DoY I: British Monarchy Mafia (Mini 1896) - Game Over :O

[drealmerz7]

I've never been one for unlocking achievements, but

FIRST

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: no lynch

first vote too! ACHIEVEMENTS I WILL HAVE THEM ALL

[drealmerz7]

[/unvote]no lynch[/unvote]

unvote first achievement unlocked!

hmmm what else?

First formatting mistake as well!
Nicely done

- Ari

[drealmerz7]

OHNO

UNVOTE: no lynch

*phew*

[drealmerz7]

for quite a while here on MS I had no idea why people were doing "ego" posts, I thought it just meant 'muahaha look at me even though I post no content!' , then I realized what it is for and where the term-usage came from

I think if I ever do one I'ma call it a narcissus post and look smart

[drealmerz7]

We are not amused, churlish woodcutter.

Her Majesty Victoria, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland Queen, Defender of the Faith, Empress of India consents to the convening of this session of Parliament, may you govern our realm well.

hope you aren't expecting people to bow!

[drealmerz7]

IF I vote in RVS, it is for 1 of 3 pretty much always - nolynch, myself, or the mod

voting in RVS for other players is scummy, imo, and I hate RVS generally and wish for it to not exist

[drealmerz7]

welcome, SuperJack!!!

postie, I can feel the love, thank you!!!

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: brexit

[drealmerz7]

that makes me obviously ignorant town, right?

[drealmerz7]

I'm not gonna lie dreal I'm legit scumreading you already here

-- Postie

but is that because you're townreading my tone and then compensating for fear of being wrong based on In Memory?

[drealmerz7]

serious

[drealmerz7]

but said jovially

[drealmerz7]

hahahha, love it, superjack!!

and, yes, I'm looking for an answer, did you arrive at your SR on me based on compensating for misreading my tone in a different game?

[drealmerz7]

there is no RVS, woodcutters, get with the program, drealmer is leading the charge

[drealmerz7]

RVS ended at post #5

[drealmerz7]

interesting, what is it based on then? (you're wrong, btw, but hey the way you came to the read so far gets you townpings)

[drealmerz7]

I believe in balance among all things, it's a symbol of balance, there's a lot of intricacies in the specific avatar that I'll refrain from going in to here since it's not game-content, but I'll tell Yu (that's General Yu, for those unfamiliar) I made the avatar when I was like 16 (I forget, I could check the file date though - that's over half my life ago, btw), and have had it ever since

but yes, postie, please elaborate your hard read on me

you think jester is scum?!?! jester is NOT scum in my view

why is 29 terrible? I wanted to know if you were town-reading me by tone (as you did in In Memory) and then switching your read based on your inaccuracy at doing that in that game- seems pretty reasonable to me?

[drealmerz7]

scum-aggression

Wait no that's not quite what I meant. It's more the trollishness I guess idk something just feels a bit fake and wrong in the same way it did there.

-- Postie

you sound very far from certain now, I was under the impression you were getting a pretty solid SR

[drealmerz7]

I don't think we have bicycles yet, so

*hands postie a paddle* - you can go ahead and backpaddle

[drealmerz7]

DAMN, that should have been "oar" and THEN "backpaddle"

language usage fail

[drealmerz7]

please no spam

agree

I realize I have a bunch of posts, but they are all game-content,

however, I will try to keep them consolidated into more singular posts rather than spread thin and filling up pages

I'M JUST SO EXCITED!!!

[drealmerz7]

fuck no, I'm not TRing ANYONE this early in the game, you crazy?!?!?! that was a singular ping, is all (and not a very big one)

do please try and articulate the read on me more (:

[drealmerz7]

if anyone TRs anyone before page 10, I'm going to vote them!

[drealmerz7]

I'm not tying to discredit, I'm trying to understand how you came to the read so assuredly (and assuredly wrong) so readily, that's all

[drealmerz7]

I wasn't trying to dismiss it, that was a guess, I asked you a question with it, you could have simply said "no that'd be stupid" and then given your thoughts, instead we're here, and you're still not explaining the read (believe me, I understand not being able to describe why I have a SR, it's nothing damning), that's all I'm trying to do, is understand

it was perhaps my mistake suggesting an explanation for you instead of just letting you explain, but, that was where my mind went, and so I shared it

[drealmerz7]

you don't think I'm amped to be playing with this PL? SO MUCH SO THAT I TYPE IN CAPS?!?!?!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

drealmer's differences in posting are NAI, believe me, I have lots of experience with him

each game is a different beast and each game calls for a different approach based on setup, role, playerlist, and other things, it's really best to not try and compare style when it comes to me, it'll just get you in trouble

[drealmerz7]

how is it appeasy and simply not trying to get you (and others) to see my position? (since it seems you aren't getting me, I continued to try, should I have just been like 'aww fuck you for SRing me you must be scum OMGUS' ??)

[drealmerz7]

The comparison to the linked game so far seems a horrible one, both in game type and differences in posting. I personally don't plan on signing. I'll post more betterer when I'm home.

Yeah, like I said, it wasn't anything solid; just something that made me want to vote him in early-game. It's his reactions to my scumread of him that are making me want to lynch him now.

-- Postie

so when exactly did the read become solid?

[drealmerz7]

I feel like I've seen this episode a hundred times

how do you think I feel?

how about this, postie: if you're town, you can't read me for poop! if you're scum, I'm not the easy ML you're looking for

[drealmerz7]

look out here it comes...

4 pages while I was asleep 0_0

I'm a miller

if you are going to claim miller, you better claim your flavor and be out with everything for this setup, otherwise I'm just going to push you really hard and it probably won't be pleasant

But scummy? Town does RVS too lol

town can be scummy

I'm on board with a VOTE: Drealmerz

What really pinged me was his last post where he goes 'if x is scum... but if x is town...'
I feel like that wishy-washyness is a very easy way for scum to still be free to create an opinion on T&B in order to appease everyone.

but I could have not said anything. I think being open with thoughts is towny. I don't have to be concluded about what something absolutely is, that doesn't even make sense, really. Sharing varying perspectives that the mind goes through, is all. you seem very quick to hop on board a very early and, imo, VERY weak-reasoned wagon - this continues with infinity @143 and is maybe the 2nd time I've felt infinity coming to my defense - doesn't ping me one way or the other right now, but I'm noting it (thanks, inf!)

you don't think I'm amped to be playing with this PL? SO MUCH SO THAT I TYPE IN CAPS?!?!?!?!?!

