, should demonstrate I am not a wolf. Has a lot of unknowns. Would definitely look at Tictac

Wagon 4) tvt

Enchant was prodded (explains lack of voting) Mastina has posted but hasn’t voted

Wagon 5) catboi comes back. Town reasserted control and stopped TvT wagons likely scum didn’t have influence and town took it away

Wagon 6) ND — Given ND probably town and catboi slot flipped scum likely scum motivation here

Wagon 7) bnuuuy — likely town or deep wolf if consensus is correct means town lost control and devolved into TvT wagons find out why

Wagon 8) tic Tac

Wagon 9) Toog

Toog flips town. Tic Tac looks scum.

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Gonna do a brief skim of D2 now.

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This is all assuming FL is town

Wagon 1) FL vs lots of others. If a scum wagon at all exists it’s Meg. Town likely not in control
Wagon 2) FL v Meg. Like Meg wagon. Meg might be scum. Worth a poke
Wagon 3) FL wagon is garbage. Likely mafia Dunn, tic tac wagon earlier and Klick… ewww
CSF is an unknown but ND wagon is bad. Likely town not in control
Wagon 4) FL, town definitely not in control. Wagon is shit aim for the front. Dunn and tic tac need death
Wagon 5) CSF if scum not with Tictac prolly town seems to regain control

Next notable wagon CSF v Dunn
CSF would have to be opposite mafia Dunn so CSF wolf but CSF be wolf if monk claim is true so guessing town? Could be mafia v mafia so Enchant and Mastina didn’t care but unlikely so going with CSF town

Dunn gets up to 7 and CSF wagon disappears for ND odd

More credence to CSF town and Dunn doesn’t have an influential buddy or prior assessment Dunn mafia is wrong

Malcom wagoned day ends

Tic tac and Dunn need death

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I don’t have the spoons right now but I usually also cross reference who is on which wagon on d1 and d2 and poke them.

But if I had a vig I would do tic tac or Dunn

VOTE: Dunn

I think a Dunn wagon is good.

I think Klick is an acceptable wagon as no result but could be a Mastina block.

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I guess mostly I think I’ll have more fun hanging out in the dead thread with catboi than in the main one here

Menalque is honest about not having fun.

I like don’t have the energy for that many posts but if they’re scum it’s wolf

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When did FL claim not wolf?

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I mean monk for clarity. The first time he did so?

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i think pooky(tracer bullet) [who is my slot] outted him early on in day 1 or FL outted it. I dont remember which and i dont feel like wading throught posts.

FL and Pooky fought a bunch in the hood. Pooky thought Catboi/FL/Menalque were all scum before he replaced out.

It’s more mafia would be aware that FL can’t be wolf then unless the entire wolf team is csp/std/fl if I remembered the wolf hood right. So then Dunn is very likely mafia so then scum block me afraid of a gun check on Dunn being true.

Catboi + FL is impossible because monk and that’s even more moon logic that doesn’t make sense

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I guess mostly I think I’ll have more fun hanging out in the dead thread with catboi than in the main one here

Menalque is honest about not having fun.

I like don’t have the energy for that many posts but if they’re scum it’s wolf

I agree that they are wolf, I think he is very paired with catboi here and the lack of motivation is because they are actually scum who wants to lurk out the pressure just like they tried to in the last time I saw him as scum here:
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Possible but I would rather eliminate one team first.

If we can hit mafia and get rid of them all then we limit the NKs available and make it traditional mafia.

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Mainly I would go for Dunn/TicTac with Klick/Menalque being acceptable.

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your slot claimed 1 shot and it was very believable based on the other claim existing(IMO) and overall town power has been relatively weak in terms of flipped/claimed roles so it is weird that they *would* choose to roleblock your slot



if youre doing a fancy pants play with this claim, please retract it now because you are only digging a hole here that feels really fake based on reasonable actions.

I would however flip Klick before you to check if he is ascetic though - as I found NPOM slot townie despite being egregiously wrong on multiple fronts throughout the game. I just can't shake the inconsistencies I am seeing from your mechanical claim - but also I feel that again, your claim as scum would be much cleaner.

I don’t give a shit.

Flip me, demonstrate Klick likely false.

I true claimed I have no result from an action on Klick

It’s likely that I was blocked by Mastina and it explains why FL wasn’t blocked if town.

So no? From what I see things make sense and it’s the truth.

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I guess mostly I think I’ll have more fun hanging out in the dead thread with catboi than in the main one here

Menalque is honest about not having fun.

I like don’t have the energy for that many posts but if they’re scum it’s wolf

I agree that they are wolf, I think he is very paired with catboi here and the lack of motivation is because they are actually scum who wants to lurk out the pressure just like they tried to in the last time I saw him as scum here:
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Possible but I would rather eliminate one team first.

If we can hit mafia and get rid of them all then we limit the NKs available and make it traditional mafia.

I agree killing all mafia is a good idea because it makes me clear. But your recently stated FOSes include 2 in the masonry and 1 who is only ever scum with catboi here and dunn who I think atp is somewhat likely to flip town.

I think cass is a good candidate to flip mafia. My vote *is* there in spirit right now and I will hammer it if it is put at e-1.

Who is in the masonry? I forget

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i don't think it's likely that scum mastina claims beloved princess if she actually is a beloved princess

i also don't take any weight in true-claiming mastina because what if one day she decides to fuck with that maybe today is the day maybe there never will be a day but maybe it's today

i don't think mastina's scum i'm just grumpy this morning and trying to make a point

Most likely scenario is that beloved princess is mastina's actual role this game

Pushing mastina on day 1 is pretty anti-town. It's a 23 person game, we can't do anything better than risk hitting a claimed BP on day 1? Maybe somebody here is a vig and blasts them night 1 because they don't trust them.

is this scum/scum with mastina? i say likely no

I say yes.

Scum Well Done would know Mastina has partial BP

And odds of an N1 vig on Mastina are limited

If scum slow down cross kills they can ursurp control

So I would argue given Mastina’s role likely

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Logically then Flavor is townreading mafia.

Fl said he was leashed to killing Mastina iirc.

So ???

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I mean monk for clarity. The first time he did so?

It's a near given FL is in a monkery. SCP and StD vouch for it. They'd have to exactly be partners for the monkery not to be fake and it was claimed to be D1. That would also put us in the position with a confirmed real masonry (by deaths) and no monkery which makes zero sense.

If FL is scum at all, it's mafia.

~Titus

I agree on this.

It’s more establishing what mafia knew and when.

My theory Dunn is mafia relies on FL being town and Mastina roleblocking me.

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I mean monk for clarity. The first time he did so?

It's a near given FL is in a monkery. SCP and StD vouch for it. They'd have to exactly be partners for the monkery not to be fake and it was claimed to be D1. That would also put us in the position with a confirmed real masonry (by deaths) and no monkery which makes zero sense.

If FL is scum at all, it's mafia.

~Titus

I agree on this.

It’s more establishing what mafia knew and when.

My theory Dunn is mafia relies on FL being town and Mastina roleblocking me.

Too much mechanics if a read depends on multiple other reads atm.

What's your cassoway read? Do you believe Klick can be town?

~Titus

Cassowary didn’t come up as a major wagon.

Haven’t seen them post so they are null for me.

Yes, if Mastina roleblocked me it’s possible but highly unlikely. Dual gunsmiths is possible if mod wants to throw off meta but it’s more likely that Klick is some kind of scum.

I just think Dunn is even more unlikely.

And yes my reads are if them else always have been

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Do you think we should massclaim? most of the unclaimed are slots that most ppl suspect.

I'd rather not claim at this time.

Also, are scum multitasking?

~Titus

Seconded I agree with FL that protectives should stay hidden.

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Titus weird question

Who shoots FL more mafia or wolves?

