Mini Normal 1914 - Sunshine Mafia - Game Over

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vote mush

Same number of letters, and even shares 3 of the same letters as 'scum'

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Sorry all, catchup and post(s) coming in the next 24 to 48 hours.

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sure, I dont really get why hes refusing to vote when he very clearly has reads to push

Can you show me the clear reads you were referring to here?

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By voting him and encouraging the change of Dragnalus' manifesto, we can forge a better Sunshine Town! Thank you in advance!

I'm not the 'good play' police.
I'm starting to think Drag is stubborn/blind town more than manipulative/not scumhunting scum.

Wanna vote Ingeel or Gentleman instead?

Best post to this point in the game.

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sure, I dont really get why hes refusing to vote when he very clearly has reads to push

Can you show me the clear reads you were referring to here?

No he can't.

LAL then???

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What? lol

You did what's called the amished tell. Criticizing your predecessor is considered by a bunch of people as a legitimate scum tell. I personally don't think it's a good tell but I can't really remember seeing someone do it and as town.

If you're town you've confirmed my theory that town would also do it(cause I certainly would if I felt someone I replaced was scummy) but I'll have a 2nd example

If you are scum you've hurt my future arguments

One of my last games I replaced Lowell as town and trashed his play***. Examples do exist.

***naturally I mislynched in LyLo so who was I to talk :-/

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By voting him and encouraging the change of Dragnalus' manifesto, we can forge a better Sunshine Town! Thank you in advance!

I'm not the 'good play' police.
I'm starting to think Drag is stubborn/blind town more than manipulative/not scumhunting scum.

Wanna vote Ingeel or Gentleman instead?

Best post to this point in the game.

True. I think 496 that comes after it far exceeds 201 in quality, though.
(Alisae replaced TrueGent.)

You're hilarious.

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Up to page 16. Wife just got home so finish the catchup later. Shouldn't take too long.

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Up to page 16. Wife just got home so finish the catchup later. Shouldn't take too long.

I was thinking you meant you'd be back the same day...

I was hoping last night but I crashed early. Tonight for sure, after the kids go down.

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I think the 3 scum are in {drag, alisea, mulch, syndesis, ingeel}

vote ingeel

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VOTE: IAI
Those reads are terrible.

I'm sorry you replaced into a scum slot.

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VOTE: IAI
Those reads are terrible.

Is terrible = scummy?

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Where'd u go?

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Interesting timing of that v/la.

I thought so too

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You're scumreading the most towny slots in the game.
It's scummy because I feel like you're trying to get people to untownread those slots.

So instead of asking me about those reads you just think their fake and attack me?

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VOTE: IAI
Those reads are terrible.

Is terrible = scummy?

2 of those 4 i am on record saying I agree with so they aren't terrible. And if he thinks you are scummy for them he's a hypocrite cause he should think I'm scummy for agreeing with at least half of them.

I think 3 or 4 of the 5 have votes too so it's not like alisea is really concerned about me getting them untown read.

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Also I feel like you're abusing the fact that TwoFace is tunneling town to just sheep him and get town lynched.
This is shown in that your reads are exactly the same as his.

Pretty sure he just listed sheep as his #4 scum read and I have sheep as a top 2 town read

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Was hoping to sort ingeel first but screw it, ur predecessor was scummy as all get out and ur reads are bad (bad = scummy yes)

vote alisea

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I want to hear more from mush and sheep first. If they move that way I will too. Also want to see where Mario is.

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I personally think this is TvT. I think Mario is scum and I want IAI's read on him. Alisae, are you willing to wagon Mario still?

Didn't like Mario early, but recent posting has been good. I have Mario as town

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LMAO
you litterally just copy and pasted the reasoning I used for vote you and you act like I'm not allowed to do that
That's also OMGUS at it's core.
Yeah, you're scum.

Yeah, you're scum. (Control c, control v)

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Nah Mulch.
this isn't a TvT.

