OPEN 687: JUNGLE OLIGARCHY (GAME OVER)

[Realeo]

Says the guy who keeps replacing out.

[Realeo]

Fair enough.

Hello! Welcome back!

[Realeo]

*Reads the thread*

Uh..

Realeo.java raises

ReadingComprehensionException

Can some one explain me what is going on. I mean, I understand what is going on, but I cannot tell if the vote is serious or not.

[Realeo]

Pretty much every single votes starting from Gamma Emerald reacting to Alpine. I'm confindent enough that Alpine is RVS-ing. GE is not unvoting so I assume it's serious, but it's silly to assume GE is seriously voting for it.

[Realeo]

GE always rubs me the wrong way...but then again, he always rub me the wrong away.

However, this rubbing is somewhat special and I think I'm going to put GE in my scum lean.

[Realeo]

When Flubber outs GE for reading comprehension error, I expect GE to go 'Sorry. Sorry. My bad. My fos is for wrong reason," and unvotes like he did at java. However, GE joined the programming fiasco instead and like "lul wtf."

[Realeo]

I don't think any vote after that point was entirely random.

I also don't see what you see with gamma.

So why you vote MathemathicalThetaFormula if yours is not random?

[Realeo]

It seems a little strange for you to say you're assuming something that is silly to assume.

Which is why I raise

ReadingComprehensionException

. I feel like I miss some context.

[Realeo]

I mean, I don't really get what is going on that is so serious to an extent that Flabbarunauget that Flabber is pushing a lynch in page 2?

[Realeo]

I can't believe I'm having mental breakdown in page 3.

[Realeo]

What is exactly Theta Alpine's cardinal sin that he deserves 4 votes? Everything is bizarre. I cannot follow anyone's train of thought.

[Realeo]

But flashwagon are usually for a reason. I don't know what is the reason.

[Realeo]

Guys, let me introduce you Not Fury. Judging from his townread at me, this is his first multi ball game.

[Realeo]

her. My bad. I hate gender pronoun.

[Realeo]

Thank you but if you look at my post, they are 1 ~ 3 minutes apart. It's not about me not able to pause, it's about me ranting.

[Realeo]

This is your daily reminder that we're looking for five scums.

[Realeo]

I'm going to go ahead and assume that Theta townreads me.

Why?

[Realeo]

I'm going to go ahead and assume that Theta townreads me.

Why?

When I say why, I mean "Why you townread me?"

Here's more context.

no tnemmoc ot tnatropmi gnihton mhU
ko smees nogaw ehT
?yllausu taht ekil yalp eh seod ro ,yadretsey no rebbulF saw fW
.ekaf smees ,hcum oot seirrow oelaeR

i went to quote and respond to this and went wtf

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[reverse]no tnemmoc ot tnatropmi gnihton mhU[/reverse]
[reverse]ko smees nogaw ehT[/reverse]
[reverse]?yllausu taht ekil yalp eh seod ro ,yadretsey no rebbulF saw fW[/reverse]
[reverse].ekaf smees ,hcum oot seirrow oelaeR[/reverse]

why would you ever do this
back to what i was originally going to say

that reads as
-not going to comment-
-comment-
-comment/query-
-comment-

so hypocrisy + arbitrary obfuscation +

shade throwing

= probable scum
VOTE: trihexa

My mind went "Holy Shit. Theta accuses Trihexa shade throwing at me?" The implication is

[ 1 ] Theta strongly townreads me. (Because why would scum shade throw a scum?)
[ 2 ] Theta scum slips and admits I'm not his scum partner.

Answer my question, please.

[Realeo]

I find it funny that no one talks Flubber. I'm not quite sure he is that invisible that no one talk about him?

I have mixed feeling about KMD. KMD is so diplomatic that

[ 1 ] It reminds me of Fire and Ice Mafia where KMD is scum. Such diplomatic attitude was the reason I remember scum read them

[ 2 ] But then again, it's probably me being biased and I feel the need to revenge him.

[ 3 ] But there is 5 scums.

[Realeo]

I retract that Flubber comment. I'm drunk on Reinmann sum.

[Realeo]

But still though. Does no one has comment on Flubber? All the comment are only on Trihexa and Theta currently.

[Realeo]

Spoiler:

Vote theta alpine

nice naked vote kmd

Thanks. I thought so too.

I also thought what dave and flubber thought by the way.

Realeo, which vote are you asking about?

I don't think any vote after that point was entirely random.

I also don't see what you see with gamma.

Dave, my mistake. I meant Gamma.

Realeao, he appeared to be voting flubber for the same reason that flubber used for his vote. It stood out and I wanted to see how he reacted to a few votes (mine was the third). He seemed defensive and aggitated which seems off on page 2. So my vote stays.

Dave, you told us in 50 what you were trying to do. You were looking for a reaction.

Unvote, Vote trihexa

Now I have a real scum read. That post reads as very safe and trying not to ruffle feathers. The realeo suspicion is fine because it's an opinion on a specific player, but saying the wagon "seems ok" and leaving it at that feels unnatural. Why is it ok? Do you agree with it? If so, why not vote on it? Also why not vote realeo? This is scum. Take it to the bank.

Hellfire, any thoughts/reads?

no tnemmoc ot tnatropmi gnihton mhU
ko smees nogaw ehT
?yllausu taht ekil yalp eh seod ro ,yadretsey no rebbulF saw fW
.ekaf smees ,hcum oot seirrow oelaeR

i went to quote and respond to this and went wtf

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[reverse]no tnemmoc ot tnatropmi gnihton mhU[/reverse]
[reverse]ko smees nogaw ehT[/reverse]
[reverse]?yllausu taht ekil yalp eh seod ro ,yadretsey no rebbulF saw fW[/reverse]
[reverse].ekaf smees ,hcum oot seirrow oelaeR[/reverse]

why would you ever do this
back to what i was originally going to say

that reads as
-not going to comment-
-comment-
-comment/query-
-comment-

so hypocrisy + arbitrary obfuscation + shade throwing = probable scum
VOTE: trihexa

I mean

Coming from someone who just voted that slot before you... I don't have a problem with the "hypocracy", don't know what the second thing is, and consider the "shade throwing" maybe decentish.

This vote feels off. Maybe we were on to something with Theta after all. I could see trihexa and theta being scum on opposite teams at this point. I mean even if the obfuscation thing is a decent point, throwing in the word "hypocracy" is my biggest issue here. It feels like an attempt to blow my vote up into a wagon to take the attention off of her.

