Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 5)

[Elements]

VOTE: elements
I'm out all day so I expect readable content when I return

[Elements]

VOTE: Madman

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As Town, all of the 9 other Townies than me are operating trying to appear as Towny as possible to others

This is never true

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Bloop

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VOTE: Elements

<3

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

<3

Why did you vote Madman?

I disagree with basically everything he's said and then he vote no lim

[Elements]

Red team can post things that aren't red team motivated

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Bloop

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Eating, will reply in a bit

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poke

are you a hidden alt?

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I mean yes they can be scum but I don't see anything that implies that their belief is disgenuine here and I find it suspicious to overtly latch onto calling then scum for it.

I feel like you're misrepping me here. I've voted Rational and said I disagree with everything he's said and done. I've at no point called him red team. And before you say it, no, voting someone does not mean I think they're red team

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Red team can post things that aren't red team motivated

So can green team!

okay.....
not really seeing your point here

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

<3

Why did you vote Madman?

why did you vote me?

[Elements]

Coupled with the no lim vote, ya is weird, but would Rational be that much of a Madman to enter the game like that as scum?

I see no reason why not


How many of y'all are alts?

[Elements]

committing to a read is free and gives info and you can always change your mind later

Scum won't feel particularly threatened if your pushes have no teeth after all.

Willing to park here for now VOTE: elements

I like Dann, rational, kayjay, and thomith so far

why do you like thomith?

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

<3

Why did you vote Madman?

why did you vote me?

because I feel like your vote was opportunistic, due to the ease in which I feel a vote on Madman could be explained away due to them having a non standard belief, that I don't think is necessarily scum indicative.

why do I need to be oppertunistic on day 2?

[Elements]

you've played with me before, do you not rememebr how much of a reactionary player I am?

[Elements]

In my experience people who openly advocate for no elim are town

the meta on this site is very anti no-lim day 1
given that Rational joined in 2013 I'm sure he's experienced enough to know that

[Elements]

In my experience people who openly advocate for no elim are town

I also want to vote thomith, but people don't seem to like where my vote is at at all at the moment so I'm just gonna leave it there for a bit longer

[Elements]

But no elimination = no information. I need something to base my reads off of and player’s movements during D1 leading up to an elimination can be very useful when figuring shit out. (in my opinion)

If they know there won’t be an elimination, it’s hard to say anyone is being AI if it feels like there’s nothing at stake.

I think it's Rational vs everyone else on this argument

[Elements]

In my experience people who openly advocate for no elim are town

I also want to vote thomith, but people don't seem to like where my vote is at at all at the moment so I'm just gonna leave it there for a bit longer

I feel like my quote is not suitable context to say this

it was implying you thought Rational is better that 50/50 town

[Elements]

But they were all newbies uhh

yee

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Bloop

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[quote=awesomeming327 post_id=14150646 post_num=98 time=1712433253 user_id=37392
And no not really I changed my mind rational is not a newbie and my thing only applies for newbies
[/quote]
Lovely
Come vote with me

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you've played with me before, do you not rememebr how much of a reactionary player I am?

I'm not sure that this confirms your alignment either way though?

It doesn't
so by your smae reasoning on questioning me voting Rational for nothing alignment indicative, have you not done the same thing by voting me?

[Elements]

I almost voted Rational out of annoyance too

I don’t think Elements’ vote is particularly scummy

But what do you think about elements wanting me to vote rational as well

it's NAI

[Elements]

You are voting Town but if I vote you back it looks like scum reacting defensive.

not if you give a reason

I am very sure you're just trying to derail a good chance scum goes to night period knowing nothing beyond their roles by voting me and making a lot of people reveal reads and react in ways you can decide better who to kill and frame next DP as well as read for PRs vs vanillas.

stop with your obsession with PRs
unless you're fishing in which case keep it up

[Elements]

Scum try hard to appear like Town in ways Town only do if they are particularly tryhards.

Stop making blanket statements that are just untrue

[Elements]

Setup spec loses games

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I am down to vote anyone that isn't Grovyle or Dann.

Self vote

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I am down to vote anyone that isn't Grovyle or Dann. If we're going to bandwagon, others lack Towntelling in my eyes.

I've changed my mind
Come VOTE: Thomith
Will help end the day

[Elements]

VOTE: elements

Can you get Radical to vote someone?
Might listen to you seeing as you're a town read

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@Radical
Can you tell me why a fast no-lim day 1 is beneficial for town without any reasoning about a quick day 1 no-lim being bad/unhelpful for the red team?