Thanks for confirming ur scum then...

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Town doesn't also yes man TwoFace blindly.
IAI isn't interesting in genuinely forming reads imo.

Funny
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Cough cough that isn't town mindset cough cough

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VOTE: IaI

Hey buddy, why do you think Mario is town? And why are you scumreading one of the most townie players in the game?

Well my notes say I like 405, 408, 466, and 484. Also liked his back and forth with you.
As for your other question, who is the said townie player u are referring to?

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Please give me a quick answer on why Mario is town or I am going to assume you are talking out of your ass

Please show me some courtesy or we're gonna have problems.

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Alisae's posts scream authenticity in my opinion, except for their one vote on Mario.

Why isn't alisea trying to find where my reads come from vs just attacking me?

Is this more likely to come from town alisea or scum alisea?

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Alisae's posts scream authenticity in my opinion, except for their one vote on Mario.

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Mulch, what do u think about drags lack of scum reads?

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Okay lack of scum reads thru first 300+ posts of the game.

He eventually came up with scum reads, even said he was willing to work with his #3 scum read to get #1 scum read lynched lol

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I'd be willing to wagon <mush, IAI>

Top two scumreads for now

Want to see more from Syndesis personally, and when i get off mobile I'll format a full readslist

Care to elaborate those scum reads?

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I think the 3 scum are in {drag, alisea, mulch, syndesis, ingeel}

can I reiterate that this is a strange-looking scumpile

Why because you're on it? Do you town read any of the other group? Because a blanket statement like you just made is called shade, and only reinforces my scum read of your slot. The fact you, along with Alisea throw shade at my list without asking for explanations regarding those reads is scummy as all get out.

Your ISO pretty much sucks too. Your contribution to the game is terrible. And by sucks and terrible, I don't mean bad, but I mean scummy.

Of the five, I think mulch is my least scummy. He portrays a behavior that I often in find in misguided town players.

My preference is {drag, alisea, syndesis, ingeel} at the moment.

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why are you writing off scummy behavior as easy lynchbait

most of the time scummy behavior is just scum

Nope, Mulch is right on this one. Town often "come off as scummy" while Scum play it safe and lie low and wait for easy lynchbait to come along.

Play it safe example: Syndesis
Town coming off as scummy example: possibly Mulch

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i still think drag is town...

don't like IaI or Cooperative sheep but im comfortable keeping my vote on lalight, his posting has done nothing to dissuade me from my scumread

I've got you and Sheep as strong town reads, so I'd like to discuss your concerns with my slot and his.

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That is a pretty crappy ISO. Text book scum right there.

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Few meaningless questions, few +1 posts, almost no reads, bunch of promises to catch up, bad jokes, etc etc. Flash wagon anyone?

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...lack of voting history (never moved his RVS vote)

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Hey syndesis, how about a full reads list with accompanying reasons?

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I don't like how quiet alisea is right now either... :-/

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Drag, BTD6, please vote somebody. A day and a half from the deadline with 5 players with votes, there must be one in there you find scummy.

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of the players with votes, I'm fine with alisea, ingeel, and drag, probably in that order. If a syndesis wagon got started, that would interest me too. Alisea is prob still my #1 scum suspect so I'm comfortable there.

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VOTE: I Am Innocent

Currently, from the IaI/Syndesis interactions, this looks worse.

Examples please.

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Oh no. Sorry to hear. Take care.

Ditto, hope everything turns out okay

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I'm still waiting for more support on scum Alisea or a wagon to start on slightly less but still very scummy Synthesis.

But the lackadaisical attitude with this shaping up for a me vs Drag has me wondering if this is T vs T and scum are just waiting for us to cross vote.

Come on people....vote Alisea or flashwagon Synthesis!!!!

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Drag, you should probably claim at this point.

And hey, maybe cast a vote....novel concept I know.