Scum can be throwing shade at opposing scum.

That was more at realeo for thinking you must be townreading him.

And "just lynch someone" isn't the right play. It's still early. I'd welcome more votes on trihexa though.

I agree with basically everything Not Fury just said about trihexa and theta.

I've pretty much given all of my thoughts already.

I'm scumreading trihexa and theta. Not same team. See my ISO for why.

I like Not Fury's posting, but can't say town for sure because scum can scumhunt too in this setup. However I do like that Not Fury saw the same thing I did on trihexa/theta possibly being scum seperately and I'm not sure that's a thought that scum would have, so yeah, actually. Consider Not Fury a town read for now.

I want to see more from Hellfire which is why I prodded for thoughts and reads.

I like Dave for town but that's just a gut read.

Anyone else I need more time to even lean one way or the other. Most of those are due to inactivity so far, but realeo is more that I think it's going to take some time to figure him out. And you, I want to say town, but again I need to see more still.

This stuff in particular stands out as playing in a reserved way and it's why I think Kmd is scummy

I agree she is reserved but I can't tell the difference if this is "towny playing the game slowly" or "scum shitting his pant scared making fuss"

[Realeo]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

I can still give KMD the benefit of doubt, but the way GE crawls seems off.

[Realeo]

Myeah, I'm good with this vote for the time being.

[Realeo]

Tell me.

Theta seems to not be reacting to things how

I'd expect scum to react

When wagoned he just continued on with

his play.

1. What is exactly do you expect from scum!Theta?

2. Continue his play means at the beginning mean you think his initial act is scummy, but he continues it therefore NAI since it's not deviation.

Welcome to the jungle. Any thoughts on who is scum?

You!

Why don't you have a vote there then

VOTE: flubbernugget

funny that you should say that when you are not voting javajoe

Flubber wasn't saying he had any sort of read on Dave.
VOTE: Theta Alpine

For the life of my soul, I can't really understand from your perspective, why his action warrants any vote. Like, it was page 1, he do this sheningan and this sheningan is scummy???

KMD said his action was off, but it was his

reaction

that put him scummy, not his action.

Why is Theta's action scummy?

[Realeo]

Why is putting words into Flubber's mouth scummy? It only proves that he's an idiot, not a scum.

[Realeo]

We're cool

UNVOTE:

[Realeo]

1) Yeah, but I lack sample (only 1 game) which is why I give you the benefit of doubt

2) Fair point. I may have a remnant of yesterday's impression.

3) To quote Kmd4390, you can get all info from what I post. You would need to be specific if you have concern.

[Realeo]

Why you unvote?

When GE says "It's misrep," I go reread the thread. 99 and 100 makes senses from GE's perspective.

Why you vote?

The conversation below it is not obvious enough?

[Realeo]

Why is putting words into Flubber's mouth scummy? It only proves that he's an idiot, not a scum.

On what planet does it make sense for town to put words in someone else's mouth?

If the town is an idiot.

[Realeo]

What commentary would you expect?

But the interesting thing is, why focus on him to ask for what people think?

The only thing that he talked was [1] programming [2] "text book mafia" which was not explained. Given the fact he's not really contributive, I find it jarring that he's not talked about.

I don't expect anything specific talked about him. Even "I find Flubber is NAI currently" will be sufficient because it acknowledges his presence. I just don't know why he is

that invisible

.

[Realeo]

Like Trihexa get 2 posts and he got all the buzz but Flubber makes a wall of shitpost and nothing?

[Realeo]

Because he has said a strange thing but not talked about. Like kmd naked voting but got attention from javajoe. If Kmd naked voting gets the attention of person, then Flubber, who has a bigger action (actually pushing for Theta) , logically speaking, should get more attention, right?

But it didn't

Followup: I find too many people to be "invisible" which hampers my ability to make progress on reads.

Such as?

[Realeo]

You had a big conversation with him.

No. He had a big monologue.

[Realeo]

Not. It's not the bad trolls.

It's the push at Theta.

[Realeo]

I push Gamma and four people freak out.

You push Theta (judged by the fact that you haven't unvote him) and no one even bothers to ask "Why?" You may say that "people can infer that my reasoning is the same," but this game is an over-detailed game where people are unusually in detail.

[Realeo]

*Writes Flubber is being defensive on my note*

[Realeo]

Because I am not scumreading you.

I am questioning other's people reaction.

I am cool with you. My problem is with others.

If I do have problem with you, I would question you directly instead asking people to look at you

(see Realeo v Gamma Emerald for more info)

But suddenly you vote me?

Well, it seems out of place, don't you think?

[Realeo]

If you're wondering what is exactly the conclusion of me pursuing Flubber, let's say I have one but I'm holding it back?

[Realeo]

I still don't like naked votes, but right now I am scum reading realeo more

Explain the "more" part.

[Realeo]

Realeo, have you played with flubber much?

No, my first game with him

Also, based on 184, it sounds like you think scum chose to ignore town Flubber.

Oh God, you are good. You just guess my conclusion.

It was my conclusion that scum ignored Flubber. I realized that there are 3 "God is in detail player" : daveaz, GE, kmd.

My conclusion was one of those "God is in detail" was inconsistently in detail therefore he is scum. I keep this conclusion because I'm not exactly sure with the accuracy of my conclusion and daveaz was just biting in so I need to keep the conclusion as secret as possibe.

Unfortunately, Flubber decided to be a drama king and act as if I even scumread him.

My analysis is to say that daveas is the scum from the bunch judged by the way he voted delta. I mean, his interrogation is so detailed but his reasoning is so simplistic.

But I'm not voting him yet. I'm contemplating on a omgus fight against javajoe.

[Realeo]

Nah. Javajoe and Davesaz are the same scum team.

VOTE: Davesaz

[Realeo]

Question for Dave:

I noticed that you never questioned javajoe despite there are some ambiguity. Normally, you would question those ambiguity--but you didn't at javajoe. Your read at javajoe, please.

[Realeo]

What ambiguity are you seeing in JavaJoe?

It's just that you're very "in detail" when questioning me.

Like this post

Spoiler: Like this post

Trimmed for brevity.

Realeo, have you played with flubber much?

No, my first game with him

Also, based on 184, it sounds like you think scum chose to ignore town Flubber.

Oh God, you are good. You just guess my conclusion.

It was my conclusion that scum ignored Flubber.

There is a potential scumslip in that quote. Perhaps more than one. I will leave this out there for a while to see who picks up on it.

After reading through the rest of the thread I am pretty happy doing this....

