Open 890 - C9++ - Postgame

[Aisa]

VOTE: camelCasedSnivy
leaves too cute

[Aisa]

UNVOTE: um whoever that was

VOTE: biancospino

how serious is this?

VOTE: yessiree
oh, you

tryhard

[Aisa]

UNVOTE: um whoever that was

VOTE: biancospino

how serious is this?

VOTE: yessiree
oh, you

tryhard

how serious is this?

Nooooo

oooo

oooooo

you've figured out how to trap me in an endless cycle! Someone helpp
VOTE: biancospino

[Aisa]

But to answer your question the vote was slightly serious

[Aisa]

Meh I'm not vibing with RC here

But I want to sheep Enchant after how he found scum!FL in the micro that just ended.

Enchant do I have permission to vote RC or should I stay on Kitty?

Tell me what your impression of Enchant's general read accuracy is

[Aisa]

Tell me what your impression of Enchant's general read accuracy is

tbh I dunno. I usually don't really pay that much attention

Tell me what your impression of Enchant's general read accuracy is

If I'm being 100% honest, I have no clue because I normally don't even pay attention as soon as I sort Enchant as town
However I just checked three of their completed town games (because you asked), in one of them Enchant didn't even have reads, in another the only person they ever voted (the repped in pretty late) was scum, and in the last one majority of people voted were scum.
So uh, I guess their reads are pretty good?

I wasn't asking you to go through all this effort! but neat that you did anyway. I was just curious why you decided to sheep Enchant on a whim like that. How serious was it (eugghh I said it) and do you have an actual unironic read on Kitty?

[Aisa]

KittyTacky claiming that Dragon and Drew are not paired in 115 (not sure how he arrived at this read tbh) seems somewhat in line with !town meta.

I don't think people are that good at balancing how soon they give reads as !town vs !scum.

What do you think the difference between Kitty town and scum metas is?
I have my own outrageous random guess I can share later btw

[Aisa]

Meh I'm not vibing with RC here

But I want to sheep Enchant after how he found scum!FL in the micro that just ended.

Enchant do I have permission to vote RC or should I stay on Kitty?

Tell me what your impression of Enchant's general read accuracy is

Aisa! Forgot you signed up for this game lol.

I will say Enchant is sneaky good when they want to be.

And I don't hate Dragon sheeping then in this manor, this is definitely something I would do as town.

Doc! I feel like we keep crossing paths for really brief periods of time

Re: Dragon sheeping Enchant, I don't understand:
- If there's anything to Enchant's vote beside "Kitty claimed jester and I didn't like that"
- What DragonEater "saw" as the reasoning behind Enchant's vote
- If Dragon is being serious

Do you have a take on any of these things?

[Aisa]

I wanted to post one of the emojis Enchant used (specifically the eyebrows raised one) and the board threw an SQL error
Clearly today is not the day

[Aisa]

VOTE: yessiree
Serious vote. I don't really like his pushes on either KittyTacky or RCEnigma.

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

I personally don't really have any well-developed reads yet. I know that with the way I play I'm likely to change my mind later so sometimes on page 10 it's just easier not to talk about how I think not_mafia is towny because he posted twice in a row (not a real read).

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

Not what I said. I said I didn’t find any of it town indicative.

echoing DE's sentiment

it seems like you're more interested in getting bogged down with "I said this, I didn't say that" arguments, than to have dialog that's more useful in helping to read you better

I don't like how in the first post yessiree says

implication

(which, well, implies it's not something that RCE said but an inference that yessiree is trying to draw), but when RCE tries to correct what he meant it becomes "now you're getting bogged down in meaningless arguments". I think corrections like this are fine?

@yessiree:

can you clarify if your scumread of Kitty is because he cannot justify his read on RCE or because he is posting in short bursts in general?

[Aisa]

lol thanks for the consult on emojis everyone <3

KittyTacky claiming that Dragon and Drew are not paired in 115 (not sure how he arrived at this read tbh) seems somewhat in line with !town meta.

I don't think people are that good at balancing how soon they give reads as !town vs !scum.

What do you think the difference between Kitty town and scum metas is?
I have my own outrageous random guess I can share later btw

@KKFC

I'm still interested in getting an answer to this

[Aisa]

srry for wall

VOTE: yessiree
Serious vote. I don't really like his pushes on either KittyTacky or RCEnigma.

