Mini 1816: Magical Girls Mafia (Game Over)

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Confirm replace will read later at work.

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Okay just got to page two but I have to finish some stuff tonight for work and with an opening like page two and dictionary definitions this looks like my kinda game. Will post more in depth thoughts later.

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kuroi voted me if i am seeing this correctly
and mathblade hasn't sounded very good
i'm always opposed to types that give excuses rather than just not talking at all
but why

Haven't caught up yet from the prior stuff but I can't look good or not good. I have been at work! I can understand scumreading me for having a life is bullshit. I expected to be off work 6 hours ago and able to have caught up so people could read me. When I realized that wouldn't happen I dropped something so people would understand where I was.

That being said while I think this is extremely offensive I think it makes you town.

VOTE: Unvote

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I can understand scumreading me for my prior slot but scumreading me for not posting is bullshit*

Merged thoughts

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I am going home and going to sleep. See y'all tomorrow.

Pedit
@Tne -- Towniest town that ever did town.

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IMHO it is probably random,Varsoon, and zakk.

That early push on TNE was shit.Also don't like how Cephrir (who I believe replaced into the Zakk slot) is not voting obv scum random.

Cephrir's vote on Akame feels all kinds of wrong.

VOTE: Intent to vote random just gotta double check votes

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VOTE: randomidget

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Varsoon is town here, so is Wisdom probably.

The way random highlights Varsoon multiple times (similar to this) and calls Varsoon town feels like someone trying to implant a suggestion of Varsoon being town rather than believing it.

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the view from page 10:
town: HM, Heat, Varsoon? pie??
scum: honestly, my slot

Another post trying to sneak in Varsoon town...

And claimed scum too is awesome.

And if you say "this was a joke" then your entire read wall is a joke and you are just spamming which ergo makes you scum.

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I have never seen Varsoon try this hard to lynch anyone, _ever_. I actually am very _not_ satisfied with it.

This. So this.

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just getting my database working properly, need to do a few things still then make some sort of application for easy inserts/updates

also waiting for randomidget to show up and say something but i figure ill do something that seems productive (even though it's mostly a waste of time) before then

I work in IT for a living so hearing someone make databases makes me happy.

<3 So glad I have a townread on you.

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that mathblade vote put random at l-1
wow
didn't even notice it
i'm not even being facetious

I did. I just didn't go "claim" because Random has fucking played before. I wanted to see who of my scum reads would be the first chicken to back off.

I am just surprised a town read did. That kinda throws a loop in my random/Varsoon/Cephrir theory. Might be possible Varsoon is swapped with long medium and you were intentionally trying to piss me off earlier. Regardless random is the lynch today and the fact you just "hop off" is hella suspicious.

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IMHO it is probably random,Varsoon, and zakk.

That early push on TNE was shit.Also don't like how Cephrir (who I believe replaced into the Zakk slot) is not voting obv scum random.

Cephrir's vote on Akame feels all kinds of wrong.

VOTE: Intent to vote random just gotta double check votes

this post just feels all kinds of wrong
like setup for a future day

that mathblade vote put random at l-1
wow
didn't even notice it
i'm not even being facetious

Your post feels like that. You unvoted and threw more shade at me, yet you still do not vote me.

Oh right? Because you know I will flip town and you don't want to have your vote on me. That's why.

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VOTE: Mathblade

Pls tho

Nice OMGUS there. You got any reasons for your bullshit?

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The wagon falling off is very fishy or rather would be if it wasnt going over another scumread, im probably doing something wrong, and i still dont know what that something is.

-Luna

mathblade does have a reasonable chance of being scum

i kind of want to give her a little more time to turn the slot around but it is currently still pointed towards hell

Then your GPS is busted but then again calling you out as scum so you kinda have to say I am scum.

Gee what a shock. After I suggest random/Varsoon/Cephrir they come guns blazing. The only thing that doesn't make sense is the Long Medium Unvote and how that fits in.

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Yeah, but when you call my vote 'bullshit' and say it's an OMGUS, it discourages me to post at all.

Yes. Because you are scum trying to mess with this game. If the slightest pressure dis incentivizes your posting then this game will not bode well because I will be sending a lot of pressure your way until I understand why the heck your original push of TNE was done. Until I understand why you do things and give reasons your votes get called bullshit. Deal with it.

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if i answered that question then i would be 50% less of an alt

not really, I've played with a lot of people

Not seeing anything wrong with MathBlade?

Fences are bad. Stop alt hunting. I still am pissed my alt got outed and haven't been able to play with it since. Stop. I think medium's play is weird but alt hunting is offensive. Medium is medium. I don't give a shit who they "were" it is who they are in this game that matters.

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Once again, you're so aggressively wrong that it is stunning.
My push on you has nothing to do with your scumteam suggestion. Try again.

Error: reasons not provided.
Conclusion: OMGUS still in effect

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I'm just waiting for something

I'll do things when I need to

VOTE: TheNewEarth
Was it you being lynched?
Can it be you being lynched that you're waiting for?

oh. i can answer that last one in 513... that was varsoon establishing himself as the alpha bully in this game

You know it, nerd.

Yes because this and the four posts after are such valid "reasons" and then just repeatedly saying "let's lynch TNE" that completely counts as reasons /sarcasm

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If I provide reasons, will you admit that you've been lying?

1) I am not lying.
2) I am already breaking down your ISO.
3) Stop asking leading questions:

It is like the lawyer joke "When did you stop hitting your wife?" It supposed things that are not true and then tries to assume they are. You are assuming I am lying with your question and quite frankly I am not. I don't see what constitutes a reason. I see vote dropping and leaving it there.

It is when I call you out you switch votes.

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I know, it's just a lame part of the game for me.
Just because a dude claims something like Cop doesn't mean we should townread him outright.
Just because someone claims something super anti-town doesn't mean we should scumread them outright.
Like, yeah, it should influence how we read them, and we should consider if they are claiming truthfully, etc.
But the mechanical truths of the game shouldn't supersede the rhetorical play.


