Blitz 6: Normal! [Game Over]

[farside22]

Hey all!
I was bored so you all get me today.

Vote: thelhix

Yakko why are you joining the RVS bw instead of votive thelhix?

[farside22]

Hey trouble.
Do I need to prod you in the ass this game or are you scum?

[farside22]

Hey all!
I was bored so you all get me today.

Vote: thelhix

Yakko why are you joining the RVS bw instead of votive thelhix?

I just brought out the refreshments. Do you have a read as to why I am shady?

Going from serious to silly in 1.0 seconds.

Let's just say that your play reads fake.
You asked about the vote from the start and say there are other ways you play but all I see is silliness which doesn't really capture reads from anyone

[farside22]

Hey all!
I was bored so you all get me today.

Vote: thelhix

Yakko why are you joining the RVS bw instead of votive thelhix?

VOTE: thelhix

Oops my b.

I am tempted to throw my vote in yakko

[farside22]

Hey all!
I was bored so you all get me today.

Vote: thelhix

Yakko why are you joining the RVS bw instead of votive thelhix?

I just brought out the refreshments. Do you have a read as to why I am shady?

Going from serious to silly in 1.0 seconds.

Let's just say that your play reads fake.
You asked about the vote from the start and say there are other ways you play but all I see is silliness which doesn't really capture reads from anyone

But, did I not give a logical explanation for it? As well, I was also told that plays such as this "sillyness" were common on this site. Essentially leading one to believe they are being uptight. So couldnt you say I am just adjusting to the room?

You know about silliness but not rvs?

[farside22]

Dear god I feel like I want 2 votes now

[farside22]

Hello mr. Newb

I'm farside
This is my IC moment.
Considering this isn't a newbie game I'm going to only do this once to be nice.

Random voting stage is normal. (rVS) some do random questions and from time to time you have the RVS bw (which is more and more popular)
The object is really all about trying to figure the game out. Whether by questions, votes or just engaging with players in some manner.

There are a few silly players, I generally ignore them or slap them around till they play the game or get lynched.
That's just how I am.

Ic moment off.

Vote: itelpip

[farside22]

I'm going to be hating you this game.

[farside22]

Dear god I feel like I want 2 votes now

You have 2 with yakko sheeping you...
Was that vote in or out of RVS, cause I have no idea.

I'm going to be hating you this game.

[farside22]

Growls at phone.

My vote is serious.

My second quote was to yakko

[farside22]

Saying that your play was what you thought was normal and therefore not suspicious I find very suspicious.

This doesn't come off as a joke first off.
Second it really reads awkward as far as comment go.

[farside22]

@far are you saying he was no longer in rvs mode when he made said comment about you (far) having two votes so it is highly unlikely that he was still in rvs mode?

Saying that your play was what you thought was normal and therefore not suspicious I find very suspicious.

This doesn't come off as a joke first off.
Second it really reads awkward as far as comment go.

I thought he was serious form what I commented and then the second sounded jokey.

Welcome farside! Nice to be playing with you again ~
I town read farside's entrance to the game, she goes straight down to business.

Hi Soren
<3
Good to see some people I know here.
Did I kick players butt's into gear?

[farside22]

Saying that your play was what you thought was normal and therefore not suspicious I find very suspicious.

This doesn't come off as a joke first off.
Second it really reads awkward as far as comment go.

Are you saying that once someone makes a post that isn't a joke they are banned from RVS and can no longer make joke posts?
Also since when is being awkward scummy?

Seriously???

Making a post that gives an impression that you are not sure what to say and are finding things hard to say means that you are being disingenuous.
Now explain how that should read town.

I think being serious and trying to be cute in the way you went about it was trying to defuse a wagon on you.

[farside22]

Yeah far sides is town I think.

UNVOTE: Soren

Why did you unvote soren if farsides is town?

I will agree with the town read because of the AtE.

Dude do you even know what you are talking about?

[farside22]

Somebody voted yakko. I want to vote that person. I skimmed earlier and it looked like wagon probing.

*waves*

I'm now moving elsewhere though

[farside22]

Not to say he's town, but I don't see any scum motivation in him yet

[farside22]

Sup farside.

Do you want to make an argument as to why I should vote itlepip?

Hey I said he was awkward and so far he just buddies me after the fact.
You see that as town, let me know why.

[farside22]

There is something I don't understand.

Saying that your play was what you thought was normal and therefore not suspicious I find very suspicious.

This doesn't come off as a joke first off.
Second it really reads awkward as far as comment go.

Where did itlepip say this was a joke? The only reference I can find from itlepip to a joke is:

...
i was still in RVS, that was just a comment supposed to be taken lightly. It wasn't meant to be personnel.

Also how would I be able this early in the game to give an explanation of your sheeping, most likely it was just a joking RVS sheep, but if my vote was serious than an RVS vote is bad. You could be scum trying a sheeping strategy early but there isn't much evidence for that. There also could be some scum thing I did early that you guys are reacting to, but I have absolutely no idea what it is.

which I believe was suggesting Yakko's vote was a joke.

I thought he was saying he was joking up to the point of realizing players were being serious.

[farside22]

Totes here.

This game needs out of RVS.

Are you up to date?

Without two wagons, a game is in RVS to me. I read best by relationships.

You scum this game girl?
You want a relationship here, how about you tell me your thoughts on the player with the leading votes.

[farside22]

It read to me as itlepip has no clue what Nos is talking about.

I agree with this.
Also I don't remember saying I hate anyone but I'm too tired and lazy to check on that.
And Nos argument towards pip bothers me more.

[farside22]

I'm going to be hating you this game.

Oh that was to yakko.
I forgot about that.

I'm not sure what to think about pip's self vote, but nos seems to be berating pip for a very minor detail.
Also I looked at ny190 if that is what Titus is referring to and she has a lot of explaining to do.