Are you? I was hoping you'd roll Town when I inned :/

hmmm I thought you were hoping we'd BOTH roll town when you /inned
I did roll town, did you not?
you seem to think I'm scum? ): don't make me OMGUS SR you!

Vote: Dreal[/b] - I have not been liking his posts.

wow

I'm wowed!

I don't think we have bicycles yet, so

*hands postie a paddle* - you can go ahead and backpaddle

Do you think postie is scum? If so, vote?

I think they could be! I vote when I am comfortable to kill someone. Not even close to that yet.

prism has arrived! wooO!!! I like their thoughts 108+109

(I mean I want to say fuck you to Pine and revote him and keep my vote on him just on a matter of policy if nothing else. But as much of a dirty rotten scumbag he is, he's not actually mafia.)

oh? and you've deduced this from which of his posts that he's made so far? your list in 128 is poopy(scumpoopy), not because of the order, but because it exists/was produced where it was like it was

Scumreads on nancy and Penguin are weaker just from glancing at the opening posts. Rereading nancy it wasn't as bad as I thought but post #100 in particular sticks out to me as a question unlikely to lead anywhere but coming more for the sake of it.

Yeah that's not gonna cut it. How is that question not going to lead anywhere? I don't ask questions just for the sake of it. Even if I'm scum, every single one of my questions is going to be for a reason. So your analysis is lazy and you can try again.

I think it could be more that I already asked for elaboration and they and I already went through a whole spiel and I milked it for what was going to be gotten, so you asking is kind of..."more for the sake of it", exactly

Here is another just as useful list.
Bread.
Milk.
Eggs.
Butter.
Cheese.
Tea.
Biscuits.
Crumpets.
Sausage.

you put yourselves on this list - that is really scummy
wait, how are you not at the top/bottom of your own list? you're such scum for this!!!! DRAW AND QUARTER THEM! or we can just consume them. *MUNCHMUCHMUNCH*

What wording would not leave him open to flip-flopping unless he stated a solid read?

I really can't be arsed to rephrase what I said again. Can you just roll with it please

uhh, what? just roll with it?? biig scumpings for borkbork here

@drealm, was the whole rvs voting thing a joke, 'cause I am pretty sure you have voted in rvs before

no joke, I don't RVS, really, unless it's 1 of those 3

if I'm mistaken please show me!

like nancy's 151

When I genuinely feel like a vote was OMGUS, I say it was OMGUS coming from scum. Genuine OMGUS to me is a scum tell.

uhhhh, what?

I want war dammit!

SCUMCLAIM!

Why did he ask what Dreal was doing in the middle of the list?

because I'm a hot topic that generated some content so it was a kind of "he's in the middle after all of that" and their response was "yep!" - which is smart because I'm a hard read and to suppose a read on me after that would be naive

though I felt like I was kind of LAMISTy there for a bit, but, that's me~

*Almost50 makes an entrance an the crowd goes crazy*
...

I wanted to make a joke here, but I retracted it bc I'm not British and I feared it might sound offensive to the Brits.

Please pretend I made a funny joke though and post laughs and applause.


OK, finished skimming.

P.S. I feel it;s going to be impossible to fake anything and get it past The Wood Cutters. Between them 3 they have seen almost everything I'm capable of, so I'm going to come clean: We're just a mere VT

~A50

we have a winner!!! for a trip to the chopping block!

No one is Un-readable.

MEUAHAHAHA

You'll understand that and what it means one day.

because once you've read something (someone), you can't UN-read it!!!

I want a double cheese burger and a big pack of fries myself, but I'm not getting any.. *Shrug*

P.S. You want reads on page 9, and when I precisely said I skimmed the earlier pages?? For real!!!

omg I'm going to go make a hamburger and fries right now I'm hungry

POSTING NOW, the rest, later!

VOTE: almost50

[drealmerz7]

damnit, the beef has not yet defrosted enough to squishability!

back to the ketchup

[drealmerz7]

Prism what do you think of my townread on you?

I think you shouldn't share townreads so readily

[drealmerz7]

1- I don't have any. I've just come in and I'm taking my time developing my thoughts and reads.

and skimming the thread and not addressing 8 pages of content, at all, really

...it's a a bad idea to lynch a VT claim on D1...

everyone, we can just kill this now and end the Day

[drealmerz7]

... but we are almost certainly dealing with three scum here and

it's doubtful we're looking at a third party/neutral unless it's a Serial Killer.

I take issue with the first, non-underlined part because the certainty is too strong, as for the underlined part, what makes you so doubtful about that, TWC? why no jester in the british court? why no neutral survivor who just wants all the killing to stop? what sense does a serial killer make in this flavor setup, do we have Jack the Ripper walking around among us do you think? please help me see your thoughts that allowed you to come up with this statement

Do you have any interesting takes on anything or was your plan for today was to pick one fight and then feed on scraps for the rest of the game?

this seems unecessarily harsh and a bit pre-mature, the game has been going not even a day, and while you might not have been wowed by prism's first forray into this game, jumping to these thoughts is too much, like you're trying to pick a fight and potentially even sap some of the strength of their reads going forward by this pre-emptive underminining you've done here

and then I compare what I feel like you've done so far to this point vs. what prism has done so far to this point, and I like what they've done a lot more than what you have (though I'm liking your more activity this morning simply because it is more activity and that is necessary to read you - what we were getting yesterday after game-start was weaksauce)

do you think what prism has done is scummy? or just weak?

...drealmer...smart scum play is to wait for him to lynch himself.

can you elaborate what you mean by this? I started to address it and then realized I could be accused of making assumptions and so I'd like you to expand on it first

Almost Chara - I didn't really love Chara's opening but I didn't hate it. I think Almost claiming VT instantly is probably more likely to be a town move (takes away a fakeclaim from scum for basically no reason) although I obviously don't believe that he's doing it because we're "oh so scary". Might be a stronger townread if I had any idea what he was doing at all.