P-EDIT: Flighty, poor vote on me, I remember specific posts I didn't like.
It's early in this game so far and I'm not a great mafia player, but I feel better about TNE scum than anyone else so far.

This is not a "reason" you just call the vote poor and move on.

Oh and this shit about to get real. Gonna break down your ISO that somehow you magically had prepared. I don't apologize to scum ever.

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Secondly in that post you waffle "I am not a great Mafia player" this gives you space to back off if your planned TNE push went south.

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@Pieguy: So... your defense of yourself is just as nebulous as TNE's rubbish. "It's a secret." "I was secretly scumreading them first, too!" C'mon.
I'm not going to just give you a pass because you are waving your hand. I don't fall for jedi mind-tricks.

Why indulge their self-afflicted post restriction? Why not just browbeat them into actual engagement with the game?

what self-afflicted post restriction?

wait a minute...

nene, have you been playing me for a fool this whole time?

i don't have an issue with nene being like she is

bigots like you and wisdom can't be allowed to talk down to people like that

I can't seriously believe that you think Nene's restriction is real and that you're staging this as wisdom/I are bullies for not going along with their cutesy rubbish. Build up the false narrative as much as you want, but I know you aren't this naive.

This post is invalid as all of it is at Pieguyn. Try harder.

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The clear TNE beetlejuice shows that TNE was just lurking out while everyone frustrates the situation with AK.

Or they could have been offline due to RL. The fact is you used offline to try to frame TNE rather than ask a question. This is more trying to paint TNE as scummy than actually believing it.

No one is expected to be great at Mafia it is a game of guess work. However to openly admit it for a back door out I have a problem with. Own your shit.

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This post is invalid as all of it is at Pieguyn. Try harder.

I guess you're incapable of reading the part where I liken it to TNE and the source of my frustration comes from the same place that it does in regards to TNE

But hey fuck me, right?

All you said "TNE rubbish" again no reason why.

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there is a very, very small pool of players i consider to actually be good at mafia

It seems less like a pool and more like a lil' jacuzzi. I know I'm not stretchin' in it, 'cus I'm a bad boy, a real shit knitter, a total skankosaurus.
But I still like to try to play, y'know. I still try to contribute. I still try to win and have fun and mostly win.

Anyway...

And I was expected to react with the first interaction

The thing is we could have all avoided this by not posting at all

I've learned that in a past. Some things aren't just worth answering

yes, and that's why i know you're not answering them. my biggest issue with how you've played the game is that it's hard to tell whether you think you're answering the questions or whether you're deliberately not answering them and pretending you have

i mean, the biggest example of my own line of questioning that never got a direct answer was the stuff about varsoon, how you somehow managed to "hit submit" at post #93 without reading past it, why you went back there afterwards, etc. yes, you gave

an

answer to my questions, but it wasn't actually answering what i was asking

so i gave up and decided nothing you were going to say about it was going to mean anything

similarly, i've been following pieguy's interactions with you and while you give

an

answer to some of pieguy's questions, you're also not answering the actual questions

and i have difficulty parsing whether you think you are or whether you're pretending you are

Yeah, how is that not a scum strategy, zmuffin?
Like seriously
"Oh I'm not gonna engage with anything because engagement and clarity can be anti-town sometimes so I'll avoid it all the times."
Like that is straight up scummy.
That's not how I'm used to TNE playing.
That's not how I've really ever seen town play.
I've seen people play distanced games. Even I have played a distanced game. This is a far shot from that.

Here the first is one actual thing close to a reason and it is one word "meta". Which is bullshit. This is tne's town meta having played with them recently. Just because someone doesn't play in the way YOU expect doesn't make them town or scum. It makes them different.

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Dude, I literally just admitted that I am not great at mafia.
That's owning my shit.
Me lying by saying it's whatever scum bullshit you've hypothesized?
That'd be lying.

No it isn't. It is an excuse to backpedal.

"Oops" I lynched town..."guess I am not great at Mafia".

Owning your shit would be admitting you had no reasons for pushing. TNE in the first place.

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This post is invalid as all of it is at Pieguyn. Try harder.

I guess you're incapable of reading the part where I liken it to TNE and the source of my frustration comes from the same place that it does in regards to TNE

But hey fuck me, right?

All you said "TNE rubbish" again no reason why.

Are you literally incapable of reading?
Yes, if you ignore all the other words in that sentence, sure.

I didn't. You compared Pieguyn to TNE's rubbish which you had failed to demonstrate. Saying I am ignoring things is false. There are literally no reasons in that post and you still don't have any for me now except "lying" which I am not and I am demonstrating why I believe what I do.

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What makes him scum other than you disliking his playstyle?

This is not a defense of TNE as town.
Try again.
I've already detailed why he is scum.
Furthermore, him sheeping the low-hanging Kuroi wagon is the type of garbage that we need to get rid of.

I'm sorry that my refusal to fold my reads in and sheep outspoken, collectively-townread players is a 'tunnel' to you.

Here Wisdom points out your shit. He mentions the same thing I just did about the only thing you have said towards TNE is meta. You don't say Wisdom is lying here.

No you don't. And you don't explain it either. Instead you push Wisdom with sarcasm. I point your your stuff you push me. This is very familiar.

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...except that I did. TNE was refusing to engage and put down content, all while hiding behind acting like he had reasons for his actions and reads, all of which were so-called secrets he still hasn't shared.

Expressing self-doubt doesn't have to be some huge scum sweeping rhetorical play. Sometimes, a player can just fucking say a thing.

Except when that thing is a scum role PM. Which IMO yours is.

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@Pieguy: So... your defense of yourself is just as nebulous as TNE's rubbish. "It's a secret." "I was secretly scumreading them first, too!" C'mon.
I'm not going to just give you a pass because you are waving your hand. I don't fall for jedi mind-tricks.

