Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Well it was a loud ability. Idk how many ways you can flip it.

Yeah, so she could have just claimed the redirection parts, not mention anything about dying if her target dies, then just never shot anyone she's targetting. If she's scum she'd have had to specifically suicide into Clownpiece instead of taking a shot at Aya/Koishi or something

Then it’s just a wasted ability no?

As scum I'd argue having a wasted ability is better than actively killing yourself with your ability, idk about you

But they don’t….they just come back.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

And look good doing it, that’s the point of doing it.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Kagerou not to pull you off the dai/yuuka team but what do you think about kaguya?

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Evens/odds is only like a marginal advantage/disadvantage. And probably wouldn’t be my main concern.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Kaguya, did yuuka/dai’s timing on when dai came back to thread not bother you at all?

I’ve been mulling over it for awhile now.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Evens/odds is only like a marginal advantage/disadvantage. And probably wouldn’t be my main concern.

Even/odds is the difference between having 1 conftown in 5p and having 0 conftown in 5p

That’s what marginal means yes.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Dai came back after yuuka publicly voiced concern about who clownpiece was in the hood with. Dai came back like immediately after.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Hey team.

I'm uh, in pretty bad shape IRL health wise.

I'm not gonna have brain cells for this game until maybe this evening at the soonest.

I'm trying to follow along but my mind is super cloudy. I did want to note that the no elim scenario, my role protects against all non killing scum actions to my target as well. It's in my claim from before, wolf lass. Go look that up I can't find it on my mobile device right now. I also resolve before blocks. So it's a super bodyguard not a traditional one.

Feel better soon. Unless you kill me here, then feel bad but also better.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Dai came back after yuuka publicly voiced concern about who clownpiece was in the hood with. Dai came back like immediately after.

What's your point?

I was curious why it never even crossed your mind as suspicious.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yuuka makes the public realization that the clownpiece hood is unclaimed, dai pops back in with the knowledge you were in the hood with clown and drops a vote. It would be suspicious if I were you. It doesn’t involve me and I made note of it timing wise.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I guess I could have coordinated with them.
But then I spent hours faking ignorance when apparently, I knew the whole time what they were discussing and what their roles were.
That would be hard to fake and come off as unnatural.
If you think how I was posting was unnatural there, I'd be pretty surprised.

That’s fair.

So this is the crossroads I’m at. Dai is still on the outside of my townreads.

I’m not too invested in yuuka/dai

I think kaguyas behavior comes off scummy, but a S/S hood with dai also doesn’t make sense to me. Not to mention they could just not mention the hood at all if so.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yuuka makes the public realization that the clownpiece hood is unclaimed, dai pops back in with the knowledge you were in the hood with clown and drops a vote. It would be suspicious if I were you. It doesn’t involve me and I made note of it timing wise.

Still not getting why this is suspicious, do you think other people weren't having the realization of "everyone checked in and no one has claimed the hood -> either Dai or scum were in the hood" just without posting it?

Idk maybe it’s just we have different styles. There’s a bigger thing that I can’t wrap my head around and it’s your handling of dai. I can’t imagine you were that sure of dai!town when this plan was being made if you were willing to omit or withhold info between the hoods. But things like not being put off by the yuuka/dai timing comes off like you were already in the town!dai camp.

So it doesn’t line up to me, I can’t get behind the thinking.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I guess I could have coordinated with them.
But then I spent hours faking ignorance when apparently, I knew the whole time what they were discussing and what their roles were.
That would be hard to fake and come off as unnatural.
If you think how I was posting was unnatural there, I'd be pretty surprised.

That’s fair.

So this is the crossroads I’m at. Dai is still on the outside of my townreads.

I’m not too invested in yuuka/dai

I think kaguyas behavior comes off scummy, but a S/S hood with dai also doesn’t make sense to me. Not to mention they could just not mention the hood at all if so.

Aw, it's like seeing me 2 days ago.

I’m chugging along fast as I can

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Hey it says 4 votes to kill so am I just dead???

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

VOTE: Marisa
Fingers crossed then

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Is this just the first time we’ve had more than 2 people active? lol

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So I have 2 pieces of information, kind of. Kaguya targeted themselves last night. Doesn’t make them not!scum it just makes them not the one performing nightkills.

This also means either scum can’t roleblock anymore OR kaguya is the roleblocker and blocked themselves.

I haven’t looked back on the claims list but I think it can be narrowed down since multiple spell cards can’t be used the same night. Actives can be used with spell cards though.

Mech mommy tell me what it means.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Oh hi there.

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I’m not sure how to interpret Reisen’s am I dead? Post. I see that Marisa voted them then popped their ability so I get where they’re coming from. From that angle

I’m not sure if that’s the natural town response to that, since a town’s person usually would throw suspicion somewhere if they weren’t sure or struggle in some manner, perhaps with a read’s list or something. I think there may be an angle of possible relief and vague amusement in their fingers crossed post. But that’s reading into them, when it’s just not really there.

Someone said she was quadvoter, I checked the vc and it said 4 votes to kill so I just thought I was dead. I don’t think it needs to be said to kill Marisa after I flip. Which clears you if they had flipped scum but. We’re here instead.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

And just like that Aya has gone from 50/50 to 66% chance of hitting scum.

Is it even possible to win here if Reisen is town. I don’t know if they can show they’re town tbh.

Reisen, sup?

Sup ._.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Hypothetical:

Reisen: if you’re town the scum team is exactly Kagerou/Kaguya. If you look into it you may be able to put the pieces together. I can’t because I’m not you.

Kaguya: if you’re town the scum team is exactly kagerou/Kaguya. Why are you going after Kagerou first?

Kagerou: if you’re town the scum team is exactly Kaguya/Reisen. If you can, I hope that clicks for you.

The fact I can fit with any team, you included, seems intentional, no?

I can look into kagerou, don’t think you have to sell me that hard on kaguya. Even if you’re scum one of them is as well. I can do this.

Again I think day 1 is when I felt most grounded in this game, so it mostly comes down to do I think scum was playing around the wagons because they were all on town or was larva shifting to save kagerou.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Why did Reisen drop off after day one?
They acknowledge they did.
But no reason given(?).