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

I personally don't really have any well-developed reads yet. I know that with the way I play I'm likely to change my mind later so sometimes on page 10 it's just easier not to talk about how I think not_mafia is towny because he posted twice in a row (not a real read).

this wasn't a push so much as an attempt to sort RCE, out of respect for his scum game (he's a slippery weasel, ask Aureal ).
If i wanted to push him I would've cased him instead of trying to have a dialog, but i feel RCE isn't interested in having it - he is good at anticipating pushes on him and defusing it beforehand (fitting his scum meta)
this is also not real reason, explained here 219

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

Not what I said. I said I didn’t find any of it town indicative.

echoing DE's sentiment

it seems like you're more interested in getting bogged down with "I said this, I didn't say that" arguments, than to have dialog that's more useful in helping to read you better

I don't like how in the first post yessiree says

implication

(which, well, implies it's not something that RCE said but an inference that yessiree is trying to draw), but when RCE tries to correct what he meant it becomes "now you're getting bogged down in meaningless arguments". I think corrections like this are fine?

it should be more self explanatory given the full context

Spoiler:

Gth the only reads I have right now are aureal prob town enchant prob town.

How do u have a read on Aureal and not on a slot with way more content

Well you’re assuming all content can generate a read. Which isn’t the case.

Aureal slamming the policy vote seemed townie to me and no one else did a townie thing. Enchant is townie for the emoji thing and a byproduct of celebs posting but emojis can only take him so far so that’s more of a quicksand read.

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

i would buy that if it was like page 2 or 3, even then i still disagree with that assessment

i dont like ur implication that people posted nothing but fluff for the past 8 pages

Not what I said. I said I didn’t find any of it town indicative.

i probe him to see if his aureal and him only having 2 probtowns reads at that point was authentic or fabricated out of necessity for getting out of a jam
he responds that not all content can generate a read, but later changes this to say he didn't find any content town indicative. I felt he was using not finding anything town indicative as a justification to not having any reads
his explanation about how Aureal could've done this or that was all conjecture and i felt both replies were engineered to lead to nowhere (which, again fits his scum meta)

Ok fine, I don't really know if RCE is scum based off those posts, but rereading the context you provided, your posting is more coherent than I thought yesterday
UNVOTE: yessiree

I think Aureal and Enchant are completely fine as first townreads but now I've had the seed of doubt planted in me, it would actually be nice to see RCE elaborate on his reads a bit, or work on developing them if he can't elaborate yet

RCE can you tell me more about what you think of Dragon?

@yessiree:

can you clarify if your scumread of Kitty is because he cannot justify his read on RCE or because he is posting in short bursts in general?

both kitty and RCE were both individually scummy players, and i was tryna see if i could draw some sort of associative between the 2, i dont plan on using this right way but it'll be useful later on
the kitty read i already explained in more details in our back and forth, i dont feel like regurgitating it again. Is there anything u don't agree with? or you have reasons to townread him?

I understand what you said about Kitty posting in short bursts without saying much and that you think this is scum indicative.

I was a bit worried that you seemed to single out his read on RCE a bit. When he replied with "because vibes" you went a bit "You were unable to tell me more about your read on RCE but you have thoughts on other players? That's scummy." It definitely makes me feel better to see there was a specific reason you were interested in his read on RCE

About Kitty in general, I need to check how he has tended to word his reads in his previous games. I think he's coming across a bit different from his previous towngames but it could just be a memory issue.
I don't agree with your reasons to scumread him, sorry. He's always kinda lurky and sometimes doesn't say much about his reads / doesn't justify his reads well. I also think he's definitely aware of the peculiarities of his playstyle, so I don't find him bringing that up especially scummy.

[Aisa]

I checked out some Kitty meta, he could go either way.
Interestingly he talked about his metaq in similar terms in this gam, where he was scum:
viewtopic.php?p=13947699&f=2&t=91698&us ... #p13947699

So if I had to pick maybe I'd say he's scum this game

[Aisa]

...I grabbed the wrong link. hold on

[Aisa]

This is the correct link
viewtopic.php?sid=&f=2&t=91492&user_select%5B%5D=35404
CTRL+F "playstyle"

[Aisa]

lol thanks for the consult on emojis everyone <3

KittyTacky claiming that Dragon and Drew are not paired in 115 (not sure how he arrived at this read tbh) seems somewhat in line with !town meta.

I don't think people are that good at balancing how soon they give reads as !town vs !scum.

What do you think the difference between Kitty town and scum metas is?
I have my own outrageous random guess I can share later btw

@KKFC

I'm still interested in getting an answer to this

Sorry, missed this.

First, I don't know Kitty's scum meta at all. I just personally find his entrance to the game to be really close to his entrance in a game where I played with him and he was town. I'm operating with a really small sample size, but as I mentioned, I think these are things (to be specific, the tone and style of the entrance and the willingness to make super early reads and decisions) that are noticeable enough for me to put weight into them even with a single game to compare to.

Thanks!

I think my main message was that I'm not sure that's actually town indicative for him, he could be TMI'ing the read

My outrageous random guess was something like "maybe Kitty just posts less as town" (because he feels less pressure to be seen as productive) but that probably not true lol

[Aisa]

IDK I feel RC's push on me is fabricated.

