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[Datisi]

it's possible a new player goes for the townread on two partners but is it likely

i don't think obscure was new

"villagery" and "real-timing" aren't phrases that i often hear new players use

[Ausuka]

Welcome @obscure very nice to have you join us! You really jumped into the deep end. Have you played much forum mafia before? We use a lot of buzzwords

@Irrelevant11 thank you! i haven't played forum mafia before, i've played it with my group of friends irl and i've played a few quick games on discord with a group of people, but i'm new to this setting and to how long the phases are/mechanics. yeah there's been quite a few confusing things, but i found the Wiki which is very helpful =p (i'm a teacher irl so i know that.. instructions are provided places even though most people don't go look for them and i don't want to be That Newbie)

how did i not notice obscure called relly Irrelevant11 that's hilarious

it also seems +town for shea but maybe i'm reading too much into it

[Ausuka]

it's possible a new player goes for the townread on two partners but is it likely

i don't think obscure was new

"villagery" and "real-timing" aren't phrases that i often hear new players use

huh I mean maybe? it seems like such a weird thing to fake but i guess not impossible???

[Datisi]

i've seen also do it before

more specifically, i've seen hectic pretend to be new with an alt, and lolhammer someone and pretend he's a newbie who didn't know what intent or claims are

(then i had to kill him because he lolhammered my scumbuddy and i was malding but ok besides the point)

[Ausuka]

I'm really interested in what people think about what i think about obscure.

Because i was not happy when i came to the conclusions i did. So sanity checks appreciated.

Post 1414 self meta is either useless or cheating. Either you are lying and you try to do these things equally because you are aware of them, OR you are actually aware of the differences in your play and intentionally not fixing them and bringing them to the attention of others in your town games is borderline trust telling. So I guess my question to you is: Which is it? Are you so bad that there is a massive difference in your town games and your scum games in how you fundamentally approach day one and you’re mentioning that here to say you’re town in this game, or are you a capable town and scum player who we can safely disregard your self meta description of yourself?

don't rly care what you think about the usefulness of self meta, i like sharing my thoughts. you are welcome to ignore them if you want

calling it borderline trust telling is ridiculous. nowhere did i say that my town and scum games are wildly divergent and that one should be instantly recognizable. i was just trying to explain my motivations/mindset in this specific game bc it was relevant to the post i was responding to

my goal as scum is not to precisely imitate my townplay. it's to get townread and to kill town. those are accomplished in very different ways so your point here is irrelevant

I disagree with you about this but i don't actually think it's relevant to your alignment so I'm not really interested in discussing it further.

I'm really interested in what people think about what i think about obscure.

Because i was not happy when i came to the conclusions i did. So sanity checks appreciated.

It’s not bad I think
I wasn’t really scanning for excessive noob card usage but from your scan it seems that was going on and I’ve def seen scum use it to great effect

Who did status replace?

i think this interaction looks town for shea? at least the way gamma responded seems to fit better with t!shea to me

pedit: why would you do that

well ok WHATEVER

[Thestatusquo]

One of the strongest conclusions I had from my replace in read was that obscure wasn't new.

[Ausuka]

well it's more comfortable for me to believe the scum fire narrative anyway so SURE

[Dannflor]

Frog do you actually think Dease is scum or are you just being facetious

[Ausuka]

ok i had a thought that is probably stupid but like

when you guys say you've seen people fake being new, what was the context for why they did that and how they used that idea? because like, the hectic thing sounds like he was trolling, and i don't think that's what happened with obscure.

[fireisredsir]

Did frog get hammered?

no there were only ever 3 votes i think

[Datisi]

ok i had a thought that is probably stupid but like

when you guys say you've seen people fake being new, what was the context for why they did that and how they used that idea? because like, the hectic thing sounds like he was trolling, and i don't think that's what happened with obscure.

hectic played that game straight, he wasn't trolling or gamethrowing

later on, he told me he hammered bc he had a strong scumread on the player and didn't wanna let him get away because of a pr claim

but he pretended to be new, so

[Dannflor]

I thought obscure taking offense over Shea claiming he was faking to maybe be indicative of s/t?

[fireisredsir]

also idk maybe im gullible (i am) but i don't think obscure was faking to that extent. he def did play up his newness a bit to hide behind tho

i was more surprised by him saying he was an english teacher tbh i didn't get those vibes at all

as for his read on me i don't think there was a lot of intent on walking it back? he townread me p hard like right after that and continued to so do i think

[Ausuka]

ok i had a thought that is probably stupid but like

when you guys say you've seen people fake being new, what was the context for why they did that and how they used that idea? because like, the hectic thing sounds like he was trolling, and i don't think that's what happened with obscure.

hectic played that game straight, he wasn't trolling or gamethrowing

later on, he told me he hammered bc he had a strong scumread on the player and didn't wanna let him get away because of a pr claim

but he pretended to be new, so

i mean, okay, sorry if what i said was rude

i guess i'd rephrase my question to put more emphasis on like why obscure might have done that?

this might be dumb but my thought was like... if he was pretending to be new, it might explain his behaviour around deas, if deas is scum? because if people believe obscure is new, they would be reluctant to believe he would tunnel a partner like that?

