Newbie 1768: Party Mafia - Game over!

[Revan]

Hi guys! I'll start reading these 6 pages now, so hopefully I'll be ready to go in a little while!

[Revan]

I just finished page 2, and I have a few things I would like to mention.

Agent Sparkles seems very eager, and his posts contain content that furthers discussion. Town.

E Lemon reads as a nervous town to me. Her sheeping Jae's RVS vote reads to me as her just shadowing the IC, because she wasn't sure what to do yet. Her 36 also reads town to me. I don't think scum would admit that they have no reads.

Nancy reads town to me as well, because her thought processes are very similar to mine. Especially when she was talking about picking at town & scum reads.

JaeReed said something that pinged me. When she mentions her scum game, she says something like "I've only been scum twice as far as completed games". I feel like this is hinting that she is scum now.

[Revan]

Done with page 3.

@bowdown

you read TriangleShark's vote reason as forced, it must be fake also. Aren't all RVS votes backed with silly, fake reasons? How is TriangleShark's entrance different then the others?

[Revan]

Page 4 is read!

A lot of what JaeReed is posting seems very simple and easily producible, sub-par with what I would expect out of an IC.

Titus is obviously scum. Insincere questioning, and posts seem to be coming from someone that has the motivation to distract town.

VOTE: Titus

[Revan]

Page 5 read, almost done!

I'm townreading bowdown for being petty.

[Revan]

You think that is alignment indicative? From my point of view, both town and scum want to be liked, and can use emoticons to achieve this.

[Revan]

Alright, fair enough.

I'm a bit disappointed that everyone disappeared when I replaced in.

[Revan]

I don't think much of it.

[Revan]

Jae you're scumreading me already? Harsh.

[Revan]

I say we lynch Titus.

Jae why are you scumreading tojam? Putting him at the bottom of your list doesn't mean that it's justified at all.

[Revan]

Titus is being pretty uncooperative, and hard to read.

Why don't you defend yourself?

[Revan]

Bow down why are are you so inclined to vote Lemon, if Titus didn't even present a case that could?

[Revan]

That doesn't make any sense. If you wanted to see what would happen, you would've voted Lemon before Titus asked you to.

[Revan]

Titus what makes Lemons's speech patterns funny? Are these patterns indicative of scum?

[Revan]

VOTE: JaeReed

Let me explain.

In their 143, they claim that they asked their questions in 87 and 88 to scumhunt. However, they don't follow up. I feel as though if they were trying to scumhunt, they would share with the town what they garnered from those responses. This leads me to believe that they're scum just going through the motions, and not genuinely trying to solve the game.

I'm also convinced that their 24 is a slip.

[Revan]

Then why didn't they press them for answer so if they were trying to solve the game? Either way, it's indicative of scum.

[Revan]

Do you think they slipped?

[Revan]

It does actually, well, most if it. You never scumread tojam before, then you opportunistically jump on the wagon.

[Revan]

Revan, I am not seeing what you outlined in 210 as a scumtell for Jae. I really don't like that you didn't even notice that neither GL or EL responded to Jae's questions.

I thought they did, but that must've been a gap in my thinking.

[Revan]

I jumped from asked question -> didn't follow up. My brain assumed that they answered the questions.

[Revan]

I would say that they are short, but sweet and concise. They are

physically

easily producible, but Jae's are different.

A lot of their thinking is pretty simple, a lot of "Why do you scumread/townread x?" If you're scum, you can say this and get town points just for someone else's laziness.

[Revan]

I wasn't talking about Jae's analysis, I was talking about their questions.

My analysis can be simple because a lot of the people in this game are easy to read, except Titus and GuiltyLion.

[Revan]

Can you reiterate? I'm not sure I understand the question.

[Revan]

I never scumread Titus, I voted her to get a reaction because I was having a tough time discerning her alignment. Unfortunately, it didn't work out for two reasons.

a) Jae defended her before she defended herself, which is odd. This is where I am getting the vibe that Jae is protecting Titus.

b) Titus never defended herself.

