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[humaneatingmonkey]

if you're looking at my furtive associative, then i'd like to point you towards yesterday where i lead the furtive wagon end of day. if i was scum, and the remaining scum are bangle and me, that would have been suicide.

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before that i have been calling furtive town and there was no compelling reason for me, progression-wise if I'm trying to build a town character, to suddenly 180 and bus the replacement before he has even made any impression on the thread.

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the gamestate thereafter would have been 1 scum vs many many town and a mason team. and i would also be in the poe leading up to ELo. i also would have killed morning tweet, a hem townreader who i dearly miss.

these are bad scum decisions that i think I'm above.

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how so?

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yeah man, like how though. if you can articulate your thoughts i can engage with it.

it seems as if you don't think dragons is partnered with furtive because you think they're too partnered to be partnered?
and can you quantify how much lower the probability is? i won't be able to see the pov where i'm scum, but you can begin to tell me why it's less probable that std is scum than i am.

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really std

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the_worst you shouldn't be so convinced about std's case.

if you can read the thread, it's easy to refute each of it:

my belief that it is HEM is that they come in guns blazing on Roden but

kind of ignores when Greeting does a similar thing

. When the Roden wagon goes through, they lurk through d2 to avoid drawing suspicion and to try and keep out of the forefront of people's minds.

from today HEM was going on bob but switched to me when I went after them. as scum he had to because i'm threatening his wincon.

I think bob is possible too but i think the pattern of behavior is more likely to come from scum

(1) since DAY 1, I was on Greeting. Day 2, I parked my vote there the whole day.
(2) STD has been in my PoE since Day 2. This isn't news. As town, I have to do this because this is also my wincon.
(3) the last part isn't even a point

the_worst please climb out of your lazy POV. i'm disappointed.

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you are reading both bob and i as scummy but you should understand that this is also what both of us would have been doing as town, too.

frankly I'm kinda irked that you're finding std's weaksauce last stand as more convincing than both our efforts combined and this is sad.

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metaphorically speaking, i will slap and splash water on your face right now and shake the living hell out of your rigid body and slap your face some more if i can.

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I didn't even fucking lurk day 2. I was as active just not as active day 1.

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come on man, give me some spirit. you're breaking my heart. let's see some re-reads, deep isos... anything. come on.

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jesus, it is almost like we are starting over.

at any rate, already told the mod.

i am gone between 08/01 to be back 08/07

shea

[humaneatingmonkey]

it was really early in the game and so my goal is always to generate as much reactions and interactions as i can for later days. takutai being a non-presence was exactly why i voted him instead of going for MT, for example. takutai was obviously cruming something, but i didn't buy that the way he was doing it was necessarily how town would crumb. it felt more to me like scum trying to pretend like he's a town pr so he can continue to lurk and do nothing. i voted because i thought it would actively get a reaction from takutai and anyone else. it was really early. then i realized if he was actually town, then i would be dragging a poor town pr into a mudfight and it wouldn't be right. i instead resolved to deal with the slot some other day (and then something else happened but at the time, this was my intention)

mt's overdefensiveness was an observation i made but not necessarily an alignment indicative one. i thought it wouldn't be productive to engage mt over this because mt has already been posting and making those reactions and interactions that i was wanting to provoke from everyone else.

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you're high-energy, abrasive town who is only really causing problems for town so far

that sounds like something i can put in my sig, bud

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yes i can carry a team and that means a team. making our strategy centered around my ability to solo-scum and win the game is not carrying the team.

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i don't think those two are mutually exclusive. i don't think furtive approached this game phoning it in because he had you to carry. the opposite, i think it makes sense for furtive to be low-energy if he's comfortable with his team

500 & 520 is such a fucking weird convo for greeting & furtive to both phone in if klick/dragons is scum

it is mutually exclusive. if I'm scum I'm NOT in a good position right now, day 3, day 2, and even day 1. it wouldn't have been so comfortable.

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karmadog for now. im still reevaluating geraintm. im tempted to say bob is townier.

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im gonna say it. i think bob's gameplay is town. i think my final two is karmadog and bob and im more willing to elim gerain if std doesnt flip scum

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oh i meant to say my final two town. i dont think karmadog can be scum in this game

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im in mobile right now but you'll probably graze through my karmadog read in your deep reading. just to encourage you to keep going!

