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Boonskiies · Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:05 pm

In post 2041, CloudKicker wrote:No one is producing content, its just keye and you being an echo chambers on my slot, sheep sheeping and grey is lurking since he voted me

This is wrong. Key is the one who keeps trying to change the wagon, and failing.

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:08 pm

Why is that bad? I knew your slot was scum beforehand, why would I change?

Also, IM NOT THE ONE MISLYNCHING. I brought that up the beginning of this day that town needs to listen to me finally, like I've been saying this whole time.

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:10 pm

It's not half abandoned actually. Aristo is confirmed town, and MOI has been a town read of my day 1, with a few concerning things here and there, but nonetheless, town read. ZZZx and massive have their thoughts well documented. That is crap to say it's half abandoned, just in a stand still.

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:14 pm

Like there isn't a single option in my head that shows that your slot isn't scum. If massive/ZZZx/Cloud scum team would make sense based on what you're saying then, but I feel like they would be voting together in that sense if it was the scum team. Like, if I'm alive day 3 as town, I'm finding scum.

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:16 pm

In post 2052, CloudKicker wrote:
In post 2050, Boonskiies wrote:It's not half abandoned actually. Aristo is confirmed town, and MOI has been a town read of my day 1, with a few concerning things here and there, but nonetheless, town read. ZZZx and massive have their thoughts well documented. That is crap to say it's half abandoned, just in a stand still.
4-5 pages in a week is half abandonned

Nothing is happening, not half abandoned. I agree that Aristo needs to actually get in here, but that's about it. I'm okay with that the content everyone else has provided. I don't see what else they would bring, really.

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:17 pm

In post 2051, CloudKicker wrote:Not reevaluating new infos is scum agenda aka the replacement

This is just a blatant way of trying to get out of a lynch. I'be stated my read on that slot. I don't really need more info to figure out you're scum.

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:22 pm

Actually, I think I just convinced myself that Sheep vs Key is a TvT.

Actually, I could have been wrong about MOI. Maybe TwoFace was right, and that's why you desperately want him here to bail you out so ZZX can have help.

You want to know the common denominator of it all? ScumCloud.

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:24 pm

I guess ScumZZZx is also a denominator in that sense, but it's like a triple fraction, where ZZZx relies on you being flipped first.

@ZZZx - I really think you should bus your buddy. And if I'm flat out wrong on you being scum, then hammer him. I feel I've given a load of reasons why he is scum...

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:32 pm

ZZZx, lynch Elena and if I am wrong, I'll sheep you onto Key tomorrow. I'm not wrong, but I like to give that reassurance.

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:47 pm

Assuming Zito took MOI's spot...?haha.

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:19 pm

Until now. There was no reason to set vote as town. I see scum motivation in it, though. So your partners don't have to communicate. Probably talking in a PT together about it.

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:19 pm

In post 2063, CloudKicker wrote:I never selfed as scum on this site

Reason why this is so vague. You did it here.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:33 am

*cough* Who was right, y'all?!?!?!

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:35 am

Sheep and Key were a 1v1 from yesterday. I actually think it's TvT now.

I'm going to look into massive/ZZZx, with an off chance of Grey.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:35 am

Nah, Grey's town, haha.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 4:51 am

VOTE: Zzzx

I kept getting the feeling yesterDay that he was trying to derail the Elena wagon. This fit into most of my proposed scum teams as well. :/

I think this is the first time I've ever voted Zz on site.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:10 am

I don't think key is scum. I see the case and I also see why scum would be pushing for key.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:54 am

Grey and I have had A LOT of interaction throughout this game.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:04 am

I got it through my mind that if someone bussed, it was him, but then I thought about it, and I don't think there was bussing on the Elena slot. Also, he was really buddy buddy with Elena early game in a way that I feel would be kind of weird for Scum Scum. If Grey was scum, I think I'd be lynched by now. Our interactions yesterday into his vote to Elena doesn't make sense to me from a scum perspective.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:50 am

In post 2095, -Grey- wrote:
In post 2094, Boonskiies wrote:If Grey was scum, I think I'd be lynched by now.
Why do you think that?

You haven't been a threat to me.

Neither was Elena.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:52 am

You've had plenty of pushes on me where instead of letting it go you went and stopped it prior to anything happening.

You want me to scum read you instead? Lol.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:48 am

In post 2099, -Grey- wrote:
In post 2098, Boonskiies wrote:You want me to scum read you instead? Lol.
Of course not, I just didn't/don't understand the basis of your townread.

To be fair, I've been waffling on your slot the entire game.

I mean, what's your basis on town reading me prior from toDay?

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:01 am

In post 2105, Papa Zito wrote:
In post 2100, Papa Zito wrote:I'm only gonna do this once and move on FYI.

@Boon: I have massive as ZZZX's partner. Does this make sense to you?

Yeah, that's my main suspect of ZZZx's partner.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:34 am

Sheep will come around.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:00 pm

Unvote

I don't want the day to end yet. I want to look at things.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 15, 2017 12:57 pm

In post 2118, ZZZX wrote:Papa zito is town. The only person to try to read me (albet wrong as fuck)

Also disappointed in ya boon but whatever. Just lynch me at this point

Edit: beetleJuice?

Why is PZ a town read?

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:13 pm

ZZZx doesn't make sense to be partners with PZ, Grey, or sheep. Scum wouldn't be bussing in that situation, which still leaves massive or key, but ZZZx was pushing for key pretty hard so that logic only makes sense if ZZZx and massive are scum together, which is possible, but I'm not entirely sure.

Sheep was on Elena pretty hard with me yesterDay, so I absolutely don't think he's scum. He would be bussing pretty hard, and that's kind of weird on the partnership he'd have to have with Elena, so Im doubting that.

Massive/bbt is the slot that has the least out there, but mainly because of BBT's inactivity earlier. Massive has been the normal amount of activity from massive, so that could be either way. Definitely need more info here, because this is a pretty easy scum partner to push.

