In post 1444, Froot Loop wrote:In post 1430, Froot Loop wrote:
@Titus - I agree that Max is still scummy. He's voted for Huntress before so this is going back to a previous thought. He seems kind of apathetic and isn't responding much to the suspicion on him. This is subjective, so I don't think it's AI, but it's not doing anything to change my opinion.
In post 1447, Roshar wrote:Yo, Mhs, what is your opinion on the allegation (singular) Lowell made against me?
You've been stating recently that you've found me off for one reason or another, and you've stated you'll embark on a re-read of my ISO. You haven't held true with that.
In post 1408, Maxous wrote:Huntress votes Roshar for a quite a while.
Lowell and Roshar have a big back and forth and then Huntress...writes #1371 and pops out again.
like, didn't even address or comment on it at all.
In post 1371, Huntress wrote:I'm only pushing one read at the moment.The others are sitting on the back burner because I want to reread some stuff in context first and then update my reads.I should be able to do some of that tomorrow.
In post 1411, Titus wrote:I think Maxous is flailing scum here, looking for things to attack. He sees that his initial offer on Lowell is gaining little traction, so he sheep's the first case stated by someone else on Huntress. His big deal is Huntress didn't comment. Yet, Maxous completely ignored the allegation by Lowell that Roshar was fishing for votes on him.
In post 1454, Roshar wrote:In post 1411, Titus wrote:I think Maxous is flailing scum here, looking for things to attack. He sees that his initial offer on Lowell is gaining little traction, so he sheep's the first case stated by someone else on Huntress. His big deal is Huntress didn't comment. Yet, Maxous completely ignored the allegation by Lowell that Roshar was fishing for votes on him.
You mean he accused Huntress of not analyzing my interaction with Lowell, yet he didn't analyze Lowell himself - who was his scum read. If that's what you meant then, I can see your point. I.e He should be analyzing a slot he finds scummy himself. Although I've learned town can find people scummy for things they've unconsciously done themselves. So, on the whole, I'd be hesitant to derive much out of this.
What I thought was scummy was that despite Huntress not commenting on anything, and was essentially prod-dodging, he made it seem like she was purposely avoiding commenting on me.
In post 1436, a plain farmer wrote:I'll try to comment on some other things tomorrow, but for now I'll address a couple things directed to me:
In post 1413, Froot Loop wrote:In post 1405, a plain farmer wrote:Faq's 1395 seems rather fabricated to me, and trying to snowball a wagon would be a something I'd expect from scum at this time of day. Lowell was right when he suggested his general unhelpfulness up to this point makes him the easy wagon to jump on, so his would be a good choice for scum looking to make one of the wagons the frontrunner.
What is about FAQ's post which makes you think it was fabricated?
The way FAQ contends that Lowell is scummy is rather implicit and oblique. "Why go there and ignore Rosh's push back?" and "This statement really does not make sense." are things he could say to let readers piece together in their own minds why Lowell is scum, giving FAQ the benefit of the doubt, and allowing him to say that he's town and he was merely a little bit lazy with that post.
Then consider the circumstances: the day is winding down, his vote made Lowell the largest wagon, and Lowell is a rather easy vote at the moment. It reeks to me of subtly trying to direct the town towards a mislynch.
In post 1428, FA_Q2 wrote:0The interesting thing about this statement (and your vote) is that applies equally to what you just pulled. Further, you avoided anything I have actually stated, utterly ignored the case I put forth and essentially said I am scum because I voted loewll. Not even a question or a challenge for me to answer.
Very poor vote :/
I did leave you a thing to chew on:
In post 1403, a plain farmer wrote:I'm still interested in the answer to this question, btw, even though he seems to have moved on:
In post 1321, a plain farmer wrote:@Fack: Is the Johnny vote because of the "threatening"? And is it really worse in your eyes than what you saw Titus doing?
Oh, ok. I misunderstood. Not lying, just really, really, disliked Greg so much that he considered total absence better than the posts Greg offered when he returned. That's some pretty serious hostility. Only town gets that self-righteous
In post 1339, Lowell wrote:In post 1337, Roshar wrote:And excuse me if I'm not extremely confident in my scum reads. Not everyone plays the game like you do, Lowell. Excuse me if I like to get fresh input on the main wagon (esp after Clumsy had new posts). What is the point of asking players already on the wagon for their recent feedback? Their vote already is on Clumsy. The only logical reason is to see if they've changed their opinions after Clumsy's recent posting. So how the hell is this pushing the Clumsy wagon?