[farside22]

I've read the thread and can't recall a single alignment indicative argument, so we're still in-between RVS and what comes next.

Pip's interactions don't seem forced or otherwise scummy to me and anyone exaggerating the alignment indication of the selfvote looks fishy.

If theLhix is scum his talkative style will reveal a scumslip sooner or later. Same for gung-ho farside.

VOTE: Titus

Soren, why did you get lynched on day1 3x?

This is pretty lazy and weird.
First you say you don't recall anything alignment indicative about the arguments.
Then you defend pip (which means you do see something alignment indicative) about him.
Why the vote on Titus?

[farside22]

Also I would like to point out when I called pip posting awkward he didn't disagree.

[farside22]

What are the things you find unconvincing about the arguments I've made so far?

Defensiveness despite claiming to be chill is null because self-preservation is null. Is there another basis for your conclusion?

There was the observation that he seems more interested in saying things are scummy than trying to generate more information (the latter being the most important thing for a townie in the early stages of the game IMO).

What about Nosferatu?

Also, why are you voting Titus?

As opposed to Nosferatu she hasn't done anything. I can see Nosferatu's push as newbie town's attempts at getting out of RVS.

So you are an alt and bypassing questions then.

noted

[farside22]

@TheLhix

: Can I interest you in a vote for Nosferatu based on the points in #178?

@TheLhix

: Can I interest you in a vote for Nosferatu based on the points in #178?

Possibly. I have to go for a few hours, so I don't want to make a play like that then be gone. I see the point as for the same reason I originally was wary of Soren, but it would seem it might be a bit heavier this time. I will think over it and come back later. Seem fair?

@TheLhix

: Can I interest you in a vote for Nosferatu based on the points in #178?

Possibly. I have to go for a few hours, so I don't want to make a play like that then be gone. I see the point as for the same reason I originally was wary of Soren, but it would seem it might be a bit heavier this time. I will think over it and come back later. Seem fair?

I probably won't be here when you get back, but sure. Do get around to it though, the day's ticking.

Gross. This interaction no me gusta. I think soren might have been right when he said lhix was acting. Lhix just said he has not intention of helping town i.e. wants to be null read. Null reads usually mean staying in the background and playing passively. Weird way of saying he is just gonna do what he said in his op.

The 'play' is a vote. I get not throwing them around like halloween candy, but it hardly seems worth the effort of whether to vote or say no.

@aqua why are you town reading lhix after he said he has no interest in moving the game forward? i.e. Self proclaimed wanting to be null.

Got to say Lhix is a strange cat.
But he isn't the only strange player in this game. I feel some players are putting on acts and others are not. Not sure if it's the new crowd thing being cute or scum.

[farside22]

I've read the thread and can't recall a single alignment indicative argument, so we're still in-between RVS and what comes next.

Pip's interactions don't seem forced or otherwise scummy to me and anyone exaggerating the alignment indication of the selfvote looks fishy.

If theLhix is scum his talkative style will reveal a scumslip sooner or later. Same for gung-ho farside.

VOTE: Titus

Soren, why did you get lynched on day1 3x?

This is pretty lazy and weird.
First you say you don't recall anything alignment indicative about the arguments.
Then you defend pip (which means you do see something alignment indicative) about him.
Why the vote on Titus?

Nope. I said nobody vocalized any alignment indicative arguments, which is not contradictory to Soren saying pip's self-vote was scummy being fishy.

Also I would like to point out when I called pip posting awkward he didn't disagree.

Did you seriously expect him too?

I'm not an alt. I play on Teamliquid.net Osu and Epic.

Vote: loha

[farside22]

Do I need to explain my vote?
Thinks a bit.
See's comment on this page alone.

Nope I'm good

[farside22]

What happened to remaining passive neutral or whatever it is you called it.

1. Blatant evidence
2. Discussed how I would vote earlier
3. You asked for my reads and my vote and I relinquished them both with logical assessment to match.

My question. Why so aggressive if all my plays have meaning, and better yet, I've not only maintained my spoken agenda and appealed to the populace wishing me to make a choice past observing. I also addressed that due to the evidence, I would vote prematurely to when I said I would. Any issue?

Remind me wh n this game is over to have a frank discussion about your play style if your town.

[farside22]

Loha. Tell me about yourself. How much xp you got punching all those batvillans?

The card is pretty disappointing.



So pisskop, do I need to kick your ass next here?

[farside22]

Loha votes me for reasons that aren't clear. The only thing I said was I needed a counter to itep to get things going. That indicates not much is alignment indicative.

Loha sheeps that thought process, but votes me. If he thinks my thought process is scummy, why would he follow it? If he doesn't, then why is he voting me?

All around, that's pretty bad.

This is bs. I'm not sheeping anything.

I've read the thread and can't recall a single alignment indicative argument, so we're still in-between RVS and what comes next.

Pip's interactions don't seem forced or otherwise scummy to me and anyone exaggerating the alignment indication of the selfvote looks fishy.

If theLhix is scum his talkative style will reveal a scumslip sooner or later. Same for gung-ho farside.

VOTE: Titus

Soren, why did you get lynched on day1 3x?

Agreed.

Titus: You want to explain yourself better there?


Just an fyi I'm going to do my best not to be an asshat this game, please for the love of all that is holy don't be a hypocrite.

[farside22]

[3] LoHa ~ farside22, Soren, TheLhix

If scum is on me it's either Titus or TheLhix or both.

So all you are saying here is that farside and soren are town. Why do you think they are town and why did you phrase your read that way?

Also
VOTE: LoHa

vote: pip

WEAK!

[farside22]

I've read the thread and

can't recall a single alignment indicative argument

, so we're still in-between RVS and what comes next.

Pip's interactions don't seem forced or otherwise scummy to me and anyone exaggerating the alignment indication of the selfvote looks fishy.

