Night and Day Mafia (Game Over)

[Titus]

I think it'd be a lot more interesting trying to figure out Titus or you or even Mathblade. I feel like I might be having nonsensical conversations, at least for now.

I am. But no one gets my jokes.

[Titus]

1. I'm getting drunk tonight.
2. Yes but people get pissed when excluded. Expect drama because people want to lynch in townblock.
3. Vca, stubbornness, protection, no tolerance for bullshit
5. Red
6.light
7. Oh fuck it this is stupid

[Titus]

Titus, how goes your sorting?

You and Aronis are town. Unfortunately, the department of give a crap seems to have lost its arbitrary paperwork division.

[Titus]

Titus, how goes your sorting?

You and Aronis are town. Unfortunately, the department of give a crap seems to have lost its arbitrary paperwork division.

What about the Light PT? That's the one I'm most interested in. Starting to get some resistance in the Dark PT. We'll see how that plays out in the long run.

We've attempted ice breakers but they've mostly bombed.

[Titus]

VOTE: Rauthedir

Say hi to mama bear.

[Titus]

VOTE: Rauthedir

Say hi to mama bear.

Wrong person, Titus!

Why?

[Titus]

VOTE: Rauthedir

Say hi to mama bear.

Wrong person, Titus!

Why?

Because Aronis is the way to go.

Why?

[Titus]

I give up. Call me when we're playing mafia.

[Titus]

I give up. Call me when we're playing mafia.

What's up, Titus?
Don't like us lynching your buddy?

I don't like a large wagon devoid of reason and being told what to do.

[Titus]

I like large wagons on Scum.
It makes their buddies panic!

Prove he's scum. I just see a few random names I have zero interaction with hopping on a wagon. Yet, if I am not allowed to sort people, let me know.

[Titus]

Hey, sort away!

You can help by telling me why Aronis is wagoned or why you think Mr R is town.

[Titus]

Rauth could still be scum bussing and expecting the wagon to die.
Not only did Aronis post in red (obviously on the mind due to seeing red on their role pm) but also called the other Scum read town and tried to say that my reads won't be worth reading just because I voiced my opinion on the opening post.

Easy game, easy money.

This is all in the dark pt. And the entire dark pt elected to wagon him?

[Titus]

And what has Rauth posted in your hood? Why is he/she/they/it not postinh here?

[Titus]

Is hell freezing over?

[Titus]

y?

You're sheeping me. Never thought I'd see that.

[Titus]

Sorry, I haven't been able to really get on yet today. As for why I'm not posting in the dark thread, it's because reasons.

And as for why your only post here is a bandwagon vote and this one?

[Titus]

y?

You're sheeping me. Never thought I'd see that.

You voted before me, but I didn't sheep you. My reasons are far darker.

Go on.

[Titus]

Okay

for real tho

I can understand the ability to town read Aronis

however

a scumread on CE

I'm wondering where that came from

it's the overreact to a single post in our PT thing again

So you don't SR the major wagon counter to yours? You don't interact with the lurker on your wagon who is opportunistic as fuck (Rautherdir), and sitting on a vanity wagon on a guy who really wants you dead, and having zero desire to sort blatant bullying. That's just what I can see.

Why should I not SR you?

[Titus]

@Eddie, why shouldn't we lynch you for saying the word traitor?

[Titus]

*bullying = buddying my bad

[Titus]

@Eddie, why shouldn't we lynch you for saying the word traitor?

Why is the word traitor a bad thing to you?

Town has no logical reason to consider one and sparking said conversation can easily be a crumb.

So again, why shouldn't we lynch you for it?

[Titus]

You don't interact with the lurker on your wagon who is opportunistic as fuck (Rautherdir),

Did you see my vote?

Yes. You voted Aronis. I am not sure what you are getting at?

[Titus]

You don't interact with the lurker on your wagon who is opportunistic as fuck (Rautherdir),

Did you see my vote?

Yes. You voted Aronis. I am not sure what you are getting at?

I mean, a name drop would have been nice

You're talking about Rauth or something and I dropped an L-3 naked vote first post of the game and then left lmfao

Your naked vote wasn't on the most popular wagon and you explained it by the time I woke up.

[Titus]

Okay

for real tho

I can understand the ability to town read Aronis

however

a scumread on CE

I'm wondering where that came from

[Titus]

You don't interact with the lurker on your wagon who is opportunistic as fuck (Rautherdir),

Did you see my vote?

Yes. You voted Aronis. I am not sure what you are getting at?

I mean, a name drop would have been nice

You're talking about Rauth or something and I dropped an L-3 naked vote first post of the game and then left lmfao

Some boat here. Neither we nor Gin explained our votes. So what makes Rautherdir's vote any more suspect than either of ours, Titus?

What's this whole 79 CE thing about? Just because of those couple posts in the Dark chat?

-Kelvin

Rautherdir doing jack shit.

[Titus]

Ok, everyone's in a deliberately be annoying mood. Later.

[Titus]

Great. When I see the opportunity to dort you, I'll take it. Until then, I am going to focus on things I find scummy rather than trying to guess what questions I should be asking you according to you. I question scummy things.

[Titus]

So none of what I did was scummy

why is that?

That's like explaining why air is invisible. If there's nothing scummy, nothing needs to be said. There's nothing to pressure you on. There's no unexplained wagon on you. It's just air. Nothing. This is a waste of time.

[Titus]

So naked voting with no reasoning to put someone at L-3 and never giving a reason or a read on Aronis, to you, is not scummy at all?

I just quoted where you did.

Your vote isn't scummy. Your push on me is townie but horribly proud stubborn and misguided. I am not going to say your vote is scummy because you're trying to get me to say it is.

Rauthdir actually has been trying to slither away. He is who I am concerned with.

You can repeat the same thing, you'll get the same answer with increasing levels of annoyance.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have actual scumreads to sort.

[Titus]

Why are you getting annoyed so quickly?

Because you're getting in the way and I don't scumread you. Again, seriously, why wouldn't I be annoyed at a pointless question that does nothing but needle me while my scumreads lurk, hide in pts saying bullshit about you, or generally drop the thread full of nonsense? Why wouldn't I be annoyed, when I specificly told you I am annoyed?

Gee who would think that getting pestered by a townread who is floating the thread full of nonsense is annoying and now it looks like I am undercutting my townread when it's not my intent.

[Titus]

what if


what you're calling as nonsense

is me sorting you

._.

Dude, you should already know I am town. Everyone should. Second, asking pointless philosphical questions sorts no one.

I answered my read on you, the more you annoy me, the more confident I am you are town. Philosphical questions are not the way to sort me. Actually having an honest discussion about reads is.

You know, it would also be great if we could drop the whole "soul read" nonsense. There's tone reading, which is fine. Gut reading, which isn't.

So when you want to actually do that, I am here.

[Titus]

If you're going to act like a parent at least keep the scolding to the PT lol

Tvt grandstanding tbh.

Why would Math feel you're town enough to intercede while whining you have no reads?

[Titus]

Ugh, now I wish I hadn't said it because Math will start whining about personal drama although they've been obvfishy since go.

[Titus]

P.S. i am at Aronis, Mathblade, Rauthdir and one more as scum. Probably light person.

[Titus]

Ok, that's ok Math. I already got what I need from you, unless you're willing to secretly tell me who scum are.

[Titus]

I was going to move to Titus, but CE just confirmed they are scum by throwing up their hands and shouting, "You got me copper!". Not moving from that spot.

Go ahead and vote me because that's not what CE did.

Second, Rauthdir is the one that actually scumclaimed and you're ignoring him why? Math has been a buddy central and you ignore them? Your butt has firmly gone into tunnel mode while trying to offer me as a backup. I thought your early paranoia of me was town but your recent move has me doubting it.

The more people post "you should just

know

that I'm town" the more I dislike the playerslot.

This kind of rhetoric is silly. If you really expect people to have a confident town read of you less than thirteen pages into a game (if we remove mastina's posts, this thread is probably only at 10, moderator influencing game thread length, tyranny), you are you silly.

While I do believe that confident posting is good, the high level of "I'm right and you should just

get it

" is irritating and needs to stop. If you want to convince me of something, you're going to have to actually provide reasons rather than try to berate me into thinking you're right because the sky is blue, you had a banana for breakfast, and your dog didn't shit on the floor today. Your good mood or overwhelming magical self-confidence and competence is not a reason that I will accept.

Great, I wasn't convincing you.


@Kelvin, Why did you abandon the Aronis wagon with such hostility when you barely got on at the end? Also, I am referring to anyone in the hydra.

In fact, that's so sketchy I will....

VOTE: Aronis

[Titus]

It's not hostility. I'm not feeling hostile toward the wagon. I am feeling hostile toward any personality that angles towards "I'm right and me saying that I'm right should mean you believe me" - the only person who hasn't done that to an annoying amount that is pushing a wagon is bulbazak. He's being voted by someone who's blatantly voting him for the sake of doing the "hahaha, but I'm going to vote you! The tables have turned!" - nancy's posting so far feels like scum caught for the wrong reasons.

As for the vote on the Aronis wagon, I disagreed with it but let Kelvin make the executive decision because we didn't have anyone that I felt was more vote-worthy. He said it'd be good to get some pressure out of the wagon and our vote, so the vote went on, pressure stuff and reactions happened, blah, blah.

Now I do.

And it just happens to be the Aronis counter while you take potshots at everyone voting it and try to devolve the game into insults and cockstrutting? Guess what, everyone here has been wrong. That's not going to change expectations.

[Titus]

Well now I feel better about my vote.

Posting to express that I am in support of Dram's vote although I think that my current one is better.

Why? Why don't you mention the name of the guy he's voting for?

[Titus]

Ok great.

I am checking out for awhile.

Ari, Kelvin hydra, Math, Rauthdir. That's got high value of containing lots if not all scums.

[Titus]

VOTE: Aronis

Ari, Kelvin hydra, Math, Rauthdir. That's got high value of containing lots if not all scums.

Ari means Aronis here. Given Gin here, should clarify.

[Titus]

I wasn't awake enough when I was around to talk much, but I'd like to clarify the wagon on aronis:

It is because he "scumslipped" by posting in red in the dark neighborhood, yes?

Because it'd be the last color he'd seen.

This doesn't really work given that the mod has explicitly stated that all of the scum have been given safeclaims.

The mafia, however, have received full safeclaims which hold the exact format of actual town role PMs.

If you want to read it yourself and are too lazy to click back to page one, here you go.

Without knowing the exact format of the role pms, there's literally no way for us to know what the "last color" aronis would've seen is. This whole tell was ridiculous to begin with, but even moreso given the above information that

everybody who read the damn rules would know

. Fuck's sake.

If I were to extend this logic further, I could say some bullshit about this meaning vedith knows the makeup of the role pms to know what the last color would be, but that's nonsense. Just like the wagon on aronis, if it is meant to be a to-lynch wagon, is nonsense. I appreciate the value of it as a pressure wagon, but can we move on to wagons with actual merit now?

79 CE's playerslot is actually scummy.

Holy shit this is town

Holy shit it is not and this reaction could use explaination. It's a last ditch attempt to tear down the Aronis wagon and if these concerns were true, genuine and as serious as they claim, they were true at the time of the hydra casting its vote. Which means the hydra never should have cast it.

[Titus]

I don't expect that complex of an argument out of the gate from mafia

Someone does not become smarter or dumber based on a role pm.