The defense is AS NEBULOUS as TNE's rubbish.
In that sentence, I express both frustration with Pieguy's defense and TNE's play--my primary point of contention is how nebulous both are.

Neb·u·lous

nebyələs
Adjective
1. In the form of a cloud or haze; hazy.
EX: "a giant nebulous glow"
Synonyms: indistinct, indefinite, unclear, vague, hazy, cloudy, fuzzy, misty, blurred, blurry, foggy; More

2. (Of a concept or idea) unclear, vague, or ill-defined.
EX: "nebulous concepts like quality of life"
Synonyms: vague, ill-defined, unclear, hazy, uncertain, indefinite, indeterminate, imprecise, unformed, muddled, confused, ambiguous
"nebulous ideas"

The examples I have provided in quotations speak towards what I find

nebulous

and

rubbish

about both TNE's play and Pieguy's defense.

I finalize my point by stating that "I'm not going to just give you a pass because you are waving your hand." This explains my stance in regards to Pieguy, but further reinforces my tenacity in pushing TNE over playing in a similar way.

1) You don't demonstrate anything in that post about TNE's "rubbish".
2) the examples in quotations of that post are zmuffinman. Again no TNE quotes.
3) My aggression is off putting. Deal. I was town in that game and town in this one. I am going to say what I believe.

If you don't like it tough cookies. I don't change my play because scum don't like it. I poke and pressure til I see something that changes my mind. Nice attempt at trying to butter me up with the dictionary quote by the way.

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Oh this is rich coming from someone who faked a guilty on me that game. I had every reason to think you were Salarian and I followed up. When you were Turian and not fake claiming guilties I left you alone. When you started trying to lynch town I pushed you.

These things are simple. You look like you are trying to vote someone without reasons and are still voting me on the flimsiest bullshit of "lying" when I have demonstrated why I think what I do.

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OMG that game you claimed to have more powers than I can count.

...Yes that is my point. In this game I am someone you have to lynch/kill to win because I am town. You are clearly proving my point here.

No one was going to kill you as I outlined several times :/ And as a claimed lightning rod no one believed your cop stuff anyway.

My mentality is get Varsoon to explain why they believe what they do.
Still no reasons.

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Give reasons. Not just say you did and put lipstick on a pig and call it such.

And if you are town reading me as the recently conversations seem to imply why are you voting me still?

Random is the lynch today.

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So, what are these, then, if not my reasons for voting TNE?
Is this 'putting lipstick on a pig'?

No.
TNE has offered no content that advances the game.
TNE has consistently sheeped 'safe' reads and wagons.
TNE has, when pressured or asked questions that would help other people discern TNE's alignment, dodged the questions or discussion entirely.
TNE has actively lurked.

These are all facets of scummy, anti-town at best, play. TNE should be lynched.

TNE tried to shift for a push on me predicated on the idea that I was soft-claiming, when I wasn't at all.
TNE laid a very flimsy vote on you without any reasoning supporting it. When pressured for reasons, he gave none.
TNE consistently keeps placating any pressure put on him with nebulous "It is a secret" or "I am waiting on something" sorts of posts. You're enabling him to do this by not voting him until he either gives content or admits he has none.

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1000 posts after your original post no longer counts as reasons for your initial vote. Furthermore it is all "TNE doesn't post enough". It isn't a reason.

@TNE -- I don't "know" anything.

What I do see is Varsoon playing towards an agenda and I am calling it out clearly with my reasons why. I am not trying to "discredit Varsoon". I am demonstrating that there is nothing there to credit.

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I am going to shoot things. Need to take a chill pill as all this bullshit is causing my allergies to flare up.

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Good god don't let Rando get away with fucking scum claiming in the thread people.

Pieguyn you are confbiasing. That is bad. I am demonstrating what I believe but no one is actually trying to read me for me or post reasons why I am scum (which I am not) instead they are basing it off of Kuroi's play. I understand it was shit but if you are going to call me scum then call me scum for something I posted. Otherwise this is just a sheep of people OMGUSing which is how bullshit wagons start.

There is enough content for people to get a read of me independent of Kuroi. I can't change what he did but I can change what I do and what I am going to do is help town.

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VC 1.15

thenewearth (1):

randomidget

Cephrir (1):

Akame and Kurome

Mathblade (4):

Natirasha, zMuffinMan, thenewearth, Genji

randomidget (6):

Honey Moon, pieguyn, Varsoon, SirCakez, long_island_medium, Mathblade

Akame and Kurome (1):

Cephrir

Not Voting:

None

With

13

votes,

7

to lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-08-10 19:19:51).

long_island_medium replaces Wisdom.
Mathblade replaces KuroiXHF.

And what do you know...Cephrir fucking hammers.

Called it. Varsoon and Cephrir fucking called it people.

If I die tonight pressure the hell out of these two.

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Oh wait except I think that is l-1 with medium moving off. Derp.

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Far as I am concerned I know I am town and random saying it is half right is a scum claim.

1) Half right comes from a place of knowledge.
2) it looks as if he is trying to call me scum but never actually votes me instead he keeps his vote on TNE. Because he probably knows if I die the rest of the team is going down.
3) Random is clearly trying to get a lynch on anyone but himself while trying to doubtcast my theory.

Random needs rope.

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will get to this later today, been busy

AUTO GENERATED VOTECOUNT 1.03

MathBlade (5):

Natirasha, zMuffinMan, thenewearth, Genji, Varsoon

randomidget (5):

Honey Moon, pieguyn, SirCakez, MathBlade, Pumbaa

thenewearth (1):

randomidget

Pumbaa (1):

Akame and Kurome

Not Voting (1):

long_island_medium

13 alive, 7 to lynch, (expired on 2016-08-10 19:19:51)

Cephrir is on random. Just didn't use while name.

@Genji probably we should agree on who should transform assuming any remaining scum will. Maybe like the towniest people (as thread determined) should each day to make sure under the limit.