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Here's my thinking

If we suppose FL is town, then it's likely both scumteams ignored their shot N1.
N2 we should then have three kills: vig, mafia, and wolf. Flavor's kill is present and on mastina.
a) if mafia then shot butterchurn, then mastina's block target was likely wolf shooting someone. This creates a big FoS on Mathblade.
b) if wolves shot butterchurn, then mafia wouldn't block themselves. mafia then likely shot someone very popular.

If we suppose FL is mafia, then we should see a maximum of one kill. This is for the following reasons

a) FL flipped targets twice. While FL could be a mafia 1 shot vig in a monkery, that would be borderline bastard so I'm excluding it. Therefore, a kill on N3 for mafia cannot happen. FL is out of shots supposedly so that could not happen. The only kill that could happen N3 is a ww kill. If we see two shots tonight, FL is confirmed town.

Therefore, if mafia want to keep FL in the elimination pool, they have to no kill tonight in addition to no killing N1.

For now, it's best to assume FL is telling the truth.

~Titus

I can vibe this and I get the FoS

But keep in mind assume incorrectly I am scum I just never talk about my no result on Klick lol.

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Titus weird question

Who shoots FL more mafia or wolves?

Wolves and that seems pretty braindead. FL is practically confirmed not wolf. There's still a moonlogic argument he's mafia.

Thanks for indulging me

My questions and why I am doing what I am doing will make sense later

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We are Hirsute (werewolf miller)

Well Done is now Dunnstral.

For my iso because this game has a lot of replacements and is long.

I also don’t think two werewolf millers exist.

I also think two town werewolf millers is a stretch.

I think Dunn is mafia but if I am wrong it’s much more likely wolf than town.

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Wait what. I posted when it was e-1 as last posts and now there's a pi Blade?!
Forums be weird yo.

MB your slot is scummy as all heck to me, jsyk.

Noted faer.

I don’t mind the shade.

I am not religious but I will hope to bless town in unique ways you may not understand

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Might also be checking fl
2 be continued...

Yes. The person from masonry did check fl, and he does have a gun.
Is now also claiming 1 shot, which is new. Believes it doesn't conflict w monkeyman.
So **shrug**
VOTE: leaf

@Titus I was trying to take a look at Cassoway’s iso and this post game up as I was looking at related posts.

Why are you acting like this is a new thing?

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Might also be checking fl
2 be continued...

Yes. The person from masonry did check fl, and he does have a gun.
Is now also claiming 1 shot, which is new. Believes it doesn't conflict w monkeyman.
So **shrug**
VOTE: leaf

@Titus I was trying to take a look at Cassoway’s iso and this post game up as I was looking at related posts.

Why are you acting like this is a new thing?

#confused, too many pronouns to answer and not sure what you're talking about.

You acted surprised about my gunsmith claim.

It was claimed D1/2 whichever this post is from.

So why are you surprised by it?

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Here's my thinking

If we suppose FL is town, then it's likely both scumteams ignored their shot N1.
N2 we should then have three kills: vig, mafia, and wolf. Flavor's kill is present and on mastina.
a) if mafia then shot butterchurn, then mastina's block target was likely wolf shooting someone. This creates a big FoS on Mathblade.
b) if wolves shot butterchurn, then mafia wouldn't block themselves. mafia then likely shot someone very popular.

If we suppose FL is mafia, then we should see a maximum of one kill. This is for the following reasons

a) FL flipped targets twice. While FL could be a mafia 1 shot vig in a monkery, that would be borderline bastard so I'm excluding it. Therefore, a kill on N3 for mafia cannot happen. FL is out of shots supposedly so that could not happen. The only kill that could happen N3 is a ww kill. If we see two shots tonight, FL is confirmed town.

Therefore, if mafia want to keep FL in the elimination pool, they have to no kill tonight in addition to no killing N1.

For now, it's best to assume FL is telling the truth.

~Titus

I can vibe this and I get the FoS

But keep in mind assume incorrectly I am scum I just never talk about my no result on Klick lol.

@Titus literally my response?

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Here's my thinking

If we suppose FL is town, then it's likely both scumteams ignored their shot N1.
N2 we should then have three kills: vig, mafia, and wolf. Flavor's kill is present and on mastina.
a) if mafia then shot butterchurn, then mastina's block target was likely wolf shooting someone. This creates a big FoS on Mathblade.
b) if wolves shot butterchurn, then mafia wouldn't block themselves. mafia then likely shot someone very popular.

If we suppose FL is mafia, then we should see a maximum of one kill. This is for the following reasons

a) FL flipped targets twice. While FL could be a mafia 1 shot vig in a monkery, that would be borderline bastard so I'm excluding it. Therefore, a kill on N3 for mafia cannot happen. FL is out of shots supposedly so that could not happen. The only kill that could happen N3 is a ww kill. If we see two shots tonight, FL is confirmed town.

Therefore, if mafia want to keep FL in the elimination pool, they have to no kill tonight in addition to no killing N1.

For now, it's best to assume FL is telling the truth.

~Titus

I can vibe this and I get the FoS

But keep in mind assume incorrectly I am scum I just never talk about my no result on Klick lol.

@Titus literally my response?

Literally my brain....

*mush*

When it’s not mush let’s talk.

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VOTE: dunn

Point of note Menalque wouldn’t vote Klick but would vote Dunn. As an FYI for later

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Assuming FL is town

Toogeloo, Town Voyeur, politely asked to leave Day 1. << Elimination
RCEnigma, Werewolf 1-shot Bookie, fled town Night 1.

MalcolmTucker, Town Hirsute Saint, politely asked to leave Day 2.
Enchant, Mafia Goon, exorcised Day 2.

Ydrasse, Town 1-shot Parity Cop Mayor, fled town Twilight 2.

mastina, Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker, fled town Night 2.
butterchurn, Malefactor 1-shot Watcher, fled town Night 2.

Fled town is some sort of gun.
Exorcised is some sort of occult thing? Maybe werewolves being gory?

If we assume FL town then butterchurn would have to be mafia kill
And exorcism werewolves

Unless wolves didn’t kill N1 or N2?

idk why we are speculating on flavor
i thought flavor is just flavor

I am trying to focus on who did what.

Eg the Roden kill last game pointed at you.

I think too few people do nightkill analysis/look back at reads.

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Maybe the game is just *not very fun*

Yeet the negativity please.

The game is fun.

Positive vibes only.

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Maybe the game is just *not very fun*

Yeet the negativity please.

The game is fun.

Positive vibes only.

Insisting it's fun does not make it fun

See I think only mafia/wolves would say that when cards aren’t in their favor.

I may not have an ace up my sleeve but I can use my strengths to create situations where scum have to trade influence with me.

Let’s start from what your thoughts are and where they differ from the hood?

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Assuming FL is town

Toogeloo, Town Voyeur, politely asked to leave Day 1. << Elimination
RCEnigma, Werewolf 1-shot Bookie, fled town Night 1.

MalcolmTucker, Town Hirsute Saint, politely asked to leave Day 2.
Enchant, Mafia Goon, exorcised Day 2.

Ydrasse, Town 1-shot Parity Cop Mayor, fled town Twilight 2.

mastina, Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker, fled town Night 2.
butterchurn, Malefactor 1-shot Watcher, fled town Night 2.

Fled town is some sort of gun.
Exorcised is some sort of occult thing? Maybe werewolves being gory?

If we assume FL town then butterchurn would have to be mafia kill
And exorcism werewolves

Unless wolves didn’t kill N1 or N2?

idk why we are speculating on flavor
i thought flavor is just flavor

I am trying to focus on who did what.

Eg the Roden kill last game pointed at you.

I think too few people do nightkill analysis/look back at reads.

That was Mala. See no capials.

~Titus

Spill the tea. Whatcha thinking about this VC situation atm?

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Then let’s focus on making it fun again.

Barren hoods typically (not always) mean a scum is in that hood.

Who do you think could be/is scum in there?

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Then let’s focus on making it fun again.

Barren hoods typically (not always) mean a scum is in that hood.