[Elements]

So you're not saying no lim day 1 is good for town, you're saying it's the less bad of two options?

[Elements]

And apologies for getting your name wrong

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Bloop

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If we vote anyone it should be someone key to extending the DP and who is voting without a good reason.

Vote me then

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@Rational
I'm going to take your thought process to an extreme, just for you.
Let's have a hypothetical 13 player game with the following roles:
Mafia Roleblocker
1-shot Mafia Doctor
Mafia Goon

Town Cop
Town 1-shot vigilante
Town 2-shot doctor
7xVT

Day 1
We all collectively decide to vote no-lim as fast as possible. In fact, the first 7 posts of the game are to vote for no elimination and we go to the night phase with nothing having been said. All good so far?

Night 1
Mafia kill a random VT
Mafia throw out a random roleblock, cool. It hits a VT and nothing happens
Cop checks someone at random and find out they're town. Horay information!
Vig and Doc decide not to use their abilities.

Day 2
The cop decides they don't want to claim anything just yet, after all they can only confirm one player as town and if they claim now it's likely they could die in the night phase.
So for 8 out the remaining 9 town players we have exactly the same sceario as in day 1, minus one town member. What do we talk about now? There is no public information availible to us so anything we do will be random and based on nothing. Probably best to vote no-lim here in case the things we say out our valuable PRs.
The day ends with no elimination

Night 2
Mafia kill another VT
Mafia roleblock a random person, lets say the doctor this time
Vigi still doesn't know who to shoot so doesn't pick anyone
Doctor decides to wait again making the Mafia PR action useless
Cop checks the VT the mafia happen to kill that night

Day 3
Exactly the same situation as Day 2 but with one less town member again.

I think you can see where this is headed.

Please explain to me how your reasoning for no lim day 1 cannot be applied to day 2 and beyond if the PRs are gated or do not want to claim for whatever reason they might have.

[Elements]

elements voting rational on it seems opportunistic imo

have a quick skim of my day 1 isos from other games I've played
They're all in my sig

[Elements]

I won’t be voting Elements D1 unless something spectacularly scummy comes from her which I don’t anticipate.

just gimmi some time xx

[Elements]

What I'd do instead is say we keep talking and gang on people as 3 to 4 to pressure them. It can be me, it can be others. Nobody should react until 3 to 4 votes are on them in a setup this big, not on DP1.

Idc what the scum members say so I only care that the other 9 all seem against no elimination. They are incorrect but I have to obey it as conforming to Town members you disagree with is part of the game.

You say wagons of 3 or 4 are the only ones that matter.
You say you will conform to the town in that everyone other than you want to vote people.
You have a list of 4 people you think are red team.

So why are you still not voting any of the 2 player wagons to make them up to 3 players?

All you are doing is clogging up the thread with "analysis" everyone else disagrees with yet you continue to talk about almost nothing else. Making it easy for the red team to hide behind that being the big thing of the day. You have the most posts of any of us.
You gave a reads list that no one asked you to do even though it goes against everything you have said about day 1.
You are simply hypocritical in what you say versus your actions.

VOTE: RationalMadman

[Elements]

I won’t be voting Elements D1 unless something spectacularly scummy comes from her which I don’t anticipate.

just gimmi some time xx

I’d actually be really funny if you did something that pinged me so hard that I did a 180 like “get her outttt!!! I’ll drive the bus!!!!” lol

while you're here can i ask about your thought's on thomith?

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If we vote anyone it should be someone key to extending the DP and who is voting without a good reason.

Vote me then

If you are going to force it I eventually will. Until it's genuinely me vs you, I have to wait to see what happens. I am not eager to force you to claim, it benefits Scum even if you claim and are CC'd and are scum yourself. I need to wait to see others react and get a proper final decision on who I'm voting. Rushing to pressure you is antitown as hell from my perspective. You are too bloodthirsty too fast.

I'm VT
Bam
Claimed
I'm you're easy roll over and die VT claim that is your supposed best option to vote out day 1

[Elements]

What kind of logic is that? I don't even understand how it's a reply to me.

Red team are saying they want an elimination becasue so is everyone else to fit in

[Elements]

Please explain to me how your reasoning for no lim day 1 cannot be applied to day 2 and beyond if the PRs are gated or do not want to claim for whatever reason they might have.