[Titus]

Did he? The most he did in the thread was a sudden naked vote on the leading Aronis wagon. If you think that's scummy, which your vote tells me you do, then you should be having problems with the Aronis wagon in general, which you aren't. Rauth has been far scummier in the neighborhood, and I would be fine with stringing him up today, but otherwise, I have bigger fish to fry.

Yes he did.

I also did have initial problems with the Aronis wagon. The Aronis wagon was explained and there's sketch details about how my other three scumreads are interacting with it.

Math hasn't been buddying whatsoever. If anyone's buddying, it's you, with your blatant townread of me and Gin when we were making the most waves, all while matching our reads. It kinda sucks that you had to switch from a hard Aronis townread to a hard Aronis scumread because of that, huh?

Really, Mathblade is royalty of hating townblocks and immediately fills out a dumb townblock application. Mathblade interrupts Ginnie sorting me as T v T but thinks Ginnie has no reads whatsoever. I think you and Ginnie are town, but that's not because of "making waves". That's because I detect no ulterior motives in your posts, well unless you count pride as one.

[Titus]

Besides thinking it, can you elaborate on why I'm town, and not because I annoy you, that's not a true reason

Yeah, see the arrogance here where you deign to tell me what is a true reason. It's the same one in the mini normal we played, also hosted by mastina. Your arrogance annoys me.

You haven't been able to have scumhunting and your sheer amount of confidence very well. Could you? Sure, it's possible, but it isn't likely.

[Titus]

Early day wagon, GO!
VOTE: Aronis

Sorry, I haven't been able to really get on yet today. As for why I'm not posting in the dark thread, it's because reasons.

This is the scumclaim. I am not posting in dark thread, I am not posting on main thread, but let me sneak onto this wagon here.

I've caught people slipping by post 18 bulba and the reactions around it are so sketchy, it's already given me the confidence to call the entire scumteam. Sure 1 might be wrong, but that's a town driven wagon. You wanting to vig Vedith is terrible. I would die for Vedith and dramonic right now.

I don't mind players coming at me. You also misconstrued what happened. Ginnie was sorting me. Math said Gin and I were t v t, and interrupted Ginnie's process. That's the problem.

Lastly, Math hates townblocks to their core. Math even tolerating Aronis's posting is almost a scumclaim by itself.

[Titus]

Early day wagon, GO!
VOTE: Aronis

Sorry, I haven't been able to really get on yet today. As for why I'm not posting in the dark thread, it's because reasons.

This is the scumclaim. I am not posting in dark thread, I am not posting on main thread, but let me sneak onto this wagon here.

I've caught people slipping by post 18 bulba and the reactions around it are so sketchy, it's already given me the confidence to call the entire scumteam. Sure 1 might be wrong, but that's a town driven wagon. You wanting to vig Vedith is terrible. I would die for Vedith and dramonic right now.

I don't mind players coming at me. You also misconstrued what happened. Ginnie was sorting me. Math said Gin and I were t v t, and interrupted Ginnie's process. That's the problem.

Lastly, Math hates townblocks to their core. Math even tolerating Aronis's posting is almost a scumclaim by itself.

Does he usually get in them? If not maybe he's just relishing gettin in for once.

No. They do not. Relishing getting in one is very different from applying to be in one. Math never seeks to be in a townblock. Take Civ, there was an organic townblock they called the scumteam repeatedly.

[Titus]

The more people post "you should just

know

that I'm town" the more I dislike the playerslot.

This kind of rhetoric is silly. If you really expect people to have a confident town read of you less than thirteen pages into a game (if we remove mastina's posts, this thread is probably only at 10, moderator influencing game thread length, tyranny), you are you silly.

While I do believe that confident posting is good, the high level of "I'm right and you should just

get it

" is irritating and needs to stop. If you want to convince me of something, you're going to have to actually provide reasons rather than try to berate me into thinking you're right because the sky is blue, you had a banana for breakfast, and your dog didn't shit on the floor today. Your good mood or overwhelming magical self-confidence and competence is not a reason that I will accept.

I absolutely agree with this post, but hey, it's mafia; that's what people do.


I still think CE 79 is a good lynch, but Titus, I appreciate your 374 and can see your point, but I see town jump on what they see as an rvs wagon all the time for no reason at all and just because it's there.

Thanks for what it's worth. I do feel awkward that I'm voting with the guy who scumclaimed but if it's the largest wagon I like and he's bussing, I'll help him bus.

[Titus]

Plz stop hating on Mathblade, titus. tia

Why should I not think you are scumpartners when Mathblade is acting in a manner that's irregular for them? Why are you trying to dress up my scumread as a personal rivalry without addressing the substance of what I saw?

[Titus]

Plz stop hating on Mathblade, titus. tia

Why should I not think you are scumpartners when Mathblade is acting in a manner that's irregular for them? Why are you trying to dress up my scumread as a personal rivalry without addressing the substance of what I saw?

cause I was in Mini Normal 1900 where there was 200 pages of a personal rivalry

Did I ever argue Math was scummy though? We did have our rivalry, and that's because I couldn't stop Math from tunneling on town. The accuracy of my read depends not on my ability to get Math to do protown things, but on the soundness of my logic.

Why do you have a distinct lack of paranoia?

[Titus]

Math, your Rauth read? How are chats with him in the PT going?

[Titus]

Still pretty confident in my answer. 79 ce is awkward and most likely a scum driven counter to Aronis.

[Titus]

I'm still having trouble seeing how you could think Aronis could be scum, yet think Rauth is scum for jumping on Aronis.

Bus vote.

[Titus]

If the pt was widely agreeing Aronis would be lynched, lurker scum would want to bus.

[Titus]

I'm still having trouble seeing how you could think Aronis could be scum, yet think Rauth is scum for jumping on Aronis.

Bus vote.

That's a stretch even for you.

If the pt was widely agreeing Aronis would be lynched, lurker scum would want to bus.

The PT wasn't. Vedith was the only one wanting Aronis lynched. Everyone else was either against it or focused on other issues.

So the dark pt almost completely voted but there was no consensus there?

[Titus]

Do you really expect me to care about the rest of the dark PT?

I said almost...

[Titus]

Rauth would have only seen one pro-Aronis wagon voice in the PT.

This is why scum bus.

You've used a lot of words.

I also will vote whichever of my scumreads has the most votes to test my theory of what I think the answer is. If I am wrong, I reasses and find a new one that explains the behavior.

Is there some reason you seem to be scared of my vote on Aronis?

[Titus]

No. I voted Aronis on the way down, not when he looked like he would go through.

Also, saying my words and actions don't mesh is absurd. I explained them bulba.

I think the vote on Aronis by Rauth was a scummy bus. (Although when I voted Rauth I didn't have an Aronis read).

I also have detailed why I suspect Aronis. The complete and utter lack of paranoia.

[Titus]

OBJECTION YOUR HONOUR!


Okay so you're saying Rauth bussed

but that's a pre-flip

and those are shit

soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I am drawing the conclusion Rauth bussed because I have independent scumreads on both Rauth and Aronis.

I am not using preflip associations to link them.

[Titus]

I think the vote on Aronis by Rauth was a scummy bus. (Although when I voted Rauth I didn't have an Aronis read).

Wait

so you're saying Rauth as scum, voted their scumbud, but you didn't have a read on Aronis to think Aronis was a bus vote.


Basically that's like going 2+?=4

Rauth cast scummy vote, suggesting he is scum.= 3.
Aronis lack of paranoia suggests he is scum = 2.
Game is confirmed not multiball = 1

3+2+1 = 6

Rauth bussed = 6

[Titus]

That's...a really dumb tell. I don't see Aronis as a paranoid player.

Agree to disagree. When someone violates their norms to buddy someone else, the person being buddied should be paranoid.

[Titus]

When someone violates their norms to buddy someone else, the person being buddied should be paranoid.

Who violated their norms?

Math. They detest townblocks.

[Titus]

I am drawing the conclusion Rauth bussed because I have independent scumreads on both Rauth and Aronis.

I think the vote on Aronis by Rauth was a scummy bus. (Although when I voted Rauth I didn't have an Aronis read).

In these two statements, it says two things
That Titus voted Rauth
the reason

Spoiler: Rauth was bussing Aronis

I think the vote on Aronis by Rauth was a scummy bus.

Spoiler: She says she delcares it was a bus vote because of two independent scum reads

I am drawing the conclusion Rauth bussed because I have independent scumreads on both Rauth and Aronis.

However

Spoiler: Titus stated that she didn't have an Aronis read at the time she voted Rauth

(Although when I voted Rauth I didn't have an Aronis read).

In conclusion if this isn't clear, Titus

HAD

to have Aronis as a scum read for her progression to line up, however

SHE DID NOT

have a read on Aronis at the time of the vote.

So, Titus' read progression is

faked

.

This was explained in my addition post.

Rauth scumclaimed.
I developed an Aronis read.
Therefore, Rauth bussed.

Not an associative read.

You're welcome to try and mislynch me though.

I am getting sleep.

[Titus]

@Aronis, yeah I get it you're sassing me because you're not the lead wagon. It's funny. Still doesn't change what should be happening and your math read is fake.

[Titus]

*shrug*

Town again not liking to admit scum are obvious and lynching the awkward guy again.

79 CE will likely flip town.

I still would die for Dram

[Titus]

I am just facepalming over here.

Rauth scumclaims again slipping he knows Eddie is not scum.

[Titus]

In fact

VOTE: Rauth

Fuck working with people, this dies.

[Titus]

... That's not what I was saying Titus.

It is by implication.

Why would you suggest quicklynching someone who shot scum? To make that suggestion, you must know Eddie is town.

[Titus]

Town in the dark do not know what their role is, Scum do.

Ahh I see. I forgot. That was not a scumclaim.

@Gamma, Aronis is just scum.

VOTE: Aronis

[Titus]

No.

Like I'll reread this section but no bulba.

[Titus]

Rauth genuinely believes he caught Vedith in a scumslip. This isn't a case of Rauth-scum pushing a slip up for a mislynch. You can tell that Rauth

believes

what he's saying, which would be impossible if he were scum. I mean, he's completely wrong, but that doesn't diminish the sincerity of his push.

I don't see any sincerity, but each their own.

If Rauth was town, he'd engage beyond scumslip.

[Titus]

Do you have experience with Rauth-town?

No but meta suckd. First game with him as far as I recall.

[Titus]

Do you have anything that'd make you believe that he'd engage beyond that as town? Because I don't.

Every town should

[Titus]

Should. Doesn't mean they will. Nothing I've seen from Rauth points that he'd do so as town. How he just engaged with Vedith was my first sign period that he might be town. I'll take what I can get.

This is just making excuses. Unless evidence to the contrary, town should engage and scumhunt, not just push slips. If Rauth does, I am open to reconsidering.

[Titus]

Why would you reconsider if Rauth slipped?

I was proven wrong on Rauth slipping.

[Titus]

From here on out I'm going to vote with Titus regardless where she votes
So Titus, you are effectively a double voter now.

VOTE: Aronis

I feel like you hate me for some reason I dunno about, cause you're like hellbent on lynching me despite having zero good reasons

You seem like a decent enough person, but my vote belongs to Titus.
If she votes me I'll even vote there.

You feel this strong even after our mini theme?

[Titus]

From here on out I'm going to vote with Titus regardless where she votes
So Titus, you are effectively a double voter now.

VOTE: Aronis

I feel like you hate me for some reason I dunno about, cause you're like hellbent on lynching me despite having zero good reasons

You seem like a decent enough person, but my vote belongs to Titus.
If she votes me I'll even vote there.