I have a little bit of paranoia on the PZ slot. My town read on MOI was lingering prior to Zito's entrance, and Zito pushed exactly where I was looking to head, which makes sense, but I'm going to need to look into it. He is seeming pretty similar to how I've seen him before, but I've never seen him as scum.

My initial team was one of sheep/key, with ZZZx and Elena.

I'm going to put my town read on grey, and I see exactly why town massive would push for grey. Something that holds me back on the massive thing was saying I'm probably town during the big grey-me thing.

I have an off chance scum team of PZ/Key.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:31 pm

Wwe're not in MYLO.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:41 pm

We have 7 people alive. It's 5-2.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:10 pm

*I finished this post and now I'm questioning life itself...I think I need to make another thing and add Sheep into there. Because I feel like I know less now about everything than I did before.

zzzx - massive - papa zito - keyenpeydee - grey

The 5 slots that have potential scum. I have Sheep as nearly confirmed town right now, over anybody else, so I don't want to look at that right now. I used to think it made sense for him to be scum with Elena, but after yesterDay, I really don't find that to be likely. If there was any bussing on that wagon, then it came from Grey or Key. This is the stressful and most fun part of mafia. I have reasons to town read literally everyone leftover, but I know that's not possible.

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General Play by Play:

PZ's bringing up the 4-2 seems more unlikely as scum than town, but it's really NAI. I'm wondering who he forgot was in the game.

Key was with the two masons on the MOI (PZ) slot when Elena was voting with MOI on momo. Scum is probably on the MOI wagon at that time, and BBT(massive)/key were on that. One of them are most likely scum.

the Lycan wagon was weird. I pushed it because I was in danger of being lynched. Elena went to me instead of momo, and sheep/lycan were also on me. This helps me believe it was only 1 scum on my wagon in Elena, as why would scum care if Lycan get lynched.

Unfortunately, Grey, ZZZX, MOI (PZ), and Key, were all on that wagon, and all the 3-6 slot on the wagon. Oi. I believe the two scum would have to be in that.

Elena's vote was constantly on me; I was a threat to her. massive's vote since entering has been on grey just like Elena was on me. Would they be comfortable with two scum seemingly focusing on only one lynch? I'm not sure, i'll look into it more.

Sheep votes momo, and MOI (PZ) follows. MOI and sheep unvote, Key and Grey go there, followed by Elena. Is this three scum pushing momo? Possibly, as MOI/Sheep go back, followed by confirmed town Titus and then Grey with the hammer. The remaining two scum are most likely on this wagon, which might counteract ZZZX/massive. We would have to believe momo was an all town wagon besides Elena would be town, and with how off and on that wagon was, I find that highly unlikely. Massive, ZZZX, myself, and Aristo (the last mason) were the 4 off that wagon. I'm not thinking that it's massive/zzzx at all. One of them could be, but not both.

I vote Elena, sheep immediately follows, along with Key. A counter wagon on key immediately appears by the votes of Grey and ZZZx. massive is still on grey.

was a no lynch a bad option for scum? Because I don't see a reason for Cloud to lynch himself if 2 scum are off the wagon. I feel that was a sense to frame someone else, so I do think that scum is on the wagon now. At least one. If there was 2 scum in MOI (PZ), ZZZx, massive, then I don't think Cloud had anything to worry about with being lynched. I feel it was to frame something.

With all this said, now I'll post the potential duos leftover...

Solidifying potential pairing notes:

One of key/grey are most likely scum.

ZZZX/Grey/Key/MOI have a good chance to have two scum in them from the Lycan wagon.

massive/key were on the MOI wagon at it's peak with two of the masons and momo. For neither of them to be scum on that, with me already explaining why I think Elena is the only scum on me, pretty sure that one of massive/key is on that. Unfortunately BBT's activity was meh during that point, so not sure how entirely reliable this is.

Key voted Elena, but then was iffy on it. The counter wagon had Grey/ZZZX on it. Grey eventually joined Elena. At the same time, key really had nowhere else to go as he was the counterwagon. I'm unsure if Grey would have switched to Elena had he felt that Key could have been lynched over his partner. (which I believe he could have pulled off as scum. I'm starting to believe that that was a Grey town move. ScumKey had no choice but to bus.

Going to post interactions between the potential scum teams.

I DID NOT DO THIS IN ORDER AND I ADDED THINGS BACK AND FORTH WITHOUT DELETING THINGS. I MAY ACCIDENTALLY REPEAT MYSELF

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ZZZX/Key - Earlier I mentioned that ZZZX forgot to put key in his reads list, which kind of worries me. Then key forgets Aristo, who is confirmed town. Also it could have been a counter to Elena onto another buddy so that they come off looking town, but now ZZZX is going onto key again. ZZZx mentioned key was a lean scum earlier in game anyways, so I don't actually think this is happening. Key also has had zzzx as potential scum for a while. Key's tattletale of the misunderstanding with the ZZZX ban would have made more sense to post in the PT than the game. Also, I don't like this if this is coming from ScumKey.

Verdict: Not at all likely.

ZZZx/Grey - I don't know if scum would have both of them try to help their partner, but because Grey moved onto Elena (albeit with a big thing on me first which didn't pan out), I could see it. ZZZX is now voting Key, and Grey is voting ZZZX. Grey put ZZZx to L-1, so this kind of nullifies the potential of this. ZZZX very much could have been lynched. Grey's beetlejuice comment showed that he wasn't necessarily expecting it and had an eye roll like tone to zzzx appearing as he was being near lynched. ZZZX had been discrediting and not understanding what I was saying mainly during the times I was interacting with Grey, though, but that might actually be true confusion. Also, Grey had some rather not nice things said to ZZZX during the bad times. (bad times = those first 40 pages of this game). Grey threw ZZZX to the wolves with his comments on ZZZX not interacting with Elena, which I counter later, but it wasn't really that much regardless.

Verdict: Not likely.

massive/key - massive called key's post ick. And it would mean there were two scum on the MOI wagon, and only one on the momo in Elena. I guess that's still possible.

