Toriel's Patience (end)

[Sakura Hana]

Proof of purchase, me, as town, being totally willing to self eliminate to remove WIFOM and give town a shot in a much higher stakes game than this one.

Explain to me how supposedly eliminating a supposed town you helps town be less likely to spare scum, than eliminating a slot that has a chance to be scum compared to a supposed town you.

[Sakura Hana]

what the fuck

Look at it this way:

Me and Freedom both have a ~0% chance of being spared, right? I think town gets more info from my flip than Freedom's flip. Which one of us sits in the game til the end doesn't really change that neither of us get spared, so we go with the higher info flip.

This isn't a game where we have to hit every mafia. This is a game where we have to hit a large number of town. The conceit of the game is very different for what we want to get out of a lim.

Look at it this way:

If we eliminate scum, we have less scum inside the pool of people we can spare.
But fine if you want to be eliminated first i'll give you your wish
VOTE: Bingle

[Sakura Hana]

I've had problems with all of Sakura's posting so far except for one post that was a pagetop a couple of pages ago

Uhh... thanks for your detailed explanation i guess.

[Sakura Hana]

I mean, I think that it's more or less nai lol. I think if I had to read into it I'd be inclined to call it more town than scum, because getting limmed today (from a purely win condition point of view, not an emotional one) probably feels a little bad for town but quite bad for scum because it'd mean both their teammates need to be spared. But if Bingle does genuinely believe that there's no chance of ever being spared then that kind of becomes a shrug. It's all sort of a shrug.

Actually this is a good point, maybe i got taken in by emotion.
VOTE: Freedom

[Sakura Hana]

HEAL:

[Sakura Hana]

i feel like we have at least 1-2 deepwolves and that gives me the impression scum are confident in sparing

why does it give you that impression, you think scum would've given up otherwise?

[Sakura Hana]

i also need to put

dunn

in the hotseat because those were both quickhammers

still probably doesnt chnage me from wanting to go

mercy

, but now i need to rethink a whole towncore

why does it matter if we're going mercy anyway, dunn is getting flipped regardless.

[Sakura Hana]

im also wondering why nobody has really stopped me from tunnelling slots, that's undoubtedly part of why im universally townread because that feeds a scumsided narrative

omg ive been scumsiding

Now i like this argument more actually.

[Sakura Hana]

like, if im a UTR and pressuring the scumteam, why wouldnt i get pushback for it?

Do you think anyone has tried? I haven't really been paying much attention.

[Sakura Hana]

I feel like that question is kinda pointless, if they werent then Isis wouldn't need to differentiate between dunn getting spared or eliminated.

[Sakura Hana]

I wanna kill people but we are fucking awful at killing the right people huh

I would hope that we at least arent awful at sparing the right people.

[Sakura Hana]

Does anyone have any objections about this pool of spares?

[Taly, Keyleth, Dannflor, Kyouko, Ydrasse]

I dont see how we lose this.

[Sakura Hana]

Does anyone have any objections about this pool of spares?

[Taly, Keyleth, Dannflor, Kyouko, Ydrasse]

I dont see how we lose this.

why aren't you including yourself?

Doesn't look like anyone wanna spare me, and i dont really care at this point.

[Sakura Hana]

Does anyone have any objections about this pool of spares?

[Taly, Keyleth, Dannflor, Kyouko, Ydrasse]

I dont see how we lose this.

why aren't you including yourself?

Doesn't look like anyone wanna spare me, and i dont really care at this point.

i feel like a lot of people have been town reading you?

who would you replace yourself with if you had to?

You or Keyleth

[Sakura Hana]

Succinctly?

[Sakura Hana]

do we just all want to do mercy then

Why wouldnt you want mercy? I thought Fight lowered your WIM?

[Sakura Hana]

Dunn still gets the entirety of the short Day 3 to post anything before being removed.

[Sakura Hana]

I was under the impression that Mercy was a foregone conclusion at this point, but since you're asking about it i'll give my opinion on the matter.

I personally went for Mercy because implosion's EV post seemed to imply it had the highest chances of winning, and i found it unlikely we'd end up townlocking 2 scum or at least sparing them before sparing 3-4 town.

But then now i remembered that Dunn could potentially be scum, I know i townread him before, and I wonder if going after beeboy and then townlocking kyouko for the beeboy rep out is something scum!dunn would do.

