Warrior Cats Mafia [Game Over!]

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I have a cat

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(obligatory I don't want to read does anyone have the TLDR post)

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(obligatory I don't want to read does anyone have the TLDR post)

This does not sound like town

Quite a quick judgement.

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In case I wasn't clear, I mean the game we're playing. There's no setup information. What's with the clans, the PTs, graduating, stuff like that. I just got here

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(obligatory I don't want to read does anyone have the TLDR post)

This does not sound like town

Quite a quick judgement.

Well, I explained it.
It’s not often someone replaces into a game
And asks people to solve it for them.
Usually you’re interested in the game so you replace into it, and sometimes but not always you have some ideas going in about how you want to approach it.
But that all goes out the window with a scum role pm.

This isn't why I replace into games. I just wanted to play in another game, saw the advertisement and said yes. I've been aware of this game, but not reading it.

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Mm.
That must be super awkward when you’re scum.
Since you basically have no idea what’s going on and don’t want to say anything that could incriminate you.

Really insightful well done

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Are the clan leaders public information?

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Bell, were you suspicious of Toogeloo before I replaced in?

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Mm.
That must be super awkward when you’re scum.
Since you basically have no idea what’s going on and don’t want to say anything that could incriminate you.

Really insightful well done

Thanks. Has that happened to you recently or are you referring to this game?

I got the impression that you were talking about me as if I was mafia, seeing as your vote is currently on me.

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They have a nice explainer on their first post. You might want to look at that, also, you’re the wind clan leader apparently

Yes, that was partly why I wanted some setup info e.g. what Leaders are, what clans are. I wasn't sure if there was a benefit to claiming or not claiming

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Eh. I should probably at least look more.
*stares at furtive*
Tell me true,
Are you scum?

No, I love Star clan and I hate the dark forest.

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Bell can you unvote me

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Is there guaranteed 1 in each clan?

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if Kitty was killed due to outing their role in their clan, then it must be because scum is in that clan

IT MAKES MORE SENSE THAT THE LEAK CAME FROM LEADER PT IMHO

HOW'S FURTIVE LOOKING IN ALL HIS PT'S?

Wind clan is pretty dead, we aren't allowed to talk in the Leader PT. Why does there have to be a leak? What if Kitty was chosen randomly?

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we aren't allowed to talk in the Leader PT

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Has no one mentioned what the Leader PT is or what we do? We can only vote in the day and we can talk at night.

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we aren't allowed to talk in the Leader PT

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Has no one mentioned what the Leader PT is or what we do? We can only vote in the day and we can talk at night.

WHY AREN'T YOU LOOKING FOR SCUM THOUGH? I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE USING THIS STUFF AS AN EXCUSE TO NOT SCUM HUNT AND PUT EFFORT INTO PLAYING YOUR SLOT.

Yeah I'll freely admit that I haven't read up yet. Planning to today. Last few pages closest I've come to a vote was Bell for voting me on my arrival.

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we aren't allowed to talk in the Leader PT

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Has no one mentioned what the Leader PT is or what we do? We can only vote in the day and we can talk at night.

WHY AREN'T YOU LOOKING FOR SCUM THOUGH? I FEEL LIKE YOU ARE USING THIS STUFF AS AN EXCUSE TO NOT SCUM HUNT AND PUT EFFORT INTO PLAYING YOUR SLOT.

Yeah I'll freely admit that I haven't read up yet. Planning to today. Last few pages closest I've come to a vote was Bell for voting me on my arrival.

THIS MIGHT JUST BE A *ME* THING, BUT TO ME YOU SOUND A LOT LIKE T3 DID.

I'm guessing T3 played for longer than I did without doing the expected towning.

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OH YEAH, ALSO, I CLAIMED COP IN THE THUNDER CLAN PT, SO IT MAKES NO SENSE THAT "KITTYTACKY WAS TARGETED BECAUSE OF A LEAK IN THUNDERCLAN." IF THERE WERE A LEAK IN THUNDERCLAN I NEVER WOULD HAVE SURVIVED TO DELIVER MY REPORT ON MATHBLADE. WE'VE BEEN OVER THIS GUYS, COME ON.

Any other results I should be aware of?

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Bell is probably town then for game balance reasons

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And yeah.
After N6, I don't really SR Dann anymore because his content in our Gathering pt felt genuine.

Can you paraphrase what he said?