[Datisi]

this might be dumb but my thought was like... if he was pretending to be new, it might explain his behaviour around deas, if deas is scum? because if people believe obscure is new, they would be reluctant to believe he would tunnel a partner like that?

i think in general it looks more like obscure was trying to save hem by pushing deas, even when ignoring the alt shenanigans

[Ausuka]

i mean, maybe i'm missing something? but i feel like the way he pushed deas throughout the game, starting with d1 when hem was pretty widely townread, i don't really think that's accurate. not to mention, i don't feel like obscure was present enough to be anything but a vote on the DV wagon? i hardly felt like he was making subtantial efforts to save hem at the time. i feel like the time where hem and dv were both wagons was, like, a short period towards the end of day 2.

[Ausuka]

like iirc the hem thing was like

i was townleaning him vaguely, i feel like most people were too, scamper was somewhat sus of him

and then he went and like slapped scamper in the face and they had a fight and hem like blew up all his towncred by being weirdly aggro?

and iirc it was quite sudden, scamper built that wagon quickly. i'm skeptical of wagonomics around that, and certainly i don't think obscure was playing around it.

[Thestatusquo]

also idk maybe im gullible (i am) but i don't think obscure was faking to that extent. he def did play up his newness a bit to hide behind tho

i was more surprised by him saying he was an english teacher tbh i didn't get those vibes at all

as for his read on me i don't think there was a lot of intent on walking it back? he townread me p hard like right after that and continued to so do i think

this is maybe more active. Like, maybe he didn't have a TON of experience but he'd I'd be very surprised if he'd actually not played online mafia before and he frequently brought up his newness and used it as deflection a ton as a way to do things like talk about the number of scum in the game several times.

[Thestatusquo]

*accurate

[Ausuka]

also idk maybe im gullible (i am) but i don't think obscure was faking to that extent. he def did play up his newness a bit to hide behind tho

i was more surprised by him saying he was an english teacher tbh i didn't get those vibes at all

as for his read on me i don't think there was a lot of intent on walking it back? he townread me p hard like right after that and continued to so do i think

oh, i guess i missed this originally >.>

i felt like the wording of the first townread on you was sorta overly cautious, but you are right he did not walk it back and maintained a strong townread on you, which is kinda anti associative

but also if ur town i dont know who maf would be lole

[Datisi]

and iirc it was quite sudden, scamper built that wagon quickly. i'm skeptical of wagonomics around that, and certainly i don't think obscure was playing around it.

i think there are posts where obscure has very awkward reads on hem while he continues to push deas

and with that context in mind, it just like, doesn't seem like a planned s/s distance to me

also: do you actually scumread deas? because if not, i don't see the point of this exercise

[Ausuka]

idk maybe im trying to figure stuff out???

[Thestatusquo]

The other thing that I find striking is there seems to me to be a marked difference in how frogster has approached today compared to other days in tone and substance. Previous days there were a lot of loud proclamations about who was scum and a lot of antagonism towards scum reads as well as sort of a brash confidence which seems to be completely gone today. He is definitely coasting. Unlike the other players who seem to have hesitation based off of being genuinely unsure of who could be scum out of the options frogster just doesn't seem to be thinking about it all that much.

I am kind of taken with that post that dannflor called town from frogster because something I try to do a lot is listen to people when they talk about things that they think about wrt others alignment because frequently they take those observations with their self as a baseline. Frogster said he thought I might be town because I haven't "burned out." But it seems like he himself has burned out a bit here.

This is probably mid tier because it's a really weird tinfoil that jumped off from something I said in a very wrong direction, divorced from all context in the game.

what context in this game applies to you but not me outside of possibly alignment?

Also you spent like 10 posts talking about how bad the cases on you are but you didn't actually give reasons why they're bad. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Tell me why the cases against you are bad if you don't want me to put stock in them, don't just dismiss them with ad homs. If you're town and you don't want me to vote for you, you need to recognize that I find some of it pretty convincing and respond to it substantively. Just dismissing things angrily isn't going to work.

[Ausuka]

like honestly if fire is scum we realistically just win anyway but that's not the case if dv is scum?

but like. whatever if you're so sure just chainlim me, fire, frogs and shea and if we lose i can blame you postgame

[Thestatusquo]

why would we be limming you? Did I miss something?