I never ever said DP2 is a no-lim. Ever.

Answer my quesiton please

[Elements]

So you're not saying no lim day 1 is good for town, you're saying it's the less bad of two options?

Mafia gain a lot more from everything involved leading up to it than Town do, this is solely counteracted if Town hit the jackpot and vote off the most powerful of the Mafia. Even if Town hit Mafia and don't hit the roleblocker or equivalent active-role type of Scum, they've merely cancelled out the disadvantage, it depends how you 'weigh' things and how long you believe Scum can survive.

We know nothing about the setup if we are Town, except our own role (but a PR can intuit at least 2-3 plausible Mafia roles to counteract their role). Scum know more. Town won't work out more from what proceeds DP1 than they could have had they just shut up, rushed to no-eliminate and let PRs do what they do. Of course this can have bad luck outcomes, so be it is what I say. The Scum is more, not less, likely to hit right on their night phase powers the more that we interact and leak.

I'm not asking for an explinaiton, can you give me as yes/no answer please

[Elements]

Please explain to me how your reasoning for no lim day 1 cannot be applied to day 2 and beyond if the PRs are gated or do not want to claim for whatever reason they might have.

I never ever said DP2 is a no-lim. Ever.

Answer my quesiton please

At this point unless both a nightkill happened and no living person has a result

What happens iday 2 in this scenario?

[Elements]

You have helped Scum narrow down PRs massively by what you just did (unless you are Scum obviously). I am struggling to not violate the insult rule at this point. I'm not replying to you anymore.

Getting into an argument you can't win and backing out before it makes you look bad, got it

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Since you're insinuating your play in previous games should make it clear you're town here, can you explain how my play differs to how it usually does as town to make you suspect me?

So my read on you comes from the following things:

51 feel forced and like you've overly analysed what I consider to be a jokey start of game post that lots of players make. As if you felt like you had to back yourself up.

The way you came to Madman's defence kinda feels like defending a buddy (obvioulsy I'm biased on that one) especially given your reasoning in 86 which I can see as discrediting any future votes that might end up there.

The previous game stuff isn't meant to make it clear I'm town, it's to do with you calling my vote oppertunistic and the fact I'm always the most trigger happy throwing my vote around day 1 in any game I play.

[Elements]

Since you're insinuating your play in previous games should make it clear you're town here, can you explain how my play differs to how it usually does as town to make you suspect me?

I will say I liked 110
one of your more towny posts

[Elements]

Elements, I disagree with your premise that buddies will defend each other on day one. They are 100% more likely to throw each other under the bus.

I agree with you, it was just something that could've linked two of my red reads together so I mentioned it. It's like a super flimsy day 1 thought ya know?

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VOTE: cactus

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@Rational
If I'm playing so anti-town, surely the best move is to vote me out here before i can do any more damage?

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@KayJay
I've just noticed you haven't moved your vote since page 13, is Hu now your biggest suspicion?

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I can get strong PR reads from DP1 as Scum btw. I can't speak for others and won't clarify what the clues are because they're a combination of ways a typical player operates when PR that indicate they aren't VT. It is not my problem if Scum are less capable of it than me, I must assume apex competence and play to defeat that degree of competent scum team. You don't based optimised game moves on a flawed opponent.

You keep saying you're "so much better" than everyone yet haven't done anything to help the game state

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Why aren't you pointing the neuances out to help the rest of us to play on your level?

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Bloop

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Why aren't you pointing the neuances out to help the rest of us to play on your level?

The nuances of reading PRs as scum? I have very good reason to hide that.

The nuances you mentioned in the preface to your read list

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There are more nuances that show other things. Some things for person A are scummy for their psyche/approach while for person B are either Towny or a nulltell. You have to put together a personality like a jigsaw puzzle and see how over more posts as the game progresses the person seems to fit into a scum profile or Town. I don't owe you to explain more as I am told I am posting vomit tomlnthe eyes of sorts and don't want to waste effort on this game as it's clear to me the crowd is largely ot here for a proper tryhard game, only for a banter filled junk one, going soft at as to criticise me for the effort I put in as wasting their time (irony to the maximum).

I've explained enough.

How can you possibly know the specific personal nuances of a group of people you've never played with before?
I've been complaining about your obsession with no lims day 1.
I'd be more than happy for you to effort post about how you are reading specific players and the tells you think they have, I would welcome it. But all I'm getting back from you is "you don't deserve my views on the game because you're not playing correctly" which quite frankly is just making me think you don't have any are are just spouting nonsense.

