Newbie 1233: Frogs & Toads Mafia (Town Win!)

[Twistedspoon]

/confirm

Hi everyone. Nice to meet you all. I'm TS ^^

fancy introductory IC post coming tomorrow I promise. It's sorta late here in the UK. Any questions though just ask myself or the SEs here in the thread. We're here to help and all questions are welcome

In the meanwhile

VOTE: Valonde
For getting my hopes up when I first read your name and thought it was Lalonde :<

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Anyways, Glad to meet you all. Most of you I won't be familiar playing with (with the exception of VM from some horrible game in which I distinctly remember him lynching me D1. Let's hope that doesn't happen again.) but I'm very happy to meet you all. The memories of my first newbie game, 1050, still echo fresh in my head and I'm here to help you have as fun a game as I did in my first newbie game ¦D

Since this is my first time as IC since last June (well I'm in another ongoing newbie game as IC but that isn't finished) I'll be trying to follow this here guide. You don’t really need to read that, but it’s a good idea if you want to know what to expect from me this game. I will be treating this like a normal game, for the most part, except I’ll try to explain myself more than I usually would so you can at least see my thought process.

Myself and the SEs will be glad to take any questions from you about mafia at any time. There is no such thing as a dumb question. There is nothing more useless than an unasked question so go ahead ^^

Think of the IC as a teacher if you'd like. Like a teacher at school. There's always one really Awesomesauce teacher who you'd be so pleased to find out you had and all your friends would envy you because of it.

Well that's me

Well all ICs are teachers in that sense who are here to help you learn mafia and enjoy the game. It's up to you to make this IC game my favourite over the other group of newbies I'm with atm though

Anyways
The wiki is an interesting resource. It can be outdated in parts since the mafia metagame (how people play the game as town and mafia) is constantly changing but the effect of that isn't too great. However this is always a good read even if you just skim a little.

Overall you get out of mafia games what you put into them. Try to be active as it helps the town out greatly and you'll enjoy yourself far more by being active too (posting at least once every one or two days is ideal).
Playing to your win condition is key. The most important rule is to have fun though I think though

I strongly recommend that players get an avatar (little picture on their posts) if they haven't already done so. It isn't compulsory, but it helps us to remember you and associate you with your posts.

GL everyone

~TS

TS, yo! Fancy seeing you here!

yeah, I didn't expect it either. I wrongfully assumed I'd be taken off of the IC queue when I rep'd into your game.
Oh well. I'm here to stay now if you'll all have me ('◠‿◠)

Nothin' overly special, but I've picked up a couple things that I can pass on if TS ever forgets *wink wink nudge nudge*

C'mon you know I'm not a bad IC :3

And...

SPOOOOOOONGUARDDDDDD

I feel old when I don't get the internet references anymore :<

Fun Questions to one and all

1) Have you played mafia before (on MS, another site, IRC etc.)?
2) How often can we expect to hear from you (At least once per day is a good baseline) and what timezone are you?

That'll do for now methinks~

[Twistedspoon]

Anyways, Glad to meet you all. Most of you I won't be familiar playing with (with the exception of VM from some horrible game in which I distinctly remember him lynching me D1. Let's hope that doesn't happen again.)

LIES! LIES AND DECEIT, I TELL YOU!

I don't even remember what game you're talking about, anyways...

the one where you and Rayfrost were scum and got me lynched d1 as cop before I could even claim >_>

my only time ever as cop and I didn't even get to use my role u_u

(what other game could it be? If you can't remember that game then there are no others we've played in together)

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It wasn't a perfect scumgame at all... Unless the perfect scumgame relies on some VI town to go and hammer the cop before he can even claim on page 5 >_>

//rant

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Ossum. Nice to have the playerlist full now. Welcome reps ^^

(ftr what's with all the frogs?)

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VOTE: VM

Chainsaw defence gogogo

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what do you mean?

It's our job to figure out who the mafia are. 3 posts after game confirmation is a little too optimistic though~ ^^"

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TS: Oi, play now, revenge later.

which part of me isn't playing?