I hate this entire section. You didn't love it, you didn't hate it, wow, can you be more non-commital before then going on to make a case that they're probably town as weakly as you can? just comes off as "I REALLY want to TR this slot but I've got to make it seem like I'm not as gung-ho about that as I want to be" - like you either know they're town and are prepping for their potential ML or you are their scumbuddy and don't want to help lynch them because you know the momentum on that wagon is at a crucial point and no way are you going to even pretend to be on board with that

Pine - I'm fairly confident that mastin and Gin have 100% confident reads on him either way. Because I'm not an absolute crazy person, he's in null for me.

so, you're confident that they're confident but you're not confident in that confidence? got it

Drealmerz ... he doesn't have anything resembling emotional engagement with the game so far, but that too is normal for him (look at me learning from his mistakes!) so I'm inclined to let him do his thing for now.

I don't? what constitutes emotional engagement, to you? wait so it is both normal for me to not and to? and that concerns you but you're going to let me do it for now? stinky - HEY, WOODCUTTER SLOT, ENGAGE ME! or are you just "waiting for me to lynch myself" ?

Dunno. I've only vaguely been following along the past two days since I hate RVS, but planned to catch back up after we hit 10 pages.

there was no RVS, get in the game

@TWC, I asked about the so-solid read on pine, and while I realize it came from different heads, make sure the 3 of you know I need gotten back to on it sooner rather than later

[drealmerz7]

how do you feel about that, pine?

[drealmerz7]

Prism what do you think of my townread on you?

I think you shouldn't share townreads so readily

And YET you ask me to?????? BRILLIANT!!

~A50

I asked you to share your TRs???

[drealmerz7]

SEE THIS THING I DO?! IT'S A GAMBIT! YA!

gambitfail

just no

no

nonono

NO

[drealmerz7]

you do look scummy, TWC

it's seeming possible to me that you don't want to lend credibility to prism's case on T&B because they're your scumbud so you're trying to distract and discredit by drawing the focus to you+prism stuff, when prism has clearly stated why they haven't gotten to you YET

what do you make of prism's points on T&B, TWC? why no comment on what they ARE doing instead of complaining about what they're NOT doing? do you really think prism is the sort of player that says "I'm going to get to you" and then not get to you and think they can get away with it? as scum OR town?

I believe when they say that they have just not divided their focus or had time to address your shit yet (you are not the fish on their hook, it's very clear and reasonable to me, yet you can't accept it, why? is the wagon on you so impending that it must be DEALT WITH NOW?!), you won't give them an inch of breathing room or don't even seem to be trying to assess what they're doing objectively because "ohno they called me scum and won't elaborate at my demand!"

[drealmerz7]

that's not refusal to explain it, it's not explaining it at your demand, big difference
they said they'd get to it, chill, there's other stuff to do in the game in the meantime

if prism is scum, what do you think their mindset is with all of this??? "let me toss out a SR to a trio of strong players and then go pick on some weak-ass towny's case I think I can push a lynch on" ?????

[drealmerz7]

well cry yourself a puddle and then GET OVER IT

[drealmerz7]

I can't ground it right now, and that it takes a lot of time to do that.

so you think this is scum avoiding a "spitfire argument" so they don't get "exposed" rather than town simply not wanting to willynilly toss out some half-assed shit-argument on a SR they have but haven't reflected on and "found the words" to explain? if town, they know that would not be good or useful to do, and so they want to take the time to think it over, nurture it, and get back to it once it's coalesced into something they feel is good to present to the rest of us?

meanwhile they're doing what with T&B? simply using all of that time and energy to avoid you???

I don't know if you have a bad read on prism or are scum-reactive, but I'm definitely leaning scum-reactive

sooo, what do you make of what they say on T&B?

[drealmerz7]

pine, and other players, please

GET IN THE GAME

cause I think the scumteam is:

Tea&Biscuits
TheWoodCutters
AlmostChara

so unless that is right and they want to surrender (just put a @mod bolded "/bow & surrender to almighty townies") , we need more ppl giving views and content

[drealmerz7]

If you have a concern but can't flesh it out, don't bring it up.

nonsense

[drealmerz7]

nope not scum

proper catch up tomorrow if life doesn't kick my ass more (I know wraith is looking forward to it!)

[drealmerz7]

oh just shut up and let it breathe and let some other ppl chime in on it all

or not, I don't know

I'm not really paying attention

[drealmerz7]

that was to everyone

except myself

this guy needs to speak up

[drealmerz7]

*JUMPS UP AND DOWN*

HOOOGAAYOOOGAAFOOOGADOOOGAALOOOOO!!!!

*CARTWHEELS*

*HANDSTANDS*

*FANCY TRIPOD*

*FARTS*

[drealmerz7]

drealmer why has your tone been so forced all game so far?

it hasn't

I'm just trying to keep things light and fun because life is too serious and mafia is for killing scumfucks

[drealmerz7]

*shrug* we're still getting to know each other is all I can figure, I'm a hard read, keep honing that tone-reading though, it's what will serve you in the long run

attune it

[drealmerz7]

I tr drealmerz

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH you're going to get me NKed!!!!

I DON'T WANT TO BE NIGHTKILLED

[drealmerz7]

TWC, Almost Chara, Prism,

Shepard

for town. Wraith scum. Infinity scum if Wraith flips scum. Everyone else I don't have a read on yet.

-- Postie

WHAT ABOUT ME?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!