Work mostly, and then I was behind and out of touch, then work again. Koichi yelling at me kinda helped.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Loading kagerou.exe

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Making a readlists cause reading the thread is not working out

Besties

Marisa Kirisame - I could go into details but like she's just being obvtown

Eternity Larva - The second obvtown slot

Kaguya Houraisan - A common feeling i have with Kaguya posts is that she's making them for herself and not really for an audience, her overall play has also been decently protown

Reisen Udongein Inaba - maintaining that the Ascetic claim is prolly town, some individual posts like 314 or 313 i really like

Headpats

Ichirin Kumoi - I liked how sie played around the flashwagon, i hear the points about it sounding like TMI / scum anger

Yuuka Kazami - not saying that rude 100% equal good but she certainely feels confident in what she's doing

Koishi Komeiji - acting mildly towny

For later

Sanae Kochiya - Scum leaning but that read is on hold for either substantial agreement / me seeing something more direct to push

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson eyebrow

Aya Shameimaru - struggling to read through the gimmick right now

Tenshi Hinanawi - ok so maybe this is more a null read but like i kinda completely forgot who this was so not the greatest look i think

Shoot on sight

Clownpiece - I'm starting to really feel dumb for this read but clown piece is playing like how i feel a good scum player would play, will elaborate more but right now i'm not in the mood

Daiyousei - I guess i thought she had more posts than she did but under the gimmick there isn't a lot of info, her recent 349 i don't really know what to make of it so that's a work for future Kagerou

Didn’t mean to quote post before I got all the ones I wanted to hit on.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

That’s not how you multi quote posts apparently.

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What does everyone think about Yuuka's claim? I'm kinda on the side of thinking it's more likely to be a scum role

i feel the opposite

what makes you think that claim comes from scum?

It's just too on the nose to be a credible miller-type basically? Like,

no one is gonna belive that's an actual real result

, and as such it kinda defeats the purpose to give it to town. Of course i'm getting into modWIFOM territory here but at the very least i disagree that it's clearing her in any way

ofc flavor reasons probably mean the claim is true, but it doesn't indicate it's town

The Kagerou Townblock Trio :

Marisa / Kaguya / Reisen

i swear i have my reasons

Yeah, I had assumed uh, that you were the one person whose role did not match their name.

Mod responded to me and told me they couldn’t tell me if that was the case.

Given that flavor and role seem pretty closely linked it’s not a waste of time to understand/get a footing there, in addition, there’s alignment juice there in how people interact with the information on the topic.

Uh. So what exactly is the mod trying to clarify with their note?

I think we maybe should keep role analysis for later

Let's vote any of
VOTE: Aya Shameimaru
VOTE: Koishi Komeiji
VOTE: Kaguya Houraisan
VOTE: Ichirin Kumoi
VOTE: Daiyousei

There are probably two scum in this pool.

VOTE: Daiyousei

let's see where this goes

methinks we have exactly one scum in {me / Koishi / Reisen / Yuuka}

Can't really put it into words but Ichirin's reaction to the wagon feels extremely towny

Yuuka while maybe i'm reading too much into her natural mindset probably doesn't push a townie like that, this

could

be theater but i'm not thinking about that until a flip

and call me tunneled if you want but it really feels like clown is not pushing Ichirin in good faith

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

- Townie, also indicates they didn’t know about flavor/alignment not being tied together

- rule of three relevant for kaguya/kagerou

- Anti-fishing town indicative

-ehh this isn’t all that interesting I only added it since kaguya was involved in the pool Marisa offered and kagerou went elsewhere.

-dunno why they added themselves. I did like the theorycrafting and it wasn’t like malicious to push an angle, it didn’t really go anywhere.

-with the context of the 1v1 how likely is it scum!kagerou completely 180s on Ichirin? Genuine question I don’t remember if it was omgus, that kinda changes how I view it but I’ll get there at some point ig.

Also the readslist with larva(scum), kaguya(potential partner), myself(potential partner ig) is really bold. Not where I’d look for partner equity in general.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

That’s cheeky I didn’t consider that.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Kagerou what is the obfuscation part of your role again?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Why are you looking at Kagerou first Reisen?

Cuz I could easily vote kaguya and not feel that bad about it. Also kinda think kagerou is just town. So I guess I’m looking for a reason to townread you via kagerou in a way? If I’m wrong that’s where I’m wrong so that’s where my focus is.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Booting kagerou.exe back up.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Making a readlists cause reading the thread is not working out

Spoiler:

Besties

Marisa Kirisame - I could go into details but like she's just being obvtown

Eternity Larva - The second obvtown slot

Kaguya Houraisan - A common feeling i have with Kaguya posts is that she's making them for herself and not really for an audience, her overall play has also been decently protown

Reisen Udongein Inaba - maintaining that the Ascetic claim is prolly town, some individual posts like 314 or 313 i really like

Headpats

Ichirin Kumoi - I liked how sie played around the flashwagon, i hear the points about it sounding like TMI / scum anger

Yuuka Kazami - not saying that rude 100% equal good but she certainely feels confident in what she's doing

Koishi Komeiji - acting mildly towny

For later

Sanae Kochiya - Scum leaning but that read is on hold for either substantial agreement / me seeing something more direct to push

Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson eyebrow

Aya Shameimaru - struggling to read through the gimmick right now

Tenshi Hinanawi - ok so maybe this is more a null read but like i kinda completely forgot who this was so not the greatest look i think

Shoot on sight

Clownpiece - I'm starting to really feel dumb for this read but clown piece is playing like how i feel a good scum player would play, will elaborate more but right now i'm not in the mood

Daiyousei - I guess i thought she had more posts than she did but under the gimmick there isn't a lot of info, her recent 349 i don't really know what to make of it so that's a work for future Kagerou

How confident are you about your reads? Because I have an offer for you if you are not that confident. Wait! *gasp*

You called your top tier "besties"! I love it! High fiveeeeee!