If theLhix is scum his talkative style will reveal a scumslip sooner or later. Same for gung-ho farside.

VOTE: Titus

Soren, why did you get lynched on day1 3x?

This is pretty lazy and weird.
First you say you don't recall anything alignment indicative about the arguments.
Then you defend pip (which means you do see something alignment indicative) about him.
Why the vote on Titus?

Nope. I said

nobody vocalized any alignment indicative arguments

, which is not contradictory to Soren saying pip's self-vote was scummy being fishy.

You add the qualifier 'vocalized' here. I don't understand how those sentences (bolded) are different. I'm saying that whole sentence seems unnecessary as it looks like you are simply attempting to say farside is wrong and coming up with a justification that makes no sense. From my perspective you simply added the word vocalized and pretended it changed the meaning of sentence? Would you mind explaining it differently. As I don't see what you're talking about.

It's not different.

What are you talking about? Are you for real?

I just found your comment about the arguments vague.
You really have no right to smurf on other players arguments and then OMGUS when players vote you.

And that is the nicest way I can put it.

In other news I'm voting pip because he took the weakest point to bw vote Loha.

[farside22]

I say there's not much here until I see a counter wagon.
In the post Loha votes me, he says there's nothing alignment indicative.

My post was pretty fucking clear. It's like people cannot understand English. :@

That isn't sheeping sweetie.

Farside moves down several notches unless I am wrong and itepip is scum.

Nope.
You tell me why pip's vote makes sense to you and not a desperate let me jump on this bw approach newb scum tell.

[farside22]

[3] LoHa ~ farside22, Soren, TheLhix

If scum is on me it's either Titus or TheLhix or both.

So all you are saying here is that farside and soren are town. Why do you think they are town and why did you phrase your read that way?

Also
VOTE: LoHa

vote: pip

WEAK!

You liked my self vote a lot then.

I already commented about it.
You want to explain your reason's a little more clearly.

[farside22]

[3] LoHa ~ farside22, Soren, TheLhix

If scum is on me it's either Titus or TheLhix or both.

So all you are saying here is that farside and soren are town. Why do you think they are town and why did you phrase your read that way?

Also
VOTE: LoHa

I've read the thread and

can't recall a single alignment indicative argument

, so we're still in-between RVS and what comes next.

Pip's interactions don't seem forced or otherwise scummy to me and anyone exaggerating the alignment indication of the selfvote looks fishy.

If theLhix is scum his talkative style will reveal a scumslip sooner or later. Same for gung-ho farside.

VOTE: Titus

Soren, why did you get lynched on day1 3x?

This is pretty lazy and weird.
First you say you don't recall anything alignment indicative about the arguments.
Then you defend pip (which means you do see something alignment indicative) about him.
Why the vote on Titus?

Nope. I said

nobody vocalized any alignment indicative arguments

, which is not contradictory to Soren saying pip's self-vote was scummy being fishy.

You add the qualifier 'vocalized' here. I don't understand how those sentences (bolded) are different. I'm saying that whole sentence seems unnecessary as it looks like you are simply attempting to say farside is wrong and coming up with a justification that makes no sense. From my perspective you simply added the word vocalized and pretended it changed the meaning of sentence? Would you mind explaining it differently. As I don't see what you're talking about.

It's not different.

What are you talking about? Are you for real?

I just found your comment about the arguments vague.
You really have no right to smurf on other players arguments and then OMGUS when players vote you.

And that is the nicest way I can put it.

In other news I'm voting pip because he took the weakest point to bw vote Loha.

I never said that I was voting LoHa for that one post, which is why I said also... But for me that post is the one I want clarified the most.

=26723&user_select[]=0&user_select[]=0&user_sort=Go]iso

nope, not there.

For 200 points tell me what is another name for caught scum?

[farside22]

@farside, cause it's not. The only thing that vote did was eliminate itpip and Lola as buddies.

You can quibble my use of the word buddying, but Loha voting me for reasons he agreed with is rather scummy.

Voting a survival wagon isn't scummy. It's natural instinct unless ipip was explicitly town reading Loha. I didn't see that.

What?

That wasn't survival and going from self voting to let me vote this dude and calling it survival is a stretch.

[farside22]

Titus: I know you are a smart player regardless of alignment so here is where I am confused.
Do you even read what pip is saying at all in this game? Even remotely?
You realize he is just making shit up as he goes along right?
If not you can explain what you see in his post that makes sense from what he said and not what you think he is doing.

[farside22]

Totes here.

This game needs out of RVS.

To do that, time for a counter.

VOTE: pignash

Townreads like candy and you resemble the last mini normal.

Totes here.

This game needs out of RVS.

Are you up to date?

Without two wagons, a game is in RVS to me. I read best by relationships.

I've read the thread and can't recall a single alignment indicative argument, so we're still in-between RVS and what comes next.

[redacted not about me]

VOTE: Titus

[redacted]

Loha was agreeing me about game state, says nothing about me being scummy.

That's pretty damn clear.

This is pretty weak case you are pushing.

[farside22]

I'm thinking Titus is scum this game.

[farside22]

I'm thinking Titus is scum this game.

Would titus scum create a counter wagon on a potentially easy lynch? Does this suggest pip+titus?

I'm thinking Titus is scum this game.

Would titus scum create a counter wagon on a potentially easy lynch? Does this suggest pip+titus?

If pip isn't scum, it makes more sense from scum-Titus if there are already other scum on the pip wagon, and Titus was looking for somewhere innocuous to park her vote. As counterwagons go it was a bit half-assed.

This in a nutshell.
I mean not for anything but pip never said anything to give the impression that Titus is taking.
Using experience is one thing, inventing something a player isn't saying and watching that player grab it as a read and lurking after doesn't make your skin crawl, I'm going to call you scum for it

[farside22]

Farside, what the hell are you talking about?