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mt is highkey a queen

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ugh

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you truly are the worst

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i can't believe you're making me die even though i'm obviously town.

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bro my day 1 was bad but I've hit scum two days in a row are you kidding me

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sure hem could be town here. but he could absolutely be scum.

so, null?

you say i "scumsided" like your slot didn't support Roden's elimination. i townsided when i hit scum two days in a row! my reads were basically gamestate - a gamestate where we hit two scum two days in a row! omfg

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stop defending yourself. we already know your rhetoric is good, i'm confirmed town and literally above going down the rabbit hole with you. make a better case if you want to survive today

how can i make a better case if i wont defend myself? duh

if the play is to eliminate me first and to eliminate std next, im not opposed to that. that's fine. we're still winning. i just wish we eliminated std first.

just annoying that i would still be considered top execution despite hitting scum twice in a row

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what how does it make sense

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i covered it previously

at the beginning of the day i thought both of you were of equal priority for elimination. after giving it some thought, bob's claim was more town than scum in that i think it's suicidal to play the way he did yesterday. he at least already knows there's three masons, and he would probably be disincentivized to claim a wifom role while he's in PoE. zero benefit to scum wincon, which is to survive until ELo.

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how about you, why are you coming up with inaccurate reasons to scumread me

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Elements I think it should be {std, gerain} but std > gerain.

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Spoiler: HEM on Greeting, Day 1

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

I'm not buying the walls of text at all, it is an easy way to get towncred for effort. A lot of players don't read them anyway. He said that they're mostly for him, but that's what a PT is for, not the main thread. A lot of his reads (1189) feel completely contentless, and even the ones which actually have content feel watered-down.

okay no one asked yet...but here we go, general thoughts on everyone.

Gera, its null, they havent done anything, the only thing that is different this game (I meta-ed them the last game) is that they havent complained as much about Day 1 sucking this game. the only thing to note is that for someone who doesnt like Day 1, they had a chance to end it by hammer Roden. IF Roden flips scum, Gera is suspect. if Roden flips town, Gera looks townish.

OD, it hurts me to say you are in my top 3 scum suspects. maybe it is play style, but I find myself making excuses FOR you. I dont like your interaction with Tweet. Leaning tweet/OD scum team. The only thing that is stopping my vote, is I DID suspect you last game and you were town. you are killing me with the "to be honest" posts. if you flip scum, I will never let a "to be honest" post slide again. you seem opportunistic. I want you to scum hunt, you seem like you are coasting on others.

Elements, it could be residue effects from the last game, but have been back and forth on you in the read. most of your jumps on wagons look bad, but you have had a couple where I thought "hmm, would scum do that?". going to put a pin in this for now. need to see some flips.

Greeting, ugh...null too. hops in, does a little dance party full of questions and light-thoughts...jumps out again. didnt hammer Roden (follow back up if there is a Roden flip). I need to see more from this slot.

Roden, ugh..I think a lot of info COULD come from this slip. But I think he is town...if he flips scum, I look bad, but....it is what it is. I wont be voting him today, will see if that end up killing me today. I hate the self vote. if I found a game where are scum he self voted, I would jump on this wagon, HEM homework?

Klick, null pile with EFN (Nips), more like Greeting, comes in...does the hokey pokey, jumps out. who knows.

That's like half of players in the game, and generally can be boiled down to one word - "null".

I suppose the rest of the reads do give some information about

curiouskarmadog

's stances in this game, but I simply disagree with most of them and have a feeling like they're not genuine.

So yeah, I can get behind this wagon.

im wondering why karmadog's other and stronger reads are conveniently left out of this "half sample", and I wonder if that could have been malicious.

i may have been pocketed but I don't know if I agree that ckd's posts are that much devoid of content. it saved me a lot of time having to ask him about his reads because I could already see the timeline of his progression.

He said that they're mostly for him, but that's what a PT is for, not the main thread.

Like this isn't even a real critique of his content. This is just personal style stuff.

I'm not buying the walls of text at all

I simply disagree with most of them and have a feeling like they're not genuine.

I would also like you to elaborate why you don't buy karmadog's posts at all. Is it a specific read and progression? I'm truly curious because I want you to be town.