[Sakura Hana]

In the end i think still Dunn is town.

[Sakura Hana]

Wait, oh crap

[Sakura Hana]

Also I dont understand why mercy is the foregone conclusion here, that seems questionable, like yall have been wrong twice and there's a rush to potentially spare scum!Dunn putting us immediately into a situation where we have to dodge scum spares for what, 4 days straight?

And nobody seems to be considering this

I just realized this, but, it didnt hit me before.
If dunn is scum, not only means we have to dodge scum spares 4 times in a row, but also there would be 3 NKs in between.
That's... about 7 townies that we need correct when we're already two down, and scum wont be doing us any favors by killing non consensus TRs either.

[Sakura Hana]

I guess it's about how much i trust my read on dunn huh

[Sakura Hana]

GFI Kyouko, now you've managed to make me anxious and doubting myself.

[Sakura Hana]

GDI Kyouko, now you've managed to make me anxious and doubting myself.

Fixed that for me

[Sakura Hana]

Ok, I still think Dunn is town, im gonna trust myself on this.
If i'm wrong, i'm wrong, but i won't learn from my mistakes otherwise if i keep second guessing myself everytime there's a little bit of paranoia.

[Sakura Hana]

Code: Select all

[Heal][/Heal] for Heal
[Hurt][/Hurt] for Hurt

[Sakura Hana]

Day 3 lasts one prod timer and voting is disabled. The day 3 elimination is Toriel.

Still gotta wait for Day 3 to end after choosing.
Anything else you wanna add Dunn?

[Sakura Hana]

That was more than a bit lol

[Sakura Hana]

Well at least Kyouko will have enough time to catch up.

[Sakura Hana]

I would feel awful to be wrong on it but, yes he wants to be spared. Why would a wolf be so open about that ya know? Feels like a wolf wouldn't try hard to be spared so openly.

Idk, i dont think that's a very good argument for town!Dann given that scum WANT to be spared instead of middling in the reads list. How would scum even achieve that without doing risky stuff like that.

[Sakura Hana]

Some of Dunn's posts this day make me feel like he's sitting on a chair with a glass of wine looking at us and going "muwahahahaha" and make me more anxious

[Sakura Hana]

Dunn is scum

It's hard for me to believe he's playing this cryptic as town rather than trying to give last opinions/thoughts in the game

Maybe he thinks it's funny even as town but nothing about his behavior coming today makes me feel like this will be a town flip unhappily

This is why i'm anxious.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Taly

[Sakura Hana]

If we're gonna spare Taly always today.
Why are we doing more discussion outside of wanting to hear from Taly? I thought the point was to not give scum NK ideas.

I'm not opposed to more discussion, but i dont see what difference does it make between today and tomorrow when we actually have to spare someone other than Taly.

[Sakura Hana]

Of course if there's anyone who opposes sparing Taly today, im willing to hear arguments on that front.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Alisae

[Sakura Hana]

I still think you're more likely town than kyouko after that townslip from several pages ago.

[Sakura Hana]

Sakura you're going to get an angry evil dragon named shirou coming after you

So?

[Sakura Hana]

OH WAIT 3 player wolf team 3 mafia ok

idunno why I had a 4 player wolf team in mind

This is a big townslip from Alisae imo.
Or at least it doesnt look faked due to the progression that led to this realization.

[Sakura Hana]

What progression makes it look real? All I see is Ali saying e has 4 scumreads, no one caring, and then saying e thought it was a 4p team?

I felt like the way Ali was playing until that point felt weird, but if e had a 4 player scum team in mind then it makes more sense.

[Sakura Hana]

What progression makes it look real? All I see is Ali saying e has 4 scumreads, no one caring, and then saying e thought it was a 4p team?

I felt like the way Ali was playing until that point felt weird, but if e had a 4 player scum team in mind then it makes more sense.

Hmm. Maybe. I’ll need to look back for clues that Ali actually thought there was a 4 person team that aren’t potentially fake slips.

Go ahead, i dont mind being proven wrong, but that's how i felt when i saw it.

[Sakura Hana]

That's S-2

[Sakura Hana]

RCE's posts to and about Sakura feel like stereotypically partnery to me and feels like RCE trying to resurrect Sakura's previous widely town read status.

Where did RCE do this?

