HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

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VOTE: Wayward

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5 pages.

Not bad. I can do this later.

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Apologies, probably not going to be able to read up on this tonight.

VOTE: STD

Is this still the biggest wagon?

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Currently reading and will post something later.

Would have had a post sooner but Everton lost so now I'm pissed and don't want to read anymore.

I remember liking Mala, Bella and ActionDan from first 7 pages or so. Didn't really like Wayward, KJ or and Flea. HPE to a lesser extent, too. Passenger made me feel different ways.

That's about it so far.

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UNVOTE:

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Hey Titus,

What's up?

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Did you miss my unvote Mala?

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Why?

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I unvoted STD

Titus voted me

I asked what's up.

What's sketch about that?

Pedit - OK, so why vote me when I just unvoted StD who you think is town?

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You think KJ are town, StD?

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VOTE: KJ

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Titus, respond to my last post please?

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Sorry, I meant the one that I responded to you with.

I'm tired, my words are not working properly.

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Pedit - OK, so why vote me when I just unvoted StD who you think is town?

This one...

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Case on Dragon seems weak.

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515 sums up Gimli pretty well, too.

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Super surprised Fenrir is the leading wagon. Wagon comp is ugly, too.

Probably gonna have to read the rest of this game.

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Bella, why you not voting?

Elements/Mala, why you wasting votes?

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Umm, that seems unlikely.

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Elements did some good posting on page 10, wondering how/why they've ended up off the KJ wagon.

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Ouuuuuh this was a lot. After reading from 117, this one's main thoughts are: Joker had a half-decent case against StD early on, but that's since kinda crumbled. His tone is kinda wacky and his points against Elements, Flea, and StD have all gotten out of whack, but it honestly... doesn't scumread him all that much. It feels like town misplaying rather than scum shitpushing from what it knows firsthand of his meta. Some of Harley's later posts (i.e. 265 immediately under Flea stating that faer not ignoring her at all and 267 saying NO YOU TOTALLY ARE IGNORING ME) feel

bad

though.

Can you talk a bit more about why you're not scum reading KJ?

That being said! StD doesn't look so good either even if Joker's case isn't quite so good anymore. His ISO is very dodgy in general but in particular 231 is just groanworthy. Scumlean here

Talk more about this as well please.

That this one didn't like Elements' ISO very much, and still doesn't. Scumlean on Elements.

And this one as well, please!

A lot of vague reads here.

So to anyone who’s town here sr either of us for purely playstyle reasons, please explain for non-typical playstyle reasons why we’re scum here. Because I have yet to hear even one non-playstyle-based reason for anyone sr either of us for meta.

~Harley

I'm not scum reading you for playstyle reasons. Not quite a PbPA, but some things that stood out to me;

First one is a little reachy, but bear with me. I know Frog likes the psychology behind playing Mafia and something pinged me in one of his posts (he did it twice). In 99, in response to an extremely basic question from RR (he asks if Frog scum reads Flea so heavily, why isn't he voting him) Frog begins his response with 'Good question' and I think that's an appeasement to try and sway RR from continuing any sort of push based on his response. The question was a basic one and I think Frog was buttering RR up for want of a better word.

The initial push on Fenrir was weak and genuinely made 0 sense. I feel like Fenrir has addressed this enough in terms of his play being dumb if he is scum.

The complete dismissal of Flea's questions is scummy218. I actually didn't like Flea's original question in 109 but Frog's avoidance of answering looks bad. It wasn't a particularly difficult question to answer, either.

Few more things from page 11/12, the reversal from Nancy on RR voting her looks manipulative and the whole self-meta defence looks awful, too.

That about sums up my thoughts so far.

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Disagree the wagon is organic.

Wayward sheeped KJ early on and hasn't reevaluated at all from what I've read so far and HPE was angling to join in 283 as well with weak reasons.

Haven't seen Eira's vote yet but as I said earlier, you have come into the game with the absolute safest reads possible and just hopped onto the leading wagon.

That's 3 votes at least that are pretty suspect.

Also, a point I forgot to mention about KJ earlier was that on page 10 they take the easiest possible route to try and discredit Elements posting about them (picking on the Wayward read) as everything else Elements said was accurate and hard to argue against.