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

I'm not buying the walls of text at all, it is an easy way to get towncred for effort.

annnnnd, here we go.

did you have the problem with the walls of text in this game we were in together?

viewtopic.php?t=90681

where I was town....and posted said walls when I had to catch up.

That's like half of players in the game, and generally can be boiled down to one word - "null".

is it scummy to have "half null". what are your reads on everyone? thats what I thought.

but a lie is a lie.

you DONT have a problem with my walls of text. it was a shitty reason to vote at best, you are scum...

VOTE: Greeting

if you can collect 5 people who will do it with me, I will vote immediately and let you hammer.

[humaneatingmonkey]

the worst, you're not gonna believe this, but you're absolutely wrong. dead wrong.

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why not dragons today

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oh so he's not scum now

the worst

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i really dont wish to fight this because the worst has already been entrenched in his case. like thats a lot of words. the depression from the sunk cost will be fucking wild. i expect the worst to be low morale tomorrow. karmadog wont show up until august 8 and i think town's momentum has absolutely been dogstomped. ill try and delay my elimination until karmadog shows up so at least the slot is productive through the night and the next day phase.

the worst, if you survive tonight, promise me to do another reread even if you already did. it seems your reread is incomplete and probably tunnelled to confirm that i am scum. look at gerain and std before you do bob. i dont know why you think std is unaligned but you gotta get your ass out of that. i caught you not even considering std scum when you said he isnt, so you are probably pocketed or will be very easy to pocket. PLEASE BE CAREFUL

karmadog, you're the deciding vote of ELo if scum didnt bring Elements or the worst (since hes performing suboptimally right now). if youre scum, kudos. if youre town, please make the right decision. i think bob has less scum equity than gerain so dont get confident like the worst here and fairly evaluate the game on equal chances.

i am claiming vt

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oh im hammered.

fucking annoying how im so called good but thats only tanked my town cred. people really seem to use it against me.

the worst. your ass. pull yourself out of it, mmkay hunny

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Elements I think it should be {std, gerain} but std > gerain.

do you not have a third in this group?

i am the third, but im not scum

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everyone's trying to survive. ironically, this is the least resistance i can give an elimination. i think i needed eliminating before ELo but not before STD.

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the only apology ill accept is a win

dont fucking sleep, town. wake up. WAKE UP. the game is rich in re-read. THINK IN LAYERS AND WINCON, NOT HOW SCARY SOMEONE IS.

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i think i needed eliminating before ELo but not before STD.

why not before StD?
who isn't going to push StD tomorrow?

bro you eliminated someome who pushed scum twice in a row, i do not want to underestimate how bad you guys will ne

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like super annoying how the worst makes this case for me. but not for std when it's absolutely possible to slide in that pov

you guys didnt because you felt confident. so do not listen to your instincts and feelings, your instincts and feelings failed you. just be as factual and probabilistic.

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std -> gerain

it's not flimsy you just didnt want to listen. i presented everything i can, you acknowledged them and went back to tunnelling on me and scammed yourself into thinking std cant ever be scum

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fucking win this or ill be duckeatingmonkey

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he's not scum, and you're dangerous.

i have a cute picture of you here fitting inside std's pocket

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just did, lovely monkey

HAH

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for the record, please evaluate and consider everyone who isnt a mason. like even karmadog. dont sheep my elim order, sheepy advice: absolutely dont tunnel and cool off when you're filled with emotions

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hmmp

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other words for bland and boring: OBVIOUS

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is he town?

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YES. there's a town case for karmadog, gerain, bob -- none for std.

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makes a lot of sense as someone who's trying to win the game.

bro if i was scum, i literally just lost the game. i wouldn't really play to reach this gamestate if i was scum.

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okay, so what's your towncase on dragons?

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makes a lot of sense as someone who's trying to win the game.

bro if i was scum, i literally just lost the game. i wouldn't really play to reach this gamestate if i was scum.

pretty low chance you were seeing this happening in f9 i'm ngl you've been arguing for your not being eliminated for ages

honestly though i think this is a bit, i'm just tryna jam with you for a bit like ~just in case~

it's real. i'm town. get over it.

i drove our gamestate. remember when bangle said my reads felt like declaring a gamestate? it's because i had a lot of influence in eliminating two scum.

there is no towncase on std. the towncase on gerain is betting on him being simple, but that's not really a good bet to make.