You feel this strong even after our mini theme?

Cite your sources please. Context is important.

I can't say why because reasons but I scumread nancy.

The one where we were scumbuddies.

[Titus]

Should. Doesn't mean they will. Nothing I've seen from Rauth points that he'd do so as town. How he just engaged with Vedith was my first sign period that he might be town. I'll take what I can get.

This is just making excuses. Unless evidence to the contrary, town should engage and scumhunt, not just push slips. If Rauth does, I am open to reconsidering.

Why would you reconsider if Rauth slipped?

I was proven wrong on Rauth slipping.

Where did Rauth prove you wrong in these two posts?

Or did you engineer a slip to have something to push since you hate RVS?

What is your read on nancy?

Uhhh, he didn't.

I thought Rauth slipped he knew Eddie was town and what he said was not a slip at all.

I also think Rauth pushing only fake slips of others is scummy.

I have a theory I want to test.

You, Rauthdir, Aronis and Kelvin hydra. Barring an amazing revelation, I'll be voting the one with the most votes.

[Titus]

From here on out I'm going to vote with Titus regardless where she votes
So Titus, you are effectively a double voter now.

VOTE: Aronis

I feel like you hate me for some reason I dunno about, cause you're like hellbent on lynching me despite having zero good reasons

You seem like a decent enough person, but my vote belongs to Titus.
If she votes me I'll even vote there.

You feel this strong even after our mini theme?

Cite your sources please. Context is important.

I can't say why because reasons but I scumread nancy.

The one where we were scumbuddies.

This refers to GIFpick right?

Yes.

[Titus]

aight
So what are you drawing from that game?

Just was surprised why Vedith would TR me so hard when I had just burned him. I don't think he's scum because I have my theory but it was weird and I can't deny that.

[Titus]

@Gamma/Bulba, It's hardly going through the motions. To me, I have already caught the scums and I am in verification mode.

I just don't feel like yelling.

[Titus]

Oh, hi Titus!

Okay, sleepy times!

<3

In thread masons?

[Titus]

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Let's take selfies.

[Titus]

Thank you.

I wasn't totally shitposting though. I was going more for you're town, I'm town, humor to diffuse tension. :-p

[Titus]

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Don't copy me, gives me bad vibes

Said it better than I ever could.

I scumread you as I said in the hood and still do.

You and nancy are likely trying to create discussion around me and bring nancy into it and avoid lynching her. By buddying Titus you can achieve that end.

I'm trying to not lynch nancy?

Saying eww to me also isn't buddying.

[Titus]

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Don't copy me, gives me bad vibes

Said it better than I ever could.

I scumread you as I said in the hood and still do.

You and nancy are likely trying to create discussion around me and bring nancy into it and avoid lynching her. By buddying Titus you can achieve that end.

I'm trying to not lynch nancy?

That isn't what I said. I said you and nancy are trying to talk about me because Titus scumreads me every fucking game. It is a way to distract the lynch off of nancy.

Honey where is my vote

Honey, where should your vote be?

[Titus]

@Kelvin,

To me, Aronis being scum is more about the lack of paranoia. I admit I am testing my theories right now. Think more scientific process.

Observe
Hypothesis
Test

[Titus]

Math, why are you asking for help from someone you view as scum.

[Titus]

The whole spate of recent posts from 79CE has not done much to convince me that they are not scum.

Why not? They are almost certainly town.

[Titus]

Rautherdir - 1 (dramonic)
Mathblade - 1 (79 CE)
Vedith - 1 (Rautherdir)

Not Voting - 3 (Aelita, FourTrouble, Bulbazak)

If you're on this list, the game is stalling because of you. The game has decided that either 79 CE or Aronis needs lynching. Please pick one.

[Titus]

Great, the latest vc wasn't updated. Conversation is dead. We need a flip. No rule says use the time.

[Titus]

OMG IT'S AN ALISAE!

[Titus]

Hey, Aronis, Rauthdir, Math, and Kelvin team is a theory I want to test but I am feeling better about Kelvin after his recent posts. We might be looking at 3 dark scum. Dunno.

[Titus]

Guys we have a problem

I haven't shot anyone?

Bang.

Dayvig: Aronis

[Titus]

The problem is Quantum won't let me buddy him to LyLo

Well, then you'll just have to reach him with your secret towniness trump card.

Or I can get my magic deck of win out?

[Titus]

Hmph, seems like its only my town block sitting on scum.

[Titus]

Titus what's your Texcat read?

Town by PoE.

[Titus]

Aronis Math and Rauthdir might as well hang neon signs saying partners. I want to say kelvin is the last, but the last might be Bulbazak.

[Titus]

Titus...
I should remind you that I just replaced in and it would be great if you could tell me how you got that conclusion.

Look at Math's ISO on Aronis. Just control F. Math and Aronis are far too close. Especially with Math indulging townblocks thry hate.
Rauthdir hasn't done any scumhunting, just looking fake things he can push. His inital vote was bussing. I laid out how I reached that later.
Kelvin seems to be on the wrong side of everything and Bulba seems desperate to discredit me.

[Titus]

Hey Alisae, how about the post right above you where Aronis implies I townread him?

[Titus]

Titus out of your scumreads I'd just Bulb just by attempting to find scum within your reads.
Like RC said awhile back and somewhere, you tend to find scum in what you don't want to push and from what you can be persuaded away from pushing.

Look, I am at theory test mode time. I'd vote any of my 5. Nowhere else. I'm voting biggest wagon of them.

[Titus]

Titus out of your scumreads I'd just Bulb just by attempting to find scum within your reads.
Like RC said awhile back and somewhere, you tend to find scum in what you don't want to push and from what you can be persuaded away from pushing.

Look, I am at theory test mode time. I'd vote any of my 5. Nowhere else. I'm voting biggest wagon of them.

...This is literally the same shit you yell at me for

No. You dictate the lynch must be in there. Everyone else is free to pursue their own thing.

Yet, this is the towniest post you've made.

[Titus]

Okay Titus. I skimmed your ISO (not well enough to attempt to really develope a read).
I see what you are saying about Aronis and Math.
I kinda disagree though. I recently played against Math in GiF's Mountainous Nightless Flipless game and MathBlade was all for townblocs there so...

O.o...link?

[Titus]

viewtopic.php?p=9232440&user_select%5B% ... 6#p9232440
MathBlade spent a lot of work in that game trying to determine a townbloc.

I'll review this tomorrow.

[Titus]

nothing to comment on for the rest.
i am officially caught up.

reviewing my notes and from just reading, i ended up with a really spicy top scumead.
VOTE: titus
i'll explain when it's not 1 am and build an actual case, but i'm leaving it there for now

Ok.

[Titus]

Hey, Titus, can we vote Texcat instead?

You can. I'm not interested.

[Titus]

I literally just had a really good pbpa and phpbb deleted it aaaaaargh

Sign from God.

[Titus]

I literally just had a really good pbpa and phpbb deleted it aaaaaargh

Sign from God.

lol no

What is pbpa?

post by post analysis
basically I go down titus's ISO, pick out some posts I scumread, and use it to build a wall

That can be done for anyone with content. Post by post analysis includes looking at the good with the bad.

[Titus]

Qr my activity is not ai. I engage if time. Bay area emergency. Haven't started game Alisae recommended

[Titus]

Deathtunnel, without reasons, fml.

[Titus]

Rauthdir is trying to shut down communication. Sometimes roles should crumb d1. Weak roles, bodyguards are two that come to mind.

I'll just wait here for people to catch up and respond to anything people care about in QR's case on me.

P.S. I do hate RVS. Pretty well documented QR. Day 1 is a crap shoot. Find theory. Test theory.

[Titus]

@Bulbazak, I did try to convince people and defend my theory. The game died while I was doing so.

@QR, I said Rauth was trying to shut down all softing, which is overly broad.

[Titus]

@Bulbazak, I did try to convince people and defend my theory. The game died while I was doing so.

@QR, I said Rauth was trying to shut down all softing, which is overly broad.

the way i see it, softing is actually beneficial, if you know your role and get sent to the dark by the mafia, then get killed there and have only your alignment flip, we have things to go by
idk that's kind of vague and situational, but it works in my head
i agree that not softing

anything

is a bit of a stretch, but that, and rauth's relative inactivity, seem to be the only reasons for your deathtunnel

And that's just not true. Rauth hasn't tried to sort anyone. The only thing he's tried to push is a fabricated "scum slip" argument. He had an opportunistic vote in the beginning. He's hid in the background again. The read won't change unless he does something to change it. I'm merely giving the space to do so.

[Titus]

Intellectual prod dodge

[Titus]

Ok, Math miggghttt be town. I might have been wrong there.

[Titus]

I have no clue what MathBlade is on about. Not rolefishing, I have no idea where you got that.

A2

, since you objected to my question to Aelita, I suggest that you ISO her and ask a better question. To me it's like she's playing some other game, not mafia.

:/ Math generally looks more like that as town.

[Titus]

It's a case on titus.
Proper play when it comes to titus is a quick vig.

You could try sheeping and humility. We agree on Rauth. We can start there. Or we can fight until I die. Fighting is just too much work though.

[Titus]

Rauthdir is trying to shut down communication.

How so? Where do you feel he's doing this?

I answered this when I talking abouth Rauth shutting down all softing.

Control F softing.

[Titus]

Titus is doing things that are objectively scummy.

I'm not sure how you are defining "objectively" or "scummy," but I'm thinking you are using the former incorrectly, and possibly the latter too.

-Kelvin

yeah I think the word I was looking for was "fundamentally"
but I definitely meant the scummy part

Please tell me what "scummy" means to you.

suspiciously nontown or anti-town.

Which means what? Not spamming the thread while waiting on people to catch up that Aronis and Rauth are scum. Ok.

[Titus]

Titus is doing things that are objectively scummy.

I'm not sure how you are defining "objectively" or "scummy," but I'm thinking you are using the former incorrectly, and possibly the latter too.

-Kelvin

yeah I think the word I was looking for was "fundamentally"
but I definitely meant the scummy part

Please tell me what "scummy" means to you.

suspiciously nontown or anti-town.

What separates suspiciously non-town from regular non-town? Likewise, what separates suspiciously anti-town from regular anti-town?

-Kelvin

consistency.
i know from experience that as town, you might sometimes say things in passing that are scummy in isolation.

however, when I can consistently trace that scummy nature, eg having enough material to pvpa wall you, that piques suspicion from me.

So basically someone who can spam nonsense about it.

Is that what this site has become, spam nonsense?

[Titus]

Meh Kelvin might be town.

I'm running into a problem where I think all the scums are in the dark PT. :/

[Titus]

Titus who is scum?
Also Texcat is our lynch for the day.

Aronis and Rauth and maybe Bulba.

No. He isn't. I am not voting Texcat before those 3.

[Titus]

Titus,
please don't let this turn into Spring Fever
Like, I can't see Texcat as town, if you think they're town help me out here.
Like Titus, you know I am willing to work with you, it's just things like what happened in Spring Fever and Railgun where you hardpush town just give me sads

Also, What do you think of the Bulb v Gin fight?
I'm still trying to make something out of that.

Who are you?

[Titus]

Oh hi.

I'll hammer Texcat if needed to end the day. I'm just burnt out on words words words when the only defense for Aronis was he was the rvs wagon.

[Titus]

Oh hi.

if this is your response to me I'm sad
I thought we were better friends then this.

--

And why are you trying so blatantly to buddy up to Titus?

