Ttyll Mafia - Game Over!

[Wisdom]

well nevermind even if you die you can send messages

[Albert B. Rampage]

how are you expecting to live after that claim?

Vedith also claims he is a bodyguard, don't forget lol.

[Albert B. Rampage]

They don't know if I can self-watch either

[Mirhawk]

Yeah I was kinda thinking that the message was probably from BTD, but I had some problems with the way it was presented that made me wonder if it was or not.

You see there was flavor part from the game at the beginning of the message about how I found it, but then there was a substantial part of the message itself that was kinda dripping with Ttyll flavor as well which I'm not sure if BTD would have included in the message. The message also alludes to me being watched by some sort of secret society which I'm not sure is just part of that flavor or is a hint at something.

I asked Ir about the origin of the message since it contained enough flavor to make me a little unsure of weather it from another player or a mod communication and he told me the sender was anonymous, whatever that means.

The list of players itself is;

Aeronaut
Wisdom
BulletNLynchproof
Gamma Emerald
Gale Wing Srock
PeregrineV
DiamondSentinel
Vaxkiller

and the exact wording of the suspicion placed on them is that at least one of the players is an enemy of Ttyll.

[Mirhawk]

I received a anonymous message last night with a list of people telling me that at least one of the people on the list was scum. I'm undecided on weather I'll share it at the moment or not, if nobody can think of a reason to keep it secret I'll probably share it.

They didn't say who is was from?

I guess BNL let us talk in our home planets, because our planet PT is locked.

Ugh. First of all let me announce my disappointment that everyone is being lead by scum team around here. I _LOVED_ Wisdom/Vediths setup for myself for another day at the end of the day. Fantastic! Well fucking played Wisdom! Maybe one day we can be scum buddies together, you are quite good.

Can someone answer me a setup question here? Do we have 2 scum teams of 2, or 1 scum team of (?) and someone vigged DS. (Or an SK) I'm terrible at figuring out setups and I would really like to know this information. Also is it possible that the scum have an additional power role (1 shot vig, roleblock, investigative?)

The scum could have kept DS around for day 2/3 lynch bait, so it seems unlikely that they killed him. If someone 1 shot vigged him just come outta the closet unless you have more shots. If you have more shots vig Wisdom/Vedith.

Now back to Wisdom. This needs to die now. This ez white queens lynch is bullshit too.

But Vaxkiller, why have you changed so much?

Why?

WHY?

Because I can see how this game is going to play out and I have been putting alot of work trying to convince you all that Wisdom (and others) need to die a well deserved scum death. If someone has a day vig, please shot this.

Does anyone even have a REASON for wanting White Queens to die? What changed from yesterday to today? What happened to everyone being mad at Gale for hammering? Just blindly following Wisdom, who jumps ship to not appear to scummy when it gets too close.

I'm headed to bed. When I wake up tomorrow I hope someone has done something more productive than anything done so far today.

VOTE: Wisdom

wtf

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #4

drealmerz7 (0) -
Vedith (2) - Albert, Gamma
Aeronaut (0) -
Wisdom (1) - Frank
eagersnake (0) -
texcat (1) - Aeronaut
Gamma Emerald (2) - Gale, Wisdom
Albert B. Rampage (0) -
Gale Wing Srock (1) - Vedith
PeregrineV (0) -
Frankjaeger (0) -
Mirhawk (0) -
Vaxkiller (0) -
White Queens (4) - Mirhawk, Eager, Dreal, Vaxkiller
Not Voting (3) - PeregrineV, Texcat, White Queens

Lynch Threshold

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch!

Deadline

Day 2 will end on December 11, 3:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2016-12-11 15:30:00).

Moderator Notes

V/LAs should be bolded in-thread.

Texcat V/LA November 22-27 for Thanksgiving.

A minimum of 1 post every 4 days is expected.

Peregrine V/LA November 21-28 for Thanksgiving.

A minimum of 1 post every 4 days is expected.

Moderator V/LA December 9.

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dreal : White Queens --> Wisdom --> (Null) --> White Queens
Vedith : Gale
Aeronaut : White Queens --> Texcat
Wisdom : White Queens --> Gamma
Eager : White Queens
Gamma : White Queens --> Gale --> Wisdom --> Frank --> Vedith
Albert : White Queens --> Gale -> White Queens --> Vedith
Gale : Texcat --> Gamma --> Gamma
Frank : Wisdom
Mirhawk : White Queens
Vaxkiller : Wisdom --> White Queens

Spoiler: Past Voting History

Day 1

Dreal : Wisdom --> Diamond --> Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker --> Vedith --> BTD6_Maker --> Vedith --> BTD6_Maker --> Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker
Vedith : Frank --> White Queens --> Texcat --> BTD6_Maker --> BTD6_Maker

BTD6_Maker : Wisdom --> (Null) --> Albert --> Gale --> (Null) --> Vedith

Aeronaut : BTD6_Maker
Wisdom : Diamond --> White Queens --> Diamond --> Albert --> BTD6_Maker --> Eager --> White Queens --> BTD6_Maker
Eager : Diamond --> (Null)
Texcat : BTD6_Maker

