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[Merlyn]

If you rolled scum without me Drew I will cry.

[Merlyn]

This readslist is 100% serious and contains no contradictions.

Something_Smart

Green name = confirmed town, everyone knows that.

Doctor Drew

You can have one twenty-eighth of a townpoint for not being paired with Merlyn.

Merlyn

You can have one twenty-eighth of a townpoint for not being paired with Doc.

KittyTacky

No posts, therefore no read.

JasonWazza

No posts, therefore no read.

GrandpaSpino

Ngl the vibes here be sus.

T3

Post 23 such IIOA, caught scum.

Skygazer

Post 14 sucking up to the listmod, caught scum.

Usually the scum are in my townreads D1 so VOTE: Doctor Drew. That's not an OMGUS vote at all.

ngl i dont like people who give a readlist like this so early in the game. like honestly whats the point if this is gonna change, like do it in a private pt. sorry, no shade<3

woops sorry

-mo

This is a pretty jokey readslist though. I'm only up on you 1/28 of a point.
VOTE: Jason I can't be fooled again.

[Merlyn]

[Merlyn]

Aree you just trying to divert the heat from Jason now?

What a weird thing to call out KT on.

It is weird for sure, but what heat is on Jason that they would be diverting?

[Merlyn]

drew maybe town

im starting to dislike drew here. seems like how they were when they were scum wit me . they are just following where the pressure is leading them. possible tryna foreshadow a pocket to jason

-mo

Lol, I that is because the rest of my scum team(you, Alisae, and FB) were spamming the thread, all I had to do was lightly sheep them.

And I highly doubt I would be able to pocket Jason if I were scum l.

Don't worry, I still like you Drew. And there is basically zero chance Drew would think that was a good strategy after Newbie 2120.

[Merlyn]

and idk i thought everyone reads the game backwards.

LOL I don't at least. Doesn't it seem a bit like reading a book backwards, how can you tell what anyone's talking about?

[Merlyn]

oh, I get it, that makes sense.

[Merlyn]

and kt's thing. its just such a peculiar thing... i dont rlly see it more as sketch but as very interesting and should be taken into thought later on when we are doing pair associations.

I don't think this was shading.

yup. ur 100 percent right. just a cool interesting thought

So it was both...a random no big thing thought, but it was also something we should note later when we're looking for scumpairs. Uh huh?

Do you know what, I didn't even care about what you said to Kitty, it seemed like a classic early jab at someone. I only think it's weird now that you've contradicted yourself.

[Merlyn]

So it was both...a random no big thing thought, but it was also something we should note later when we're looking for scumpairs. Uh huh?

Do you know what, I didn't even care about what you said to Kitty, it seemed like a classic early jab at someone. I only think it's weird now that you've contradicted yourself.

I'm sorry can you run me through how this works as a contradiction in your mind?

??? It can't be nothing, but also potentially something later.

[Merlyn]

are you new @meryln?

-mo

I am! I did read my role pm though.

[Merlyn]

I have a feeling you are and I are not the same type of players, Grandpa Mo.

[Merlyn]

Okay. I'm going to drop this for now bc I sense in you the ability to argue for pages over it, and I don't think what you said is strong enough to go full blown tunnel on you over it.

[Merlyn]

Please don't tell me I fell victim to one of the classic blunders, Vizzini!

[Merlyn]

You read that whole game and wrote up a post in under 5 minutes, huh? Or did you maybe scan for something that you thought made me scum (even though you hate meta)?

I joke in all my games (except my very first, I was too nervous lol), mafia is fun!

Is your scum list really just everyone who has said something to question you?

[Merlyn]

Merlyn, just to check, are you scum reading GrandpaSpino?

Or is this more gauging reactions?

Not really, or I'd be voting them. This stuff is too small to be AI already.

[Merlyn]

i'm having a really bad day so im gonna disappear for a bit

Sorry, feel better! When you get back: Are you still feeling town for Drew?

[Merlyn]

Oh, I kind of mixed up Merlyn and Sky toghether...
No matter, my point still mostly stands. It's just a lie.

Yeah, I'll skip the question you asked bc it's really about sky. I haven't lied about anything, though.

Merlyn, just to check, are you scum reading GrandpaSpino?

Or is this more gauging reactions?

Not really, or I'd be voting them. This stuff is too small to be AI already.

We're on page 9 though. I don't really think you need much solid of an evidence to justify a vote so early

~b

I agree with this, but I'm not leaning scum for you rn.

