Weird Dreams Mafia I [Gone]

[Gimli]

im town

[Gimli]

VOTE: std

[Gimli]

but i said im town

[Gimli]

Also, in case anyone else didn't notice... Gimli appears to be hated

what

[Gimli]

oh right yeah

[Gimli]

Btw pls don't recruit me I don't like changing my alignment

I'd like to be in a hood tho I'm never in any hoods

[Gimli]

Tl will scumread your entrance empatrice

[Gimli]

VOTE: lich

I don't think saying "I'm town" is LAMIST, it's just normal behaviour

Don't like that you pushed that

[Gimli]

Okay lich, I think if you're town I'll figure it out in time!

[Gimli]

VOTE: lich

I don't think saying "I'm town" is LAMIST, it's just normal behaviour

Don't like that you pushed that

But from my last experience with the lich, he does that kinda stuff

I thought you'll be more cautious calling him scum for this after that game so you going after lich here is bugging me

hello!

you were not town playing with lich, I think lich was sharper and more confidently saying things as a townie, instead of throwing random shade like this. he also backtracked a bit when I pressured him, so I think this makes sense if he is now playing a different alignment.

but its early.

[Gimli]

enchant very likely town

[Gimli]

idk what the nightmare mechanic is, is it a vigilante kill?

if people wanna give a good townie vig this thing I'll campaign for it and refer to the last open game that just ended where I was town cannibal and I killed a wolf in n1 and then I targeted the serial killer on n2. it was a hard carry and amazing vig play.

something to consider...

[Gimli]

enchant very likely town

why do you townread enchant?

I don't really see how enchant could be towny especially since enchant has no reads other than scumreading dragoneater for voting enchant because enchant self nightmare voted

yeah that was a good post I think. scumreading dragoneater's RVS vote and whatnot, I agree it was a bad vote even for RVS. I think enchant feels engaged and happy with the game in a way that mirrors his town game well. but its early, I'm just strong townreading it atm.

[Gimli]

HURT: Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, Temporal Lich, Gimli, Empath, DragonEater

Btw Gimli I think is town because, from a mech standpoint, being hated only makes sense for town (basically makes ELo more dangerous) but doesn't work really with scum. Of course it could be a red herring though.
And nightmarin' myself because I'm conftown in my eyes.

I'd argue that town potentially losing in elo just because a particular member of their faction is alive over the others. (I.e. Gimli just gets autohammered by scum in elo and loses)
Although it's also just fairly standard procedure to disable voting manipulation in elo anyway, so doesn't really mean much either way.

May be relevant for gimli to confirm whether or not his role is making him hated or if it's something else.

Good point.
@Gimli is it your role?

yes I'm hated as per my role. I don't very much enjoy the modguessing that this means I'm town, but I'll take the townreads nonetheless.

[Gimli]

Why i even trying.

I'm here to WK you, king

[Gimli]

tentatively townreading kawaii

this game is hard to read atm. I might have other townleans but they're too thin for me to say it rn. I have enchant as almost certainly town and kawaii as vibing towny. aware of everyone else atm, not much in terms of scumreads though.

[Gimli]

I don't want to place a serious vote until I hear from bianco, but I definitely have one in mind

I want you to talk about this RR

who you wanna vote?

[Gimli]

I like the 'i'll wait for my partner' line cause it feels more organic hydra being townies but it's a thin read ofc

[Gimli]

okay

that enchant vote was bad too

VOTE: dragoneater

[Gimli]

@dragon: his suspicion of you is good though, so whatever I felt in that post was likely right

[Gimli]

@dragon: his suspicion of you is good though, so whatever I felt in that post was likely right

Wdym?

I mean he has towny suspicion on your slot, the reasoning works. so in retrospect, that hydra post I thought felt towny, even if the reasoning is absolutely flimsy and doesn't objectively work, probably came from town so my feeling must have been right. I agree with you scum would 'wait for partner' too, I just think the way RR engaged the thread about it came from town instead.

[Gimli]

I think DE is behaving well here and I think townreading the thread makes a lot of sense since most players have indeed been towny

[Gimli]

if everyone is towny that means good scum is playing

lets kill kyoko

jk

[Gimli]

I'm not there yet saying the lurkers are >rand scum, not in this game. I think people are posting the right things. I'm really only townreading you, RR and enchant rn. I'll move my vote later.