Who do you think could be/is scum in there?

this game was confirmed to have a random element, and could have had all 3 be scum in there.

Possibly. I pretty much consider everything rand anyway.

I just doubt a mod would rand two Hirsuite millers combined with the night actions make Dunn sus.

Klick is sus for the no result (could be Mastina) and gunsmith (could be randed twice but doubt it)

I think the elim should be between Klick and Dunn for those reasons.

Menalque is also okay but those two are better.

Priority

Dunn
Klick
Menalque

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Let’s goooo!

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math, what do you think of meg?

She hasn’t posted since my replace in and hasn’t come up in VCA.

Are like people in prod range?

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This is all assuming FL is town

Wagon 1) FL vs lots of others. If a scum wagon at all exists it’s Meg. Town likely not in control
Wagon 2) FL v Meg. Like Meg wagon. Meg might be scum. Worth a poke
Wagon 3) FL wagon is garbage. Likely mafia Dunn, tic tac wagon earlier and Klick… ewww
CSF is an unknown but ND wagon is bad. Likely town not in control
Wagon 4) FL, town definitely not in control. Wagon is shit aim for the front. Dunn and tic tac need death
Wagon 5) CSF if scum not with Tictac prolly town seems to regain control

Next notable wagon CSF v Dunn
CSF would have to be opposite mafia Dunn so CSF wolf but CSF be wolf if monk claim is true so guessing town? Could be mafia v mafia so Enchant and Mastina didn’t care but unlikely so going with CSF town

Dunn gets up to 7 and CSF wagon disappears for ND odd

More credence to CSF town and Dunn doesn’t have an influential buddy or prior assessment Dunn mafia is wrong

Malcom wagoned day ends

Tic tac and Dunn need death

@Titus start the iso here for my mini VCA. Individual slots VCA I haven’t had time to do individual people. This is bigger than most completed larges.

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This is all assuming FL is town

Wagon 1) FL vs lots of others. If a scum wagon at all exists it’s Meg. Town likely not in control
Wagon 2) FL v Meg. Like Meg wagon. Meg might be scum. Worth a poke
Wagon 3) FL wagon is garbage. Likely mafia Dunn, tic tac wagon earlier and Klick… ewww
CSF is an unknown but ND wagon is bad. Likely town not in control
Wagon 4) FL, town definitely not in control. Wagon is shit aim for the front. Dunn and tic tac need death
Wagon 5) CSF if scum not with Tictac prolly town seems to regain control

Next notable wagon CSF v Dunn
CSF would have to be opposite mafia Dunn so CSF wolf but CSF be wolf if monk claim is true so guessing town? Could be mafia v mafia so Enchant and Mastina didn’t care but unlikely so going with CSF town

Dunn gets up to 7 and CSF wagon disappears for ND odd

More credence to CSF town and Dunn doesn’t have an influential buddy or prior assessment Dunn mafia is wrong

Malcom wagoned day ends

Tic tac and Dunn need death

@Titus start the iso here for my mini VCA. Individual slots VCA I haven’t had time to do individual people. This is bigger than most completed larges.

You and I both know that's not a VCA. There's no conclusions beyond Tictac and Dunn need death. I have no idea which faction you feel they belong to.

You talk about wagons assuming FL is town but there's a whole D1 it seems you've missed.

I have no idea what this is, but this is not the VCA I asked for.

~Titus

this is mathblade VCA.. i have seen this type of VCA from math and npom was transparently town.

Npom isn't in this game?

Also, I wasn't shading Math. I can call him out on bullshit without saying he's scum. Even if this is the type of VCA he usually does, it leaves out half the known data and its reasons are murky. That needs clarification.

~Titus

That was me doing it real time. With games of this size and my current workload that’s just too much depth I can’t do.

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math, what do you think of meg?

She hasn’t posted since my replace in and

hasn’t come up in VCA

.

Are like people in prod range?

Wagon 1) FL vs lots of others. If a scum wagon at all exists it’s Meg. Town likely not in control
Wagon 2) FL v Meg. Like Meg wagon. Meg might be scum. Worth a poke

math this is kinda a deflect and looks like a lie. Did you just forget that you had talked about her or something?

I forgot because human.

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It wouldn’t be a Nero game if he didn’t suspect me at some point lmao.

And Titus I have said several times I think Dunn is mafia more likely but could also be wolf
Klick by the nature of the hood can only be one type of scum

Where is this coming from?

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Scum of some kind?
See above for answers to who is town by VCA

Tangible solid conclusions are above.

I have a PoE I have stated I want to elim in.
I have stated I want to elim one group first in order to get the KPN down.
I think Dunn is the best chance for that.

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I was basing it off of my slot possibly being blocked and monkey’s last sus was Dunnstral

I haven’t read for fine details like that

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Why are YOU not scum reading me Math? You've scum read me every game since your first game on this site

1) That’s a lie
2) you haven’t done anything that pings me

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I was basing it off of my slot possibly being blocked and monkey’s last sus was Dunnstral

I haven’t read for fine details like that

Please do. That's the discussion I want to have. That's the VCA I am pleading for, before it gets too skewed by context.

~Titus

That’s 320 ish pages. That to be frank is not happening before nightfall if ever.

You don’t read on replace in it’s a known thing. Make do. I won’t be doing more than that other than interactions until night fall

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also 8117 is a deflect. I could buy that there was a human error instead of malice but its plenty reasonable to momentarly this you are scum that deflected and lied.

It’s reasonable yet incorrect.

As scum I keep in mind everyone’s thoughts and opinions and rarely if ever make a mistake like you’re implying.

You’re welcome to mistakenly argue that but it’s wrong.

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I was basing it off of my slot possibly being blocked and monkey’s last sus was Dunnstral

I haven’t read for fine details like that

Please do. That's the discussion I want to have. That's the VCA I am pleading for, before it gets too skewed by context.

~Titus

That’s 320 ish pages. That to be frank is not happening before nightfall if ever.

You don’t read on replace in it’s a known thing. Make do. I won’t be doing more than that other than interactions until night fall

In what world are you determining that I ask you read. I'm asking you to do VCA without reading.

~Titus

The VCa without reading is above.

Which slots are town and which votes are good requires context.

Context requires reading.

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Wagon 1) catboi (wolf likely contains limited/no wolves) >> Menalque, NorwegianboyEE, MonkeyMan576, Wallflower, Sword of Ducks, MalcolmTucker

Wagon 2) me top wagon + bunch of tiny wagons. I am town, ND is likely town, based on suggestion bnuy is likely town, std iirc is not a wolf, wolves seem to be happy with this spread given catboi/RC wagon died. Enchant and Mastina off wagon so likely mafia happy or they are both inactive

Wagon 3) Mainly me, should demonstrate I am not a wolf. Has a lot of unknowns. Would definitely look at Tictac

Wagon 4) tvt

Enchant was prodded (explains lack of voting) Mastina has posted but hasn’t voted

Wagon 5) catboi comes back. Town reasserted control and stopped TvT wagons likely scum didn’t have influence and town took it away

Wagon 6) ND — Given ND probably town and catboi slot flipped scum likely scum motivation here

Wagon 7) bnuuuy — likely town or deep wolf if consensus is correct means town lost control and devolved into TvT wagons find out why

Wagon 8) tic Tac

Wagon 9) Toog

Toog flips town. Tic Tac looks scum.

D1 is here

Each post states wagons and why they are that alignment because of prior push.

This is pretty simple to follow

Find major wagon of name provided.

Back track from known facts

Conclusion reached

Are you reading my posts at all?

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Then let’s focus on making it fun again.

Barren hoods typically (not always) mean a scum is in that hood.

Who do you think could be/is scum in there?

I don't see the logic there and it doesn't seem conformable really. In fact, I posted in there a little while ago that I felt it was slightly indicative of a town Masonry that no one was particularly trying to push an agenda in our group. There's no scumteam that has anyone pushing to try to use the Mason chat to their advantage.