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@Genji probably we should agree on who should transform assuming any remaining scum will. Maybe like the towniest people (as thread determined) should each day to make sure under the limit.

Do you not think that having the scum know who is transforming is giving the scum too much info of the players who have powers for that night?

Do you think all the town will follow a plan and if they don't will you consider them scummy for transforming against the groups decisions?

The way I read it is each person has two powers. The top and if they transform the latter. So every person has powers.

And as for finding them scummy it would depend on the explanation. For example if someone transformed and got the power to kill a shit ton of people and then a shit ton died that would be scummy. However if they explain it as I have a protective transformation power and I was pretty sure scum would shoot X and no one died then I would be okay with that. It would require explanation.

Mod -- Are players who transform and/or attempt to publically announced? I am thinking not as it would expose anyone not scum (assuming no SK) to instantly know who has uber powers?

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I officially don't care which of these flaming scumbos we lynch today

I would prefer a mathblade lynch today.

I would prefer if we lynch scum today and look at Random townfirming me seriously like wtf.

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VC 1.15

thenewearth (1):

randomidget

Cephrir (1):

Akame and Kurome

Mathblade (4):

Natirasha, zMuffinMan, thenewearth, Genji

randomidget (6):

Honey Moon, pieguyn, Varsoon, SirCakez, long_island_medium, Mathblade

Akame and Kurome (1):

Cephrir

Not Voting:

None

With

13

votes,

7

to lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-08-10 19:19:51).

long_island_medium replaces Wisdom.
Mathblade replaces KuroiXHF.

And what do you know...Cephrir fucking hammers.

Called it. Varsoon and Cephrir fucking called it people.

If I die tonight pressure the hell out of these two.

What the fuck you were just saying random was scum too why would you be mad about this

And vars on got off as well pay attention scum

I care because it displays exactly what I think is going on and people are too stuck on Kuroi scum to listen to me.

Getting oil changed be back later.

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You cannot actually be telling me you believe that half right post was intended to say "math is town and I am scum". Surely there is no way anyone could think that.

Cephrir is on random. Just didn't use while name.

hes in my votecount...

i just have a special line in my procedure

CASE WHEN V.userName = 'Cephrir' THEN 'Pumbaa' ELSE V.userName END

this is one of the best things I've ever seen.

Select emoticon from emotions where user = MathBlade and user = happy and reason = "Someone who knows SQL"

Result
Emoticon
:):):):):):):):):):):)

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You cannot actually be telling me you believe that half right post was intended to say "math is town and I am scum". Surely there is no way anyone could think that.

Yes I believe he is and when random flips people will see why you are Varsoon switched to tunneling me and avoiding random.

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I am just surprised a town read did. That kinda throws a loop in my random/Varsoon/Cephrir theory. Might be possible Varsoon is swapped with long medium and you were intentionally trying to piss me off earlier. Regardless random is the lynch today and the fact you just "hop off" is hella suspicious.

im going to guess at some point in the next few pages this is already answered but why is it "hella suspicious"?

because my first thought when someone (especially a town read) unvotes someone at l-1 isn't usually, "that's hella suspicious and throws a loop in my reads this game"

Not seeing anything wrong with MathBlade?

i dunno if i've pointed out the cakez-kuroi(slot) interactions this game but i feel like this should be the first place a lot of people look if mathblade flips scum

or at least it should be given some serious examination

Random has been floating around at L-1/2 for a while now. Yet in all the chaos no one is asking why people are hopping off and on or why people are doing things.

As soon as I replace into this slot people suddenly abandon what looks to be a random bus and start screaming for my lynch. This cannot be a coincidence.

In the Mafia wiki by the way "Can we lynch X now?" Is considered a scum tell.

You don't have reads if you are scum Varsoon. The only thing that changed is wanting to save your butt.

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It's almost like you came into the thread with a terrible intro and gave lots of good reason to vote you and I already voiced desire to consolidate wagons and people made it clear TNE lynch isn't happening even though that's what I want
but hey pervert it into whatever suits your narrative I guess

....You mean that thing we hashed over for a few pages where you just wanted TNE are looking for a way not to talk about your random reads and want me dead by OMGUS? We have been down this road. Giving another fake explanation for what is horrible won't help.

Random is the lynch today.

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if i answered that question then i would be 50% less of an alt

not really, I've played with a lot of people

Not seeing anything wrong with MathBlade?

Fences are bad. Stop alt hunting. I still am pissed my alt got outed and haven't been able to play with it since. Stop. I think medium's play is weird but alt hunting is offensive. Medium is medium. I don't give a shit who they "were" it is who they are in this game that matters.

Knowing whether I've played with medium before would help a lot with my reads

will get to this later today, been busy

AUTO GENERATED VOTECOUNT 1.03

MathBlade (5):

Natirasha, zMuffinMan, thenewearth, Genji, Varsoon

randomidget (5):

Honey Moon, pieguyn, SirCakez, MathBlade, Pumbaa

thenewearth (1):

randomidget

Pumbaa (1):

Akame and Kurome

Not Voting (1):

long_island_medium

13 alive, 7 to lynch, (expired on 2016-08-10 19:19:51)

Do something

Jfc Varsoon vs Math was terrible to read. Given Varsoon has been a townread all game I'm pretty sure Math is scum here (yes I was wrong earlier about not seeing anything wrong with his posts, his stuff during his 1v1 was garbage), and would lynch there. Random still viable too though.

Alt hunting is disgusting to me. If someone wants to maintain the effort of 3000 alts then they can. However I will not consider them experienced in any way because then they can't say what they have done. This game is this game. If you can't formulate reads on this game without knowing who the person is in the background there be problems.

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Half right comes from a place of knowledge

not really

it looks as if he is trying to call me scum but never actually votes me instead he keeps his vote on TNE

Random is clearly trying to get a lynch on anyone but himself

this seems logically inconsistent

There were posts in that time that explain it.