What you call buddying is what I do to my site BFFs and just friends in general. Deal with it, and stop asking questions that lead nowhere and fail to move the gameforward.

We are. I'm thrilled you are here. I'm just exhausted.

@Bulba, I am reading the important parts.

[Titus]

Spoiler: @Math

Needs to happen if you're town Math.

[Titus]

srry, obvtown quantumradius, but I think I'm gonna go back to texcat until Titus gets more vote. srry, you have a rlly good case that I would gladly help you lynch titus later tho. but texcat needs to die rn

VOTE: texcat

Thirtieth Votecount

:

texcat - 4 (Mathblade, Vedith, A2, Aronis)

Aronis - 3 (Titus, Aelita, dramonic)

Titus - 1 (QuantumRadius)
Vedith - 1 (Rautherdir)
SnarkySnowman - 1 (ThinkBig)
Ginngie - 1 (79 CE)
Aelita - 1 (texcat)
Mathblade - 1 (Ginngie)

Not Voting - 5 (EddieFenix, BTD6_maker, SnarkySnowman, Bulbazak, Frosted Kelvin Bran)

With

18

alive, it takes

10

to lynch.

At deadline,

texcat

would be lynched.

Day 1's deadline is Tuesday, July 4th, @ 1:00 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-07-04 15:53:22).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• Bulbazak is V/LA through Sunday, July 2nd.
  
• Aronis is V/LA through Wednesday, June 28th.
  
• EddieFenix is V/LA through Wednesday, June 28th.
  
• Rautherdir is V/LA from Monday, June 26th through Saturday, July 1st.
  
• Seeking a ThinkBig replacement.
  
• Voting information/OPs/VCs may not be up-to-date/accurate; I've done my best.
  

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

(+1)

texcat - 4 (Mathblade, Vedith, A2,

Aronis

)

(=0)

Aronis - 3 (Titus, Aelita, dramonic)

(-1)

Titus - 1 (QuantumRadius,

Aronis

)

(=0)

Vedith - 1 (Rautherdir)

(=0)

SnarkySnowman - 1 (ThinkBig)

(=0)

Ginngie - 1 (79 CE)

(=0)

Aelita - 1 (texcat)

(=0)

Mathblade - 1 (Ginngie)

(=0)

Not Voting - 5 (EddieFenix, BTD6_maker, SnarkySnowman, Bulbazak, Frosted Kelvin Bran)

Last votecount was post 1459, page 59.

Spoiler: Player Vote History Day One

• Mathblade(3):
  79 CE=> Unvote==> texcat
  
• Aronis(8):
  Keyent Think==> Vedith==> 79 CE==> texcat==> ThinkBig==> texcat==> Titus==> texcat
  
• 79 CE(5):
  Bulbazak==> Mathblade==> Ginngie==> texcat==> Ginngie
  
• Titus(4):
  Rautherdir==> Aronis==> Rautherdir==> Aronis
  
• Vedith(5):
  Aronis==> 79 CE==> Gamma Emerald==> Aronis==> texcat
  
• Gamma Emerald(3)/Alisae(2+3)/A2(1+5):
  Aronis==> 79 CE==> Aronis | texcat==> ThinkBig | texcat
  
• Ginngie(6):
  Aronis==> Mathblade==> 79 CE==> SnarkySnowman==> ThinkBig==> Mathblade
  
• Bulbazak(6):
  79 CE-> Unvote--> 79 CE-> Unvote--> Titus-> Unvote
  
• EddieFenix(3):
  Bulbazak--> 79 CE-> Unvote
  
• Aelita(1):
  Aronis
  
• Keyent Think(1)/ThinkBig(1+1):
  Aronis | SnarkySnowman
  
• FourTrouble(0)/QuantumRadius(1+0):
  | Titus
  
• Rautherdir(2):
  Aronis==> Vedith
  
• BTD6_maker(2):
  Aronis=> Unvote
  
• Frosted Kelvin Bran(5):
  Aronis---> 79 CE---> texcat===>> QuantumRadius=>> Unvote
  
• texcat(2):
  79 CE==> Aelita
  
• Therealzeus(1)/SnarkySnowman(1+1):
  79 CE | Unvote
  
• dramonic(4):
  Rautherdir-> Unvote--> Vedith--> Aronis

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted Day One

1. Aronis:
   13 - Gamma Emerald, Vedith, Rautherdir, Keyent Think, BTD6_maker, Frosted Kelvin Bran, Ginngie, Titus, Vedith, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Aelita, dramonic
   
2. 79 CE:
   11 - Bulbazak, Therealzeus, texcat, Mathblade, Frosted Kelvin Bran, Gamma Emerald, Vedith, Ginngie, Aronis, EddieFenix, Bulbazak
   
3. texcat:
   9 - Alisae, 79 CE, Aronis, Mathblade, Frosted Kelvin Bran, Vedith, A2, Aronis, Aronis
   
4. Keyent Think/ThinkBig:
   4 - Aronis | Ginngie, Aronis, Alisae
   
5. Rautherdir:
   3 - Titus, dramonic, Titus
   
6. Vedith:
   3 - Aronis, Rautherdir, dramonic
   
7. Titus:
   3 - Bulbazak, QuantumRadius, Aronis
   
8. Mathblade:
   3 - Ginngie, 79 CE, Ginngie
   
9. Bulbazak:
   2 - EddieFenix, 79 CE
   
10. SnarkySnowman:
    2 - ThinkBig, Ginngie
    
11. Ginngie:
    2 - 79 CE, 79 CE
    
12. Gamma Emerald/Alisae:
    1 - Vedith |
    
13. QuantumRadius:
    1 - Frosted Kelvin Bran
    
14. Aelita:
    1 - texcat

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 1

On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 12:54p,

Gamma Emerald

Voted

Aronis

in post 133.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 12:54p,

Vedith

Voted

Aronis

in post 134.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:00p,

Rautherdir

Voted

Aronis

in post 136.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:09p,

Keyent Think

Voted

Aronis

in post 137.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:22p,

Bulbazak

voted

79 CE

in post 142.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:30p,

Titus

Voted

Rautherdir

in post 151.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:38p,

BTD6_maker

Voted

Aronis

in post 157.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:48p,

Frosted Kelvin Bran

Voted

Aronis

in post 158.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:58p,

Therealzeus

Voted

79 CE

in post 159.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 02:22p,

texcat

Voted

79 CE

in post 165.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 03:53p,

Aronis

Voted

Keyent Think

in post 186.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 04:10p,

dramonic

voted

Rautherdir

in post 201.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 04:55p,

Ginngie

Voted

Aronis

in post 224.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 06:34p,

EddieFenix

voted

Bulbazak

in post 225.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 08:11p,

Mathblade

Voted

79 CE

in post 230.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 09:31p,

Aronis

Voted

Vedith

in post 241.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 11:36p,

Ginngie

Voted

Mathblade

in post 298.
On Wed, Jun 06/14/17 @ 07:24a,

79 CE

Voted

Bulbazak

in post 314.
On Wed, Jun 06/14/17 @ 07:59a,

Frosted Kelvin Bran

unvoted

(

Aronis

)

, and voted

79 CE

in post 318.
On Wed, Jun 06/14/17 @ 08:50a,

Titus

Voted

Aronis

in post 322.
On Wed, Jun 06/14/17 @ 09:57a,

Gamma Emerald

Voted

79 CE

in post 343.
On Wed, Jun 06/14/17 @ 10:52a,

Vedith

Voted

79 CE

in post 363.
On Thu, Jun 06/15/17 @ 06:09a,

ThinkBig replaced Keyent Think

in post 408.
On Thu, Jun 06/15/17 @ 07:49a,

79 CE

Voted

Mathblade

in post 432.
On Thu, Jun 06/15/17 @ 10:42a,

Vedith

Voted

Gamma Emerald

in post 440.
On Thu, Jun 06/15/17 @ 09:30p,

Ginngie

Voted

79 CE

in post 452.
On Thu, Jun 06/15/17 @ 09:58p,

Aronis

Voted

79 CE

in post 459.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 12:52a,

Vedith

Voted

Aronis

in post 491.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 08:41a,

EddieFenix

voted

79 CE

in post 552.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 08:57a,

Bulbazak

unvoted

(

79 CE

)

in post 556.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 09:22a,

Titus

Voted

Rautherdir

in post 564.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 09:25a,

Titus

Voted

Aronis

in post 569.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 09:49a,

Gamma Emerald

Voted

Aronis

in post 588.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 09:49a,

Rautherdir

Voted

Vedith

in post 589.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 05:55p,

SnarkySnowman replaced Therealzeus

in post 652.
On Sun, Jun 06/18/17 @ 09:41p,

Bulbazak

voted

79 CE

in post 786.
On Sun, Jun 06/18/17 @ 10:03p,

79 CE

Voted

Ginngie

in post 802.
On Sun, Jun 06/18/17 @ 10:28p,

Mathblade

Unvoted

(

79 CE

)

in post 821.
On Mon, Jun 06/19/17 @ 11:14a,

dramonic

unvoted

(

Rautherdir

)

in post 849.
On Mon, Jun 06/19/17 @ 07:21p,

EddieFenix

unvoted

(

79 CE

)

in post 855.
On Tue, Jun 06/20/17 @ 09:27a,

ThinkBig

Voted

SnarkySnowman

in post 865.
On Tue, Jun 06/20/17 @ 09:29a,

Ginngie

Voted

SnarkySnowman

in post 866.
On Tue, Jun 06/20/17 @ 12:43p,

Aelita

Voted

Aronis

in post 867.
On Tue, Jun 06/20/17 @ 04:55p,

Bulbazak

unvoted

(

79 CE

)

in post 884.
On Wed, Jun 06/21/17 @ 01:15a,

Alisae replaced Gamma Emerald

in post 891.
On Wed, Jun 06/21/17 @ 01:42a,

QuantumRadius replaced FourTrouble

in post 897.
On Wed, Jun 06/21/17 @ 07:56a,

Bulbazak

voted

Titus

in post 913.
On Wed, Jun 06/21/17 @ 08:12a,

dramonic

voted

Vedith

in post 915.
On Wed, Jun 06/21/17 @ 02:06p,

BTD6_maker

Unvoted

(

Aronis

)

in post 919.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 01:21a,

Alisae

Voted

texcat

in post 953.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 01:22a,

79 CE

Voted

texcat

in post 955.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 10:57a,

Ginngie

Voted

ThinkBig

in post 982.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 11:33a,

Aronis

Voted

texcat

in post 988.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 05:37p,

SnarkySnowman

Unvoted

(

79 CE

)

in post 1004.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 08:21p,

Aronis

Voted

ThinkBig

in post 1030.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 09:56p,

Mathblade

Voted

texcat

in post 1046.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 10:55p,

QuantumRadius

Voted

Titus

in post 1067.
On Fri, Jun 06/23/17 @ 04:36a,

Frosted Kelvin Bran

unvoted

(

79 CE

)

, and voted

texcat

in post 1072.
On Fri, Jun 06/23/17 @ 05:47p,

Alisae

Voted

ThinkBig

in post 1116.
On Fri, Jun 06/23/17 @ 08:09p,

Frosted Kelvin Bran

Unvoted

texcat

, and Voted

QuantumRadius

in post 1183.
On Sat, Jun 06/24/17 @ 01:32a,

A2 replaced their other account Alisae

in post 1199.
On Sat, Jun 06/24/17 @ 09:29a,

Vedith

Voted

texcat

in post 1210.
On Sun, Jun 06/25/17 @ 06:16a,

Bulbazak

unvoted

(

Titus

)

in post 1254.
On Sun, Jun 06/25/17 @ 02:36p,

Alisae

Voted

texcat

in post 1291.
On Sun, Jun 06/25/17 @ 08:21p,

Aronis

Voted

texcat

in post 1305.
On Sun, Jun 06/25/17 @ 09:03p,

Aronis

Voted

Titus

in post 1308.
On Sun, Jun 06/25/17 @ 09:42p,

dramonic

voted

Aronis

in post 1312.
On Mon, Jun 06/26/17 @ 12:34a,

79 CE

Voted

Ginngie

in post 1348.
On Mon, Jun 06/26/17 @ 02:21a,

texcat

Voted

Aelita

in post 1388.
On Mon, Jun 06/26/17 @ 07:03a,

Frosted Kelvin Bran

Unvoted

QuantumRadius

in post 1404.
On Mon, Jun 06/26/17 @ 10:27a,

Ginngie

Voted

Mathblade

in post 1453.
On Tue, Jun 06/27/17 @ 10:40a,

Aronis

Voted

texcat

in post 1472.