Bullet : Diamond --> BTD6_Maker --> Gale --> Eager --> (Null) --> Vedith --> BTD6_Maker --> White Queens --> BTD6_Maker

Gamma : BTD6_Maker --> (Null) --> Wisdom --> Gale
Albert : Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker --> Wisdom --> BTD6_Maker
Gale : Wisdom --> Diamond --> Texcat --> BTD6_Maker --> Vedith --> Diamond --> BTD6_Maker
Frank : Diamond --> BTD6_Maker --> (Null) --> Vedith

Diamond : Wisdom --> Texcat --> Gale --> Wisdom

Mirhawk : BTD6_Maker
Vaxkiller : Wisdom --> Vedith --> Wisdom
White Queens : Wisdom --> Texcat --> Wisdom

Dawn 1

BTD6_Maker : Vedith --> White Queens --> Vedith

Vedith : ThinkBig
Aeronaut : Albert
Copper : Dreal
Eager : Diamond
PeregrineV : Aeronaut --> (Null) --> BTD6_Maker
Vaxkiller : Vedith --> Diamond --> Wisdom
White Queens : Wisdom

[FrankJaeger]

thats really not a scum tactic
she'll be forced to explain what her result is and if she claims cop she'll have to continue provide results/ risk getting counterclaimed etc etc

scum can keep giving accurate results and like I said, I don't see a cop in this setup at all

one of the places I actually excel in mafia is setups

I'm calling bogus on WQ (especially to claim like she did at that point, NO WAY), and that she's scum

I HAVE TO GO

Im not sure if its bogus, but I have reason to not completely trust WQ.
Otherwise i would be fine voting her too.

I cant see both wis WQ as town here.

Choosing wisdom over WQ is the least risky option with what info we already have.
If we lynch:
A. scum WQ = Wisscum or wistown.

B. prWQ= both town

C. Scum wis=both scum

D. Town wis= WQscum or prWQ

WQs "claim" gives her more value here. If we lynch her and shes scum (A) it doesnt help figure out wis.

Im pretty sure B is the least possible choice. And the worst if WQ is telling the truth

C= Least risky scenerio for town, super risky for scum

D=A but a pr is still is still here.

So if unless you think its TvT (doubtful) wis is the obv lynch between the two.

Im not going to base the game on this but they are my thoughts on that situation.
I just dont think they both should get off the hook here.

Pedit. Ok if ABR is calling eager town here, WQ is def scum.

First of all, it was NOT a claim by WQ. She said in our hood, and Drealm later confirmed this, that she thought Wisdom was BNL's mason partner. So it's not a matter of WQ lying, it was just her opinion. But we'll see if WQ ever bothers to explain.

I still think the scum are WQ/Gale/Vax.

It sure looks like a claim to me.

[Mirhawk]

Watch me.

VOTE: Gale

please vig this

God no, I'm already super disappointed that Eager didn't eat it last night.

[Wisdom]

It looks like a claim to you yet you want to lynch me?

pedit: @Frank

[Wisdom]

Watch me.

VOTE: Gale

please vig this

God no, I'm already super disappointed that Eager didn't eat it last night.

yeah nvm that, I was frustrated at abr at that point but I now feel much better about him

[Vedith]

how are you expecting to live after that claim?

Vedith also claims he is a bodyguard, don't forget lol.

I mean, I didn't actually say here.
However, now it's out this is why I believe scum to be in the hood. BG in a hood of 4 town is too strong. Not happening.
Also ABR, I wasn't giving you answers you liked because I was doubting you as town and was trying to push you to attack Wisdom, who I protected.

Texcat, WQ and Dreal can confirm I didn't trust ABR in our hood 2 days before day end.

"Also, I'm starting to doubt ABR as town.
He's gone very shy in the game and stopped responding in the planet hood.

He was originally going on in the hood how BTD is scum, then all of a sudden, he's off the BTD and voting Wisdom. But he doesn't want to lynch Wisdom?!
1442
Even there he is saying BTD is scum. What is he trying to achieve on voting Wisdom, who he knows will not change his vote from being voted..."

So if you're town, you're an idiot.

[Wisdom]

BG in a hood of 4 town is too strong. Not happening.

there you go again

[Mirhawk]

I have thoughts and a WOT half worked on but I ended up sleeping a shitload yesterday and won't get focus for finishing that until tonight

couple of things:

(possibly) Wisdom doesn't want WQ lynched now because he knows she's town and with my statement of "1 of you is scum" with such definitiveness he's decided to back off fearing her flip makes him next?

WQ says wisdom is town - so maybe this is the case here? she knows he is town and doesn't want to push the issue?