Verdict: Unfortunately, the most likely Key pairing...

massive/grey - HA! I actually don't know why I left this up here. Grey vs Boon interaction yesterDay, massive ended with countering Grey. Also, immediate vote onto Grey and hasn't left. Although, I've been scum partners with massive before, and post game he did say that going into the game, he thought he was probably going to bus me for some town cred, but I don't think that's happening here. If it is, well fuck me, right? Grey talks to BBT and comments about how they "agreed" that grey would speak first. Joke post, but if this is the pairing, that means that Grey flat out commented to both of his partners from the get go. massive's push on grey came from Grey's "scum claim". Grey says he claims scum in every game, and yet massive is reasoning that for a lynch? I feel he has other reasons, but I guess it could be fabricated. Grey says he didn't peg massive for being so superficial. massive said he could tell him why he's scum, and grey responds "sure why not. let's hear why you're wrong". massive brings up a thing on page 3 about grey pushing something then completely dropping it to argue with 2F. massive also pushes that grey shouldn't be getting a pass for his playstyle and this isn't towngrey. Grey replies this is just apathetic town grey. Grey points out the lack of interaction between massive and Elena toDay.

Verdict: Not at all. (came back to this after looking up other things...meh, it might be a thing...) I came back to this, and my verdict is it's the one of the more likely pairings annoyingly, but I don't fucking know anything anymore.

PZ(MOI)/Key - MOI and Key had a good amount of interactions. Key was against people calling MOI town, or at least discrediting it a bit. Also, MOI made a few condescending remarks to key. key kept talking about and staying on the side of the MOI vs 2F interactions, and then ended up voting MOI. Key also pointed out one of MOI's contradictions, but couldn't entirely make a case on him, but it looked like he was trying. MOI's RVS vote was on Key. MOI points out an angle he thinks is deeply flawed in Key, regarding myself and does one of those change the word things to make it flip perspectives. MOI seems very condescending towards Key. A lot of noob shaming. MOI called out Key for pushing him while momo wagon was up there. Momo flipping town means key wasn't looking for a counterwagon. MOI tells key that he's looking pretty good for being on the momo wagon "if he flips scum". Before he was sure. I feel MOI tried to end up buddying Key.

Verdict: I really don't think so.

PZ(MOI)/Grey - They cross called each other gullible. Grey talked about someone not even claiming an intent, and MOI called him out for Grey not actually caring. Grey told MOI "for the love of god MOI call bullshit" Not sure what it means based on phrasing, but i think he was saying MOI was full of it. MOI then explained in a lot of detail what he was saying, and then told grey to go back on momo. Subtle way of getting partner to have a reason to move vote? Grey asks a question about why lycan is town, and moi answers "good chance he isn't". This is how a lot of their interactions go. Grey early calls the MOI wagon a vanity wagon, and directs focus elsewhere. He defends MOI and takes the offensive against TF early. BUT GREY VOTED MOI AND PUT HIM TO L-1 BUT SAID HE THOUGHT IT WAS A HAMMER OH FUCK THIS IS A GAME CHANGER. God damn it. god damn it. god damn it. First of all, if you all hadn't noticed by now, I did not do this post in order AT ALL. I even came into this post thinking that I was going to think of PZ/Grey as the scum team, but this changes basically everything. This was the last thing I did too. Fuck. But then...Grey calls MOI (along with myself) doing mindlessly bad things and it makes them town. When Grey was wanting Sheep/ZZZX lynched, sheep was against MOI lynch, so Grey voted MOI because sheep didn't want MOI lynched. Admits that he was fighting MOI wagon, and tried telling Lycan that if he voted Boon that day, he'd vote MOI the next. MOI was getting an "urge" to call aristo scum, and grey turned it down.

Verdict: I don't fucking know. To me this makes the most sense, but things happened that make it seem like it absolutely can't be. Maybe?

Key/Grey - Key posted after the momo lynch that he was really really sure that momo would flip scum. And grey, the hammer person, posted that key was really really wrong. That's weird. Key does constantly post how he doesn't like how Grey was acting a lot. Said it was weird. Key stats on grey's anti-townness a few times too. Grey comments to key real early "You made it". Grey posts to key "you're not one to talk about not having a stereotypical town game" key questions why grey is defending me, and asks if he sees my posting as town. grey says yep. not his first game with me, but then backtracks to null, but still not lynching me day 1. Grey, a little near the end of the Boon Tunnelfuck gets a little upset and asks if someone can tell him why they are town reading key. Then, Grey notes about asking a simple question and brings up that key gets pissy with him. he doesn't say it to key, more of a general statement. Grey votes key after key gives a "sure, I'm scum post" in a very grey like manner. Key brings up that he was scumreading grey for a long time, but "didn't really pay attention to it". Grey votes Key.

Verdict: Not likely at all.

Notes on specifics:

Grey's comments about me not being a threat made me feel like my reads were potentially wrong from the day prior, as Aristo died last night. She was a mason, though. Regardless, Aristo didn't have much analysis and wasn't a threat either, so it seemed like scum was happy with what was going to occur, so Grey could have seemed content, so they killed an inactive player. The beetlejuice comment was iffy for me too, although yet another possibly NAI thing.

Man, ZZZX is genuine as hell. Also, Elena asked about thoughts on her Boon case and asked why ZZZX was town reading me, where zzzx stated and implied a pretty strong town read on me. I feel this was scum trying to get ZZZx open to the lynch. This counters what grey had said about interactions. And with certain things ZZZX has gone through and said, I'd be pretty upset if he ended up being scum. He needlessly town read me, could be pocketing, but it obviously didn't work entirely. Also, why would ZZZX try and town read myself, MOI, and sheep during that time. Scum, even if they know the player, could have a field day with us. We were the three obnoxious ones.