[drealmerz7]

Like those posts where you were engaging TWC it felt like you were just trying really to find shit in there and make something of it and that's where that tone read come from so tell me what I'm misinterpreting?

hmmm, well I need a more descriptive description of the tone you are perceiving to tell you more accurately where you're wrong with it I guess

I'm just plopping down reads in those posts

[drealmerz7]

kind of aggressive I guess at T&B+TWC in those because I don't think they're addressing a lot of the things I'm presenting that I think they should be

hmmmmm

powerbused meaning? like where they pushed/lead my lynch, or just gave reads that allowed for a future association that cleared them once I became dead?

part 1 = no
part 2 = of course

wait, don't we have to be scumbuds to be bused? we are not scumbuds, RC, don't make me OMGUSCUMREAD you

[drealmerz7]

welcome to the dictatorship boyos because it's time for me to kick ass and eat maple syrup pies and maple syrup pies aren't quite in season yet

not going to happen

put it back in your pants and behave

[drealmerz7]

we are not scumbuds, RC

fuck I thought you were my traitor my bad

you want me to SR you, don't you? you want to fight, don't you?

WELL TOO BAD I'M NOT FALLING FOR IT!!!

[drealmerz7]

are there any DUKES in this house of royalties?

PUT 'EM UP!!!

[drealmerz7]

You seem flat. There's none of that

drealmer pizzazz

and you say you hate something but I feel no hate in your words. Your questions moreover have no real trajectory and you just feel detached from the whole affair. How much description do you want?

that's lovely, thanks, but I still don't know quite what to tell you

I'll try harder?

but I disagree about my ?s not having trajectory, I just don't think they get taken seriously because...I dunno, I'm not much of a threat even if my reads are spot on or my questions getting at scumcore

I can totally understand what youmean by "detached", it's more just kind of a jovial enjoyment of the PL and setup

I tend to get TOO SERIOUS and I'm trying not to because I just want to have fun (and killscum)

life's been hard and mafia is a respite...except for when I get into rage screaming matches which just happens way too often for my liking and I'M NOT GOING TO LET IT HAPPEN for at least 5 consecutive games, it's a goal

OMG QUIT CLAIMING SHIT PPL

[drealmerz7]

By detached I didn't mean silly I meant disinterested.

and I'm saying my assessment now is that I think you're getting disinterested confused with jovial light-hearted funfun because it's not quite what you're used to seeing from me

[drealmerz7]

Okay but I literally can't play the game this way.

-- Postie

ohpls

just focus elsewhere for the timebeing

[drealmerz7]

I assure you all, I'm not disinterested

[drealmerz7]

i haven't read the rest of the game

get to it, boiiiiiiiiii

it's gold

[drealmerz7]

nancy, you're a scumbutt, I just can't prove it!

[drealmerz7]

hard to articulate, you're being very safe, that readslist is stinky, how you SR me out of the gate but dropped it quickly

[drealmerz7]

I gotta go to bed the mind has reached a state of not-good

before it was strong and excitable

now, it's weak and wants a nap

[drealmerz7]

it has nothing to do with solidified reads, I don't know why you think it would be that

it's more the existence of the list, at all (shortly after RC made one too, like, are you scumbuds?!)

ya, 590 is a gem!

[drealmerz7]

I'm way behind now and this is a blatant proddodge

hopefully catch up in the next day or 2

[drealmerz7]

real life has been taking my focus and energy

I'm about 20 pages behind?

will try to get caught up today

[drealmerz7]

I strongly advocate killing all the lurkers who are not me.

it only serves scum to have a lurker lynch on D1

huge pings for wraith

still catching up

[drealmerz7]

I'm still not fully caught up but I don't see any vanity wagons but a bunch of good wagons that I figure will shift organically as the next 3 days come, especially with 2 people not currently voting, don't worry about the wagons and please just work on scumhunting and pushing your preferred lynch/defending any lynches you don't like

[drealmerz7]

by good I mean healthy, not that I agree with all of them

[drealmerz7]

psh of course you do

my reads are stellar and I've got you as likely scum

RL has just been kicking my ass so I haven't been able to dedicate focus to this game like it requires. I thought I'd be able to the past couple days, but, haven't been able to. The extension is much appreciated even though normally I'd be not into that at all.

hopefully some real analysis and content in the next day or 2 if I'm able to get a break from the stress

[drealmerz7]

read them as a single slot

that's totally gin though

[drealmerz7]

he is more inclined to do it as scum though

[drealmerz7]

page 30 and still liking my vote on almost chara more than elsewhere

could go TWC or T&B, but AC is preferred at this point

more tomorrow I'm almost sure of it!

[drealmerz7]

vote: twc

I don't think anyone will follow my scum read on them.

I think they're likely scum but I don't think they're a good D1 lynch associative and content wise (want more from them in case am wrong on T&B and/or AC)

[drealmerz7]

NC is totally on damage control for A50 - it's so scummy to me

[drealmerz7]

fitz wagon has really bad composition and fitz definitely seems trying to sort people, not really even understanding the votes there

definitely sticking to AC and I urge others to join me if they have a scumlean in that direction

[drealmerz7]

I agree, but he's not throwing out naked reads.

glad I could make you giggle though, I imagine it in some hoity-toity tone as you sip your tea

[drealmerz7]

and that's me having fun/being playful, not trying to be a dicky

[drealmerz7]

a dicky!! ahahaha

[drealmerz7]

L-1 needs a claim

[drealmerz7]

need more than that with a claim dude

this is a theme game

flavor, etc., whatever you've got

that claim makes me want to hammerrrr you

[drealmerz7]

sounds to me like TWC is aware fitz is flipping town and is maneuvering in to position for that

[drealmerz7]

my notes say you're voting fitz, did I miss the switch somewhere?

[drealmerz7]

CK is not happenng today wtf, that is useless

[drealmerz7]

well 1 they are not even around to defend themselves, and there are 2 healthy wagons otherwise

I think it is reckless on D1 to swing a different wagon like that, these 2 have a lot more to analyze and more about them that help the game state when we get a flip

[drealmerz7]

I gave my read on fitz yesterday, I see healthy sorting attempts that don't seem nefarious

I can't say he's a TR (I don't hand out TRs like they're freecandy like the rest of most of you do) , but I have almost no scumpings there and don't like the wagon composition at all

believe me, the claim sucks and commuter 9/10 times is a scumrole, but it's not enough to counter the rest of the nullish read on him

[drealmerz7]

You have this little tid bit. Cloud Starts out by saying we have to stop vanity voting and dicking around but when we have two wagons, with one at L-1, he votes on Shaddow which is a clear as day vanity wagon with no potential

yep this is a good point I would like a response from CK about it

my read on CK is non-existent

[drealmerz7]

What happened, drealmer? Decided you were too afraid to dance?

no I have extremely serious RL shit going on and my focus is mostly there

[drealmerz7]

why is AC not happening?