[Sakura Hana]

Hi Sakura! I don’t have any confidence reading you. So a little summarization of why you’re town would be helpful.

the specific callout to you he does that he doesn't do with anyone else feels like a classic S/S interaction

i also don't really believe RCE would want or would get anything out of you summarizing why you're town

Brown eyes isn’t very prevalent in the game up to where I’ve read but his posting is good. That’s so vague but I guess it’s…tonal/vibe?
Same with Sakura and having an endorsement from my predecessor is a plus.

also just a read I get s/s vibes from. I don't think town actually thinks along the lines of "an endorsement from their predecessor being a plus"

town like to have their own individual reads and are prideful of them

idk i just cannot get these two posts out of my head

Isnt that from like back on day 2, how would that be "resurrecting" my townread status, if that's what he's trying to do he decided to drop it before day 2 ended.

[Sakura Hana]

to be transparent i think the team is exactly like sakura/rce/shirou and they've been subtly pushing each other into or back into the town core for a while now

Speaking of, where has shirou been doing any of this? pretty sure shirou has been hard scumreading rce, if they are partners that's some hardcore distancing.

[Sakura Hana]

So, Mr Dannwolf, if im not partnered with Alisae and Kyouko is also town, what is my endgame here pushing for Alisae spare instead of sheeping the spare of kyouko. Wouldnt in this situation the more optimal solution be to push for an RCE spare to validate Shirou's scumread to help a Shirou spare next?, looks like according to you my master scumplan is to head into town spares and lose.

Or you know, i'm just town and firmly believe that Alisae townslipped back then and so i rather spare e whom i believe has a very strong chance of flipping town.

[Sakura Hana]

Bingle I think is a very underrated and good spare. Bingle was not on D1 or D2 wagon and he has been very much I think just doing his own thing guy seems townie.
RCE I think has a very villagery read on me. What makes his read villagery his his strength and how it stands out compared to his other reads.
I think Sakura has just been consistently villagery throughout teh game.
And I think Kyouko is villagery but nowhere are they as strong as the top 3.

You think Bingle's town? now i'm even more confused by Dannflor here.

[Sakura Hana]

Bingle I think is a very underrated and good spare. Bingle was not on D1 or D2 wagon and he has been very much I think just doing his own thing guy seems townie.
RCE I think has a very villagery read on me. What makes his read villagery his his strength and how it stands out compared to his other reads.
I think Sakura has just been consistently villagery throughout teh game.
And I think Kyouko is villagery but nowhere are they as strong as the top 3.

You think Bingle's town? now i'm even more confused by Dannflor here.

idunno it really comes down to if a wolf!Bingle knows that his spare chances go up if he just puts down a vote on me because when I saw Bingle put a vote down on me I thought "wait a minute my spare is a realistic thing that actually happens" and it's only made possible by Dann making it happen. I don't think a wolf is making my spare happen

I suppose, but then i wonder wtf are the wolves doing then if it's not Dann trying to spare a partner.

[Sakura Hana]

@Mod: You forgot to send a daystart PM

I'll be back later.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Sakura
May i offer an alternative?
Truth be told, i've never been into this self-towncasing thing, i've always believed that as long as i'm myself people will just read me correctly anyway.
But this game is different, and as of right now this is the only person i know 100% to be town.
And i dont really know who the heck can be scum anymore among the remaining people, but the truth is, half of you are.

It's possible Bingle's just town and i dont need to do this, but i'm more certain of this being a game winning move, specially coz it's Dann who has been pushing for Bingle.

[Sakura Hana]

It's possible Bingle's just town and i dont need to do this, but i'm more certain of this being a game winning move, specially coz it's Dann who has been pushing for Bingle.

Um... Bingle's town and you don't need to do this. Sakura, if I'm scum why the fuck do I solidify the Alisae spare? Its the functional equivalent of having the lurker scum come in and bus the powerwolf for towncred two days before MYLO. I'm not that dumb.

I don't claim to know or have the answer to everything, the thing is tho, your result is an accident due to Dannflor, he's been behaving weird all game which has been pinging me, and if he's scum then you can't be town or he'd be pushing hard for a game losing move.

[Sakura Hana]

Besides it was me who prompted you to look into Alisae's ISO

I only started doubting you were town when Dannflor made a push for you to be spared today since yday.
Alisae says you're fine but i cant shake those feelings.

Of course it's probably only a matter of moments before Dann comes and hammers you anyway so i doubt anyone cares.