Derp.

Plain and simple.
I think you are talking out of your ass.

[farside22]

Yeah because Titus one point is so strong and powerful.

You want to 1v1 Titus let me know

[farside22]

...
I don't work like that. People start as town. Scummy actions (which ipip has none) do that.

Farside backing off Laho pings like a motherfucker, doubly so because she's voting the counter.

I found these posts by itlepip reflective of scum motivaion because they're pointing suspicion at other players but not really pressuring for more information in any way:

Spoiler:

Saying that your play was what you thought was normal and therefore not suspicious I find very suspicious.

Dear god I feel like I want 2 votes now

You have 2 with yakko sheeping you...
Was that vote in or out of RVS, cause I have no idea.

Dear god I feel like I want 2 votes now

You have 2 with yakko sheeping you...
Was that vote in or out of RVS, cause I have no idea.

You sound disgusted? Maybe I'm reading that wrong. Any particular reason you pointed it out but made zero attempts to figure out why I was sheeping? I like my vote more now.

i was still in RVS, that was just a comment supposed to be taken lightly. It wasn't meant to be personnel.

Also how would I be able this early in the game to give an explanation of your sheeping, most likely it was just a joking RVS sheep, but if my vote was serious than an RVS vote is bad. You could be scum trying a sheeping strategy early but there isn't much evidence for that. There also could be some scum thing I did early that you guys are reacting to, but I have absolutely no idea what it is.

Can you explain why you don't find that scummy?

She's not going to do that and act like his action are rational because she says so.

Actually I'm fairly confident now about my Titus read.
No way town Titus would ignore a rational convo.

Vote: Titus

[farside22]

And add to that associated with no flip.
Lets go wagon

[farside22]

And add to that associated with no flip.
Lets go wagon

My Ocean and Persivul reads were unflipped associatives.

Hello lying scum
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

There was no scum read in persivul day 1 based on association.

[farside22]

And add to that associated with no flip.
Lets go wagon

My Ocean and Persivul reads were unflipped associatives.

Hello lying scum
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

There was no scum read in persivul day 1 based on association.

Yes there was. Persivul's push on me I called out. I said "You can be scum too" regarding his push on me.

You didn't reread that ISO.

My last reads were Ocean AND Persivul needed to die.

That is not an associative in the least.

[farside22]

Do not turn this game into another Blitz 1, you two.

Listen this isn't the same at all.

Titus arguments are weak.
Look at her day 1 engagement vs this.
Asking questions there. Not asking them here.
Trying to figure motoves there.
Pushing weak reasoning here.
Not the same at all

[farside22]

That is directed at both of you. That game is over. Leave it and move on.

She's the one doing it to justify a shotty case.
Oh look at how good I am. Ignore my crappy reason and follow because because of that game.
That's her.
Me I'm showing why she is scum.

[farside22]

Do not turn this game into another Blitz 1, you two.

Listen this isn't the same at all.

Titus arguments are weak.
Look at her day 1 engagement vs this.
Asking questions there. Not asking them here.
Trying to figure motoves there.
Pushing weak reasoning here.
Not the same at all

If you want to make a meta argument I suppose I'm listening. It is true that Titus' engagement with Blitz 1 early in the game was greater IIRC. Not a scumclaim but it's a valid point.

What I am not interested in is either of you,

whether your assessment is correct or not

, justifying your play there or bitching about that town. This isn't the place for that, it's not relevant to this game, and all it will lead to is ill feeling we don't need.

I'm not doing that.
I'm not sure where that came from but all I'm saying in regards to Titus is that she isn't making a strong case and thinks she's scored scum that confidently is scum bussing or trying to help there scum buddy from being lynched.
I can't remember how Titus feels about bussing as scum.

[farside22]

Farside, really? You go through the hassle to remember my alleged activity level (p.s. I had a bit of work and Saturday game night) but cannot remember I almost never bus as scum?

You are also saying my case is weak and therefore scummy? That's markedly different from how to treat me meta wise.

You're also patently trying vague unknown assoiatives by stating whatever ipip/Laho flip, I'm scum.

That's narrative crafting. Pick a side. You had a scumread on Laho but backed off because my case was weak allegedly.

No, you backed off because the Laho wagon might go through. If you were concerned about my vote, you merely would have unvoted, not vote the major counter wagon.

I don't have to pick a side with Laho today if I'm sure your scum today.
After that your scum biddies will kill me.

[farside22]

Also the rest of your points are invalid.
I already explained my vote on pip and on you Titus.
Just because you are spinning a story to enchant others doesn't mean jack to me.

[farside22]

Yeah you do. You're trying to provoke me into perceived anti-town behavior and avoiding discussing substance. You're trying to avoid discussing your bus vote on Laho. Loha. Whatever.

Yeah that comment isn't misleading at all there.

[farside22]

Come on Titus I'm already voting you and all you've done is allude to an associate without a flip based on weak reason.
If anyone really is buying that I'd love to know why.

[farside22]

I think Farside is acting like a silly bugger. Dont know what that means wrt her alignment yet though.

How so?

[farside22]

@Whoever asked

Farside did plenty of testing the waters before her vote.

Where do you see that?

@Whoever asked

Farside did plenty of testing the waters before her vote.

You're missing the point. If Farside wants an itlepip lynch today and does not want a LoHa lynch, why would Farside "test the waters" for a LoHa vote?

She settled on itlepip. It wasn't by design. LoHa is scum. Farside distances a bit, and the rumblings pick up. Farside votes later. That buddies me and provides distance. Not expecting it to take off, Farside votes the counter.

That's another lie.


I can't believe people are buying Titus spinning a story over facts in the game here.

[farside22]

That's not an answer to this, I don't think.

There IS no wagon at that stage. Why would Farside be trying to work out if she can run a wagon on her buddy, when she could just... not, and sit on her reasonably popular Pip wagon?