CK isn't a better lynch than fitz because they haven't participated enough to make their wagon a good analyzation, and trying to lynch somenoe who has barely played is reckless

[drealmerz7]

plus we don't need 3 claims on D1, also reckless

[drealmerz7]

and if you want to get technical, we also actually have a mason claim from nancyslot

[drealmerz7]

and if you want to get technical, we also actually have a mason claim from nancyslot

That was a joke. We've only had one claim so far; AC wasn't sincerely claiming VT.

nonsense, any time someone claims you have to consider it as a possibility, even if they retract or do it as a joke

[drealmerz7]

... Why do you keep using reasoning that is so clearly flawed?

different games, different Days, totally different circumstances

we're in D1, and we have healthy wagons, D1 isn't more complex than lynching a healthy wagon with associations and content around it and seeing what you get ot move forward

[drealmerz7]

the comparison to your play in smurfia pings me really hard, like, TOTALLY different situation/circumstance, and you know it

I never said to lock the claims in as 100% true, it's about there being a claim at all, even if you don't believe it

NOT BELIEVING IT is MORE important than believing it when it comes to analyzing, imo

liiiike, unbelieavable claim = very good lynch

we're in D1, and we have healthy wagons, D1 isn't more complex than lynching a healthy wagon with associations and content around it and seeing what you get ot move forward

Lynching scum is always strictly better than lynching town. Whenever people try to pretend that's not the case, shit goes south.

oh please, you did not just go there, this is such a scum post

NO SHIT, but you don't have a scum result on any slot, do you, no you don't

[drealmerz7]

I gotta go

[drealmerz7]

As TWC mentioned...I don't think they (TWC) go to the massive posting effort they have if scum.

certainly not true - this is definitely something nacho would do as scum and I even see mastina+gin going "hey, nacho, can you step up your game a bit and contribute more things because we're starting to get SR by more ppls" and then nacho comes in and does as he has been

[drealmerz7]

I'm telling you if you are going to generalize "nacho doesn't do this as scum", that you're wrong. Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant? if you mean "you don't see nacho doing it in this game", then why would he not do it in this game if he does it in other games?

[drealmerz7]

Dreal, you realize that I killed Nachos scum read on Fitz right?

relevance?

[drealmerz7]

Substitute TWC with player X and my opinion is the same.

I don't see how that makes any sense

[drealmerz7]

wow, what a NK choice, interesting!!!!!!

*waves byebye to the treeo*

will have to analyze their analysis because I was SRing that slot pretty hard

makes me suspect prism a bit because I thought prism would be the NK

[drealmerz7]

btw achievement unlocked:

1st post of D1, AND first post of D2

boooya!

[drealmerz7]

my scumteam right now is

AC, infinity, farside

I think we should lynch the counterwagon of fitz as I think it was absolutely the push to get it away from the most viable before his joined being viable, will have to look closer at who looks most suspect with that.

it also makes sense that after the fitz reveal AC (or rather the A50 head) knew their shit wasn't going to hold up for much longer with mastina's "familiarity" and that is partially why they were the kill

[drealmerz7]

so if we believe you we must believe these things:

1.) mafia also has a roleblocking or redirecting type role
2.) you correctly chose their NK target
3.) they correctly chose you to stop you from BG

why do you think mafia chose to block or redirect you?

[drealmerz7]

why do you think that? elaborate

[drealmerz7]

my brain is not fully on

was thinking it was TWC that was the RBer, not farside

[drealmerz7]

all you had to do was point out my mistake in logic

[drealmerz7]

no, it wasn't

it was a dumbslip

[drealmerz7]

insert picard image here

[drealmerz7]

infinity: my first point, which is obviously wrong because farside could have blocked wraith, my brain was thinking our flip today was a RB in TWC, forgetting momentarily about farside modkill

[drealmerz7]

because if TWC was the RB and were killed their RB would not go through

[drealmerz7]

actually it depends on how NAs are resolved I guess?

[drealmerz7]

seriously, I don't suck that bad as scum

let's see who else pushes me though and they can be scum

[drealmerz7]

Wow dreal you are flailing.

uhh, no? wtf? I explained my mistake and mode of thinking

accept or not, but it is true

[drealmerz7]

I can't help but buddy you, prism, I like how you play and agree with a lot of your views (in each game we've been in together)

I wish I had the patience and diligence that you do these days because we actually have very similar styles when I'm in full form

[drealmerz7]

wraith, if I were scum WTF would I talk about scum having a RB/redirector?

[drealmerz7]

that doesn't say why I'd be outward with such knowledge, wraith - that'd be frikken dumb if I were scum to bring up their existence if it were true

yes I brought up redirection because in my initial ill-logic it would also account for the scenario (not just RB) - but that is totally dropable now, I made a mistake, why are you having so much trouble seeing that?

[drealmerz7]

ummm, why I am probably scum, infinity?

COME AT ME SCUMMERS!

wraith, you have no ability to see it as the mistake I claim? why not?

[drealmerz7]

uhh, no, in no way shape or form am I doing that, wraith - try again

[drealmerz7]

you haven't answered any of my pertinent questions, wraith

infinity, so I might be scum because PoE? that is it? weaksauce! looks like you're just trying to setup some legitimacy for voting me if my wagon gets going without actually having reasons I cuold be scum

PoE??????!!! AT THIS POINT IN THE GAME?!?!?!

can lynch infinity in a heartbeat today, still prefer AC

[drealmerz7]

just went back to check to make sure, and no, now you're just outright lying and avoiding answering my questions

go back and read my posts, answer the questions

infinity, we are not later in the game

[drealmerz7]

wow, that has absolutely nothing to do with it being early game and PoE being nonsense at this point yet you saying it is how I might be scum

VOTE: infinity324

[drealmerz7]

WHO THE FUCK IS TALKING ABOUT SCUMTELLS OTHER THAN YOU!??!?!?

anyway, to answer your question, I don't think I ever catch scum with "scumtells" - it's usually by associations and tone for me, with a combination of how they go about their pushes and forming wagons/where the momentum shifts come on a town wagon

uhhh, why would you think I want you to do that

and I'm voting for you because you are kind of waffling on me addressings of you, less for the PoE BS directly (but again, you haven't actually addressed my point on that, you keep addressing other things)

[drealmerz7]

Can Empking, T&B, and Shepard please get back in here so we can lynch this scum? This is so transparent at this point.

and yet you refuse to address anything I say or say why

utter nonsense, man, like...seriously?!?!?!!