It is simple.

Random calls me scum. Won't vote me. Keeps trying the TNE thing likely scumbuddy Varsoon was pushing. It is as if he doesn't care where his vote goes which is my point. He is trying to get a lynch on me without actually voting but also keeping a door open for TNE. Thus trying to get a lynch on anyone but himself.

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You don't have reads if you are scum Varsoon. The only thing that changed is wanting to save your butt.

because widely townread varsoon was under so much pressure

Yes. Because if I am right Cephrir knows I pressure hard. If I see scum I poke it I prod it. I am loud. I bring all of the cards to the table and I have no regrets. If I can open up people's eyes to read my slot rather than sheep we might just have a chance at this. But right now people are chaining up mislynches and it is terribad.

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Ceph, just let Mathblade be wrong.
There's no convincing him otherwise once he's made up his mind.
It's a pointless endeavor and just ends with him making a lot of noise.

Or you mean you are scared because you might slip.

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and yes, i am aware that dictating a pool of 5 players pretty much tells scum where to shoot, that is also part of why it's not so bad an idea if the right group of players is actioning (e.g. i'd probably choose pumbaa, genji, nene, tne, varsoon or something like that, dunno, maybe swap one for honey moon - i don't know how likely it is that all those names are town but that doesn't really matter)

This is a dumb list and has multiple scum on it. I agree in discussing who should action but it should be a town consensus. I town read you but this is full of derp.

IMHO the list should be Muffin, Genji, Honey Moon, Pieguyn, and tne. Cephrir and Varsoon should not be in that list else you give scum the ability to wreck us.

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oh so post count determines how much you've done? then i suppose ive done enough work for the first four day phases, lurking until d5 guys!

You got it!

That's only evcen true because of all the replacements

Actually a fair point <.<

if i answered that question then i would be 50% less of an alt

not really, I've played with a lot of people

Not seeing anything wrong with MathBlade?

Fences are bad. Stop alt hunting. I still am pissed my alt got outed and haven't been able to play with it since. Stop. I think medium's play is weird but alt hunting is offensive. Medium is medium. I don't give a shit who they "were" it is who they are in this game that matters.

Knowing whether I've played with medium before would help a lot with my reads

will get to this later today, been busy

AUTO GENERATED VOTECOUNT 1.03

MathBlade (5):

Natirasha, zMuffinMan, thenewearth, Genji, Varsoon

randomidget (5):

Honey Moon, pieguyn, SirCakez, MathBlade, Pumbaa

thenewearth (1):

randomidget

Pumbaa (1):

Akame and Kurome

Not Voting (1):

long_island_medium

13 alive, 7 to lynch, (expired on 2016-08-10 19:19:51)

Do something

Jfc Varsoon vs Math was terrible to read. Given Varsoon has been a townread all game I'm pretty sure Math is scum here (yes I was wrong earlier about not seeing anything wrong with his posts, his stuff during his 1v1 was garbage), and would lynch there. Random still viable too though.

Alt hunting is disgusting to me. If someone wants to maintain the effort of 3000 alts then they can. However I will not consider them experienced in any way because then they can't say what they have done. This game is this game. If you can't formulate reads on this game without knowing who the person is in the background there be problems.

I can formulate reads, it's just much easier to do it with some meta!

Unless it is a very distinct shift (I.E. They are posting in another language or posting 280000 fewer posts or suddenly using different sentence structure) this is a horrible way to read someone. Furthermore you would have only established a difference. A difference or similarity in meta isn't what makes someone scum. Their play is what makes someone scum. If someone had a reliable scum tell or town tell they'd have to work on fixing that. Seriously stop trying to use "meta". Like in 1800 (a recent scum game) we fucked with site meta hard and won that. So you do yourself no favors by using "meta" it might as well be praying to rng to give you the right answer.

[MathBlade]

That was both. It was demonstrating a point.

Work for MB now.

[MathBlade]

Me* fuck spell check

[MathBlade]

Long day today. Count me in the actioning pile since we aren't going off a list.

[MathBlade]

Will address the rest of the thread after taking care of RL stuff tonight that came up.

[MathBlade]

With a scumread in that list I am acting. Since Varsoon is acting I am.

And I am a they.

[MathBlade]

Stealing first kisses is horrible Sircakez!

VOTE: SirCakez

[MathBlade]

How did two kills happen?

[MathBlade]

Let's assume scum is one of the kills as a faction kill.

How exactly does the second trigger? Shooting new earth or zMuffin is stupid as a town vig. Like why would someone shoot at new earth or zMuffin? This is a game where there is no SK based on the sample PM. So either scum have two kills or a town vig tried to shoot one of those two people. Like what the hell?

[MathBlade]

I have a headache and gotta work tomorrow. Would really appreciate ideas here because 2 deaths makes no sense :/

[MathBlade]

I agree with this and I'm town. It will at least help people realize Varsoon and Cephrir is the team *sigh* Like I'm even wondering how I'm alive.

[MathBlade]

OOOK, you're saying that despite the fact it's obvious Cakez is one of the scum, which you have already straight up acknowledged by voting along with the guilty on him.

Because it's midnight and I can't do maths at midnight....One of them is scumz...With Sircakez...

[MathBlade]

in case it isn't obvious, no one else vote yet, either. Cakez will self-hammer here if he arrives after being placed at L-1.

this should be common sense, but I'm saying it anyway.

Probably pretty likely.

Would still like some time to figure out which of Varsoon/Cephrir is scum. I know everyone thinks it is me but I would like to have some discussion about the two NKs and why the one guy who probably had a system to make analyzing votes super easy was taken out. Speed rushing this day and then when I flip town tonight will be bad because of the lost opportunities to poke Varsoon/Cephrir.

Now let's assume for a moment I am not scum. Who would you have as scum with SorCakez?

[MathBlade]

i think it's kind of funny that cakez being scum hasn't even caused you to miss a beat on this stupid theory

Why is it stupid?