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Is now a good time to mass claim?

Did any of my predecessors claim?

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Is now a good time to mass claim?

Did any of my predecessors claim?

Regardless, I don't have any cool abilities, just the Wind Clan Leader.

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If Freedom is towning Dann then, I'm leaning towards flow trap and Lukewarm I guess.

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Cephrir is sus right, that's not just me

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sorry about your scum pm

Who talks like this, to a replacement

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Has anyone seen that new TV show The Traitors (on the BBC)?

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Lukewarm is town

This needs explaining

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therefore luke is most likely town

lol you are norwee furtive

Among other fallen heroes

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see 276 alisae (scum) vs val, doesn't read like scum v scum

alisae/norwee feels acted

Quote the interaction then

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what's your read on luke?

Sus, partly poe

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sorry about your scum pm

Who talks like this, to a replacement

i'm plenty suspicious and this is definitely not a good reason for it

What's the best reason?

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i haven't caught any scum or done anything at any point

Neither, and no one's mad at me for some reason

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290

im not like super confident on it but i think he feels like town val to me

spewed town

I find this more convincing than your quote post above. Val likes a big spam contest with scumbuddies

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im not like super confident on it but i think he feels like town val to me

spewed town

I find this more convincing than your quote post above. Val likes a big spam contest with scumbuddies

But I've seen fireisredsir treat Town like this before

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@Furtive have you back read any of the Windclan PT?

A bit, no conclusions really

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I'll vote with Bell for now, I could also vote for Cephrir or even Lukewarm

VOTE: Dannflor

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Everyone sus claiming cool roles

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The target is notified that they received fruit

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Basically a p boring claim that could just be a mafia version of itself even if we let Cephrir graduate and do it, so I prefer voting them out either today or tomorrow

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Don't vote JunkoChan, vote with us cool people on Dannflor

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Don't vote JunkoChan, vote with us cool people on Dannflor

Do you TR Junko?

Yes, fairly strongly. I'm surprised they have even 2 votes.

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Or do you SR Dann?

Less so, just voting with Bell who I think is mechanically Town. Also happy to vote Cephrir

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Damn the absence is intimately felt D:

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VOTE: Cephrir

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VOTE: Cephrir

If this slot is going to refuse to do anything besides vote me for no reason as they indicated yesterday, we might as well just kill me and get on with it

I asked bell to vig me but as you can see he could not

This defeatist stuff is partly why I'm voting for you, feels like a scum tactic.

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VOTE: Cephrir

alright since i'm doubling down on pocketing ceph - i've seen that you think it's him or me, but can you talk thru why you actually think ceph is the last scum?

are you going for him first because it's easier / i'm a big scary duck, or do you think he's genuinely higher scum equity?

The defeatist stuff fits with JunkoChan self-voting more

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im not like super confident on it but i think he feels like town val to me

spewed town

I find this more convincing than your quote post above. Val likes a big spam contest with scumbuddies

@furtive would you mind expanding on this a bit too please? you've got it stuck in my head lol
you seem very comfortable with freedom as well, do you think this is explicitly unlikely to have come from scum!val? bc this seems like it should kind of be a red flag?

Lukewarm replaced Val right? They seem town by play now, but they didn't yesterday.

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VOTE: Cephrir

alright since i'm doubling down on pocketing ceph - i've seen that you think it's him or me, but can you talk thru why you actually think ceph is the last scum?

are you going for him first because it's easier / i'm a big scary duck, or do you think he's genuinely higher scum equity?

The defeatist stuff fits with JunkoChan self-voting more

how so?

Gamestate, some games have a real sad vibe in the scum PT

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i was doing this bit well before the scum started losing

What's your motivation for doing a 'bit'?

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Lukewarm replaced Val right? They seem town by play now, but they didn't yesterday.

yeah look i get wires crossed REGULARLY, i meant to say you seem quite comfortable with luke town lol

can you expand on what you were talking about re. val a bit?

I've played with scum!Val twice and he is capable of a massive paragraph with his scumbuddy, which has been me before. Anyway I don't think Lukewarm would have led on Junko as scum yesterday so it doesn't matter anymore

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VOTE: Cephrir

alright since i'm doubling down on pocketing ceph - i've seen that you think it's him or me, but can you talk thru why you actually think ceph is the last scum?

are you going for him first because it's easier / i'm a big scary duck, or do you think he's genuinely higher scum equity?