If there is scum in the neighbourhood, it would be tictac over MegAzumarill. I don't have much of a read on anything tictac has done, but Meg is town.

Klick is sus for the no result (could be Mastina) and gunsmith (could be randed twice but doubt it)

Something you might not be aware of is that I claimed Gunsmith in the Masonry at the start of the game (because it has little utility in catching Wolves but plenty in catching Mafia, which all the Masonry should be interested in regardless of alignment). Does that change your thoughts on the veracity of my claim?

There's no reason to think two 1-shot Gunsmiths can't be in this game, other than 'they're the same role', which is not strong reasoning.

I could buy Klick+tictac scum with Meg town. What you’re saying makes no sense.
Meg has been a non presence this game. Why is she town?
And my inactive hood = scum isn’t a 100% tell but it’s good enough to merit looking.

That’s all a VCA does is say where to look at further and give ideas. It’s not a silver bullet.

Correct. It is possible we are both town (albeit unlikely) I find Dunn town more unlikely. That’s why I am pushing there. Considering a werewolf miller already flipped and Mastina fake claimed, Dunn being fake claimed Mastina coached is a possibility or Dunn wolf is more probable.

You are worth sus and I have faith that why that I sus you will become apparent I just am going for odds since only one elim.

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I don’t HAVE to flip you today Klick.

I know that as soon as I flip you probably die.

Therefore wolves don’t kill me and mafia doesn’t kill me

Which ends up in a protown result of (redacted)

And yet if you / wolves don’t kill me then the protown result of (redacted) happens

So I am a okay not elimming you today but we will see which poison the bad guys take. Either way sucks for them.

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Dunnstral (4) | MathBlade, Nashville Dreams, Save The Dragons, Menalque
Menalque (2) | cassowary, The Keeper


cassowary (2) | Cat Scratch Fever, Klick
Klick (2) | Nero Cain, SCP 682
Sword of Ducks (1) | tictac


Not Voting | MegAzumarill, Dunnstral, Sword of Ducks, bnuuy

mena could still be scum but at least he has the decency to vote

Oh look Dunn and tictac vote Cass

My entire PoE on Cass

And not wanting Dunn flipped.

Shocking not.

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Let’s goooooooo!

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My entire PoE on Cass

hey, not your entire PoE my dude

You’re more PoE adjacent

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Nero do you think Dunn is town? If so why.

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clearly, I've been town reading Dunn the whole game.

This seems sarcasm, but if so why not vote Dunn

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I might have my teams backwards, but I think the point is clear.

Yep my relationship to Klick is weird

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That’s 7. Give Titus a chance to do her VCA then probably cool to end the day.

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Alright, let's lay out the standards first. It's unlikely that wolves and mafia will bus heavily. This factors into the analysis. Most of this analysis will center, by votes alone, who cannot be wolves or mafia. Then, we'll add known knowledge. Butterchurn did not know any of the other scum, so his votes are suggestive of who is town but not solid evidence of such. A malefactor is a rare occurrence so this analysis, when I get there, can be taken with a grain of salt.

This VCA does miss a prior wagon of significance on bnuuy that occurred day 1 due to the game speed. I'm too lazy to get that out right now.

I'm going to treat this as two VCAs. One for wolves and one for mafia. Each will get their own post. There also will be a post with spoiled votecounts.

How do you know if butterchurn did or didn’t know partners?

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And by most of the wagon, I mean, literally 10 out of 11 people voting right now have no explanation for their vote

And the 1 explanation given was that the 8 people voting flavor leaf weren't all town. Wow.

Spoiler:

I don't think that it's impossible for Enchant to be scum that's just not doing anything.

I had felt like Enchant was close enough to his play in

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987

that he was on the town but his iso isn't great and 901 could be a partner tell between bnuuy and him. His reaction to getting voted isn't great but most ppl react poorly. I wouldn't really object to a lim here as hard-to-read/unhelpful slots are a decent elimination.

Speaking of the above game, the vig got ran up d1, was blocked n1, and then wagonned by 2/5 scum. So I am seeing parallels here.

Flavor Leaf (8) | Klick, tictac, Dunnstral, cassowary, mastina, MalcolmTucker, Menalque, MonkeyMan576

Even if FL was scum that's masquerading as a vig the wagon on him isn't all town. I mean obviously, it isn't a 1:1 comparison b/c there is a "guilty" on him.

Still think Mastina is scum that's talking out of both sides of her mouth and she's being unproductive with her vote. We prob should have just voted there today instead of worrying about if she's really a beloved princess b/c if she's scum I highly doubt she is and she's fakeclaiming a role we won't really want to lim.

Still feel like Dunn's "if FL was town he'd do X" is scum and besides FL all of his scum reads being ppl that are voting him is gross. Not impossible I'm being manipulated onto his wagon.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Pretty munch vanity wagons are a vote for a no elimination at this point. This is not townie.

A vote for a no lim would be better than a vote for town that is very obviously town.

VOTE: Malcolm Tucker

VOTE: malcolmtucker

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

VOTE: MalcomTucker

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Going to the Rockies/Royals game and may not be able to vote later in the day.

VOTE: Malcom

VOTE: malcomtucker

perfect is the enemy of the good

oh damn
u speaking 2 my soul there

VOTE: malcom

L-2

well then, let's see where this gets us

UNVOTE: Menalque

VOTE: MacolmTucker

VOTE: Malcolm

This is technically correct but misleading. Most people likely explained why they were scumreading MalcolmTucker in the thread already. We've had long scenarios where perfect was the enemy of good as well, so we were willing to compromise. Furthermore, scum likely wanted to be on a fast moving wagon because they likely wanted to be seen voting their partner. This explains butterchurn shifting and setting up to vote his "townread". If that's the scum voting MalcolmTucker, I'm ok with that.

~Titus

Technically correct but misleading and not posting is Dunn scum.

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Intro post.

Why didn't you ask that prior to your VCA?

~Titus

Because it wasn’t relevant to my VCA. It was about making a PoE. A dead person can’t be in a PoE

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Disagree? Agree? Thoughts Math?

I can’t analyze all that while working.

Glad you’re voting Dunn though.

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This game features two scum factions. Their win conditions are not compatible to allow a joint win, and there is no such thing in this game as a draw between only certain factions. There is also a single third party role called the malefactor. Its win condition is "You win when the town loses." This player is not informed of any antitown players' identities, nor vice versa.

Yay reading fail for me. /s thanks

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For someone who is supposedly focused on wagons and how people respond to them, you seem to have very little interest in seeing how the person being wagoned responds to it. Why are you so interested in forcing a wagon through on an unclaimed slot, most of which likely happened while he was asleep, judging by his usual posting times? I'm not "requesting a stall", this is basic level play that anyone should be doing as town. Don't pretend like you don't know better.

Butterchurn was shot N2. Assuming it’s a mafia kill then one of two things happened
ND is scared mafia
Or more likely ND is town and butterchurn was pushing town

Whoever butterchurn voted is more likely to be town and defended more likely to be some kind of scum

You mean like here?

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Butter knowing or not knowing scum doesn’t change their motivation. They want town to lose.

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you're both town now Chill

My data and his play have eviscerated my prior townread on the slot.

I don’t see where in your data you make a conclusion about me except that I am not a wolf.

I fail to understand your points here?

Like if I am not a wolf, and by play I am not mafia, and I can’t be maleficient then that makes me town? Help me how you get where you are.

Hmmm my play is shitty for pushing likely mafia and you agree with me my top read has to die?

Very confused I am

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This really feels like you want to play a heroine.

Which sure if you want to be “the heroine” who caught scum ans caught Dunn when he likely flips scum of some kind go ahead

I am not getting into a power struggle with you but in the five minutes I could skim your VCA there were more contradictions than in liar liar.

[MathBlade]

math, my love, are you scum again?

you feel like scum again.