I know I am town.
I have to figure out who the last scum is and no one is talking.
Varsoon put SirCakez at L-1 so fast I got whiplash.
And you only call my attempts to find scum stupid.

And you don't answer the question asked: Assume I am town. Who is scum?

[MathBlade]

i think it's kind of funny that cakez being scum hasn't even caused you to miss a beat on this stupid theory

Why is it stupid?

Well I don't think Varsoon is scum and I don't think I'm scum and you've been tunnelling on both of us since practically your first post and hey look you were wrong surprise!!!! i find it irritating that you can't reassess

I know I am town.
I have to figure out who the last scum is and no one is talking.

OK great we have a flipped scum you have plenty of new information

Varsoon put SirCakez at L-1 so fast I got whiplash.

So?

And you only call my attempts to find scum stupid.

I don't know if I'd call declaring people to be scum and shouting that we're scum over and over "attempts to find scum." I would call it "attempts to convince others of something you've already decided."

And you don't answer the question asked: Assume I am town. Who is scum?

When did you ask me this before right now? If you've read enough of my posts to be soooo sure I'm scum then you really should know my answer is Akame.

I find it annoying that you won't actually discuss my points. But hey scum is probably pretty chill that they think I am the last scum and no one is doing anything except Beeboy and pieguyn.

That is called setting up the Quickhammer. Varsoon is a better player and as pieguyn said (paraphrase) it is common sense not to put someone at L-1 there. I would bet dimes to donuts that SirCakez wasn't online so Varsoon felt safe doing that.

I explain who I think is scum and pressure them with my reasons. Which you are not engaging.

I am reading your posts. I want you to expand. Collaborate. Talk.

Everyone should be talking.

Mod: please prod SirCakez

Since SirCakez is required to post maybe we can figure out who the last scum is from that.

[MathBlade]

Because I am pretty sure it is Varsoon but I also want to give time and voice to whatever Beeboy wants to know because it may help him.

[MathBlade]

Here is the jist Cephrir. I am the fucking town vig. I tried to shoot Varsoon last night and somehow New Earth died. There is nothing in there that suggests redirection. I am trying to get people to talk dammit. But no one fucking is. So I am stuck trying to figure out this game on my own because no one is talking.

I agreed when I said shooting new earth was stupid because he wasn't supposed to die. I asked specifically about the kills and said new earth was stupid to try to get discussions going. I can tell you though if SirCakez is scum it is safe to act and I will keep doing so barring any hiccups.

The wondering how I am alive was trying to get some discussion towards two kills.

Now I am stuck desperately alone. With me being the vig we in essence have two lynches. So yeah you may think I am being ridiculous for wanting a goddamn conversation but I just want to fucking play.

[MathBlade]

New earth kill*

[MathBlade]

The only thing I am asking for dammit is goddamn discussion so I don't fucking go in blind. Hell if you think I am scum still even after my claim post a goddamn case. Something. Anything please. I need words.

[MathBlade]

?? I don't steal girl's kisses. I am a vig.

Please do not call me Blade-Kun. I am bigender.

[MathBlade]

No not giving the rest of my role. Especially because unless someone else claims vig and CC's me I am townfirm.

Don't want to say if I am multiple shot or not because it leaves open the possibility of me being NK'd or RB'd and lets others do actions. If I am multiple shot then we can use any additional shots like a second lynch if they exist. There is also a redirector of some kind in the game so I want to be as open as possible but I don't want people being fucking stupid and I want people to play.

I have to go I have Shadowrun all day. Hope to be back late tonight.

[MathBlade]

Think about this realistically:
Do you agree with Mathblade's reads?
If no, then why not? Mathblade has claimed a killing role with the intent to kill townread players.
If yes, then yeah, fine, having a vig around is fine.

But I'll tell you this much,
had I not acted, we'd have three dead town on our hands right now instead of just two.
Essentially, because I had better judgment than Mathblade, we have more town in the game right now.

1) IMHO that is not accurate because for your scenario to be plausible as presented one of the following must be true:
a) Scum have two kills
b) Town has another vig who hasn't said anything and attempted a kill last night. And that kill would have had to have not been targeted at me whom everyone has scumread.

So no. The answer is I was redirected and whatever you did or can do or whatever did not save a townie life.

Varsoon everyone scumread me and SirCakez together and that I know is wrong. Furthermore a vig kill is not something used like another lynch usually. It is used for shooting someone who you absolutely believe is scum but can't convince others of.

For the record I agree to a leash until everyone sees I am a townfirm but I don't know what good it will do since I was likely redirected anyway.

[MathBlade]

The leash includes telling you not to kill anyone if we so decide

Sure It is just til I am townfirm anyway. When I am townfirm a leash isn't required.

[MathBlade]

I'm aware. I voted for confirmed scum earlier and people jumped down my throat for it.
I just feel like actually playing the game and voicing my thoughts while we wait for confirmed scum to flake on us through the whole day phase.

No. You are just being blatantly bad. Varsoon confirmed they read me as town. Then voted for me. If Varsoon was town (and assuming SirCakez is scum) they'd put in an effort towards finding the last scum.

@Natirasha -- Again...Why? Unless someone else claims a killing action I am fucking town firm.

Are ya'll really so desperate for me to be scum that you want to fucking kill me?

If no one CCs me and claims a kill then I am town firm and therefore shooting me is stupid.
The better thing to do is to interact and actually say your damn reads.

[MathBlade]

I would like to be a part of those actions unless someone CCs.

@Genji -- Pllease address Beeboy.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore Natirasha -- Anyone CCing me now leads to a one v one tomorrow. It is literally anti town of you to not CC me here if you are a town vig and shot. Because from your point of view I have to be scum.

[MathBlade]

Oooh, I am...Clara-ring, help mee!!

Blade-san, if it is Nene's will, I will kill you tonight.