I was just scum with RC(until he couldn't stand being scum with me and ghosted me lol). And I don't think I see that RC here, at least not feeling it in my gut.

I have been wanting to iso him though, should be more active going forward.....busy last few days.

Can you elaborate a bit? What do you think is different or why do you have this gut feeling?

I checked out some Kitty meta, he could go either way.
Interestingly he talked about his metaq in similar terms in this gam, where he was scum:
viewtopic.php?p=13947699&f=2&t=91698&us ... #p13947699

So if I had to pick maybe I'd say he's scum this game

I am honest about my meta as both alignments. If you dig deeper you can find it.

Can you maybe link a game where you've talked about your meta as town? Seems like it would just take less time than for me to look for it

...I grabbed the wrong link. hold on

Yeah I found it real funny because you modded that game and should've known he was targeted by a Weak Friendly Neighbor

Ngl it sounds like you've probably read that game more closely than I have, I was doing some pretty aggressive skimming sometimes

[Aisa]

I think it's pretty amazing that RC thinks he has a town read from a couple of Day 1 posts that probably weren't very serious.

I get pretty strong town reads from Aisa, Drew, and yessiree. I am also tending towards town reads from Kitty, KatyKimFanClub, and Enchant.

SNYBED doesn't seem to be doing a very good job of actually being a block. In one post Snivy admonishes DragonEater for changing his vote to leave a wagon, and then later on changes his vote shortly after DragonEater goes back on it. I'd say there's possibly more than 1 scum in the block.

Can you tell me about your Drew town read?
VOTE: Celebloki

[Aisa]

I think it's pretty amazing that RC thinks he has a town read from a couple of Day 1 posts that probably weren't very serious.

I get pretty strong town reads from Aisa, Drew, and yessiree. I am also tending towards town reads from Kitty, KatyKimFanClub, and Enchant.

SNYBED doesn't seem to be doing a very good job of actually being a block. In one post Snivy admonishes DragonEater for changing his vote to leave a wagon, and then later on changes his vote shortly after DragonEater goes back on it. I'd say there's possibly more than 1 scum in the block.

Can you tell me about your Drew town read?
VOTE: Celebloki

At the time I made that post, in the Dragon vs. Drew slip exchange I just got town vibes from him. His posts since then have been pretty null and I wouldn't call my town read on him "solid" anymore, but I am still leaning that way.

Ok! Can you describe in a bit more detail why that exchange gave you town vibes?

[Aisa]

lol thanks for the consult on emojis everyone <3

KittyTacky claiming that Dragon and Drew are not paired in 115 (not sure how he arrived at this read tbh) seems somewhat in line with !town meta.

I don't think people are that good at balancing how soon they give reads as !town vs !scum.

What do you think the difference between Kitty town and scum metas is?
I have my own outrageous random guess I can share later btw

@KKFC

I'm still interested in getting an answer to this

Sorry, missed this.

First, I don't know Kitty's scum meta at all. I just personally find his entrance to the game to be really close to his entrance in a game where I played with him and he was town. I'm operating with a really small sample size, but as I mentioned, I think these are things (to be specific, the tone and style of the entrance and the willingness to make super early reads and decisions) that are noticeable enough for me to put weight into them even with a single game to compare to.

Thanks!

I think my main message was that I'm not sure that's actually town indicative for him, he could be TMI'ing the read

My outrageous random guess was something like "maybe Kitty just posts less as town" (because he feels less pressure to be seen as productive) but that probably not true lol

Have you gone back to that interaction between dragon and drew?

I didn't read that exchange super closely at the time, I've gone back and skimmed it now

Yeah I guess it is interesting and it's kind of a good idea that maybe Drew and Dragon they aren't paired

I think I'm still much less certain it has to mean Kitty is town

Is that what you were asking?

[Aisa]

I think it's pretty amazing that RC thinks he has a town read from a couple of Day 1 posts that probably weren't very serious.

I get pretty strong town reads from Aisa, Drew, and yessiree. I am also tending towards town reads from Kitty, KatyKimFanClub, and Enchant.

SNYBED doesn't seem to be doing a very good job of actually being a block. In one post Snivy admonishes DragonEater for changing his vote to leave a wagon, and then later on changes his vote shortly after DragonEater goes back on it. I'd say there's possibly more than 1 scum in the block.

Can you tell me about your Drew town read?
VOTE: Celebloki

At the time I made that post, in the Dragon vs. Drew slip exchange I just got town vibes from him. His posts since then have been pretty null and I wouldn't call my town read on him "solid" anymore, but I am still leaning that way.

