NY 150: Mob Money Mafia GAME OVER

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You had me and Damon I think in the same category. I remember it was only one other person in my category.

Well, Mastin...

reads..

about that.



I was going to vote Damon, though.

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I think this is town Chkflip, but I've never seen Chkflip as scum so I'm not certain.

He seems pretty aggressive which scum usually lack.

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I now bear the mark of Tbone.

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Mastin, I thought you said all the Palisade heads were fairly town reads (except for me)?

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True that on Nacho.

I don't remember the SlySly hate other than posturing (which is what I felt he was doing in the old thread)

Do you still think Sly is scum?

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We have masons AND neighbors?

HOLY SHIT

Uhh... I need to think about this a while.

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Well this is unfortunate.

I want to say that Damon is the true cop as he has been posting much more like a townie with something to lose and his acts have been much more desperate.

UNVOTE:

I need to think about this for a while.

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@DG: did you crumb cop? I believe your claim, but a crumb would be an added bonus.

No, I didn't. Not in this topic, nor the old one. Slightly naive, I didn't really think to do it, and I was hoping that when I claimed I was going to be able to claim on my own terms. Obviously it didn't work out like that.

Sly's vote on me is irritating. There is absolutely no reason to not explain, and yet he doesn't. Either you're counter-claiming me (in which case bring it on because you're a liar) or you simply don't believe my claim because you don't find it convincing. Just tell me which it is. The ambiguity in the post simply confuses the situation for us.

This is a good start.

SlySly, did you crumb cop?

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Where did a Lowell lynch come from? His lack of doing anything?

I would support that seeing as how I don't like the fact that both supposed cops didn't crumb, which is pretty retarded on their part and it will at least force the scum to do something tonight.

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I was assuming Sly's vote on you and lack of discussion to be a counterclaim, but I haven't really given much of a read because I can't imagine why people would not crumb.

VOTE: Lowell

I don't really see the reason, but it is a deadline lynch. :/

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I don't. I have a bad memory. :\

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Pine literally had zero posts yesterday. I had not seen Pine post in this game. At all. Mind explaining to me why he was "almost certainly town"? There's no possible way you should expect me to get a townread on someone off of zero posts.

This looks like bullshit.

You do realize we had like 20 something pages to go off with the other thread right? You are speaking as if the other thread never existed and it was impossible for Nacho to get a read on Pine from it.

Ya.

No.

VOTE: BBmolla

I am trusting Pine, but I believe he is telling the truth about Bunny who is also another good lynch.

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BB wasn't here when the other thread was up, so what is scummy about asking Nacho to explain his town read on Pine?

He wasn't? I thought he had been here the entire game.

Admittedly, I haven't been giving my full attention.

I am also skeptical that this wagon is composed of townies. Regardless, BBmolla's "fuck you I'm out" post looks town.

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Although I am having conflicting opinions about BL. :S

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Mcqueen is looking *very* town.

Pine, wouldn't it be more efficient for the scum to just leave you both alive with the WIFOM surronding both of you (if you are both town) since one of you will inevitably die?

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BBmolla and SlySly, why are you voting Nacho?

And

mod, apparently I don't exist? I'm not on your vote count.

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well bah posts are exactly that; you can't say anything more than a 'bah'

Not really. In certain situations there is an easily breakable way to give a yes or no answer.

Bah = yes
absence = no

It is better to be on the safe side and have no Bah posts be allowed.

Or trust worthy players.

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VOTE: Kondi

He hasn't really done much in the ways of scumhunting and seems to be relying on the efforts of town rather than trying to forge his own path.

I can't make my mind up on Pine or Bunny.

Sly, a Nacho lynch is stupid. I think you are overexaggerating his "softclaim" and going after a town player.

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Sly, a Nacho lynch is stupid. I think you are overexaggerating his "softclaim" and going after a town player.

Why do you think he's town?

Him dealing with Sly's insistence that he claimed masons with Mastin and his general scumhunting.

Sly, why did you vote Damon Gant after he claimed yesterday?

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Oversoul, didn't you know? Sly's scum.

This game is depressingly easy. BL, Slysly, BB, kondi. One of those is a derpfuck, the other three are our scumteam.

Is that an answer for my question or just a general statement?

I want Sly to answer.

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Entering super speculative mode: Scum need reasons to call people town.

Wait, I'm counting like this is a Mini.

Townslip?

VOTE KONDI

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Kondi did you replace out because of me? I'm really sorry if you weren't having fun but that wasn't even that much pressure. I just think you are scum. Although I am very tempting to say that slot is town now.