What is the actual point of that play? Considering how much pull Farside has in this thread there seems to me that there would be considerable risk of the wagon taking off. I simply don't buy it as a bus. Too little reward for far too much risk.

Notice Titus side steps the question when all she had done is use an association and her whole push on loha is over one fucking post.

Again, why so focused on Farside when Loha must be flipped first for any of it to have a point?

Second, if Farside had as much "pull" as you state, why doesn't she say Loha is town? She doesn't. She calls my case weak, but never says he's town when inviting him. She doesn't say he's town when she's paranoid over him.

[farside22]

For those that don't know I phone post a lot so I'm going page by page comments while I do that.

Anyways.
I'm going to speak freely now.
Titus is pushing a case on loha over one point and is not engaging or asking question to the player she is supposedly scum reading.
What I don't get is why others are following it.
so those voting loha should explain what makes Titus points valid.

[farside22]

</3

Still down with an itlepip lynch at this stage. He still hasn't done much useful, I still don't see towny motivation behind those early posts, and I won't be very sorry if it turns out the martyring, self-voting player is a mislynch. I'd be much sorrier if we went for Lhix or Titus and they flipped town.

VOTE: itlepip

I want LoHa to talk some more.

You are aware that Mala and Kop together have 8 total posts here? Going for a policy lynch of me doesn't make any sense.

Pip: who are your scum reads?

[farside22]

...
You are aware that Mala and Kop together have 8 total posts here? Going for a policy lynch of me doesn't make any sense.

I'm aware.

I dislike Mala's playstyle of lazing about day 1 but sadly it's not alignment-indicative, and typically her usefulness picks up later.

As for Kop, I simply have more reason to think you're mafia than I do him. Kop would be a straight policy lynch. Yours isn't.

I'm feeling ignored this game.

I'm not crazy
And I'm not scum.

[farside22]

Thinking pip is town with the lastest comments.

Titus is scum.
That story spinning is a scum tactic.

[farside22]

Not sure about town, but #424 is a higher quality post than any of his others by some margin. If that keeps up I have no objection to him living to day 2.

Provisionally:
UNVOTE: itlepip

@Farside

: What is your opinion of LoHa? Particularly with reference to his latest post.

His question to Titus was bland.
I'm resorting some reads but too many nulls right now.

[farside22]

EBWOP: My opinion is that given how much has happened in the thread between it and the last time he posted, it is VERY thin. Much more could have been said by an interested townie.

No I get it.

Im going to check something

[farside22]

What is the reasoning behind getting rid of titus? They seem to be searching with scum with invigoration and their arguments (while thin at times) don't fail to make sense totally.

Because she is scum.
You think calling one player scum based on one post is seriously scum hunting?

[farside22]

EBWOP: My opinion is that given how much has happened in the thread between it and the last time he posted, it is VERY thin. Much more could have been said by an interested townie.

Just looking back on loha post he thought thelhix and Titus were scum on his wagon.
At that time she already made a point why loha was scum so the question just seems fillerish

[farside22]

@Nos are you saying titus was accidentally right?

no, I just didn't see his reasoning behind his scum read. Not that I think it's wrong, I just didn't comprehend it.

@Titus

@LoHa

: From one Teamliquid expatriate to another... this forum operates much less on ego-boosting and shit-flinging arguments. (Mostly.) Getting a feel for the different meta here is very important. (Same goes for Lhix on that score, actually.)

And yes Titus, your read is being "discredited" because, quite simply, it is worth no credit. Right or wrong, it was terrible.

To repeat myself again: agreeing with you that not much has happened in the thread is NOT a reason he should townread you. Scum frequently make accurate statements.

Still think it's not an ego or a good case.
Still say this I'm god's gift is a ruse no matter what loha really is.

I'm here to hammer but finishing up anyways

[farside22]

@LoHa

: From one Teamliquid expatriate to another... this forum operates much less on ego-boosting and shit-flinging arguments. (Mostly.) Getting a feel for the different meta here is very important. (Same goes for Lhix on that score, actually.)

And yes Titus, your read is being "discredited" because, quite simply, it is worth no credit. Right or wrong, it was terrible.

To repeat myself again: agreeing with you that not much has happened in the thread is NOT a reason he should townread you. Scum frequently make accurate statements.

He shouldn't vote someone whom the only thing he says is he agrees with me. That's the issue. It's a scumclaim. You're placing a strawman.

Man I sense day 2 in my future.

Aqua, do you have anything else to say.
I don't see anyone shifting away from LoHa.
You want my take on it.
I say both LoHa and Titus are scum. I stand by my titus read.
LoHa had a strange moment I saw that makes me think this and Titus self assurance without asking questions is a dead give away with her.

I'm still not sure on the 3rd scum read. Too much lurkers this game. I had higher hopes for Soren then I've gotten so far. Mala is pretty much as expected and is like this regardless of alignment. And well Pisskop, I feel like shaking him up on day 2 to see if he is town or scum because right now it is snooze city with him.

[farside22]

...
Still say this I'm god's gift is a ruse no matter what loha really is.
...

I don't buy Titus-LoHa as a bus, pretty sure.

There is self assured and pushing because you found something in the game that you question and dig at and go crazy about.
Then there is one post that is really just meh and push it and hold it and call anyone scum for for weak reason and use associations for and I call that player scum.
Hell I've done that.
It's scum 101.

[farside22]

have you ever played with scumkop?

Yes sir.
I just can't discuss it.

[farside22]

in fact, unless somebody here is an alt, I dont think any of them has.

Were you in that game were I was an sk?

Hydra and game is still ongoing.

[farside22]

Aqua this is per your question in post 537

Spoiler:

Loha votes me for reasons that aren't clear. The only thing I said was I needed a counter to itep to get things going. That indicates not much is alignment indicative.

