If you're town, you have to realize how good of a situation we're in right now. Bouncing reads and information off each other in this case can only simply help narrow down the suspect pool enough so that we don't drag this out. Help me understand the town motivation for hiding his responses to you and shos attempts to sort him privately.In post 2592, zakk wrote:no.In post 2571, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Can you summarize what he's recently posted in there?In post 2535, shos wrote:I dont underatand those wanting to lynch keyser. His posts make me feel good. Am I just a sucker for cpntent? Please explain.
Also alban posted in Candor. We should keep him alive for now, I guess.
stop fishing.
shos, say nothing.
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Huh?In post 2598, Creature wrote:Let's say that if he wasn't flipped scum we could may interpret it as "he changed his view"-
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OK - this does explain Ircher's sharp shift of read on you. At first glance it looked to me as if he was jumping off as if his scum-distance attempt had gone awry (your D1 wagon had picked up considerable momentum, then Ircher inexplicably unvoted, announcing you as town).In post 2591, zakk wrote:
actually, yeah.In post 2568, Keyser Söze wrote:RE: Ircher-zakk
Was there a reason why Ircher kept flipping his read on zakk?creature should be able to confirmas he's in abnegation now:
i asked everyone in there to help make my wagon bigger so we could see who hopped on.
i'm a little hazy on the details now but basically, i told them all they should vote for me, or at least express suspicion of me
come back to it now, and it makes the "how did you know there's a bus driver zakk?" comment from ircher look even more like he's not scum with me, because that'd DEFINITELY not be something a scumbuddy would rat another one out for.
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In post 240, Aristophanes wrote:This where's tar fellow is clearly town tho. Why is this a wagon?In post 755, Aristophanes wrote:
Ouch!In post 511, Creature wrote:I would nuke AMITY because it's composed of null and meh players.
We have feelings you know!In post 758, Aristophanes wrote:
Hey Keyser! It's been a while!In post 554, Keyser Söze wrote:Hello, Aristophanes.Your vote is still in RVS. Are you trying to sort players in your faction PT?
You have offered two (town?) reads so far (two defences).
On momo:
And WhemeStar:In post 239, Aristophanes wrote:Because I've never not scumread him, which gives me pause when a wagon on him grown like this!
What are your actual thoughts on the arguments used against them? (Your thoughts on them concern only the speed/size of the wagon on them).In post 240, Aristophanes wrote:This whemestar fellow is clearly town tho. Why is this a wagon?
Momo is a tough read and I legit always scumread them. Momo was more a moment of pause, but the more i read the morning ei think they may be scum.
Where is still likely to be town, and I've liked what they have posted thus far. Of course, a further analysis of both slots is required, but this is what I have atm.
See what I mean, he's a hard read!Spoiler: Longass Keyser Post
I have seen him get frustrated as town iirc. But momo doesn't get disheartened as town, he just makes more noise until people follow him or lynch him.
435 sucks ass, and makes it obvious Alban and Momo aren't scum together. Either could be though, and from what I have read of Alban, as much as they could be, I done think they are. Momo is far more likely to be scum.
for some reason, these posts make me feel likeIn post 1405, Aristophanes wrote:In post 1376, alban wrote:I am bored.
I feel like the former was meant for a scum pt and the latter was a cover-up for the mistake.In post 1377, alban wrote:Oops didn't mean to say that out aloud.
VOTE: Alban
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Can you please illustrate this one further time in bulletproof format.In post 2585, zakk wrote:
okay i totally missed this post. this makes so much more clear now.In post 2264, Ircher wrote:I claim compulsive bus driver.
I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.
there's absolutely NO reason to target screenplay unless you KNEW he'd be a target, and since after RM pushing through the D1 lynch they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by hoping everyone copping / rolecopping RM would get a "scum" or "neapolitan" result from screenplay, it makes perfect sense to try to set up RM as having bussed Aris D1 for massive town cred. This also makes sense as to why they didn't kill him N1 and waited until N2.
ALSO. i think the only reason he claimed this (thereby revealing the probability of a is because he knew if anyone else had targeted him for more info (which he may have thought was likely) that he didn't want to get caught fakeclaiming, because a claim is supposed to save you, not damn you... and also, in every good lie there is a bit of truth, etc. so yeah he probably just inadvertently straight up ADMITTED there's a mole in the faction
so yea in my mind there is basically GUARANTEED a mole inside of Dauntless now.
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It could potentially be the post that solves the game.