[Gimli]

HURT: Gimli, Meg, Botanical

I think I do remember people saying we want the most solvy players to run the nightmare?

To me, at least who I have played with recently, Meg and Gimli would be at the top of my list. As far as the hydra, they both are quality as well....but I figure two heads are better than one in this scenario (it pains me to compliment a hydra lol)

this is a good looking post and i think drew is a townie for it

[Gimli]

I actually am going to go ahead and do

VOTE: Gimli

I have a few questions for you:

1 - Is your hated modifier for all phases or just this one
2 - Imagine you were in the nightmare, what invention would you choose and why?
3 - How is your read on temporallich developing
4 - What is your take on how empath voted enchant. What do you think about the interactions surrounding his vote on enchant
5 - Who would you vote to hurt right now? Please write one sentence about each.

We need to verify your alibi, please show us your e-handbook!

you know how hard it is to actually flip me - modifier or not - so I'll take the vote as a >rand town thing?

1 - I'm hated yeah, I think it's throughout the game;
2 - I'd choose a vigilante kill to shred the POE whenever I get to make a POE;
3 - I think lich is towny;
4 - I think empatrice is kinda towny;
5 - I have no idea? but I like botanical rat as town.

[Gimli]

I'm pretty sure it works in ELO

[Gimli]

I understand some of you must be thinking 'well gimli is negative utility for town we can't keep him alive in ELO' and you'd be right

but hated is only part of my role, you know what I'm saying? you should keep me around

[Gimli]

kyoko do you need me obvtowning the game?

[Gimli]

some of the questions kyoko made to me are not gonna provide answers that help her figure out my alignment

idk why she'd be suspicious of me being hated? I understand the modguess that this is a town role is too much, but like being suspicious about my role is a bit ????

I'm retracting my idea that her push was a >rand town thing, I think given the questions and the places where the suspicion is allegedly coming from, I think it can be a >rand scum thing instead

[Gimli]

Who said I'm suspicious of you because you're hated? That question was asked for another reason

I have some follow up questions:

1 - What you think about FN invention. What you think about what was discussed before in game about FN vs Vig as invention?
2 - What changed your mind about lich?
3 - Elaborate on your read on empath if you can. I want you talk a bit about your take on that interaction
4 - why you think botanical rat is town?

1 - FN is crap I prefer killing people personally.
2 - I voted lich for one thing, his 'lamist' read. he read me saying 'im town' as literally lamist, and I think that was wild. he kept posting and feels like genuinely solving things so he is alright now.
3 - I will in a bit
4 - I will in a bit

[Gimli]

I don't need to clarify with the mod if it works in ELO because it's clear from how it's phrased in my role PM that it works throughout the game.

[Gimli]

you're really gonna make me have to play this d1 aren't you kyoko

hood <<<< vig, no? why would you prefer a hood over a vig instead?

[Gimli]

I just skimmed lich and there's a lot of gamesolving content, though this seems wildly different from when he was town in ab:loaf. he seems to be playing more polished competent thoughts, pushing things that look correct. probably just a townie playing well but could be informed scum knowing how to post as scum.

this is the kinds of reads you're gonna get from me this early, kyoko.

[Gimli]

A friendly neighbor is not a hood. Friendly neighbor targets another slot and they receive a message knowing the one who targetted them is town.

ah see I didn't know this. I thought it'd just be a neighborizing thing. I guess if it's a cop check ability then it's really good and better than a vig, then.

[Gimli]

also re: lich there was nothing to 'change my mind' from. I didn't like one push he made, it came from a place I didn't understand and it's very different from the types of pushes he was making in ab:loaf anyway, so I don't agree that it's suspicious that I'm doubting his lamist read.

in ab:loaf he literally pushed someone for claiming miller in opening post, then called you and koki scum scum mindset probably scummy with no rhyme or reason, it was kind of all over the place. the lamist comment is a more deliberate well reasoned push, it's much different from ab:loaf behaviour wise.