[Merlyn]

I agree with this, but I'm not leaning scum for you rn.

It's a bit odd then how you're poisoning the well about us. Like how you're putting forth a barely veiled accusation of OMGUS here.

Is your scum list really just everyone who has said something to question you?

Or that Mo's trying to use meta maliciously.

You read that whole game and wrote up a post in under 5 minutes, huh? Or did you maybe scan for something that you thought made me scum (even though you hate meta)?

Your tunnel vision is showing a bit.

[Merlyn]

So here's the deal. I don't read GS as scum right now bc when I looked at their answers and accusations, they strike me as coming from blustery town.
BUT I COULD BE WRONG. Because we're actually not far into this game. So yeah, when I see inconsistencies, poor reasoning or things that might later mean something, I point them out.

GMo is never going to answer "actually yes, I just scanned the game looking for an excuse to scumread you instead of making a fair analysis". And they're not really solving-minded, or they'd be directed at others ("hey, does anyone else think GMo's meta scan was bullshit?")

This was absolutely directed at other town reading along and thinking that GS had actually read that game. This isn't Jeopardy, I shouldn't have to put the answer in a form of a question!

This is the bottom line. I found some things I didn't like in GMo's posts. They're small, and everyone here should know that they're not really enough to build a case on. But they did happen. And at some point in the future, if they keep happening, they might not be so small anymore. But that's not the case right now.

[Merlyn]

I don't want to hear about 'you'd rather bicker with mo' when I said I wanted to drop it pages ago. And I definitely don't want to hear 'unnecessarily antagonistic' when the player who called me a liar gets off Scott free.

[Merlyn]

@Merlyn, your vote was never this super sticky with regards to RVS votes, is there a reason you aren't at least using it more for pressure like you normally do, and hell is there a reason for the general stickiness of your reads in that, it feels like at least in your past 2 games, you were actually using your vote with the questions like this, rather then letting them flop like a wet noodle with this sort of post.

LOL Well I definitely wasn't trying to do any noodle flopping. I don't enjoy interacting with folks on this site who will argue with you endlessly and escalate till you're in a battle for pages with them and I could see that's how it was going to go with GS. I'm not someone who will be having a 5-page fight in these games regardless of alignment. It's not fun for me and I play here for fun.

[Merlyn]

Like, I don't even have a good idea about who to vote for rn, and that's because the game is only about GS and I while scum lurks in the background and takes advantage of what was likely a TvT spat.

[Merlyn]

You should feel complimented rather than insulted, it means I'm holding you to a higher standard than GMo.

Or maybe I'm just numb to people saying "X is lying" when they mean "X is wrong". I did not read that post as antagonistic in the same way as I did yours.

LOL you said he did 'real dumb shit' the last time you played together, I think I feel about as complimented as I should.

You think GS is town? On their own merits, or just because of the attention this conflict has received?

That's a great question. I don't know yet.

I feel like the only one drawing attention to it, besides GS themselves, has been me.

You, Jason, and Drew actually.

[Merlyn]

Am I crazy to think this could actually be SvS?

Have a little spat, and then when questioned by someone or someones outside the spat, start to downplay it.

Not crazy, just wrong.

[Merlyn]

finally done professing for the semester

Hey, congrats!

[Merlyn]

Tbf, there is nothing else really going on in this game.

I am annoyed that Alianna has been MIA.

And I fear Bianco is trying to make up for Gmo's 'dumb shit'

What that means, yet to be determined.

True enough. Okay, what are your thoughts on Smart? Regardless of what you think of their push on me, what are your thoughts on alignment?

[Merlyn]

i dont like how grandpa hasnt responded to my scumreading them

What is there to respond to?

That's just like me now saying that i scum read for example, Alianna, and just not saying anything but expecting a response anyway.

Like ok, you have an unbacked up thought, back it up with something and maybe it's response worthy.

generally i feel like town ppl are more like willing to ask "why" while scum generally ignore it and hope it goes away

at least thats what i do

Yeah, scum know they're guilty and they know that the scumread on them is correct, so they just don't want to engage. Grandpa also strikes me as a player who would want to engage with the scumreads on him.

FWIW, I don't tend to engage with scumreads on me regardless of alignment unless we're in lilo. I do understand why you're thinking that about GMo lol, just saying I don't find it a scumtell.

[Merlyn]

@MOD- speaking of our hydra, can we get a prod on GrandpaSpino?