VOTE: realeo

But you fail to interrogate even that post above.

There is so MANY thing that god-is-in-detail!Dave can ask

[ 1 ] Why you are not triggered by naked vote of Flumber (taken by Hellfire missile)

[ 2 ] WHAT IS EXACTLY THAT YOU SEE?

Yet he just avoid javajoe

[Realeo]

For fucking sake, he dodged my question about "What is your read at javajoe"

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Dave reminds me of my own scum play. "Keep asking question. Make analysis." But my weakness is that I always fail to scum hunt my own partner. Me seeing Dave makes me look at my self when drawing scum.

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Realeo, but why would scum dave specifically ignore town flubber?

Because he's not a lynch bait currently and playing power player.

[Realeo]

I have explained. You would need to be more specific where you get lost.

[Realeo]

Which part of "specific" don't you understand? You're not being specific, you're rewording your question.

[Realeo]

Not Fury, for example, is not a "God is In Detail" player as she makes simplification at her townread at me.

Dave, can go even further and ask "Why?" and spot potential implicit

What did you base your TR on at this point?

But the interesting thing is, why focus on him to ask for what people think?

There is a potential scumslip in that quote. Perhaps more than one. I will leave this out there for a while to see who picks up on it.

He's capable of being more critical.

There is so many such questions that you can ask to java yet he said "What's ambigious?"

I say that he can't be critical to javajoe since he's his scum partner.

[Realeo]

Anyway, I made a separate assertion that there were other people who hadn't garnered adequate attention. I might have time to elaborate before I have to leave for a meeting.

If that's your defense:

What makes Not Fury receives adequate attention to be questioned but javajoe not?

[Realeo]

I mean, javajoe literally start the game with telling his personal life. Like that literally, sets the RVS to a gloomy tone and make the RVS quicker. If that's not "garnered adequate attention", I don't know what else.

[Realeo]

Friendly reminder for GE and Hellfire Missile to not re-ask the same question (ie. GE said "HM, you read on Realeo?" or HM said "Dunn, explain please.") until the person you are interrogating is

actually online

. It's futile. If he's online, posted, but dodged your question, then you can re-ask again.

(Talking about why Dave is scummy from his vote) Second, for the length of time playing this game, you should know that activity alone is NAI, I'm also easy pickings for scum because I'm 'new' (I'm an alt btw).

DeltaW raises an important issue about scum!Dave, but for a completely wrong reason.

DeltaW saying davesaz is voting him for activity is misrep. There is no way for Dave to know it's activity. town!Dave can suspect that it's DeltaW a scared scum running out of material, regardless of activity.

The real reason why this is scummy post is:

[ 1 ] So Dave asks a lot but Dave's reasoning is simplistic? Dave doesn't have to throw a grand logic--it doesn't even have to be right as people fuck up all the time--but he has to show effort in his reasoning.

The fact that he fails suggest that Dave's questioning is just fillering as his discourse turns out to be meaningless.

[ 2 ] If the reaosn why Dave vote is to pressure content; then why he have to pressure by vote when he can pressure by question,

especially the fact the he has been throwing question all the time

[Realeo]

Do people actually scumread shiqf and townread Firescreamer? Do they actually deserves that?

[Realeo]

Given the fact that DeltaW is an alt, I prolly gonna put him in my scum lean but not sure.

[Realeo]

I live in a GMT - 7 while most American are GMT + 5. Twelve hours difference.

"You say good morning when it's midnight."

You will be more used with me making pre-empitve responses for efficiency.

[Realeo]

firescreamer is a scum-null for me
more scum than null however

Oh shit. That's new.

May explain?

I mean, to be specific why the scum trumps null?

[Realeo]

Theta, why you townread me?

[Realeo]

I senses sarcasm. Help, don't understand what are you trying to say.

[Realeo]

No. I mean "I like the Dave line of questioning. Vote can go here while it develops. "

[Realeo]

If you like Dave's questioning, then you townread him.

[Realeo]

So that's it? I townread Realeo and he push Dave so weeeeeeeeeeeeeee?

[Realeo]

where did i say that i townread you
however you are probably town due to active scum hunting and attempting to get inactive players into the game

Because you're reporting to me.

"Realeo, I vote shaqf because I want to hear more."

I was torn between buddying!Theta or vulnerable!Theta.

[Realeo]

Reallocate, your whole argument seems to based on me and Dave being scum partners. Honestly I don't think this is a good way to scum hunt. Since I know my own alignment, it lets me know that your logic is flawed. Dave could possibly be scum, I haven't really looked to hard into him, honestly I think I have tunneled a bit on you, but I tend to do that when I scum hunt normally, it's one of my weaknesses. I still read you as scum and will leave my vote on you, but for now I am going to force myself to start looking more heavily into other players.

Another person dodging my question. Excellent!

[Realeo]

I asked javajoe why he scumread me more than others and he gave a preach without answering the question.

I asked Dave what is his read at javajoe and I also get a preach without answering the question.

Welcome to the jungle. Any thoughts on who is scum?

You!

Oh, how coincidental. What are the chances.

[Realeo]

Given the fact that DeltaW is an alt, I prolly gonna put him in my scum lean but not sure.

What

He's picky with what his post at, but I'm not sure if it's genuine activity or scum cherry picking.

[Realeo]

I'm having

MemoryException

when processing Theta. So many moving variables at his post. Gonna come back to him later.

Pedit: Explain the phony. Which post makes you think he is phony?

[Realeo]

imb4 that Dunn is scum and he is tired of being lynched and just copy NM for survival

[Realeo]

What is your read at javajoe, for fucking sake.

[Realeo]

I don't have a read because he has not posted enough to get one.
He's not a lurker. But he's not saying anything much useful. And you're the only one who seems to care about him

but you're jumping on me and not everyone else in the thread?

The problem of you is that you pretty much has a very low of barrier of entry to get to your attention.

Flubber barrier of entry is "If you mess up with me, you get my attention."

My barrier entry is when it comes to motives and reasoning. Which is why I don't really give a damn about DeltaW and Hellfire Missile "feeling" that I am scum.

KMD barrier entry is "if something fell off."

GE is ...eh I don't know.

So what is Davesaz barrier entry?

Dave barrier of entry is so low that even "Dunnstral not active posting" get his attention.

If Dave claims that "Javajoe is null conclusively," I buy it. If Dave claims "I haven't check it," I may be able to give the benefit of doubt but I still prompt for answer. However, when Dave claims that "Nothing wrong about javajoe," I call bullshit. There is so many thing to ask from Javajoe that if you can find something wrong from Dunn not posting, you can find plenty wrong from java.