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I should clarify my position as well, I'm not town reading Fenrir and, due to this, I feel have already overdefended the wagon on them but these things have needed to be said.

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Fenrir, what are your thoughts on the people on your wagon?

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Can you expand on those?

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VOTE: Passenger

Choo choo?

I really don't think Fenrir is the elim Today.

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Fenrir, interested in Passenger?

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Bella, talk to me about Passenger?

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Wayward son, passenger and action Dan have made even less of an impact on mw than enchant/elements. Nothing memorable

Wanna vote them then?

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Actively choosing implies Fenrir thinks HPE is scum, no?

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Boring reads

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Like, you read the entire game and that's all you have?

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Eira could be scum.

This Fenrir wagon feels bad.

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I find you underwhelming and you're not making any waves.

I don't care who you're scum with.

Fenrir isn't scum because push is bad and has gained significant traction. Plus, even if he is scum, given his post volume compared to say, Passenger, he'll be much easier to find and elim later in the game. If town, I think Fenrir could prove himself to be a useful player in the game and I think he should be afforded the opportunity to do this.

Yes, I am a mutineer.

Your filler questions are really bad.

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Passenger wagon looks good

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Talk about Passenger being town

P.S I miss the pirate talk. Please reply in role. Thanks.

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Thanks for replying in role!

Scum can bus though, yeah? And Eira is sat on the Fenrir wagon, who I agree is likely to be town.

If you don't have reasons to town read Passenger and are only worried about an unknown wagon comp, it seems like a good vote, no?

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VOTE: KJ

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Passenger died.

And was town.

Scum are very comfortable with current game state.

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I think scum have at least one role blocker as well, FWIW.

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He isn't.

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Bella, did you roll scum?

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I'm with you.

I think KJ are scum. Eira as well.

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KJ/Eira/Gimli/HPE

That's probably where I want to look today.

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Flea seems Town.

Not much of a read on AD tbf, wouldn't mind seeing some more.

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Eh, more interested in action Dan/flea rn? Eira seemed more buddy as scum but this is only on one games meta.

Do you think Eira ruffled feathers on D1? That's not the impression I got.

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You think both Flea and KJ can be scum?

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Eira, I've liked Elements posting. Do you have something to show me to make me think otherwise? Titus has been lurky, sure, let's see what Today brings.

Can you explain why those 4 people I have said I'm interested in is 'easy'? I wanted KJ yesterday but nobody seemed interested (one of the reasons I liked Elements posting from D1)

I don't need to factor in the Passenger death. What does that have to do with anything? I understand why Passenger died. Both wagons being town again points to scum having good thread presence/influence. (RR being off both wagons makes me a little uneasy, especially given their reasoning for town reading Passenger)

Bella, we seem to be at complete opposite ends of the spectrum in this game.

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RRs reasoning wasn't as bad as I first remembered - didn't like that he was avoiding wagon based on unknown wagon comp but his two biggest suspects were Eira and Gimli.

Let's see how RR proceeds Today.

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I certainly didn't say all those on dragon sus. In fact, I've just explicitly stated a town read on one such player on the Fenrir wagon. The three I named are in my line of sights for more than *just* being on the Fenrir wagon, too. I feel like this is either an oversight (unlikely) or you're being blatantly disingenuous.

Alright, so a D2 scum read on Elements with literally 0 reasons than feel? That's what I'm seeing?

Further, I scum read 3 people on the Fenrir wagon, one on the Passenger wagon and one whose vote was Idle. Again, you're being disingenuous to suggest that all my scum reads are based on the Fenrir wagon and him flipping town (which should have been obvious I feel after like 3/4 of Day One but whatever)

There is a big difference between the content produced by Fenrir to sort him and the content produced by Passenger. One of those was a much easier town read to find and it wasn't Passenger.

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KJ appearing to have role specific information on Fenrir (who was a VT) sure is interesting as well.

Can't wait to hear all about that.

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BBT am I finally playing with town!you?
VOTE: KJ

Of course.

Am I playing with town Elements again?

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Where are you currently at Elements?