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@KayJay
I've just noticed you haven't moved your vote since page 13, is Hu now your biggest suspicion?

I have no suspicion on Hu currently. RVS vote just chilled a little too long I guess.

Anyone you have enough suspicion of to vote?

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@Rational

I'm re-reading your thoughts on awesomeming and don't fully follow what you said in 262, could you clarify that for me?

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VOTE: Hu

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elements is lowkey cooking

I'm like a pond-skater

[Elements]

I vote awesomeming and encourage all to sheep it. I am quite sure of this. I even like the fact there doesn't seem tombe opportunistic scum joining in fast to it using me as a shield of aggression.

I don't find your case convincing

[Elements]

I literally asked you to explain it to me again and you didn't

[Elements]

where was your re-explination?

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I've explained everything you asked me to

that's just not true

[Elements]

Well for instance I re-explained my reasoning behind the NoElim around 5 times on top of the first but each resulted in you pretending I never explained it.

not asking about that

I explained all my reads but you then interrogate the nuances to which I expanded on what they are and you pretend I explained nothing.
So, now that you ask me to explain my scumread on awesoming on the post I explained it, I don't see why to bother.

can you show me the post where you re-explained your scum read on them? I'm asking because I didn't understand the post I quoted

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Please explain to me how your reasoning for no lim day 1 cannot be applied to day 2 and beyond if the PRs are gated or do not want to claim for whatever reason they might have.

I never ever said DP2 is a no-lim. Ever.

Answer my quesiton please

At this point unless both a nightkill happened and no living person has a result

What happens iday 2 in this scenario?

Please explain to me how your reasoning for no lim day 1 cannot be applied to day 2 and beyond if the PRs are gated or do not want to claim for whatever reason they might have.

I never ever said DP2 is a no-lim. Ever.

Answer my quesiton please

you haven't answered either of these

[Elements]

Yes I have. DP2 is a normal day, normal pressure whatever. Hopefully with a report on another player and claim leading toa crush proper structure of who to revolve the DP around and real situations where reactions actually matter to read rather than this DP1 chaos.

But if no one says anything on day 1 and there is not PR claims at the start of day 2, what is actually the difference in game state other than having less town players alive?

Spoiler: spoiler

You have to use the spoiler= tags to spoiler quotes

[Elements]

Yes I have. DP2 is a normal day, normal pressure whatever. Hopefully with a report on another player and claim leading toa crush proper structure of who to revolve the DP around and real situations where reactions actually matter to read rather than this DP1 chaos.

But if no one says anything on day 1 and there is not PR claims at the start of day 2, what is actually the difference in game state other than having less town players alive?

Spoiler: spoiler

You have to use the spoiler= tags to spoiler quotes

Well if Mafia hit jackpot and kill a significant PR before it is useful then nothing but the mafia will claim such a PR anyway when voted DP1 and either force out a CC or end up lucky and unCCd and later end up winning a clash probably.

I admit ironically that the case the mafia is not CCd means they lack information on PRs in terms of who but now out of the simple normal PRs they know one that is not present in the game and as others unvote them due to no CC it means that Town has to hit 1 in 6 chances of the 2 in 12 others and have the Scum probably decide which one ends up going as the temporary clear.

It's just a lot of lose-lose scenarios.

I think you put way too much value in PRs

[Elements]

I wanna vote in Gibdo/Salty/Rational/Hu today
In no particular order

[Elements]

I wanna vote in Gibdo/Salty/Rational/Hu today
In no particular order

Why Gibdo? I didn’t feel strongly either way about the entrance post.

Exactly

[Elements]

Or win but lose with the win like get rid of mafia but expose PR to them.

Do you play blood on the clocktower?
I think you'd enjoy it

[Elements]

I wanna vote in Gibdo/Salty/Rational/Hu today
In no particular order

Why do you Townread awesomeming

Awesome is one I'm planing or looking at agin tomorrow.
I want to go through your case on him and see I can see what you're seeing because atm I can't.
He's null for me atm

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Or win but lose with the win like get rid of mafia but expose PR to them.

Do you play blood on the clocktower?
I think you'd enjoy it

Do you? I’m obsessed with watching it but have never played. Sorry for getting sidetracked I just love that game so much lol

I've played a fair bit
I prefer mafia

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Also @RationalMadman do you prefer us to call you RationalMadman? Is Madman okay? Is RM okay? How would you prefer us to refer to you, since you implied you didn't like being referred to as Rational.