Nice try, but no. It's not that you wanted "fresh input." If you had, you would have asked someone who hadn't already weighed in. You asked me specifically because youalready knewmy view on clumsy and wanted me to be my typical bombastic self and move the wagon forward so you wouldn't have to.
In post 1089, Roshar wrote:In terms of Clumsy's actual content, I don't feel better about it. It's more him feeling bad about being a liability. That parts kinda getting to me. B/c that would be the correct town response to being falsely accused as town. But shouldn't there be some anger and bitterness too? Like 'Screw you guys, I hope it hurts when I flip town?'
Now, on to the actual content. I don't like how his read on me changed. Reading something the first time and thinking it's town, then going back and thinking it's scummy, is a thing. But vice-versa, reading something and finding it scummy the first time, then upon a reread thinking it's town, is just never a thing that has occurred to me. Which makes me think his read on me the first time was empty and going with the flow of things.
He gives lukewarm reads without backing them up and easily retracts them. His read on froot has changed as well, and it's almost making me feel like he gave his original town read on Froot just to appease us.
But his tone is making me hesitate.
Input anyone? Mhs, Apf, replacements maybe?
What do you think Lowell?
In post 1152, Roshar wrote:Indeed.
@Nosferatu,(mhs and APF too if you can) what's your read on Max and him advocating Huntress for the lynch in 1077 (her only post with game content at the time of the scum read was 971 and Jeanne's 857 and 863) and then his subsequent vote on her a couple pages later? Last I remember you were giving Jake a town read (and he gave you a town read as well). I should add Max found Jeane suspicious in 939.
Just realized his post 1077 he didn't bother voting for either lynch candidates. Much conviction.
Back to this.
VOTE: Maxous
@Max, what happened to your APF scum read in 937? (I'm calling it a scum read ofc, b/c you advocated his lynch earlier).
Guys, deadline is nearing, let's reach common ground on this.
In post 1460, Lowell wrote:@titus- I don't understand the "max is flailing scum" here. I don't see it. And I almost always think everyone is flailing.
Can we get a lynch here or what. rosh is correct, but I'll pretty much lynch anyone save for titus, huntress, APL, and maybe one or two others I'm forgetting right now.
In post 1470, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Ooh joy. Anticipate my replacing out if I start arguing with Gar, he takes all the fun out of mafia.
Have I missed anything? I'm not willing to read between the NKA and pointless speculation of the last few pages. People ignoring Titus are stupid right now.
In post 1446, Roshar wrote:In post 1438, Froot Loop wrote:
@Roshar - I'm not questioning your opinion and I'm not questioning that the neighbour could be viewed with suspicion. I'm questioning that this has been mentioned in the thread three times and it's speculation and won't lead anywhere. I don't think speculation is helpful and I'm more worried about it when it fosters suspicion because that's what I think is done by scum players.
I wouldn't call it speculation. I'd call it an association. That's where we disagree.
In post 1446, Roshar wrote:In post 1434, Roshar wrote:I didn't consider the value of the conversation, mainly because value to me would mean a PR result. One they wouldn't get at that point. If there's another form of value to be gained, please enlighten me.
Do you mean about the conversation in the neighbourhood? You want me to try and come up with possible valuable things that could have been said?
I want you to back up your idea that there is some value to be had that doesn't involve a PR result. Hypothetical situations. I'm taking into consideration that I've never played a game that involved a neighbor and that there may be value I haven't considered
In post 1440, Maxous wrote:In post 1430, Froot Loop wrote:@Titus - I agree that Max is still scummy. He's voted for Huntress before so this is going back to a previous thought. He seems kind of apathetic and isn't responding much to the suspicion on him. This is subjective, so I don't think it's AI, but it's not doing anything to change my opinion.
well, what do you want.
I'm trying to explain to people to lynch the lurk-scum but everyone is being a backseat driver nitpickinghowi'm trying to push the read.
Somebody explain why they think she's town then.
In post 1329, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 1328, Froot Loop wrote:@Johnny - what do you mean by 'lost'? I understand that Max is saying scum can have difficulty with reads because they're basically all made up. You don't agree with this?
Oh see I hear that as "scum is bad at Mafia" which is a dangerous thing to assume
In post 1450, Titus wrote:In post 1444, Froot Loop wrote:In post 1430, Froot Loop wrote:
@Titus - I agree that Max is still scummy. He's voted for Huntress before so this is going back to a previous thought. He seems kind of apathetic and isn't responding much to the suspicion on him. This is subjective, so I don't think it's AI, but it's not doing anything to change my opinion.
I think it is AI.
In post 1466, Titus wrote:Umm Frozen Angel and Jake from State Farm aren't in this game?