Loha sheeps that thought process, but votes me. If he thinks my thought process is scummy, why would he follow it? If he doesn't, then why is he voting me?

All around, that's pretty bad.

This is bs. I'm not sheeping anything.

Just a reminder why Titus pushed this as a scum read in the first place.
I wanted it remembered because it really was very weak and quibbling over a difference in wording that no one would notice.

[3] LoHa ~ farside22, Soren, TheLhix

If scum is on me it's either Titus or TheLhix or both.

He talks about 2 players on his wagon but doesn't explain why those 2 are scum.

Meanwhile I'll take home the fact that aquaman doesn't know why Titus' vote is on me either and that I'm in his lynch pool because my play is thin. Does my postcount or the substance bother you? I've made two alignment indicative arguments for titusscum, the produce of my thin play. You call me scummy because my play is thin, I'd expect a townie with such a fat play as yours to come up with better arguments to base a lynch on, or at least sheep the ones that make sense.

Are you talkative scum?

This is the biggest thing that caught my attention.
He calls titus scum still, there are even votes on titus but instead of pushing any point against her we have random vote time next.

VOTE: pisskop

Fun stops now, scum.

This guy hasn't done anything either.

Let's see if he'll omgus like the other or what.

[farside22]

I wouldnt' trust scumkop to act the same in every game.

I don't trust you ever.
Still love you though.

[farside22]

Well I'm heading off in an hour.
I'll check back then.

[farside22]

Soren is sideling this game for sure.

[farside22]

Is the Soren case just "he's done nothing much" or is there more to it than that?

For me it's meta related.

[farside22]

Soren game town
Just I see more reads there and better questions.
town
More comment in this game and was a leader here.

[farside22]

TBf I'd rather lynch Titus but loha isn't making me feel warm or fuzzy

[farside22]

As much as I hate it there really is no time to start some other wagon with who is here and not everyone agreeing.

I'm heading to bed.
Aqua you still here?

[farside22]

Because I have a lot of experience with titus and I'm pretty sure this isn't her town game. the fact she's ignoring me and could have gone after me for lurking, but chose not to speaks volumes.

I can tell you though she'll be clear for town if LoHa flips scum.

100000% agree with this.

[farside22]

Okay, hands up. Who would vote for:

Titus o/
Soren o/

Attempting a wagon-swap and ending up with a nolynch would be pathetic. Better to check the numbers first.

I don't have time to do the Soren metaread properly. My qualm about lynching him is that I think a flip on Titus or LoHa tells us much more about the day. There is, indeed, basically nothing of substance in his ISO, despite 40-odd posts.

No questions asked.
Titus scum. Lynch please.

[farside22]

Obviously I'm here. Can you hold on for 10-20 minutes while we consider what's feasible?

Sure. I'll finish watch scorpion from Monday.

[farside22]

2 days left and as I said players fighting and some avoiding.
This for sure helps me for day 1 with some reads.


2 hours left and I'm beat.

I wish the Titus wagon happened.
I put some notes together.

[farside22]

Yeah I'm typing like I'm drunk.
Night, night

[farside22]

Let's not get into that, shall we?
I'm sure we both have all sorts of uncomplimentary things to say about the other's play.

I wasn't trying to make this personal but just asking for your vote because I was right before and you were wrong. Your vote should help sort Farside and show who is right or wrong.

I'm Mason

Gfu

Now tell me how you think your weak point was valid

[farside22]

Just going to say this I still say Titus point was weak and wrong.
But I don't know what to think with nos flip.
I think the best point is Soren's vote on loha as bussing.

Vote: Soren

[farside22]

I'm Mason

Gfu

Do you know if pignash crumed or something? I don't understand that shot and I'd like to.

Not that I saw.
We have a pt we talked in and he wasn't very active in it.

Reading back a bit, Kop is another player I'd like to see more from.

[farside22]

...That made more sense in my head.

The point being that I think the large majority of players have an inflated opinion of their own play. Likely including myself.

In other news, a Vigilante claim would give me peace of mind that we're not facing an SK but I'm not sure my peace of mind is worth having the role in the open, especially if it has another shot. Use your own judgement.

True......but sometimes not true.
Just my weird mussing

[farside22]

While I'm thinking I wrote a note in the pt about pisskop.
I thought he read a bit pissy when he was telling loha about self hammering.

So can mod modkill him for playing against his wincon and not selfvoting?

Usually town would be using the time to work things out in the game.
I sort of half wondered if both scums were on the loha wagon at the time

[farside22]

Can we lynch aqua? He makes my headache.

I apologise.

Seriously: I don't really understand where Pisskop is coming from either. I'd like that explained a little more.

It is probably because you're scum.

Don't make me hate you.

[farside22]

You don't think aqua is being shady?

There is a lot of words I would use to describe Aqua and his claim. Shady is not one of them.
The other words would be less kind.

[farside22]

Currently I am trying to decide if Nos was telling the truth in 483

It is interesting to me for farside to just accept an aqua is town game considering everything last day phase. It makes me think impossible thoughts.

Also aqua are you emulating someone? You read like a couple different people posting to me.

This is really simple to me.
But we can talk more about this post game if you want.

Aqui, you are aware theres a player names Kop as well as pisskop?

While I'm thinking I wrote a note in the pt about pisskop.
I thought he read a bit pissy when he was telling loha about self hammering.

So can mod modkill him for playing against his wincon and not selfvoting?

Usually town would be using the time to work things out in the game.
I sort of half wondered if both scums were on the loha wagon at the time

and are you suggesting I would, in addition to throwing him under the bus and pinning him there, i would then publicly state he shoud kill himself instead of doing that in the pt?

with 13p in a normal i feel dumb for that.

no cc, shes town.

Aqui
farside

itle

Id like to see a wagon on titus or soren mostly

I know you can get emotional but I'm leaning Soren as scum at this point.
Vote him with me.