[drealmerz7]

wraith, if you're town, please address my points, otherwise keep doing what you're doing

[drealmerz7]

I'm using PoE because no one is truly scummy to me. And no one is usually scummy to me on d1. It's not just scumtells that I can't find, PoE is literally the main way I scumhunt in most games.

I don't see how I'm waffling or not addressing your point.

BUT YOU SAID YOU USE IT LATER IN GAMES

THIS IS STILL EARLY GAME

HOW ON EARTH ARE YOU POEING, WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU POEING??!?!?!?!?!?!

[drealmerz7]

and if you actually ARE somehow trying to use PoE at this stage in the game and are town:

how about you take us through that process that led you to me, eh?

[drealmerz7]

wraith, if you're town, please address my points, otherwise keep doing what you're doing

I did. You ignored they ever happened.

uhhhm, but you didn't and anyone that reads the thread can see that you didn't, soooooooooo, what the hell is going on!??!!

[drealmerz7]

It's funny that you were fine and dandy lurking through D1 while the focus was on everyone else but you and only now are you spamming frantically once the spotlight is on you.

I'm not spamming frantically? holyshit open your eyes

[drealmerz7]

did someone dose me with drugs or are these 2 guys not making any fucking sense!?

[drealmerz7]

not at all what happened, you can't just try to re-write history of the thread WHEN IT IS RIGHT THERE FOR EVERYONE TO READ THEMSELVES

holyshit, wraith

[drealmerz7]

why the fuck are you simply reposting posts?!?!?!?

THEY ARE ALREADY THERE TO BE READ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[drealmerz7]

I can't tell if wraith is horribad town unable to open his eyes or badscum hoping to convince others of nonsense

[drealmerz7]

wraith, if you are town, take these things step by step, okay?

1.) assume I'm town
2.) can you comprehend my mistake about TWC+farside and the roleblocking?

[drealmerz7]

I've played games where NKs precede the NAs plenty of times

[drealmerz7]

and in theme games you should make no assumptions about NAR

[drealmerz7]

if you want to learn some meta on me, learn that I don't really misplay as scum (:

I'd be fucking wrecking you, EP+Magna style from The Thing

[drealmerz7]

wraith, if you are town, take these things step by step, okay?

1.) assume I'm town
2.) can you comprehend my mistake about TWC+farside and the roleblocking?

[drealmerz7]

wow, you are either desperatescum or horribadtown, wraith, seriously, if horribadtown, please get your head out of your ass

[drealmerz7]

Dreal I kinda want you to respond to 2025 at some point

?????????????????????????????????????? I don't see anything to respond to ??????????????????????????????????????????????

[drealmerz7]

You are so done and once actual obvious town like Empking, T&B, and Shepard get in here you are getting lynched.

still avoiding!

[drealmerz7]

satisfied? no I think it is a load of hogwash

[drealmerz7]

why this is a bunch of hogwash - my comments colored

Ok it's late for me now but we have:

T&B lock town -

lock town huh? what? when did this happen and how?

Chara town because meta and no strong CW -

META?!?!?! NO STRONG CW?!?!? FITZ WAS THE FUCKING CW

Wraith town because no strong CW -

WHAT KIND OF REASONING IS THIS I CAN'T EVEN FOLLOW IT

Farside town because tunnel looks genuine and backing out is a town move -

BACKING OUT IS NOT NECESSARILY A TOWN MOVE!!! CRACKSMOKERS

Shepard town because...they look town -

I'm sold!!! NOT

Shaddow town because meta -

TF?!??!?!!?

Empking maybe town because nacho said so -

WOW, sold again

Dreal maybe town because his thoughts look genuine but I've seen him give very genuine thoughts as an SK. Never seen his scumgame though -

THANKS BUDDY!

Prism likely scum -

whyyyy??????????????

CK likely scum -

whyyyyyyyy???????????

VOTE: CK

[drealmerz7]

IF DREALMERZ THOUGHT TWC WAS THE ROLEBLOCKER FROM THE START WHY DID HE ACCUSE ME OF INSIDER KNOWLEDGE THAT SCUM ROLEBLOCKED ME?!

I didn't though - where are you getting this other than pulling it out of your ass?

[drealmerz7]

but it was stupidity

sorry I'm so fucking stupid

that doesn't make me scum, ya know?

[drealmerz7]

DREALMER STOP PLAYING MAFIA WHEN YOU HAVE SO MUCH STRESS GOING ON IN LIFE, YOU FUCKING MORON!!!

[drealmerz7]

there is only 1 mistake, wraith

right from the beginning, my 1.) point, already explained

why are you unable to grasp it?

[drealmerz7]

I never assumed anything

holy fuck

can you read?

[drealmerz7]

you've been ignoring them this whole time already soooooo, nothing new there!

[drealmerz7]

the only 1 you care about is the 1 with a mistake

everything else doesn't serve your agenda to paint me as scum

it's pretty simple

[drealmerz7]

I've read you infinity

[drealmerz7]

looks more to me like you are TRing ppl you want on your side, don't have a legit history of developing a SR on, and are your scumbuds, and are SRing those you want lynched

sorry I poorly articulate myself with that 'WHYYYY????" re: prism - it seems like a contrived read through and through set to serve/legitimize the rest of your reads

[drealmerz7]

WHY SHOULD HE ASSUME THIS GAME ISN'T NAR?