[Realeo]

It still doesn't explain the simplistic vote at DeltaW, also.

[Realeo]

I can understand why KMD triggered by Theta. If Theta is newbie, I can understand the math-sturbation, but given he is alt, I expect Theta not to post that.

I'm satisfied with my vote with Dave.

I'm open if anyone want to counter-wagon javajoe.

Delta looks to be actively sorting and trying to work out the game

No?

I mean, Delta spend sometimes responding to attack at him but I don't think he deserves the credit.

Gamma townread is my strongest read in the game by some distance

Oh man

Yeah, this need some explanation.

[Realeo]

seems like a lot of fluff and filler without actual content.

blatant misrep

Case in point

I'm no longer scum?

[Realeo]

Deadline in (May 21st).

Currently (by this post), we have 8 days remaining.

With 5 scums, there are going to be a lot of scummy people. It may be hard to gather a majority vote on time as there way too many scummy people.

Therefore, I have a proposition to ask.

I'm going to manage a second (pseudo) voting board.

What I want to do is to vote

5 people

that you think who is scum (no matter he is werewolf or mafia, Theta).

You vote with hurt tag

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[hurt]Insert name here[/hurt]

I don't think scum able to manipulate this on multiball as they have incentive to ensure the other faction is lynched.

So here's an example vote from me:

HURT: Dave
HURT: java
HURT: Theta (I'm not quite sure I'm satisfied with that vote)
HURT: Delta
HURT: shqf

Second voting:
Dave : (1) Realeo
java : (1) Realeo
Theta : (1) Realeo
Delta : (1) Realeo
shqf : (1) Realeo

Why I think this second voting is good?

1. It forces people to not tunnel and have a bigger picture. I particularry worried by KMD who only come to one scumread.

2. It's possible that unanimously, people that believe that X is scum but no one want to vote him because he's not the scummiest (ie. only 3rd scummiest). It's our natural instinct to only vote the scummiest when in reality, you only need to vote any of the 5 scums to win. The second leaderboard will be able to highlight those implicit consesus.

3. No. It's not too early. At least not in multiball

4. I see for example, Dunnstral start getting wide with his scumread. However, it's quite hard to track his scumread. (Uh, dave, delta, kmd, gamma. Omigosh. My mental memory broke down.)

[Realeo]

Second voting:
Dunn : (1) kmd
Dave : (1) Realeo
java : (1) Realeo
Theta : (2) Realeo, kmd
Delta : (2) Realeo, kmd
shqf : (2) Realeo, kmd
Firesceamer: (1) Kmd

[Realeo]

Realeo is pushing at a frustratingly granular level and it's like he forgot he was playing with human beings

Nah, if I'm that granular, Theta would be dead.

[Realeo]

My 5 would be realeo, Dunn,

theta

, kmd, and shqf

Why is theta scummy? I thought you like his math work?

[Realeo]

I'm somewhat confident that Gamma is town. If anyone disagrees--beside Dunn--someone please bite me quickly.

[Realeo]

@kmd: Furthermore town should not really care which kind of scum to lynch d1.
I find that whole thing distasteful and probably wrong,

but I don't have a good feel for whether it is AI

Yeah, that is exactly the reason why I'm not exactly happy hurting (ie. voting) Theta. If Theta does not make that post--I would probably name Hellfire Missile, instead.

I mean, it's so stupid that town won't do it--

but why is exactly scum would post it?

I mean, if I were mafia!Theta, I would post it in my daychat to tell my partner instead of main thread. "Yo! Bro! We need to stop scumhunting werewolf and push lynch instead."

So it's either werewolf!Theta and town!Theta. mafia!Theta makes no senses. But someone inside my gut says Theta is town.

[Realeo]

On other hand, probablity theory is an indication of "try hard scum" and I know that because we caught one (mhsmith) for doing that and I once did that as scum too.

[Realeo]

But when I was scum doing "probability theory", it was because I want to establish me being townread. Theta seems more to a curious mathematician. The stupid suggestion of "ask them to claim" suggests that he doesn't bother being townread to begin with--he's just plainly curious--as a scum would notice that stupidity to begin with.

[Realeo]

Second voting:
Realeo : (1) java
Dunn : (2) kmd, java
Dave : (1) Realeo
java : (1) Realeo
Theta : (3) Realeo, kmd, java
Delta : (2) Realeo, kmd
shqf : (3) Realeo, kmd, java
kmd : (1) java
Firesceamer: (1) Kmd

(For dave, if you are having trouble with my post count--simply divide my number with 3)

[Realeo]

BTD is up for a pr0d

[Realeo]

BTW. I can relate why people can't relate with my scumread at Dave.

But I can't relate to people who can't relate with my scumread at javajoe.

Someone please tell me why?

[Realeo]

I mean, DeltaW is only 13 posts yet people are quite vocal with him.

sqhf is at 5 posts and 4 people fos him.

But javajoe is at 16 posts. He's not exactly nothing.

[Realeo]

I don't think the fact that theta used a graph means anything at all.

Preview edit: remind me what the case was on java?

1. BTW, I can't see a graph. Is there a picture?

2. It's pretty much why people fos sqhf--no obvious reasoning or thinking process.

[Realeo]

So why you fos him, it's because his probability table right? Am I missing context?

[Realeo]

I'm somewhat confident that Gamma is town. If anyone disagrees--beside Dunn--someone please bite me quickly.

I'm drunk on logarithm when I make this post. Silly me.

[Realeo]

I think (especially this early in the game) it's going to force people to contrive scum reads for the sake of filling their list

If you change your mind, you can simply change it. It may be going to be logistic nightmare, but oh well.

[Realeo]

I am calling it now, BTD is town

Maybe townlean, but yeah, I concur.

[Realeo]

I honestly don't get the scumread at Dunnstral. I mean, I understand why people freaks out. However, the transition of freak out -> scumread makes more senses for scumread @ Theta compared to scumread @ Dun.