Ok! Can you describe in a bit more detail why that exchange gave you town vibes?

Do really think that I am scum? Trying to figure out your endgame here.....

Or is this about cele?

The questions to Celeblokki are about Celeblokki, I'm worried their read on you is fake.

I do also have my eyes on you and suspect you slightly, but I forgot your interaction existed and I don't know if that affects my read yet

Thanks for the quotes Kitty, I'll take a look at them later!

[Aisa]

Your interaction with Dragon, that is

[Aisa]

Do really think that I am scum? Trying to figure out your endgame here.....

Or is this about cele?

Do you think I should already be townreading you?

[Aisa]

I'm good at tone reading Drew, actually I'm bit of an expert (not to toot my own horn ) Drew is always cheeky but there are subtle differences between his town cheekyness and scum cheekyness. It's hard to categorize exactly but as town I'd say he is more solve-y and in the moment, and as scum he's more agenda-y and pocket-y

his plays here feel more like the latter, and it's also weird how he kept trying to assert RC is town for jokester reasons

This speaks so much to the deepest darkest recesses of my soul, except the part where I have any proof I'm good at tonereading Drew
(Translation for those who don't speak Aisa, I'm also tonereading Drew as possibly scum)

I also think I'm still missing a reply to this:

IDK I feel RC's push on me is fabricated.

I was just scum with RC(until he couldn't stand being scum with me and ghosted me lol). And I don't think I see that RC here, at least not feeling it in my gut.

I have been wanting to iso him though, should be more active going forward.....busy last few days.

Can you elaborate a bit? What do you think is different or why do you have this gut feeling?

P-edit: well hi lol

[Aisa]

I think it's pretty amazing that RC thinks he has a town read from a couple of Day 1 posts that probably weren't very serious.

I get pretty strong town reads from Aisa, Drew, and yessiree. I am also tending towards town reads from Kitty, KatyKimFanClub, and Enchant.

SNYBED doesn't seem to be doing a very good job of actually being a block. In one post Snivy admonishes DragonEater for changing his vote to leave a wagon, and then later on changes his vote shortly after DragonEater goes back on it. I'd say there's possibly more than 1 scum in the block.

Can you tell me about your Drew town read?
VOTE: Celebloki

Can you explain what prompted this vote?

I thought Celeb's reads were suspicious, I thought I might as well put some pressure on it while I was asking the question

Actually, looking at that post again, I'm questioning if the 3 "pretty strong town reads" and the 3 "tending towards town reads" are more town behaviour or scum behaviour.

I'm tempted to say town behaviour right now, what do people think? I feel like as scum I'm always fighting to fabricate scumreads, not let townies gain too much influence or find each other, and other typical scumbutt activities
and here he is, townbinning half the game without a care in the world

[Aisa]

Hi *waves*

You didn't ask about Yess lol, but I don't get how they can say they are an expert at reading me. By my counts we have played two games together, I was scum in one and town the other(yess was the opposite alignment both times). And they were way less engaged when I was town(even though we shared a hood). If anything I should be the expert at reading him since I called him scum that game basically right off the bat(but I am not that arrogant lol).

As far as RC, the aforementioned scum game RC was my buddy. Like I said it is gut, but they seem less calculated here as in the scum game. It isn't a a solid read since I have had trouble correctly reading him in the past, but was just my first instinct to say they are town here. I also don't like when people pile on someone super early in a game, especially for a reason I didn't see.

Also I will stand by my belief that no way Alianna let's RC be scum in a game modded by here lol.

Pre Edit: Ya but they also could just be setting up some pocketing. Especially you just said you, and many others, have trouble making a fake scum read seem legit.

Point taken about how Yess hasn't played with you that much, I don't know how much it's going to influence my thinking yet

Oh sweet, re: RC. FWIW I have never played with him before but I have to say I'm impressed with the quality of his scum game if he's scum here. He's like, super self-assured whenever anyone is questioning him which is always fun to see. But he can probably still fake that as scum? idk

Yeah Celeb could have set up that post as scum. Scum can set up any post they want, but I'm making a judgment that this is <rand likely to be a scum post

[Aisa]

This isn't the last you hear from me Drew but woahh! That was a kinda towny post

[Aisa]

I am going to very tentatively propose a collaboration. Where do you think I should put my vote?

[Aisa]

But how about you join me on some OMGUS towards yess?

VOTE: yess

Last I checked you were TRing him?

VOTE: Doctor Drew

VOTE: Doctor Drew

whats up with these

can someone translate

Something about a shrug

Drew (glasses) and Kitty (kitty) are ok (thumbs up) to be eliminated (axe)

[Aisa]

Three days to deadline, I'm struggling to decide who I want to eliminate.