But if you are going to call Kaguya your bestie, please explain to me why! I want to have the same friends as you!

i'll admit, my Kaguya read is based a lot on her early posting, right now it's a little less interesting but not actively scummy either, i'm happy keeping her where she is

So, to tell the full story that's this post that's made me townbin her at first

Spoiler:

UNVOTE:

Kaguyas vote on me feels the worst given they pursued a similar line of thought, although mine was seemingly unclear.

There's a key assumption you're making here that's leading you astray.

Regardless my question for Clownpiece was focused more on why those numbers came up while yours was focused on why she knew about flavor not matching to account names in the first place

It's this combination of confident / self-centered / interrogative / focused that tickles my brain

Spoiler:

The Kagerou Townblock Trio :

Marisa / Kaguya / Reisen

i swear i have my reasons

I believe the youngsters these days would describe this as "absolutely cooked"

Also you're probably

not

in the scum PT

?

Their scum partners would explain what clownpiece was talking about.

I can count on one hand the number of games here where people actually use the scum chat enough for this to have happened

I think this is a post from a very towny frame of view for instance, both in the way she's criticizing my townread of her (ie not saying that i'm wrong but not really eager to buy it either)
The indirect tone also view of genuienly trying to recall how it went, and not like, her potentially having a scum PT right in front of her to take example from

and also i know that sounds dumb but like

I'm town

town points for claiming town

anyways my current vote pool is daiyousei / tenshi / Aya

And what path is that? ~_~

teehee

You get a pass for a day phase, but if you suddenly start pushing near the end of the day and they don’t flip scum I’m tunneling you.

it would be so funny if i did

you're really making me wanna do it Yuuka

actually hmmm

one thing i find weird is how Marisa didn't include Tenshi in her vote pool

VOTE: Tenshi

-could probably go deeper on this post but just calling someone town because they claimed town is a super town thing to do

- in general you’d expect scum to throw a bone and put a partner in here. But I think this ties in with the last quote in regards to tenshi.

-more for yuuka being prophetic and then just not following through.

-establishes the tenshi shot from their pov.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

So some things I like that haven’t been quoted but happened in between what I’ve reread in their iso.

The upwards progression on clown. They hit on some of the same thoughts I had towards clown at the time but were still willing to have a back and forth with them and ended up on the other side of their initial read. I think that’s what flipped my read on kagerou day 1 as well we just kinda had the same approach to slots. Clown specifically.

Also the reconsideration on ichirin. Because it doesn’t make sense for me that kagerou was willing to defend ichirin against multiple slots to then throw themselves in a 1v1 considering the paper trail.

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Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.

Reisen why am I scum?

I think you’re moving too sly for town. Even your analogy for playing chess here, it just really fits your M.O.

I had issue with you playing positionally before and it hasn’t changed now that you’re openly admitting to playing positionally.

I think you’re moving with intention in a non town way. Things like treating yuuka as town in your actions (specifically the yuuka callout, dai response/revive) while saying things like you’re evaluating them or calling them scum mechanically.

Things like skating around me because I feel like you will absolutely need my vote in an eLo situation but you can still pivot out if like, another town gives you enough leeway.

Dunno enough about make to make a claim of manipulation but would also fit the M.O.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Cuz I’m town.

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I’m scumread by everyone but I could be partners with anyone…even aya! I’m biased but that should suggest that I don’t have a side playing for me to live.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

So I think, in general my reads this game have been very accurate. Which normally would be a pretty big threat for scum. But I’m aware of my game presence via game absence and that makes it really easy to discredit or just talk over me. My reads or statements just don’t have that sticking power.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Nobody thinks you're scum partners with Aya.

Town….town partners.

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I’m scumread by everyone but I could be partners with anyone…even aya! I’m biased but that should suggest that I don’t have a side playing for me to live.

Kaguya is pretty much, as you say, playing positionally, they do not wish to kill you this day phase.
They also, refuse to directly scum read you. You're a PoE and you appear to be staying there for them.
This does not seem to have done them any favors in terms of your suspicion of them.

If you’re town. Who do you think is easier to strongarm in 3p?

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So I think, in general my reads this game have been very accurate. Which normally would be a pretty big threat for scum. But I’m aware of my game presence via game absence and that makes it really easy to discredit or just talk over me. My reads or statements just don’t have that sticking power.

Normally, scum have bigger fish to fry immediately with koshi/Aya clearing themselves after the first day. Your presence and reads is not likely to tip the needle in terms of choice of nk compared to playing around Koishi/Aya.

Probably, but aya is still here. N1 yeah Koishi was the target but for being the 2 clears from d2 Koishi lived a good while.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.

Typo?

?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

So I think, in general my reads this game have been very accurate. Which normally would be a pretty big threat for scum. But I’m aware of my game presence via game absence and that makes it really easy to discredit or just talk over me. My reads or statements just don’t have that sticking power.

Normally, scum have bigger fish to fry immediately with koshi/Aya clearing themselves after the first day. Your presence and reads is not likely to tip the needle in terms of choice of nk compared to playing around Koishi/Aya.

This reinforces kaguya a little more for me. Clown died either for claiming (kaguya/…..I think Marisa?) had that claim info.

Or the combination of clown having a loud voice/good reads. Or the ability to get to the correct reads and hold up scum. So.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.

Typo?

?

Why in the world would you TR me?

I’ve made like 3 quote reviews, I’ve talked about my reads on your slot I’m pretty sure each of the days I was active in.

Scumreading me isn’t going to change my view since…well everyone is doing that already and ya can’t all be scum.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Kaguya/You.

But this is unique to me. In that I would not let Kaguya back out of their town read of me.
I think Kaguya might be easier than you, simply because I tend to come off as to aggressive/arm twisty and I wouldn't consider myself super persuasive in the context of getting someone to reconsider. I also get fed up pretty quick.

Sorry I meant from kaguya perspective between myself and you.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Reisen, why haven't you commented on the thematic elements/roles this game much?
You're a touhou fan, right?

Nope, I’m aware of touhou, never played. But I’ve seen reisen before in a show. That’s where my knowledge ends.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Hard to know from their perspective, in reality, just based on your posts this day phase, I'd say I'd be easier to convince than you. This is mainly because while I've been kind of panic posting about topics or issues in their play that concern me, you've just kind of been silo'd up and saying, essentially, "yep, Kaguya looks like scum to me"
There's not much room to argue with that. I'm engaging in a way you aren't they asked you 3 times to case them before you responded.
Like, what is scum Kaguya going to do with that?