[Merlyn]

Yeahhh, sorry about the inactivity.
I'm finding this game a little difficult to get into.
Could have something to do with the fact that the hydra's got ~30% of the posts in the thread and it feels like a lot of us are just spectators (myself included, that's not an accusation).
Maybe it's just because, like I said, I haven't really gotten into the game, but a lot of the stuff we're bickering about also feels pretty NAI.
Merlyn wagon is pretty meh.

Yeah, I get that but we have to get content going somehow. What do you think of GS's mech strat they outlined earlier in 134? This question is open to anyone btw.

Some of it's going over my head maybe. The first paragraph is about if we can win in one day, which I skipped through bc I don't care about that. But the rotational part is what I'm not sure I get.

[Merlyn]

@MOD- speaking of our hydra, can we get a prod on GrandpaSpino?

um its literally been less than 24 hours and my partner is vla so

-mo

I apologize, but I see your last post as on the 15th and I also didn't see any VLA notices so

[Merlyn]

@MOD- speaking of our hydra, can we get a prod on GrandpaSpino?

um its literally been less than 24 hours and my partner is vla so

-mo

I apologize, but I see your last post as on the 15th and I also didn't see any VLA notices so

oh its been that long? game must have been inactive then lol

sorry

-mo

no worries, I have to admit the game did kind of die a bit in your absence

[Merlyn]

But, what is sussy bakas?

bakas that are sus?

[Merlyn]

What I was thinking of was doing a partial massclaim, but I'm not sure if it's smart to do that or not.
Basically, we'd come up with a predetermined order (sussy bakas first) and claim either group 1 (Vig/Blank Vig) or group 2 (Bomb/SS). I did some caveman math and found that there's about a 66% chance we get meaningful information on which group scum are in, though it might be a little lower if we considered that scum can strategize or if I messed up the math.
I don't think it's too detrimental as scum still have to debate if it's worth it to kill in group 1 or safe to kill in group 2.
Any downsides I'm missing? Someone tell me if this is a terrible idea.

This is really interesting to me, I'm not the right person to check your math though.

p=edit, oh, baka like japanese for dummy I get it
p-edit 2- nvm

[Merlyn]

from ur pov, do you think that AI of anything?

-mo

Not particularly. Do you typically find being chatty a tell?

[Merlyn]

There's really not much of a defense I can make against 'you aren't as obvtown this time'. But the case against me is not a good one, that's just all there is to it. If I'm the lim today it might be worth thinking about whether scum sat on sidelines or actively participated.

[Merlyn]

Idk who this was targeted to but I don't think people are scumreading you because of meta. I think people are scumrssding you because of your reaction and how disingenuous you sound. I think those who are expierenced are having a hard time reading you because you are new and usually these disingenuous tells come from new town but are also very much viable from scum

Alianna's vote is literally based on meta. I'm gonna make this clear- when you turn out to be wrong, that's on you. It's not because of me or me being new or me 'sounding disingenuous'.

Pedit: LOL Drew, it's cool, I'm getting used to the view on the cliff this game

[Merlyn]

i will have plenty of drunken things to say tonight

I am a very big fan of drunken mafia style

Same!! Ready for some galaxy brain ideas here.

[Merlyn]

I will admit while I think there is a strong possibility you and Merlyn is SvS, I also hate to go full usesPython and just tunnel you two, I get I could be wrong. I think Jason is a strong player, and sometimes I like to sheep those types to see where it goes.

It probably doesn't help me to point this out, but Python was right about that tunnel in Poetry as it all turned out.

[Merlyn]

I will admit while I think there is a strong possibility you and Merlyn is SvS, I also hate to go full usesPython and just tunnel you two, I get I could be wrong. I think Jason is a strong player, and sometimes I like to sheep those types to see where it goes.

It probably doesn't help me to point this out, but Python was right about that tunnel in Poetry as it all turned out.

And very very wrong in a game I played with them before that.

That's right, I forgot about that big fire and ice fight y'all had.

Also, and allow me to put my tinfoil hat on, but are you saying I am right to tunnel you two?

Well, you'd be wrong about me and I think wrong about GS. What I'm really saying that if you're town you shouldn't be worried about abandoning a read you believe in just out of fear of tunnelling (FoT).

[Merlyn]

VOTE: Alianna
I’m learning town on Merlyn and I don’t like some of the votes of her such as Alianna’s and Drew’s.

VOTE: AliannaI'm gonna hop on here. For me, scum could be actively participating/egging on the fight, but I bet it's more likely they're lurking at the edges at that makes Alianna and Drew both good candidates for me to look at.