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Awesomesauce

1) I've played a lot of games. i've lost count in all honesty

2) GMT. UK

3) Frequently~

4) I'm sorta indifferent to each role now. I think scum is less satisfying at the endgame since a lot of townies get annoyed as for some reason they feel that they have the right to win each game. Scum can be quite fun if you enjoy manipulating though. Sadly the curse of the overworked student usually means I'm the one being exploited

5) Lurking is anti-town. Let's not do it shall we? It's scum who have reason to hide. I don't want to see townies do it at all. As for lying It's certainly case by case but if you lie about your role as a townie then you could easily mess up the game for town. Let's not even go there

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why are you overreacting to my RVS vote?

That isn't particularly indicative of town here amigo~

[Twistedspoon]

well you're trying to get me to switch my

RANDOM

vote

which clearly is troubling you. You should have nothing to fear since it's random yet at the first chance you tell me to take it off~

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Well it seems like our IC has zero interest in this game. Anyone else any idea how to get this rolling here?

dude it's been 1 day

plus you can't cry over the state of the game before we've even had all of our players. It's hardly my fault when we've still got a few to confirm

(I've been busy but if it makes you feel better I'll try and have a catchup post of my thoughts from what little there has been so far within the next 24 hours)

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For using html tags, like in the QT's. Not a bad scumslip, imo.

if they were exclusive to qts then perhaps, but they certainly are not

plus whoever uses <i> tags in mafia qts anyways? Especially pre-game?

it's an alright rvs pressure wagon I guess though

Also, RQS at least gets a lot of mouths flapping, but I've seen some people who read too much into them. On the other hand, I have seen people bust mafia day 1 based on their answers. I don't have that skill apparently.

RQS sorta destroys momentum if the wrong questions are asked. I'm fine with it for the most part though since this is a friendly newbie game and all. I don't think mafiosi can be identified just from RQS answers at all but I've been wrong before~

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c'mon VM

impatience is a towntell if anything. We both know that

and the misrepping is more likely townie frustration; scum have no motivation for that, at least not this early on.

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A lagging, mometumless game is the perfect element for scum. We both know that

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Hey, you were supposed to poke and prod people while I was at work, TS! Quit slacking and having me pick up!

Dude, I'm not the caretaker of this thread. It isn't my role to pester you to post. If you don't want to post you shouldn't be in this game. It's the mod's role to prod and mine to vote and answer questions thus far~

Besides I have that other game of yours which is too insanely active >_>

Twistedspoon:
Could you please give us a quick run-down of your reads so far? I'm particularly interested in what you think about Voidedmafia in this game, since I know you two have played together before.

I don't have any great reads at present. Larry's eagerness and your inquisitiveness could be interpreted as town I suppose. VM has also acted a bit rash and impulsive thus far I feel to be scum. However these reads are weak, premature and subject to change

I'm no expert on VM. I hardly recall our last game and he was scum then anyways so even if I could recall I have no clue what he's like as town. If he tries to get you quick-lynched on page 5 like last time I played with him though then he's probably scum

I guess what I am trying to say is that I expect from an SE or IC that they get the game rolling or atleast explain to the newbies how to do that.

usually a wagon (a collection of numerous votes on one player) provides sufficient pressure to offer momentum and get the game rolling. the distribution of votes at present seems rather too conservative and spread-out though. That coupled with a couple yet to really and vote post makes this game not the fastest in the land.

Vote Count 1-2

(as of Post 76)

Larry David (1)

- asher1611, Voidedmafia

Voidedmafia (1)

- Twistedspoon

asher1611 (1)

- Larry David

LluD (1)

- Zyx

is this Larry David vote correct as 2 =/= 1?

[Twistedspoon]

The vividly vicious individual that stands before you is a man that doesn't know the meaning of equality; his judgment swift, his arrogance and overwhelming confidence a notch too high for typical banter.

I like you. Please be town

VM's approach to TS's random vote seemed odd and peculiar. TS, does VM's response seem warranted?

eh. VM's kinda weird. I'm not sure what to say. I don't expect townies (particularly experienced ones) to directly protest against a random vote on them, but I don't see why experienced scum would express such blatant paranoia. I'm willing to forget it tbh.

You're the one who got on me for not doing anything!

did I?

You mean that open?

I detest open games, so no

Could you restate your read on me? I feel like either you missed a word or I'm missing something.

I said I feel you've been too impulsive & erratic to be scum from your early posts, but that's a

very

weak tell

Why're you blaming that on me?! Ajolin quicklynched you!

well I don't doubt that were you trying to get a quicklynch this game page 5 you would most likely be scum, no?