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oh you cheeky bastardIn post 344, Srceenplay wrote:
Working on it.In post 343, Creature wrote:Srceenplay is on a scum streak?-
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qft lolIn post 2596, zakk wrote:your yogi bear assIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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in shortIn post 2600, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
If you're town, you have to realize how good of a situation we're in right now. Bouncing reads and information off each other in this case can only simply help narrow down the suspect pool enough so that we don't drag this out. Help me understand the town motivation for hiding his responses to you and shos attempts to sort him privately.In post 2592, zakk wrote:
no.In post 2571, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Can you summarize what he's recently posted in there?In post 2535, shos wrote:I dont underatand those wanting to lynch keyser. His posts make me feel good. Am I just a sucker for cpntent? Please explain.
Also alban posted in Candor. We should keep him alive for now, I guess.
stop fishing.
shos, say nothing.
fishingIn post 836, Lucky2u said:
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What exactly am I fishing for given how many players who have flipped turn out to be a PR?In post 2609, shos wrote:
in shortIn post 2600, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
If you're town, you have to realize how good of a situation we're in right now. Bouncing reads and information off each other in this case can only simply help narrow down the suspect pool enough so that we don't drag this out. Help me understand the town motivation for hiding his responses to you and shos attempts to sort him privately.In post 2592, zakk wrote:
no.In post 2571, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Can you summarize what he's recently posted in there?In post 2535, shos wrote:I dont underatand those wanting to lynch keyser. His posts make me feel good. Am I just a sucker for cpntent? Please explain.
Also alban posted in Candor. We should keep him alive for now, I guess.
stop fishing.
shos, say nothing.
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Yea sure.In post 2604, Keyser Söze wrote:
Can you please illustrate this one further time in bulletproof format.In post 2585, zakk wrote:
okay i totally missed this post. this makes so much more clear now.In post 2264, Ircher wrote:I claim compulsive bus driver.
I targeted RM and Srceen N1 and Creature and Momo N2.
there's absolutely NO reason to target screenplay unless you KNEW he'd be a target, and since after RM pushing through the D1 lynch they thought they could kill two birds with one stone by hoping everyone copping / rolecopping RM would get a "scum" or "neapolitan" result from screenplay, it makes perfect sense to try to set up RM as having bussed Aris D1 for massive town cred. This also makes sense as to why they didn't kill him N1 and waited until N2.
ALSO. i think the only reason he claimed this (thereby revealing the probability of a is because he knew if anyone else had targeted him for more info (which he may have thought was likely) that he didn't want to get caught fakeclaiming, because a claim is supposed to save you, not damn you... and also, in every good lie there is a bit of truth, etc. so yeah he probably just inadvertently straight up ADMITTED there's a mole in the faction
so yea in my mind there is basically GUARANTEED a mole inside of Dauntless now.
@everyone: read this post
It could potentially be the post that solves the game.
[This is my first game with a bus driver in it].So, first; Screenplay was an unlikely target for night actions (imo), whereas Radiant Moonlight should have been a frickin' LIGHTNING ROD for night actions after pushing a super fast scum lynch on Aristophanes (townies should have suspected that it was a bussing play for early town-leader cred, so he should have been investigated, tracked, protected, etc., and also, scum should have probably tried to kill him).Yet, he not only got targeted by Dauntless (care to explain why that was, by the way?), he ALSO allegedly got targeted by the scum bus driver.
There's four possibilities here:
1. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.
This would be EXTREMELY weird; why would they choose to bus drive Screenplay and RM? Makes no sense whatsoever. There was no reason to target Screenplay for anything like this, unless you KNEW he needed to be switched with someone, which would require scum in Dauntless, to tip off Ircher. We can discard this outright, in favor of option 4.
2. There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.
This doesn't really make sense; why would he claim this? To save himself? He was going down anyway, wouldn't have helped. To try to throw shade on RM? We had already seen RM lead a lynch on Aristophanes, why would we believe him (especially after he flipped scum) if he was trying to make RM look bad? We can safely discard this scenario as well.
3. There's NOT scum in Dauntless, and Ircher was LYING about bus driving Screenplay and RM.
This could be the case. It wouldn't be too much a stretch. Scum often lie while trying not to get lynched, or before twilight. But it requires leaps of logic, such as that Ircher made up the fact that they bussed Screenplay (why would he do that? it doesn't serve any purpose, as we went over in option 2), and, of course, this option pales in comparison to the last option...
4. The OCCAM'S RAZOR option: There IS SCUM in Dauntless, and Ircher told the TRUTH about bus driving Screenplay and RM.
I think this is clearly the best option. It's the most obvious, the simplest, and it makes the most sense, especially when you think about the fact that situations change, plans change, and that we are all mafia players who must react to things. So here's how I believe it went down (creative license has been used liberally, lol):
- Whoever was scum in Dauntless found out that Screenplay was gonna be targeted.
- They were like "oh shit!" at first, then after discussing it a bit in the scum thread, they were like "wait wait wait, we all good m8, Ircher's a busdriver" and lol's abounded because they all thought they were gonna confuse the shit out of the town and send improper results about Screenplay to Dauntless.