Now care to explain why voting for Alisae makes you town? Because i doubt it's the equivalent of whatever you say.

[Sakura Hana]

I don't claim to know or have the answer to everything, the thing is tho, your result is an accident due to Dannflor, he's been behaving weird all game which has been pinging me, and if he's scum then you can't be town or he'd be pushing hard for a game losing move.

What's his other option? Not push me as town? He already shut that door. And notice, if he's scum he's doing a pretty great job of not voting me.

Actually... the later is a good point. Unless he's relying on town to vote for you. Either way, i still know for a fact that my spare is an endgaming move and im not sure on you, heck, im less sure of you than say, Ydrasse.
OTOH, i pushed Alisae spare on the grounds of a townslip being pretty damning evidence of e being town, of which you had to be convinced of, and still had to go dig into the ISO to find a reason to vote. I firmly believe Alisae was never set to be spared or NK'd but i shook up whatever plans scum had.

P-Edit: You didnt put Ali at effectively S-1 unless you knew Dann was always gonna vote Alisae, only one that wanted to vote Alisae and was known to was RCE.

[Sakura Hana]

Like, i was ready to fight Shirou if it came down to it, hence why i told Alisae "so?" when e said that Shirou would come after me very angrily.
But day ended before Shirou even got to post.

[Sakura Hana]

I would also be absolutely furious if you died or sakura got spared tomorrow, and would march on Isis's house to demand retribution, fwiw.

RCE... and Alisae.

?
Isnt this implying a you spare means there's a tomorrow?

[Sakura Hana]

UNVOTE:

Thank you

[Sakura Hana]

Also thank you implosion for explaining the events of yday better than i could.

[Sakura Hana]

if Bingle is town? What about if Bingle is scum?

I feel like maybe i've been fallen into a deep hole due to the way Dannflor has treated me this entire game making me think he's scum angling for a win while reducing the ammount of towniness i can radiate, examples of this is him literally parroting Meuh's reasons for scumreading me.
How does this relate to Bingle?
Well if Dann is scum then Bingle HAS to be scum unless Dann was gambiting and hoping Bingle doesnt get hammered after pushing him hard.
Bingle himself is a hard read for me, i thought he was kind of eh, at first, maybe a little town, but him angling to diminish my actions from yday while making his seem like had more impact (idk what the word for that would be) felt a little sus for me.
Either way, if Bingle is scum, then clearly there's already 1 scum voting for himself, which means he just needs 3 instead of 4 townies voting for himself, not impossible, but the moment i voted for myself he started trying to convince me to vote for him instead, which means if you're town, then there's already another scum voting for him either RCE or Yddra.
If Bingle is town then......

gasp

I guess Bingle is scum then.

[Sakura Hana]

I guess Scum!Dann campainging for Town!Bingle to be spared without him voting him and praying he doesnt get hammered while pretending to wanting to hammer is not out of the picture, but if so... damn i wish i had hammered instead.
Which i guess Dann knowing my stances was probably convinced i wasnt gonna do it.

[Sakura Hana]

Well if Dann is scum then Bingle HAS to be scum unless Dann was gambiting and hoping Bingle doesnt get hammered after pushing him hard.

idk i guess if im scum with bingle why don't i just push for myself instead

i mean i guess i haven't specifically checked this but i don't think bingle and i looked especially paired before i started hard pushing for his spare

This is a good point actually... dammit

[Sakura Hana]

I guess...
Maybe this game's easier than i thought if scum is just not posting much or at all and are resigned.
Or scum!Bingle was just counting on Dann pushing for him and then get a partner to capitalize on it.
Either way seems like it was a good idea to stop the wagon.

[Sakura Hana]

Nvm I did it
the pool is just bingle/dann/Sakura/myself and town wins in whatever combination

Can’t kill us all.

thonking

[Sakura Hana]

Can’t kill us all.

Can't kill anyone, I'm the game winning spare.

thonking x2

[Sakura Hana]

Well I guess Dann can make that post and then shoot bingle but bingle is alive so lol

You say this as if Dann had any option other than Kyoko in that scenario.

[Sakura Hana]

Well I guess Dann can make that post and then shoot bingle but bingle is alive so lol

You say this as if Dann had any option other than Kyoko in that scenario.