EBWOP: TS: Oh, wait, do you mean my modded game?

Ofc

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I wouldn't be surprised if the whole VM vs. The World thing was just a bunch of townies arguing with each other, hence my vote; there's not much the mafia could have done now.

Do you think VM's "against the world" attitude you have identified is indicative of town?

But still, are you expecting everyone to vote by this point or something?

Do I have to go and re-post my poem on Voting, VM?

[Twistedspoon]

Yum yum fish.

Do you have nothing else to say here amigo?~

I've felt I've got a fair enough read on VM for now and my vote has outlasted its stay.

VOTE: Xeph

[Twistedspoon]

probs

[Twistedspoon]

I didn't see yours

use real vote tags VM >:]

[Twistedspoon]

But, enough idle talk (I thought you were supposed to cut that down?).

ooh. Emotionally blackmailing the IC are we? (you aren't supposed to know that info ftr :<)

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hmph, that's not my fault, now is it?

But cmon, man. Get some work done.

get some work done?

What more to you want? I've given all my early game reads and there isn't any Vote-count analysis or any analysis at all to do thus far~

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@VM: I mean I've said all of my significant reads. everyone else is null at present

and there isn't much else to comment on thus far. I've given my thoughts where i felt i had some though

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#143-#150 made me chuckle

Methinks I may look at a couple of chrimi's past games and see if he's always like this

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I do not either. Then again, it's interesting to see how you have questioned multiple people in this thread but it is only Chrimi who you beat against the brick wall with. You seem very willing to move from person to person.

I don't find this nomadic nature of pressure(?) hugely suspect if I'm honest. It seems more like townie frustration.

As far as directing attention goes... I don't really know what to say

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*slaps Chrimi

Best of luck Asher. You'll be in my prayers. This game is nothing important. I hope it all works out amigo.

[Twistedspoon]

Chrimi is utterly useless but that makes me wonder if he'd too scummy to be scum

I guess he'll be needing lynching at some point though

VOTE: chrimi

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@Chrimi- I don't understand your play-style You seem to not really care if you get lynched or something else but I'm not sure. I don't see much of a reason to vote unless it gets near the end of the day.

That's because you haven't played with a non-V/LA Chrimi.

I don't have time to think right now >.>

dude, just rep out if you don't have the time~

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well my vote is staying on your crimi unless we get some SE-worthy content

[Twistedspoon]

VM's ISO reads town...
Twisted is more of a... Nullish town?
Although, if one is scum, it wouldn't be far fetched to think the other one is.

last line. why?

Ack, Xephoria is setting off alarms in my head.

for being busy?

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I only just realise Cirno rep'd into this game. She hasn't posted yet has she?

But I'm stoked that she is here. My first ever SE and easily one of best ones I've played with. I just hope I don't start playing again like I did in the newbie 1050 days, although they were probably my most enjoyable ones ^^"

Hey Cirno! Please be town this time

uys were talking earlier, but I afterwards digressed from my point saying "But they're probably just two old-timers who have had wayyyy too much fun together >.>"

wow I feel old now .u.

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plus we've only been in a prior game together for about 5 pages

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sorry, I meant to post earlier but I was having an hour long chat with someone on omegle about Paul McCartney. Crazy world eh? =s

Yeah, I'm happy to put crimi in the town roster for now seeing as his activity has picked up and his thoughts seem more or less coherent. His name still means Criminal in italian though and that keeps me on my toes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I reaaaly want to hear from Cirno. She's probably making a rougelike or something knowing her ^^
I'd hate for her having to rep out though before I could say Hi u_u
(p-edit. Oh dear. there goes the amazing reunion)

One of Twisted and Voided are scum.

isn't that basically what crimi said?

VM's ISO reads town...
Twisted is more of a... Nullish town?
Although, if one is scum, it wouldn't be far fetched to think the other one is.

VM's ISO reads town...Twisted is more of a... Nullish town?Although, if one is scum, it wouldn't be far fetched to think the other one is.