In my ideal world I'd come into the thread with two nice, developed, competing wagons to pick from, supported by nice cases that someone else has made for me.

While currently I have thinnish reads on most people and I feel like there haven't been a lot of serious pushes

I'm gonna go and try to figure out how I can feel better about picking an elimination

[Aisa]

Woah, the whole threat of nuclear war hanging over my head?

Maybe still Celebloki (hi Celebloki btw. Hope you're finding getting used to things around here ok and sorry you're kinda having to do extra reading on people if you're town?? What's making it hard to get reads from this game alone?)

I think yessiree is town sorry I'm not sheeping that. Damn, I knew this collaboration would fall apart as soon as I proposed it... then again you're the one putting a nuke to my head!!

[Aisa]

My hero play would be Aureal, something seems off from her recent posts.

More than anything I feel like there's a lack of content!
We can hero wagon her if you want, I'd feel bad about it but I can't think of a slot I wouldn't feel bad about voting lol
VOTE: Aureal

[Aisa]

I think the biggest problem for me has been how much everyone has been talking about everyone elses meta in this game:

"I played X games with Richard_Baggs recently and he was blank and I totally read him as smurfy here"

" clever_name always does this as town"

etc.

I feel like I have to go read everyone's games now so I can understand all the meta reads lol. I feel like when I used to play meta wasn't talked about as much.

Yeah, meta is all the rage these days! I can definitely see that being annoying
What about the non-meta arguments people are making? e.g. just off the top of my head I remember this post which doesn't make any meta arguments. Have you had any success getting reads from posts such as that one?

[Aisa]

My hero play would be Aureal, something seems off from her recent posts.

More than anything I feel like there's a lack of content!
We can hero wagon her if you want, I'd feel bad about it but I can't think of a slot I wouldn't feel bad about voting lol
VOTE: Aureal

I keep saying nuke as as an homage to the Defcon game that just ended.

In that game I was scum and said that Firebringer(who was town) could control who I nuke. They chose T3 who was my scum buddy, nuked that sumbitch without thinking of it.

Almost rode that town cred to victory.

I say that because you seem to easily swayed to vote Aureal just based of a feeling I have.

How many days to deadline do we have?

I had the thought that Aureal hadn't been doing much before you mentioned her and I swapped over because two votes on a wagon is better than one

I proposed the "collaboration" yesterday partly because I figured it could be a fun and slightly different than usual way to engage with you (and I think it's been helpful so far for reading you! I feel like your approach has been town). I also mentioned it because I already had the fact the deadline was nearing on my mind, and that I didn't have any *great* ideas for wagons so was hoping someone could provide some inspiration

I'm gonna sleepy sleep now so will reply to anything else tomorrow

[Aisa]

To go full FL for a second.

Approaching this game in my head. I know that you know as scum I approached you both times as a mislim option. But also that you were keen on my scum play both times. So if I played like you were shining town from the jump and you were town you would be suspicious of it. Because I’d 100% flip the script as scum.

I considered scum you would play into it, because as scum you would recognize I was angling. So here we are.

Also maybe you weren’t playing in this mind game with me and I fabricated it all myself but I’d like to think we had this back and forth without really saying it.

...Uncanny.
I can even imagine FL and RCE's avatars slowly merging into each other. Imagine RCE's glitchy gif suddenly resolving into Flavor Leaf's gif...

[Aisa]

Drew, would you consider voting for RCE? Dragon, would you consider voting for Aureal? I'm desperate for a wagon that isn't Drew here

why not add on to the pressure?

I have a weird feeling about Drew's slot, like a lot of things he does (including voting Yess and defending RC) feel really weird, and even though I kinda wanna call it scummy I also kinda don't? Like I won't be really surprised if Drew flipped scum but if he flipped town I would be like "shit I should've known something was off"

That's the kind of feeling that I have, so I rather vote for someone who I feel I won't have that feeling with

This is where I was 48 hours ago. I'm at a more terminal stage now, Drew is my top townread

[Aisa]

@Dragon
I don't have a massive case on Aureal, but she's not Drew and I've talked myself into Drew being town. Here's an example of a drew post I find towny:

Spoiler:

Hi *waves*

You didn't ask about Yess lol, but I don't get how they can say they are an expert at reading me. By my counts we have played two games together, I was scum in one and town the other(yess was the opposite alignment both times). And they were way less engaged when I was town(even though we shared a hood). If anything I should be the expert at reading him since I called him scum that game basically right off the bat(but I am not that arrogant lol).

As far as RC, the aforementioned scum game RC was my buddy. Like I said it is gut, but they seem less calculated here as in the scum game. It isn't a a solid read since I have had trouble correctly reading him in the past, but was just my first instinct to say they are town here. I also don't like when people pile on someone super early in a game, especially for a reason I didn't see.