Also, this (momo boon keyen massive ZZZX) was a titus scum read list, so maybe we can conftown everyone here. Lol. Titus can be a real threat late game if she is caught up on the game, and had gone through enough thought processes. If Grey/Zito is the team, then Titus = MVP due to her reverse reads.

massive doesn't have a lot of posts, but the amount of posts he has makes sense for the amount of time he's been in the game along with how much he usually posts in games. He's been on grey since entering the game. He was opposed to lynching CK, which I don't know if a scum partner would try to defend CK there like that, and so strongly. He really didn't like Grey, so him not liking the company there, along with calling Key's post "ick", makes sense. He also said that he could go key, but didn't help out really. I don't know why he's voting Grey actually. But they kind of got into it. Scummassive would be able to fabricate more of a case if he really wanted Grey lynched.

ah man, looking through key's posts, I feel he's town flailing (we all do it sometimes), and scum is taking advantage. That's just gut, though, that playstyle can be copied as scum. I feel like his reads have been pretty consistent. ZZZx/sheep has been lean for him for a while. I liked his "I don't know how I made this post" as I have plenty of those feelings as town. What scum would push Elena and I as both scum? Accidentally, though it makes sense to be fabricated. Vote count, I do feel that Key looks the worst out of anyone. (grey's vote count is more sporadic, but it's also more NAI) He also forgot to put Aristo on the list, who was conf town. Would scum forget the existence of a mason? Titus was still alive at the time, too, so it's not like he was considering the obvious NK already. he did put probably scum as momo and elena, and then went through with lynching Elena...yeah, he's had zzzx as prob scum, and Sheep as null to okay lynching for a while. I think he has had the most easy to follow reads that don't even look fabricated...although Key does defend Elena early game, but it changes in a natural way. he also brings up that the game is hard to follow and did a woe is me on being in this game, and it came across like it really was just too much for him. I don't know if Scum would have felt that way. Chaotic is good for newb scum who doesn't have pressure on them. This gives me town points to Key. The Key/MOI interactions make me feel a little less sure on Key being town, but the things that MOI was condescending about to Key, I understood why Key would be thinking what he was.

MOI rvs'd key. Left pretty early, nonetheless. he also called out Elena for not responding to Lycan's question about Elena's read, and gave a pretty aggressive tone with it, I feel, but Elena responds that she indeed did, where he admits his mistake. He also talks to Elena, who feels MOI has a scum read on her, and states he doesn't. Also, he wrote to Elena again about asking for her thoughts on the wagon on him. MOI and I were linked really early in the game from TwoFace and MOI, yet MOI still was pushing me a little, but not fully. More focused on momo/twof. He points out the flawed thought process of anyone who thinks him and I were a scum team based on the two of us being the dominant wagons Day 1, with Elena having a small thing, but he stated a town read there. Stated a scum on the BBt/massive slot. he states the potential of bbt waiting to finish a mislynch on him or myself. That's a bit odd actually, considering he was laying suspicion a little earlier, but I do remember MOI not actually pushing me, and I did think I was town read by him. We faught 2F, so within that, I could see why his read would change. Actually, he did state that I am "likely town for gamestate", and discredited the fact that he "knew Elena was town", maybe distancing from a close up buddying? Actually MOI was actively stating I was town, and even pushing my fake claim BP thing as inherently town as it would be stupid as scum to do it. I understand why TownMOI would be on momo after looking at the posts between the two. He town read Elena a little too hard, though...ugh. More and more MOI/Elena conversing. Elena made sense of a bad play 2F did, and MOI countered that with "No, it doesn"t make sense. It was bad...yadda yadda" Ah there it is. There's a post where he talks about finally going through with momo lynch with potential partners of Boon and Elena. This post is full of complete rerouting and bussing a partner, but setting up for mislynching both myself and momo, along with keeping the sheep vote open. MOI posts about momo flipping scum, then I'm definitely his next push. After so long of saying it wasn't really a chance at all. PZ comes in, and says he's pretty sure Sheep is town, despite getting into with him. I've seen PZ do this before, though. NAI. This post makes me feel like Zito's trying to help Cloud get an out. In this case, PZ's post about quitting the site if it was a town self vote and quitting would have been fabricated, which I see why scum would make that decision for the potential town cred. I actually do find it weird that PZ voted pretty early. Last time I played with him, he was very reserved with his vote. It looks as if he could be trying to get both Sheep and I on his side to mislynch ZZZX. I'm confused on what I think about Zito's 4-2 comment. I feel like scum would be more aware of if it was mylo/lylo or not, but he had brought up and interacted with everyone in the game, and I don't know who he would have left out.

Ugh, I don't want to read Grey's ISO. Here goes...Grey RVS's Elena. Next post he comments to BBT(massive) in a joke post about how they agreed that he was to talk first. I feel that this is something Grey might do as scum...-.- Elena plays along and joke votes back. We're going to get a lot of buddying from Grey/Elena here...Grey nearly hammers MOI, but plays off he thinks it was a hammer. Grey does a lot of "what if I'm scum..." yadda yadda. Grey antagonizes me and does small jabs to get me worked up, then i vote Elena, he sheeps. He constantly is voting his town reads and flip flopping around. he gets town read after being scum read and goes "you give me that scum read back mister!!!" Comes back to me, then unvotes and state that it's hilarious to get me to react, which we'll find out later he does too...-.- If grey is town, Elena was probably crapping her pants this entire game with paranoia of not knowing if he'd go on her or not. She posted "and i thought grey in the last game was a handful". he goes back and forth between myself and elena a few times, but states that elena votes he was just messing around, and also states he doesn't want to lynch me for going "nuclear". man, what good is that to not push me as scum. Grey calls what MOI and I were doing as mind-bendingly bad town, this is after his null read to me, but I feel like he was lean town. Elena asks him about his reads, and Grey says no clue, even though he was soft defending me for other doing bad, he called Elena's reasonings for voting me seemed sheepable. There's an in. He defends my reasoning for things Elena did as scummy by saying Elena wouldn't do that stuff, yet Elena ended up being scum. Grey says "Elena is my frenemy, I can't go a game without voting her. Doesn't mean I'm going to blindly lynch her, though.

I'm not sacrificing my wincon over a playful grudge.