[Gimli]

I don't want to place a serious vote until I hear from bianco, but I definitely have one in mind

I don't want to place a serious vote until I hear from bianco, but I definitely have one in mind

I want you to talk about this RR

who you wanna vote?

DragonEater. I think his tone is off, and his assertion that being hated only makes sense as Town is very silly. I think he could potentially be attempting to pocket you

my townlean on botanical rat comes more from this. I said how the 'dont wanna place a serious vote until bianco shows up' feels organically like a townie hydra, and I was satisfied with his suspicion of dragoneater and agreed with his reasoning. I agree saying hated = town is jumping too hard on conclusions with no evidence to back it up.

its really thin anyway

are there more slots you want me to talk about?

also I'm townleaning this back and forth with you cause when you're scum you just go 'you'll always be my potato' and other things designed to pocket me

[Gimli]

posting nonsensical reads like saying me and kokichi are same people and then sticking to it to the point of death was what he did in abloaf.
I'm not sure how he randomly calling a post lamist is worse than that in your mind
I feel like he had been trying to not play like abloaf here actively, but you can still see traces of that somewhat stubborn playstyle still.

Thats why I was thinking you went too easy against him.

I wouldn't say him calling me lamist was random, there was a reasoning there, I just find the reasoning to be quite artificial and could come from scum. if he just called me lamist randomly taht'd look like his town game I think.

[Gimli]

I'm very active regardless, and I am playing the game. the things kyoko want from me are really hard, cause I don't have good reads to share other than enchant = town for simple meta reasons.

I don't like that you're using that post to push me, DE. even though I'm saying 'you're gonna make me play d1', I don't get how your perception of me is of someone who wasn't playing d1 until now. you were really obvtowning our last game together as well and you just seem different here.

[Gimli]

just ISO'd DE and am fine with him being a townie in this game actually, I missed a bunch of posts

[Gimli]

I'm skimming p.13 etc a bit and agree some of my townreads could've been unwarranted and coming from informed places

I do like kyoko calling attention on that so I think she is more likely than not to be a townie.

[Gimli]

I'm getting town vibes from TL

kyoko you might be clashing styles with him like abloaf

(but keep your investigations ofc)

[Gimli]

those aren't reads, he was referencing abloaf game to say we're probably good enough players to be trusted with power roles

but I also kinda liked and townread that post by drew for no reason as well

[Gimli]

yeah we can kill clone based off that one terribad post

[Gimli]

DE just expects me to play harder than this since last game we played together I played it pretty hard and was hard TR'ed throughout

I'm just not finding my footing in this game much but I'm starting to come around in townreads and I might have a semi functioning POE in a bit

[Gimli]

DragonEater70 - town
Nono - didnt post
Clone - idk scum?
Save the Dragons - idk
Botanical Rat (Radical Rat + biancospino) - town?
Gimli - gimli
Ranger - idk
Flea The Magician - idk
KawaiiKame - idk
MegAzumarill - idk
Doctor Drew - town
TemporalLich - town?
Morning Tweet - idk town?
Enchant - town?
Empathice - idk
imaginality - idk
Kyoko Kirigiri - town?

those are my leans they're really not great atm. maybe I'll work in the game throughout the weekend.

[Gimli]

kyoko's townread on doctor drew is very perceptive, I think this is typical town!kyoko so far, reminds me of haunted village quite a lot.

doctor drew is playing a very different, more organically feeling game than abloaf where he was scum and had these rigid big posts and felt a little awkward throughout. here it feels like playing with doctor drew and not him scum shadow. I think especially the way he is evaluating me makes a lot of sense.

I think enchant is a towny because his posting is sharp, it's not so much about posting a lot of mech talk but having some kind of confidence and swag behind the posts that I think come from town!him.

also posts like these after getting voted:

Why i even trying.

reminds me a lot of his frustration as a townie in pairs mafia.

I think I should probably be townreading TL higher than I am but IDK yet, I'll ISO him this weekend. same goes for MT, I think a good player like MT will def. be able to make all the posts she made, but I've been liking the reasoning behind the posts. I think perhaps only time will tell with that slot.

BR started strong, I think, but not as strong as I felt once I skimmed through their ISO, so I guess my townlean there was a bit unsubstantiated. the push on DE was alright.