[Realeo]

Second voting:
Gamma Emerald : (1) Dunn
Realeo : (1) java
Dunn : (5) kmd, java, Theta, Gamma Emerald, FireScreamer
Dave : (4) Realeo, Gamma Emerald, FireScreamer, Dunn
java : (3) Realeo, FireScreamer, Dunn
Theta : (4) Realeo, kmd, java, FireScreamer
Delta : (3) Realeo, kmd, Gamma Emerald
shqf : (6) Realeo, kmd, java, Theta, Gamma Emerald, Dunn
kmd : (2) java, Dunn
Firesceamer: (2) Kmd, Theta
Flubbernugget: (1) Theta
BTD6_maker: (1) Theta
Hellfire Mussile: (2) Gamma Emerald, FireScreamer

[Realeo]

My only two scum reads right now are theta and you

I hope your analysis handles nulls well

Ah ya ya. Another programmer joke.

[Realeo]

No. NullPointerException.

[Realeo]

*Looks at Flubber v Gamma and Fire*

Ah. I see a theme here.

[Realeo]

You're just as welcome to pull out quotes where Dave is scum but you won't/can't

Yeah, I was thinking the same. It was unresolved issue for me. Why is dave scume for you?

[Realeo]

This thread is now a place for me to drunkenly vent and I hate you all and even though you all know on the inside you're awful people you're going to lynch me to feel better about yourselves

are you appealing to emotion with a single vote on you

I noticed from the beginning that his scumreading is an omgus scumreading ~ but that's why I townread him and pretty much considered him as a noise.

You're just as welcome to pull out quotes where Dave is scum but you won't/can't

Yeah, I was thinking the same. It was unresolved issue for me. Why is dave scume for you?

He's town

No. I'm talking about

FireScreamer

. Why is dave scum for him?

[Realeo]

@Theta Be honest. When do you first sign up with your main account?

[Realeo]

ANTICIPATED PLOT TWIST: Theta is Momo. That would explain everything.

[Realeo]

That makes 575 even worse, but it also makes your graph even make no senses.

[Realeo]

I concur with that. I can give Dave the benefit of doubt on that part.

[Realeo]

I can understand if Dave is towny.

+0.5 davesaz
making some really good points
and generally trying to keep town on track

But for the hell of my life, I can't believe that Dave is towniest

compared

to either KMD or GE (or me if you are Dunn)

[Realeo]

Help me point Dave's helpful post.

[Realeo]

Realeo, how does your analysis account for people that are wrapping lurkers in hurt tags like that is a scumtell?

Let us say that I'm tempted to vote Theta but 334 always makes me hesitant.

[Realeo]

But it's not the wrapping lurkers that bothers me. It's more to his reasoning.

Do I have something to do with the "wrapping lurker"? Yes, but it has to wait.

[Realeo]

The "wrapping lurkers" only came when deadline lynch is approaching, unfortunately.

[Realeo]

I spend some of my time trying to guess who would be Theta Alpine's partner assuming he is werewolf (I already explained why mafia!Theta makes no senses) and judged by Theta's scumread--I'm guessing Delta/Theta or Delta/Java

Scumreading at Theta and at BTD is pretty much the same but somewhat double standard?

[Realeo]

*Scumreading at Delta

[Realeo]

alright then
what are your scum reads VOTE: shiqf

realeo i want shiqf to post actual content

firescreamer is a scum-null for me
more scum than null however

p-edit realeo is not quite defending your post deltaw

You see that Theta is reporting to me right? "Realeo. I want shiqf."

Well the question is... Who am I so that you report to me? You don't know my role PM. There are two scenarios

[A] Extreme buddying

or

Extreme vulnerability.

I mean, inside town, we're basically scared of the scum right? We have tendency to report to who we believe we trust. For example, you would see tendency Flubber exchaning with Kmd because they do townread each other.

So when Theta reports to me, I thought it was an implicit, honest, "I trust you."

<- Insert some appeal to emotion because for the first time, I went IRL emotional by playing mafia.

Which is why the next question that I asked is:

Theta, why you townread me?

[Realeo]

Maybe because I just helped a troubled friend in IRL and I watched Danganronpa so I get over-sensitive, but the fact I can't shake it off after sleep means that it's not just "emotional impression"--it was my gut shouting "TOWN! TOWN!"

[Realeo]

or it was
c i was responding to 330

That changes a lot.

[Realeo]

Someone is almost due to a prod.

[Realeo]

I think we need to get some wagons going. The two with the two highest votes on the secondary votes are Dunn and theta. For now I will switch to theta to get the wagon rolling, but don't think you are off the hook Dunn

VOTE: Theta

VOTE: javajoe

Explanation reaaaaaaaaly later. Quiz is incoming on class.

[Realeo]

Agreed

VOTE: theta

To sheep or not to sheep, that is the question.

For lack of other choices VOTE: Joe

I want this to be clarified before I slap my trap card.

More explanation, please.

[Realeo]

I mean, I think I know what DeltaW mean--and it's a valid reasoning~nothing scumy--but because Gamma Emerald took a different intepretation, I want to confirm the semantic.

[Realeo]

Reallocate, your whole argument seems to based on me and Dave being scum partners. Honestly I don't think this is a good way to scum hunt. Since I know my own alignment, it lets me know that your logic is flawed.

Dave could possibly be scum, I haven't really looked to hard into him

I don't know what is wrong with this other than "Since i know my own alignment, you're wrong"
Something is off, just can't remember it was called

I was also alerted, but my mind went "Ah. Second VI."

Pedit: Thank you for quick response! Posting my trap card in next post.

[Realeo]

KMD intepret my HURT: plan as analytical Realeo and Flufffer buy it.

I'm sorry. It was not analytical!Realeo.

It was a gambit.

I know that there are going to be a consensus..but that consensus would be on a weak scum read where there is no polarized opinion and it would fall to lurker. Which in this case : shiqf.

I know scum can't resist to be opportunistic.

And I have a victim.

I think we need to get some wagons going. The two with the two highest votes on the secondary votes are Dunn and theta. For now I will switch to theta to get the wagon rolling, but don't think you are off the hook Dunn

VOTE: Theta

SO MANY THING THAT IS WRONG WITH THAT

1. The fact that he flip-flopped with BTD means that he has no plan with "the wagon" to begin with. He was fillering "To make wagon" to sweet talking it
2. javajoe
   do
   scumread Theta from the 5 hurt tags.

   My 5 would be realeo, Dunn, theta, kmd, and shqf

   If he say, "My push is not working, I'm going for my second scumread," it works. However, if he say "top two votes" THEN WHAT ARE YOUR READ LIST FOR?
3. As a continuation, there's no need to do "We need wagon" sheningan. Just vote Theta. You already fos him. It's natural. No need to sugar coat it.
4. Notice that this is the post that javajoe agreed at:

   Shiqf has not done much of anything in this game. This could be scum-indicative but is more likely NAI, at least for now. It will probably be easier to sort them later, once we have more content.
   