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Alisae

and Mulch both lost town points in my universe from this recent exchange.

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I'm still waiting for more support on scum Alisea or a wagon to start on slightly less but still very scummy Synthesis.

But the lackadaisical attitude with this shaping up for a me vs Drag has me wondering if this is T vs T and scum are just waiting for us to cross vote.

Come on people....vote Alisea or flashwagon Synthesis!!!!

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MM4 you helped lynched obvtown

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VOTE: Drag

Frog wouldn't put on in, that I'm sure of.
Bye

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That makes very little sense IAI.
By your logic Ingeel should be scummity scum. A post saying Ali lost towniepoints means nothing.

No I'm wondering why Alisea thinks scum IAI would kill someone that scum IAI is targeting (town Alisea). Someone that is not scumreading IAI, that IAI had as one of his 2 biggest town reads.

Point being, none of it lines up. Yet Alisea starts D2 where he finishes up D1, well except the hammer on town Drag withstanding...

Nope, IAI is town. Alisea is most likely scum on this list.

Followed by Synthesis.

Ingeel may very well be scum too. Wouldn't be surprised by Mulch/Nacho either.

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Huh
I wonder why you killed sheep then

No you don't. You know I didn't kill Sheep.

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I'm town Alisae and I skimmed your ISO to see if I could get an early read and think you might be town.

I have some free time today so I'll probably be working through the highest posters to the lowest posters but if there's a case anyone wants me to look into for the meantime I can do that.

What posts made you think Alisea was town?

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Like, at this point he just needs something to say to defend himself here and he rather just go about it by making it seem like I'm wrong and I can't be right.

You still have never asked me about a specific read. You saw yourself and prob at least 1 teammate on my list of 5 and OMGUS came after me.

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Bruh
you're using what sheep said to ruin my creditability.
It kinda makes sense.

Nice try.

vote Alisea

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Hey IAI you mentioned earlier you had notes and by the sound of them they are excessive.
Can you please post them in-thread?

If I do, will you help me vote Alisea today?

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Bruh OMGUS is when I vote you when you vote me.
You voted me because I voted you.
That's exactly what you were doing in that exchange.
Just because you know buzzwords doesn't mean you know how they are used.

It's a retaliatory vote. You knew I suspected you, so you attacked first. O.M.G.U.S...

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Drag was obvtown

So why did you hammer?

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Alisea, who are your scum reads?

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I'm still waiting for more support on scum Alisea or a wagon to start on slightly less but still very scummy Synthesis.

But the lackadaisical attitude with this shaping up for a me vs Drag has me wondering if this is T vs T and scum are just waiting for us to cross vote.

Come on people....vote Alisea or flashwagon Synthesis!!!!

That second line was such a key to D1. Drag and I refused to cross vote. The game was stagnant, okay with either of us getting lynched until the day waned on and scum (cough cough Alisea) wanted to make sure a no lynch didn't happen and moved to Drag (the bigger of the two wagons).

I pushed and pushed and pushed for Alisea or Synthesis. The fact neither ever gained any traction is super telling.

Long story short, my vote stays on Alisea unless a Synthesis wagon overtakes it.

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VOTE: Drag

Frog wouldn't put on in, that I'm sure of.
Bye

There was still over 20 hours before the deadline...try again.

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Alisea, who are your scum reads?

You.

Your lack of stances is noted.

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Honestly.
It all adds up to scum to town being super fucking fractured.

This one in particular stands out to me.

Nacho, you're better than this.

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Ugh okay.
I think I'm going about this really obnoxiously because I'm just really annoyed at certain people, and tbh I would have faked a guilty on IAI.
I think I'ma just UNVOTE: and reset.

Yeah last time I've seen you fake a guilty you were scum, so I don't think that comment means squat.

Why are you so annoyed with me? And why if I'm you're only scum read would you unvote me? Methinks you are trying to avoid attention of this 1 vs 1 and instead trying to play the good townie card of "look at me trying to be open-minded". It all feels fake to me.