I thought that was because I said "Radical" instead of "Rational"

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Bloop

Could you link me to some of your offsite games so I can get a better feel of how you play generally?

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I wanna vote in Gibdo/Salty/Rational/Hu today
In no particular order

What changed from you wanting to vote me?

Idk, just sort of fizzled.


Also in response to your 172, I don't want the day to end quickly. I was just turning Rational's logic back on himself to try and get him to do something.

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People can believe what they want. My logic is sound. Either they agree with it or do not. Either they read awesomeming as transparent scum or not. I am not interested.

Why would you not be interested in catching red team?

Treat me as if I am the worst player on Earth. It doesn't affect me because I know that's your error and I have nothing to prove. Instead of focusing on me and my tells focus on the logic of what is being said.

Logic is irrellevent of alignment. Tells are how you can determine someone's team.

One side says mitigate mafia advantage the other says it's goofy, makes you want to rip your eyes out reading it and that I am wrong and dismissed as this cute kid throwing a tantrum that the big boys and girls will ignore. Meanwhile I'm the wise one and they're the immature ones.

Stop saying you're better than all of us, it's getting tiresome.

Others got more obsessed with this NoElim thing than me. Constantly saying it's obviously wrong rather than admitting I was correct and Town prefer the fun of scum hunting for the sake of it DP1 instead.

How is us saying you were obviously wrong any different from you saying you are obviously correct?

[Elements]

This RationalMadman wagon stinks

Agreed. However you aren't voting with me either so this could be an angle of 'oh no I told you so but won't really fight it' for DP2 when I'm either dead as vanilla or alive/dead/useless as naked PR.

How are you reading Thomith atm?

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People can believe what they want. My logic is sound. Either they agree with it or do not. Either they read awesomeming as transparent scum or not. I am not interested.

Why would you not be interested in catching red team?

I am interested in that. Not in using off-site games or what others read me as and think of me as I've not done anything to scumtell, I am sure of it.

You literally said you aren't interesting in people believing you. You need town's support to get rid of the red team.

Treat me as if I am the worst player on Earth. It doesn't affect me because I know that's your error and I have nothing to prove. Instead of focusing on me and my tells focus on the logic of what is being said.

Logic is irrellevent of alignment. Tells are how you can determine someone's team.

Scum use faulty logic both in who they pick fights with and the way they go about reasoning their reads or game theory based decisions/suggestions. Town even if wrong have more sound internal logic as they're not basing they're decisions on sole survival and deflection but also on accurate reads and offense.

Let me rephrase; Pure logic is not AI
People using fautly logic is a tell

One side says mitigate mafia advantage the other says it's goofy, makes you want to rip your eyes out reading it and that I am wrong and dismissed as this cute kid throwing a tantrum that the big boys and girls will ignore. Meanwhile I'm the wise one and they're the immature ones.

Stop saying you're better than all of us, it's getting tiresome.

Then stop constantly ridiculing me as this moron on the side of everything that had a stupid idea everyone dismissed on good grounds. I had a sound idea everyone dismissed on impulsive grounds. I firmly stand by that and won't give an inch of ground to those saying shut up you were wrong or calling it goofy or whatever else.

Show me where I have ridiculed you as a moron and I will apologise

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I never once said I am obviously correct.

You're right. I take it back and am sorry for that miscatagorisation of what you were saying

Spoiler:

No Elim is optimal here, I am certain of it.

Implying anyone that isn't is wrong

You may think you proved me wrong but you proved my original theory even more correct.

You're wrong, I'm right

which is infallible and can't be argued against, sorry to flex it but it's true and I think he realised this as he read it but left it for later

I'm right

It is very simple if you understand the more complex parts

But you don't under stand the complex parts whereas I do

I only care that the other 9 all seem against no elimination. They are incorrect

You're wrong

I don't know, I hoped they would and didn't care if they didn't as I can play well under suboptimal conditions anyway.

If no one listens to me, the game will be played sub-optimally because I know best

I have probably the highest ratio of useful contributions Vs useless this game of any player here.

...

I can get strong PR reads from DP1 as Scum btw. I can't speak for others .......... It is not my problem if Scum are less capable of it than me, I must assume apex competence and play to defeat that degree of competent scum team. You don't based optimised game moves on a flawed opponent.