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Eh... I'm not really willing to go look into their current games to see if they have any connections, but I think this makes Kondi's slot town.

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Also, the current wagons suck.

We need to address this and start by going after Bunny lover again.


VOTE: Bunnylover

I really am at a loss for who to go after, but mod can we have some prods on Andy, Mastin, Kise, and Pizza?

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I think I'm taking a break from the site after this game. Just not into it like I used to be.

I'm sorry to hear that.

I consider the reasoning used against BBmolla to be faulty and the people on his wagon going after the wrong person just like the people voting Pine and Nacho are going after the wrong person since no one looks particularly scummy.

The wagons look like the people on them need for there to be a wagon..

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Knox, who did you replace?

BL, why did you decide on his alignment/what was your reasoning for deciding on his alignment?

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Now can you explain why you want to go back to the Bunny wabbit?

Because Pine v. BL is distracting as all hell and will not end until one of them is either lynched or killed and at this point I think it is safer to remove the distractions as early as possible to have an easier late game.

I agree that Andy needs to be looked at, but he can't really react to the pressure right now because of his LA status.

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LA until Tuesday.

I'll my phone but that won't really make a difference.

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They always try to pull shit like that.

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I'm done with the bloc, and I think Matt should receive some pressure tomorrow.

Chkflip, possibly, but I don't think it is worth it at this time.

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Wait, BL agreed to her own lynch?

FUCK THAT

I don't like her "I was town" statement after mcqueen and the mod posted showing that she wasn't lynched, but still agreeing to one's own lynch is not scum.

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VOTE: Matt

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Hey guys, I didn't realize this game was opened from night.

I'll be rereading. I still think Matt is a good choice.

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Why do you think Andy needs to be looked at?

His actions look like posturing.

More on this later

Although I think something is going on between a few players and I'm keeping an eye open...

NS)TST>AS

^ for future reference

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In lieu of Twisted's revelation, Nacho, why did you come to Andy's defense so quickly?

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prodge, posting later tonight

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In lieu of Twisted's revelation, Nacho, why did you come to Andy's defense so quickly?

Why are you asking me this? I only came in when TS started to string the gambit along and it was painfully obvious that nothing was happening.

Unvote, Vote: BBMolla

I am just trying to parcel out the reasoning for doing something like this. It is interesting that you immediately dismissed TS's gambit despite the albeit low, chance of a deputy.

Is this some kind of code?

Yes it was a code. It was Nacho-scum attacking town twisted spoon (I inverted to throw off people) for attacking Andy-scum.

I'm still not certain whether this is a scum move of trying to white knight a person who has been getting pressure (Andy) or if it defending a buddy, but quick defense looked suspicious in my mind.

When I get a chance I'll make my case on Matt.

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It's annoying trying to remember what to do.

Normally I would not be against a side statement like this as it looks mostly harmless but I have to examine what it could mean coming from scum. Scum would say something like this because they have forgotten what they had said before the game was nuked and want to retain those same opinions for fear of looking discordant.

Trying to remember what to do looks like a scum without a plan because there are no longer any posts to try and trick the town into lynching the wrong person.

Mastin was a town lean because the whole "i'm gonna catch the whole scum team d1 with my crazy analysis" is what he does as town, although I've never actually seen his scum play.

So you cannot really say that is his town play then? Why attribute something to Mastin so loosely when even you realize it cannot be completely trusted. This looks like scum trying to call someone town so that they do not need to have other reasons for calling said person town.

Oh and Mastin, what's making you read me as scum? I'm not sure what it's based on given you've read me incorrectly in the past and I feel my play is pretty much the same <.<

He acknowledges that this is just normal Mastin play, and acknowledges that it was wrong last time, but is still curious as to why Mastin thinks he is scum.

In my opinion, Matt is playing scum due to a heightened sense of self awareness and he is conscientious of his play and doesn't want to look scummy.

Hi guys. While you're arguing about whether or not it's wise to lynch a claimed cop day one because he has "connections" (tip: it's not) and making town vs town cases on each other (I'm looking at you, Chkflip and Twistedspoon, although I must admit I'm not as sure on Twistedtown anymore but still pretty sure on Chktown), I'll be lynching the person who is scum or has the likeliest chance to be. I would make a case, but I can't without the old game.

*sigh* I hate my own ambivalence. I'm going to need to remain confident about my feelings toward Matt, though.

Matt stating that Chk vs. TS is town v town is again scum attributing towniness to other players so that he does not need to come up with another read. He says that TS is town but remarks that his TS read could be wrong, so then how could he be so sure that Chk vs TS is a waste of time because it is a T v T argument?