No I am not scum, just annoyed with this and work.

I will later tonight.

[MathBlade]

or here's a wild idea, why not sheep SCP and vote out Keeper?

Nah. Dunn is more likely scum.

[MathBlade]

Dunn is a wolf, Keeper is mafia.

I think Dunn is mafia as explained before.

Why do you say Keeper is mafia?

[MathBlade]

Like where?

[MathBlade]

For this and all VCAs, I refer to players by their current slot holder because I'm look at the data like that. If there's a question regarding replacement times and identities, feel free to ask but this VCA is intended to be in the absence of context. I can't divorce context completely though.

Day One VCA -

Wolves

The first handful of VCs don't tell us much about Wolves. Nero Cain and Sword of Ducks pick up some points for not being wolves due to their early presence on the catboi wagon while MonkeyMan aka Math's slot had steam (barring the scenario where they are both wolves.)

Here implies I am not a wolf, Sword of Ducks and Nero Cain are not wolves or implies if I am a wolf this doesn’t inform much when in the me wolf case I would expect wolves to be off wagon. Doesn’t consider this possibility meaning Titus inserted bias / knowledge that I am not a wolf, leaning former

In 1.7, Nero is promoted as a counterwagon to catboi briefly. catboi is on the wagon, so I'm not sure if wolves would overload but that suggests that Nero Cain is not a wolf.

Already said Nero Cain is likely not a wolf.

1.12, I would expect, based on the votes at this point, a wolf within StD and CSF. However, that's impossible given StD is a monk and CSF is currently a "wolf innocent child" (for lack of a better phrase).

This needs a better phrase. Innocent Child is town only. Do you mean the monkery? I think those in that hood are mod confirmed not monks which doesn’t allow for GF yeah? This entire section needs clarifying/correcting. It also has no reasoning why.

1.14, Dunn is a great wolf candidate.
Later, the bnuuy wagon is weird. Mastina starts a counterwagon when there's no need to do so. It dissolves my wagon and serves as a counter to catboi. This one the wolves likely jumped more on with Klick Melanque and cassoway all being possible wolf suspects. It does suggest if the wolf suspect(s) are correct that I served a use to the wolves or they were inactive during the time my wagon was actually a viable push/game stalled.

I don’t see how any of that relates to Dunn being more or less likely a wolf. It doesn’t explain Enchant choosing Ydrasse over Mastina, and then me being blocked when Dunn was suggested to be checked by the game/last reads of D2 for my slot. I don’t see how you get from great wolf candidate to mafia candidate from this. Mastina is a strategic player and I wonder if who she started a wagon on could be mafia for distancing (I would need to check who to see if this idea is plausible) but you know Mastina as scum doesn’t do things without a reason. It’s more likely Mastina scumread Catboi and tried to diffuse pressure or making a long term play. Klick Mena and Cass are towards the bottom of my reads but this reasoning doesn’t follow and doesn’t show how it relates to Dunn.

1.20 suggest bnuuy town due to catboi and butterchurn on towards the end when they had no interest in ending the day before.

Hey! I actually agree with you here! Yay!

1.21 suggests the same for tictac. Butterchurn has extra incentive to vote there given tictac is a claimed mason.

Suggests the same what? If you think tictac is a scum of some kind then yes I agree. However you think that 1.20 makes bnuyy town due to two types of scum being on the end I agree. 1.21 has them split with the known wolf off wagon making Tictac more likely a wolf

Overall: We have the following slots, divorced from context, that I feel relatively confident saying are not wolves: Nero Cain, bnuuy, tictac, Sword of Ducks

If I follow your posting this list should be:
If Math not a wolf ==> Nero and SoD not wolves
Not a wolf regardless ==> bnuuy (agreed)
If math a wolf ==> ???

Poe likely has a wolf/wolves Klick/mena/cass

Contradictions on tictac?

Butterchurn's votes today are largely excluded. I pressured Butter repeatedly on his votes day 1 and they were transparently trying to save catboi. It's a safe bet that they were pretty confident on catboi being scum and willing to vote anyone else. This matches with his hostility towards me the moment I wanted to vote catboi.

Will respond to mafia section in a separate post. Doing this on my phone because day is shit and bold is me.

[MathBlade]

The Wolf VCA is incorporated by reference.
Mathblade's slot would be interesting to flip for knowledge on the slot. The wagon in 1.3 looks relatively pure. From 1.3 to 1.6 all living monks jumped onto counterwagons to Mathblade and fast. Mathblade's slot also jumped onto MalcolmTucker, the first counterwagon available and it flipped green.
SCP gets a weak clear for 1.15-1.18 as they quickly voted Enchant but then they bailed on it to vote with mastina on bnuuy. If SCP is mafia, then we can conclude at least a) I was an asset to mafia and/or b) bnuuy was a threat.
Regardless, mastina's awakening and push on bnuuy suggests bnuuy is not mafia. Given the VCA suggests bnuuy is not a wolf and not a mafia, they are likely town.

1.2 to 1.6 I was a primary wagon. Why omit a wagon here? Given that monks mean not wolves then this would make me less likely to be a not wolf scum (read mafia) unless you TR all the monk claims?

1.3 does NOT look relatively pure. It has known scum butter in position 2 and probable wolf (using your arguments) in tictac.

My slot did not just do Malcolm, my slot was on Klick then to Malcolm in the middle. I don’t like you omitting votes to make it look like a dogpile here when it clearly wasnt.

What Mastina’s awakening means she didn’t want you or catboi. Unless you find the strategy Mastina had assuming bnuuy’s alignment from that is misleading. I think bnuuy is town but this reasoning is shallow at best and most likely incorrect for you

[MathBlade]

Overall this is a word vomit where you make an opinion on 1-2 slots at best that makes sense and 3-4 if being generous.
Most of this to be generous is unintelligible if not outright false.

[MathBlade]

Assume for the moment Dunn is NOT mafia like I think he is and I am wrong

This means Enchant end of D2 made a deliberate choice to hang Mastina to dry
Or Enchant felt alone and with no support and made a poor choice

Given Enchant likely could have taken more time (I see no reason in thread it had to be immediate) then this looks intentional

This means mafia were wolf reading FL or thought him not a vig or ???

If they were scumreading FL then Mastina doesn’t block me meaning Klick is ascetic.

If Mastina wasn’t scumreading FL and was active why Ydrasse

The only answer I see is to protect Dunn.

[MathBlade]

The VCA is probably crap but it’s probably town. It resembles my own attempt at it in the betrayal mafia game.

I agree it’s crap.

If it doesn’t get addressed though we run into the danger of Tunnel Titus which is baaad in a game already toxic

[MathBlade]

I mean no offense but I’d shoot ydrasse over Mastina in enchants position esp with one less NK and a SK and another mafia team and a vig team floating around

THATS JUST MY VIEW OK

?? So you’d doom a buddy to die to take out Ydrasse. Please elaborate.

[MathBlade]

i mean...why does anyone even think enchant would ever kill his scumbuddy

Exactly.

So why does Enchant doom Mastina by taking out Ydrasse instead of FL?

It’s leaving Mastina to die.

[MathBlade]

I mean tbf Mastina was destined to die via FL anyways. Ydrasse at least claimed a pr

Maybe I just view everything differently

FL said he was already leashed to Mastina at that point.

[MathBlade]

Why would enchant kill Mastina tho

I really don’t get it ???

Enchant killed Mastina (doomed to FL vig) by killing Ydrasse

I don’t see why Enchant picks to kill Ydrasse over FL.

[MathBlade]

Titus’s VCA doesn’t take that into account at all. So I am pretty disappointed.

[MathBlade]

Paranoid me says FL+Titus/Dunn
Calm me says Dunn + 1.