[farside22]

Back to my original reads.

VOTE: Aqua

You're going to explain your wagon attempts better than lol. You're going to explain why you trued to counter wagon me rather than just outright CCing so close to deadline.

There's also the bonus you're in the middle on wagons that aren't scum wagons.

Lol = Policy lynch.

Ok you get to awnser my question little girl.
What is the point of claiming bg after?

[farside22]

VOTE: titus

no. masons do not turn up guilty to your methods. you arent dumb or bad, and i dont buy bullshit at the store so im not buyimg it here

I'm tempted to follow this just because I still don't by Titus scum case at all.
But I'll still with Soren for now

[farside22]

Back to my original reads.

VOTE: Aqua

You're going to explain your wagon attempts better than lol. You're going to explain why you trued to counter wagon me rather than just outright CCing so close to deadline.

There's also the bonus you're in the middle on wagons that aren't scum wagons.

Lol = Policy lynch.

Ok you get to awnser my question little girl.
What is the point of claiming bg after?

Save himself from a Titus tunnel + avoiding any vig shot that may exist

I don't know scum players were physic

[farside22]

The scumkill was made as a discrediting tool.

Pugnash was shit. He admitted he matched his play from prior scum ganes including random free townreads (scum indicator). Why would scum shoot someone like that? If you were dumb crumbing (didn't look), that would explain it but I would imagine that you wouldn't crumb masons.

So why would scum kill a mislynch, to discredit my gut and force me to reevaluate while hoping I overly fixate on you if I don't.

That kill points to Aqua or Yakko as the scum. I doubt Yakko cause VCA foundations. Aqua is good based off initial vca and terribad play to close out.

[farside22]

Everttime I read something from Titus this song comes to mind.

[farside22]

Farside, join me here.

Vote: Titus

[farside22]

okay. Why is she town?

Lynched scum. Was counterwagon to scum.

Case sucked.
Your reasoning behind it was terrible and the associations before a flip all read as scum bussing.
I already showed why before.

[farside22]

Like Im having trouble fully understanding why you did

I could quote how poor the reasoning was if you want.

[farside22]

Tell you what I'll even be the nice person for a moment.
If Titus is that great at finding scum with one post and is town I will totally eat crap and nominate her for paragon of Mafia hunter

[farside22]

Titus case:

VOTE: Loha

Aquanum and Yakko would the next pick.

Loha votes me for reasons that aren't clear. The only thing I said was I needed a counter to itep to get things going. That indicates not much is alignment indicative.

Loha sheeps that thought process, but votes me. If he thinks my thought process is scummy, why would he follow it? If he doesn't, then why is he voting me?

All around, that's pretty bad. If I am right, itepip is almost certainly town.

I say there's not much here until I see a counter wagon.
In the post Loha votes me, he says there's nothing alignment indicative.

My post was pretty fucking clear. It's like people cannot understand English. :@

@farside, cause it's not. The only thing that vote did was eliminate itpip and Lola as buddies.

You can quibble my use of the word buddying, but Loha voting me for reasons he agreed with is rather scummy.

Voting a survival wagon isn't scummy. It's natural instinct unless ipip was explicitly town reading Loha. I didn't see that.

post she is harping about

[farside22]

okay. Why is she town?

Lynched scum. Was counterwagon to scum.

Case sucked.
Your reasoning behind it was terrible and the associations before a flip all read as scum bussing.
I already showed why before.

Ego.

Case was fine. It got people to lynch Loha obvscum. Rather than just saying I am weak because you disagree, you never think I could be right.

You thought the Ocean Persivul case was weak in Blitz One too. Ever consider that you're just dismissing facts as weak?

You never made a case on persivul first off and second not even in the same category.

[farside22]

Oh also, from the site rules:

Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes,

>>> wagers, promises <<<

, "trust tells", alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

Can we not go here?

Fine.

Takes back word on it.

[farside22]

Still say Titus is scum though

[farside22]

okay. Why is she town?

Lynched scum. Was counterwagon to scum.

Case sucked.
Your reasoning behind it was terrible and the associations before a flip all read as scum bussing.
I already showed why before.

Ego.

Case was fine. It got people to lynch Loha obvscum. Rather than just saying I am weak because you disagree, you never think I could be right.

You thought the Ocean Persivul case was weak in Blitz One too. Ever consider that you're just dismissing facts as weak?

You never made a case on persivul first off and second not even in the same category.

I didn't wall Persivul but I laid out why he was scum a lot. Don't need a wall to have a strong case.

Yeah that's why you asked me why he was scum that game.

[farside22]

Scum is 100% in Aqua, Pisskop, Yakko.

Take the bet Farside?

No consequences. Scum's 100% in there Farside. What's your pool?

Scum:
Titus, Soren, pisskop

There is my group

[farside22]

Titus's quote in her sig is my exact thought about the game right now.

So who is scum and why then?

[farside22]

pisskop

che?

You didn't attack Titus day 1 and you could be doing this as scum.
I just see her scum game all over the thread here.

[farside22]

Scum is 100% in Aqua, Pisskop, Yakko.

Take the bet Farside?

No consequences. Scum's 100% in there Farside. What's your pool?

Scum:
Titus, Soren, pisskop

There is my group

Any particular reason not Kop?

Kop is just null.
He was useless the last blitz game I was in and voting pretty awful so I have him as worthless in my head after that.

[farside22]

It feels like a vote on Titus would be a waste, as we figured out the flips of LaHo and Nos.

This is where Titus gets to ride away as a town read for the rest of the game as scum.
Just saying.

[farside22]

It feels like a vote on Titus would be a waste, as we figured out the flips of LaHo and Nos.

This is where Titus gets to ride away as a town read for the rest of the game as scum.
Just saying.

Then how about we confirm other suspicions first? The two on the first day made that possible. We have the ability, time and numbers for it.