[Gimli]

imaginality's posts are >rand scum. it's an ISO focused on things that townies don't tend to be focused on, like calling someone LAMIST simply for explaining what LAMIST meant (which, considering it came from temporal lich who's a very helpful sort of player, is completely NAI and player dependant thing)

I think that's my only true scumlean atm.

@kyoko there, did some homework for u.

[Gimli]

VOTE: imaginality

[Gimli]

DE absolutely on fire this game

[Gimli]

TL you won't believe me but I was sitting here looking through posts thinking DD kinda feels like a wolf in this game too

I also don't like or agree with very much of what ranger posted and I think for someone that posted so much I'm surprised with how little reason she gave for me to townread her effort.

[Gimli]

I think ranger's read on enchant comes from a place of superficiality and scumsolving, but I'm yet to really dwelve into everything she posted to lean either way. the meta read was so weak that she didn't even know he was town in the game they played, and was having a strong enough impression of him to have him at the bottom of her reads. I thought that was a little odd, and MT's post about it put in words where my uneasyness with that read was coming from.

[Gimli]

changing from a townread to a scumread purely because of a scumcase (that is well founded but basically says that Doctor Drew could be convincing scum) would be a reactive read

pedit: as far as comparison to AB:LoAF goes... I'd say Doctor Drew is less towny in this game than in AB:LoAF... and Doctor Drew was scum in AB:LoAF. I'm guessing Doctor Drew actually being able to pocket me well and convincingly is a major factor in my Doctor Drew townread... but I'm not scumreading for that because that would not sense make

yes, I understand how you operate, but I think DE's scumcase against DD is about the most solid case we had so far in d1. if that convinced you, that's fine and it's not nonsensical if you do start to scumread him now.

[Gimli]

I have a towncore of DE, TL, kyoko kirigiri and MT atm.

[Gimli]

I like porkens

[Gimli]

I also think flipping ranger works this gameday, with how heavily likely it is that her enchant read is fake scumsolving and not coming from townie places

[Gimli]

I think its safe to add me and I've done enough to be amongst your townreads.

I'm sending mine in a bit (kyoko, dragon eater, morning tweet, temporal lich) I think it has a very good chance of being all townies in it

[Gimli]

HURT: kyoko kirigiri, morning tweet, dragoneater, temporal lich, gimli

[Gimli]

HURT: Temporal, Kyoko, Tweet, Gimli, Dragon, Empath, Ranger
For now.

I was very important town PR in that game so I was just projecting townie from the beginning. here I'm hated and also I have ways to resolve my slot that can be good. I'm softing here just because it won't matter, I don't think scum wants to kill me in this game given the majority etc elimination aspects of my role, being neg. utility and all.

[Gimli]

I said resolving myself

it means I go boom boom

[Gimli]

I'm not saying how that's the surprise

[Gimli]

I'm not saying how come on

[Gimli]

more like openporking amirite fellas

[Gimli]

Use the aforementioned "looks like they are solving but aren't solving" scumtell and look at TL. Their reads are the least genuine of anyone in this game. I Still believe they are probably town regardless though.

Disagreed. I explained why I think TemporalLich's content is genuine solving, and that has only continued with his further posting.

Porkens on the other hand I don't buy as lacking self-awareness.

Porkens is a veteran on this site with hundreds of games, who has had time to develop a level of self-awareness. A seeming display of lack of consciousness is thus, something I find more likely to be deliberate.

Simply put, Porkens has been playing this game long enough to have a high level of self-consciousness. An apparent lack of it is far more likely to be deliberate. A deliberate lack of self-consciousness can be a playstyle choice, but I don't think it's actually Porkens's playstyle choice as town. Ergo, deliberate lack of self-consciousness makes me think Porkens is scum.

I think it's scummy of empathice to be trying to equate playing styles as different as what TL and porkens have showed in this game and argue that they're both TWTBAW.

I also find empathice's emphasis on calling things twtbaw lamist etc to be >rand scum, as he seems to be simplistically labelling different complex behaviour in a way that's not conducive to solving the game.

[Gimli]

actually I think it was imaginality who made the LAMIST comments. lemme check

[Gimli]

ah, yeah. also imaginality's ISO is terrible, maybe more people should be voting him.