Also I will stand by my belief that no way Alianna let's RC be scum in a game modded by here lol.

Pre Edit: Ya but they also could just be setting up some pocketing. Especially you just said you, and many others, have trouble making a fake scum read seem legit.

This pos just comes off as really earnest to me. There are also some specific details that I like / seem slightly more likely to come from a town perspective? E.g. the "If anything I should be good at reading yess (but I'm not that arrogant lol)"

As for Aureal, I haven't really seen her do much. It's also that when she does take a position it's often a pretty softball position - for example these posts:

Spoiler:

Are we

still

talking about Kitty's easy read of people not being partnered? Do people actually think he won't do that as town because he sure does.

Agenda'd opinion: Drew and Dragon are definitely scum together because that first read of people not being paired was exactly the scum pair

I kinda want to vote Drew. But that would mean moving my vote off RCE and that would make me sad.

I think isos like hers can sometimes come from scum who is not feeling very motivated to post

[Aisa]

I am aware the deadline is quite near (24 hours) and the wagons are still a bit scattered. I don't really have space to decide what to do or if I need to move my vote right now, but I'll be around tomorrow and make decisions then

[Aisa]

Anyone else around and want to try to figure out who we're eliminating today with me?

[Aisa]

What makes you think that's an accurate gamestate read? I find it really hard to tell what the gamestate is while the day is still ongoing

[Aisa]

Oh I see wait I didn't express myself clearly

You're making the following read: "scum is probably among people who are lurking tried to slow the game down".

My point is: maybe they're not? I've also seen games where town is totally disengaged and scum is among the players who are in control of the narrative.

The two possibilities here are:
A. there is more scum among the lurkers
B. there is more scum among the active posters

My experience in games so far has been that I'm not good at reliably distinguishing gamestates A and B
unless I already have independendent townreads on, say, the active posters, but in this case knowing that B is true doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know
or unless we get a flip

something something fog of war or can't see the forest while you're in it or something

I'm not saying it's impossible for other people to make accurate gamestate reads so I was asking you in case you had any good ideas

[Aisa]

Why choose bianco? Why not? I didn't want to vote anyone else who had any votes, they're townleans and myself. You gave me the perfect opportunity to pack up my 'gonna votepark RCE for lulz' gag and go with something even funnier.

On that note, why has Aisa apparently chosen me? Apparently because there were votes there and she really didn't want Drew. I'm finding it rather sus actually, now that she's come back and is still trying to push me even though I don't feel like her initial reasoning holds anymore. Saying I hadn't really been doing much was fair enough a few days back but I think I've been much more engaged the last couple of days so it feels like an argument she came up with earlier and doesn't want to reassess to show up now and say that.

Anyway, hi hi

The way I see it, I agree you've been more active relatively speaking in the past couple days, but you've gone from a baseline of only posting banter to occasionally posting a couple reads of top of the banter
You're also voting a slot (bianco) that I think vibes town, so that shows we're viewing the game somewhat differently

I'm open to wagoning other slots but it's also not necessarily helpful at this point if I go off and vote Not_Mafia on my own, my focus is on finding a slot that has an ok chance of flipping scum and also has a chance of going through

If you're around can later could you tell me a bit more about why you think bianco is suspicious?

[Aisa]

Somewhere in the range of 4-8 depending on how engaged I am and how much time I have. I'm never a hyper hyper poster but when I get closer to the 8 end I can get a bit wall-y

[Aisa]

Currently the top wagons are Aureal (3 votes), Drew (2 votes), and bianco (2 votes). I think among these I'm happy where I am now

I do also think KKFC is sus so I could go there

I could also do RCE, it's more of a nullish slot because I have no idea where to start with reading him

[Aisa]

oh yeah i see what you mean now

i dont see we're in a scenario where scums are among the more active posters because if we just look up the top posters by postcount -
de70 is pretty transparently town
i know im town
drew and RCE are town by virtue of being top contending wagons. I'm discounting the possibility of them being scum to defend themselves, i just think it's more likely they are town here
then the next tier with cSS and Aisa i feel is already venturing into the "slower" pace posters

Ok yeah, tbf I agree with most of those reads

[Aisa]

Bruuhhh (plural)

[Aisa]

>_> Drew's latest posts look pretty bad, I'm fine with flipping this actually
VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Aisa]

I'm going to be asleep in 2-3 hours btw and I would feel a lot better if I saw some kind of assurance that we're going to get a lim

So we are limming a lurker at deadline?

If they flip town there are definitely some people who need to be power limmed tomorrow

Why only if KKFC were to flip town? Which of the slots who voted for KKFC would need to be powerlimmed?

So we are limming a lurker at deadline?