I'm really good as red team, not my fault if none of you are

Well I have but only from terrible Town.

Literally just calling awesome terrible

[Elements]

Joking aside, let’s see if this gets me any new info.

I generally find that asking this is counter productive in and of itself
Like how reaciton tests don't work if the person knows you're reaciton testing them

[Elements]

VOTE: Thomith

[Elements]

There is something seriously wrong with the speed of this wagon, I recommend anyone on it to unvote ASAP.

what are you worried is going to happen?

[Elements]

I don't know why me claiming is being brought up, as I don't think I'm in range for a claim to be requested of me yet, but let me know if I'm wrong.

Rational is over reacting to everything as usual

[Elements]

I believe so

[Elements]

So natural

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Bloop

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What changed from 457?

I see wagon
I vote wagon

[Elements]

VOTE: Rational

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ooh opportunistic backstabber

I thought that was quite a funny one

[Elements]

VOTE: hu tao

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VOTE: Rational

I don't really get the rational votes here

I don't see the slot ever being night killed and if it gets to limlo I don't trust it to win

[Elements]

Bmopp

[Elements]

Nooooooooo

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I’ve definitely felt disengaged from this game and I’m not sure where to naturally come back in confidently. I don’t have a ton of concrete reads outside of Thom and Elements as town.

Why not have a look at Salty as that seems to be the current topic?

[Elements]

VOTE: ccs

[Elements]

rational elements you if i had to say

I appreciate you good you think I am at theatre

[Elements]

*how good

[Elements]

I can get behind a KayJay vote if anyone wanted to start a wagon there

[Elements]

[/v]KayJayQueue[/v]

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VOTE: KayJayQueue

I know how vote tags work

[Elements]

i don’t really think KJQ is that scummy

the thing for me is that it feels like she's hiding behind the "can't really get into this game" a bit too much

[Elements]

if i dont give proper content by the end of tonight please vote me (half serious) lmao

We've still got basically a week if we need it

[Elements]

Hopefully you'll feel better in less than that time

[Elements]

That was quick, good job Black

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VOTE: Black

I think I can safely say this is not mafia

[Elements]

Is this genuinely acceptable behaviour?

What is up with this guy?

You'll find out if you read the first 30 pages

[Elements]

Wouldn't recommend

[Elements]

Is this genuinely acceptable behaviour?

What is up with this guy?

Now you have some idea

[Elements]

I am getting a lot of town vibes from HT

HT is actually a direct Townread by me rn

I think this has partner equity with Hu if she flips scum. Something is bothering me about this correction, like he wanted to make sure everyone knew that it wasn't just town vibes, it's a firm townread, just in case he ever flips scum and people go looking for his partners in his hedgy reads

I also didn't like the way he had a mild heart attack when I joined the Hu wagon

As lothe as I am to do this, I think Rational would do that about a read on anyone. And similarly with the angst at your vote. Anyone getting to e-3 I get the feeling he would've reacted the same way

VOTE: Hu

[Elements]

Yeah this wagon grew fast I'm scared.

What was your read on hu again?

[Elements]

As Town there are many reasons to clarify a direct Townread that you hadn't Townread yet all game.

What was your reason?

[Elements]

Damn it
I said to myself I wouldn't engage

[Elements]

As Town there are many reasons to clarify a direct Townread that you hadn't Townread yet all game.

What was your reason?

Please disregard

[Elements]

Anyone else?

maybe I’d look closer at grovyle too, idk

Why not awesomeming?

People are actively not going over awesomeming purely because of the amount you are going on about it. If you maybe drop it for like 3 days people we have a look.

[Elements]

What if we just voted Goofball for doing nothing

Goofball has done more than elements and dann who just trollvote all wagons. He's voting scum with me.

DGB had 15 posts
I don't think you understand how doing things works

[Elements]

VOTE: awesomeming
Now have I done more than dgb?

[Elements]

Psychological warfare?!

[Elements]

No you have actually done less.

Again, not how doing things works

[Elements]

Psychological warfare?!

After you and Dann do 4 votes not just 3, on enough people, then people react less to it making 5 even 6 feel like 4 and 3 should feel.

It's a technique used in conditioning martial arts. Muay Thai or certain brand of Karate especially use this to harden parts of their body by both psychologically and physiologically making it so the person experiences less pain from a severe collision and/or stimuli that make most wince and unable to think straight and keep fighting. The problem is you've conditioned to something Town is supposed to stay very sensitive to.