If dann is scum, and yesterday dann thought kyouko was so guaranteed to be spared today that dann would be obligated to shoot kyouko, then dann would never make 4071 because Dann is both (1) sealing his fate that he will be pretty hard obligated to vote bingle today and (2) sealing his fate that he's making what will probably be, to some of the town, a convincing town case on bingle. It's just so, unnecessarily, brutally committal of a post for scum to make in that situation.

I looked back, at that point Dann was voting for Kyouko tho, heck Ali said "Yolo vote me or no balls" and only a page later Dann voted for Ali.
But now that i look at that progression, maybe it's more likely to come from a town player than a scum who just decided to go "screw the plans, let's just yolo spare Alisae"

[Sakura Hana]

I think I'm super obvious town

How interesting, i also think i'm super obvious town, but apparently it isnt that super obvious to everyone in here.

[Sakura Hana]

Dann I’m fairly certain you’re town even if bingle were to flip scum today (I don’t think he will) I’d be willing to push you up tomorrow if we miss, and we just vote bingle today.

Worst case it looks like bingle!scum -> Sakura nk -> you and I live for next spare. I don’t mind being the one to step back.

Do you think i have less chance of flipping town than Bingle?
I don't see why you'd be pushing so hard for Bingle spare otherwise.
You mentioned yourself on your list of 4 that You, Bingle, Me and Dann should give us a gg.
I don't see how that makes any difference to you which of the 4 goes.

[Sakura Hana]

As it currently stands, I'm voting myself, Dann's voting himself and Bingle's voting himself while you're voting Bingle.
Literally you could vote any of us 3 and it'd be the same ammount of votes so that cant be it either.

[Sakura Hana]

As it currently stands, I'm voting myself, Dann's voting himself and Bingle's voting himself while you're voting Bingle.
Literally you could vote any of us 3 and it'd be the same ammount of votes so that cant be it either.

Idk the vote count but if my vote hammers I’ll vote. Otherwise it doesn’t really matter where my vote is inside the spare pool.

I guess that's a fair point.

[Sakura Hana]

I've been doing nothing but be anti-sparing RCE for the rest of the game and very much up to the point you posted this.

This is literally what i said yday.

Sakura also hadn't been in my top 3 towncore I was suggesting, my names were Ydrasse/Kyouko/Keyleth

I did miss this tho.
Thanks for your support!

[Sakura Hana]

I was thinking that if Dann was town, you had to be scum, but if you were scum you wouldn't be voting for me, i... i dont even have words right now.

[Sakura Hana]

I was thinking that if Dann was town, you had to be scum, but if you were scum you wouldn't be voting for me, i... i dont even have words right now.

I think the meme about DANNWOLF is real in this game!

Like, look at the way he opened the day today. Does that look like a townie very close to achieving their wincon or a wolf trying to step up their game to not lose?

Dann is scum and I've many doubts about Bingle now that he pushed him strongly

You know, you have a point, why would a town Dann start by campainging for Bingle instead of himself?

[Sakura Hana]

If you're town you should know by now that I'm mostly committed to voting you and therefore am town too

I hope we can work together today and I just hope I'm not making a mistake I guess

I'm open to other options (mostly RCE/Implosion), but they just feel like...worse/riskier than you (Sakura).

Nah let's win this

[Sakura Hana]

It's unplayable trash in the moment too! Holy shit did Konami ruin this to the ground, round 2 wins? Really Konami...?

that was my experience when i tried to play Yugioh Master Duel.

[Sakura Hana]

Ydra, i dunno if you're town, but if you are i'm going to need your vote anyway because scum arent going to vote me.
What is your read on me.
P-Edit:

It's unplayable trash in the moment too! Holy shit did Konami ruin this to the ground, round 2 wins? Really Konami...?

that was my experience when i tried to play Yugioh Master Duel.

I started a new account too today after looking up stuff for a few days or so about what it's like to play nowadays

IMO They made Extra Deck way too easy to access, generic boss monsters that you can easily access by new summoning mechanics, and infinite special summons loops that make all the play we used to set for ten whole turns happen in a single one...

I did install the game though because it's so easy to buy the dragonmaid deck to play online...also...I may have spent quite a bit of the free gems buying stuff like the maid icons or character effects...fashion is always the real endgame to me!