Talk to me.

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Fucking hell Elements.

Are you scum?

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Fenrir was an easy town read, Nancy.

Try harder.

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What do you think of current game state, Nancy?

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Eira, are you going to acknowledge that what you said about my scum reads is false?

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Nancy, given what we have in this game so far, I'm flabbergasted that that's your choice of vote.

It's so weak.

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They're not all heavily tied in with Fenrir?

And even if they were, which they're not, it's difficult to find someone who isn't heavily tied in with Fenrir given they were a leading wagon for pretty much all of D1 and a major part of all the discussions.

Again, you're being disingenuous. I have stated reasons why I am suspicious of both KJ and Gimli that have nothing to do with the Fenrir wagon.

You're either not reading the game. Or you're scum.

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Above was at Eira.

Nancy, can you respond to Gamma's post? If they're scum, why do they come into the game and scum read you knowing it will earn them a scum read back?

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You should probably at least try responding if you're town?

PEdit - You're literally not responding to a single concern about you.

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Damn.

KJ look real bad and Eira still won't vote them.

Elements, talk about that visit.

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I am concerned because Elements expressed he was poisoned. I know we both visited KJ.

KJ visited no one.

I visit someone and determine who they visited and who visited them.

Elements should claim what he did.

Elements didn't.

Enchant said they had been black spotted. Which is anti town IMO if it turns out they were lying. Scum have a delayed kill, I'm guessing you were chosen Titus.

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LOST doesn't count because I literally got scum read by 15 of the 21 players or whatever it was. Extremely difficult for me to form any type of read in that game with the amount of pressure I had on me.

I don't know what DoP is.

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Frog really shouldn't have tried to use your 'PR' to elim Fenrir. That was bad.

He even acted like he was being forced to full claim.

I'd like to know why Elements visited you.

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VOTE: Elements

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I'm not town casing myself. What a silly suggestion.

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Frog coming in with all of these questions instead of answering the things that have been levelled at him is not a good look.

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You're not understanding.

I don't particularly care whether your slot thinks I'm town or not. I'm undecided on your slot. I like Nancy's start of D2 but your slots D1 was absolutely horrific.

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KJ, you're not innocent just because Titus visited you and you didn't go anywhere.

The whole scum team don't all travel together for a kill. You can be scum and NOT perform a kill.

Just want to clear that up.

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Got a lot to read up on.

Like the HPE wagon though.

VOTE: HPE

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Elements, why you avoiding the HPE wagon?

Gimli's reason is BS for avoiding wagon.

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HPEs distinct lack of scum reads is telling.

Gimli, get on the wagon.

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Eira unvote is yucky

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Too many people not voting.

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Why wouldn't I be?

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Will read up properly on this as soon as I can.

HPE looks good though, no?

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Lots of people still not voting, too.

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In what way is that townie?

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In what way is that townie?

"Engaged and trying to sort people". It can come from scum, but I like it.

What part is engaged and trying to sort people?

You said it yourself, was doubtful of the claim until other people took it as town and then HPE conformed. Even the wording of the post is bad as it leaves room to reverse the read if needed.

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Yeah, your read of 'feels engaged and trying to sort people' just doesn't fit with that post at all or even HPE's play to that point.

HPE is trying to sort people by seconding what somebody else has said?

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Bella, vote HPE?

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I still want literally anyone to give me threw bullet points of why

You're not town reading her? Why do you need reasons?

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I'm the worst for pronouns. I'm just gonna start using people's users because am sick of the messages about this.

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You don't need to understand others' motives.

You need to decide for yourself if HPE is worth voting or not. Why do you need coercing?

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People need to explain the town reads on Eira to me.

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VOTE: Action Dan

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Bella can be scum, too.

Her positioning around that HPE wagon was bad.

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I haven't looked into you properly yet Action Dan, but I genuinely can't remember a stance that you've taken or something you've posted.

Bella, your bouncing around HPE was scummy. You specifically stated that you had lost your town read on HPE and yet continued asking people why they were voting for HPE. I still don't understand why that was so important to you for someone you were not town reading.