Fair, I’m not likely to readjust.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Kaguya, I’m free tomorrow, I saw you wanted some real time interaction and I’ll meet you halfway if you need a specific time window.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

What was the point you were trying to make by asking me that question?
What did you think I'd say?

It was commentary on what kaguya!scums win route looks like.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Specifics, please. Not generalities. What were you, precisely, trying to get at?

That if you are town, kaguya needs a slot they can manipulate and a pivot.

So i think kaguya was trying to make Marisa and myself a 1v1 mechanically. Then backed out with the flavor stuff. Marisa made it a 1v1 with you instead I guess. Then kaguya comes in today to avoid me mostly. I’d already spoken about being in the air about you/kaguya having one. So the assumption coming into the day is there is wiggle room with me.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Even more specifically if you’re the other townie think they need to get into your head vs a lim option that’s relatively easy to push through. Barring a paranoia vote scenario.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Think it’s more of an unknown. Plus the added wrinkle of one side is already on board with the other being town. I don’t think it would be easier to navigate.

I think you would be harder to lim for scum than either of me or kagerou but me and kagerou in 3p together is a tougher situation.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Reisen, why haven't you commented on the thematic elements/roles this game much?
You're a touhou fan, right?

Nope, I’m aware of touhou, never played. But I’ve seen reisen before in a show. That’s where my knowledge ends.

Didn't you have to list out multiple touhou characters when signing up?

Yep. I went to the wiki and picked characters I thought were cool. So I learned a little bit I guess.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Hi, I have a compulsive urge to be the hero so I decided to replace into a 250 page anonymous theme game. Can I get a rundown of relevant claims/mech info I need to know?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Essentially I am confirmed town and deciding who dies today, and then people figure it out in F3.

You gotta convince me you are town today and find 2 scum in Yuuka Kagerou Kaguya.

Okay, that clarifies things much more. Why are you confirmed town?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

K, fair enough.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

From a skim of the last few pages I can see my slot is more or less unilaterally scumread, tells me scum see this as the game winning miskill. I don't expect this to be convincing but as a general principle in this type of situation, when everyone is agreeing to a kill they are almost always going to be town. A scum slot being pushed in XYLO is usually going to hae at least some level of hesitation associated with it but the easy miskills usually have nothing defensible about them. Obviously I benefit from knowing my own alignment, but yeah.

also i'm gonna tell you both this, like right now

the other 2 aren't playing.

i'm jsut ruling out Yuuka/Kaguya as a possible team entirely. At MOST one of you is scum. If you're both scum, town has lsot this game anyway because Reisen and Kagerou both just don't wanna be here anymore.

Also this - I cannot claim to have conclusive reads on anyone's alignment, but knowing my own alignment here and the gamestate I'd say youve got it exactly backwards. Given we're on Day 5 and no one has killed scum that points a lot more reliably toward conscious manipulation of the gamestate by scum over a potato team doing. Because while sometimes gamse happen where a potato team wins by doing nothing and having town kill itself, they're pretty rare IME. If you reach this point in the game it's usually because someone has been consciously moving you toward ad kills. Again - no conclusions on anyone's alignment but think your logic here is backwards.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

For you especially Reisen, I am conf town because I had every option to murder your slot while we looked for replacement by just saying you die today given I decide who dies. From your PoV you are town so if I were scum here I would essentially just be delaying the game for no reason.

It's a lot to ask from you especially when I am making the final choice today ANYWAY but...

The more you read and give opinions the more it helps me figure this shit out so.

Try hard away, if you can.

I'm a big fan of lost causes so I'll do my best here

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I'm getting tired of waiting for stuff to happen this game. Aya if your kill today is Reisen can you just speed things along and save GIF the trouble of finding a replacement to a 250 page uPick?

Will say in particular though that this feels like someone who is anxious to accelerate the day and end the game and doesn't want a replacement coming in and creating problems for them. I know my predecessor targeted them with their spellcard to make them self target, but yeah. Gut ping.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Game reads significantly faster when I can ignore 90% of the posts on a page, at any rate. Finding one town in 3 people isn't so bad.

Initial impression based on the first ~15 pages is Kagerou looks the towniest and Kaguya/Yuuka are both posting in molds I can easily see scum fitting into. Kagerou there seems to be a mindset of actually trying to figure things out, while Kaguya is unmemorable and Yuuka goes off on what feels like a fairly uncharitable push toward Ichirin.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

eh i'm not really feeling the Ichirin votes

the below post reads as a genuine town reaction to the sudden burst of votes

Oh. I look away for a few minutes and by the time I post again there's 3 people on me.

and while i can see where Ichirin could be perceived as nitpicking at my unexplained read i don't think it was such an outrageous thing to point out. the amount of criticism sie's receiving for it feels incongruent and unwarranted

Koishi's questions from the last page (266 and 270) are contributing to the pile on and egging on the criticism without looking like a genuine attempt to ascertain Ichirin's alignment

and Yuuka specifically felt like she entered into that engagement deliberately looking for a fight by calling Ichrin's posts bad multiple times for reasons i cannot gather from reading the last couple pages

it feels icky in multiple places

VOTE: Koishi Komeiji

i should go back and remember why i was townreading Yuuka outside the initial miller claim

of Clown, Yuuka, and Koishi, i think Koishi looks the worst by a large margin

and deserves more votes for their transgressions

Also caught my eye. Progression to throw shade but divert pressure away.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Reisen can you elaborate on your 'ew' pile? Our reads seem to align in that regard but i want to know why you feel that way

Reisen can you elaborate on your 'ew' pile? Our reads seem to align in that regard but i want to know why you feel that way

They aren’t going to be for the same reasons cuz I’m super selfish and the world revolves around me but.

I thought kagerou putting me in their town core off just my ascetic claim was super weird. Marisa piggybacked on but I get their mindset because I’m also predisposed to town reading lighthearted jokey slots especially early in games. So reads genuine.