IS THIS A BASTARD GAME? FUCK NO.

HE "ASSUMED IT WASN'T NAR" PURELY BECAUSE ASSUMING IT WASN'T WOULD DO MORE TO DISCREDIT MY CLAIM

you are the one assuming NAR

I simply said not to assume it

a game being bastard has nothing to do with these points

[drealmerz7]

in my understanding in theme games the NAs resolve however the mod fucking wants them to

if I am wrong in that, simply say so, don't paint me having a scum agenda for being wrong

[drealmerz7]

You don't seem to be trying to sort me

you've been a scumlean most of the game

the points I commented on plus your horrid "PoE" without an explanation of the process plus your positioning in regards to me tipped it over the edge for me

[drealmerz7]

then I clearly missed it and you should just link the specific post in which you did that instead of all this fucking back and forth, holy shit

[drealmerz7]

like, right after I said "explain your process" you should have responded "I did here in this post" and linked it

why is that so fucking hard to do?

[drealmerz7]

I didn't miss it, it's just, as I said, I view it as you maneuvering, essentially

if you don't have a more direct process to reiterate to try and convince me you don't need to go back and quote a bunch of shit, that is useless

[drealmerz7]

why do you keep prompting me to ask you about your reads???

I WOULD FUCKING ASK IF I WANTED, THANKS!!!!

yes, you've been positioning your townreads more and more the whole game

extremely scummy

[drealmerz7]

I don't even see how I'm "imploding", I'm just raging at the nonsense. I know I'm town. I know I made a stupid mistake. That wraith won't even consider the mistake a mistake is maddening.

[drealmerz7]

1963 is atrocious though.

yes, thank my stress-addled sleep-deprived brain

[drealmerz7]

"it's in my ISO!!!"

hahaha

but really, it's not more complex than to me you have been purposefully positioning yourself throughout the game to gain allies/legitimize TRs+SRs rather than game-solving, at all,

you are more concerned with making sure you have been explicit about why you TR players than trying to find scum, like as long as you can keep allies by not having them be suspect of why you TR them and TR your scumbuddies, everything else is open-game for you and you're leaving your options open on where to plop a SR so you can legitimize your vote/the wagon when it comes to it

that clear?

[drealmerz7]

what the hell are you talking about???

that is explicity and specific, what don't you understand???????

[drealmerz7]

pick any single read you've given and that can be applied to it in my view

EVERY SINGLE POSITION ofyours

[drealmerz7]

you did the same thing in mystic, btw, but here it you did it a LITTLE better as to not be as blatant

but I still see the exact same thing:

"hmmm I'm going to come up with a TR for this guy because he probably won't get lynched because a big enough portion of players aren't suspecting them" and then

"hmmm it seems like this slot might be a potential lynch so I'm going to leave it open for me to SR them/give little hints of 'yeah I see suspicion in them' so when I vote them it doesn't look like my SR on them is unfounded"

it's really fucking simple, dude

[drealmerz7]

you pick one and defend why it isn't!

if I had the energy to be more elaborateon a case, I would be, but I don't

not like anyone fucking listens to me anyway, ever, anywhere, they can either come to a SR on you on their own/in their own way and get enough votes to lynch you, or not

[drealmerz7]

I already justified my thought process on all my reads.

AND THEY ALL SEEM LIKE CONTRIVED BULLSHIT

FOR LIKE THE FIFTH FUCKING TIME, HOLY FUCKING SHIT PLEASE LEARN TO READ

[drealmerz7]

*headdesk*

is it the royal inbreeding having an affect on your brain?

[drealmerz7]

I feel like I'm in a fucking argument with a child

"I want candy!!!"

'sorry, no'

"BUT I WANT CANDY!!"

'I said no'

"BUT I WANT CANDY!!!"

'NO!'

"GIVE ME CANDY!"

[drealmerz7]

if I had the energy to be more elaborateon a case, I would be, but I don't

[drealmerz7]

love that you are singling out T&B though considering that is who I think you are scumbuds with (:

[drealmerz7]

I don't just willynilly vote, ever

[drealmerz7]

if you think it is a scum-motivated willynilly vote because I "need to find somewhere to place it"

make a case against me and push me, or get over it

[drealmerz7]

not stubborn

mentally and emotionally exhausted and, no, it takes wayyy more energy for me to elaborate a case than it does to refuse to

and no, I never make promises, ever, they are a fucking stupid concept

[drealmerz7]

it's more damaging to town for me to replace out than to stay in

I thought things were calming down in life 2 weeks ago, and then they didn't

RL sucks, but I'm doing what I can here, sorry it isn't uptosnuff, hopefully one day eventually I'll be back to my true form, in the meantime, sorry

[drealmerz7]

if elaborating a little helps you at all:

RL stress is why I sucked in mystic (actually my reads were great, but my play sucked), RL stress is why I couldn't even barely partcipate in camn's revenge

I realize it's not great, but, again, replacing out is worse, imo

I have a hard time believing you actually think me replacing out at this point would be better, simply based on the fact that I won't go into your contrivances in more detail

[drealmerz7]

I CAN go in to specifics, if I had the focus and energy, but, I think I've done okay? my premise is understandable and applicable, ppl just have to think a little harder than they'd like because I didn't spell it out for them

[drealmerz7]

I'm also hoping that in another week or 2 I'll be slihgtly more normalized (ohfucking please please please)

until then, there's plenty of stuff to play with (even from me, at this point, after that wraith+me tirade)

[drealmerz7]

hey, mod, can you lower-case my 'd'? thanks~

[drealmerz7]

I could definitely do tea and biscuits for lunch

[drealmerz7]

I do not think I'll be voting for wraith

T&B, AC, or infinity

[drealmerz7]

and with that, wraith makes me more unsure of him

egh, we need more actives in this game

[drealmerz7]

so, titus, any chance we can get you to read the game up to this point?