If we're elimming Eira, I'm 1000% down for that. Been scum reading him for a while

I need to sit down and read this game properly.

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Because I really didn't like your positioning around the wagon.

Again, why did you care so much about reasons for voting someone you were not town reading? Even more so you're now claiming you were scum reading HPE - your position makes no sense.

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Bella, why are you avoiding my question?

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What even is this game

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VOTE: Bella

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Fuck it

I'm a sort of vig. If I get targeted, I redirect the kill. Three guesses for who I directed it on to.

Talk more.

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Sounds like a scum PR to me

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Are you even reading

Don't do this, Bella.

Talk more about your role and what you think has happened.

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OK, I just realised the balls up I made re Bella's power.

I got carried away because...something.

Anywho, Bella, what do you suspect happened?

UNVOTE:

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Interesting if Bella was chosen to be killed.

Seems a much likelier target than Action Dan, that's for sure.

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Bella, you know I'm awful with regards to set-up, PRs, Mech etc etc. Like, genuinely awful.

I didn't read it properly because I thought you meant you had redirected to Passenger.

There is still a tiny doubt in my mind about your redirection because why would scum not be able to redirect a vig shot?

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Bella, I'm town.

Talk to me about Eira?

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Spicy take - I still think KJ is scum.

I think StD had to die because he would have been all over them and they were worried about it. The desperation to elim him D1 still doesn't sit right with me.

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Eira was real sticky with StD on D1 as well

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RR could have easily faked that.

RR has flown well under my radar this game as well.

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Can get reads from start of Day interactions would be the obvious line of thinking...

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Spicy take - I still think KJ is scum.

I think StD had to die because he would have been all over them and they were worried about it. The desperation to elim him D1 still doesn't sit right with me.

STD didn’t even had us in his PoE. Give it up, you’re terrible at reading me, when are you going to realize that? Third game you’re wrong, you actually think you’d learn by now but guess not.

Fenrir was all over you at the start of the game, IIRC. I need to reread to see why Fenrir changed their mind but they didn't do it until late in the day. Doesn't mean Fenrir's initial read was off and doesn't mean you both wouldn't have been worried about Fenrir revisiting that read either.

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KJ, why do you think Titus was marked with Black Spot because it makes 0 sense.

As does Action Dan, unless redirected by Bella, and even then, why Bella?

The kills make zero sense and I'm always suspicious of the loudest players in a game when they keep on surviving.

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Nah I don't care.

Titus said: It's Toffee or Erynis.

That's all I need to know. Was it Toffee? Is Killing Joke setting Toffee up with this quesyion?

I don't care. My brain is dark.

So, what you're saying is that Titus said HPE or BBT, so as scum, I decided to elim the other person in her PoE and leave myself?

That's what you're trying to tell me?

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Because they're dangerous if they eventually get it right?

I take your point though.

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That's what I thought Eira, you're talking shit.

I really need to read this game properly, I'm not in it at all.

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I'm just gonna go ahead and nip this in the bud.

I'm the Vig, I killed Passenger. Anyone wanna CC that? Didn't think so.

I'm shooting KJ tonight.

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Not quite

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VOTE: Eira

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Killing Joke [Hydra of Frogsterking and Nancy Drew 39]

Elements
Enchant

Bellaphant

Radical Rat

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Eiralox
Gamma Emerald Wayward Son

Flea The Magician

Gimli Andresvmb

ActionDan

Malakittens

I think this is where I'm at?

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How does that negate their play so far?

I disagree with that read as well, FWIW.

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Actually, I wanna do this

VOTE: Gamma

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Gamma can definitely be scum here. Probably not going to move my vote any time soon, stand by Eira scum, too.

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It's still really strange that you would just assume something like that, then base your scumread on that assumption, then when it becomes apparent you were falsely accusing someone double down because their reaction was bad, all the while explicitly dodging responsibility for your own vote.

It's just not a good look

This sums it up pretty well.

Eira defending Gamma and trying to steer away from the Gamma/KJ discussion isn't a good look either.

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Eira, push some scum reads.

Elements, self-voting is never town. Scum use it all the time as a manipulative tool to show how town they are. Especially when they're in no actual danger of being elimmed.