" If they are both scum together, this still makes sense. Scum do this kind of thing, so don't argue that scum wouldn't. Unfortunately, it's still NAI. He attacks me for voting him. We go into a big tunnelfuck onto me. My lynch was getting steam, and in the midst of it, along with Town Mason ThinkBig, he brings up that he is getting cold feet on my lynch, and is one of the people to derail my wagon. Him and TB buddy up a bit, so he could be trying to pocket the mason, but I don't understand why he would try to get TB off of me when I'm nearing lynch. TB scum read me hard. Also...LOL at Grey saying that he thought Aristo was trying to say they should lynch TB...Elena made a joke scum post about Grey and someone "falling for it". Seems more like Elena buddying Grey again rather than them both being scum...people were looking at lynching Aristo, and grey turned that down when it started to look like it might happen and outted Aristo as the third mason, which some of us seemed to have missed. Grey's play gets called bad scum by sheep, who then Grey says it was proof he hasn't seen his scum play. Then goes "Ask Titus how she fares against me in LYLO when I'm scum". Which, by the way, is really funny to me because Massive and I have a scum game where we won with Titus in LYLO! Nonetheless, I say a similar thing as Grey did when I'm town. Also, so you remember, Titus said this "You're an anti-town village toxicologist always looking to blame your shit on others.", and you brought up you wanted to sig it.

Elena asks grey again about his reads, and grey says he's basically a mason supporter. This doesn't seem like SvS....UGH. I do some poe analysis, grey votes me eventually for me being dumb and not realizing aristo was a mason (yeah...that was my bad...), and grey and i get into it, and grey says it's grade a entertainment. But then, Grey asks me why key is scum...interesting. Grey does fight my elena lynch, but he

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on me at this point, so this actually makes sense...Grey ends up stopping his vote on Elena after massive points out this is town Boon, which Grey agrees. Brings up no problem with a key lynch toDay, so that fits with where he is now. He also brought up maybe not rushing it, but puts key to L-1. I commented on the him not thinking of me as a threat to him somewhere on this post...he also questions my town read on him.

In conclusion...did I fuck up and forget my role pm? Because I somehow convinced myself that you all are town.

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I wrote stuff about these pairings prior to my play by play. I changed my mind in what I wanted to look up, but here's the small work I put into it anyways.

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Boonskiies · Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:20 pm

In post 845, Cooperative Sheep wrote:What if I'm scum just avoiding a really derpy wagon to buy town cred later?

I think this makes 4 people who did something like this this game. -.-

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:26 pm

Alright, so looked into Sheep. Only partner he makes sense with is Massive, and really, I'm happy with TownSheep. If he is scum, then he could have easily gone off of Elena and went to Key yesterDay.

Grey, ZZZX, Sheep, with one of massive/MOI (excluding aristo because she wasn't active), and then Cloud probably would have joined in, that easily could have happened.

Man, dead thread's either going "Boon's gonna figure it out and save town" or "Boon's gonna lose the game for town."

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:28 pm

Also, I checked, and I didn't mess up my role pm, so I am indeed town.

I think the Human hates us and put together a chaotic playerlist, and gave everyone but Elena in this game a Town Role PM just to fuck with us.

(Despite all the fuckery that went on in this game, I feel this became a rather enjoyable and solid late game.)

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:31 pm

For real, though.

I think I'm leaning Papa Zito/Keyenpeydee.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:42 pm

It would also explain why when MOI was near (or even at L-1) Elena moved off of me and went with MOI onto momo, and key went onto MOI. I could see MOI maybe coaching in a PT most of the time, and was trying to help key get some town cred in the case he actually did get lynched while MOI and Elena pushed onto momo a lot. It would explain why key/elena/moi were all pushing for the momo slot.

And this...

momo:

keyenpeydee, Elena Fisher, MagnaofIllusion,

Cooperative Sheep, Titus, -Grey-

Add that into the fact, that PZ, who thought this was lylo and put a vote onto ZZZX, who I also thought to be rather reserved with votes, tried to get Sheep off of key subtly, yet stated a town read sheep, along with Grey's posting early in the day on the ZZZx/massive activity, and me posting suspicion on ZZZx, which you could also figure out I probably thought massive as well, I feel PZ was trying to get grey and myself to vote ZZZx alongside him so he and Key could get the lynch.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:44 pm

In post 2137, Boonskiies wrote:And this...
momo: keyenpeydee, Elena Fisher, MagnaofIllusion, Cooperative Sheep, Titus, -Grey-

this was the wagon that lynched momo. Should have clarified, but I felt that you all could figure that's what it was anyways.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:47 pm

In loving memory of Twoface....(Lol)

VOTE: Papa Zito

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:04 am

In post 2132, Boonskiies wrote:Brings up no problem with a key lynch toDay, so that fits with where he is now. He also brought up maybe not rushing it, but puts key to L-1.

I'm stupid. This is not right. This was on the end of Grey's ISO segment in my big post. Meant to say ZZZx to L-1, not key. But now I just looked into it, and he waited a few pages, and there was a lull in activity, so it was really a rush. Also, my biggest paranoia threat just became eased, as if PZ and Grey were scum together, then Key would be getting lynched.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:11 am

If I'm wrong about one of them being scum, I think I'm wrong about Key, and that it's massive, which would still coincide with Zito's play toDay with going after ZZZX, but stating suspicion of massive. I posted in the big post that I thought one of scum were on that MOI wagon, and with MOI being so close to lynched, and BBT being so inactive and placed in the first spot, I wouldn't be surprised if it was that. as the scum.

This is why I want PZ toDay, and can figure out the Key/massive tomorrow.

Also, I think we're playing the basic Friends and Enemies setup, but feel free to say differently, if you know otherwise.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:28 am

I'm still salty about those girl reasons.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:31 am

Also, shout out to Key, Grey, and Sheep (alongside me, but won't shout out to myself), as we're the only ones left from the original player list that didn't replace out, and stuck to this game, and WE'RE ALL STILL ALIVE.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:27 am

So you think Elena was the only scum on momo?

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:33 am

In post 2146, -Grey- wrote:
In post 2145, Boonskiies wrote:So you think Elena was the only scum on momo?
I think scum tend not to interact much with each other.