[Titus]

I'm about ready to go back to titus. What coincidence? I had voted texcat and swapped to titus with the condition that I would move back if the wagon didn't do anything. The wagon didn't do anything so I moved back.

And "conicidentally" that makes the texcat wagon bigger than yours.

[Titus]

I'm about ready to go back to titus. What coincidence? I had voted texcat and swapped to titus with the condition that I would move back if the wagon didn't do anything. The wagon didn't do anything so I moved back.

And "conicidentally" that makes the texcat wagon bigger than yours.

Why does it matter which one is bigger though? We're not near the deadline and I haven't heard anything in terms of a consensus lynch right now.

-Kelvin

Momentum is a thing.

[Titus]

I'm about ready to go back to titus. What coincidence? I had voted texcat and swapped to titus with the condition that I would move back if the wagon didn't do anything. The wagon didn't do anything so I moved back.

And "conicidentally" that makes the texcat wagon bigger than yours.

Why does it matter which one is bigger though? We're not near the deadline and I haven't heard anything in terms of a consensus lynch right now.

-Kelvin

Momentum is a thing.

Sure, I get that, I guess. But where else would you expect him to place his vote? Like you said, momentum is a thing. Other than a self-vote, there are no wagons with momentum. So what makes it a "coincidence," rather than just a coincidence?

-Kelvin

The fact Aronis is the other wagon and he's sneaking his vote.

[Titus]

Sorry Titus but I've reread your ISO and I'm having to agree with Bulba here. You were fairly ingratiating early in the game then just seemed to pick a tunnel and you haven't done anything substantial since. You're not talking to people (in particular, my attempts to talk to you were ignored) and you're not doing things. I'm not happy that I get the sense that you'd prefer to just sit in your tunnel and let everyone do things around you and I don't really feel much belief in you about your push especially since considering you're of the opinion that voteparking someone in a large is a decent way to ensure that they don't get lynched. I don't really feel that shading Aronis for joining the texcat wagon is pushing your lynch. I don't know what you're trying to do this game or where you're trying to go if you're town.

*shrug* I am not sure anything can be done. Aronis spams and has oppotunistic votes. I point them out and you say I am doing nothing. Rauth scumclaims and lurks my pressure away. What more do you expect of me? To nail the entire scumteam with 100% certainty? I can't do that. I've been reevaluating people, including Math and Kelvin, including saying what I need to see from Math.

So what more do you want in a dead game? Me to be a bully and force players to vote scum making the game unenjoyable for everyone?

[Titus]

I don't want you to be a bully, Titus.

Could you answer these, please?

Ok, Math miggghttt be town. I might have been wrong there.

Elaborate?

I answered this when I talking abouth Rauth shutting down all softing.

Control F softing.

Okay. How is that scummy? Is conversation about roles pertinent to organizing town or lynching scum? Because I've not seen to be outside of exceptional circumstances and I don't think this game fits that criterion? What pro-town conversation did he shut down?

Math gets a little less clear as town.

Rauth basically shut down any attempts to soft. What if a light side player really wanted town to know things after death? Rauth wants town players not to do that for a reason.

[Titus]

Softing is awesome, if you know what you're doing.

[Titus]

If you think from Rauth's perspective, don't you think that he could also just be town who genuinely thinks that softing is anti-town?

What if a light side player really wanted town to know things after death? Rauth wants town players not to do that for a reason.

If a light player is killed it will be a full flip, no? Why are you assuming that is Rauth's agenda? What is there in his ISO that led you to think that was his intention, rather than for instance just being town not wanting scum to know roles and not thinking about anything else?

No. Rauth would be scumhunting if that were true. The only things Rauth has done are

1) Try to bus aronis and failed
2) Push a fake slip
3) Bitch about softing.

I'm not inclined to think Rauth is anti-softing here.

[Titus]

Titus, are you familiar at all with Rauth's playstyle and scumhunting? Also, are you implying that one must scumhunt in order to be town?

-Kelvin

Meta is shit.

Yes.

[Titus]

Now please, catch me up.

I'm going to try reading. I hear it's a great past time You should read to...Then we can lynch the scums

I could catch up myself, yes.
But I do like listening to people summarizing the game with their own words and biases.

Texcat is obv scum trying to win at a bass pro tournament..

nancy/Ari prob town
Titus prod town

Ginnie I scumread but Titus doesn't seem to I'm trying to talk with her and get reads and such so we can have this game go civilly.

Then tell me why you scumread Ginnie.

[Titus]

minor pings from aronis here and there, not sure how ai that is

Dude, just get on aronis then and push me for bussing after he flips scum.

[Titus]

Softing is awesome, if you know what you're doing.

Titus...........Post game......words....again....about this....

That's not a soft btw.

We'll have words about it, but not here.

[Titus]

I got gut reads!

Aronis - Town
QuantumRadius - Town

15 left

Who are you?

[Titus]

I WILL GIVE AN EXPLAINED REASON WHY GINNGIE IS TOWN BUT FUCK YOU IF YOU THINK I'LL TELL YOU WHY SHE'S SCUM

Dude I'm reading the fucking thread. I'll give you the ultimate smackdown when I'm done.

You literally won't.

You're going to make up some excuse after reading how you're tired and will leave. I know your bullshit.

Gingie, I'm listening but you're not helping yourself.

Neither is Math.

Why won't you vote Aronis?

[Titus]

minor pings from aronis here and there, not sure how ai that is

Dude, just get on aronis then and push me for bussing after he flips scum.

d-did you just claim scum?
okay right

No.



I seriously am this close on giving up and losing faith in town.

[Titus]

Sorry Titus but I've reread your ISO and I'm having to agree with Bulba here. You were fairly ingratiating early in the game then just seemed to pick a tunnel and you haven't done anything substantial since. You're not talking to people (in particular, my attempts to talk to you were ignored) and you're not doing things. I'm not happy that I get the sense that you'd prefer to just sit in your tunnel and let everyone do things around you and I don't really feel much belief in you about your push especially since considering you're of the opinion that voteparking someone in a large is a decent way to ensure that they don't get lynched. I don't really feel that shading Aronis for joining the texcat wagon is pushing your lynch. I don't know what you're trying to do this game or where you're trying to go if you're town.

*shrug* I am not sure anything can be done. Aronis spams and has oppotunistic votes. I point them out and you say I am doing nothing. Rauth scumclaims and lurks my pressure away. What more do you expect of me? To nail the entire scumteam with 100% certainty? I can't do that. I've been reevaluating people, including Math and Kelvin, including saying what I need to see from Math.

So what more do you want in a dead game? Me to be a bully and force players to vote scum making the game unenjoyable for everyone?

...Aronis isn't spamming. Ginnie is spamming. Yes you're doing nothing because Aronis is obvTown. Rauth didn't scumclaim.

You're scumreading people who don't play like you versus people who are likely scum. Stop this.

Aronis posting "page top" is the definition of spamming.
Gingie is asking, rather rudely, for you to delineate how your read on him evolved. That's not spamming. He's being annoying but not spamming. I'm not liking his playstyle but not SRing him for it.

[Titus]

minor pings from aronis here and there, not sure how ai that is

Dude, just get on aronis then and push me for bussing after he flips scum.

d-did you just claim scum?
okay right

No.



I seriously am this close on giving up and losing faith in town.

you just suggested that you are bussing a mafia teammate
what reaction did you expect from me

I don't even know what to do with this.

The tone is meant to be "Sure whatever, believe I'm scum. Help me "bus"."

I do this all the time in sarcasm.

[Titus]

you just suggested that you are bussing a mafia teammate
what reaction did you expect from me

It's a mid-tier manipulation technique where you use someone's scumread on you to lynch your scumread by falsely connecting yourself with your scumread.

Hey Cirnio, talk to me about your Aronis read. Have you read? Is there anyone you don't want to throw off a cliff besides A2?

[Titus]

you just suggested that you are bussing a mafia teammate
what reaction did you expect from me

It's a mid-tier manipulation technique where you use someone's scumread on you to lynch your scumread by falsely connecting yourself with your scumread.

... so if aronis is town titus gets chainlynched?
that makes zero fucking sense as either alignment on d1

:/ Now this is like extraplanetary.

All I was saying was Aronis is scum. You SR him. Help me lynch him and then you argue I hard bussed.

[Titus]

minor pings from aronis here and there, not sure how ai that is

Dude, just get on aronis then and push me for bussing after he flips scum.

d-did you just claim scum?
okay right

No.



I seriously am this close on giving up and losing faith in town.

you just suggested that you are bussing a mafia teammate
what reaction did you expect from me

I don't even know what to do with this.

The tone is meant to be "Sure whatever, believe I'm scum. Help me "bus"."

I do this all the time in sarcasm.

>I do this all the time in sarcasm.
>Meta is shit.

Fucking choose one.

-Kelvin

Both because personality isn't meta. I didn't say I do it as town. I just do it. Period.

[Titus]

Hey Cirnio, talk to me about your Aronis read. Have you read? Is there anyone you don't want to throw off a cliff besides A2?

I would say "because you're scumreading him" but

I got a townfeel from the cockiness after bulba called him town.

Also why would I not want to throw A2 off the cliff?

Because A2 is awesome and obvious town.

Is this going to be another game like railgun where I get move of the scumteam right but one anti-town guy drives it into the ground?

[Titus]

minor pings from aronis here and there, not sure how ai that is

Dude, just get on aronis then and push me for bussing after he flips scum.

d-did you just claim scum?
okay right

No.



I seriously am this close on giving up and losing faith in town.

you just suggested that you are bussing a mafia teammate
what reaction did you expect from me

I don't even know what to do with this.

The tone is meant to be "Sure whatever, believe I'm scum. Help me "bus"."

I do this all the time in sarcasm.

>I do this all the time in sarcasm.
>Meta is shit.

Fucking choose one.

-Kelvin

Both because personality isn't meta. I didn't say I do it as town. I just do it. Period.

So then how do you know Rauth's play isn't a result of personality, rather than alignment?

-Kelvin

Because it serves no useful town function.

[Titus]

Titus I need a hug

I better not be that one anti-town guy

@DRC, No. You are using your indoor voice.

@Math, scum don't seppuku for a dying wagon.

[Titus]

Hey Cirnio, talk to me about your Aronis read. Have you read? Is there anyone you don't want to throw off a cliff besides A2?

I would say "because you're scumreading him" but

I got a townfeel from the cockiness after bulba called him town.