I just don’t see Enchant doing that without Dunn being scum or the rest of the team peacing out which is the same as my wolf pool or an intentional gambit

[MathBlade]

mastina was prob going to die anyways, whether FL killer her or not. Mastina also had wolfsbane and a roleblock. YD being a parity cop was a threat to thier scum team and could out the not mastina scum. I don't think its a horrible choice but he also couldn't talk to his team so its a choice he made alone.

Why couldn’t he talk to his scum team?

[MathBlade]

get away nc

YHIS IS MY CONV WITH JokerPi

Fixed it for you. I am town Mala.

[MathBlade]

Bc he was dead??

Most sites I have seen a Saint on let you talk until your actions resolve.

[MathBlade]

MalcolmTucker was politely asked to leave Day 2. He was a...

Spoiler:

Town Hirsute Saint

Hirsute players appear to be a Werewolf to any Seer investigations.

A Saint eliminates the person who casts the hammer vote against them with holy power. If the target is Mafia, they have time to realize what is happening, pull out their gun and make one last elimination before they must flee. Werewolves and Town players are eliminated immediately.

Spoiler:

Enchant has been exorcised! He was a...

Mafia Goon

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It is now Twilight 2. Enchant has 24 hours to select a player to take down with him. Because Enchant is considered dead, he cannot discuss this with his team.

I will need to receive an indication from cassowary and Menalque that they are still playing before Night can end, as they have not yet picked up their prods.

Enchant has finalized his choice, so we'll end Twilight now.

Ydrasse has fled town Twilight 2. She was a...

Spoiler:

Town 1-shot Parity Cop Mayor

This variant of Parity Cop investigates two players at night and learns whether their win conditions are identical or not identical.

A Mayor is the counterpart role to Saint. It daykills the hammer voter, but if the hammerer is a werewolf, they get to take someone down with them. Obviously, as Ydrasse was not eliminated by vote, this kill does not occur.

Right…that’s the flip.

Talk with teammates and submit kill

Then join dead thread.

That’s how most sites do Saint.

[MathBlade]

Enchant has been exorcised! He was a...

Mafia Goon

.

It is now Twilight 2. Enchant has 24 hours to select a player to take down with him. Because Enchant is considered dead, he cannot discuss this with his team.[/spoiler]
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Damn it

I can’t read spoiler code on my phone I was going by the OP.

The case on Dunn mafia is still strong but not nearly as strong as it was.

[MathBlade]

Mastina fears Vig blatantly.

Enchant knew of the vig claim though.

Nah Dunn is lock mafia probably. Or at minimum Didn’t want to be checked

I don’t get why enchant didn’t take out FL

[MathBlade]

I think Dunn, if scum, makes more sense as a wolf just b/c he claimed to be a wolf miller which would explain and seer gulties but I don't really care what he flips.

It’s possible but either way we get a scum so if I am wrong on Dunn mafia it’s back to the drawing board to answer that question.

[MathBlade]

I don’t get why enchant didn’t take out FL

I mean, maybe but then you are just trading one scum for another so...

Enchant takes out FL sure.

Then Mastina becomes elim of the day the next day but there’s ways to argue and fight. Hell even block FL to save herself and argue she was doctored or doesn’t know

It’s odd. The worst thing in that position is town wastes a day with no productivity.

This whole thing is odd and I wish I could get inside Enchant’s head.

[MathBlade]

Even straight up going
“I am town roleblocker and I blocked you because I am town” would be something

None of that makes sense

[MathBlade]

I did.

Fuck being an empathetic man.

Fuck it.

I need to stop feeding off emotions

You both are women?

Unless there’s something you need to tell me?

In which case congrats!

[MathBlade]

Anyways again

It still stands POV that enchant killing Ydrasse over FL because ydrasse was more of a threat to mafia than FL imo

Uhm how?
FL was literally like “I am going to shoot Mastina?”

That = scum death?

*confused*

[MathBlade]

Math

Spoiler:

Mastina has a Crown then... Looks a little cracked from here - and a little like the Dark Princes Crown...

lite pushes mastina

Weird thing is I think she's being honest, the question which crown does she have.
Glitched, Dark Princes, Thorned or Light...

more fence sit

Town mastina will not lie.
She may bend the truth, but she will not lie.

says mastina isn't lying

Theres a reason I vanished. its 1 claim to speculate over over a game of many.

is tired of talking about mastina

Anyone calling out lurkers is a clown.

defending lurker slots

Nope.
I said to yeet the princess.

I don't think this is true. You fence sat on her.

Eliminating lurker is literally eliminating randomly.

more defending of lurkers

5691 and 5696 is pushing me for pushing lurkers slots including a 50 posts mastina.

Yeah I'm actually thinking your monastry is clean... which is basically finding a room full of Q4 levels of whoo

defends SCP

7688 and 7691
defends SCP more

All that lurker defending Keeper was doing makes me think there has to be scum in the lurkers (though endgame mastina will come in and claim they weren't lurking) and I wanted to see if SCP keeps their word.

Not interested

If anything looking at those posts makes me sus of ND for defending Mastina.

But I think they’re town but VCA

I’d rather Dunn or tictac

[MathBlade]

/me hugs

Just chill for a second. It’s okay Mala.

[MathBlade]

We will talk more when The game ends

Sorry guys I hijacked

But seriously tho

Enchant going for Ydrasse over Mastina or FL makes sense in my mind bc ydrasse was more of a threat

I mean ydrasse confirmed at least Fl is either mafia or town bc of her pr

Post game : Deploying all the hugs

Ydrasse made a claim though.

FL could only be mafia if Mastina knows FL is mafia. So it’s more likely FL is town to Mastina.

[MathBlade]

I just don’t see mafia FL shooting Mastina

Even if it’s fir Fred it’s

I don’t either having talked with him.

I just don’t get what Mastina is doing

I have two logical possibilities:

I don’t see Mastina up and just accepting death
I also don’t see FL shooting Mastina

Neither makes sense

[MathBlade]

FL shooting Mastina as mafia*

[MathBlade]

Let’s just do Dunn and call it a day.

See what kind of scum Dunn flips. Then go into the next night.

[MathBlade]

She seemed done.

If she wants to update it cool but unless she like addresses shit and isn’t contradictory I kinda don’t care? It’s just word vomit.

[MathBlade]

What are you kidding about?

[MathBlade]

@Math, what did I not consider?

~Titus

Why Enchant doesn’t kill FL with the last gasp considering (if FL is truthful) that FL said they were shooting Mastina.

[MathBlade]

@Math, what did I not consider?

~Titus

Why Enchant doesn’t kill FL with the last gasp considering (if FL is truthful) that FL said they were shooting Mastina.

Ydrasse was a PR claim that could investigate. FL was a PR claim that could be convinced in the monkery. Vigs can shoot wrong. Maybe Ydrasse was correct on FL scum. Maybe a lot of things.

Looking at why Enchant doesn't shoot FL today is pointless when FL could become conftown tonight.

Don't you agree on there being a possibility of FL becoming conftown?


~Titus

FL was a claimed vig who shot catboi (who if telling the truth) would be un cc’d. This make him conf town to mafia on D2 since FL can’t be wolf. FL said he was going to shoot Mastina. If the shot landed she’d be dead.

You’re saying things scum Mastina would find impossible.

It’s more there’s a logical impossibility of FL scum
Or we get the logical impossibility of Mastina not blocking FL and blocking me because…?

Or we get Mastina did block FL and FL is somehow strongman and Klick is lying ascetic scum?

None of this makes sense

[MathBlade]

I know A world has to be possible

But none of the worlds make sense.

[MathBlade]

Your post makes no grammatical sense. Try again slower please.


It really is simple though.
Teams can only kill 2 of 3 nights.
There was 1 kill n1.
There were 2 kills n2.
Flavor can only be mafia in theory.

If Flavor outright claims the mafia kill to coast, then FL cannot kill on N3 (hence why out of shots).

Werewolves can still kill presumably.

If we see two deaths tonight, one can be inferred from the ww, the other has to be mafia.