Kagerous read felt more like my name was thrown in there for the out of the box factor, because that’s just what townies do.

Dai felt more upset that I was being considered townie for doing nothing and I could see that as more scum frustration. So could I can see multiple worlds there.

I don’t think they are together.

i guess i'd join a Kagerou wagon too but i think that read deserves more thought and reevaluation than i am currently capable of

Seems a pretty clear pocket attempt though of course I'm biased, the "i want to know why you feel that way" having the effect of making my predecessor do work to earn Larva's trust. The fact it ends with vting Dai but going "eh, I could do Kagerou maybe" is

noted

.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Ah shit I think I know who Kaguya's main is.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I wasn't expecting to even recognize anyone but it just sort of happened and it's going to be coloring my read because I think they're an extremely capable scum player.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

i will be fairly inactive through Monday, other than a few opportunities to post here and there

i plan to reread the game upon my return because i am concerned i have too many townreads and the people i've been not-town reading keep saying things that make me doubt myself which is annoying

i am feeling good about Clownpiece, Sanae, and Marisa for town, in that order

Ichirin is also close to this tier but not quite to the level of the three listed above, for the townie reaction to their wagon that Koishi is still desperately trying to get me to concede could come from scum

i am leaning town on Yuuka still but to be fair this read probably deserves more in depth reevaluation

Tenshi had a solid and imo townie defense to some pressure earlier but has done next to nothing since, so gun-to-head town but i will need more from her to cement that one way or another

Kaguya, Reisen, and Aya are slots i feel nothing about and will be one of my focuses upon reread. i will say i had even had some townpings from Reisen and Aya but nothing strong enough in either direction to make me commit

Dai and Koishi continue to mirror each other when it comes to how i feel about them, as indicated preivously, their early questions and one-off posts came across as surface level and a way to look engaged with the game without contributing anything. however Koishi has dulled that suspicion a bit with our interaction about Ichirin (even though i am growing irritated with being asked the same question in different ways over and over again >_<).

on a similar note i thought Dai's most recent post was great and conveyed the thoughts i found difficult to articulate about Kagerou. basically Koishi and Dai's body of work overall leans scum, but there have been a couple glimmers of towny-ness that shake my confidence

My only fairly solid scum read at this point is Kagerou and even that's pretty...loose? there are some posts that made me feel good on a tone level but i agree with Dai about the bulk of the ISO is pretty fluffy and i see Kagerou has over fifty posts but their actual impact this game does not at all correlate with what i expect based on their high level of activity

from what i can tell there also hasn't been much in terms of reads outside of the Clownpiece scum read (i now see the reads list provided with some interesting takes that i will look into more when i return) which she pretty much refused to elaborate on, and the reasoning she did provide also never sat well with me to begin with and came from the first page. it's difficult for me to buy that into the fact that her opinion on Clownpiece has not changed or evolved since the beginning of the game, especially since Clownpiece is my largest town read, which leads me to believe she is just holding onto it because she needs a strong opinion that goes against the grain

those are all my thoughts for now, please feel free to poke at or ask questions about anything. i am thinking this will be a game where i focus on identifying and locking in town reads and just pushing to eliminate within 'what's left'

VOTE: Kagerou Imaizumi

Given the timing and positioning of this it feels pretty unaligning. Possible Larva was attempting to bus and failing but given threadstate it feels pretty pivotal - momentum on Kagerou was real enough, bussing would be a conscious choice where from what I gather Larva had enough influence they could have pressured elsewhere. I think the general noncommittal nature of the push is setting up for it being a town flip - in general I'd expect a bus to show a little higher confidence level than what was shown.

Only note of hesitation is that if I'm right on Kaguya they'd absolutely bus a partner in that spot on Day 1. But most wouldn't. That's WIFOM at best though.


Got to admit 385 is a big oof regardless of alignment, but. Most scum aren't usually that bold with their reads. One of those cases where having meta would be a significant help.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Reisen, Marisa have gone up slightly.

I have reservations about larva. But it’s probably paranoia.

Samae being in a neighborhood with Marisa doesn’t make me feel better or worse.

mmm

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

@Kagerou i know you said reading the thread is difficult right now but i am most interested in your detailed reads on Clownpiece and Sanae when you get around to it

well i'd like to preface my Clownpiece read by the fact that i think i'm just not in a position to push people this game so my plan right now is to be a bit more laid back and act smug about it when she flips scum

firstly, that whole argument about numbers and all just kinda dragged on and on and in the end i don't think we even got anything out of it?

then, i get being curious about account generation, but the fact that :
- she went ahead and went with straight up numbers
- those numbers don't really match up with what other people have been told

makes me seem she was worried about finding something to start things off while also not caring very much about asking

Spoiler:

i'd rather keep it vague for now but on top of not looking like they're solving (which granted maybe that's just how i view things) they've been trying to distract people from pushing fowards the game

I had a town lean on page one, and I that has grown to 4. 4 reads on page 7 seems like a pretty solid pace to me lmao.

Also, unsure what the stopping the game from going forward even means, so :shrug:

I kinda didn't know how to put it into words at the time but like, knowing your exact number of townreads on command is weird

the reaction to Ichirin's reaction was also something that hugely bugged me, to go into reasons :

Spoiler:

I am just confused on why you don't seem interested in determining the alignment of the people who voted you.

You started by saying it was town voting you, I asked why we could not be scum voting you (the full scum team part was a joke, but that was the idea), and you responded by not even knowing who was voting you.

I would expect some level of suspicion from someone who thinks that they are currently in serious danger of being miselimed (which I already felt was an exaggerated response to 3 votes), but you actually seem completely uninterested in your voters for some reason.