Oh good. Someone who might tolerate me not reading when I sub into a game of 20+ pages.

oh, fucking hell...

it is totally intolerable

you should be banned from replacing in to games, imo

[drealmerz7]

I love you too. Now, why do you feel you are wagoned right now?

why do you think I am? oh wait, you have no clue because you won't

READ THE GAME

you really shouldn't replace in to games if you refuse to read the game, it is preposterous

[drealmerz7]

titus, heads-up

AC claimed VT early game, then retracted it!

AC very likely scum, with infinity and T&B

if infinity is town then maybe commander is scum, but, mehhh, that's waffles right now

[drealmerz7]

I'm too exhausted to get mad I think

and wraith is tunneling me because I made a stupid mistake (that I'd never make as scum, btw) and can't let go or even see that it is possible that I'm so out of it that it's a reasonable mistake, it's really annoying

my guess would be that the scum in my SRs aren't voting me because they feel like they can just ML me any Day and are more concerned with sticking to their agenda, and will come around if other votes start to come around, plus omgus tends to scare off scum I think, but it's all guesswork

[drealmerz7]

That makes half of my flavor crumbs worthless. I had a whole bunch planned.

if only you'd read!

[drealmerz7]

I'm a nerd.

LIES!!!

nerds like to read

/kill titus

[drealmerz7]

ehhh

fitz wagon likely 2 possibly 3 scum

only 1 on it would be silly - btw fitz was the CW to the AC wagon that WAS SO STUBBORN to get any traction and then fitz got rolling and ZOOOOM, fitz lynch

[drealmerz7]

Also this.

GEE LET'S SPEND 20 PAGES REPEATING THE FIRST 80 PAGES SO TITUS DOESN'T HAVE TO FUCKING READ THEM AND WASTE EVERYONE'S TIME AND MAKE MORE SUPERFLUOUS POSTS

no

go fucking read

infinity, no, the fitz wagon was not stalled most of the Day, wtf?

[drealmerz7]

wow, nice misrep there, titus

or are you that delusional about the reality of those games? wait, you actually might be, your head is often so far up your ass you can't see a fucking thing except your own shit

I'm actually not incompetent, but keep on thinking that if it serves your agenda, whateverrrrr

[drealmerz7]

The problem is, I don't think I've ever seen a scum drealmerz ever

what the hell are you talking about?!?!?!?!?

I was scum in In Memory, I was scum in PYPDD

you were in both of those games and I owned you in both of them

p-edit, oh there she goes, getting her story more accurate

I seriously can't wait until this uber-stress in RL is DONE with and I can bring better focus to my games, I'm actually pretty decent when I set my mind to a game

[drealmerz7]

hey look, prism makes the partial scumread case on T&B for me

you're tops, prism, tops! LIKE ROYALTY!!!

[drealmerz7]

...this buddying and over the top tone is ridiculous.

I've been buddying prism the whole game, blatantly, it's nothing I'm ashamed of or think is suspect at all.

I should have added some *bowbowbow*s though

p-edit: yep, prism knows what's up

[drealmerz7]

The thing is, he attempted to pick and knaw at me all game in Memory and he's started to do the same thing here. Do I think there's a chance he's town, but the caring about that theoretical possibility knowing he's driving everyone else insane is just making me not want to care.

and I did the same thing to you in Drunken Christmas Party (where I had scum correct D1+D2, oh wait, you didn't read those Days because you REPLACED IN)
and I did the same thing to you in JaeReed's mini-normal

tell me, how incompetent was I in inspectorscout's procrastination mafia? (where I nailed both scum super-fast and then it was just a tedium of waiting for you all to see the light and fall in line?)

[drealmerz7]

*gnaw

*chews on Wraith's leg*

seriously dude, if you're town, you're probably going to hate playing with me even more when you see that I'm actually town that made such stupid mistakes, but, hopefully in time you'll come to understand I'm generally not that bad *shrug*

my buddying probably has been a bit over the top, but it's not malicious or manipulative - I just was so excited to see prism in the game with this playerlist I couldn't help myself and figured I'd go with it, let my enthusiasm ring through because it is how I feel

when I saw the playerlist forming I actually almost sent prism a PM saying 'you gotta get in on this! it's going to be good!', and then refrained, and then they signed-up! what can I say? I'm happy they're here AND NOTHING ANYONE SAYS IS GOING TO TAKE THAT HAPPINESS AWAYYY

if you can't toneread the genuine-ness in all of that, then you can't toneread me for shit and you should not try

holycrap, shepard, in what fucking world does it make any sense that you're comfortable voting either AC or me? pick one of us as scum and stick with it, otherwise you're just a scumbud to AC getting on the wagon early just in case

infinity, that is all you remember about procrastination? how convenient!

ya, A50 retracted their VT claim when they realized HOW FRIKKEN SCUMMY IT WAS and NC had to come in and do damage-control

DOES NO ONE REMEMBER ALL THE DAMAGE CONTROL NC DID FOR THE A50 HEAD??? titus, what do you think of all that damage control? (you'd have to go read it)

oh titus, you also need to go read the shit that went down with wraith and I, the summarization does not do the real-time unfolding of it justice in the slightest - like it gives you no idea to get a summary of my mistake+the aftermath, you've got to see it to get any sense of it

one of these submissions my post will actually go through!

[drealmerz7]

viewtopic.php?p=9097952#p9097952

start there and read until you can't stand it anymore

[drealmerz7]

the day I slip as scum, if it ever happens

I will be a sad sad sad man

I like to be proud of my scumgame

I actually almost slipped once but I caught it

biggest mistake I ever made as scum was probably telling LUV to lie about his track result on titus in PYPDD, when titus was dead prior to the Night of the track result :O - and then no one caught it and it had to be pointed out by our scumbud vecna during the LUV bus

OMG THE LUVBUS!!! what a term!

titus, just keep reading, yes that post is RIDICULOUSLY AWFUL, because MY BRAIN IS BROKEN - that is the mistake post - IN WHAT WORLD do I make that mistake as scum? ...but keep reading

wow, with that 1 comment shepard moves back to me, maybe they are AC's scumbud afterall, interesting! that would make infinity town...hmmm....ya, we totally need to see the AC flip so the rest of you townies can get your heads on straight (they GOTTA flip scum, if they don't...I'm going to cry)