So, mafia have to no kill in order to keep FL as a miselimination.

Make sense?

No.

Assume FL claims to have shot Catboi/RC during D2.
Mastina knows FL cannot be wolf. At this point Mastina knows FL is town or a scum buddy there is no other explanation due to monkery.

With me so far?

[MathBlade]

This would mean both teams no killed N1 and FL did the only shot assuming FL town vig.

Which means we had a no kill or protect N2.

I doubt any scum faction no kills twice so we likely had a protect N1/N2.

[MathBlade]

No. Chart it.

Chart what?

FL has three possibilities for alignment at rand:
Town, Mafia, or Werewolf.

It’s mod/hood confirmed FL is not werewolf.
Therefore FL is town or mafia

So soon as FL claimed vig, Mastina would know truth of that claim or not.

So charted?

[MathBlade]

N1 kills — FL vigs catboi. Cannot be wolf on wolf. Scum teams no kill or protected kill. N2 kills — FL vigs mastina, a scum team kills butter. Not gunsmith claims not any PR claims from D1, butter.

I am not objecting to FL conf town if two corpse happen.

I am asking for an explanation of kills in general

Where’s your NKA?

Why does Mastina NOT block FL if she knows FL is town?

[MathBlade]

There’s a Jack shit ton of loud people

Why does one of the scum teams kill butter of all people?

[MathBlade]

wolves/mafia thought butter was a wolf/mafia

Maybe, but I mean why not kill Titus who is loud and often dominates the thread.
Same with Koba?

Why isn’t FL dead in retribution? I mean ??

Why are all of FL/Titus/Koba/Nero/me/Klick all alive to D3? Two gunsmith claims and loud vocal players none dead?

[MathBlade]

Let alone any other PR claims I am not aware of as D1’s tend to be claim fests.

Scum over all of that kill butters. Why?

Why was FL allowed to vig Mastina?

None of these resultions make sense

[MathBlade]

My brain has had a constant metal scraping white noise for a while and this FL debate is making it worse

Sorry for causing your head to hurt but I think it’s a valid question.

[MathBlade]

I'm frankly not doing NKA yet.

You can moonlogic scenarios about why mastina doesn't block FL as well as I can. That's pointless until tmo even if it had value.

That’s the thing:

I don’t want to moonlogic

I want an answer that makes sense.

[MathBlade]

If I REALLY was moonlogicky I’d say that it was FL+Titus/Mala as last mafia and Dunn/Tic tac as wolves.
Mastina blocks me, FL shoots Mastina with NK.
You freak out and shoot butter.

But I think that is waaay too moonlogicky.

It fits narratively but I don’t feel it’s right.

[MathBlade]

Let alone any other PR claims I am not aware of as D1’s tend to be claim fests.

Scum over all of that kill butters. Why?

Why was FL allowed to vig Mastina?

None of these resultions make sense

Get information and then solve. No point in rushing to solve any FL question today. Mechanics sort with time.

I do find it interesting you push here on these points than on your own "result".

Oh honey if I live until D5 scum have done goofed

I don’t anticipate being alive long enough to do anything with my results.

Sorting what Mastina did does impact whether Klick is scum or not.

Answering these questions impacts (redacted) so I have to answer these questions.

[MathBlade]

If I REALLY was moonlogicky I’d say that it was FL+Titus/Mala as last mafia and Dunn/Tic tac as wolves.
Mastina blocks me, FL shoots Mastina with NK.
You freak out and shoot butter.

But I think that is waaay too moonlogicky.

It fits narratively but I don’t feel it’s right.

And Enchant voteparks me because?

We can discuss FL deliberately shooting his partner tmo if he's not clear

I likely am dead tonight. If not tomorrow night.

Saying we will discuss tomorrow is tantamount to not discussing it at all.

To avoid giving reads? Sell distancing? Without reading the thread I can’t say.

He’s not clear regardless

We have only one kill from a scum team on the board, butter.

Mafia could easily have no killed two nights in a row

[MathBlade]

There's no point in discussing FL scum further today.

It’s not just FL scum though

I am saying let’s make the pieces fit assuming he is town.

Work with me there

[MathBlade]

There's no point in discussing FL scum further today.

It’s not just FL scum though

I am saying let’s make the pieces fit assuming he is town.

Work with me there

Tomorrow

Cool you do you. I am going to keep hunting.

You’re welcome to push Dunn if you want me to stop.

[MathBlade]

Occam’s Razor:

Maf also shot Catboi.
Mathblade kill got blocked.

there's also the chance Mastina used Roleblock Night 1, then used her defense Night 2, and the other team blocked Monkey fearing a possible reverse Gunsmith ability to catch wolves.

Or Klick is ascetic.

the fact these are missing from Math's possibilities makes me feel off, and think option 1 occam's is more likely.

Also, way too much assuming Enchant knew what was going on in the thread.

Everytime I shoot scum as vigilante basically, someone tries to push I'm scum who shot my own partner, and it comes from scum, not town.

I literally listed those options as possibilities.

Those possibilities involve missing NKs that I was asking about.

[MathBlade]

Just remember when I die tonight (which I think I will for asking questions)
N1 FL
N2 Klick something that’s return a result (being vague in case I don’t die)

You’ll also understand why I am asking about kills.

Good luck.

[MathBlade]

The last part you’ll need is 4-0-21.

It will make sense post flip.

It will help with what scum do or don’t do. Good luck.

[MathBlade]

votecount 3.5

Dunnstral (5) | MathBlade, Nashville Dreams, Save The Dragons, Menalque, MegAzumarill

cassowary (3) | Klick, Dunnstral, tictac
Klick (3) | Nero Cain, SCP 682, Cat Scratch Fever

Menalque (2) | cassowary, The Keeper

MathBlade (1) | Flavor Leaf
Cat Scratch Fever (1) | The Keeper

Not Voting | Sword of Ducks, bnuuy

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-06-01 09:03:00).

He’s not anywhere near e-1? It’s why I am trying to get people to consolidate

[MathBlade]

Toogeloo, Town Voyeur, politely asked to leave Day 1.
RCEnigma, Werewolf 1-shot Bookie, fled town Night 1.
MalcolmTucker, Town Hirsute Saint, politely asked to leave Day 2.
Enchant, Mafia Goon, exorcised Day 2.
Ydrasse, Town 1-shot Parity Cop Mayor, fled town Twilight 2.
mastina, Mafia Loathed 2-shot Activated Wolfsbane 1-shot Roleblocker, fled town Night 2.
butterchurn, Malefactor 1-shot Watcher, fled town Night 2.

All of these roles are what I'd describe as 'low potential impact'
Mine and Mathblade's roles also fall under that category, and the limitations on FL's vig would also make me classify it as that. Stuff like the Hirsutes also fit that.

I think all the roles are straight-up random alignment and that all speculation based on 'there wouldn't be X as Y alignment' is off base as a result. I think the Masons/Monks are likely to be the strongest anti-scum element this game has. Specifically I think this points to there being no issue with two Hirsutes, or two 1-shot Gunsmiths, or whatever, being any alignment.

Mine does not.

That’s all I will say in regards to that.

[MathBlade]

I will leave it up to scum if they want to risk shooting me for wine or if they risk my flip because it will be devastating.

Or maybe I am a liar. We will see.

[MathBlade]

votecount 3.6

Dunnstral (7) | MathBlade, Save The Dragons, Menalque, MegAzumarill, Nero Cain, bnuuy, Nashville Dreams

cassowary (2) | Klick, Dunnstral
Klick (2) | SCP 682, Cat Scratch Fever
Menalque (2) | cassowary, The Keeper

MathBlade (1) | Flavor Leaf
Cat Scratch Fever (1) | The Keeper
The Keeper (1) | tictac

Not Voting | Sword of Ducks

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to politely ask someone to leave.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-06-01 09:03:00).

I was hoping people would be quiet while I put out a work fire but not this quiet.