[Merlyn]

[Merlyn]

I suppose that doesn't explain why you didn't mention Kitty though, since he's also voting you.
Wait, why didn't you mention Kitty or T3 or Sky in that post? They've all been pretty low-content too.

Kitty is actually a really good point, they're a prime example of what I mean by lurking at the edges. I don't think T3 really qualifies low content, though. Sky- they keep promising to post and I keep believing them lol.

[Merlyn]

But isn't the main reason you're suspicious of me bc you think the interactions I'm having with GS are odd? How does me/Sky fit into your line of reasoning then?

[Merlyn]

If Sky is scum and they win this game by basically using this as a livejournal for their experiences I will scream.

I will also probably adopt it as a winning strategy for a scum game, but screaming first.

[Merlyn]

UNVOTE: Alianna
of Alianna, Kitty, and Sky, I want to lim Alianna and Sky the least. Alianna is not really lurking anymore, she's here and it least looks like attempting to solve. Sky and Kitty are...almost a toss up for me, but I'm choosing to believe that Sky's offer to hammer would ruin any kind of 'stay in the shadows' scum strat they had going on. So yeah, VOTE: KittyTacky.

[Merlyn]

I'm just gonna force myself to sit down tonight and get some opinions formed so uhhh get ready to roast me

Got it, will bring beer

[Merlyn]

nobody answered my questions that I posed in my post.

What questions are being ignored by everyone?

[Merlyn]

wtf is going on

how did we go from meryln to kitty

-mo

Hydra heads: I would love to hear an up to date case on me from you.

[Merlyn]

I'm just gonna force myself to sit down tonight and get some opinions formed so uhhh get ready to roast me

Got it, will bring beer

Save a seat for me.

Slightly unrelated, I had a dream last night that I hung out with Alianna and Emperor Flippynips. We went on a nice hike.

His title is King Flippynips good sir.

[Merlyn]

wtf is going on

how did we go from meryln to kitty

-mo

Hydra heads: I would love to hear an up to date case on me from you.

same shit and its actually funny because u seem way more confident now probably because pressure is off u.

am i right?

-mo

So, same crap case, got it.

[Merlyn]

nobody answered my questions that I posed in my post.

What questions are being ignored by everyone?

1. I explained my reasoning for my T3 SR. Lining up lims would be "we hang T3 tomorrow".

On what planet are associative reads "lining up lims"?

Drew loses town points.
2. How is it TMI?
3. Game's pretty quiet and Merlyn is getting continuously wagoned, safe to assume that.

This mostly since 2 was answered.

I mean, that looks like a rhetorical question to me, I wasn't aware you wanted us all to answer it.

[Merlyn]

I posit this: one or both of the major wagons certainly gets shot at anyways so why not flip one of us now so anyone with a shot has some info to go off of going into the night. Could be me or kitty, idc. In the unlikely but still *very feasible* situation in which no one gets vigged we still have something to go off of.

This makes sense to me. Ill stick with my kitty vote.

[Merlyn]

Well, I'll be around until deadline in case something changes. And if I bite it tonight, cheers to all (except the person who shot me. No cheers to you)!

[Merlyn]

Refresh refresh refresh

[Merlyn]

*attempts to perform mod-summoning ritual*

*brings the goat for slaughter*

[Merlyn]

Good work to whoever made that shot though.

Explain your emoji, Doctor!

[Merlyn]

Not my buddy, guy.

So why are we claiming roles now?

[Merlyn]

Not my buddy, guy.

So why are we claiming roles now?

Not your guy, pal

I don't think we are?

And I shot BianMo because I just couldn't shake the feeling they were scum, too many things they did that just made me say hmmm.

Also, hi5 Sky

Feeling dumb! But have you not in fact claimed a role? I can see why Sky claimed after you. But why did you come out and do it?

[Merlyn]

So, I don't buy it.

Here's a list of Drew's thoughts on me, GS, and occasionally others he says he finds scummy. The TLDR is that it's Merlyn, Merlyn, Merlyn all the way down and shooting GS and not me makes no sense for Drew.

Drew has early beef with Mo, but seems to absolve GS by here:

Spoiler: Drew Post

I will say, this Mo comes off a bit different then the scumMo I remember.

I would like to hear more from Bianco though.....this hydra is a bit Jekyll and Hyde lol.

Also, RE: Merlyn......did strike me a little odd that she backed down so easily, but she still is fairly new and I don't remember her being the super aggressively tunnely type as well, I would have found it even more odd if kept pushing the issue, if that makes sense.