The sequence of 143-150, and other empty posts from Chrimi makes me lean town on him for some reason, I just don't see why scum would post like that.

too scummy-to-be-scum is an unreliable tell (especially in a newbie game) but I think you may have got the right impression here. I considered it too but felt crimi needed pressure to stop empty posting (and it worked for the most part I like to think)

3) Every day I'll probably be posting multiple times. My job is at the computer all day, I have time between program compiles.

pssh. Use a first-generation language

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ah, my mistake

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I'm concerned that Twistedspoon doesn't think it necessary to respond to either my nor your accusations. VOTE: TwistedSpoon Give us more information for to be pleasing.

well what do you want me to tell you amigo? =s

Your reads seem fair enough. I have a few issues with it perhaps (such as how I'm more red-flag worthy than xeph) but nothing major really

I want to hear from Bonooru myself

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Wowzers. This is clearly your doing VM. Whenever I'm with you I always get myslynched early game. Not cool bro

anyways I get the content out tonight. I've just gotta head to school now.

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Fridays are never much fun for me. i do so many extra subjects I have to have lessons in my lunchtimes. That combined with a stressful 90 minute driving lesson being gridlocked in Greater Manchester does not make for a fun start to the weekend.
Anyways

I havent read through any other games on this site but I was having the same question. I think that It is normal because most of the games have the majority of players in them as vanilla townies. This way people can vote and have a higher chance of getting scum, whereas if we were to start with a night, we would have the potential at getting an investigation but the cop wouldnt want to tell us the results because then they would probably be killed by the mafia.

yeah, we tend not to NL in newbie games d1. a Lylo is far preferable to a Mylo. It's probability really.
We don't have many night stars at all. A bit too luck based for our liking.

(oh your avvy is that scarecrow dude from OoT)

TS's second quick L-1 vote pissed me off. More scumpoints for him.

for trying to get momentum and drag the game out of RVS? Why? I would never have allowed a lynch at that moment in tine and any pressure was good, game-advancing pressure

Wow Elmo. Talk about flashwagoning. The first time you surface an opinion (a poor, undeveloped one at that) is when I'm just in the perfect position for wagoning to the death. Opportunistic much?
VOTE: Elmo
Furthermore I have no clue what your premises are in #283. Nothing you have said there is inductively forceful at all.... Not even deductively valid tbh.
Rephrase it and I'll do my best to answer your points. Otherwise I'm just going to be sat here counting the votes on me with my abacus and sweet little else to do as regards to your concerns (but then again you're most likely mafiosi after that vote so I'm not sure why I'm bothering trying to justify my townieness to someone who's probably more than aware of it already).

L-1 worries me. Twisted mentioned he was Day 1 lynched in a previous game with VM, is it going to happen again? does this just mean he's a poor player? I'm concerned he won't respond to this in a while since he's in the UK and likely just went to bed. Is that on us or on him?

Well I'm either real poor or the town is.

On the one hand poor players don't tend to get nominated for 2 scummy awards or even be allowed to IC.
On the other hand I am at L-1

So yeah. Pretty poor player this TS guy is if you ask me. Whoever let him IC is sure getting fired

(tl;dr I'd appreciate it if we didn't talk about how terrible a player I am when I'm right here reading this. Gee. So subtle dude >_> )

[Twistedspoon]

How many Day 1 lynches actually happen on average? Is it a common occurrence?

Since no one commented on this: day 1 lynches are common, and they benefit the town, even if they are most likely mislynches. (short explanation: you end up with a higher chance of getting scum in the long run, since you eliminate a suspect early)

hey, I totally mentioned that >:]

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283: The vote is fine based on the reasoning given, but this post still feels like Elmo's just trying to ride on the curtails of the people who are already voting TS.

talk to me about the reasoning because I honestly didn't get a word of it

Why is Lylo is "far preferable" to a Mylo? Doesn't Mylo give the townsfolk more outs with being able to NL? Well, I'll just trust you since I don't have much experience in this game.

well a NL on Mylo is certainly the best move as it reduces the options and increases the probability. However to get to Mylo a NL is /usually/ required and having 2 NLs is just giving scum far too much cake and license usually.

p-edit: Exactamundo!

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sorry there kondi, I did not see that. I'll get to it tomorrow. Kinda late atm

Like who the cop should investigate or who the doctor should heal? Or should we just leave that up to those respective players?

Nonono

we really don't want to direct the PRs. Firstly we don't want to wise up the scum so they know who to kill on who's being investigated/protected and all

secondly what's to say scum in the town won't be helping directing the PRs?