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nacho??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????!

Hello!
Is there something in particular you wanted or were you just concerned at me going silent? I'll be in and out for most of the day but my significant posting will probably happen ~9 hours from now.

tick tock...

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Yeah.
The gamestate is toxic and I'm not helping towards that.
I'm taking a breth and I'm resetting

because if I felt like I had to fake a guilty to get someone lynched tbh they're probably town

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what makes you feel that way about the underlined?

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I'm town Alisae and I skimmed your ISO to see if I could get an early read and think you might be town.

Like, this just feels fake to me and it's really making me raise an eyebrow. =(

I skimmed your ISO first because I was able to form a decent read on you in both girls <3 girls and dbz and you were one of the only people I was familiar with. I'm reaching out to you in particular because you seem quite frustrated with the game in general and regardless of our alignments I would like to help with that if possible.

Nacho knows my scum game better than anyone. Like to the point you're probably the player I most fear when I draw scum and you're on the player list. So why not ISO me first?

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VOTE: btd

You've lurked too long.

The apathy in this game is like I've never seen before. Lack of votes, lack of scum reads, lack of everything. I'm seriously close to replacing out, for the first time in my life it has nothing to do with being busy either.

People start playing, or replace out. Or I will.

unvote alisea

vote BTD

(pedit)
vote LaLight

Yeah not my biggest scum read, but if this helps gets the game going, so be it. Yeah, I'm sure this will bring on the haterz for me voting someone other than Alisea/Synthesis but oh well. If that gets people to take stances then I've helped the game.

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at this point since nobody else cares about the game, I will stop caring. i will lynch any of these people.

Alisae May 25, 08:41pm Jun 07, 02:41pm 0 days 21 hours 97
I Am Innocent May 24, 06:19am Jun 06, 12:05pm 2 days 0 hours 65
mush May 23, 09:45pm Jun 05, 04:57pm 2 days 19 hours 50
Syndesis May 23, 09:09pm Jun 08, 01:23am 0 days 11 hours 45
LaLight May 24, 12:57am Jun 06, 01:28am 2 days 11 hours 27
Ingeel May 23, 11:51pm Jun 06, 12:03pm 2 days 0 hours 26
iDanyboy May 24, 04:04am Jun 06, 05:43pm 1 day 18 hours 17
Nachomamma8 Jun 05, 01:42pm Jun 07, 06:17am 1 day 6 hours 16
BTD6_maker May 25, 03:42pm Jun 07, 07:27am 1 day 5 hours 9

Yeah I purposely was waiting to see if any of the lurksacks who are sitting on their unvotes voted since that last vote count. I'm here, I still feel alisea is the best vote today. But I'm willing to work with you, mush, and Mario.

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Four living players (not named nacho since he just replaced in) who have less posts than the mod. Add Synthesis who somehow has more posts yet I can't remember more than 2 of them.

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Seriously, the next person who posts that doesn't have a vote out there and doesn't add one, gets my vote for the rest of the day.

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@IAI, You put Co-Sheep in your town reads on Day 1 but looking through your ISO I couldn't find your reasoning, could you explain it?

I liked post 166, 205 (I believe this one I later said was the best post of the game up to that point), 206, 224.

I also finished a game recently where Sheep was scum (along with Alisea) and this was a totally different Sheep than that game.

VOTE: btd

You've lurked too long.

The apathy in this game is like I've never seen before. Lack of votes, lack of scum reads, lack of everything. I'm seriously close to replacing out, for the first time in my life it has nothing to do with being busy either.

People start playing, or replace out. Or I will.

unvote alisea

vote BTD

(pedit)
vote LaLight

Yeah not my biggest scum read, but if this helps gets the game going, so be it. Yeah, I'm sure this will bring on the haterz for me voting someone other than Alisea/Synthesis but oh well. If that gets people to take stances then I've helped the game.