It also turns out to be the same post they voice concerns about my play. So,

Merlyn Post 1.

Nothing about GS, then this:

Spoiler: Drew quote

Thank you something smart, this post definitely was....uh, something smart(I will show myself out).

There was something about Merlyns post that made me feel a certain way, but couldn't put my finger on it. But 'motivated reasoning' is kind of what I was thinking. Like she found one little thing she could push as scum, and now is trying to build a case by any means necessary.

And I didn't check, but has she still not voted them despite this?

Which is really funny when you think about it, because Smart comes back and says, that’s not what I was saying, and Drew is like: oh! I still think it anyway!

Spoiler: Drew quote

It is worth clarifying, since you may have misunderstood-- I am not saying Merlyn was using motivated reasoning. I'm saying Merlyn was accusing GMo of using motivated reasoning, in essence asking him "did you make stuff up to support your argument?" Which is a pointless question, because nobody would ever answer "yes" to that.

Ooh gotcha, yes I misread that.

Point still stands about Merlyn.

Merlyn Posts Two and Three

This is where Drew first floats the idea that GS and I are scumbuddies:

Spoiler: Drew quote

Am I crazy to think this could actually be SvS?

Have a little spat, and then when questioned by someone or someones outside the spat, start to downplay it.

Okay,

So GS Post One, Merlyn Post Four

Drew says he’ll keep his vote on Alianna despite this, so I guess she’s lower in the readlist, though he adds:

Spoiler: Drew

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And admittedly, I kinda wanna vote Merlyn......but it pains me to do so.

Merlyn Post Five

Here’s where he switches his vote- not to GS, but to me:

Spoiler: Drew

UNVOTE:

I know I was harsh on you earlier, and I apologize for that. I will admit I did have confirmation bias, but I do still think you are the vote for today.

I am trying to figure out who your possible partner could be if you're scum.

I want to explore this for right now.

VOTE: KittyTacky

Well this supports my SvS theory for Merlyn/BianMo.

VOTE: Merlyn

Back at E-2 you go.

GS Post Two, Merlyn Post Six

This parts interesting, Drew maybe kind of catches GS in a slip:

Spoiler: Drew

I'm gonna make this clear- when you turn out to be wrong, that's on you. It's not because of me or me being new or me 'sounding disingenuous'.

That's how being wrong works, yeah. Somehow I'm less concerned about the eventuality of being shamed for having misinterpreted you as scummy than about the fact I think you are scummy.
~b

This was interesting wording Bianco.
'the eventuality of being shamed for having misinterpreted you as scummy'

But it can only be a slip if GS is scum and I’m town. Anyway,

GS Post Three

Drew then moves his vote off of me, and declares intention to sheep Jason. When Jason wonders why Drew would sheep him, Drew says:

Spoiler: Drew

When I lack confidence in a couple reads, especially in two other players in that same game, I would defer to the strongest player imo

That’s me and Alianna he’s talking about. So, he no longer has confidence in his scum read on me at this point. He confirms his plan here to GS:

Spoiler: Drew

Lol I get it.

I will admit while I think there is a strong possibility you and Merlyn is SvS, I also hate to go full usesPython and just tunnel you two, I get I could be wrong. I think Jason is a strong player, and sometimes I like to sheep those types to see where it goes.

And now Sky has promised activity, so let's see how this all plays out.

GS Post Four, Merlyn Post Seven:

I got a patented Yellow M&M for my vote next, and then in the post after,

Spoiler: Drew

I actually can get behind a wagon on some lurkers.

I am curious to hear from T3 about my response to their question.

I still want to hear from Sky's drunken thoughts, that is speaking my language.

KT just needs to be more active, point blank.

Alianna, if it wasn't for Merlyn voting her I could see me pushing her again.

So Drew is implicitly stating that I’m still his top scumread, despite his whole ‘lack of confidence’ and sheeping Jason thing. It’s also weird now that I think about it. Scum vote each other, it shouldn’t affect how a town player votes. Drew’s whole argument against me at this point highlights this point exactly- GS was voting me and he thought it was bussing. Why would sussing me stop him from pushing if he thinks he should?

Merlyn Post Eight and Nine

Next, Drew makes it as clear as he can that I’m the big scumread for him, and not GS:

Yes, I find Merlyn scummy, I have a hunch her spat with you is SvS, but you don't strike me as scummy as you were when I knew you were scum. Not sure why I can't have all three thoughts going on in my head.