Votes on Dunn let’s go!! 4-0-21 FTW!

Jet’s get on the boat!!

[MathBlade]

h

When do you get out of school?

sadly 2 whole weeks

Two weeks VLA?

And you’re okay with that Nero?

That’s like an entire day phase.

[MathBlade]

listen, do you think I took keystones by choice?

I don’t know what keystones are, and I generally don’t have a reason to doubt irl claims.

I just find it very disheartening that you’re not contributing for almost an entire day.

[MathBlade]

Can you at least give reads on some players? Anything?

[MathBlade]

It would be, if Dunn wasn’t doing his scum meta
And
(Redacted) wasn’t true.

Considering Dunn still hasn’t given a read he’s very unlikely to be town at this point.

[MathBlade]

I never really found the reasons for scumreading him to be that compelling

what do you think of Dunn doing shit all this game? is it just Dunn being Dunn as STD suggested?

He has fallen off today, but so have a lot of people and I don't think he's done nothing this game? It's not a metaread, it was more like the wagon yesterday grew a lot even though the reasons behind it were kinda weak

although dunn why aren't you voting?

Whatever I vote is less likely to go through and I'm not interested in arguing with flavor leaf/nero

If I am being generous this is a “read” but just an excuse not to vote/start anything.

This is absolutely Dunn scum.

[MathBlade]

if you'd vote Dunn why do you care how many votes are on him? lol

I didn't want to accidentally hammer him before people were done with the day and I was worried I missed a vote when reading through? how is this confusing lmao

VOTE: Dunn

E-1 let’s goooooo.

Remember 4-0-21 It might seem really contrarian but it might be soothing when understood.

[MathBlade]

wait malefactor doesn't know who the scum are?????

They were also a 1-shot watcher, but nobody died during the first night and it is unlikely they got any useful information

It's possible that they though mastina was scum and that led to their play on day 2

Speaking of kills. There was no kills on night 1, and only 1 unclaimed scum kill on night 2. But each faction can shoot 2 times out of 3. We are missing a kill right now, and I don't really believe that the scum doubled up on either Mastina (who FL said they would shoot) or butterchurn (not seeing why both teams would shoot here)

Yep. Apparently when Dunn brings this problem up it’s crickets but to me it’s “tomorrow”

When I die this is even more of a question.

[MathBlade]

I never really found the reasons for scumreading him to be that compelling

what do you think of Dunn doing shit all this game? is it just Dunn being Dunn as STD suggested?

He has fallen off today, but so have a lot of people and I don't think he's done nothing this game? It's not a metaread, it was more like the wagon yesterday grew a lot even though the reasons behind it were kinda weak

although dunn why aren't you voting?

Whatever I vote is less likely to go through and I'm not interested in arguing with flavor leaf/nero

Dude still doesn’t give reads on his deathbed.

C’mon y’all.

Please hammer him.

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My suspicion is FL is strongman Mafia or town and Titus is the same alignment.
Klick is wolf fake claiming.
Dunn is wolf
Last wolf tictac

Cass town from how wolves piled

Good luck may the religious blessings find those that need it. Not being religious myself I don’t need blessings.

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I don't like how insistent Math is about pushing this possibility today when it resolves and then trying to push me as a partner with Flavor. His accusations are out of left field, especially given I documented this before he subbed in.

~Titus

This theory would be exposed in a massclaim as well. There would have to be a method of preventing the mafia kill that worked n1 or n2. His partner would have to claim that as mafia not killing n1 and n2 is not believable.

~Titus

As I said I haven’t read

When you see the position I am in you’ll see why I am pushing it because

(Redacted) is likely impossible.

I don’t particularly care for what is “liked” I care for what is accurate

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I don't like how insistent Math is about pushing this possibility today when it resolves and then trying to push me as a partner with Flavor. His accusations are out of left field, especially given I documented this before he subbed in.

~Titus

This theory would be exposed in a massclaim as well. There would have to be a method of preventing the mafia kill that worked n1 or n2. His partner would have to claim that as mafia not killing n1 and n2 is not believable.

~Titus

As I said I haven’t read

When you see the position I am in you’ll see why I am pushing it because

(Redacted) is likely impossible.

I don’t particularly care for what is “liked” I care for what is accurate

That still doesn't explain you're pushing me with Flavor given I am entertaining your theory.

You can't expect us to act on redacted.

~Titus

You’re not “entertaining” it. You’re actively defending him. If I am paranoid wolves just kill him and I am the ridiculous one they push tomorrow. You have a case not to push him, which is fine whatever.

I don’t expect anyone to act on redacted today/tonight

I am expecting everywhere with redacted/ascetic to be found after I flip. It will likely give you 2-3 scums and the same pool I gave above.

And if scum don’t kill me it becomes even worse in mass claim when I go through and explain each bit

So either
A) I am lying and full of shit and eat a bullet
B) Truthtelling that I have mechanical issues that I can’t explain right now and die overnight which highlights things
C) Truthtelling that I have mechanical issues that I can’t explain right now and don’t eat a bullet but then with the decreased PoE I will know for a fact that (redacted one) did/did not (redacted two) unless in the rare case (redacted three) but in which case why is (redacted 4) not (redacted 5)?
D) I am lying and full of shit and don’t eat a bullet

Notice how FL doesn’t hammer Dunn? That is sus considering “he’s okay with Dunn”

You’re welcome to push we are in world D but since when do I ever play a gamble I lose?

I almost never make that trade and I am not quite the king of all trades here maybe a lesser noble as some are better at the game of chicken than me

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And even in world D a “one shot gunsmith” dying for “confirmed town” FL is a damn fine trade wouldn’t you say?

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Called it

Good luck Titus you probably live until tomorrow

Pieces are there.

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4-0-21 unless I am just bullshitting to eat a bullet

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shit I had to go in Walmart today, else I would've been here

What reads do you have?

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I am out of town. Can’t talk much.
SCP is a mafia kill.
Wolves very likely lost the bait and attacked FL.

No I will not explain how I know this.

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VOTE: leaf
^lim pool

Wolves attempted to kill Leaf

That’s gonna need some explanation.

Without any I always pick you considering ascetic.

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Ascetic on Klick and scumread on you*

Phone cut off

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w/e VOTE: Klick

@klick paraphrase your whole masonry if its been so dead.


i'd love to do the monastery myself but its like 20+ pages atp

I kinda want Klick or tic tac today.

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thank Mith that SCP is dead b/c now I can move on and not listen to them anymore.

koba had ducks, keeper, mena as scum. I'd vote all of that.


cass is prob scum. tic tac could be scum, IG. Still think Klick is scummy. Meg is ???

I find it odd mafia killed SCP.

Klick iirc was a mason. Guess go back for the next read and that might be mafia

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i think my primary reason for putting dunn above my "bottom 5" was the way the wagon built super fast on him and included my bottom 5 so im still apprehensive there but I like I did earlier will not be getting in the way of the wagon as i dont explicitly townread them really.

I still would prefer to flip in Klick/Mena as my confidence is higher there - but I do voice that I am swayed by titus' analysis. I normally say VCA is cringe but in multiball - titus is correct that bussing is less likely ergo it raises the usefulness.

Menalque is probably mafia
Klick, tictac, Menalque is kinda my new PoE today

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VOTE: Mena

Sheep me Nero?

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what do u think of Ducks?

After I am dead go for it. No read either way due to inactivity.

Pretty sure I should die soon unless wolves are wanna repeat the same thing.

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My preference after mena is Klick (which after I die tonight he becomes insta elim. You’ll see why)

Then after that Tic Tac for hunting me with the FL vote

Then after that whoever.

Told you scum shoulda shot me

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Keeper I am thinking is town for *reasons*

I will explain when I full claim.

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Ic Keeper HAS to be scum it’s mafia not werewolf. I forget of keeper is a mason or not.

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Are you planning on full claiming today or what?

If I have to but I am hoping it’s not necessary