Also why would I not want to throw A2 off the cliff?

Because A2 is awesome and obvious town.

Is this going to be another game like railgun where I get move of the scumteam right but one anti-town guy drives it into the ground?

I didn't realize "got most of the scumteam" now meant "got 1/3 right by pure chance." See, this is why I can't trust your reads for a damn.

-Kelvin

First, read the first posts. This game has 4 scum. So there's no way I have caught 1/3. Second, rather than saying pure luck, you'd learn more by seeing where I am right and wrong if you're using meta to discredit, go the full monte.

[Titus]

Then explain to me why Ginnie is town and turning this thread into a shit show.

I can't explain why he does it. He has though. I've told him the scumteam in the past without reading the thread and making logical deductions. He got pissed and lylo voted me anyway. Just because he is annoying doesn't make him scum.

[Titus]

Let me make a summary.

Gin: Math why your read change on me
Math: *ketchup posting*
Gin: Math?
Math: *more ketchup posting*
Gin: MATH WHAT AM I, A CHOPPED LIVER?????
MATH: OMG STOP SPAMMING SCUM

quantum in the background: _{hey guys I'm finding scum I think
help}

Hey, we can still talk reads if you want...

[Titus]

I could've sworn Titus posted reads after I replaced in.
I can't find it anymore.

Aronis Rauth lock scum. Bulba lean scum.

[Titus]

Let me make a summary.

Gin: Math why your read change on me
Math: *ketchup posting*
Gin: Math?
Math: *more ketchup posting*
Gin: MATH WHAT AM I, A CHOPPED LIVER?????
MATH: OMG STOP SPAMMING SCUM

quantum in the background: _{hey guys I'm finding scum I think
help}

Hey, we can still talk reads if you want...

1) you're in my reads. nice try, I'm not falling for read pollution
2) i need advice from slightly more competent townies than me
Kelvin's been super helpful but he's like the only one who I can follow reasonably that's actually responded to me on anything

Read pollution is not a thing. Talking to your SRs helps either a) confirm the read or b) find the partners.
Who do you consider more competent and town?

[Titus]

Hey Cirnio, talk to me about your Aronis read. Have you read? Is there anyone you don't want to throw off a cliff besides A2?

I would say "because you're scumreading him" but

I got a townfeel from the cockiness after bulba called him town.

Also why would I not want to throw A2 off the cliff?

Because A2 is awesome and obvious town.

Is this going to be another game like railgun where I get move of the scumteam right but one anti-town guy drives it into the ground?

I didn't realize "got most of the scumteam" now meant "got 1/3 right by pure chance." See, this is why I can't trust your reads for a damn.

-Kelvin

First, read the first posts. This game has 4 scum. So there's no way I have caught 1/3. Second, rather than saying pure luck, you'd learn more by seeing where I am right and wrong if you're using meta to discredit, go the full monte.

I'm talking about Railgun, TItus. You didn't have the scum team pegged for shit. The only one you called of the three scum was me and that seemed to be mostly because you confbiased yourself into believing that Wisdom and I were scum together, even though we weren't. You didn't get any of the other scum.

And let's not forget nancy's game, where for most of the game, your scumreads were me, Nacho, and random other person that I don't think you were ever right about. And your scumread on me was because I attacked you for fairly legitimate reasons, given my lack of experience with you. But you just went on misreping me and actively refusing to even interact with me, no matter how many times I tried to engage you.

-Kelvin

Masons I false scumread all the time. Reason, they are as fake as scum. So Nacho registering as scum for being fake was accurate. My tone changed after he flipped mason in girls for a reason. I own that's a weakness of mine.

My other weakness is jerks who fail to explain themselves. I am here engaging you now about my flaws and letting you rip into me in the hopes you'll actually listen. My reads have been evolving based on new data. But if you keep being hung up on the past, then this game will be harder.

Let the meta go.

[Titus]

Titus, why is Gin town?

He's pissing me off to the point where I don't care if he dies but only town usually get that invested.

That being said, I'm extremely hostile to any read he has because he's acting this way.

[Titus]

Then explain to me why Ginnie is town and turning this thread into a shit show.

I can't explain why he does it. He has though. I've told him the scumteam in the past without reading the thread and making logical deductions. He got pissed and lylo voted me anyway. Just because he is annoying doesn't make him scum.

She's working against the town wincon by making the thread unbearable intentionally. Only scum work against the town wincon intentionally. Ginnie is scum.

Titus if you can't explain why someone would make this impossible for everyone to play and have that player be town then your read is just liking Ginnie.

I can explain about being controlling and demanding but it's not necessary. Town as well as scum engage in the play. It comes from not getting what they want fast enough. They need to feel lynching scum is their idea. Their success.

Being anti-town isn't always scummy.

I don't like Gingie's play and I wish they'd stop.

[Titus]

Guys, I've lost count of how many people have said something to the effect of "only scum do this, so this person must be scum." It's super frustrating because it's a stupid and inaccurate thing to say. I've been asking this for several games now and never get an answer, but what are you going to do if you are wrong? Are you actually going to learn from that shit and realize that only fools and scum deal in absolutes? Or are you just gonna keep on keeping on with the same bullshit rhetoric? I'm asking because I'm trying to understand Mafia players better so that I can further figure out how to be a useful contributor.

-Kelvin

Kelvin, I like this.

I try not to say only scum do this.
If a slot is anti-town and has no scumhunting, I lock SR it until it shows otherwise.

There's a difference between no town use and only scum do this.

If any theory is wrong, you step back and reevaluate.

[Titus]

Being anti-town isn't always scummy.

I don't like Gingie's play and I wish they'd stop.

I thought you LIKED Policy Lynches.

I do. I just don't want one yet if I can lynch someone I actually think is scum. Aronis is tied for the lead wagon.

[Titus]

Guys, I've lost count of how many people have said something to the effect of "only scum do this, so this person must be scum." It's super frustrating because it's a stupid and inaccurate thing to say. I've been asking this for several games now and never get an answer, but what are you going to do if you are wrong? Are you actually going to learn from that shit and realize that only fools and scum deal in absolutes? Or are you just gonna keep on keeping on with the same bullshit rhetoric? I'm asking because I'm trying to understand Mafia players better so that I can further figure out how to be a useful contributor.

-Kelvin

Kelvin, I like this.

I try not to say only scum do this.
If a slot is anti-town and has no scumhunting, I lock SR it until it shows otherwise.

There's a difference between no town use and only scum do this.

If any theory is wrong, you step back and reevaluate.

Then you don't lock SRread Ginnie because?

He is scumhunting, even if annoying.

[Titus]

Ginggie, I don't care for this. You've convinced me Math will never die before you. Got it.

[Titus]

Hey Cirnio, talk to me about your Aronis read. Have you read? Is there anyone you don't want to throw off a cliff besides A2?

I would say "because you're scumreading him" but

I got a townfeel from the cockiness after bulba called him town.

Also why would I not want to throw A2 off the cliff?

Because A2 is awesome and obvious town.

Is this going to be another game like railgun where I get move of the scumteam right but one anti-town guy drives it into the ground?

I didn't realize "got most of the scumteam" now meant "got 1/3 right by pure chance." See, this is why I can't trust your reads for a damn.

-Kelvin

First, read the first posts. This game has 4 scum. So there's no way I have caught 1/3. Second, rather than saying pure luck, you'd learn more by seeing where I am right and wrong if you're using meta to discredit, go the full monte.

I'm talking about Railgun, TItus. You didn't have the scum team pegged for shit. The only one you called of the three scum was me and that seemed to be mostly because you confbiased yourself into believing that Wisdom and I were scum together, even though we weren't. You didn't get any of the other scum.

And let's not forget nancy's game, where for most of the game, your scumreads were me, Nacho, and random other person that I don't think you were ever right about. And your scumread on me was because I attacked you for fairly legitimate reasons, given my lack of experience with you. But you just went on misreping me and actively refusing to even interact with me, no matter how many times I tried to engage you.

-Kelvin

Masons I false scumread all the time. Reason, they are as fake as scum. So Nacho registering as scum for being fake was accurate. My tone changed after he flipped mason in girls for a reason. I own that's a weakness of mine.

My other weakness is jerks who fail to explain themselves. I am here engaging you now about my flaws and letting you rip into me in the hopes you'll actually listen. My reads have been evolving based on new data. But if you keep being hung up on the past, then this game will be harder.

Let the meta go.

It's not about the meta and I'm not trying to be hung up on the past, honestly. But when I have a history with you where your reads are inaccurate, it makes it hard to trust your reads. Especially when you overstate how good your past reads were, as per Railgun. It doesn't make it sound like you've learned anything from those inaccurate reads. It's not like this is some far past thing either, this is within the last month or two.

Again, I'm not trying to attack you for that, but I want you to understand my perspective here and why I'm hesitant to follow your lead. I like you as a person and I really like the stuff you said in Titus Academy, but in game I sometimes feel like all that great game theory falls by the wayside with you. And I get it, to an extent, because I do the same thing. It's hard to operate idealistically when the whole meta on this site feels like it's the antithesis of cooperation and mutual understanding. But even then, that doesn't mean I can just make myself believe that what you're saying makes sense to me.

But I do like what I'm seeing this game. If nothing else, the fact that you've been willing to evolve on your reads is heartening to me (and is going to be really heartbreaking to me if you flip scum). I'm willing to try to work with you, but I need you to understand that I'm not going to agree with you all of the time. And if I don't see what you see, then I need you to be open to that and allow a dialogue to occur, rather than a shouting match or finger-pointing. If you can do that for me, I can try to start moving forward. Okay?

-Kelvin

Of course. I know my weaknesses. I say them to try and foster a dialogue. Agreeing to disagree is ok. I felt like I could never get that in girls. I was correct the opening was fake because I had witnessed Nacho sort Tammy and he wasn't there. So even if you disagree, it's important to get to the essence.

So your reads? How do I get through to QR?

[Titus]

Guys, I've lost count of how many people have said something to the effect of "only scum do this, so this person must be scum." It's super frustrating because it's a stupid and inaccurate thing to say. I've been asking this for several games now and never get an answer, but what are you going to do if you are wrong? Are you actually going to learn from that shit and realize that only fools and scum deal in absolutes? Or are you just gonna keep on keeping on with the same bullshit rhetoric? I'm asking because I'm trying to understand Mafia players better so that I can further figure out how to be a useful contributor.

-Kelvin

Kelvin, I like this.

I try not to say only scum do this.
If a slot is anti-town and has no scumhunting, I lock SR it until it shows otherwise.

There's a difference between no town use and only scum do this.

If any theory is wrong, you step back and reevaluate.

Why lock it then though? That makes it sound so obstinate and rigid.

-Kelvin

It is rigid, until proven otherwise. Rauth has to do it.

[Titus]

So to be clear, Alisae, Gin is scum because...? And this is a policy lynch or not? Can a policy lynch on scum even exist? Like, I think everybody "policy lynches" scum.

-Kelvin

Anyway let's talk about Rauth.
Why is he scum? I can think of one reasom why, but I still want to hear it.

Policy lynches are when a player is so toxic the game stalls due to their play and they have no needed night role, or would solve the game by dying.

Rauth is scum due to his not reading hurry vote on Aronis, the only push he's made was based on a "scumslip", and he wants zero softing.

[Titus]

A2 is town
So is Ginngie

Screw every one of you

What the hell did I do? Am I posting too much? But if I collect my thoughts into a wall, nobody fucking reads them.