This is why I haven't really considered voting for you, but am perfectly fine with Merlyn being the lim, and then if she is scum it would kinda shape my thoughts process a bit more.

He has not considered voting for GS. He needs to know my alignment first. (GS Post Five, Merlyn Post Ten)

407, it’s definitely me he suspects:

Spoiler: Drew

Though it kinda depends on Merlyn flip.

You think T3 and Merlyn are connected?

Merlyn Post Eleven

Here’s where Alianna points out that GS putting me at E-1 is a lot bolder than them backing off me at E-2. and wonders if Drew thinks this damages his SvS theory…surprise! It doesn’t, because GS is some kind of scum mastermind focused on mindfucking Drew:

Spoiler: Drew

Doc, I don't recall if you ever commented on this, but how does bianco's E-1 vote on Merlyn (332) fit into your S/S theory?

This may sound a bit nutty, but I could see Bianco wanting to play some chess with me in particular.

That being said, is Merlyn still at E-1?

GS Post Six

I wasn’t, so he voted me.

Merlyn Post Twelve.

His next post is a reply to Jason is in response to Jason saying he find me town and wonders why there’s not as much focus on Sky:

Spoiler: Drew

I get if you think Sky is scum.

But why so defensive of Merlyn?

There is a world where they are scum together, right?

So now Sky and I might be partners. I am the only constant here, not GS.

Merlyn Post Thirteen

Lol.

I literally only feel Merlyn is the obv scum here.......then possibly Sky and BianMo.

Why not pair me up with Merlyn or Alianna? We have been very upfront about enjoying playing game with each other.

Drew thinks I am the only obv scum. GS is third in this list. Merlyn Post Fourteen.

But not for long! He has suddenly found a reason to vote Kitty, saying they’re ‘lining up lim’, and goes so far to say that:

Spoiler: Drew

VOTE: Kitty

Little over a day until deadline.

I feel better about this than Merlyn and Sky.

Not, I’ll compromise on Kitty. Drew has gone from me as the only obvious scum, then Sky, then GS, to feeling better about Kitty being the lim in mere posts.

I prefer Kitty, but would do a Sky elim.

Sky and Kitty are now ahead of me, the ‘obvious scum’.

But I’m still on his mind!

Spoiler: Drew

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I will say I do find it weird that everyone just moved away from Merlyn.

Not sure what to make of that.

Merlyn Post Fifteen

He reiterates to GS of all people:

Only one of us here is hesistant to vote Merlyn, and it isn't me.

Merlyn Post Sixteen

And that’s D1.

Anyone, tell me, after reading that, how is it possible that Vig!Drew shoots anyone but me? 16 Merlyn posts about how I’m scum to GS’s six. Damming posts about how it’s me first and not GS. There’s no way. He busted out here D2 and claimed without provocation, then wriggled a bit when questioned on why before saying he was just so excited he had to share. I think when things went sideways for GS Drew began to set up a plan to set someone else up as a potential partner for a D2 lim, and I was a good candidate. He can’t be vig and have shot GS, it goes against his whole game. VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Merlyn]

*Stands up and claps*

Bravo Merlyn, I will admit.....you are always on my mind lol.

But, KT flips town......I go back to you and BianMo overnight, between the both of you BianMo is going to be more of a headache to figure out, I choose to off them in hopes of best case I am correct and hit scum and see how it plays out with Merlyn.......

And now you are putting a LOT of effort to discredit everything about my life lol. I don't even have the effort to go through every detail(maybe later when I am drunker and on my laptop).

But counting how many times I mention how scummy a person is, especially with players such as Bianco and GMo, is not gonna help your case.

Sometimes you have to make sure your enemy has a bit of trust in you.

Willie Nelson, my friend, this is pretty much the only defense you can give- I made decisions overnight, so you couldn't see them. This is TOO MUCH EFFORT you've put in, I don't have that kind of effort and not that I can't defend against it.

But counting mention would have been a much smaller post. This is about progression of reads, and how yours don't match up to supposed actions.

[Merlyn]

Not to mention Merlyn could have saved her fingers and just voted me without the novela if she was gonna OMGUS.

Agreed, an OMGUS wouldn't need work, but reading over your posts to see if you were being inconsistent did.

[Merlyn]

Oh, interesting, how so?

You sound exactly like Jason in the newbie game.

You know, when he was scum.

[Merlyn]

Also, you played a game with me when I was very wild an all over the place.....as town.