Complaining that you aren't getting scrutinized certainely isn't a weird look, and while it's kinda dumb, i feel like if Ichirin called for their agressors to be scum, it would just get called OMGUS?
likewise
i'm also of the opinion that scum often looks more intensely for these sort of low involvement slip rather than town, since like, it's one of the only things town can reasonable do under pressure that is actually scummy

i'll also fully admit that this is hugely a gut read and that i'm proud of it (besides upgrading "i think this is scum" to "i think this is null at best" isn't really game advancing content here)

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As for Sanane, as i've said already, i'm suspicious of her view of Yuuka's claim, , i get she was kinda overblowing here cause blah blah early game we already don't have much info early but that's not really clearing

she's also like really passive? I get not all townies can be at the front of the stage but a lot of her content is "agreeing with other people" and "explaining why she agrees with people"

this is somewhat related but when reading the phrasing of posting, i get huge vibes of "i'm posting for others to look at me in a good light" rather than "i'm posting cause i wanna figure out what's going on"

My only fairly solid scum read at this point is Kagerou and even that's pretty...loose? there are some posts that made me feel good on a tone level but i agree with Dai about the bulk of the ISO is pretty fluffy and i see Kagerou has over fifty posts but

their actual impact this game does not at all correlate with what i expect based on their high level of activity

VOTE: Kagerou Imaizumi

btw i'm very happy with my impact on the game so far so be assured this is intended

If this is scum theater it's expert-level stuff. This all feels like Kagerou is very legitimately appealing to larva and trying to win their favor, going very in-depth into thought process etc. I can get fooled by this type of stuff but it feels significantly more in depth than I'd expect from a scum/scum interaction. A lot of this and their Kaguya read in 420 feel like they legitimately believe in it and are trying to convince people of that. If they're scum it'd be...calculated anti-distancing? Which is not a typical angle for most players. If there was less substance behind it I could see it but it parses as real enough to me.

Possible I'm just jumping to conclusions here but shrug. That's my gut feeling off the initial few pages. Sometimes this stuff is more self-evident in the early game and just gets lost in the noise of pages and pages of nonsense afterward.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Well, Reisen and Kagerou haven’t led any wagons. And at least one of those player’s is scum.

So you are at maximum half right Reisen.

Whether it’s Kaguya actively controlling the eliminations or the scum team really was just out of sight of mind is difficult to know for sure without, you know, the game ending.

Well that's speaking from your POV but I have no knowledge of your alignment at all, so it's not like I can do anything with a statement like this.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I have to stop for tonight, back with more tomorrow.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Well, Reisen and Kagerou haven’t led any wagons. And at least one of those player’s is scum.

So you are at maximum half right Reisen.

Whether it’s Kaguya actively controlling the eliminations or the scum team really was just out of sight of mind is difficult to know for sure without, you know, the game ending.

Well that's speaking from your POV but I have no knowledge of your alignment at all, so it's not like I can do anything with a statement like this.

So’s speculation on how scum approached the game.i can’t do anything with that. Unless you sell it. And you didn’t, but took time to disagree with it, probably because it suits your position.

Like, it was just an opinion, why put an opinion out there and why that particular one when you’ve got reading to do.

I mean, yes, it's a self serving argument, because I know my slot is town and me getting voted here ends the game so I'm going to say it.

I wasn't expecting to even recognize anyone but it just sort of happened and it's going to be coloring my read because I think they're an extremely capable scum player.

That’s interesting since if you play mafia much on this site you’re probably going to notice some distinctive posting.

I’m surprised you could figure out who Kaguya was given they kept it all to mech speculation and no one, on this website, does it quite that way to knowledge. Maybe they dropped a catch phrase or something very common to them that I missed.

This feels unnatural.

I mean- I can't really get into it at all. I just happened to have something *click*.

But to claim it's "unnatural" -

why would I lie about something like that

? The idea is nonsensical.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I wasn't expecting to even recognize anyone but it just sort of happened and it's going to be coloring my read because I think they're an extremely capable scum player.

If you know my main you'd also know I'm very obviously in my townrange and outside my scumrange

I simultaneously want to get into meta reads with Reisen but also don't

I mean, I'm not going to get into it with you because that is impossible, but also: haha, no.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Kagerou townreaders: pretend you're maf and you know I'm town. Is Kagerou still town in that world?

What does this even mean? If I'm mafia then I know who my teammates are, this is a nonsense question.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Unnatural meaning that your focus is in the wrong place compared to what I’d expect a player’s attention to be directed to.

A hero complex and dropping an opinion about how the scum team got here before even reading the game or how we got here is *unnatural*

Though maybe not, it kind of depends about how you think about people in general.

Rando on the street giving an opinion without understanding the first thing about it? Absolutely.

Replacement with a hero complex? I mean, you wanna look cool right, look professional, like you know what you’re doing. Ehhh I guess the the tone is right for looking cool, but. The opinion isn’t.

Why did you think unnatural was short for lie?

The accusation came specifically after the main comment, which I took to mean as I was faking that comment, which, like, why would I bother? Because otherwise it makes no sense to claim a post about

knowing someone's main

is somehow manufactured. If it's being directed at my overall commentary since my replace in: 1. that's just how i play (unverifiable but please ask yourself what sort of person replaces into a 5p ELO in a 250 page game) 2. I am working with the information that my slot is town, Aya is town, and my slot is more or less universally scumread. that gives me an obvious starting point to work from. Like where is my attention *supposed* to be directed, in your opinion?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Further than all that, I can see how the dynamic is shaping up, I can see how both of you are reacting to my posting and that gives me more data to work with and it's kind of exactly what I'd expect if I'm the necessary miselim for scum here. Maybe that's a bit too much of a martyr complex and Kagerou hasn't posted, but more or less when I replace into a slot like this I expect to get jumped on by scum because they're looking to suffocate me and don't want me posting my way out of the hole I'm in

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

It’s about where your focus is.
You prefaced your post with I wasn’t looking or expecting to find a main through meta, you then used it to say oh, this player is super good scum, I shall share this with the world. But not make any real decisions with it. You can’t even, as you say, talk about it, which puts you in a place of basically not saying anything while saying something.

You just can’t advance along those lines, I also don’t know why you commented on Kaguya specifically when there are much easier players to identify some outright used their mains and revealed them as a strategy. But you did not mention, Larvae for example.