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Do you think Elements PR is a scum one? Again, I'm bad at set up/mech so an explanation would be great

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Elements has given results since though, no?

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Outside of the claim, I don't feel like Elements is doing a whole lot of solving

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Fuck it

VOTE: Elements

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Scum have roleblockers and we need to be aware of this

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Gigli, talk about your top 3 scum reads please?

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Auto correct...Gimli*

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I don't think Dan is as solidly Town as you apparently do. Being spotted is unfortunately not a clear in this case, and neither is rereading things. Going through ISOs and making up comments isn't exactly a difficult thing for scum to do, and it's suspect to me that he suddenly cares now but has spent most of the game doing absolutely nothing. And on top of that, I don't agree with the takes presented, though I did get a good chortle out of the math poem.

I simply do not trust him enough to advocate sheeping.

Motivation for caring now that he is dying if scum as opposed to town? Scum just shut up to avoid spewing, no?

Town try to give their last thoughts for everyone else to work from?

I don't understand this RR

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you say 'the double soft inno' one more time, nancy, and you're gonna be perpetually in my solve

By the way, I felt this. Like, deep in my gut. Like, right in the pit of my soul, this post just hit me.

Nancy, if you care so much about why Titus was targeted you would think you would be putting in more effort than anyone else to figure it out...but I'm not seeing it.

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Yeah, I get that to an extent if you've been active all game. Action Dan hasn't exactly been active all game so him getting active as scum now doesn't really make sense

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Nancy, as scum, would you not slate players for scum reading you to replicate your town meta?

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It may not be possible, Bella.

ISO Mod.

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Why can't you click a quoted post to go back to it anymore?

So frustrating

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Press the teeny tiny little arrow next to it.

Thanks!

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I'm not shooting KJ anymore.

PEdit - Can't really say more, Bella.

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Even if he isn't, he has been black spotted so is going to die anyway?

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Nancy, would you replicate your town meta of lambasting players for scum reading you if you were scum?

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Would you replicate this meta as scum, Nancy?

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Would you replicate this meta as scum, Nancy?

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VOTE: Gamma

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They think it looks town.

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Haven't really seen what from her, Nancy?

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Yeah, I could buy that.

There will almost definitely be a deep wolf though just because of how the game has played out.

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Elements, talk me through where you're at right now.

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Town - BBT, KJ, Gamma, Dan
Bella
Null - RR, Mala
Enchant
Scum - Gimli, Eira, Flea

Umm, talk about Gamma being town?

As well as Gimli and Flea please?

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I'm also surprised that town Dan isn't mad at me

That's actually a really good point.

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Elements, just Gamma read left to do please!

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Can you talk about the Gimli read as well as Gamma, please?

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there were several points during d2 where I looked like a crazy person talking to myself about how elly botched her claim. I still think she botched her claim because of the 'they're probably goon' to KJ after they claimed VT. she assumed 'same' meant vanilla after KJ hardclaimed VT because she is scum. then when she went to talk about it, she slipped perspective. I think.

Quotes?

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I think I understand Gimli's post but I'm not sure I fully do. I'm so unbelievably stupid when it comes to anything to do with mech.

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If a vanilla cop investigates a goon and a VT; what result do they get?

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I think I see what you're saying. There is no way for Elements to tell whether KJ and Action Dan were VT/VT or Goon/Goon and the fact she went with Goon/VT is the discrepancy?

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VOTE: Elements

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How about I possibly shoot Elements and we elim Gamma?

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I'm crying tears of joy that someone finally understood me

I understand what you were talking about but it's not a good solve

How did you come to the conclusions you did regarding AD and KJ, Elements?

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OK, so you knew AD was VT, how?

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VOTE: Eira
Dan is the same as KJ
That was my night 1

???

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I think KJ is a mafia goon

And someone else is vt but I won't say who

Dan is the same as KJ
That was my night 1

Just for clarity.

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Was your role not pretty much outed at that point?

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So what was the point in phrasing it in a weird way when your role was already out there?

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Parity cop not super strong, vig can be neg utility and miller is miller.

I don't think it actually looks that strong?