We really don't want to wifom ourselves here (at the least) and let the PRs be for now

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I will not be claiming today

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actually

@mod: request deadline extension due to all the replacements and such. ty

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I don't. But just in case, TS, clarify.

I want to know if we can have a deadline extension at least first.

@elmo: you owe me a re-phrasing of your suspicions at least please

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And if there is one, I want to hear your alternative.

alternative? We strongly look at opportunistic elmo whilst not rushing into a quicklynch that we'll regret later this time

Anyways, TS & VM conf town.

as mush as I want to like this phrase do you know the meaning of confirmed?

Well, you've got me in that it's nothing I'd sing praises about (really, it's rather mediorce), but the point is that it works enough that I could accept it to push a vote. I wish it was BETTER, but it works.

the things I I don't see how it even works. I'd like

Someone

to explain this. Otherwise I cannot respond to the votes on me very well.

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Then it seems you just wanted to pressure Chrimi for no apparent reason.

I think it was a bit obvious that at that moment of time crimi needed pressure

Explain. nurC is one of the most townie peeps here.

Where did this come from? Prior to this post you had hardly even mentioned NurC

TS AND VM I'm taking off the table for today.

why the U-turn in terms of me amigo?

You've had 7 different votes or vote changes this game. That's an average of 1 vote every 4 posts from you here (28/7). I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of inconsistency at all but I'm not entirely sure if scum would try and votepark (as I usually do) or try and pass the vote around until they strike gold.
As a result I'd like to see a past game of yours, one as scum and one as town. A newbie game would be preferable. Thankyou

For /now/ I think your erratic voting may be a weak towntell after all. Scum don't want to make any enemies at all really and by voting around the houses that's going to rile a few players up. So either this is an unorthodox scum tactic or some kind of towntell. Not a great one though.
Furthermore I must note that the following 3 consecutive posts

VOTE: Nurc
Don't think Im just letting you off the hook Axxle

Explain. nurC is one of the most townie peeps here.

Man I seriously can't read or just need a break from everything to clear my head.
Or I need to preview everything before I post
VOTE: Bonnaruu

Is a huge U-turn under questioning and is almost exactly what I'd expect scum to do in a newbie game. I'll like to see a past scumgame of yours though first and some other opinions before I make my mind up on your alignment

On a side note: You can view all posts by one person?! Nice! I'm going to have to use that in the morning.

I pick up some strange frequencies sometimes. This could be one. This feels genuine. It also makes me feel more confident about Axxle town since this is honest townie excitement at a new scumhunting too. No reason for scum to get happy here and I doubt it's faked~

TS AND VM I'm taking off the table for today.

And thats up to you to trust me on what I'm thinking. And because I really need to read TS again. At least in iso.

Just because you haven't re-read me you're ruling out my lynch for the day

@Boon: what are your reads?

I shall provide my own in due time. Still finalising some aspects of some players. My D1 game isn't great I must admit. So little to go off~

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It's hard to say. Everyone has a different meta a I guess. Any vote-hopping you did VM isn't as extreme as Elmo's and I'm not too sure what to make of it. I think the towntell is perhaps a little less weak earlier into the game though when even town have few ideas of who scum are and little things can tip the balance. If it occurs 14 or 15 pages into the game then it could less be town uncertainty and being opportunistic/trying to push several wagons

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TS I think you can agree with me on this a lot of people have done a lot of nothing correct?

Yeah, I tend not to let myself be Tu Quoque'd my way of of arguments.

I like to think reps have made more people post more. Still not content with Xeph though and will have to review him shortly

So, in essence: Would you agree to Kondi's suggestion to compromise on elmo?

Compromise in what way? I think he's a good choice for now until I've done my full list of reads

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Overall I really have little except small suspicions on TS as to why he won't role tell after L-1

because no-one had declared an intent to hammer and there was good reason to have a deadline extension? Is that a good enough reason for you or do you insist on role-fishing here?

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So Axxle is town. Discuss.

I'm pretty sure that he is. Certainly my strongest townread

Also, all this talk about TS being an asset since he's experienced makes me want to let him have at least one more day to live.

I don't think you should write me off just because I'm the IC as that role has no influence on alignment. But that's just a general thing

Reasoning: two opportunistic L-1 wagons (on easy targets that I considered more newbtown or confused townie than scum) and they (TS and VM) are on both of them.