The defeatist stuff fits with JunkoChan self-voting more

how so?

Gamestate, some games have a real sad vibe in the scum PT

Do you think the scumteam are just like, folding? I think you're probably the only person who thinks that - do you have a read on Ceph otherwise?

There's 1 mafia left, and I don't think they're in a great position

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Bell's 1 legacy read was that I was town. My name's Onestar if that helps. This vote seems like a bit of a throw to me, not in the rulebreaking way just like really bad play

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Being salty about not being given the warrior ceremony yesterday.

If it makes you feel better, furtive didn't support the nomination of Luke.

Stop grassing me up bro

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SS, do you have any opinions on who is the elim today?

I thought you wanted to speedrun town loss

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Do me a favor, and tell me when you started thinking that Junko slot was town and why

It just happened officer. But also, I blame Bell.

On the real, I don't really remember a specific post but their thoughts on the game seemed genuine to me. Besides, once I vote someone, however arbitrarily, I usually double down and become convinced I'm right. I'm that kind of player.

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Actually, I see you mean because he voted Dann first.

But like. Bell's solve was Dann + junko

Still realistic, theworst could just be efforting as scum. But I'm sick of Cephrir's air of doom

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Actually, I see you mean because he voted Dann first.

But like. Bell's solve was Dann + junko

Still realistic, theworst could just be efforting as scum. But I'm sick of Cephrir's air of doom

What is your take on SS?

Could be scum.

Basically my thoughts are:

Freedom, Lukewarm

Cephrir, Something_Smart, Theworst

As in I don't know who it is

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Actually, I see you mean because he voted Dann first.

But like. Bell's solve was Dann + junko

Still realistic, theworst could just be efforting as scum. But I'm sick of Cephrir's air of doom

So you're voting for me out of annoyance

Weird take from someone who's saying others are throwing

I think your air of doom is a scum tactic

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@Everyone

Can everyone please take a moment to tell me your thoughts, given this set up, if it makes more or less sense for there to be scum in the council?

I don't think Freedom is scum and I'm not

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@Everyone

Can everyone please take a moment to tell me your thoughts, given this set up, if it makes more or less sense for there to be scum in the council?

I don't think Freedom is scum and I'm not

I am not asking about your read on anyone.

I am asking about set up spec

Why should there be a scum Leader? Do you really think it's too townsided to have all town deciding who can become PR?

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@Everyone

Can everyone please take a moment to tell me your thoughts, given this set up, if it makes more or less sense for there to be scum in the council?

I don't think Freedom is scum and I'm not

I am not asking about your read on anyone.

I am asking about set up spec

Why should there be a scum Leader? Do you really think it's too townsided to have all town deciding who can become PR?

I am asking you your opinion on the matter lol

Town can get stuff wrong so yeah it's still balanced

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starclandammit let the record show i tried to engage with furtive

Have I missed your question or something? How am I not engaging T_T

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Actually, I see you mean because he voted Dann first.

But like. Bell's solve was Dann + junko

Still realistic, theworst could just be efforting as scum. But I'm sick of Cephrir's air of doom

So you're voting for me out of annoyance

Weird take from someone who's saying others are throwing

I think your air of doom is a scum tactic

cool

why?

Just seems easy to do

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furtive glance is such an aptly selected username i literally can't tell if this is scummy evasiveness or just, like, vagueness as a personality trait combined with *waves at 217 pages of migraine*

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Actually, I see you mean because he voted Dann first.

But like. Bell's solve was Dann + junko

Still realistic, theworst could just be efforting as scum. But I'm sick of Cephrir's air of doom

i'm concerned this is more of a tonal issue than a game solving issue, and i think cephrir (plus probably you) can be engaged by, like, communicating with whole real sentences and shit.

i find it really hard to align myself with your view of "scum have folded, ergo the second-lowest energy player [let us not forget SS] is scum" when, like
scum have shown nothing but effort and intent to win this game

junko self-voting means there's a slightly >rand chance that scum was already on her wagon. that's all. self-voting because you think you're going to lose is getting eerily close to "playing against wincon" space and i don't think it's responsible to solve on the basis that scum got to f9 and abandoned their wincon.

i'm not even sure that you're scum if i'm being brutally honest?? i just can't align myself with your world view at all and that means you're either defeated scum or lowkey a liability



sorry this post is really harsh. if you are town & can like, just press a couple of levels deeper and un-tunnel on cephrir i think town is drastically more likely to win this game. you can still scumread cephrir, if you want. but i need something other than your disjointed gamestate read if that's real.

not really a question but i did explain why i'm finding it hard to get anything out of our interactions. i was sort of hoping this might be a call to reevaluate or something.