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I'm not reading Eira's post. At all.

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Quoting posts literally does nothing.

Nancy, I want Frog in here because I have a question for him. And it's about meta.

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Even if you read them, it tells us nothing about what you think they mean or what your thoughts and conclusions are.

At best it's lazy. At worst you're just scum promising and promising and never delivering.

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You're not explaining anything, Eira.

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VOTE: Gamma

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I managed to bait the kill, I have the black spot.

I was only a 1-shot vig, but it was a recharge shot so if I got blocked then my shot would be refunded.

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Scum possibly worried I would shoot them though, chose me over Bella for example.

Eira prob scum?

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Scum have roleblockers

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Enchant flip makes Elements town, right?

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If scum, Elements could have prepped the claim from the very beginning.

But, if she is scum, why would she visit KJ? It makes no sense. Elements is very likely to be town, IMO

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If Bella can redirect any action towards her it kind of makes me think she is more likely to be scum?

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Mala's miller claim is also starting to make little sense in terms of town not having any investigative roles? At least as far as we are aware.

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Spoiler: Coloured VCs

1.04

Votecount 1.04

Save The Dragons (4):

Killing Joke,

Wayward Son

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ActionDan

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BlueBloodedToffee

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Killing Joke (3):

Save The Dragons

, Flea The Magician, Elements.

Wayward Son (1):

Titus

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Elements (1):

Bellaphant.

Eiralox (1):

Radical Rat.

HighPrincessErinys (1):

Passenger.

Flea The Magician (1):

HighPrincessErinys

.

No Elimination (1):

Eiralox.

Not Voting (3):

Enchant

, Andresvmb, Malakittens.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

1.05

Votecount 1.05

Save The Dragons (5):

Killing Joke,

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

HighPrincessErinys

.

Killing Joke (2):

Flea The Magician, Radical Rat.

HighPrincessErinys (2):

Passenger

,

Save The Dragons

.

Bellaphant (1):

Malakittens.

Wayward Son (1):

Titus

.

Elements (1):

Bellaphant.

No Elimination (1):

Eiralox.

Not Voting (3):

Enchant

, Andresvmb, Elements.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Mod Notes

• Elements is V/LA for the weekend.

1.06

Votecount 1.06

Save The Dragons (5):

Killing Joke,

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

BlueBloodedToffee

,

HighPrincessErinys

.

Killing Joke (2):

Flea The Magician, Radical Rat.

HighPrincessErinys (2):

Passenger

,

Save The Dragons

.

Andresvmb (1):

Malakittens.

Wayward Son (1):

Titus

.

Elements (1):

Bellaphant.

No Elimination (1):

Eiralox.

Not Voting (3):

Enchant

, Andresvmb, Elements.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Mod Notes

• Elements is V/LA for the weekend.

1.07

Votecount 1.07

Save The Dragons (4):

Killing Joke,

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

HighPrincessErinys

.

HighPrincessErinys (3):

Passenger

,

Save The Dragons

,

Enchant

.

Killing Joke (2):

Flea The Magician, Radical Rat.

BlueBloodedToffee (1):

Titus

.

Enchant (1):

Elements.

Andresvmb (1):

Malakittens.

Elements (1):

Bellaphant.

No Elimination (1):

Eiralox.

Not Voting (2):

Andresvmb,

BlueBloodedToffee

.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Mod Notes

• Elements is V/LA for the weekend.
  
• My avatar looks so weird without a hat considering getting a pirate hat

1.08

Votecount 1.08

Save The Dragons (6):

Killing Joke,

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Eiralox, Gimli.

HighPrincessErinys (4):

Passenger

,

Save The Dragons

,

Enchant

,

Titus

.

Killing Joke (3):

Flea The Magician, Radical Rat,

BlueBloodedToffee

.

Enchant (1):

Elements.

Gimli (1):

Malakittens.

Not Voting (1):

Bellaphant.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Mod Notes

• Elements is V/LA for the weekend.

1.09

Votecount 1.09

Save The Dragons (5):

Killing Joke,

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Eiralox.

Gimli (3):

Malakittens,

Save The Dragons

,

Titus

.