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you didnt cite any town-indicative points for him, my man. your whole thing against scumreading him was "WAIT, IT COULDNT BE THIS SIMPLE"

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sorry, to be clear, which post numbers have your std towncase. the ones you cited last page?

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i'll strike every things i see that aren't even town-indicative.

162 - i liked klick picking semantic fights about their daisy reads at clidd after clidd townread him.

not town-indicative. easy to do this more than you think.

328 - furtive says klick has "some towny stuff" which is.. like.. bad distancing

so? what if it is bad? not town-indicative.

500 - greeting asks furtive for reads on 4 players: self, el, klick, roden. in 520 - furtive asks "why those players?". in 597 greeting votes furtive for asking that. if... this includes the entire scumteam that feels like such a goofy way to fumble that conversation.

so what if they talked about 4 players? absolutely one of them could be scum, there's no reason not to include a scum name there. again, so what if it is goofy? it's not not indicative.

breaking up in case of shea

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639 - if klick is scum, he has the entire scumteam in his null reads (gerain/greeting/furtive/hem null)

so? so what if he did this? not town-indicative.

647 - furtive answers greeting's question, his read on klick is pretty jank (but all his reads are jank).

again, a lot of this is you spotting something that should be a cause of concern and scamming yourself that just because it's obvious, would mean it's ANTI-associative. but this is very associative my guy. stop this.

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what? they went hard. they padded their scum partner interaction with THREE MORE NAMES. SO BRAVE.

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my guy im reading all this and it confirms my idea that you have found yourself in opposite-ville. flip your reads and we will win.

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bro "nuance" didn't get us here. we eliminated two scum in a row because we went hardcore solve obvious mode. that's the game we're in. you eliminated monkey because you got four dimensional. AND HES TOWN. bro

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how did they go hard the conversation literally fizzles out

exactly bro it was a whole bunch of nothing. just to say they interacted.

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it's not nu-uhs. you thought the signs that make them look like associative and scum means they aren't scum because scum would be smarter. then you thought "who's smart" and tunneled on my slot. but in reality they have obvious associative and it happens. sometimes they mention partners even though there was no reason to just to do theater. that can happen, especially if the team is trying to lay low because scum wincon is being pushed by someone else (me). they won't need to do the hardcore theater because it's unnecessary attention. that's what happened.

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thought it will never happen again lmao

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I still think HEM needed to go

i knew the sunk cost will be immense my dude

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would've made yourself a lot harder to lim the closer to f3 we got

would have never went to f3 with dragons dead!

i think you're miscalibrated right now. maybe you've played too much with clever people. the reasons to scumread dragons became your reasons to townread him. it was a straightforward game and there should be a measure inside you to understand gamestate, and not just read individual players.

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don't feel all that sunk-costy, i feel pretty justified!

that's what it would feel!

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i do need to be flipped before f3 but not before std. we had momentum!

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when you laid down a novella with chapters on why I'm scum, that's when i knew i just had to hunker down and surrender because there was no getting through to you after that (even now you're tunneled on me)

if you were scum, town wouldn't have kept momentum!

bro but i wasn't scum. i think this is a game where there's a strong case for town!me but because i have a reputation of being "good" (i'm really not that good, i just like playing it up), i'm doomed to be always a miselim because i'm not good enough to have a reputation of being good.

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STD is such a subtle killer

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i mean worstie it happens to all of us, even happens to me so it's funny to see someone else make the same decisions that you would have and having an insight on why he makes those mistakes from the other side

it's just what happens when you play a deception/detection psychosocial game. we're gonna be humans

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metaphorically speaking, i will slap and splash water on your face right now and shake the living hell out of your rigid body and slap your face some more if i can.

i got a mod warning for this and id like to clarify that i do not wish to impose physical harm on any of the players especially the worst

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you cant bully someone into replacing out anymore, my rights have been taken away from me

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waiting for the pts

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ahahaha my scum game was so hyped in the mason thread, that's why worstie had to kill me first

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bro you were off at the final stretch there and you overcame that and voted scum against your instincts. you are a g.