It's rather standard in the RVS phases for players to be wagoned regardless of tells (as it's the random voting stage) if not merely to generate momentum, increase the game pressure and instigate reactions. I think a lot of early game pressure can be a (perhaps weak but still inherent) towntell too (as I've expressed earlier on some Elmo and VM mannerism). Opportunistic play is rather ideal to get the game going and get the game out of RVS in the early pages. It's only after RVS has finished that it truly becomes a scumtell of sorts~ (I think the SEs can back me up here)

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Xeph's town, suck it up

why is xeph town? =/

[Twistedspoon]

meh. I don't like handing out free town passes because someone got RVS-wagoned. =/

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Hoo Boy. If Chrimi gets lynched I will not be a happy panda. Sure he's completely mad and erratic but his gung-ho nature just makes him so town in my eyes? Do scum have Any reason to randomly say two players are confirmed town for no real reason and remove them from the myslynch pool? His kondi vote looks rather bold to have been done by scum and he's been right at the front of the action since returning from V/la. He's swashbuckling alright but he's town.
Take #417. Of course it's OMGUS. Not conventional omgus though. Would scum ever so blatantly omgus? Crimi isn't even in a position where he was being voted. Crimi is a loose cannon with a green role PM and

strong

beliefs in his reads. I accept I am no huge fan of his playstyle and it isn't the most helpful to the town collectively but far too much of his actions are just too plain mad to be scum. That is all.

Also, your statement about Bonooru is a major scumtell.

Not sure I like how you attack players who attack you though. So where is this statement and why would be nice because I didn't see anything and Axxle is the closest thing to conf. town I'll ever see in this game

Was just checking the replacements list and I had Asher and Larry as strong-ish town (particularly larry from huge town motivations here) so i guess that makes me think kondi and elmo are town? I may have to review this elmo wagon. If he is town then I'm sure scum will have "jumped on" to it somewhere (another reason for crimi town). However when I look at the elmo wagon and see the only two who have joined me on it are kondi (super strong town. I can justify this if anyone wants me too but I'd rather concentrate on getting scum than justifying town reads right now) and Boon (I'm not going to call him Bono as I amusingly read someone else do earlier on this page ) and Boon's vote on elmo looked rather well justified to have been standard wagoning so I'm unsure.

As things stand now I have superstrong town reads on Axxle and Kondi and relatively firm ones on VM and crimi.

Well like I've said before it's mostly because I can't find much to post <.<

Fine, what are 3 the posts which have pinged your scumdar the most this game?

TS is the tiniest bit too quiet for my liking. I want my experienced player at the forefront, bashing in heads and taking names.

You're just going to have to accept that it isn't in my playstyle to bash peoples heads in. I'm not hugely aggressive. You can check my past games on me if you'd like. But rest assured if crimi gets lynched today then I will be bashing quite a few heads tomorrow >:]

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Axxle: Re Chrimi and kondi - I have a scumread on Xeph, though I seem to be the only one who does.

I don't think the great White-knight kondi permits anyone to have a scumread on Xeph ._.

Does anyone feel like bon's 412 is just sort of regurgitating previous reads from everyone else?

P-EDIT: But, TS, who's going to be my head-bash buddy? *sadface*

I did get that feel

I've already slapped Crimi this game. Any more physical violence and I may get locked away =s

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Don'tcha think it's a bit strange how everyone's saying one of VM and myself are scum yet we both have town reads on each other? Surely we're in the best position to judge this dichotomy and if we agreed with it at all we'd be pushing the other player's lynch now right up to boiling point.

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I've only seen you and NurC with that opinion tbh which isn't everyone

My townread on VM stems from his dynamic early game play in which he was a main force in dragging the game out of RVS by the collar. Scum has no motivation to leave RVS early and get down to the real scumhunting phases whilst town wants to get out as early as possible. This coupled with sustainable reads and a general eager playstyle has made me find VM very town indeed

[Twistedspoon]

Don'tcha think it's a bit strange how everyone's saying one of VM and myself are scum yet we both have town reads on each other?

"Everyone" was your words, not mine.

Fair point but still... I just don't see why this dichotomy even exists...