Why would I care about Larva? I'm only reading their posts incidentally, but they're flipped scum. I'm not trying to ID solve them, sometimes I look at what they're saying for assocatives but that's about it. My focus on reading is entirely on you/Kaguya/Kagerou because you're the ones whose alignment I actually need to solve.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Further than all that, I can see how the dynamic is shaping up, I can see how both of you are reacting to my posting and that gives me more data to work with and it's kind of exactly what I'd expect if I'm the necessary miselim for scum here. Maybe that's a bit too much of a martyr complex and Kagerou hasn't posted, but more or less when I replace into a slot like this I expect to get jumped on by scum because they're looking to suffocate me and don't want me posting my way out of the hole I'm in

Context. You’re a replacement. With a slot that didn’t talk much after day 1. I also have a habit of pressuring replacements fairly hard just because I hope to crack them. I rarely do, but hope springs eternal!

Outside of ELO I'd recognize this as valid but FMPOV it's more likely you're scum who needs to push me as part of your win condition, so.

I did the same thing with Kagerou,
And after you catch up I don’t think you’ll be able to believably come up with a kaguya/Yuuka scum team.

I mean. We'll see.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

You..don’t see how knowing the main of someone who flipped scum might be helpful in figuring out their weaknesses in regards to associative tells?

No what I mean is I don't expect how or why you'd expect me to recognize that? Especially when I'm only reading maybe half their posts?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

@Reisen, that makes sense given 2/3 players talking to you are scum. When you discount Aya. But I find the general idea that the other town from your point of view would sit back and just not try to strangle you in the crib to be kind of, well, a poor generalization. Town is not more likely to be right or wrong, less or more aggressive. But, theory. Bleh.

Aight friend time.

Good luck you guys.

Be back in like 6-8 hours.

I mean.

In this spot scum has the win condition of getting town voted out. If a replacement comes in trying to shake the game up is bad for them. So they usually push hard to shut it down.

Town has a different win condition. They need to actually figure out who is town. Maybe they don't trust me, maybe they're skeptical, but I expect some lingering semblance of ~doubt~ or at a minimum trying to actually figure out my alignment. But ultimately if the town here decides to throw the game by tunneling me on replace in it's on them w/e I was just a last minute replace in.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Kagerou townreaders: pretend you're maf and you know I'm town. Is Kagerou still town in that world?

What does this even mean? If I'm mafia then I know who my teammates are, this is a nonsense question.

Ok then pretend it's Goon + Traitor and I just IC'd. I'm basically asking if you'd give a Yuuka/Reisen solve if you replaced into my slot

I don't know. I have no idea why you're scumreading my slot aside from inactivity (I assume), and it's not like I'm reading my predecessor's ISO to see how you would be reading it. Even if I were to put myself in your shoes I am biased by knwing my own role PM so that doesn't work. I'm not gonna argue you should be reading Kagerou as more town than me because. well. I am town. So I can't actually go anywhere with this hypothetical unless you're asking me to towncase myself to you but that is obviously not really possible for me.

Like, in the event you are town and Kagerou is scum then I guess I am just skill issued and jumping to bad conclusions but it does not actually change anything about my alignment.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

are you caught up Reisen?

No I slacked off today and didn't get anything done. Was planning on getting back to it now.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Reisen is that a yes or a no to the question of if your solve would be Yuuka/Reisen if you replaced into my slot. GTH read, I will take the bias

Shrug. I guess. If my predecessor really was underwhelming I get why people would be scumreading my slot.

So what's your point?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Through page 23. little of note that actually feels worth commenting on. Feels like there's some level of interactivity from Kagerou where they're throwing pointed remarks at both Yuuka and Kaguya. would have to track the progression there but still seems more town minded on first glance.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

are you caught up Reisen?

No I slacked off today and didn't get anything done. Was planning on getting back to it now.

Okay. If I stop bothering you will that help you do the reading thing. I’m very uninterested in your opinions about how scum would approach a melo situation without having read the game first.

I mean if you want to stop arguing I will get back to catching up

Me I play these games because I love making stupid fucking arguments

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Kagerou's play is very reactive. They're presenting it as a choice. But I don't really think it's townie. Getting in the way/being obstructive, while it makes them stick out, doesn't seem to be garnering any interpretable results.

I also think they're casually lying about minor things to hide themselves from scrutiny. It doesn't further the town's win condition.

1. This doesn't feel like a bus

2. It's also complete horsecrap maquerading as a scumread - a pile of words strung together with no basis in reality

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Not in a position = i'm bad at the game so it won't work out

I also felt like people just weren't viewing me in a bright light to start with, and you're kinda proving my point

Seems townie. Generally not a fallback defense for scum. Maybe a few players use this type of emotional appeal but pretty rare.


That's only page 32 but it's getting late. More tomorrow hopefully.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Oh, I thought you’d read or respond to the clarifying stuff after 734, but you didn’t.

I have very little to say about it. Those posts Exist. They give some semblance of an explanation but none that couldn't be manufactured and do not alleviate the feeling of someone throwing words on the page in order to justify a push.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

uh

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

i dunno boss it's your game, I haven't really played it at all. Like I'm not gonna blame you if you couldn't find me as town if you decide to stick to your guns

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yeah I dunno what's going on with kagerou it doesn't make sense as either alignment

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

this is a post.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

VOTE: kaguya

gg i was mafia

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Oh, with who?

kagerou lmao i was bullshitting out my ass the whole time

You could have ended the second I voted you know that right? Why slow roll lmfao

oh what? i didn't realize

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

nah jk i'm town i just felt like like messing around

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

VOTE: kagerou

yuuka if you faked that reaction as scum gg

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

What reaction?

Also, Aya visited my target which means that when Kagerou visited me and stole my flower it did indeed get them watched.

when i was fake scumclaiming after the hammer

i have no idea what the second sentence means

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

also i have 0 attachment to this game as a late sub

decided to just sheep the confirmed town rather than being a hero because i'd feel worse if i did my own thing and was wrong. would be throwing out the play of someone who actually spent time and effort on this

similarly, i'm not gonna try to argue super hard because i wasn't in this slot for 95% of the game and there's no meaningful case i can make. just read yourself and decide whatever you think is right.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

What reaction?

Also, Aya visited my target which means that when Kagerou visited me and stole my flower it did indeed get them watched.

when i was fake scumclaiming after the hammer

i have no idea what the second sentence means

I made two posts after hammer and nothing about those two posts are unique or particularly townie.