Uuuh, I wasn't going to say anything like that, Clara-ring...you can be scary sometimes...but, uh, I want to know more about you Blade-san!

Again what would you like to know?

[MathBlade]

Furthermore Natirasha -- Anyone CCing me now leads to a one v one tomorrow. It is literally anti town of you to not CC me here if you are a town vig and shot. Because from your point of view I have to be scum.

Why is this question phrased in the way that you expect a CC?

Because everyone is scumreading me right now and threatening to be malicious to me even though I would be a townfirm. I honestly expect it because people are so entrenched in their me scum read. Pessimism. :/

[MathBlade]

I hate it. My answer is simple yet Varsoon refuses to acknowledge

1) I am town vig.
2) No one else has claimed killer which would lead to a CC which would in essence break the game.
3) So you're saying that I somehow have two kills is your argument. Keep in mind SirCakez was seen by Natirasha and Genji already said/theorized that scum can't action and night kill.

So for the love of god explain if it is a me and SirCakez team how I shot two people. Especially with Genji's theory.

[MathBlade]

What you are suggesting I know is impossible and quite frankly ridiculous. You are so determined because I scum read you therefore I am scum.

Newsflash Occam's razor. Heard of it. You are literally inventing worlds to have this make sense.

[MathBlade]

1) Because there was a guilty and I wanted to see how SirCakez responded. I am not "baiting out role claims" I am asking someone to CC me because then when I flip town it is game over if SirCakez is scum.
2) See point one. Wanted to see if valid guilty and didn't want to detract from that to townfirm myself.
3) Feedback.

[MathBlade]

4)Feedback

[MathBlade]

Got D&D won't be back until late tonight.
So glad I don't have to read more bullshit from Varsoon until tomorrow. Jesus.

[MathBlade]

I have two abilities both of which based in Power Rangers lore. I am the Pink Power Ranger.

The first is the vig kill of which I am not sure if I can say the name else it counts as quoting a PM I think. I end up being hated if I use it more than twice. Using it a third time causes me to die. I also have a listening modifier attached to it in my power ranger suit so I know who I killed.

The latter is I summon a big mech and this mech acts as a big distraction soaking up all non magic in the game. It comes at a cost of vanillizing myself.

[MathBlade]

In the game that night*

[MathBlade]

For once I agree.

[MathBlade]

Uhh can someone explain to me what's going on

-Luna

I claimed the kill on TNE. It was supposed to hit Varsoon and I am a vig. If no one CCs me I am townfirm.

[MathBlade]

We also have a flipped vig.

~Bee

@bee they said no.

Yes we do. That is why I find it utterly ludicrous there would be a third. SirCakez caught scum CC'd me *sigh*

[MathBlade]

Genji I want you to explicitly say whether or not you preformed a night action in your next post please.

~Bee

No

@beeboy

[MathBlade]

1) Did you not notice the distinct lesser amount of powers than everyone else?
2) Don't you think if I wanted to lie I would do a better job?

[MathBlade]

That isn't what I am claiming at all.

2nd time I am hated
Third time I die.

Both are in the Overusage section.

Car issues haven't read much yet will be home late tonight but may not be able to look til tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

why are we lynching mathblade

Because SirCakez is conf scum and at EoD today I am conf town

[MathBlade]

Major transmission issues just got my baby (car) back. Won't be on til late tonight

[MathBlade]

I like don't get this at all. I know scum are pushing this but I guess I will be conf town by my flip.

[MathBlade]

I am aware but there has to be scum pushing me. I know it :/

[MathBlade]

what if i told you

everyone is scumreading you because of how scummy you are

Except I AM NOT. People just keep altering the mindset.

People read KuroiXHF as scum and no matter how I fucking prove I am town people have a stick up their damn asses about me being scum.

I am acting tonight. Maybe I can kill scum tonight.

[MathBlade]

okay yep we're all just stupid and scumreading you because it's fun you are perfect in every way

I never said you were stupid. I just got dealt a shitty hand and I'm trying to get town to wake up. There is scum. They are manipulating this.

[MathBlade]

Prod dodge preemptive ly. Work today may suck so sneaking this in.

[MathBlade]

Except they don't say WHAT about it.

And I absolutely can because I have tried everything I can from stripping naked to explaining conf town but scum continue to push the idea without logical reasoning and it pisses me off.

I gotta drive. This game pisses me off.

[MathBlade]

Soooo how about them Saints?

VOTE: Varsoon

[MathBlade]

Soooo how about them Saints?

VOTE: Varsoon

Explanation?

I tried to kill them and they didn't die.

[MathBlade]

Soooo how about them Saints?

VOTE: Varsoon

They had some decent plays, but I am a bit bummed out that they lost.
I'm a southern Louisiana native and currently live in New Orleans area, so I feel it sometimes.

Anyway,
VOTE: Mathblade

I'm good with this.
Also, I acted last night and I am now a miller.

You try to lynch the conftown vig and now this...ugh.

This is scum. They aren't a Miller they just are scum.

The 3.5 says scum acted so anyone who didn't act is conf town.

[MathBlade]

Is there something that really incriminates math ? (Hasn't really read the game hehe ^_^;)

literally everything.

Only if everyone has a pole up their butt about Kuroi being scum and refusing to rea analyze.

[MathBlade]

if math is town, they deliberately tried to target someone who had outright claimed immune-to-kills in the game thread.

Because I thought they were lying. Still think they are scum. How many kills were you immune to now Varsoon? Two? Someone explain how that is town.

[MathBlade]

And yeah it is completely bad the Saints lost I miss the Brees Graham times. Those were fun.

[MathBlade]

I.am inclined to side with math here you guys. Mainly because I am also BP and I think 2 BPs in a mini is a bit too much (since I can also protect a second(theoreticaly 3rd person with my other power, at least I assume so from the way it is worded)

Agreed. << Common Sense


However noooo lets keep tunnelling math because we don't want to think about that even though if math is scum then that problem handles it self. << Most players.