So why does that make me scum now?

I haven't seen a completed scum game with you, are you very different and easy to tell apart?

[Merlyn]

PAGETOPPPPPPPP

[Merlyn]

Oh, interesting, how so?

You sound exactly like Jason in the newbie game.

You know, when he was scum.

We will talk post game about it

Am I allowed to use the dubious yellow M&M face here? lol

For reals, this just sounds like you don't have anything to back up your shade at me. I'm interested in what you'll post, because I've played with Jason where he's town and his game is awfully identical to his scum one. I bet I can counter this 'argument'.

[Merlyn]

I literally had a big post and I accidentally deleted it haha arggghhhh.

Basically, I knew I couldn't get a case on BianMo, so focused on Merlyn a bit. Strayed to KT, obviously a mistake, but after that flip felt confident that at the very least there was one scum between Merlyn/BianMo, and felt pretty good they were buddies(look how Gmo pushed merlyn early but backed off when the pressure got real, and quickly tried to discredit me.....the timing of that inparticular is very odd).

I would rather shoot the hydra, that is on issue, and the hydra involving a serial spammer as scum, Gmo(been a buddy with them) and someone who I have trouble reading(Bianco).

And here we are, and I wasn't joking about the OMGUS, literally uses all of her effort to make a case on me only once I vote her.

My only thing that is making me say hmm, is Alianna believing her so easily lol. You have seen my town game plenty, and you believed me before her post, seems odd that you just kinda buy into her case because she put in 'effort'.

That is the WORST. I started using google docs for that exact reason!

You knew you couldn't get a case on BianMO- why?

Please don't think it's an OMGUS, I have never OMGUSed in a game yet and you can go back and check. You got your vote in first, but I've been building my case on you for a while real time.

[Merlyn]

I am totally down to thunderdome with you Drew, just call me Tina. I'll even go first, as long as it's you after.

[Merlyn]

RIP Tina, you are ETERNAL

[Merlyn]

Can you explain how my case against you is blatant OMGUS?

[Merlyn]

Can you explain how my case against you is blatant OMGUS?

There was no votes on anyone(I believe, correct me if I am wrong). I then finally lay a vote on you after mostly discussions about the NK and vig shot.

Then 3 hours later you put in a whole lot of effort and then vote me.

How is it not?

And even it is true that you somehow took longer then 3 hours to construct that post, you saw an opportunity to lead a mis-elim on me since more people were doubting me than they were Sky, and I was probably the main person pushing for you as scum.

So either OMGUS with lots of effort, or simply just lots of effort to push a mis-elim through on the person scum reading you the most when the opportunity was there(also a form of OMGUS I guess lol).

But here is the thing Merlyn, you can't win.....even with my mis-elim you will be taken down.

But, I admire the fight in you.....I kind of am lacking it right now lol.

Man, I wish I was the scum mastermind you've painted me, I love the idea of being someone who gets a speech like this because of their evil ways. But I think this is more an effort to make me worry that I'm wrong about you, given our last game you know that I've stressed about stuff like that in the past.

There was no votes on anyone(I believe, correct me if I am wrong). I then finally lay a vote on you after mostly discussions about the NK and vig shot.

Well, T3 had voted Alianna. But let's talk more about the 'discussions about the NK and vig shot' you glossed over.

Good work to whoever made that shot though.

Explain your emoji, Doctor!

This is me thinking I must be misunderstanding bc it doesn't make any sense for you to have just up and claimed.

You confirm that you were claiming (with a nice little side shot at me to boot!), and that forces Sky to have to claim.

So why are we claiming roles now?

This is me point blank asking why you did that. I'm thinking I might be misunderstanding the game, maybe this didn't force Sky to claim, you're both just claiming bc that's just something people do in this game setup on D2 lol.

I don't think we are?

This is you somehow trying to convince me that you didn't claim. (!?)

So I'm like, better find out if it is weird that I'm pushing this or is it actually odd that you claimed.

Feeling dumb! But have you not in fact claimed a role? I can see why Sky claimed after you. But why did you come out and do it?

And you answer:

I did, and Sky did......but no one else should.

Honestly was excited I was right about Gmo, and with only one scum left felt like revealing I shot them didn't matter(yes I realize I could have been shooting blanks).

Okay, you're saying you messed up, but why didn't you say that from the beginning? Why wriggle around? And that's when I started to build my case on you. Before your vote.

[Merlyn]

Drew's 630 doesn't align with my memory of his iso but I was planning on checking that tomorrow.