[Gimli]

I'm actually fine with empathice's posting, I was confusing him with a different player clearly. at any rate I disagree that TL has been twtbaw and I think that's a wild perception.

[Gimli]

I've decided that I'm fine with ranger's posting now, I find the hypersolve to be a townie trait in general and her push on porkens seems to come from a very honest place. I maintain that her stances on enchant are offputting enough to keep me only tentatively townreading the slot, but I like the things I'm seeing from her now.

[Gimli]

VOTE: clone

[Gimli]

I haven't read anything but if this how clone decides to participate after not being around for days then I think he is scum for it

[Gimli]

I keep looking for reasons not to keep voting TemporalLich and they keep disappointing me.

@Gimli I don't use acronyms much but in that case was pointing out the hypocrisy of TemporalLich being LAMIST with their reply to Kawaii's question about what LAMIST means. So it amused me to use that phrase there.

I too am troubled by Empathice having me high in his townreads. In conjunction with telling me TemporalLich is too wolfy to be scum it feels like maybe hoping to sway me away from voting TemporalLich?

I don't see Porkens as scummy. I think I'd rather keep Porkens here a few more days because I feel like they are good at ruffling people's feathers compared to giving scum an easy ride.

I feel like Flea drove things more as town in the other game I was in with faer. Not sure that the difference is AI though but interested in thoughts of others who know Flea's meta betta.

112 and 268 from Meg are bad (both wishywashy fencesitty stuff) and if I wasn't still happy voting TemporalLich I'd probably be voting Meg instead.

Oh and I see Meg's fishing as well... yeah, VOTE: MegAzumarill

(P-edit: random fact of the day: the [post] tag only seems to work with 'post' written in lower case.)

I like this post. I think the suspicion on empathice is fair, and the suggestion that empathice might be svs with TL, while almost never correct, makes sense from a POV of 'defending a buddy'. I can def see a scum defending another scum with calling them twtbaw.

I also like the suspicion of flea, although by now I know that flea doesn't like playing d1s very hard at all. we probably shouldn't wagon faer cause it'd be antitown to do so d1, and wait to play with the slot on d2.

not sure I agree with your stances on meg, I think meg's posts are very good actually, and I disagree with calling her wishywashy and fencesitty, I think her posts are quite hard.

but anyway even though I disagree with parts of it I think this post was towny.

[Gimli]

let's kill morning tweet

jk

but that was odd

[Gimli]

Yeah I wanna be in the nightmare

[Gimli]

I want a dayvig

[Gimli]

just checking if it works for me like it worked for mt

[Gimli]

I don't see how you don't see those two Meg posts I linked to as fencesitting wishy-washy though. (Admittedly Meg's other posts haven't been, it was just those two.)

that's what I don't like about your read, it seems like you picked two posts out of a hat just to call Meg something. I also disagree with labelling them as fencesitting, I think wrt her post about me is just mech talk and not rly relevant to alignments so I don't think you should be trying to draw an alignment out of those, and the other one feels like townie trying to figure out why a player is behaving a certain way, it's a hard thing to do. I think it just shows thought process and it's another weird post to be scumreading a player for.

in fact now that we're talking about it, I don't like your post so much because your Meg push feels unaligned with a townie perception of the game.

[Gimli]

The one thing about Clone is, and just finished a game with them, I think they barely care. Why they even bother joining a game, especially a large game, I do not know.

I get the urge to vote them, even if policy, but saying they are scummy is a reach for me. And voting to elim them is an uneducated guess IMO.

Honestly would prefer a TL elim over Clone, disingenuous has been thrown around a bit lately, would say it applies to them quite a bit.

I think it's fine that you think this but if clone is mafia I'm gonna wanna flip you next for this defense alone.

and as far as d1 goes flipping a slot that 'barely care' is a good idea iyam.

[Gimli]

nah man clone is scummy af

[Gimli]

if clone is scum and you're scum you're gonna have to learn the basics which is MURDER THIS SLOT

if you're town I get what you're saying but flipping clone is at least a great base elimination for the day. we find something better we move there, sure.