I didnt play for much because i got bored of the meta of "if you dont win on turn 1 or 2, you arent gonna win that game"

[Sakura Hana]

Bingle I think is a very underrated and good spare. Bingle was not on D1 or D2 wagon and he has been very much I think just doing his own thing guy seems townie.
RCE I think has a very villagery read on me. What makes his read villagery his his strength and how it stands out compared to his other reads.
I think Sakura has just been consistently villagery throughout teh game.
And I think Kyouko is villagery but nowhere are they as strong as the top 3.

Dannflor - I have him as a wolf but I kind of want to gut tr him and he did vote me
RCE - See above
Lazy Shirou - Never Spare
Bingle - See above
Sakura Hana - See above (tho ig Mandate could have set a wolf!Sakura to be spared now that I think about it but it doesn't change my overall read on her)
Ydrasse - Never Spare
implosion - eeeeeeh ig you can spare him but like if you look at my reads I'm starting to run out of people to tell you who a 3rd wolf is. he does just feel townie to me.
Kyouko - See above.

Ydrasse/Mandate is a wolf.
Start there.

I guess we see RCE's true colors now.
RCE your last few posts sound a lot like a scum that knows im a town winning spare and so cant vote me, if you're really following Alisae then you should know e townread me as well (sure with the caveat of maybe Mandate setting me up but e did also mention it doesnt change e's townread of me), moreover it feels like as scum, you're giving yourself an out after a Bingle scumflip to say you were just sheeping Alisae's reads and e turned out to be wrong on that one (And right now Bingle's really looking like a potential scumflip).
However... if you're scum then i don't need your vote, it just means that Yddra is town and Alisae was wrong and it's just a matter of time until Yddra and implosion spare me anyway. And if you're actually town then i WILL need your vote, so i beg you reconsider.

tl;dr: Alisae also townread me, it's not just a Dunn/Taly read, and the fact that you supposedly collected that info and are sheeping Alisae speaks volumes of your stubborness to vote for me.

[Sakura Hana]

gg Scum
Thanks for trusting me.

So what the heck happened im confused af here, did i have the scum team wrong or did scum throw.
I'm gonna be sad if implosion was tyring this hard to buddy me and i fell for it.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm curious to see what went on in the scum PT now.
Because im clueless of what happened here.

[Sakura Hana]

[Endgame Waiting Room]

[Sakura Hana]

Nah im here, i just dont think it's worth it to continue speculating on whether im trolling or not when game is ending soon anyway. And we will know who is trolling then anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

We should not talk about reads right now because it only helps scum figure out the nk, btw

I dont think it's necessary to talk about anything to begin with, but i'll say that i found this game quite amusing, i've always wanted to try a mountainous but not actually mountainous game.

[Sakura Hana]

Fun fact, when i pre-in'd and got into this game i didnt realize it was Undertale themed, then i got worried about potential spoilers coz i haven't played it yet, i really should, i even own it already.

[Sakura Hana]

But after everyone's replies i wonder if maybe scum were never meant to exist? is that a thing in undertale?

[Sakura Hana]

GG, Well played town, you made the game really hard for us.

[Sakura Hana]

Also sorry Dann and Bingle, i think my shenanigans Day 6 may have contributed to that loss.
I dont really know what other approach we could have taken this game tbh, the high EV drove down my motivation a lot throughout the majority of the game, added to the fact that going for Mercy was all but certain, with anyone that tried to even look at Fight being hit by getting scumread.

[Sakura Hana]

Only thing is that playing scum in this specific setup and with a plist like this felt very stressful, you'll see in the scum PT where i kept rambling a lot when it's eventually released.
I hope we can meet again as town teammates in the future coz i think you all are nice players to play with.

[Sakura Hana]

i originally wanted to night kill ydrasse but changed my mind

dunno if things would've turned out differently

I doubt implo would have enticed RCE to vote him coz implo liked to things slowly.
After i saw the post Shirou made tho, i was starting to feel like Shirou was a better NK, because Ydrasse may have ended up voting town if she didnt get voted herself.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah I’d imagine the idea of mercy wasn’t great for scum wim.

It wasn't, but i dont like blaming the setup because while it was hard, winning was possible, so i'll just say town just outplayed us instead.

[Sakura Hana]

I also think there was a window to push the game towards fight that we passed up

As i mentioned in the Dead PT, which you'll eventually see anyway.
The thing is that Mercy felt like a foregone conclusion after the EV posts and it also felt like just looking at the direction of the Hurt tag would get you scumread by the entire playerlist. Just didnt feel worth it to try because then they'd just eliminate everyone that voted hurt until all 3 scum were dead or all the people that voted Hurt were dead.