Passenger (2):

BlueBloodedToffee

, Gimli.

Killing Joke (2):

Flea The Magician, Radical Rat.

HighPrincessErinys (2):

Passenger

,

Enchant

.

Not Voting (2):

Bellaphant, Elements.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Mod Notes

• Gimli is V/LA.

1.10

Votecount 1.10

Save The Dragons (6):

Killing Joke,

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Eiralox,

Enchant

.

Passenger (5):

BlueBloodedToffee

, Gimli,

Save The Dragons

, Flea The Magician, Bellaphant.

Gimli (3):

Malakittens,

Titus

, Radical Rat.

Killing Joke (1):

Elements.

HighPrincessErinys (1):

Passenger

.

Not Voting (0)

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Co-Mod Notes

• Squawk

flavour

1.11

Votecount 1.11

Save The Dragons (6):

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Eiralox,

Enchant

, Gimli.

Passenger (4):

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Save The Dragons

, Flea The Magician, Bellaphant.

Gimli (3):

Malakittens,

Titus

, Radical Rat.

Killing Joke (1):

Elements.

Not Voting (2):

Killing Joke,

Passenger

.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Mod Notes

• Gimli is V/LA.

1.12

Votecount 1.12

Passenger (7):

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Save The Dragons

, Flea The Magician, Bellaphant, Malakittens, Elements, Gimli.

Save The Dragons (5):

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

HighPrincessErinys

, Eiralox,

Enchant

.

Gimli (2):

Titus

, Radical Rat.

Not Voting (2):

Killing Joke,

Passenger

.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Co-Mod Notes

• Squawk
  
• Combined Mod ISO

flavour

1.13

Votecount 1.13

Passenger (7):

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Save The Dragons

, Flea The Magician, Bellaphant, Malakittens, Elements,

HighPrincessErinys

.

Save The Dragons (6):

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

Enchant

,

Titus

, Gimli, Eiralox.

Elements (2):

Killing Joke,

Passenger

.

Gimli (1):

Radical Rat.

Not Voting (0):

-

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Mod Notes

• Gimli is V/LA.
  
• Combined Mod ISO

1.14

Votecount 1.14

Passenger (6):

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Save The Dragons

, Flea The Magician, Bellaphant, Malakittens,

HighPrincessErinys

.

Save The Dragons (5):

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

Titus

, Gimli, Elements.

Elements (3):

Killing Joke,

Passenger

,

Enchant

.

Gimli (1):

Radical Rat.

Not Voting (1):

Eiralox.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Mod Notes

• Gimli is V/LA.
  
• Combined Mod ISO

Flavour

1.15

Votecount 1.15

Passenger (7):

BlueBloodedToffee

,

Save The Dragons

, Flea The Magician, Bellaphant, Malakittens,

HighPrincessErinys

, Elements.

Save The Dragons (6):

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

Titus

, Gimli, Eiralox, Killing Joke.

Elements (1):

Passenger

.

Gimli (1):

Radical Rat.

Not Voting (1):

Enchant

.

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Co-Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
  
• Squawk

Flavour

1.16

Votecount 1.16

Save The Dragons (7):

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

Titus

, Eiralox, Killing Joke,

Enchant

, Gimli.

Passenger (7):

BlueBloodedToffee

, Flea The Magician, Bellaphant, Malakittens,

HighPrincessErinys

, Elements,

Save The Dragons

.

Elements (1):

Passenger

.

Gimli (1):

Radical Rat.

Not Voting (0):

-

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO

1.17

Votecount 1.17 (Final)

Save The Dragons (9):

Wayward Son

,

ActionDan

,

Titus

, Killing Joke,

Enchant

, Gimli, Elements, Eiralox,

Save The Dragons

.

Passenger (5):

BlueBloodedToffee

, Flea The Magician, Bellaphant, Malakittens,

HighPrincessErinys

.

Elements (1):

Passenger

.

Gimli (1):

Radical Rat.

Not Voting (0):

-

With 16 players alive, it took 9 to eliminate someone.