3/4 isn't big pressure
e-1 is the only potentially scary wagon

[Elements]

I'm so confused

Good
That means my psychological warfare is working and I'm conditioning you correctly

[Elements]

VOTE: awesomeming
Now have I done more than dgb?

Is this an actual read, or just proving a point?

Proving a point
VOTE: Hu

[Elements]

The only way to "prove" something in mafia is to vote someone out and see what they flip

[Elements]

Elements has proven my point about her correct. So yes, point proven.

You know what.
If you can demonstrate this "proof" of yours to me using actual things I've said and examples of why that proves your "proof" I will sheep you for the rest of the day phase.

[Elements]

mostly rational being loudly wrong about everything and insulting people every chance he gets

We could fix that....
VOTE: Rational

[Elements]

Ugh fine
VOTE: Hu

[Elements]

Just as I thought, you can't

[Elements]

is your hyperbole bullshit a bit too blatant there?

Could you try and be a bit more hypocritical?

[Elements]

Won't be engaging with this gross troll any longer

I tried that, but you know how sometimes you just have to poke a wasps nest with a stick?

[Elements]

I quickly skimmed through a RM game just in case where he was scum and yeah he is different here.

you found one that wasn't a replace in?
I had a look and he's different in every game on this site

[Elements]

yeah i think it’s fairly likely there’s a scum pushing and a scum defending Rational

I wonder which is the scum pushing RM....

is it me?!

[Elements]

I quickly skimmed through a RM game just in case where he was scum and yeah he is different here.

you found one that wasn't a replace in?
I had a look and he's different in every game on this site

He replaced into the one I read

Did you look at the town games? They're just as different

[Elements]

I quickly skimmed through a RM game just in case where he was scum and yeah he is different here.

you found one that wasn't a replace in?
I had a look and he's different in every game on this site

He replaced into the one I read

Did you look at the town games? They're just as different

They were also years ago.

I feel like my play as town and scum is wildly different to when I last played in 2011/2012.

Yeah sorry that was kinda my point
The past town games are just as different as the past red games so looking at any of them doesn't really tell us anything

[Elements]

VOTE: Dannflor

[Elements]

I sense Awesomeming would instahammer and not care he's obvious scum after that.

1 for 1s are always good for town

[Elements]

I sense Awesomeming would instahammer and not care he's obvious scum after that.

1 for 1s are always good for town

Depends on the role and/or capacity of player hit. Noob/unskilled with vanilla role, sure yes.

Nah always

[Elements]

The only not good 1 for 1s are negative utility that activate when they die
And even then I'd probabky trade a princess for a goon

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

she's hoping Dann is voted off instead.

Dann is never getting voted off today
you just don't understand how I use my vote

[Elements]

It's up to you to justify your votes

Don't tell me what to do
I can vote whoever, whenever. Don't assume to understand why I'm doing something

[Elements]

Then don't expect anyone to understand it.

I'm not

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

Intent to hammer in:
(expired on 2024-04-15 20:15:00)

[Elements]

Events have been set in motion that cannot be changed

[Elements]

If you die you die. Nobody should delay the DP. Just end it.

this is a great point but may i raise you:

Intent to hammer in:
(expired on 2024-04-15 20:15:00)

[Elements]

Ccs is scum

yea probably

[Elements]

Ccs is scum

is that all you wanted to say?

[Elements]

VOTE: awesomeming

[Elements]

Day Triple Vigilante Kill:

Hu Tao, camelCasedSnivy, awesomeming

yea, this is looking very spicy

[Elements]

I am proud of my reads so far.

You glad we didn't speed no lim day 1 yet?
VOTE: ccs

[Elements]

Oh my god can you please just stop
this game is becoming borderline unplayable

[Elements]

Difference is nobody can justify voting me here. Not even shooting me if gunned.

So idc how this goes down, I'm untouchable. It isn't arrogance I am talking from but confidence. You're in the weaker position, try pushing me around, you'll end up in the fire pit.

VOTE: RadtionalMadman

Can we please vote this out?

[Elements]

we got a red team yeterday, we can afford a mislim and this will get rid of any "hard bus" paranoia

[Elements]

i mean ill say it, i strongly think RM is a PR and mafia should 100% kill that slot

wink wink theres a free grovyle PR read

and if its not PR then its scum simple as that

problem solved

Fine, I role copped him and he is a JOAT

DO YOUR WORST SCUM!!!