[Gimli]

Ladies and gentlemen, here is the difference between a town mentality(Gimli) and scum mentality (TL).

Though Gimli, as I read your post again.....how exactly would you know my alignment? You just said you would be all over me regardless.....is this some TMI?

I mean it if clone flips mafia I will try to kill you cause that defense has bad associatives if the slot is scum. but, surely, I don't know your alignment. if clone is town it looks fairly good even.

[Gimli]

yeah idk about save the dragons either lol

the game went a little stale didn't it. I'm not sure what to think of a few slots. I might do a POE or something sometime this week

[Gimli]

yeah porkens and empathice are really hard to sort through. I also think the way doctor drew is playing gives me town and scum vibes in different parts of it. I've advanced some of my leans, I think ranger is a townie now, I still like MT but wish she contributed more so I can be confident about it. I think you're obvtowning this game gladly.

[Gimli]

give me the gun it'll force me to actually read this game and kill mafia

[Gimli]

yeah... the Kyoko death also unsettles me

however... I do know that Doctor Drew is 300% not sus trust me bro

kyoko death is 100% scum in the fucking hood man

[Gimli]

dont hammer std now

[Gimli]

I think enchant targeted kyoko lmao

pedit: yeah I'm just telling people not to get ahead of themselves so we don't have lolhammers before we agreed with stuff

[Gimli]

Honestly I think it's protown to out Kyoko's mason partner because scum already know who it is based on the Kyoko kill.
However I won't do it without consensus from the nightmare runners because I could always be missing something.
Pedit: Flea, I know who's Kyoko's partner so that's who am clearing.

the only think I don't think we should out is who we gave the gun to, on the offchance scum isn't there

we out that info on d3

[Gimli]

wow thats really subtle

[Gimli]

BTW IM IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MORNING TWEET AND IM SCARED

[Gimli]

wow thats really subtle

You mean what I did? Yeah that was something wasn't it?

lmao yeah

[Gimli]

Spoiler: casing std

so std is probably who we're gonna kill so I wanna hardcase him for towncred:

enchant having wim/not trolling/doing mech spec is probably town enchant

TMI

HURT: Save the dragons, enchant, Gimli, Rathydra

puts himself in there cause he is a wolf. also he joined the neighborhood and was the wolfiest player in the game so that also means he is a wolf.

i like his energy

TMI

Are you trying to pocket me lol

fake reaction

yeah i actually thought that post was weird

kira energy post

i disliked porkens entry but recent posts have seemed alright i guess?

i don't know about clone but it's a decent wagon for now

super kira energy post

pure scum meta 100%

[Gimli]

BTW IM IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MORNING TWEET AND IM SCARED

I would love to join in, thanks in advance.

I think we should kill her instead of std right now that's how much this hood is scaring the living shit out of me

[Gimli]

From the rules:

There is at least one guaranteed moderator lie present in this game. Your role, alignment, and any abilities you possess will always be truthful. I will never lie to you about what you can do, or who you win with, or if you know anyone else is aligned with you. Anything else in the game could be lied about. The exact things I will lie about have been determined in the review.

@mod: would saying "Last night, I saw in a dream that Save the Dragons could kill another player" be a possible moderator lie or would it fail the "I will never lie to you about what you can do" condition given Save the Dragons is one of the players reading your post?

Mod never said actually that StD can kill, they only said "I saw it in a dream"
So it could technically not even be a lie?
Anyway I still think StD is scum because of PoE (I know there's at least one scum among nightmare runners, everyone else there is towny af).
I'm also thinking that if StD flips scum, vig should shoot Imaginality for an associative.
But not Porkens, the other vig.

Actually scratch that, Porkens is the one who should shoot Imaginality if StD flips scum, the other vig knows already who to shoot.

Pedit I love the reference to the Kira game where you actually didn't even find out StD.

I did too, beat that fox to the ground

[Gimli]

what we need to talk is about me being in a hood with MT

if MT is town she has no reason to do it

if someone else is town they have no reason to do it

so it's a scum thing or a random thing

if it's something scum I think we need to flip MT

if someone that hooded me and MT can come out and claim please I need to know why you'd do that

[Gimli]

I like one post by MT in her entire ISO. I don't like this.

std has been limbait so this feels planned. he won't defend himself and we'll him and he'll flip something else.

std doesn't have to claim anything, if we're gonna kill him we just kill him, if we're gonna let him live let him play his NAs without scum knowing what he has

[Gimli]

(porkens, MT, std, clone) is where imo we should direct our efforts today.