Fine.

Vote: Soren

[farside22]

Just saw the hammer.

Still say Titus is scum.
It will take a lot for me to change that.
Pisskop would be my second choice for scum

[farside22]

First blitz game, we've lost almost 1 third of our day and we haven't gone past rvs stage yet. That's concerning.

Welcome farside! Nice to be playing with you again ~
I town read farside's entrance to the game, she goes straight down to business.

Kakashi just looks bad with his "sillyness" act and should stop and play normally.

Just quoted a few posts quickly from Soren's ISO. All observations. The case is Soren does nothing? Really?

How about listening to me when I actually provide true cases rather than threatening to lynch me because my cases are weak to pursue bullshit.

Yakko Pisskop Aqua scums are in there.


Any coincidence they are all on Soren?

This is beyond dumb.
13 players means how many scum left.
Sure as shit not 5

[farside22]

seriously


fuck

[farside22]

I can't believe titus was town.

Sorry about that, I'm going to slap myself a few times later.

Right now I'm going to POE this shit.

Yakko (claimed vig)
Aqua (claimed BG)
farside (mason)

Unknow:

Malakittens
thelynx
kop
itlepip

Going to reread a few players now.

[farside22]

Going to say itlepip is still a town read for me.
leaning town with thelynx

So either Kop or Mala are the last scum this game.

[farside22]

let me know if anyone disagree's with my thought process.

[farside22]

I don't believe a bodyguard and a pair of masons against three scum and an SK is balanced by the standards of this site.

(Note: If there is another PR out there, you should claim now.)

This is more balanced.
Also pip's recent comment leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[farside22]

I don't believe a bodyguard and a pair of masons against three scum and an SK is balanced by the standards of this site.

(Note: If there is another PR out there, you should claim now.)

This is more balanced.
Also pip's recent comment leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Why? This is the only game where I have had to deal with how the game is balanced, I have thoughts on the matter but I can't make a definite claim on whether we have an a balanced game with all the current claims.

Even if, let's say, yakko was an sk. We have scum to deal with and he would have an uphil battle if we lynch scum today to win.

So with that said, who is scum?
Kop or mala?

[farside22]

just doing a break down for a moment.

7 players
1 scum, 6 town.

1 mislynch
1 scum 5 town
yakko shots and scum shots

1scum 3town

I only did this to show with number if yakko is a SK on some crazy side what happens at that point is a no lynch and let scum/sk figure it out.

Any questions in regards to the break down?

[farside22]

Oh I should have mentioned that I only had two bullets.

If you only had 2 bullets why didn't you claim before shooting?

Also back to the balance question what if we are in a world of 2 mafia and a SK versus a BG and 2 masons?

I can't recall that happening in a 13 player game.

[farside22]

TheLynx, can you give me a link or run down to why you think Mala is scum?

[farside22]

To me it isn't, you have to determine if I am town or not. The rest is immaterial. So there is something to do. You are avoiding it.

Oh stop. You know it's hard to figure out if a player is a vig or SK.
FTR I think you are town but I think he isn't scum.

[farside22]

lol
I'm starting to like thelhix.

vote: Mala

yes that is the hammer

[farside22]

Let's do claims right now before anything else.
Kop please claim.

[farside22]

yes mom.

I get that we will have to wait on kop but he is my last scum read right now and I think whom ever is making these kills is inexperience with set up's for normal games.

[farside22]

We're gonna end up lynching kop anyways maybe aqua/lhix. But it is probably gonna be kop.

Why do you think we are going to lose?

[farside22]

Sigh

[farside22]

Vote: Kop

If I'm wrong well it's because of set up spec.

[farside22]

Vote: Kop

If I'm wrong well it's because of set up spec.

You are wrong.

VOTE: Yakko

Vote Yakko with me, or we can go for Lhix.

Why is Lynx scum in your mind?

Should I bother explaining the flaw of lynching a perceived sk that is more likely a vig?

[farside22]

Yahhhhh!
Thank you set up spec!

[farside22]

Sorry mala I second guess my reads after Titus flipped town

[farside22]

GG

that mala lynch should of never happened

...yeah, pretty much

Titus, something for you to remember: when you wanted to lynch

LoHa

there was interest and eventually it happened, even if many of us didn't like your case in particular. When you wanted to lynch

Farside

,

myself

,

Yakko

and

Pisskop

nobody was interested.

Moral of the story - there's more than one reason for people to disagree with you, and it's not always that they are awful or scum.

(Second moral of the story - when your entire mindset appears to be built around OMGUS you don't get taken seriously.)

Wow. Did I say everyone who disagreed was horrible or scum? That's belittling.

Masons register as false positives to me. The reason is there was a townread that was not based in evidence. That's true of scum.

Yako registered as a false positive because he was killing people and sensitive about it. That vig on me was horrible.

Pisskop was attacking obvious town, which only served scum.

Aqua was attempting to wagon town while knowing we wagoned scum. That's lynchworthy.

Town got really lucky here. I was wrong, but seriously I have zero idea how town won this.

It's not titus fault her reads where only right about one player.
It is everyone elses fault for not following blindly and trying to play there own game.

[farside22]

Admittedly I ran the speculation on the game. I knew this game had more then just 2 masons as far as normal goes and one protective role made a lot of sense especially a bg.
The vig was the wild card. He could have been a SK but I found yakko's play extremely town so I was pretty confident when I voted kop in the end.
Also this was my first game I got to be a confirmed town player and I felt a bit freedom in hammering a player without the backlash.

[farside22]

Yeah, thanks scum for shooting my mason buddy so I didn't have to deal with Titus mislynching me based on false associations!!

[farside22]

I was pretty relaxed once I was confirmed.
Mala I am sorry, I should have lynched Kop before you but it's hard not to second guess yourself when you see you were wrong about a scum read.