- Then, Screenplay got lynched anyway, and they were like "SHIT MAN"... but "oh well... couldn't be avoided..." but then on the bright side, at least they still have a "mole" in the Dauntless faction, because (with conventional logic prevailing) why would any scum in the Dauntless faction allow Screenplay to be investigated? ... so, boom, town block in Dauntless, right? (or so we think).
- Shos turns results on Ircher saying he's scum. Ircher gets flash-wagoned. In the heat of the moment, he tries to save himself by doing an honest claim (in case shos wasn't being totally straightforward and it wasn't a COP result, just say, a tracker result or something, I guess) and says exactly what he did, in hopes of getting people to un-wagon a power role.Note:At this point, he doesn't realize he's basically blowing the cover of the Dauntless scum mole.
- Everybody's like "nahhhhh he's lying scum, lynch the bastard" and we write off what he says as scum flailing and lying and trying to confuse things.
- We ignore what he said for long enough that we forget about it... and never realize what it actually means... until now.
- zakk uncharacteristically eats his breakfast... and suddenly has super brain powers and realizes all this shit, and is super confident about it.
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The only problem with your theory is why. Why would scum frame RC and Titus? They weren't widely town read if I'm recalling correctly and there wasn't much of a case on Ari at least from their point of view. It would be much easier for scum to just spin that and say they were bussing for town credit.-
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Maybe I didn't ask this yet, because all I can find is this post, but:In post 1987, zakk wrote:
I don't. Not from ircher anywayIn post 1984, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
You don't find that suspicious at all?In post 1978, Creature wrote:I joined Abnegation because Ircher requested.
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It's not framing RC and Titus. It's scum knowing that THEIR guy is getting investigated, and switching him out for a likely townie. And actually, while writing this, I just realized, you'd KNOW it was a townie if you were scum, so boom. Just destroyed your point completely.In post 2613, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The only problem with your theory is why. Why would scum frame RC and Titus? They weren't widely town read if I'm recalling correctly and there wasn't much of a case on Ari at least from their point of view. It would be much easier for scum to just spin that and say they were bussing for town credit.
And as I said before, Radiant Moonlight should have been a lightning rod for night actions, given the speed lynch on Aristophanes.-
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LMAO keep trying to prove it wrong though because you're literally the only one who looks bad here.
Ramcius looks super town to me, and Keyser was digging more into the theory and asking me to state it more clearly, because he's TRYING to figure out if there's a mole...
But you're the one trying to poke holes in it.
HOWEVER.... due diligence. Poke all the holes you want. If you can discredit the theory... that'd actually be preferable, because I want to be wrong because that'd be awesome to have that town block.-
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It is framing if I'm understanding correctly. I don't understand what you mean by the latter.In post 2616, zakk wrote:
It's not framing RC and Titus. It's scum knowing that THEIR guy is getting investigated, and switching him out for a likely townie. And actually, while writing this, I just realized, you'd KNOW it was a townie if you were scum, so boom. Just destroyed your point completely.In post 2613, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:The only problem with your theory is why. Why would scum frame RC and Titus? They weren't widely town read if I'm recalling correctly and there wasn't much of a case on Ari at least from their point of view. It would be much easier for scum to just spin that and say they were bussing for town credit.
And as I said before, Radiant Moonlight should have been a lightning rod for night actions, given the speed lynch on Aristophanes.
Lightning rod for what kind of actions? Who was town reading them Day 1? Did you town read them during Night 1?-
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So because you missed it, scum missed it too?In post 2617, zakk wrote:Oh... shit.
WAIT. Yeah.
Actually, that's why the bus drive didn't work. And I bet scum missed that. Just like I missed that.
Nope, theory still 100% viable.-
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I'm trying to understand how you're reaching the most unlikeliest conclusion in my opinion.In post 2618, zakk wrote:LMAO keep trying to prove it wrong though because you're literally the only one who looks bad here.
Ramcius looks super town to me, and Keyser was digging more into the theory and asking me to state it more clearly, because he's TRYING to figure out if there's a mole...
But you're the one trying to poke holes in it.
HOWEVER.... due diligence. Poke all the holes you want. If you can discredit the theory... that'd actually be preferable, because I want to be wrong because that'd be awesome to have that town block.
I think the theory is a waste of time since I know I'm town and I town read Kesyer and Ram Ram.-
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And no to be frank I didn't actually ever town read Radiant Moonlight until they flipped town, but at the same time I wasn't about to lynch them any time soon because they were getting scum flips and weren't trying to push people I thought were townies.-
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I think it is considering scum are the informed majority and would be more aware of that sort of thing in general.In post 2621, zakk wrote:It's not a stretch to think that scum missed that. Haha
If I missed it, ANYONE could miss it
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