You're just roasting me

The thing about gamestate was just an idea, it could be wrong

I said, it could be you, Cephrir or S_S. I'm voting Cephrir because I find them scummy at the moment. I don't think I'm tunnelled, I voted your slot yesterday and re-evaluated after the cw flipped scum.

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Actually, I see you mean because he voted Dann first.

But like. Bell's solve was Dann + junko

Still realistic, theworst could just be efforting as scum. But I'm sick of Cephrir's air of doom

So you're voting for me out of annoyance

Weird take from someone who's saying others are throwing

I think your air of doom is a scum tactic

cool

why?

Just seems easy to do

how does that make it a scum tactic

idk it's like a gimmick to try and earn pity?

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hardclaim libra but my reads this hour are like,

tw
lukewarm
cephrir
freedom
ss
you

i don't see what you're seeing and i don't think cephrir makes sense as scum. i do think you're tunneled on that gamestate read, which is different from being tunneled on a single slot, but is similarly not very helpful for other people trying to solve the game.

i'm not really trying to roast you, just trying to highlight a flaw in our communication. can you explain to me why you're locktown on freedom?

I think voting for Junko yesterday when there was a free ride on your slot courtesy of Bell would be borderline throwing as scum.

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idk it's like a gimmick to try and earn pity?

but like. when does this ever work.

do you think he's scum trying to use a pseudo-AtE strategy to win, or scum who's kind of abandoned winning and is just groaning his way through endgame?
those are two super different things

They sound similar to me, you could be pessimistic and still try to win via being willing to die so people think you're town. I don't get why you think they're towny

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I voted your slot yesterday and re-evaluated after the cw flipped scum.

To be clear, I dont think that thinking about it as a counter wagon is very productive, since, at least from your PoV, both wagons were town motivated.

Votes on Dann were conf!town!Bell, and you

Votes on Junko were your current town reads, me and Freedom followed by conf!town Bell, then the self vote by Junko, hammer by Ceph.

True that's a GP

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alright ydrasse has probably had enough time to put a curse on me

VOTE: furtiveglance

I don't get this, but banter with the moderator is scummy

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Would someone mind unvoting to get us off e-1, I am working on a wall post >.<

I already flipped guys I'm town D_D

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Wait are you drafting a huge case against me? Why did I unvote to help you what is wrong with me

I love Lukewarm cases actually, quite excited

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VOTE: theworst

haha yeah

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Something_Smart you should vote someone

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BTW I don't think anyone could have not shot bell last night lol, leaving him alive any longer would point to his reads having mistakes

i concur -- afaik bell never outed how many shots he had, and as a result i think anyone could easily think he might not be limited and feel forced to get him the hell out of here

I think 1-shot was expected though, at least by me anyway

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I hope that's gg

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Anyone have any abilities left?

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Final 3 is more iconic. I have the feeling that if we no eliminate, it might be met by a no kill though.

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I'm leaning towards no eliminate, we don't really lose anything and if I die then it's not my fault if we lose

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If we are playing the day, the we town hunt first, instead of scum hunt

Pick 1 player to confirm them town.

If we are playing out the day, I would expect to be the one confirmed town. If 2 of the 3 or you are against it, I think we just no elim

Don't want this plan

VOTE: No Eliminate

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Am curious.

Are you against the idea of solving 4p that way in general, or because the suggested clear is me.

Want your thoughts more fully formed in thread please.

Ironically, I don't want to give my full thoughts because I don't want to tell Mafia what to do

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i do want to tell mafia what to do: kill me

repent for your murderous ways by doing one good deed

Do you want to no eliminate?

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Am curious.

Are you against the idea of solving 4p that way in general, or because the suggested clear is me.

Want your thoughts more fully formed in thread please.

Ironically, I don't want to give my full thoughts because I don't want to tell Mafia what to do

I mean, technically we have more then the 2 options I presented.

Like, confirming freedom instead of me.

And since you are not saying what about that original plan you don't like, I am not sure if you even considered that option.