   As for the major hurt wagons, that leaves Theta, Dave, and Dunn.
   
   Currently the only person I would hurt out of these is Theta, as I do not have many other relatively strong reads. Theta is a weak scumread.
   
   VOTE: Theta

   javajoe said that he agreed to it. Here's the problem: BTD is stating that he doesn't have many other relatively strong reads and javajoe agrees to it showing that javajoe also agrees that he doesn't have many other strong read.
   But that doesn't make senses. He spend 7 pages tunneling Dunn and acknowledging that read is not strong?
   
   

[Realeo]

I understand that you may disagree, but here's the deal : If you think Theta is scummy for scumreading based on post count, then you must acknowledge that javajoe is scummy for voting based on vote count. He may vote from his read list (even if by coincidental his readlist matches the popular vote) but outright voting from vote count is just not.

If you don't acknowledge the above, you're being double standard.

[Realeo]

I am interested in seeing realeo s reasoning as well, and delta, considering he wanted to sheep me, then immediately voted me with no explanation.

Shut up. You spend the day either dodging my question or dismissing my analysis by "I know my role PM."

Well, I also know my role PM and it's town--your scumreading sucks.

[Realeo]

Joe pinged me because he did it twice on the same page.

I missed this. What do you mean by "twice on the same page."

[Realeo]

One correct thing doesn't dismiss the other wrong thing.

[Realeo]

Ok. So what's your plan when you say "We want wagon rolling!"

So like "Weee. I want wagon. Oops, I'm bad at scumhunting. I only start but not want to be accountable for that?"

[Realeo]

I mean, you ALREADY scumread Theta.

You don't need "We need wagon" excuse.

Go for him! Kill him!

[Realeo]

I don't even know what you are trying to say here. I want information. The easiest way to get information that I know of is to get a wagon going. Once I have substantial information instead of having to read people, I am much better at scum hunting

BUT YOU NEVER ASK QUESTION THIS ENTIRE GAME!!!!

DO YOU HAVE ZERO CURIOUSITY???

HOW DO YOU GET SUBSTANTIOAL INFORMATION IF YOU DON'T ASK????

THE ONLY QUESTION THAT YOU MAKE IS :

What exactly brings about these statistics? What formula is used?

[Realeo]

If that's the case, it's not from a lack of trying. I was voting realeo, my top scum read, but that wasn't panning out so I jumped on the wagon of another scum read..

Yeah, except it wasn't me. It was dunnstral.

You jump out of me because Dunnstral was scummy.

You jump out of Dunnstral because he's not being voted.

You can't even get your chronology right.

[Realeo]

The idea that "I want more info so I'm pressure voting" without asking question just doesn't fly. You pressure people so you can ask them question. He's not asking question.

[Realeo]

If that's the case, it's not from a lack of trying. I was voting realeo, my top scum read,

but that wasn't panning out

so I jumped on the wagon of another scum read..

Also. This is a lie.

There were 3 votes on me.

Votecount 1.7

(3)

Realeo

- Flubbernugget, Javajoe24, Hellfire Missile

3 votes on me is not "wasn't panning out"

Yet you jump on Dunn.

So, I really don't like Dunns posts the past two pages, seems like a lot of fluff and filler without actual content.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Realeo]

^
Remember that the 3 votes on me are happening early D1 not late D1.

[Realeo]

If after this Dave still can't make a stand at javajoe, I swear to God I'm teleporting Dave to third world country

[Realeo]

Votecount 1.7

• (1)

  Theta Alpine
  - kmd4390
  
  (3)

  davesaz
  - Realeo, DeltaW, FireScreamer
  
  (1)

  Dunnstral
  - Gamma Emerald
  
  (0)
  Flubbernugget
  
  (3) Realeo
  - Flubbernugget, Javajoe24, Hellfire Missile[/color]
  
  (0)
  FireScreamer
  
  (1)

  shqf
  - Theta Alpine
  
  (1)

  DeltaW
  - davesaz
  
  (0)
  Hellfire Missile
  
  (1)

  kmd4390
  - shqf
  
  (0)
  Javajoe24
  
  (0)
  BTD6_maker
  
  (1)

  Gamma Emerald
  - Dunnstral
  
  
  (1)

  Not Voting -
  BTD6_maker
  
  With
  13
  alive, it's
  7
  to lynch.
  Deadline in
  (expired on 2017-05-21 09:00:00)
  (May 21^st).
  
  
  Mod Notes:
  Hellfire Missile is V/LA May 12-15.

THE WAGON AT ME IS THE BIGGEST WAGON (besides Dave)!

If that's the case, it's not from a lack of trying. I was voting realeo, my top scum read, but that

wasn't panning out

so I jumped on the wagon of another scum read..

HOW DOES THE BIGGEST WAGON IS "NOT PANNING OUT"

[Realeo]

(Note: I know that caps is not polite, but understand that I snipe javajoe from long time ago yet people ignore it. When finally you can put him back to the spot light after 15 pages <375 posts>, the only thing you want to do is scream. Please excuse me for a while.)

BURRRRRN THHIIIIIIIS WITTTTTTCH! LLLLYNCCCH THHHISSSS SCUMMMBAG!

[Realeo]

Well, replace out or at least officially call V/LA but when your V/LA is up, be active.

Guys, the lynch is already achieved.

Let's drink.

[Realeo]

So your plan was to completely waste Day 1 while you come up with one scum read and hope we'll all sheep it?

Ouch. That harsh.

But no.

I realized that it's possible for me to be analytical at HURT: plan but I thought "That's a long shot."

[Realeo]

VOTE: hellfire missile

Flashwagon this.

Now.

I would give him the benefit of doubt. Once he rectified that it's actually vote for javajoe, the reasoning below the vote matches javajoe a lot.

[Realeo]

The only thing I learn is that if javajoe flips werewolf, Theta is (unfortunately) town.

[Realeo]

As much as I would like to be a mastermind, I can't create analysis n when I don't know how to process those data.

That second voting board was way too many moving variable for me.

Pedit:

Think about this. If it's werewolf!java, then it's more likely to be opportunistic voting @ Theta instead of bussing. That means that mafia!theta.

I have explained to you, why mafia!Theta makes no senses.

[Realeo]

Hey java, why were you voting for Theta Alpine? I'm asking for the third time now

I wouldn't count on that. He mysteriously always ignore all question about all his read reasoning.

[Realeo]

Yeah, I also have problem with the NKA.

[Realeo]

No.