[Twistedspoon]

wowzers this is interesting. If you're scum elmo you just rolled a few sixes

Kondi's flipping between the last page and so is incredibly town. It's just the sort of paranoia and confusion inherent in townies and that's just super. He and Axxel I both have strong townreads on and VM and crimi I have moderately strong townreads on. Elmo... is probably town and a myslynch waiting to happen... I'd rather it didn't -_-

#426: is a post I agree with. I'm more than happy to accept a lot of suspect things as elmo's playstyle and ask far a claim from Boony since myself and NurC both have intent to hammer

Weird but Ive gotten results

what exactly does this mean? This is the sort of thing I'd expect to read in a scum QT :<

[Twistedspoon]

I'm here for the next 10 hours or so~

[Twistedspoon]

It is now 1:10 PM where I am

If it reaches 10PM where I am and no-one has yet hammered then I shall hammer myself

[Twistedspoon]

1 hour until I'm going to hammer

with only 4 hours to go though I doubt this is anything but inevitable

[Twistedspoon]

sorry I wasn't around to hammer. Crazy RL issues and all

interesting NK choice. NurC wasn't even on the wagon. Unless scum spotted a breadcrumb then this is a very interesting choice.

Night felt unusually long, especially for no partner talk but w/e

VOTE: Voided
back to basics for a second. My reads are all weird since I had NurC down as scum by PofE

I want to analyse the NurC wagon. I like to think there's a good chance of it being all-town due to NurC being a last chance lynch and scum could've still got elmo down if they'd really wanted to. Xeph may be scum. He's my number 2 choice for now. He did declare an intent to hammer though so I'll give him a very brief benefit of the doubt for now. I really need to re-analyse the wagon though and I'd value some Xeph input

[Twistedspoon]

ninja: Awesomesauce ^^

[Twistedspoon]

Probably Elmo and Axxle?

I'm just interested in why you think scum killed NurC and what my conf. town status makes of your TS-VM dichotomy

[Twistedspoon]

why crimi

surely xeph has more chance of being scum than crimi?

besides, this isn't a guaranteed win =/

[Twistedspoon]

who's scum VM?

[Twistedspoon]

so basically everyone but the 99% confirmed towns have a chance of being scum? =/

I disagree on many levels with some of your reads and will press you on these later but for now I'm going to vote and wonder why you aren't voting yourself

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Xeph

[Twistedspoon]

just like how I was obvious scum yesterday eh?

you can't deny he needs pressure and content anyways so no need for overreacting to one vote.

[Twistedspoon]

How you can have anything more solid than jelly in a typhoon on Xeph after all the content he's posted is beyond me

[Twistedspoon]

oh mah gawsh Xeph. This is so hard. Scum never post :3

I'll trust you for now though Kondi and go with Flippy-FloppyMcFencesit

VOTE: Voidedmafia

[Twistedspoon]

The ONLY way this isn't autowin is if Elmo is scum.

considering i find axxle and crimi more town than elmo this idea isn't thrilling but i'll roll with it. I just think the NK was real weird and am not sure what that implies

[Twistedspoon]

@mod: can a rolcop act on his results during the same night phase or are results delivered at the start of the day phase/after the kill?

[Twistedspoon]

kondi why are we having to treat elmo as the unofficial conf. town?
I'm more sure that crimi or Axxle would fit that role.

Plus Ideally I'd want a perfect town win. Where we just kill the last scum today =/

[Twistedspoon]

crimi isn't scum

just thought you might want to know

[Twistedspoon]

I call the shots around here.

TS, all we need is ONE person we can agree on trusting. I don't trust Chrimi or Voided. Choose anyone else.

Axxle

Pro-tip: Don't talk about NK's in advance, it gives scum the advantage.

It's not really much in the way of giving an advantage when there's really no other target for scum tonight. Other than TS.

why wouldn't scum kill kondi tonight?

i don't see why we should lynch crimi today over VM or Xeph tbh but i guess this is as good as a conf. win. It's one of those 3 or elmo

[Twistedspoon]

I think Voided is scum =s

[Twistedspoon]

Father, don't call me boring :'(

Anyways, just lynch Xeph please D:

I'm not saying you're boring, just that I'd like others to talk to!

And right now, we need activity more than we need a lynch.

...Fuck it.

Vote: Twistedspoon

oh wow. Voting the confirmed townie makes perfect sense. Only scum would resort to such desperate measures

VOTE: VM

Xeph = compromise lynch

I think we should lynch elmo if not any of those two though

Axxle is still town as ever. If he's scum i will never IC again.