Which is relevant for our planning for today

I prefer f3 to f4 in general, more likely to vote out Mafia I think. Separately, I also don't really like your plan but maybe that's just because that's not how I've seen it done before

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furtive, can you expand on what you dislike?

I refuse

I prefer not to speak

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I just prefer final 3

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my gut decision is to no lim so i can focus on one of luke/freedom to be paranoid about

Just vote then. I feel like the less said the better. As I said before, no death feels the most likely to me anyway

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I think just vote for sleep guys the thread died a bit

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Hello I don't want to be on E-1

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luke. i think his solving has a lot of value, i want to see it, and i think i'm not going to eliminate him anyway regardless

i guess val could be more theater but i dont think it is

I see.
So, we can proceed with Luke's plan, right?
(Mainly involves putting furtive on E-1 and Luke not hammering, conftowning him.)

FREEDOM HOW ARE YOU SO BLASÉ ABOUT THE WHOLE GAME BEING ON THE LINE

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furtive, would you still want to no-lim if we conftown another slot?

There's no point now, Lukewarm would just die. I'd rather let him call it basically

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@ceph and @furtive

If you are considering a possible scum!freedom, please talk me through your thoughts there.

Right now I am inclined to have him as the most likely town between the three of you, but want to hear from you before we commit to that idea

By play Freedom isn't that towny, but I feel like it would have been such a weird bus on JunkoChan. I think I was right on Cephrir pretty much since I replaced in. Partly because of their quickvote on me at the start of today. They weren't considering their options, just knew that me and them would be in opposition today. Cynical

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@furtive, please talk to me about your read on me prior to freedom's vote

Mostly town, but not 100%

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I did think you were town, just wasn't sure

Bnd was a bit sus, but I thought it was you in that schadd game when it was you. Besides your play made no sense as Mafia. I just thought the best play was to no elim based on what I've seen before in f4 situations

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luke. i think his solving has a lot of value, i want to see it, and i think i'm not going to eliminate him anyway regardless

i guess val could be more theater but i dont think it is

I see.
So, we can proceed with Luke's plan, right?
(Mainly involves putting furtive on E-1 and Luke not hammering, conftowning him.)

FREEDOM HOW ARE YOU SO BLASÉ ABOUT THE WHOLE GAME BEING ON THE LINE

This does not translate to "I prefer to play in 3p"

"The game being on the line" is only true if I am scum.

I kind of thought you were secretly scum reading me, but did not want to say it because if I was town, and I got night killed, it solved it for you. Or conversely, you didn't want me to know in case I would aim the kill at you for it.

The answer being "I just wanted 3p, but was pretty sure you were town" is a much more boring answer tbh

How does my position not make sense to you? I thought it was unlikely, but possible, that you were Mafia

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Obviously I'd like to be clear, but realistically I'll hammer Ceph if it's them that's voted

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I was asking you a series of questions, and in my mind, if you answered a certain way, I would walk away with a town read.

You did not answer that way.

You answered in a NAI way (in my opinion)

Fine

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Obviously I'd like to be clear, but realistically I'll hammer Ceph if it's them that's voted

I am reading between the lines, and this scenario means "I would bet the game on freedom being town"

Is that accurate?

Maybe not the smartest thing to do but I do think it's Cephrir so yeah

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God mastina potentially being right is so fucking funny to me

Yeah you said this already. How amused are you, can you convey the extent of your amusement

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One might even be tempted to suggest that scum in this situation would attack someone whose personality they dislike rather than develop genuine reads that go deeper than the surface owo

Yo. I know I said something that implied this earlier, that you were annoying me. But it's just because I think you're Mafia, and Mafia playing in that style annoys me. I have nothing against you personally.

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Like, even with the paranoia, I think that he was still the towniest of the 3 of you, because both of you are playing very scummily >.<

Howwwwwww

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VOTE: Lukewarm

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TBH I kinda find Ceph's hesitation townish.

D_D

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TBH I kinda find Ceph's hesitation townish.

D_D

Do you disagree?
Like this could totally be scum!Ceph trying to buy time, but then, why?

For the purposes of looking Town? That is a big scum motivation in a social deduction game

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Oh my bad

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D:

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Thanks for modding!

I don’t think I’m ever going to replace into a large theme ever again - or at least what I should have done was forget about catching up and just start reading from the page I replace in.

Large themes depend on replacements these days!