To the point of nearly nothing in an 81 page game? If you ctrl+f Elena on ZZZx's ISO, 28 times she pops up.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:12 am

Man...Cloud self hammering makes a lot of sense if PZ and massive are the team. It allowed for neither of them to have to comment on the Cloud wagon, and not have to bus for the sake of bussing.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:25 pm

@ZZZx - if you noticed, I ended up finding reasons to town read everyone with that, and my ending result was that PZ/Key was the scum team, so I do agree with you that key is scum. I am town reading Sheep and ZZZx right now, and them being on key does make me a bit happier.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:28 pm

And I hate doing meta to make a case, but I have a bad tendency with massive to town read him the majority of the game, then feel like he's scum due to my paranoia from town reading him, then he ends up being town. -.-

ZZZx says he can basically read me from the get go, I kind of feel that way about massive. Been town with him. Been scum with him. Modded a scum game of his (SK? Even I think...) and a town game of his.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:41 pm

I actually think it makes more sense as TownZZZx that Elena and him didn't interact much. Elena was in and out, and did not respond to most people asking her stuff. ZZZx was also in and out for a long while. If Elena wasn't responding to the people who were, it would be weird if she did interact with ZZZx of all people.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:15 pm

Key/massive is the only other potential scum team that makes sense to me other than Key/zito.

I want to talk about that MoI playing a pretty solid town game, because I don't necessarily agree with it.

1) MoI was a big flailer and probaby the main contributor of the momo wagon.
2) He himself was at and near L-1 multiple times, with masons on him.
3) He wasn't on the Elena wagon, and buddied up with her, yet distanced himself from her.
4) Did the whole bus a buddy (in saying he was potentially going to go after either Elena or myself) then chose to set me up instead of doing anything on Elena.The bus a buddy, vote a townie Classic play.
5) Him and Elena worked hard to get people to move off of MoI when he was nearing a lynch.
6) The momo wagon's first three people are Key, MOI, and Elena.
7) Moi and Key conversed a lot, and despite Moi calling out key a lot, he never really went after him.
8) PZ has been really weird about talking about the key slot, and is pushing you to change away from it.

At this point in the game, and the fact that it's split, so well, both of the remaining scum have done well to keep themselves under, so everyone's played a "pretty solid town game". This is Day 4.
Saying scum has played a pretty solid town game is the same thing as saying scum has played a pretty solid scum game. Means the same thing, and they're still scum.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:24 pm

In post 2162, Cooperative Sheep wrote:
In post 2158, Boonskiies wrote:I am town reading Sheep and ZZZx right now, and them being on key does make me a bit happier.
Would you be game to do Key before Zito? I don't feel that half of your theory team much.

I'd MUCH rather do Zito first, but in the end, I would probably go Key. I feel I'm basically a lock to die toNight, and I know PZ is going to be much harder to lynch than key is, especially if I'm gone.

If Zito is lynched toDay, then I feel there is going to be no resistance to getting Key lynched tomorrow. If Key's lynched today, I don't know if you guys will even lynch Zito.

Like, even if I'm wrong, we get that WIFOM of is he/isn't he scum gone, and you still get to lynch Key. Tomorrow would consist of:

Sheep
ZZZx
Grey
massive
key

if zito is scum, great, you get two days left. You lynch Key with near zero resistance, boom, game over. If zito flipped town then key is still the most likely to be lynched tomorrow, sheep probably dies, which leads to zzzx/grey/massive lylo, in which grey would abstain from voting early probably, massive would vote grey, zzzx wouldn't hammer grey right away and would confirm to grey that massive is the scum. I don't think that it's going to end up that way, though, as I'm pretty confident in ScumPZ.

If key gets lynched toDay, yeah, probably would flip scum. I die. Then ZZZx gets lynched. Which would probably make us end up in a PZ/massive/Grey lylo, which I don't even like the potential of that because of my paranoia of the potential PZ/massive team.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:42 pm

In post 2165, Cooperative Sheep wrote:I like your point #2 I'll admit, I don't really want to go into extensive debate on the rest as I'd rather see Zito pick up the sword a bit.

I do think the VCA paints Key as far more likely scum than Zito though.

Like I said, I'm pretty sure they both are scum. I just see our chances of winning higher if Zito dies toDay.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:43 pm

Also, Elena made a joke wagon vote onto MOI early game, but as soon as it got bigger, she said she "got what she wanted" and unvoted.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:47 pm

I actually feel like Key's VCA paints MOI as scum as well, as key's vote makes sense usually near all times to help out MOI.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:21 pm

ZZZx is town. If you're town, vote Zito. If you're scum, vote Zito.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:23 pm

In post 2118, ZZZX wrote:Papa zito is town. The only person to try to read me (albet wrong as fuck)

Also disappointed in ya boon but whatever. Just lynch me at this point

Edit: beetleJuice?

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:23 pm

In post 2174, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 2118, ZZZX wrote:Papa zito is town. The only person to try to read me (albet wrong as fuck)

Also disappointed in ya boon but whatever. Just lynch me at this point

Edit: beetleJuice?

This doesn't come from scum.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:23 pm

Massive, please don't vote ZZZx.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:25 pm

In post 2176, keyenpeydee wrote:
In post 2173, Boonskiies wrote:ZZZx is town. If you're town, vote Zito. If you're scum, vote Zito.
I'm not reading your wall posts. It doesn't matter because you'll forever be in my townlist.

Give me a TL;DR version why MOI slot is scum or a post where you have a summarization of that slot.

My case isn't even in my wall post.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:26 pm

the majority of the first half of my posts on page 87, along with some of the posts after my big wall post give it all.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:28 pm

I have stated that the scum team is either you and PZ or PZ and massive. If it's PZ and massive, then we're going to lose with that ZZZx vote of yours. (i gave a play by play of why this is the day that most likely decides the fate of who wins this game.)