[Realeo]

That's just flat wrong. My probabilistic brain go bonkers.

[Realeo]

Unless you are speculating that mafia put their own name into the list, then that may fly.

[Realeo]

I will not rage in thread

I may also need to take this vouch.

[Realeo]

If we're going to play the NKA that dave decided to attempt, then I would like to ask:

"Why werewolf decided to kill?"

If there is an orange there, werewolf probably doesn't commit NK to keep WIFOM.

[Realeo]

SQHF, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

[Realeo]

VOTE: Firescreamer

[Realeo]

Ok. I realized that I'm in denial.

VOTE: Gamma

[Realeo]

Not, not that latin letter.

VOTE: Theta

[Realeo]

No it doesn't fits mafia!Theta, it fits werewolf! Theta

and are you buddying mee???

Pedit: Ok, that makes some senses and I kinda relate to that. It reminded my newbie game where the scum pulled the same trick.

[Realeo]

I am rereading Flubber's case @ HF and it

used

to make (somewhat) senses given that java flips town. He was not defending javajoe.

[Realeo]

After re-reading Dunnstral's iso, I'm open for Gamma lynch.

[Realeo]

Bins is scummy as fuck. I never know his scumread. All he did is posting vote count.

I'm somewhat convinced that kmd is town.

[Realeo]

Realeo occasionally tries to be funny.

[Realeo]

WTF
Have you gone insane Realeo

WTF

MOST GE'S D2 POST ARE FILLER?

Do you have nothing to say, GE?

[Realeo]

Like no read at all?

[Realeo]

SPIT IT OUT

[Realeo]

No. I mean, what changes with javajoe lynch. Medontwantreadlist.

[Realeo]

when called out on it his response was to cry and try to appease town.

So if it was a genuine accident, what should be the way HM do it in a non-appeasing way?

[Realeo]

I am rereading Flubber's case @ HF and it

used

to make (somewhat) senses given that java flips town. He was not defending javajoe.

How can it make sense only in the past in light of future events? That doesn't make sense to md

Yeah, I was drunk on linear algebra. Sorry.

[Realeo]

when called out on it his response was to cry and try to appease town.

So if it was a genuine accident, what should be the way HM do it in a non-appeasing way?

Make less of a fuss about it and better reevaluate reads

Wouldn't someone--

as a human being

--be panic when they make blantant accident and took so long to realize it?

On better re-evalute reads, that's a valid point, let's ask Hellfire Missile

@HellfireMissile:

With javajoe lynch flipping town, do you still townread me? <Expect follow up>

[Realeo]

Why would you rather coach hellfire than scum read them for the scum they are

Fun Fact : There is something called communication which is a two way street.

Try to utilize it!

[Realeo]

No but no one seemed to come to his defense

Realistically, do you expect anyone to defend a lurker--regardless of their alignment?

[Realeo]

Realeo is excited as sqhf is due for a replacement

[Realeo]

It's just I don't think I can scum rread someone unless I ask to see their perspective.

I mean, I asked plenty of question for javajoe, delta, theta, firescreamer, yada-yada.

If you think asking question is coaching, you would need to tune your parameter.

[Realeo]

Is it just me or from {HM,Dave,Delta} only Delta fos Theta?

[Realeo]

I mean, NK reasoning can be two things:

[ 1 ] They kill A because B and C is more lynchable.
[ 2 ] They kill A because A scumread them.

I don't think it's [ 1 ] because who seriously thought it's easier to mislynch dave than delta if scum!HM?

[Realeo]

but I don't get why they would when they submit three names and there are only two wolves.

It's the rule to submit 3 names.

[Realeo]

Wait. Delta never fos Theta.

He's quite under radar, it's probably [1].

===

Rereading Dave's scumread @ HM , I can see him being personal. However, that "conversation talk" that Dave mentions is under the assumption that HM is indeed werewolf to begin with. If it was 3 VT, then Dave being paranoid.

I think if Dave wants to see HM head hanging, he need to explain why he's scum

independent

of that NKA.

[Realeo]

We do have a clue from the the death list: At least one of the mafia goons is an active poster.

Hellfire Missile fucked up on the final 24 hours of D1 and goes under radar before it due to V/LA. The most probable interpretation is Hellfire Missile was under radar, not in the death list, then HellFireMissile fucked up and within 24 hours an active player updated the death list of mafia.

[Realeo]

davesaz votes deltaw 261
davesaz votes hellfire 794

davesaz has voted both of the other people who ended up on the list which i find worthy of discussion

No, it's not. Like, what is the implication of both of his read on the list?

[Realeo]

i have made the realization that in this game anti-town does not mean scum
and anti-scum does not mean town
which completely messes up my reads

so i am going to have to reread and figure out how i am going to read people in light of this

Oh by the way, I forgot to ask on a follow-up on this due to javajoe wejoe.

[Realeo]

Realeo, what in dunn's ISO makes you scum read gamma?

It's not "I scum read Gamma", it's more to "Hmm, good point."

So when Dunn said he's going to push Gamma my mind went "Hmm, what's his case?"

The vote post alone (the D1 vote) sends no obvious message but when I read his iso, it makes more senses. Bascially, it's an event of poorly-presented case which merits some grain of relevance but Gamma is an impulsive voter so bam!

I'm acutely aware that I'm prolly being buddied by Dunn, but I realized it's multiball and even if it's scum!Dunn, there is no harm for me to work together against the other second scum faction. I mean, what's preventing me from lynching Dunn after we eradicated the other scum faction.

[Realeo]

p-edit
what do you think i am doing right now
i am trying to figure out where to look and the night kill is the best place to start

If you're lying about your joining date, this is the right time to get your fact straight.

[Realeo]

what do you think i am doing right now
i am trying to figure out where to look and the night kill is the best place to start

You have no read independent of NKA?

[Realeo]

there are two questions for the night kill analysis if we really want to go down that road

This feels not genuine when you say.

what do you think i am doing right now
i am trying to figure out where to look and the night kill is the best place to start

Like at one post you acknowledge that NKA is not optimal ("If we really want to") but now you're championing it.

[Realeo]

Does explaining in detail help mafia with their list selection strategy?
I'd prefer to hold off unless people start derping.

In a nutshell though, I know I'm town, and it's very likely that some kind of scum is in the list. Therefore the scum in the list has to be Hellfire.

*sigh*

If both you and Delta is town, the chance Hellfire Missile is town is 66%.

[Realeo]

Isn't BTD is also due for a prod?