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So for those wondering, Dann did indeed plan to hammer Bingle Day 6, i made a post trying to propose an alternative to me being spared, but Dann was still planning to hammer although he asked me if i wanted he could wait. I wasn't decided on what i wanted to do yet, i kinda wanted to be spared, but i didnt know if him hammering Bingle at the time would've helped anything.
Later on i see implosion mentioning that if Bingle was hammered and he was NK'd he would vouch for my spare Day 6, and im like "damn we should've hammered".
To top it all off, I started getting scared that if i was alive on Day 7 it would raise a lot of eyebrows and i'm bad at explaining why i could be alive, so I decided to make it important that i was the one spared on Day 6. And i ended up trying to rush my spare.
Bingle's hammer wasn't planned i rushed him to do it, i was scared that Shirou would unvote and everyone's world view would change based off RCE voting me.

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Also for those wondering my weird trajectory with Dann.
A town me would've townread Dann's posts so that's what i was going with, but Dann wanted to crossbus because it would give us a better chance at being spared later down the line.
Which is why you see my weird OMGUS vote on Dann after townreading him hard.

I've never had a team that does this kind of strategizing and so of course it would look unnatural, but somehow people still townread us, which was ???? to me.

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Either way, im not that good at using that, i trusted my partners to be better skilled at using such precedents to try and gain towncred, but stuff happened too quick.
Maybe having implosion alive to slow things down would've been a good thing.

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I did say I was willing to spare Bingle/RCE at twilight though because If you were indeed scum I didn't want to get NK and also wanted scum to NK them if they were town and I was wrong somehow. I also didn't want to point out my plan of just trusting my gut on Ydrasse if she was alive.

Funny coz before i got to the dead pt i left my teammates instructions to NK Ydrasse, but they deviated and killed implosion anyway.

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his was a cool game and I enjoyed playing it with people.

I also enjoyed played with you all

Despite me having my mind almost to the point of snapping multiple times and almost replacing out due to sheer stress from this game multiple times, which were things that neither my teammates nor the mod knew.

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Fun fact about Ydrasse?
She was the first player i wanted to NK when i was planning the spares and NK for the remainder of the game.

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Fun fact, if i was town i probs wouldn't have eliminated Meuh.

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Meuh's elimination was the only one that ate me inside to do, but i had to do it coz i was scum.

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The good news is that whenever people scumread me now, I can point to this game and say no one can read me

I think you were very readable for what it's worth, but i had to take advantage of the miselimination possibility.

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Then again that's probably just me knowing your alignment and biasing myself into you being readable

[Sakura Hana]

(Also excruciating but that's just mafia for you)

Eh i think the setup was what made it excruciating, this playerlist would've been a lot easier without the spare mechanic and with regular PRs i feel.

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Funny thing? I completely forgot PRs existed in games because this game was mountainous.
And when i was thinking of how this would feel without the spare mechanic, well, obviously it'd need PRs and i'm like "oh yeah, those are a thing"
Can you believe how much this setup got into my head?

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Yeah that's fair, setup didn't do any favours... feels like a scary group though!!! Everyone's so good

I originally thought this as well, but when literally the people i was scared of were townreading me i was like "Wow, didnt think i'd be snowing the people that had the highest chances of catching me"

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I dunno, as mod i find fun finding cool role combinations for a game.
An example of a game i once modded off-site

Spoiler:

Town Novice Non-Consecutive Vigilante
Town Non-Consecutive Gunsmith
Town 7-Shot Jailkeeper
Town 2-Shot Traffic Analyst
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Mafia Gunsmith Enabler
Mafia 1-Shot Strongman
Mafia Encryptor Neighborizer

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I gotta watch out for you in our next games! Your scumgame is definitely way better than what I imagined!

As long as it doesnt turn into

Sakura goes back to getting miselimmed into every town game due to being able to fake

anything

as scum, despite that being untrue

, dont really know how i would react if i were to go back to 2013

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I'm personally okay with anything as long as it's not multiball, but im on the opposite side of the spectrum where im more of a fan of rolemadness and upicks

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Sakura Hana randed wolf and put on a little red Riding Hood pfp

lol

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Hope you had fun reading our scum PT