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:36 pm

I can't see a single reason for ScumKey to vote Zito here. Even if Zito was town. Am I missing something obvious with it, guys? I really don't see a reason for Key to move off of ZZZx as scum here.

Boonskiies · Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:58 am

*whistles* very obvious one thing to do.

Boonskiies · Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:08 pm

You see, at this point everyone is going to be able to make posts that come off as townie. When I'm scum, I can usually fabricate a case and make sense of it more than I can when I'm town.

ZZZx and Key wouldn't make sense either as a scum team based on Key putting Zz to L-1, and ZZZx's been pushing key.

Boonskiies · Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:09 pm

Let's all be honest, if grey is scum, we're probably fucked. I personally think if the lynch pathway was Zito-massive-grey (this is stating that one of Zito/massive are town) then that would probably end the game. But I know that key scum read is probably hard to shake.

Boonskiies · Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:21 pm

*win the game, it's an end either way.

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:02 pm

Just stating, that the fact that I'm having such a hard time getting people onto PZ from the remaining 5 of you off of it, kind of shows that he's scum. I see no reason that scum would stay off of it for this long. If key is scum without being Zito's partner, (which only makes sense in massive, which is also becoming weird with their interactions, with a smaller chance of it being Grey at this point), then there's no reason for scum to stay off of the Zito wagon. Zito is scum.

Also, I'm off in the city for a few days, but I'm making this game a priority for me if I have time to check up on it. But I might be gone until Thursday night. Just so you guys know.

Boonskiies · Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:28 pm

In post 2216, -Grey- wrote:
In post 2214, Boonskiies wrote:Just stating, that the fact that I'm having such a hard time getting people onto PZ from the remaining 5 of you off of it, kind of shows that he's scum.
Fallacious logic.

It's also quite likely that others simply don't share your opinion.

Zito looks pretty town to me.

So? Everyone looks town to me. You know how many times I've been town read solidly at this point in the game? A lot. A lot a lot.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:03 am

I already pointed out the benefit of scum not being on it. To avoid having them have to comment on it. One could be on it, sure, but not both. It makes no sense for Cloud to self hammer in that position at all. If scum was on the wagon, why wouldn't they just try and make a case elsewhere. There were other options. I was having a super annoying time trying to get that Elena lynch to go through.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:04 am

And now PZ/massive looking like scum theatre.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:07 am

In post 349, Boonskiies wrote:I'm a fucking 1 shot BP, you idiots.

would be just hilarious if this turns out to be true, wouldn't it scummies?

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:23 am

seems like MOI was setting up a fake claim to me.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:11 am

Was that a town case on key or a scum case? I couldn't tell.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:14 am

I'm not opposed to thinking the team is Zito/Grey, but I don't know how to sort grey. I know I don't want to lose if Grey is scum, though.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:19 am

I thought it was all over the place initially, too, and I didn't look much into it. But then when I iso'd everyone, I started to understand the thought process behind Key's actions. And it lead me to the side of totally lost not really knowing at all who scum is, so they just give up and sheep someone. I then did make my Zito/Key case after the wall, though.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:55 am

I mean, your partner is key, massive, or grey. I've stated that. But when I interact with the others, I like to talk to them from them as town perspective.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:57 am

I do think a PZ lynch toDay is our best chance at a win this game. Hopefully scum shoots me even though I'm probably actually BP toNight.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:01 am

I mean, I've pretty much considered your lynch a lock for the day. ZZZx, and then either sheep or grey will eventually probably move over come deadline.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:04 am

Honestly, it's been mostly MOI. Also, that and I'm still convinced that self voting town post you made made me feel like scum looking for some faux town cred. I feel I've made a lot of cases towards your slot already. I don't understand why I need to give more. I've given what I had.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:05 am

I'm not trying to convince you to lynch yourself...-.-

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:17 pm

Well, y'all are going to have to find some compromise; I'm not moving.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:01 pm

I've already stated why I would rather PZ than Key toDay, even if Key is scum with Zito.

Boonskiies · Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:01 pm

I've already stated why I would rather PZ than Key toDay, even if Key is scum with Zito.

Boonskiies · Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:50 am

Not personal. I just think you are scum.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:46 am

Well, hopefully scum thinks I'm not actually 1 shot BP and tries to shoot me toNight. It's kind of fantastic really. I only retracted it initially because this town was going to lynch me for it, so I threw a Hail Mary out there. Was expecting to get shot prior to here, though. Ah well. Happy either way. I guess. Except sheep probably dies toNight.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:46 am

Sorry, Key. I think you're going to flip town, but no point in stalling this game. I'm cool with ending night early, how bout y'all?

VOTE: Key

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:47 am

And let's please lynch Zito tomorrow.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 21, 2017 5:46 pm

I'm going to hit 500 posts this game. haha. Unless y'all quick lynch tomorrow and don't let me get at least 15 posts first.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:09 pm

In post 2292, -Grey- wrote:Boon talking like he knows he ain't the NK.

I can't die toNight. I'm 1-shot BP, lol.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:10 pm

Unless it got used up somewhere.

Boonskiies · Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:10 pm

But I don't see no vig, boi.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:43 am

In post 2298, keyenpeydee wrote:Lol guys i'm scum.
My partners are Elena and Papa Zito

You're not supposed to do this. -.-

I mean, I already knew Zito was scum, but meh.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:16 pm

Like, I wouldn't have stopped on the lynching of Zito no matter what he said, but that is kind of a bannable offense.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:16 pm

And I feel bad for Zito, if he is indeed scum.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:20 pm

In post 2118, ZZZX wrote:Papa zito is town. The only person to try to read me (albet wrong as fuck)

Also disappointed in ya boon but whatever.
Just lynch me at this point

Edit: beetleJuice?

This is why I read ZZZx as nearly confirmed town. I really don't like it as a ploy if it was scum, nor as a ploy from town at the point. But coming from scum, that would be something I couldn't ever trust again in ZZZx. Dirty town trick, but not untrustworthy. And I get that scum should try and do anything to win, but still.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:52 pm

In post 2306, -Grey- wrote:That's a dumb reason to hard town someone.