[Realeo]

If both you and Delta is town, the chance Hellfire Missile is town is 66%.

Let me elaborate this.

Let us assume that maximum : at maximum, would put 1 maximum in the deathlist. It can be 0 or it can be 1.

So DeltaW is town. Dave for our calculation is town. What is the chance that HellfireMissile is town?

Hellfire can be either of the 6 VT, 1 mafia, or 2 werewolf.

So that's 6 / (6+1+2) = 6/ 9 = 66%

So please drop that "he ought to be scum," thank you.

[Realeo]

Well, Realeo, But he can be the 34%!

Ok, let's do more math.

What is the chance me is town?

Since we're doing town!Dave, then there's at least 1 werewolf outside the death list and 2 mafia outside of the death list.

So Realeo can be either of the 6 VT, 2 mafia or 3 werewolf.

So that's 6 / (6+2+3) = 6/11 = 54.5%

I'm less likely to be town than Hellfire! Start voting me dave! Mathly, I'm scummy! I'm willing to be the sacrificial lamb of your math-sturbation (sarcmark)

[Realeo]

I'm not seeing how the deathlist relates to your percentage calculation

The entire argument of Dave is "There must be at least 1 scum, it's not me, so HM" so I debunked that with math.

[Realeo]

I'm still here to win 100% of the games I play and if you are too you'll look at reads over probabilities

Exactly the point! Which is why I dissed Dave for that probabilistic scumreading!

[Realeo]

I'm not quite sure what is Dunn v Gamma D2 banter is all about. I thought it was me being stupid. I was wrong. I still don't understand.

[Realeo]

Also, Flubber
You're that convinced that since i screwed up on a vote, and didn't see it until days later
That i'm scum? Because of that one thing?
Even though the reasons had nothing to do with Realeo?
Even though I explained why?
You think this is a scumfail?

YO, HM, my questions.

[Realeo]

I'm not seeing how the deathlist relates to your percentage calculation

The entire argument of Dave is "There must be at least 1 scum, it's not me, so HM" so I debunked that with math.

Do you think hellfire is town?

Before HM wall of post below your question, null.

After HM wall of post below your question, between scum null and null.

[Realeo]

@HellfireMissile: With javajoe lynch flipping town, do you still townread me?

[Realeo]

<Insert long speculation>

The hurt plan was fine if we needed a compromise. I didn't like the way he used it as a trap. We had a perfectly good lead wagon on theta and mislynched java instead.

Friendly reminder that your logic only applies in solid ball.

Unless you're speculating that Theta is my scum partner.

[Realeo]

Realeo, my expectation that there is some kind of scum on the kill list is behavioral, not math.
This is coming from someone with a very deep background in game theory who observed mafia's every move the only other time the setup has been played.
They played the other 2 factions like an orchestra btw. Though wolves were at a disadvantage after losing one to a d1 lynch.

If you understand game theory, then you should understand logical statement.

If mafia put werewolf in death list, they would commit wifom.

As you know, a logical statement consists of premise and conclusion which in this case.

Premise : If mafia put werewolf
Conclusion: They would commit wifom

You explained to me in great detail what is the conclusion, thank you!

(Personally, I'm persuaded. However, as you would see on the post below--it's not enough for a vote.)

But you also need to give me evidence of the premise

because a statement is only true when BOTH premise and conclusion if proven.

The problem with "mafia putting werewolf" is MAFIA DOESN'T KNOW WHO IS WEREWOLF*** so you need to explain to me why mafia put ww!HM and the only way to do that is by explaining why mafia scumread them thus they put them in the death list. Which is why I asked you to give case independent of scumread.

My probabilistic analysis is done to explain to you that premise is not a trivial proof.

***Another alternative is mafia putting mafia!HM as gambit, but you still need to explain to me why HM is scum.

[Realeo]

I'll look at a next vote count and if theta has more traction than hellfire I'm probably moving there

Wait for me, please. I'm not finished with hellfire. He haven't answer my question.

[Realeo]

So why do you exactly scumread me in D1 to begin with?

[Realeo]

I mean

Why you unvote?

When GE says "It's misrep," I go reread the thread. 99 and 100 makes senses from GE's perspective.

I'm not seeing how a "ReadingCompError" and a "I feel that Theta is townie" would shift anything
other than maybe the fact that y'all both share the same read on Theta or is it because of this:

I feel it's a form of misrep.

I'd like to say that Realeo is scum but i'm not 100% sure

it might just be me being shit at the game but
Realeo just feels

off

Maybe it's the fact that like the first 3/5s of his posts (mostly at the start, is this just shitposting?) were hot air, something about java and coding
Maybe that he feels something is off about Flubber yet doesn't vote him?
Maybe that (IMHO) he switched off of Gamma too fast (i don't know about this it just felt too quick)
VOTE: Realeo[

You didn't like me tunneling Flubber or Gamma, so you're supposed to not like me tunneling both Dave and javajoe.

At best I should be scum but different faction from javajoe from your calculation, right?

[Realeo]

I don't think we ever got that Dunnstral scum explanation.

D1 explanation was in iso...spreaded to series of posts until it builds up to his out-of-place vote.

D2 explanation was...I don't know. I'm not quite sure.

[Realeo]

Explain fake. Adjective dazzles me.

[Realeo]

Why try to answer gamma question but not the one I asked you?

I don't have strong opinion yet.

[Realeo]

Fake = made for the purpose of towncred

Which part is towncreding? Like, that's towncreding? If that's towncreding, Gamma would lynch me every single time.

[Realeo]

I'm not sure why is that towncreding.

So Theta Alpine, can you answer questions that is not setup-contingent? Like, what are your position @ GE?

[Realeo]

Theta, his question implied he doesn't know if scum had daychat meaning he must be town. It's either genuine (town) or faked.

I had different interpretation. We have to wait for him, then.

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i seriously need content from hiraki and btd6 to be able to actually sort the game though

Oh please, sqihf make zero content and you're able to sort java.

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i seriously need content from hiraki and btd6 to be able to actually sort the game though

If you need content, why are you not asking question?

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I don't understand Hiraki's fos at me.

Like, the conclusion of that fos was not meisscum, it was meistupid.

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I can't tell if Gamma's vote is genuine vote or pressure vote.

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Does fillering a legitimate lynching reason jargon in mafiascum.net? It is in EM.

Can I have second opinion on Theta if he is fillering or is it just me tunneling?

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Wolves can kill maf but no the other way around.

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HELLFIRE MISSILE. YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

VOTE: Hell