His last comment about the old game answers my questions about his first comment "I don't know what to do", but only partially and I would really like Matt to answer the question in full.

Why did you say "I don't know what to do" in your second post?

Twistedspoon,your jumping on BBmolla's wagon was insanely, insanely awkward but I'll disregard that given you towntold a bit before.

You used akward to describe BBmolla's vote as scummy. What exactly do you mean when you say awkward? Right now I see you using awkward as a synonym for scummy.

Pine -

I forgot to ask, is it possible to paraphrase or quote things from the QT or is that against the guidelines? I can't find anything regarding it in the game rules. I think it would be a gigantic help if you could paraphrase some of the things Bunny said, but yeah

If both Pine and BL are town then this post possibly means Matt is looking for something to play on a BL lynch. However, if one of the two is scum then this does point toward Matt being town as he would know what BL already said in the QT.

Post #465 by Kondi is an awkwardly formal and sincere side I have never seen from him. I've only seen him play laid back and not nearly as confident/analytic as he does now. I'll keep on eye on him, I guess.

I agree with this sentiment that Kondi deserves a second look.

Why do you think that Kondi is town now, Matt?

Mastin, is Mcqueen town?

Vote: Bunny

Excuse me?

Matt in his previous posts says that he can see BL being town and states that BL's wagon is okay. Up to this point I don't think Matt has even announced any scumreads as he has vocally said BL could be town while voting for him.

In addition, he tries to make his post look more adequate by asking Mastin the most pointless question in the history of the universe. Matt has said numerous times that Mcqueen is obvious town. Multiple people have stated that they think Mcqueen is obvious town so why the hell would he ask Mastin what he thinks of Mcqueen?

Hm.

Oversoul, why is it me? Let's talk.

Having some doubts about Bunnylover myself - not that I ever scum read her hard in the first place, but I'm also not sure who I could switch a wagon on in the course of one day. Eh...

I am ready to talk. I have been busy and I guess so have you, but your play has been extremely suspect.

The last part of this post looks horrible as only scum are concerned who they should switch to do when push comes to shove. I give you towncredit as it doesn't make sense for scum to publicly announce this feeling, but damn this post.

1. Someone explain to me why Kise is town

2. Knox is a fairly good vote.

3. I have a few fairly solid town reads but I need to check up something quickly. However Mastin/Nacho seriously need to realize that I'm town. <.<

Why is Knox a good vote?

Why are you so concerned about Mastin and Nacho thinking that you are scum? Why is my name not mentioned? What makes you think that other people should view you as town in this game? You haven't anything, been confirmed by anything, or have someone confirm you as town.

Originally, I was planning to come in and attack Knox but after looking at her ISO I'm actually tempted to give her some free space right now because of her strong attack on SlySly and my inablity to actually get a solid scum tell on her, aside from a fairly bad unjustifiable gut read

What does her attack on Sly have to do with anything? Sly was a traitor... therefore main group scum would not have known he was mafia. Sly could have potentially known who maingroup scum were, though.

What game have we played together where you were scum and I was town?

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Thinking about the night flips and such, I am kinda concerned about town's power.

Why wasn't Damon protected via any sort of protective power? :\

I am going to try and look for crumbs from Sly or odd interactions with potential teammates.

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@ Oversoul I don’t understand when this happened. Where did Nacho attack Twisted Spoon and where did he defend Andy apart from calling him town which I wouldn’t call defending.

Again, I should have used a different verb, but from my point of view Nacho immediately stepping up and dismissing the potential cop read on Andy was what looked like an attack on TS and a defend for Andy.

Apart from a gut read, nothing really on Andy.

Does anyone have any comments about my case on Matt? I feel like I completely failed in trying to present his scumminess.

I never attacked TS over anything by that point. I hadn't even acknowledged the gambit at that point.
Please explain.

I took your aggressive dismissal of TS's gambit as attacking. I should have used another verb, but that is what it looked like from my point of view.

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Comment on my Matt analysis? Anyone?

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I'm going to be

V/LA from Friday 6:00 AM EST to Saturday 2:00 PM EST

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Day ends in a NO LYNCH....however Mod-kills incoming.

Did day end really fucking happen?

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Why does no one test vote in LyLo? :\

I know it seems like a bad practice, but if I was in Mastin's shoes I would know that Pine is definitely not scum.

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3p LyLo does indeed suck

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Tbone I am sorry this game ended up the way it did

so many people being modkilled

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Out of curiosity, why was I nightkilled?

I'd like that question answered too.

I wasn't playing a very strong game.