In post 218, Hawk wrote:Pedit: I agree with Toto here. How about you BBT??
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In post 277, Sesq wrote:Good point here, actually. Wasn't sure you had it in ya.just because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART - KainTepes!!!-
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In post 196, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Soft-claims mean jack-shit.
I'd lynch a soft-claim in a heartbeat.just because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART - KainTepes!!!-
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What changed your mind? The way you came out with that exclamation looked like you were seeing the comment for the first time, which I didn't think you could have been. It felt false.In post 264, Toto wrote:
I thought it was a joke the first time.In post 172, Music Box wrote:Why the delayed response to that?
I don't get it.In post 285, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:See I would buy that if it wasn't for your word choice.
I don't want to lynch nebula toDay.
VOTE: Sesq-
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In post 336, Elena Fisher wrote:this isn't actually half badjust because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART - KainTepes!!!-
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Why are you voting Sesq if you felt my push on him was fake?In post 378, Music Box wrote:
What changed your mind? The way you came out with that exclamation looked like you were seeing the comment for the first time, which I didn't think you could have been. It felt false.In post 264, Toto wrote:
I thought it was a joke the first time.In post 172, Music Box wrote:Why the delayed response to that?
I don't get it.In post 285, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:See I would buy that if it wasn't for your word choice.
I don't want to lynch nebula toDay.
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Do you have any concern that you and Hawk have almost all of the same opinions?
The counter-wagon is not a great source.In post 376, Toto wrote:In post 277, Sesq wrote:Good point here, actually. Wasn't sure you had it in ya.
And BBT is voting...the counter wagon.In post 377, Toto wrote:In post 196, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Soft-claims mean jack-shit.
I'd lynch a soft-claim in a heartbeat.
And Elena is focusing on...BBT and Lowell.
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Yes. But you can never sure about these things.In post 383, Hiraki wrote:Do you have any concern that you and Hawk have almost all of the same opinions?just because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART - KainTepes!!!-
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Either he town reads me too, or he is scum pocketing me. I can't be certain of which until he flips. My read on him was town, but I think Sesq or Nebula need to die today. Nebula flipping green would make me reconsider hawk.just because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART - KainTepes!!!-
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Why not? There's more than one scum.In post 382, Toto wrote:So why remark on my 'fake' push on him?-
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If that doesn't clear me from being his hypothetical scumpartner IDK what will.In post 169, Toto wrote:It's kind of a perspective slip. If you are scum reading nebula why do you not expect town to be jumping on the wagon instead?just because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART - KainTepes!!!-
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That would be too obvious for me to do as scum!me. If Sesq flips red and you guys want to lynch me I'm ok with that, as long as you also lynch Nebbie when I flip green. I think THAT could be SvS.
You can lynch me today too if you want if you promise to lynch Neb tomorrow when I flip green.just because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART - KainTepes!!!-
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The word obliging. It completely changed the tone, voice, attitude, and imagery of your statement. It also made me think you thought Hawk was asking for a wagon.In post 378, Music Box wrote:
What changed your mind? The way you came out with that exclamation looked like you were seeing the comment for the first time, which I didn't think you could have been. It felt false.In post 264, Toto wrote:
I thought it was a joke the first time.In post 172, Music Box wrote:Why the delayed response to that?
I don't get it.In post 285, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:See I would buy that if it wasn't for your word choice.
I don't want to lynch nebula toDay.
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So your stance is scum never lurker hunt? Since we to my mind have never crossed paths in game (unless you are yet another Alt … I so grow tired of them) I’d like clarity on that issue.In post 366, Hiraki wrote:You are a much better player than to take this bait.
Your point? I’m curious again about what this comment is supposed to convey since it is clear as mud.In post 366, Hiraki wrote:That's convenient.
Please explain how it isn’t scummy given exactly what I said – no-one knowing the slot is a hidden alt matters on lick to the effect using an alt is meant to achieve. Yet instead he chose to specifically go out of his way to make it appear that he was not an Alt. That’s potentially seeking to specifically look to gain the “Newb Halo” when it isn’t warranted which is scummy play.In post 366, Hiraki wrote:I can understand the point you're coming from but I don't think it's necessarily scummy. Just self-motivated. I'm very concerned that you're implying that you don't understand the difference when you're asking Riley if she's an alt in your next post with the same status as Nebula was.
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This is not a Town take on how to read Toto if Nebula was to flip Town PR. Not even close. It’s coming from the standpoint that Toto was absolutely Town making the thread clogged with nose. Not even a hint of a thought that Toto could be scum making sure his partners didn’t miss PR crumbs.In post 360, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I'm saying that if he flips PR, the conversation you had with him about claiming was essentially noise.
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Ok, thanks for the info.In post 334, Toto wrote:P-edit i did not like his forced tone and also the fact he lied about being a alt.
Question for you regarding soft-claiming … have you never seen VT players trying to draw Nightkills in this manner? I mean it is bad play but it happens. Hell – I can link you to a recent game where a VT claimed Mason to attempt to draw a kill when protecting the Mason was mostly pointless. So it happens. I just wanted to be sure you are not putting all your eggs on Nebula-as-scum based on something that can realistically come from a Town player.
That said I don’t think that his reaction to your putting what you think were soft-claims out in the spotlight (basically calling it dumb) is that of a gambiting VT.
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So basically what you are doing is just handwaving as fast as you can. Noted.In post 346, nebula wrote:Meh. I cbd'f to respond to all this nonsense. Magna is prob!scum because he should know better than to argue NAI points and he's twisting things to make them scummy instead of addressing them on face value.