It's easily fakeable, and yeah scum will say whatever they need to say to win.

I agree, but the only reason I was scum reading ZZZx was because of POE, and that POE is shot. I had a solid town read on ZZZx the majority of the game, and I'm going to stick to it. Especially after this day. ZZZx has been pushing for Key for two days now. That is as good as confirmed town in my eyes, along with Sheep.

Zito is getting lynched tomorrow no matter what, no waffling about it. I had stated that prior to key's outburst, and for the off chance that Key is just trying to cause WIFOM with it, we're going to have to decide between Grey and massive.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:16 pm

I'm so salty I got killed. Haha. Expected. But salty.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:22 pm

Man, I was ready to come in hard on you two if I lived today. So aggravating that I was correct that day I lynched Elena with basically the entirety of the scum team. I thought maybe how hard I was pushing Zito I would potentially live.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:18 pm

Yeah, I know. As said in the dead thread I knew it was happening. I get Night Killed every game I'm in now. It's a rough life.

Yeah, it was still a well earned victory.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:18 pm

At least I got my Elena.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:31 pm

In post 2475, Cooperative Sheep wrote:
In post 2472, keyenpeydee wrote:Had to agree that town didn't play a good game.
It's an interesting issue, because I actually think most of the individual players played a good game throughout.
Town, as a group, played badly though.

I think this is a general site thing right now. Players don't want to work together to collectively find scum and just want to do it their way. Everyone thinks they are right and aren't willing to have to do a complete 180 on their reads evens if the situation comes up where they should at least look into it. I feel as time went on in this game we got better. It's unfortunate that all 3 Masons replaced.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:17 pm

Haha, I felt it would. I was figuring it out near the end of the day, and I was kind of stuck with how far I went to making a case on Zito.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:00 pm

@Key - I just realized what your signature was. I worked on the set of that show for 6 months last year as a stand-in/extra.

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:12 pm

Also, would just like to announce that my Large Normal, a game in my BooneyToonz series, will be going into signups shortly if anyone would like to /in for that. It has already passed review for Normalcy and Balance. I think my pre-in list is full, a few of you are even on it. It's going to have a cryptid theme with admittedly horrible flavor story, what you would expect coming from me! Thanks everyone!

I had a lot of fun with this game, and I didn't think I would look back at this game with the Friends and Enemies setup fondly. I've never played that in a closed setup. Thanks for sticking with us, Human! I know it must have been rough, especially early game. I think you did a great job handling everything!

Boonskiies · Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:18 pm

In post 2484, Gamma Emerald wrote:What show were you on Boon

13 Reasons Why. Key's signature is a long quote from it but replaced all the hateful stuff with love and caring stuff. I was just in the back ground, and then did stand-in work for it. Technically I'm in all 13 episodes, haha. Little blurs everywhere.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 30, 2017 4:35 am

You also replaced into a game that was a chaotic mess and had way too many replacements. I would have had a hard time with that too. In general, I feel people need to stop replacing out of games so much. I understand if they have personal reasons that they can't do it, but just because someone upsets them or says something they didn't like is NOT a reason to replace out of games.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:36 am

In post 2493, Papa Zito wrote:
In post 2479, Boonskiies wrote:Haha, I felt it would. I was figuring it out near the end of the day, and I was kind of stuck with how far I went to making a case on Zito.
You should probably review that part of the game in light of how completely wrong you were.

Yeah, but I understood why I went the way I did. I'm happy with my overall performance this game. A little salty about me getting the entire scum team correct at a point in the game. I went over the entire game a good amount and really what threw me off the most was me gut town reading Key, but not trusting myself entirely, which threw off the composition for everything else in my reads.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:04 am

In post 2495, Papa Zito wrote:If you name pretty much everyone in the game as scum at some point, yeah you got the entire team. Congrats I suppose.

I can only attest to your play after I replaced in since I didn't go and read every in depth but from my perspective it was particularly poor. Also I did notice when researching a couple wagons that you tried to self hammer at one point. shrug

I will never self hammer, L. It got the votes off, and I became basically conf town, and I'm basically the sole reason that we got any scum lynched at all this game. You came off as scummy, so you got voted. Simple as that.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:10 am

In post 293, Boonskiies wrote:What I did get off of this game is that Elena is scum af, and I know it, just can't explain it in case just yet. Worst thing, but I'll catch her.

Haha. Early day 1 post.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:51 am

if it helps me catch scum, as I'm the only one who got scum lynched this game.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:52 am

I would have been dumb not to reevaluate things my last day. From my perspective, you guys played poorly the final day.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:47 am

In post 2501, Cooperative Sheep wrote:
In post 283, Boonskiies wrote:
In post 268, Cooperative Sheep wrote:VOTE: Boonskies

Baaaah
This is a troll bad town slot.
This was also an early Day 1 read.

I was a troll bad scum slot

Zito has a very fair point that if you honestly stopped believing your scum read on him then you absolutely should have stopped pushing him. You went to your death, as town, calling out a player you're saying you weren't really scum reading because you didn't want to shift your reads - a player that scum later was easily able to have an option to lynch because at least one town straight sheeped your value call? That's objectively not good play. As town you should focus on stating your reads as you have them, not sticking to things you're uncertain of because you're scared it will make you look scummy. Also, I think that was an unfair concern for you, you were highly unlikely to get lynched after the Elena lynch, so why not just play more honestly?

I mean, i disagree. I voted key to end the day.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:49 am

I stated majority of my thoughts. I town read everyone in a way. So had to shift through those. I'm not going to agree that I played worse than anyone else in the final days.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:50 am

I was trying to live. It is objectively good play. Zzzx even brought up the idea of not killing me. Which is what I was aiming for.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:50 am

was a long shot, but I follow through with it and would do it again.

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:50 am

worst case scenario, it makes my scum game look better, so...

Boonskiies · Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:57 am

i'm nothing if not confident with my reads.

I wasn't, which zzzx proved in the scum thread.

I 180 on my reads. It helps me figure scum out. I will push things hard when I have them on my mind.