Co-Mod Notes

• Combined Mod ISO
  
• Squawk

Remember to send Aisa any night actions. Wayward Son has ~20 hours to pick up his prod, or he will be replaced during the night. Night 1 begins now and ends in

(expired on 2023-01-21 12:18:36)

.[/area]

Haven't analysed anything here yet, just coloured the VCs from D1 for me, or anyone else, to have a look at when I have some time.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It doesn't make sense for both Elements and Enchant to be on the same team given their roles.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm finding it extremely difficult to look past their push on Fenrir D1 as well, I feel like Frog has been noticeably absent as well?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

As well as that, there are too many as wells in the sentence above as well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

From this game Bella, why are KJ town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

KJ, how do Elements and Enchant work on the same team?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

bella comes here saying you're solving. your solve is madness, KJ. you dared coming here with a towncore containing 6 people in a game with 9 players and three wolves left. and you did that while talking to me like you know I'm town, but I'm your POE, and so is flea and you're like 'idk about flea', guess what flea is probably town as well, and elements is probably town as well. why is your solve only townies, how can you possibly make a 6 player towncore, how do you not notice these things, why are you not trying to pair people up if they feel like they could be scum together?

where is any solving? why does bella think this crap is solvey? it isn't. it's probably cosmos all over again but this time she is shooooouting

I feel this.

Specifically the part with a solid town core of 6 people, leaving 3 who should be scum but Nancy doesn't even realise this. The fact scum are very likely close to winning allows them to do exactly what Nancy has done, TR the majority to appease/get them on side and leave a slim pool to elim from. I feel like Elements is town given Enchant's claim and want KJ to elaborate on how they can both be on the same team.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

There is no way this is a 3 scum game, Nancy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Do you think you've played well this game?

I would say it's pretty likely to be facing 4 scum in a 16 player game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think we need to mass claim today to try and narrow the pool if we can.

I'm really intrigued with what happened to Enchant as well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It is when you're not accounting for how many scum are left and claiming all of your TRs are correct, Nancy.

It's extremely unlikely that this is 13/3 with town having a Looker/Watcher, Vanilla Cop, Vig, redirector (which I still think could be scum because I think it has more utility as a scum PR) as well as some other potentially unknown PR which killed Enchant.

Make what you're saying make sense, Nancy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I said I wanted to speak to Frog Yesterday, where is he?

I completely disagree with his meta read on Eira. All 3 of us played in a game recently as the scum team and I think Eira is playing this game similarly.

He kept promising to make cases and give thought out reads etc without actually doing it. I need Frog to come into this game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

He also white knighted pretty hard.

If I used meta, which I don't, I would say Eira is almost definitely replicating his meta from that game.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because Enchant would have been dead at day start, not end of day.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@Gimli, scum Eira;

viewtopic.php?sid=&f=53&t=89984&user_select%5B%5D=28136

[BlueBloodedToffee]

There is no way town didn't notice that 3 people died.

That almost confirms KJ as scum to me. Town would have noticed an extra flip immediately.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think we need to mass claim today to try and narrow the pool if we can.

I'm really intrigued with what happened to Enchant as well.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It's like you're not even reading, Nancy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I honestly don't care for meta Nancy, I just posted it for Gimli to look at and draw his own conclusions.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Flea/RR/Eira

One of these know what happened to Enchant, waiting for them to check in and hopefully narrow the pool a little more.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Similar in terms of his actions, promising posts that don't arrive, white knighting players w/ weak reasoning etc.

I don't really want to get into it because I never use meta and I am very likely way off base with it anyway.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Eira, make Elements make sense as scum after Enchant's flip.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

RR is the only person left who knows what happened to Enchant.

It's actually just Gimli/Elements/Flea isn't it?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Gimli

[BlueBloodedToffee]

UNVOTE:

[BlueBloodedToffee]

KJs town read on Mala is unnerving.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

but like that was a dumpster fire this is a dumpster fire so KJ's extremely confident read is still senseless and reeks of TMI if mala is town

re: does it make sense for it to be a miller in this setup? I think yes because it messes with both the town and the scum cops

How so? Town don't have a cop that interacts directly with a miller.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nobody knows what happened to Enchant haha.

This game is hilarious.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Or Elements is lying? Is that another option?