Hi Drunk Sky! Did anything ever come of this?

[Merlyn]

And I explained that I didn't feel there was support for a BianMo wagon so was pushing Merlyn more, who I thought there was more support behind.

I shot BianMo instead of Merlyn because, if I was correct that they were buddies, it would be easier to sort Merlyn instead of a hydra involving someone who spams as scum(GMo), and another player who I don't read well(Bianco).

I mean I literally just gave that explanation a couple pages ago.

Actually you didn't explain this, I asked you to in 667 though. In 657 you say "I knew I couldn't get a case on BianoMo" [GS] and I asked you how you knew.

[Merlyn]

I think 178 is also +town for alianna

How so?

[Merlyn]

It's hard to do a list bc I just like, really, really think it's Drew. I feel like someone would have to roll up a sleeve and accidently reveal their I HEART SCUM tattoo to make me stop tunnelling Drew. My top townread is Sky- offering to be supersainted in D1 and the claim today make more sense as town.

[Merlyn]

uh haha no silly, it says "I HEART SCIM." like the milk

Sky that's worse! Skim milk is just objectively terrible. It's cloudy water.

[Merlyn]

Now that 1079 is over that's another reason I'm townreading Merlyn here; not a super fleshed out meta read but I feel like she's responded to pressure differently here

I should just take the town point but in all fairness I struggled to find my groove in Dividing Connor, I'm not unusually a low poster either alignment.

[Merlyn]

My biggest concern against eliminating Drew is that if he's town he may be able to shoot someone.

In particular if both of you agree to shoot the same target, that puts us in a pretty good spot. If that target doesn't die, that makes it very likely that one of the two of you is scum.

But if the target does die, doesn't that put us right back here again? Both saying they shot the same guy?

[Merlyn]

I wonder if that was a crumb and our mysterious third shooter is dead.

Hope you're feeling better!

That looks like a crumb to me- does vig resolve at night before a kill (could Jason have gotten a shot off before being NK'd?)

[Merlyn]

Yeah, but we gained a lim. Assuming no other shenanigans of course (which is maybe a foolish assumption, but I'm just brainstorming), since we're on evens right now.

I'm down for it if we have another strong choice for a lim, otherwise I'm sticking with Drew.

[Merlyn]

I wonder if massclaiming is actually a good idea here.

Has the horse not left the barn at this point?

[Merlyn]

I think it's just me and Smart who haven't claimed at this point, like should we not?

[Merlyn]

sounds fun, I'm in. Yes I'm a supersaint. Ready to die for my town!

[Merlyn]

Id rather Drew today, I'm fine being the sacrifice, seems fitting we die together lol

[Merlyn]

VOTE: Drew
Not much to say here, I think this is just the most likely option.

Just getting in your notifications.

Ugh, okay, but I'm counting on town to follow through if this doesn't end the game.

[Merlyn]

ooh, is there a link?

[Merlyn]

*attempts to perform T3-summoning ritual*

But we already killed the goat for the mod-summoning ritual Alianna

[Merlyn]

viewtopic.php?t=91048

It says I don't have authority to read that forum, sorry

[Merlyn]

*attempts to perform T3-summoning ritual*

But we already killed the goat for the mod-summoning ritual Alianna

We don't need a goat, we're sacrificing you!

Damn! On the same value add level as a goat!

LOL, Sky, I'm fresh out of goats, so I'll just go with Alianna's idea of how to get into the thread, thanks though

[Merlyn]

Hmmm....do we have a back up plan? Lim t3 if he doesn't engage?

[Merlyn]

Rules say I can make one bah post, so bah! Go town! You can do it!

[Merlyn]

i mean not *whatever* she wants

*puts down the explosives and backs away from Alianna's goat pen*

[Merlyn]

Rules say I can make one bah post, so bah! Go town! You can do it!

You can do whatever the fuck you want until the mod comes in.

Yes! I love anarchy! This thread just became a dank meme pit.

[Merlyn]

Geek Squad can I get some assistance?

Even years later I still have the badge they give you!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.knowyo ... luck-brian

[Merlyn]

Also, I knew I messed up claiming vig right away, luckily it didn't matter.

Merlyn, I think you owe me a beer lol

Big shout out to Smart for being....smart

GG everyone! Valiant effort by T3 and GS.

Drew, pull up to the bar and I'll us started. Once again we have played on the same side and once again I have tried to kill you. Man, I want us to be scum together so bad!