[Gimli]

I think kyoko died because scum was in the hood. there she was really obviously just a townie with a bunch of good ideas and probably reads. I don't think she showed anywhere near that in this thread, so the kill feels like scum had the instinct of making a proper strong player kill on someone who was unlikely to be a doc target. it became a hider target even...

of course std and mt are our best suited candidates for scum in the hood. I wish radical rat would play so I can townread him, but I'm pretty positive about everyone else there being town.

[Gimli]

I mean why is std highly likely a mislim? that seems like a strong townread no?

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@Kawaii:

Clone doesn't look any better today.

Meg's not posted recently. Depending how today goes they might be a possible lim.

I need to reread the two Es (Enchant, Empathice), I've seen some people suspicious of one or the other but they've blurred together a bit in my mind. I do remember wondering about possible associatives between you and Enchant and TemporalLich but you at least seem towny to me today so I was probably wrong about that.

I'm a bit wary of Gimli's sudden push on Morning Tweet and being so concerned about being in a neighbourhood with her. Seems to me like that should help Gimli read Morning Tweet rather than otherwise. Whereas scum would definitely not want to be in neighbourhoods with players who might be able to read them. So Gimli pushing MT early today does ping me a bit. Along with just now saying he only likes one post in her entire iso when in 729 he was 'still' townreading her - that seems like quite a dramatic shift?

Okay is this a townslip of Imaginality not realizing Enchant was dead?
Or am I misunderstanding what they are saying here? Because I am not sure I even understand what Imaginality is saying here. I am really tired so that might be it.

it can be a slip but doesnt mean they're town, since enchant didn't die by scum hands (he died cause he prob hid behind kyoko)

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Was it my firstp ost

it was #393.

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so you're scumreading me but you want me in the hood? eh

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of course, I'll take it.

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flipping std will get us to know if we can trust or cannot trust or give any weight to the messenger. I suppose we're gonna have that in the following gamedays as well.

the most likely scenario is that this is a town loud? psychologist? whatever TL thinks we have is what we probably have.

so, at the end of the day, maybe killing std is good idea.

std softed that his role makes it okay if he dies. it's possible that he is supersaint, or something? or that his role is potatoes.

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I do think std is likely mafia but I always think std is likely mafia, so I'm not trusting myself with it. I'm giving a mechanical argument instead, but I also did case him and I think what I'm saying in my case of him is justifiable.

I'll treat dr drew as locktown given TL's thing.

nobody claimed the kingmake stuff so I'm assuming that's a mafia for now.

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Sorry Flea, I don't know why I got your hopes up (or maybe I do? )

Anyway since the discussion doesn't seem to be going anywhere and since nobody seems very interested in a Fenrir lim, and nobody is voting Clone either, I might as well go ahead and make a case for scum Empath.

I did an ISO of them and this is what I came up with:
Their posts feel kinda fake, like theatre, you know? Like,
#84 - you townreading me and BR? Surprised Pikachu face (When they townread BR just a few posts back, mind you).
Then, 123, 125, 127, 129, 241, - Engagement with, vote and subsequent unvote on Enchant, all feel like theatre
136 - "Kyoko might be pocketing Eater", is sooo random and I don't like it.
Questioning whether or not my vote was RVS multiple times was also weird but not necessarily AI. However in context it strengthens my feeling of their posts sounding fake.

Also overall tone of posts (for example, 66, 273) just doesn't feel the same as in 2113 where they were very actively scumhunting. This game they are barely scumreading anyone.
And then there is the thing of them only casting 3 serious votes, two of which being a somewhat scummy wagonning of a wagon that I started (check out Mastin's "butter zone" scum tell). Then voting Gimli with no explanation (yes they have them as a scumlean in the D1 readlist, but the scumlean isn't explained at all).

Another point is that the readlist itself just feels empty of content? Like I honestly don't know what it's trying to achieve, except maybe an excuse to push DD who was being pushed at the time Empath posted the readlist.