[MathBlade]

obviously, nene is acting every night until it stops being alive

and if someone claims a protective role ever and she dies tonight you are getting lynched immediately

did you not read this shiro orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

.,,,,

VOTE: Shiro

[MathBlade]

I need a vote count, but I am heavily leaning towards a mathblade lynch.
Their claim and action make no sense and by roles so far, its very very luckily they are scum.

Fine lynch me today but at least consider the other worlds is all I ask otherwise tomorrow you will be in a world of hurt if y'all town read each other.

I don't have much left. I am just begging and pleading for y'all not to be dumb here.

Shiro I didn't end it. Of course you or Varsoon killed Clara so you would know this.

[MathBlade]

Yesterday lynch waa on.scum what are you talking about?

I believe you are not realising I haven't read anything other than today and the flips

You accused me of ending the day yesterday. That is false. If anything I am praying for a divine miracle here as you are getting rid of the one thing that would let scum lose all their magic for a night and turns me vanilla. There is no loss to letting me live and figuring out who the last scum is if it is not me.

[MathBlade]

Not you specifically, it was like general, as in the whole towny

Please lynch this tomorrow.

He said the whole town did it. Implying I am town.

/me bangs head against wall

If we win this game after two days of people just screaming I am scum I will be impressed.

[MathBlade]

Uhm by my count I am at L-2 so there is time to fix it?

8 alive means 5 to lynch right?

[MathBlade]

Not you specifically, it was like general, as in the whole towny

Please lynch this tomorrow.

He said the whole town did it. Implying I am town.

/me bangs head against wall

If we win this game after two days of people just screaming I am scum I will be impressed.

Now this is just rubbing salt in the wounds here.

Lynch Shiro tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

I'm somewhat surprised you forgot about your fake claim that easily.

Not a fake claim. Use it more than twice hated.

[MathBlade]

ya you're not town.

Ya you're still derping.

[MathBlade]

That isn't what I am claiming at all.

2nd time I am hated
Third time I die.

Both are in the Overusage section.

Car issues haven't read much yet will be home late tonight but may not be able to look til tomorrow.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you should probably just claim scum if you're scum here, that way we can all just troll until GIF gets back.

Right the overusage section. Meaning after the second time I am hated.

[MathBlade]

This is day three. I haven't used it three times yet!

[MathBlade]

I was talking in general as in previous day you guys ended the day before I could talk. I didn't know how and who abd whatever powers were being used. I didn't wish to risk using mine and fucking up the pure heart thingy like obviously math

......

You need lynching badly.

[MathBlade]

I was talking in general as in previous day you guys ended the day before I could talk. I didn't know how and who abd whatever powers were being used. I didn't wish to risk using mine and fucking up the pure heart thingy like obviously math

......

You need lynching badly.

You said the same in mass effect and you won cause of me :p

And *gasp* I was town that game! And you were scum. Who lied when you were my ally. That game still burns echoes in my memory of fake guilties from Varsoon and OMG this is so much ridiculous.

[MathBlade]

if you're town, no offense but this was the biggest comedy of errors I think I have ever seen in any claim anyone has made ever, to the point where it's actually pretty hilarious.

Trust me. To me it is painfully clear I am townfirm and I am laughing at how ridiculous y'all are being just saying I am scum over and over again.

Hey at least you are laughing!

How about we lynch scum that is not making people laugh?

[MathBlade]

somewhere in my addled mind yes i did somehow think that both made sense and was funny

i probably should not post while having difficulty staying awake

That is probably a good idea. Maybe a good night's rest will help you see I am town.

[MathBlade]

I knew you would say that xD

You know me so well ...and probably know I am town too.

[MathBlade]

is math dead yet

1 - 1 = 0

there we go no more math

That has math in it Cephrir.

[MathBlade]

Then if you only live once vote me. I dare you.

[MathBlade]

You keep saying that it should be very clear that you're town, but
We have four supposed actions right now, Mathblade.
Me, Genji, You, and Natirasha.
Also, your claimed actions don't line up at all.
So I'm really unsure what you're on about being 'townfirmed' and stuff.
'cus there's a lot of evidence otherwise and like
no evidence that you're actually town.

But you or Shiro gotta be scum

I just know I am not.

[MathBlade]

Btw I wish to state that I will use my powers tonight cause I kinda really want to

...Shiro knows there is a tonight. *sigh*

[MathBlade]

I obv mean if there is a tonight like come on. You interpretate all my words like slips, jesus

Only when they are.

[MathBlade]

At least I have pointed out the scum for tomorrow. Or today if people wake up.

[MathBlade]

Then vote me. Everyone else is saying I am scum. I clearly have left my last will. There is nothing left unless you are hoping to change my mind?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Mathblade

lynch Shiro tomorrow people.

[MathBlade]

I am so town. At least you had fun today yes?

[MathBlade]

See you on the flip side. Looking forward to seeing the dead and scum PTs.

[MathBlade]

...There is no if. It will be shown that I am of my alignment.

[MathBlade]

Sorry you guys. SirCakez and I agreed we were fucked so just kinda tried to make it as fun as possible.

Just did a Hail Mary at townfirm that was quite possibly the biggest pile of bullshit. There wasn't enough lore to create an alternate universe so I got fucked hard. Hope y'all had fun at least.

[MathBlade]

im not sure if that was what i would call fun

mostly i am relieved it's over

I tried to make it fun Sorry if I had known town felt like that woulda just resigned.

[MathBlade]

At least something made that happen this game. TBH I suspected you were commuting and was trying to egg you of your shots. Didn't realize it was infinite.

[MathBlade]

I never once actually shot at you. It was reflexive like suggested but I was hoping no one would notice. TNE was a dumb scum kill so I thought people would play along. Since reflexive isn't in common site meta I went for the townfirm.

[MathBlade]

I honestly hate math/kuroi for REFLECTING MY VIG KILL

Sorry