If they flip town there are definitely some people who need to be power limmed tomorrow

can we go back to this guy please?

and to top it all off he got 666

VOTE: Doctor Dre

First off, Doctor Dre is a fake ass studio gangster. You are just trying to insult me aren't you lol.

Second, you haven't responded to a post from yesterday where I asked you a specific and direct question.

Third, I am always adamant against not limming lurkers, especially at the end of the day when their are other viable wagons.

Fourth, if I were scum with KKFC, I have no issue with letting them die, and no issue with bussing a buddy. Look up my scum games.

Fifth, you should probably the head of the table of people who should be power limmed if this flips town.

2. What does that have to do with the matter at hand, which is Snivy voting for you?
3. Do tell what you think the other viable wagons are lol, I don't see any

[Aisa]

Why only if KKFC were to flip town? Which of the slots who voted for KKFC would need to be powerlimmed?

I think I just might just have caught a nice big headache (or maybe a fever? But I just finished being sick two days ago. Not fair.) but even I realize why only if KKFC is town

Drew obviously doesn't think it's scum bussing, he thinks it's scum piling on a townie.

I realise that's the gist of his argument if he's town
...yeah ok maybe that part matters less to me than the fact he's so suspicious of the KKFC wagon in the first place. I just think that that's a kinda scummy take to have at this point in the day, especially combined with his later post, especially especially the "there are other viable wagons". I personally don't see the other viable wagons

We're literal hours from deadline. I think it's a fairly standard idea that when you're literal hours from deadline you take the wagons you get because the priority is to get an elimination at all, so I think it's a bit strange he's talking about limming a lurker on day 1 as if it were this big sin - imo it really isn't

[Aisa]

Would you consider Aureal or Snivy lurkers

[Aisa]

I think my decision is made tbh and there isn't much drew can say to change my mind at this point (he's still welcome to try). The real question is, will there be 3 other votes for him

[Aisa]

But I take back what I said that you understand my town game lol.

I mean that does seem fair if I'm wrong
...No pressure huh :')

[Aisa]

Ok serious talk
Drew, if you see this I think it's in your own self-interest to vote KKFC especially if you're town
Aureal, what do you think scum Drew sounds like?

p-edit oh

[Aisa]

I'll hang around for a bit we'll see if anyone else shows up

[Aisa]

you can't sheep yourselves, ya silly geese

Lies! You're speaking nothing but pure unadulterated lies.
Look... I just found

proof

that you're allowed to sheep yourself!~

KJ and... flea? are townreading him. that's two players who could be mafia, and we're sheeping that. I'd rather sheep myself.

(this is just an old post that I particularly liked and you reminded me of, there's no deeper point)

[Aisa]

VOTE: DragonEater70
I'm not convinced this flips scum, but I do actually have some suspicion and I'd like to start looking from here today.

I think his posting yesterday looks kind of... reactive, for lack of a better word? His posting yesterday feels stuck in catch-up mode, quoting a bunch of posts and reacting to them briefly. I know he's mentioned RL stuff going on, which I'm sure has affected his posting as either alignment, but I do still have an unshakeable feeling that something more than just busyness may be going on. So um yeah I'm here to talk about it!

I'm not really sure which posts to quote since I'm more worried about the totality of his ISO than any specific post. I don't think he's done much so far that's outside of his scumrange*
*I don't actually think I've ever seen a Dragon scumgame so I'm going off what his scumrange looks like in my imagination

One specific thing I think may a bit suspicious and I'd like some clarity on is his trajectory on RCE yesterday:

Spoiler:

Meh I'm not vibing with RC here

But I want to sheep Enchant after how he found scum!FL in the micro that just ended.

Enchant do I have permission to vote RC or should I stay on Kitty?

VOTE: RC

RC I don't see you voting either me or Drew

Is it cause you are too busy bussing Kitty?

officially proposing a townbloc alliance

current members:
1. DragonEater70
2. camelCasedSnivy
3. biancospino
4. yessiree
10. Not_Mafia
12. Enchant

the bloc will be called SNYBED

I am not 100% sold on the block itself but I'm sold on the name so I'm willing to be part of it for now.

Uhm. Whiplash much? Am I stupid or are those two contradictory?

I guess you are stupid (sorry). Translation:
In first quoted post, Enchant is asking "do you think Dragon and Drew are both scum?" This is in response to RC, who claimed I was theatering with the Doc.
In the second post, Enchant is giving a read (I admit I didn't fully understand if is better or worse than ).

UNVOTE: Not_Mafia

you win today pal

Are you gonna vote outed scum RC or Kitty or are you just gonna be happy with not voting?

People of the SNYBED, will you vote RC with me?

Why RCE over Kitty?

Why Kitty over RCE?

I just feel like RCE is just radiating scumvibes and while Kitty doesn't look really good either, I just don't get the same level of scumvibes?