You have helped Scum narrow down PRs massively by what you just did (unless you are Scum obviously). I am struggling to not violate the insult rule at this point. I'm not replying to you anymore.

[Elements]

i mean ill say it, i strongly think RM is a PR and mafia should 100% kill that slot

wink wink theres a free grovyle PR read

and if its not PR then its scum simple as that

problem solved

Fine, I role copped him and he is a JOAT

DO YOUR WORST SCUM!!!

You have helped Scum narrow down PRs massively by what you just did (unless you are Scum obviously). I am struggling to not violate the insult rule at this point. I'm not replying to you anymore.

I would think, of all players, you would understand that this was a joke

224

[Elements]

Nothing makes some as easy to read as the difference between town that resents you Vs scum that does.

Except you red read me
So I know at least some of your reads are wrong

[Elements]

UNVOTE:

[Elements]

UNVOTE:

You won't be NKed next night.

<3

[Elements]

224

I hate you haha

<3

[Elements]

I'll do some reading this evening

[Elements]

I am tired of pretending i know how to play mafia can you just case it

cases are for nerds

I literally play dnd

and does anyone make cases in DnD? didnt think so

I make cases for why I should be able to do dumb stuff

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

1. Elements
   
2. DrippingGoofball
   
3. DrNickRiviera
   
4. RationalMadman
   Elements
   
5. Grovyle in a Fedora

I wish I had replaced RM but alas I am but one

[Elements]

I'll do some reading this evening

this didn't happen but here's a list

Would be willing to vote:
DrippingGoofball
Hu Tao
Black
camelCasedSnivy
Gibdo

Don't want to vote:
DrNickRiviera
Enchant
Grovyle in a Fedora
ActionDan
Thomith

[Elements]

Alright elements get out your shot clock

if I don't does that mean I have no time limit?

[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

Anyway don't touch that one DGB, Gibdo off limits

Such weird movement around Gibdo....yet I don't know if I agree more with elements or Dan here

Like I feel like the hooded claim is very convenient......but is also very easily counter claimed, so would scum take that chance?

There's nothing convenient about it. It clearly happened. Aside from the fact it's rather cold blooded and unnecessary if Gibdo were scum to kill his irl friend that town read him D1 (and also a known powerless role), Gibdo has been town independently, obviously so.

Didn't realise Gibdo had claimed hooded and Dan raises some good points
You're off the can vote for list

[Elements]

Klick you're at e-1

[Elements]

UNVOTE:

I forgot you were in this game

[Elements]

VOTE: klick

[Elements]

I find elements curious.

Lots of people do
I'm an enigma

[Elements]

I find elements curious.

4 hours for letting player claim?
Ummmm. I mean yeah, then said player rushed to claim tracker.


It feels staged?

I agree. Elements could be scum

:eyeroll:

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

I think this is the most viable

Why am I red team?

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

I think this is the most viable

Why am I red team?

Process of elimination. And you are similar to when we played a game and you were scum

Which game?

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

I think this is the most viable

Why am I red team?

Process of elimination. And you are similar to when we played a game and you were scum

Which game?

The werewolf one

Similar in what way?

[Elements]

Let me say that in a more blunt way
What are the similarities?

[Elements]

I think knowledge that I'm town makes reading back on today's interactions a potentially fruitful experience for those who are convinced this slot is scum
As opposed to them carrying that prejudice through the next day or two

I think hu is more likely to flip red than you

[Elements]

Why

Read on me feels fake

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

I stall this time.

Do you actually think I'm red team?

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

Still just vibes?
VOTE: hu

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

I think this is the most viable

Why am I red team?

Process of elimination. And you are similar to when we played a game and you were scum

Idk just vibes. In your town game you were doing less too

I see
Truly an unbreakable case

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

Still just vibes?
VOTE: hu

I already explained you're different than the town game and similar to the scum game

can you link these?

Here's teh werewolf one, idk which one the other one is
viewtopic.php?t=92097

[Elements]

VOTE: Elements

Still just vibes?
VOTE: hu

I already explained you're different than the town game and similar to the scum game

can you link these?

Here's teh werewolf one, idk which one the other one is
viewtopic.php?t=92097

is there one where you dont replace in

All my games are in my sig, I sent you that one because it's the one Hu said I'm similar to in this game

[Elements]

I'm pretty sure Hu is at e-1

Enchant?