Three actually. Not that it makes much difference. You're right that there wasn't a lot to it. But I guessed that it was real and not faked.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yeah, okay. Kind of thought I’d come back to a dead room. XD.

So, I’m going to start throwing posts out there, these are open questions and you can respond to anything I mention in it.

Since activity has been less than ideal I won’t really hide which way I’m leaning like I usually would. Initially

Right now, I’m mildly confident it’s Reisen.
There are some sticking points. Mostly a sticking point in regards to Kaguya’s informed position that reisen didn’t have a role block and how weird that is for a scum partner to do and the kind of “they’re super obviously trying to attach themselves to Reisen” the counter point to that one though is that they reciprocated, Reisen was simply weird around Kaguya. It wasn’t just Kaguya being weird about Reisen. Reisen focusing on reading Kagerou without even acknowledging my concerns about them being a team is…a very strange thing for town to ignore.

It’s even generational because Reisen 2 got here and basically did the same thing. They made a case with reasons for town Kagerou and then proceeded to say “I think I know who Kaguya’s main is you guys!” And that isn’t remotely equivalent is it?

That's an oversimplification but okay. I was making points about how I thought both of you were scummy, even if I wasn't citing specific posts or anything. Which, yeah, it ended up being wrong.

I am conflicted if Kaguya was trying so hard yesterday to clinch the win because they were worried it was a house of cards that would collapse if they didn’t win now, or if their entire play yesterday was a house of cards. I’m supposed to trip over as planned.

That’s where the problem with Reisen 1 and Reisen 2 acting equally weird around Kaguya comes into play. It weakens that Kaguya was planning in the long term.

Reisen is likely just a weaker scum partner and Kaguya knew that. So it was yesterday or never.

I mean, you have to ask yourself what mafia's win condition was supposed to be. Because scum usually go into ELO with a plan of some sort and fmpov it seems obvious kaguya was hoping my slot would be the losing misvote. they didn't seem to be doing much else.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I would appreciate if you both could find time to case each other or show me what posts or actions point to good evidence the other is scum.

I could, and usually do, miss stuff.
Though, I don’t lose much at this stage of the game.

I can try but I'll be honest if you think it's my slot then just go ahead and vote me, I won't really mind, I have no stake in the outcome of this game and no accountability for anything my predecessor did.

But I'm not going to rip my heart out trying to prove Kagerou is mafia to you to have it all get ignored. Because if I were the one making the decision yesterday I likely would have gotten it wrong.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yes, mafia’s win condition yesterday was to kill Kagerou.

was kaguya pushing that?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yes, mafia’s win condition yesterday was to kill Kagerou.

was kaguya pushing that?

Yes.

fair enough, i didn't really read

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Okay, if you don’t want to try that is your prerogative.

I’m not interested in forcing you to play mafia unless it involves some guarantee I’ll listen. If affirmation is what you want out of mafia instead of getting it right for the sake of getting it right: Or winning for the sake of winning. That’s cool.

No, I just know how this tends to go. You've telegraphed your intentions.

I -did my job-. I got it right, but only because I decided it was more important to follow the word of someone who played the game far longer than I had. And honestly if the roles were reversed and I were in your shoes, I probably follow the word of the clear here as well. No resentment but don't ask me to dance for you when your mind's made up.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

don't be a fucking dick, this is exactly what i mean. you're just being insulting. you can fuck off if you think i'm going to deal with that.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Hmm. Yeah, you did spend almost your entire replace in town casing Kagerou, getting ready to scum case me and just said Kaguya is good scum which is neither here nor there.

isn't it kind of obvious that if i thought kagerou was town then kaguya would be scum by PoE? the most i had against kaguya was them shading my slot before i replaced in, and their day 1 posts were so unmemorable I didn't comment a lot. But it's not like I didn't express that read at all. But, like, I had 2 days after I replaced in basically. I was wrong, obviously. That's what happens when you try to rush reads.

Question for you reisen, if you were scum would you lurk out in melo to win a game?

Probably yeah. I'm pretty bad at scum, I've won once in the last 2 years.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I have to solve the game whether you want to solve it or not. If you don't want to cooperate, what am I to do besides say, "okay, you may sit in the corner"?

I'm not insulting you, I just don't understand where your emotional head is at.

if you told me to sit in the corner i wouldn't have a problem but stuff like "I don't know why you play mafia" is needlessly snide

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I know, but Kaguya also did PoE and usually, while I PoE my own perspective tends to flip as the game gets closer to the end.

I start with PoE and then gradually I go to traditional scum hunting and not town hunting, so it kind of confuses me when someone starts trying to use PoE in melo. I'm not sure if it's unnatural or if people naturally tend to play how I play near the end.

I won't know.

usually in that position I'm looking for the person who is town amidst the scum, because you can usually scumcase anyone but towntells are harder to fake. i say this fully aware i got it wrong.

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

whatever i'm not in the right headspace for this i'll come back later

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

VOTE: Reisen

Sorry, I just can't make it through all the way with this lizard voice in my head from Disco Elysium telling me to, "vvvote R-reisen, they're scumsss."

It just won't quit.

GG, I am very sorry if I'm wrong. It takes a lot for me to skip ahead like this. I really, genuinely, hope I did enough.

Good game.

*bites nails*

yeah i didn't feel like trying so i fucked off, knew the deck was stacked against me

i don't really know what i was trying to do though

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

gg etc

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Oh, and I'm sorry for my behavior this game. I need to learn not to snap at people or belittle them just because I'm frustrated, confused, or want them to show me that they're town.

just for the record: it's all good. i wasn't

truly

offended by what you said, i was scum, but i was playing the part and it would have offended me as town so i responded that way. i didn't really think my approach to the day through, just went with it at the spur of the mooment. i don't know why, i knew you weren't going to get swayed by AtE.

but yeah. while i think it's kind of rude i had no real reason to take offense. just wanted to clear that up.

(also, i had no idea who Kaguya was, i was talking out my ass, just felt like a thing to post to fake an "aha!" moment. which had the opposite effect of what i intended, but so it goes).