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Grrrrr!!! It's suspicious that yer claiming so early!!!In post 323, Sesq wrote:VT.
And those are arguments!!!! Tell me where ya tried to catch scum!! It's nowhere!!-
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We've definitely crossed paths - I took a hiatus for the end of 2015 and most of 2016. Most of our games are from 2012.In post 393, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Since we to my mind have never crossed paths in game (unless you are yet another Alt … I so grow tired of them) I’d like clarity on that issue.
"I can't read this person for a few days"In post 393, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Your point? I’m curious again about what this comment is supposed to convey since it is clear as mud.
Why can't he just not be trying to sound like a player with a past meta? There are so many reasons that could be rather than what you're implying.In post 393, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Yet instead he chose to specifically go out of his way to make it appear that he was not an Alt. That’s potentially seeking to specifically look to gain the “Newb Halo” when it isn’t warranted which is scummy play.-
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Sometimes I really don't know what was going through my mind then.In post 331, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
I think Riley and BBT both would have easily fit that profile at the time you originally posted that. Both have been posting more effectively since then but at that point I was curious why neither twigged you.In post 259, Sesq wrote:He seemed to be the only person who was really fitting that role at the time. Would be glad to hear who you think also qualifies.
"I couldn't be fucked" is not acceptable here, and your magna points are shallow, empty rhetoric. I would agree that Toto is perhaps tunneling a bit too hard on you, though.In post 346, nebula wrote:Meh. I cbd'f to respond to all this nonsense. Magna is prob!scum because he should know better than to argue NAI points and he's twisting things to make them scummy instead of addressing them on face value.
Toto is probs just bad town. I think he thinks he caught scum and now he's in a death tunnel.
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"Trolling" how? This really feels like a forced wagon with LUV going like "yeah you go".In post 349, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Yeah I thought Magna was trolling at one point but he might actually be serious.In post 346, nebula wrote:Meh. I cbd'f to respond to all this nonsense. Magna is prob!scum because he should know better than to argue NAI points and he's twisting things to make them scummy instead of addressing them on face value.
Toto is probs just bad town. I think he thinks he caught scum and now he's in a death tunnel.
VOTE: Magna
If nebula flips scum LUV is probably going to be my next object of scrutiny.
@Hiraki, your reads of me are actually worse than nebula somehow. First of all, you quote my sarcastic response to Lowell, who had provided reads on people without backing up, and been like "yeah this guy is my scumread unless something changes", which could also possibly be confirmation bias, I wouldn't necessarily place bets. Post 129 has already been debated before, and for Post 144 he was asking for more elaboration only on my townreads, which I wasn't giving him until he actually debated my points. I'll redo a readlist pretty soon here, but other than this you just apply "goodposting" to some pro-neb, anti-me stuff. I feel like in this original post (I'm responding to 366) you accidentally messed up some of the ordering on quotes, because there's a bunch of stuff out of place and that just makes zero sense, notably your response to my 104 and Magna's 107. You're really not posting any strong arguments for your vote on me here. Better play, please.
By process of posting? Not much more to say.In post 394, Riley Cake wrote:
Grrrrr!!! It's suspicious that yer claiming so early!!!In post 323, Sesq wrote:VT.
And those are arguments!!!! Tell me where ya tried to catch scum!! It's nowhere!!
I claimed early because you asked if I'm scum. I suppose a VT claim wasn't necessary to answer your question, but oh well, it's done.-
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What's the point of this wall of text?In post 393, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Question for you regarding soft-claiming … have you never seen VT players trying to draw Nightkills in this manner? I mean it is bad play but it happens. Hell – I can link you to a recent game where a VT claimed Mason to attempt to draw a kill when protecting the Mason was mostly pointless. So it happens. I just wanted to be sure you are not putting all your eggs on Nebula-as-scum based on something that can realistically come from a Town player.
That said I don’t think that his reaction to your putting what you think were soft-claims out in the spotlight (basically calling it dumb) is that of a gambiting VT.just because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART - KainTepes!!!-
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Well, if you read what I wrote...In post 396, Sesq wrote:you accidentally messed up some of the ordering on quotes, because there's a bunch of stuff out of place and that just makes zero sense, notably your response to my 104 and Magna's 107.
So yes, I did go out of order but it's not like you're implying.In post 366, Hiraki wrote:I kind of skipped the LUV posts (on accident) and since MoI is about to start a wall about this, here are my comments:
But that says a lot about what I wrote because your arguments against it is that it's bad, not why - just that it's bad.
Let me take this very slowly:
Correct - I did. Your response to nothing was something - that's a big scumread of mine and considering that my read didn't change, it's proven to be correct.In post 396, Sesq wrote:First of all, you quote my sarcastic response to Lowell
Does this preclude me from giving my own thoughts about it?In post 396, Sesq wrote:Post 129 has already been debated before
I love being a baby too, I guess.In post 396, Sesq wrote:and for Post 144 he was asking for more elaboration only on my townreads, which I wasn't giving him until he actually debated my points.
It's almost like I TR people who make good arguments! What should I do? TR people for making bad posts?In post 396, Sesq wrote:I'll redo a readlist pretty soon here, but other than this you just apply "goodposting" to some pro-neb, anti-me stuff.
This the annoyance. Instead of refuting my arguments, you just say they're bad. I have no intentions of "playing better" if I have to meet your crappy standards.In post 396, Sesq wrote:You're really not posting any strong arguments for your vote on me here. Better play, please.-
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sounds familiar.In post 398, Hiraki wrote:Instead of refuting my arguments, you just say they're bad.just because you get evil player role doesn't mean you are a evil person at HEART - KainTepes!!!
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