Honestly idk I guess I could just sheep if that's what you all want.

Well bloki, if you join me I'll gladly switch back to RCE.

VOTE: RC
Oh yeah!

Well, RC does admit that Enchant is good at reading them, and Enchant did read RC as suspicious in Enchant's emote scum-o-meter. So RC is indirectly claiming that they are at least suspicious. I am more OK with an RC wagon.

VOTE: RCEnigma

Also also what a gross post.

Ugh i don't even know what you are trying to say here

Is there something substantial you want to say about the game? Do you have any reads? Opinions about the people voting you?

Anyway I'm not finding anything townie about RC's latest posts, so back goes my vote

VOTE: RCEnigma

Oh I missed the entire dialog between yess and aisa

Yess is town then, and I do agree about RC

Ok I did read RC's post and frankly while they do sound logical/good posts, they kind of sound like the scum variant of logical if that makes sense.

I just find it worrying that RC is saying, for instance, that discussing the wagon would be good but then refuses (if my interpretation is correct) to give reads on the people that are on the wagon.

Okay but like

do you think RCE is townie?

I don't think he's townie at all. Like I don't get your resistance to voting him.

Like Snivy, if RCE is null why do you care about him being voted? What makes you think it's a bad wagon / scum motivated?

what do you think is so scummy about him?

His tone + insistence not to provide reads.

And also just vibes which is different from tone.

IDK I feel RC's push on me is fabricated.

Cause it's a very surface level push presented as being deep.

4 votes

And RC is at 1 vote

Tough dilemma

I'll go with my heart

VOTE: RC

You actually think I would earnestly suggest that the Mod would purposely make sure RC isn't scum? I really hope you are joking and I just don't get it. That is crazy if you thought I was being serious. You are reading some of my posts in a way that, and I will say it again, boggles my mind. Honestly, if you are being earnest, I am somewhat insulted you would say I think Alianna, or any other mod for that matter, would do that.

And yes, looking for easy lims.......everyone has been talking about how they are just waiting for a Cele or Enchant wagon to start, right?

Like I thought it was a joke but it feels weird that you are repeating that joke like, 3? 4? times

What am I supposed to make of it?

It just feels like a weird way to defend RC

(these are not all the posts he has related to RC, just some of the ones I thought were most relevant)

There's... quite little in the way of concrete accusations here? I think the most concrete account of his suspicions is 273, which to be fair is a good thought
But @DE it would still be good to hear your case on RCE given that you spent most of yesterday kinda shading him but without giving details

I see you in my preview, by the way

[Aisa]

I think his posting yesterday looks kind of... reactive, for lack of a better word? His posting yesterday feels stuck in catch-up mode, quoting a bunch of posts and reacting to them briefly. I know he's mentioned RL stuff going on, which I'm sure has affected his posting as either alignment, but I do still have an unshakeable feeling that something more than just busyness may be going on. So um yeah I'm here to talk about it!

*cries quietly in corner*

*awkwardly slides over*
There, there... uhm... witch? There's... uhm... there's no need to be upset. What's wrong...?

If this is about my read on you you'll be happy to hear I changed my mind

[Aisa]

I had a notes PT for this game, which is now public:
viewtopic.php?t=91799

[Aisa]

Because I like the sound of my own voice too much lol

[Aisa]

Thanks for modding Alianna. Good game everyone!

Well as an aside, this was a lot of fun. I have been away from MS for nearly 10 years and left on sort of a sour note when I did. I recently was thinking about mafia and sort of on a whim /in'ed to this and another game DE is modding. I'm glad I did. Was having so much fun that I joined a third. unfortunately this one ended and I've died in the others so now I am all out of mafia again. Any feedback on m gameplay would be appreciated. I seem to come off scummy in any game I play lol. I struggle to post and constantly doubt what and how I've written my posts. The decision paralysis tends to keep my post count low in games.

You were lovely to play with. Getting scumread is not necessarily an indicator that you're playing badly - sometimes it's just that the rest of the town hasn't yet caught onto how brilliant you are

I also think it's really common for newer or returning players to the site to get scumread just because they post in way that are slightly less "standard". Again this doesn't necessarily mean you're doing anything wrong - just calmly re-explain whatever you were thinking to anyone who doubts you and you'll be fine!

[Aisa]

I was at a chess tournament

Also woahh that's so cool, how did the tournament go?

[Aisa]

She did it!

Again, limming a lurker on D1 is always a bad idea, thankfully didn't bite us in the ass.

Also Aisa, we can't be in a game together for more than one day period it seems lol.

Fate keeps us apart(that and Not Mafia)

I didn't realise you actually held that view about lurkers until it was too late!

And yeah I knowww