VOTE: Empath

136 is really bad yes

VOTE: empathice

im sold

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I was starting to sus empath last night but forgot all about him

glad you spotted all of these scummy things DE, great job

[Gimli]

clone/std/empathice

of course, thats too easy. but I think we should clear those slots now.

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another reason for flipping std: we'd be flipping the scummiest slot inside the hood. if it flips scum then we know scum knows everything from n1 hood. it will help us with our n2 hood ideas and perspectives.

[Gimli]

HURT: gimli, temporal lich, doctor drew, dragoneater, flea

ugh for now

[Gimli]

also note that a "nightmare" mechanic exists as well

generally you'd want people good at solving running the nightmare

pedit: I still don't have enough info to change my RVS vote but Save The Dragons feels towny

Spoiler: STD's posts at this point

Korina really wanted us to know day started that they sent the PM multiple times in case one got lost in the mail

I had a weird dream I was playing weird dream mafia

that's so meta your post makes me say "that's so meta your post makes me say "that's so meta...

I had a weird dream gimli voted me

I had a weird dream a mod posted

Don't worry I'll recruit you

^ Literally just fluff posting.

I'm too lazy to go back and find them but there were multiple votes by TL that were timed like OMGUS and had shoddy reasonings. But really all of TL's reasonings have felt shoddy.

I Still think this is TWTBAWish even if that was originally an excuse to not push the softed cop. The OMGUS didn't feel hidden at all I don't think.

HURT: Empath

For now to prevent any nightmare hammers. Doctor Drew is scummy so claiming a single shot cop check on them when an ordinary one-shot cop would not say they are one-shot is really really bad.

TL is a townie and probably so is DD, so I think you're barking at the wrong tree here. also, I don't understand how post 30 something of the game when TL gave an early townlean is relevant now or looks bad on TL in case std flips mafia or whatever. I hard disagree with your take.

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I think kawaii is town

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I have a preference for eliminating empathice given how scummy his posting is today

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oh no that can't be good

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I was really looking forward for this game man :[

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anyway thanks korina for modding, and I'm really sorry this happened in one of your games

I think town would have this in the bag tbh, but kawaii was doing really well

I'm not signing up for any mafia games for a while but ofc unrelated to the trolling

gg hope to play with everyone again <3

[Gimli]

clone/std/empathice

of course, thats too easy. but I think we should clear those slots now.

std always limbait lol

[Gimli]

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[Gimli]

@Gimli, I sent you strawberries tonight, sad that you couldn't receive them

thank you for the strawberries <3

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haha morning tweet was a cultist!!!

I can't believe some moron robbed us of how funny this game would've become

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DE the towniest player in the game with the IC role

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I softed a bunch of fake shit cause I wanted to get in the hood and get the vig and shoot mafia

I was just a bodyguard lol

[Gimli]

I softed a bunch of fake shit cause I wanted to get in the hood and get the vig and shoot mafia

I was just a bodyguard lol

We thought you a PG0 Gimli

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Also GG, really liked to cooperate with you, nightnare friends. Can't believe we actually had an all-town nightmare!

MT was a cultist! lmao

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Also I see your claim about mayhem ensuing was just for show.

wanted to be alive d2, thought there'd be scum in the hood but I also softed it in the main thread, so much so that at least kawaii thought I was pgo which was more or less the goal

[Gimli]

I might try to salvage some concepts and ideas from this setup and run a successor to this one as well, just so some of the roles from this setup see the justice they deserve.

Yeahhhhh please
Honestly the nightmare mechanic was SO fun and ingenious! I really loved it, in fact I want to nominate it for best mechanic for the scummies.

seconded the nomination, I have to say I was having the greatest time with this game, both from a mechanical standpoint it was really interesting and chaotic and fun and also the playerlist was perfect with one very unfortunate exception

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yeah I'd never figure it out

but in fact it does suck to play from a position where the forum glitched this hard, just horrible position to play from

I think even if no one notices, this was enough to compromise the game

btw everytime this thread gets bumped I feel a little sad that we couldn't play this out. especially being the first game with town shared powers that I got to participate in actively and they even trusted me with the vig! :/