[Revan]

5 days? I had no clue deadline was this close. We need to start concurring on a lynch.

[Revan]

@GL how would my Titus scumread still be genuine? That makes no sense. I figured the best way to get a reaction is to call them out as "obviously scum" to get them panicked that they got caught so easily.

[Revan]

I guess Titus's no response is a bit of a towntell, then? I would think scum are more focused on self-preservation and would defend themselves.

[Revan]

I feel as though their 143 is a contradicting statement. They say that their questions make people question the game state, and their purpose is for scumhunting. How does this translate? How does someone thinking about the gamestate give Jae knowledge of who's scum and who's town?

[Revan]

I guess Titus's no response is a bit of a towntell, then? I would think scum are more focused on self-preservation and would defend themselves.

Exhibit B of you just going through the motions of scumhunting. Titus has been completely ignoring your pressure for pages and just now you decide that might be a towntell? You called him out as obvscum like 5 pages ago - I feel like if you were actually hunting you'd try to assess the reaction before GL called you out on it.

Exhibit A is you totally missing that Jae didn't even have responses to respond to earlier.

I can't assess a reaction that isn't there. There literally was no reaction. I was planning to assess Titus's reaction; if it was overdefensive, showed signs of distress, or if Titus remained calm and collected.

[Revan]

^ Nevermind I just remembered the EccentricLion slip.

I think Lion is town here. This is more in-depth and subtle analysis than I saw from him in his scumgame.

I also scumread this. I scumread anyone for meta-reading. Meta reads are just an easy way out for scum. "x is y because this isn't their z game"

[Revan]

If you guys need some suggestions, I know many good restaurants for lunch.

[Revan]

Bowdown let's lynch Jae so then you know I'm town when they flip red. It will make the rest of the game a lot easier for you.

[Revan]

Honestly lying to get an idea of alignments is fine, as long as you share what you gained from the test. You should never lie about your role, though.

[Revan]

Not lynching someone if theyre town it will hurt town is terrible logic.

[Revan]

I think EL is too townread to be lynched today.

Jae is the right lynch.

[Revan]

If I was town/scum reading Titus I would have no reason to do a reaction test.

I'll lynch GL if none of you will lynch Jae.

[Revan]

VOTE: EL

I don't want EL in LYLO anyway

[Revan]

It is a self save, though.

[Revan]

Sheeping the experienced players? I don't think you can say that if my top scumread is the IC.

[Revan]

We have 2 days, surely we can lynch GL.

[Revan]

If you need any convincing, just look at GL's vote on me.

Terrible logic.

[Revan]

I'm literally at L-1 right now, it's a self save.

[Revan]

@bowdown I was townreading EL on page 2. Why do you believe that that read is still current? It looks like you're stretching now.

[Revan]

I am also in favor of a GL lynch.

[Revan]

My gut is telling me that GL is stretching. My gut has been pretty accurate lately.

[Revan]

I only have a slight TR on EL, so I don't mind.

[Revan]

I was voting my scumread. You're really grasping for straws here.

[Revan]

I believe EL will flip 60% green 40% red.

I scumread both of you.

[Revan]

I'm voting EL for 3 reasons

1. Don't want her in LYLO because she is easily manipulated
2. My townread on her is minimal
3. I don't want to be lynched today

[Revan]

Can we actually flashwagon GL? I'm up for it, and I think Titus is too.

[Revan]

Nope DL is in a little over a day, so we still have time to lynch GL.

[Revan]

Can you change your plans? Maybe... GL?

[Revan]

My problem with GL is that he voted me for bad reasons, and now its parked. He's content with what he's done, and not motivated to continue scumhunting.

[Revan]

I'm going to fix up a quick readslist right now before I'll be done posting for D1.

[Revan]

Town: Tojam, Bowdown

Townlean: EL, Titus, JaeReed

Scumlean: GL, AgentSparkles

Scum: Nancy

[Revan]

I don't like how nancy is voting for lack of content, rather than analyzing someone's content then trying to discern their alignment. It looks like scum looking for an easy way out. At first, I just thought this was newbtown, but nancy looks like she gets the game pretty well.