-Kelvin

I will.

[Titus]

Of course. I know my weaknesses. I say them to try and foster a dialogue. Agreeing to disagree is ok. I felt like I could never get that in girls. I was correct the opening was fake because I had witnessed Nacho sort Tammy and he wasn't there. So even if you disagree, it's important to get to the essence.

So your reads? How do I get through to QR?

Alrighty then, let's work together.

As I said in two earlier posts (maybe you missed them), I've got no reads and I'm not scumhunting. I've come to the conclusion that it's pointless for me to post reads. When I was going to retire a month or so ago, I went on many rants about how I think the game of Mafia is primarily random bullshit and it's impossible to be good at it.

I'm still not sure that assessment's false, but I'm trying to experiment now and see if I can find ways to make the game enjoyable for me, while still being an asset to the town. Part of that means not bothering with reads. They frustrate me because I'm pretty consistently always wrong, especially when I try to build a case on somebody. And what's more, I think they make me more likely to lean towards confirmation bias and tunnel vision.

So rather than that, I am trying a more flexible playstyle that is more about interact with others and helping them develop and better sense of the game. If my gut tells me to vote or I think I can use it for pressure, I will. Otherwise, I'll vote with somebody whose scumhunting abilities I trust, someone who produces a good case, or wherever the other heads of the Hydra want to place the vote. I assume that this won't be a popular playstyle, but I fully plan to develop it for the time being, so I imagine I'll be on the receiving end of a few policy lynches in my games to come.

With all that out of the way, what would you like to talk about?

-Kelvin

Ok, well I find it easier when the other slot has reads. As long as you post detailed thoughts, I'll call what you are doing scumhunting.

I view QR's tunnel on me as anti-town. How do I get him to move on?

[Titus]

A2 is town
So is Ginngie

Screw every one of you

What the hell did I do? Am I posting too much? But if I collect my thoughts into a wall, nobody fucking reads them.

-Kelvin

I will.

The thing is, even if you did, most other people won't. They never have for as long as I've played Mafia. And I honestly don't have the time or willpower to wallpost anymore. I'd typically spend a minimum of an hour on a post back in the day. And for what? So I could be wrong and get ignored? That doesn't help anybody. Nah, if I can avoid it, I never want to post a wall again.

-Kelvin

Ok, do remember to tailor to your audience. I read everything and process rather quickly.

[Titus]

A2 is town
So is Ginngie

Screw every one of you

What the hell did I do? Am I posting too much? But if I collect my thoughts into a wall, nobody fucking reads them.

-Kelvin

I will.

The thing is, even if you did, most other people won't. They never have for as long as I've played Mafia. And I honestly don't have the time or willpower to wallpost anymore. I'd typically spend a minimum of an hour on a post back in the day. And for what? So I could be wrong and get ignored? That doesn't help anybody. Nah, if I can avoid it, I never want to post a wall again.

-Kelvin

Ok, do remember to tailor to your audience. I read everything and process rather quickly.

But you aren't exclusively my audience. There's like... 17-ish(?) other people in this game. As well as a plethora of other players on-site who don't give wallposters the time of day. Or was that your point? I'm not really sure.

-Kelvin

My point is you cannot please everyone. Consider your audience. If you look at your audience, you'll know when and how to wallpost.

[Titus]

VOTE: texcat

Boooo

[Titus]

VOTE: texcat

Boooo

Are you saying "boo" or "Boo-urns"?

-Kelvin

Booing a football player kinda boo.

[Titus]

VOTE: texcat

Boooo

Are you saying "boo" or "Boo-urns"?

-Kelvin

Booing a football player kinda boo.

I'm beginning to suspect you aren't a Simpsons fan.

-Kelvin

Dude, Maggie totally shot Mr. Burns. I've seen a lot of Simpsons episodes. My favorite is good bart bad lisa. Don't ask me the name.

[Titus]

It's not important but hey a new way to talk to you.

[Titus]

@QR, Like any other setup.

@Aronis, I feel like you're trying to take advantage of me reading masons as scum to claim masons here. Why claim at all while insisting your vote on texcat wasn't because you were scared?

[Titus]

@QR, Like any other setup.

@Aronis, I feel like you're trying to take advantage of me reading masons as scum to claim masons here. Why claim at all while insisting your vote on texcat wasn't because you were scared?

but how can the masons mason if they don't know that they're masons?
Masonception

They would....

[Titus]

Yeah, I forgot Dark don't know role so he and Rauth should not be masons.

[Titus]

I'm not liking how static this is.

[Titus]

@Eddie, Aronis tried to pass him and Rauth off as dark pt masons. You see that?

If you have a problem with Vedith shooting you, you should have a problem with aronis.

I feel there's far too many words and people are just opposing this because they don't want the cute spammer to be scum.

[Titus]

OMG IT'S AN A2! IT'S HUGS ARE BETTER THAN STEAKSAUCE!

[Titus]

Omg it is a Creature!!

Tell me your reads

When you do this, you make me want to lynch you.

If Math was a deity, what would they pronounce?

[Titus]

Cookies are my thing with Shiro. We have OMG.

[Titus]

Creature might be scum wking texcat...

[Titus]

UNVOTE: Aronis

This doesn't pass the why test. Why does Aronis make a fakeclaim he knows he'll get crucified for and come in like a limp fish?

[Titus]

Forty-first Votecount

:

texcat - 5 (Mathblade, Vedith, Aronis, 79 CE, Ginngie)

Aronis - 4 (Titus, Aelita, dramonic, texcat)

Ginngie - 2 (A2, DrCirno)
Titus - 1 (QuantumRadius)
Vedith - 1 (Rautherdir)

Not Voting - 5 (EddieFenix, BTD6_maker, SnarkySnowman, Bulbazak, Frosted Kelvin Bran)

With

18

alive, it takes

10

to lynch.

At deadline,

texcat

would be lynched.

Day 1's deadline is Tuesday, July 4th, @ 1:00 PM PDT: (expired on 2017-07-04 15:53:22).

V/LA Notices/Mod Notes:

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• Bulbazak is V/LA through Sunday, July 2nd.
  
• Aronis is V/LA through Wednesday, June 28th.
  
• EddieFenix is V/LA through Wednesday, June 28th.
  
• Rautherdir is V/LA from Monday, June 26th through Saturday, July 1st.
  
• Now seeking an Aelita replacement.
  

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

(+1)

texcat - 5 (Mathblade, Vedith, Aronis, 79 CE,

Ginngie

)

(+1)

Aronis - 4 (Titus, Aelita, dramonic,

texcat

)

(+1)

Ginngie - 2 (A2,

DrCirno

)

(=0)

Titus - 1 (QuantumRadius)

(=0)

Vedith - 1 (Rautherdir)

(-1)

SnarkySnowman - 0 (

DrCirno

)

(-1)

Aelita - 0 (

texcat

)

(-1)

Mathblade - 0 (

Ginngie

)

(=0)

Not Voting - 5 (EddieFenix, BTD6_maker, SnarkySnowman, Bulbazak, Frosted Kelvin Bran)

Last votecount was post 1750, page 71.

Spoiler: Player Vote History Day One

• Mathblade(3):
  79 CE=> Unvote==> texcat
  
• Aronis(8):
  Keyent Think==> Vedith==> 79 CE==> texcat==> ThinkBig==> texcat==> Titus==> texcat
  
• 79 CE(6):
  Bulbazak==> Mathblade==> Ginngie==> texcat==> Ginngie==> texcat
  
• Titus(4):
  Rautherdir==> Aronis==> Rautherdir==> Aronis
  
• Vedith(5):
  Aronis==> 79 CE==> Gamma Emerald==> Aronis==> texcat
  
• Gamma Emerald(3)/Alisae(2+3)/A2(2+5):
  Aronis==> 79 CE==> Aronis | texcat==> ThinkBig | texcat==> Ginngie
  
• Ginngie(7):
  Aronis==> Mathblade==> 79 CE==> SnarkySnowman==> ThinkBig==> Mathblade==> texcat
  
• Bulbazak(6):
  79 CE-> Unvote--> 79 CE-> Unvote--> Titus-> Unvote
  
• EddieFenix(3):
  Bulbazak--> 79 CE-> Unvote
  
• Aelita(1):
  Aronis
  
• Keyent Think(1)/ThinkBig(1+1)/DrCirno(1+2):
  Aronis | SnarkySnowman | Ginngie
  
• FourTrouble(0)/QuantumRadius(1+0):
  | Titus
  
• Rautherdir(2):
  Aronis==> Vedith
  
• BTD6_maker(2):
  Aronis=> Unvote
  
• Frosted Kelvin Bran(5):
  Aronis---> 79 CE---> texcat===>> QuantumRadius=>> Unvote
  
• texcat(3):
  79 CE==> Aelita==> Aronis
  
• Therealzeus(1)/SnarkySnowman(1+1):
  79 CE | Unvote
  
• dramonic(4):
  Rautherdir-> Unvote--> Vedith--> Aronis

Spoiler: Players Who Have BEEN Voted Day One

1. Aronis:
   14 - Gamma Emerald, Vedith, Rautherdir, Keyent Think, BTD6_maker, Frosted Kelvin Bran, Ginngie, Titus, Vedith, Titus, Gamma Emerald, Aelita, dramonic, texcat
   
2. 79 CE:
   11 - Bulbazak, Therealzeus, texcat, Mathblade, Frosted Kelvin Bran, Gamma Emerald, Vedith, Ginngie, Aronis, EddieFenix, Bulbazak
   
3. texcat:
   11 - Alisae, 79 CE, Aronis, Mathblade, Frosted Kelvin Bran, Vedith, A2, Aronis, Aronis, 79 CE, Ginngie
   
4. Keyent Think/ThinkBig/DrCirno:
   4 - Aronis | Ginngie, Aronis, Alisae |
   
5. Ginngie:
   4 - 79 CE, 79 CE, A2, DrCirno
   
6. Rautherdir:
   3 - Titus, dramonic, Titus
   
7. Vedith:
   3 - Aronis, Rautherdir, dramonic
   
8. Titus:
   3 - Bulbazak, QuantumRadius, Aronis
   
9. Mathblade:
   3 - Ginngie, 79 CE, Ginngie
   
10. Bulbazak:
    2 - EddieFenix, 79 CE
    
11. SnarkySnowman:
    2 - ThinkBig, Ginngie
    
12. Gamma Emerald/Alisae/A2:
    1 - Vedith | |
    
13. QuantumRadius:
    1 - Frosted Kelvin Bran
    
14. Aelita:
    1 - texcat

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 1

On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 12:54p,

Gamma Emerald

Voted

Aronis

in post 133.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 12:54p,

Vedith

Voted

Aronis

in post 134.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:00p,

Rautherdir

Voted

Aronis

in post 136.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:09p,

Keyent Think

Voted

Aronis

in post 137.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:22p,

Bulbazak

voted

79 CE

in post 142.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:30p,

Titus

Voted

Rautherdir

in post 151.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:38p,

BTD6_maker

Voted

Aronis

in post 157.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:48p,

Frosted Kelvin Bran

Voted

Aronis

in post 158.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 01:58p,

Therealzeus

Voted

79 CE

in post 159.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 02:22p,

texcat

Voted

79 CE

in post 165.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 03:53p,

Aronis

Voted

Keyent Think

in post 186.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 04:10p,

dramonic

voted

Rautherdir

in post 201.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 04:55p,

Ginngie

Voted

Aronis

in post 224.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 06:34p,

EddieFenix

voted

Bulbazak

in post 225.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 08:11p,

Mathblade

Voted

79 CE

in post 230.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 09:31p,

Aronis

Voted

Vedith

in post 241.
On Tue, Jun 06/13/17 @ 11:36p,

Ginngie

Voted

Mathblade

in post 298.
On Wed, Jun 06/14/17 @ 07:24a,

79 CE

Voted

Bulbazak

in post 314.
On Wed, Jun 06/14/17 @ 07:59a,

Frosted Kelvin Bran

unvoted

(

Aronis

)