GRAAHHHH

WQ's (lack of) meaningful posts annoy the fuck out of me, but, okay, shit going on in life - backburner it is, for now

and back to my #1 scumchoice

UNVOTE: WhiteQueens
VOTE: Wisdom

Couple things, first I don't think that Wisdom feels threatened by you so I don't know if he'd back off Queens becuase you said that. Not unless one or two other people were also supporting that sentiment.

The second thing being that while I guess that Queens could have backed off for that reason, that implies that she's an investigator which there's no way to know. I mean I guess she could be, but then her read on Wisdom day one was both weak and ineffectual so I wouldn't be that surprised by her (them) backing down.

Also side note on investigators. Someone claimed an investigative role day one (you know who you are). I'm not seeing any breadcrumbs of any sort here buddy, I got my eye on you.

[Wisdom]

but then her read on Wisdom day one was both weak and ineffectual so I wouldn't be that surprised by her (them) backing down.

come again?
She was 100% confident I was scum, you don't back down from that just like that

[Vedith]

BG in a hood of 4 town is too strong. Not happening.

there you go again

I'm just explaining my thought process.
I've accepted that the average IQ in the game is double digits.

[Mirhawk]

those votes on me after the inno

I never really read it that way, but I guess maybe? Seems more then one person is seeing it that way. I guess I'll think about it.

[Mirhawk]

but then her read on Wisdom day one was both weak and ineffectual so I wouldn't be that surprised by her (them) backing down.

come again?
She was 100% confident I was scum, you don't back down from that just like that

I have, though generally over a greater period of time. Also I view her scumcase on you as pbad, it's easier to drop a bad case.

If she is softing though I have no problem with going for someone else, I just gotta finish catching up first.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Mirhawk: if that was Vax he explained.

[Mirhawk]

WQ appears to not be happening, much to my frustration, but there's not much I can do about that,

what the fuck
WQ is still the top wagon at this point of time

good

she needs to die

VOTE: White Queens

If the reason to why is what I think it is, then I reassure my broth read... I think

Whoops

Wisdom is town

Holding off on txtcat scum read till tomorrow

Vote consideration will have to come in the morning.

I just needed to get that first message out before anything bad happened

This?

It seemed like an offhand comment about how she felt, but you took it as a claim and were 100% on board? rofl.

Lets sort this out.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: White Queens

What the actual fuck are these?

Unvote

[Mirhawk]

@Mirhawk: if that was Vax he explained.

?

I'm still four pages behind, I'll be with you in a moment.

[Mirhawk]

Eager-Im surprised only wisdom is leaning on him. bussing?

you keep saying everyone is bussing eager yet you never push eager

frank is the third buddy

Spoiler: Elaboration on this

EagerSnake- Nothing to go from. "I'll catch up". Potentially bussing DS.

I think snake could be bussing DS. But just going with his vote doesnt make that read super strong.

Or are you trying to distance yourself from snake?

Eager-Im surprised only wisdom is leaning on him. bussing? I think the lurking is horrible when tied with the basic posts he pops in with.

Frank keeps calling people snake buddies yet has never pushed snake

That's actually a really good catch, I never noticed.

[Mirhawk]

She suspects that you were BNL's mason partner.

how so?

Reading BNL's flip I'm not completely convinced that he was a mason himself.

Which isn't really relevant to what you guys are talking about here, but I still wanted to point it out.

[Wisdom]

if you're saying that he was an encryptor for masons you missed this:

A clarification: Bullet was a Mason AND he was a Factional Encryptor. The word "Mason" does not go together with "Factional Encryptor".

[Mirhawk]

Mind telling me what you think the setup is? Because I'm in the dark. Also I was hoping to learn what the setup was before I posted this, but it needs said now as to avoid lynching with bad info:

Mirahawk, I lied to you in planet chat, I do NOT have an investigative ability. I was hoping to bait the kill if you were scum then send death message with the info. As it stands at the beginning of today, I still can't 100% clear you because I was hoping to get some setup thoughts on the game (could there be a roleblocker?) Because if there was a roleblocker, it would make sense to keep me alive and blocked and try lynching someone else.

That said no matter how many times I read it it still looks bad to me:

If the reason to why is what I think it is, then I reassure my broth read... I think

Whoops

Wisdom is town

Holding off on txtcat scum read till tomorrow

Vote consideration will have to come in the morning.

I just needed to get that first message out before anything bad happened

First of all what is the first post?

The third post upon closer inspection is indeed a claim. "The I needed to get this out in case something bad happened". But why? That early? Just drop it like that? Saying "Wisdom is town" then if she were to flip cop, I think we would get it without that part.

Something's off.

K I see. Not going to lie, I was keeping it to myself because I didn't want to tip you off but I was pretty heavily scumreading you for telling me you were an investigator with no prompting whatsoever.

This would also explain why you were so insistent to telling me that you were going to investigate me over any of the other options.

In fact now that I think about it that makes a lot of sense.

[Mirhawk]

if you're saying that he was an encryptor for masons you missed this:

A clarification: Bullet was a Mason AND he was a Factional Encryptor. The word "Mason" does not go together with "Factional Encryptor".

I did miss that, thanks.