[Revan]

VOTE: nancy

Flash wagon!

[Revan]

If there isn't enough support for this in 2 1/4 hours I'll switch back to EL.

Nancy all your "scumhunting" is just lazy or bullshit.

[Revan]

I'm not selectively reading your posts. Show me one place where you analyze someone's content and say they're scum. Go on, do it.

[Revan]

469 isn't clear at all. What's scummy about it?

[Revan]

everyone else still pretty null. I like to let some conversations between other players breathe a bit because I find I generally make better reads from observing interactions rather than driving them. Whenever I replace into games, my reads are usually better than games where I'm posting from the getgo, and outside of RtR I have a bad habit of tunneling on town in D1. Newbie games I like to slow down and pace myself a bit more, partially because the games tend to get more involved in the "theory of mafia" anyway.

[Revan]

@nancy that's from GL, btw.

[Revan]

Darn, sorry Nancy. Your lynch still yields some information, though.

[Revan]

What makes you say sparkles is town?

[Revan]

The townbloc I have right now is {Myself, Bowdown, Tojam}. If we carry this into LYLO we win.

[Revan]

Titus's play so far is definitely strange, but I'm not sure if that's indicative of town or scum.

Titus, can you do a rundown of why you're scumrrading GL & EL?

[Revan]

You've made one post about EL's phrasing. I don't think you realize the reason you can't convince people to join you on EL is because you're not making a case.

[Revan]

Highlight them again, please.

[Revan]

That's a lot of quotes saying that EL is scummy, but you're still giving me no reason to vote EL.

[Revan]

Titus what makes EL's posts fake?

[Revan]

I haven't voted Titus for 2 weeks.

Hm.

[Revan]

Agent Sparkles what is your case?

[Revan]

Sparkles how is my analysis shallow?

[Revan]

Jae's slip wasn't even my case on them. Try again.

[Revan]

What other points? All I see is weak analysis.

[Revan]

Your vote is useless on me until you present a case.

[Revan]

Nothing you've presented against me is alignment indicative.

[Revan]

V/LA until the 29th due to exams

[Revan]

Sobolev comes crashing in claiming that he's solved the game, and no one bats an eye?

This is unacceptable.

Please, Sobolev, enlighten us. I would love to know how you came to these conclusions, so maybe I will reach your level of play some day.

I'm pretty much caught up, this game is pretty dead. I will make a reads list this weekend.

[Revan]

Finished my read through.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

Lynch GL, Titus, Revan in any order -> Town win

GGs everyone. Looking forward to playing with you all in future games.

This doesn't read to you as a claim that they've solved the game?

[Revan]

I'd like you to explain your Sparkles town read, please.

430 can come from a confident town or a scum that can fake confidence just as likely. NAI.

[Revan]

No, her other posts are irrelevant. Why do you ask?

[Revan]

I'm having a really tough time reading Titus. I would only hammer if it was near DL. Town flip, I wild lynch EL D3.

[Revan]

GL why do you think it is more likely that I had a scumread on Titus than not having a read?

[Revan]

VOTE: EL

I think this has a higher chance of being scum than Titus

[Revan]

I agreed with Titus's case.

[Revan]

Or... there is a JK and they jailed the guy carrying out the kill.

[Revan]

Or they jailed the victim.

[Revan]

Oh shit

[Revan]

Scum is in {GL, EL, AS}

[Revan]

AS how are her posts relevant to my claim? You're spewing incoherent shit right now.

[Revan]

I didn't attack her entrance? What are you talking about? I just wanted her to explain her reads.

[Revan]

I'm about to be lynched? What? You're the one that's eating rope today.

Show me where I don't share my reads, I'm pretty sure I did a couple posts back.

[Revan]

Isn't this MYLO? Doesn't lynching me lose the game?

[Revan]

Scum team is GL/EL.

[Revan]

@The people that want to lynch me today, who do you think my partner is?

I only tr SS because of bowdown

[Revan]

VOTE: GL

This is mafia 100%