, and voted

79 CE

in post 318.
On Wed, Jun 06/14/17 @ 08:50a,

Titus

Voted

Aronis

in post 322.
On Wed, Jun 06/14/17 @ 09:57a,

Gamma Emerald

Voted

79 CE

in post 343.
On Wed, Jun 06/14/17 @ 10:52a,

Vedith

Voted

79 CE

in post 363.
On Thu, Jun 06/15/17 @ 06:09a,

ThinkBig replaced Keyent Think

in post 408.
On Thu, Jun 06/15/17 @ 07:49a,

79 CE

Voted

Mathblade

in post 432.
On Thu, Jun 06/15/17 @ 10:42a,

Vedith

Voted

Gamma Emerald

in post 440.
On Thu, Jun 06/15/17 @ 09:30p,

Ginngie

Voted

79 CE

in post 452.
On Thu, Jun 06/15/17 @ 09:58p,

Aronis

Voted

79 CE

in post 459.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 12:52a,

Vedith

Voted

Aronis

in post 491.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 08:41a,

EddieFenix

voted

79 CE

in post 552.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 08:57a,

Bulbazak

unvoted

(

79 CE

)

in post 556.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 09:22a,

Titus

Voted

Rautherdir

in post 564.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 09:25a,

Titus

Voted

Aronis

in post 569.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 09:49a,

Gamma Emerald

Voted

Aronis

in post 588.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 09:49a,

Rautherdir

Voted

Vedith

in post 589.
On Fri, Jun 06/16/17 @ 05:55p,

SnarkySnowman replaced Therealzeus

in post 652.
On Sun, Jun 06/18/17 @ 09:41p,

Bulbazak

voted

79 CE

in post 786.
On Sun, Jun 06/18/17 @ 10:03p,

79 CE

Voted

Ginngie

in post 802.
On Sun, Jun 06/18/17 @ 10:28p,

Mathblade

Unvoted

(

79 CE

)

in post 821.
On Mon, Jun 06/19/17 @ 11:14a,

dramonic

unvoted

(

Rautherdir

)

in post 849.
On Mon, Jun 06/19/17 @ 07:21p,

EddieFenix

unvoted

(

79 CE

)

in post 855.
On Tue, Jun 06/20/17 @ 09:27a,

ThinkBig

Voted

SnarkySnowman

in post 865.
On Tue, Jun 06/20/17 @ 09:29a,

Ginngie

Voted

SnarkySnowman

in post 866.
On Tue, Jun 06/20/17 @ 12:43p,

Aelita

Voted

Aronis

in post 867.
On Tue, Jun 06/20/17 @ 04:55p,

Bulbazak

unvoted

(

79 CE

)

in post 884.
On Wed, Jun 06/21/17 @ 01:15a,

Alisae replaced Gamma Emerald

in post 891.
On Wed, Jun 06/21/17 @ 01:42a,

QuantumRadius replaced FourTrouble

in post 897.
On Wed, Jun 06/21/17 @ 07:56a,

Bulbazak

voted

Titus

in post 913.
On Wed, Jun 06/21/17 @ 08:12a,

dramonic

voted

Vedith

in post 915.
On Wed, Jun 06/21/17 @ 02:06p,

BTD6_maker

Unvoted

(

Aronis

)

in post 919.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 01:21a,

Alisae

Voted

texcat

in post 953.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 01:22a,

79 CE

Voted

texcat

in post 955.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 10:57a,

Ginngie

Voted

ThinkBig

in post 982.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 11:33a,

Aronis

Voted

texcat

in post 988.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 05:37p,

SnarkySnowman

Unvoted

(

79 CE

)

in post 1004.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 08:21p,

Aronis

Voted

ThinkBig

in post 1030.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 09:56p,

Mathblade

Voted

texcat

in post 1046.
On Thu, Jun 06/22/17 @ 10:55p,

QuantumRadius

Voted

Titus

in post 1067.
On Fri, Jun 06/23/17 @ 04:36a,

Frosted Kelvin Bran

unvoted

(

79 CE

)

, and voted

texcat

in post 1072.
On Fri, Jun 06/23/17 @ 05:47p,

Alisae

Voted

ThinkBig

in post 1116.
On Fri, Jun 06/23/17 @ 08:09p,

Frosted Kelvin Bran

Unvoted

texcat

, and Voted

QuantumRadius

in post 1183.
On Sat, Jun 06/24/17 @ 01:32a,

A2 replaced their other account Alisae

in post 1199.
On Sat, Jun 06/24/17 @ 09:29a,

Vedith

Voted

texcat

in post 1210.
On Sun, Jun 06/25/17 @ 06:16a,

Bulbazak

unvoted

(

Titus

)

in post 1254.
On Sun, Jun 06/25/17 @ 02:36p,

Alisae

Voted

texcat

in post 1291.
On Sun, Jun 06/25/17 @ 08:21p,

Aronis

Voted

texcat

in post 1305.
On Sun, Jun 06/25/17 @ 09:03p,

Aronis

Voted

Titus

in post 1308.
On Sun, Jun 06/25/17 @ 09:42p,

dramonic

voted

Aronis

in post 1312.
On Mon, Jun 06/26/17 @ 12:34a,

79 CE

Voted

Ginngie

in post 1348.
On Mon, Jun 06/26/17 @ 02:21a,

texcat

Voted

Aelita

in post 1388.
On Mon, Jun 06/26/17 @ 07:03a,

Frosted Kelvin Bran

Unvoted

QuantumRadius

in post 1404.
On Mon, Jun 06/26/17 @ 10:27a,

Ginngie

Voted

Mathblade

in post 1453.
On Tue, Jun 06/27/17 @ 10:40a,

Aronis

Voted

texcat

in post 1472.
On Tue, Jun 06/27/17 @ 08:48p,

DrCirno replaced ThinkBig

in post 1511.
On Tue, Jun 06/27/17 @ 09:13p,

A2

Voted

Ginngie

in post 1549.
On Tue, Jun 06/27/17 @ 11:24p,

79 CE

Voted

texcat

in post 1718.
On Wed, Jun 06/28/17 @ 08:31a,

texcat

Voted

Aronis

in post 1763.
On Wed, Jun 06/28/17 @ 01:14p,

Ginngie

Voted

texcat

in post 1780.
On Wed, Jun 06/28/17 @ 04:37p,

DrCirno

Voted

Ginngie

in post 1793.

[Titus]

Can we just pull one of Aronis/Rauth into light to make sure we don't lynch a mason and Aronis guessed at his role?

I don't think they're masons? It's just some role that's linked with another role and Aronis knew who he was linked to. If he correctly guessed it he would've said so rather than just scumclaim with an eyeroll and exit thread?

So he and Rauth claim linked. So they either a) have a pt or b) are linked in some other way. Wouldn't it be best to be sure. We can swap people.

Say what is your bulba read?

[Titus]

IT WOULD BE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF SCUM AND A TOWNIE

A MASON

IS ONE THAT KNOWS

THAT THEIR LINKED PARTNERS

ARE NOT PART OF THE MAFIA

AND WITH IT BEING EXPLICITLY 14:4 TOWN:MAFIA

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A SCUM MASON

Yeah, I was also thinking that, but please look here. It says that scum Masons can sometimes be a thing. I didn't know that until now. I thought the difference between a Masonry and a Neighborhood was the assurance that all members were town, which is part of why I thought the wagon was so dumb, in addition to when I misread what Rauth said.

-Kelvin

Scum masons are bastard.

Game is not bastard.

There is the chance of both being lying scum but scum masons not a thing.

[Titus]

Oh holy gods of mafiascum, I pray to thee. Tell me who the scumfucks are, but retell if you say Aronis or Rauth as your little minion does not want to risk the possibility of lynching a mason.

[Titus]

Oh holy gods of mafiascum, I pray to thee. Tell me who the scumfucks are, but retell if you say Aronis or Rauth as your little minion does not want to risk the possibility of lynching a mason.

sorry, the gods are unavailable
I'm the intern
it says here that you are scum

Dude, you're not working for the "gods". I think your wires got crossed and you need a good sit-down with Drixx on your good versus evil identification.

VOTE: Ginngie

[Titus]

Oh holy gods of mafiascum, I pray to thee. Tell me who the scumfucks are, but retell if you say Aronis or Rauth as your little minion does not want to risk the possibility of lynching a mason.

sorry, the gods are unavailable
I'm the intern
it says here that you are scum

Dude, you're not working for the "gods". I think your wires got crossed and you need a good sit-down with Drixx on your good versus evil identification.

VOTE: Ginngie

Titus...help me out here please I gotta go but please see my prior question and I was just coming around to you thinking Ginngie was Town

I'm trolling around at the moment. I think bulba is scum but that's omgus.

[Titus]

And Titus I want your top three scumreads go.

There is a point I promise. And please rank them.

Gotta go.

I has sads.

I'm trying to reset.

[Titus]

srry guys I guess I kinda fucked up, but I'm town so can we plz not lynch me.

I'll even stop spamming and try to be a productive member of society next day phase

I have seen a lot of different kinds of AtE but I think I'm willing to fall for this one.

(To be honest, I've been reeeeeeally lazy so far and I'm amused that I had no accusations or anything were directed over me so far.)

Me too if he sticks it.

[Titus]

VOTE: Snarky

1 day left.

[Titus]

I don't want Aronis.

[Titus]

Why not Snarky?

snarky is a pl at best
he's just inactive
there's no value in that lynch

Beats the risky Aronis lynch.

Confused look

[Titus]

I am expecting there is some sort of thing in the dark pt that explains it. Most everyone wanting him dead is light.

[Titus]

Snarky, please claim.

[Titus]

Snarky, please claim.

Don't claim, Snarky.
It's a policy lynch on you and it's fucking tragic.

If he claims, we could have a civil discussion about moving elsewhere.

[Titus]

Flipping in the dark is better anyway.
Even more so with this player list who couldn't arrange a piss up in a brewery.

Lynching light town means that Scum have an advantage on powers compared to not Lyncing town light.

....?
flipping in the dark gives us less information

Why?

Darks don't flip roles...

[Titus]

Yeah and I can tell you now the role isn't Mason.
Rauth doesn't know the role only the role type. You can try and bullshit me but I'll call you on it.

It could be lovers, masons or neighbors.

[Titus]

Well, he has a little over a day as of now to answer that question.

You didn't crumb or talk at all?

[Titus]

Well, he has a little over a day as of now to answer that question.

You didn't crumb or talk at all?

@Rauth

[Titus]

Well, he has a little over a day as of now to answer that question.

You didn't crumb or talk at all?

@Rauth

I was just going to wait until after I got to the light side in order to find out exactly what my role is before softing. There were some things I said that could be taken as softing though, now that I look at my ISO. Specifically my 'No softs' post and then eventual backing off of Aronis could have been taken by Aronis as responding to a soft he did before that point (If he did soft before that point, I haven't checked myself.) Why claim Masons though?

Masons would deter me from lynching which is NAI