[Twistedspoon]

And Axxle is a good townie

[Twistedspoon]

TS, you know why I voted you, right? I said so RIGHT IN THAT VERY SAME POST!

...You did know that, right?

there is no justification for voting a confirmed townie

He's good at looking townie.

you can tell the difference?

[Twistedspoon]

crazy thought I know, but maybe he looks town because he is town?

[Twistedspoon]

Ugh, you PEOPLE!

Everyone can agree that voting someone conftown is not a good idea, yes? Everyone can agree that I, having a year and nearly 4 months of experience on this sight, would absolutely know that, yes? So tell me why, as scum, I would EVER do that with any sort of seriousness. Go on, give me one goddamn good reason why I would EVER do that, and I'll stop arguing.

(Hint: It's a trick question because you CAN'T. Axxle can be excused somewhat as a newbie, but I really thought you could do better, TS.)

Axxle, think. Just think about it for one minute. THINK! Why, as scum, would I do that? Why?

well why would you do it as town?

scum have reason to act irrationally in this situation; they're almost certain to lose and are cornered. Town have no reason to be so insanely desparate and paranoid.

[Twistedspoon]

Also, why should scum act

ir

rationally? Yes, I agree that scum would be more or less cornered at this point (assuming it's me or Chrimi), but wouldn't irrationally be counter-productive?

well rational scum would probably give up by now so...

my point is that scum have little choice but to go some crazy gambit, like vote a conf. town, right now and try to ass it off as town motivation is a last-ditch attempt.
If you aren't scum then i don't see why you're complaining much either. xeph can be lynched tomorrow if we jailkeep crimi tonight.

[Twistedspoon]

i just don't think it's elmo since
1) he replaced asher
2) he was the counterwagon and a force behind lynching boon

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: xeph

really VM, after our last game you should have no objections to a, perhaps unfair, lynch from myself but w/e

i think xeph is town ever since his initial No lynch move, but he's still a hazard i suppose.

[Twistedspoon]

VOTE: VM

sorry VM, but everyone else is town. You'll see what I mean post-game

[Twistedspoon]

yep that's a hammer

give it up now VM

[Twistedspoon]

VM isn't lynched crimi =p

(I was preying on your mistake as a gambit. Didn't work)

[Twistedspoon]

God damnit, tomorrow is going to be hell. Kondi will prance around some more, and there will be nobody to keep the game moving because VM will be dead. Every town will blindly follow everything kondi says just because he's town, etc...

I hate you guys so much D:

this is why crimi is town

(not a scum reaction)

(I was preying on your mistake as a gambit. Didn't work)

How would that help you as town?

because if VM was scum and thought he was hammered (due to your incorrect and my gambit) reactions he may as well give up and reveal his role as he'd have thought the game would be over for him

[Twistedspoon]

It's just so obvious Voided is scum from the townieness shining from the rest of the players (and the fact he wasn't on the boon wagon)

[Twistedspoon]

i'm fine with jailing elmo tonight and killing xeph tomorrow

[Twistedspoon]

Oh cool.

I was pretty annoyed by your self hammer. If you were town it was a real low move as we'd have no clue who kondi was jailkeeping but thankfully you weren't

I think everyone else had big towntells going for them
Axxle, crmi, xeph etc.

I think the standard of play was generally quite good. A perfect town win is always nice. I'd have liked to have seen more from xeph though. It was really his initial NL tell that made me think he was town and start looking at VM

I'd like to see the scum qt and why NurC was killed. I agree that having your scumpartner replace out is not very fun

[Twistedspoon]

Axxle always felt rather logical to me. I was convinced of his townieness after my comments here. There is nothing more towntelling than being genuine and that's a good trait to have.

Overall we did get a little lucky. Xeph's NL tell, Elmo being cleared due to counterwagon reasons and Asher tells. I think a perfect town win is always something to be proud of though, especially since scum hit a PR N1 (though I'm not sure if it was a good kill. I'd have gone for kondi or axxle myself. I suspected NurC heavily, and would have found his preferable his lynch today.)

@mod: do you have any comments on my IC'ing? How to improve etc.

[Twistedspoon]

ty peg ^_^

(scum qt pls)

[Twistedspoon]

I...

I...

I failed D:

you lynched scum and lived to the end in a perfect town win

certainly not a fail. No one gets all the reads 100% right amigo