How will this help get the game forward? Can you clear up your stance? Do you think his town or now?

Getting people to vote me? At least they'll be taking a stance. Half the player list I don't know who they suspect. Problem is that allows scum to move subtly to an easy mislynch at day's end. I'd rather force them to take stances, box them in or catch them in a lie.

As for my reads, they are pretty much unchanged from my catchup. I really liked Mario, TwoFace, Mush, Sheep as town.

Had LALight, BTD6, you/IDanny as null.

My lynch pile was Mulch, Syndesis, Ingeel, Drag, Alisea/TrueGent.

Do I think LALight is scum? Possibly, I could definitely see 1 scum in my null reads, laying low. Is he the best lynch candidate today, certainly not. Syndesis or Alisea would be the two there.

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There is no point in not claiming now. I have used my role fully.

I am a Town 2-shot Roleblocker. I used both of my roleblocks because I thought I may be unlikely to live to Night 3 without claiming/

1189 was a soft. I actually knew for sure that IaI was not the Mafioso who submitted the kill. I blocked IaI on Night 1 and TwoFace on Night 2.

1) Just because you use a role fully, does not mean you should claim. If you had something noteworthy to add, yes you claim. But all you did is take a bullet off your back and possibly put it on someone else that may still have a power role. (assumes you're not scum, which I believe you are).

2) You have like 8 posts in the game. Assuming you're town, why in the world do you think wouldn't survive the next night? I call bull crap!

3) Why wouldn't you save those shots for late game, when you could actually clear people? Because you're not a town RBer perhaps???

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im a vanilla townie

Scum doesn't do this.

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For a claim has to be believable the person has to have credibility. He's got absolutely none.

He's done literally nothing to help town all game.
He's lurked so bad he doesn't even have more posts than the mod. (Mod has more than double actually)
I don't buy town has a rolestopper and role blocker. Not with 2 cops
His targets were terrible.

Okay but why the hell would scum BTD even claim here?

Probably cause he knew he was next on the pecking order. Remember who was the lurker wagon right before LaLight? I happen to know it was BTD cause I voted him alongside TwoFace until I pedit saw TwoFace moved his vote to LaLight.

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VOTE: btd

You've lurked too long.

VOTE: btd

You've lurked too long.

The apathy in this game is like I've never seen before. Lack of votes, lack of scum reads, lack of everything. I'm seriously close to replacing out, for the first time in my life it has nothing to do with being busy either.

People start playing, or replace out. Or I will.

unvote alisea

vote BTD

(pedit)
vote LaLight

Yeah not my biggest scum read, but if this helps gets the game going, so be it. Yeah, I'm sure this will bring on the haterz for me voting someone other than Alisea/Synthesis but oh well. If that gets people to take stances then I've helped the game.

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Definitely believe BTD's claim here; as Syndesis noted, no real reason for him to claim here and in particular the discussion centering around the crumb rings very very true to me.

This is not town Nacho. Sorry you replaced into a scum slot...

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Why would town claim here?

Because his role had become useless and he felt it was strong evidence to clearing him (it is).

So would someone who is scum who received a couple of votes late Date 2 try a gambit like this?

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Not related to his claim. Not case.

You say this but all of your reasoning in your post is based on his claim,

He voted IaI day one and blocked him too - seems townie
You tunneled a townie day one he blocks you day two - seems townie

His first block matches with who he voted day two. His second block also makes sense.

Why is it so hard to believe there is both a role stopper and blocker in a game where there are two town role cops.

All you scum points are not as strong as you think they are.

Interesting, I did not remember him voting me, but Dany is right:

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Currently, from the IaI/Syndesis interactions, this looks worse. This is a weak scumread of mine. Given that we are close to the deadline, this is the lynch I would prefer today.

If we have a vig please shoot syn or BTD. There is no excuses for either to post so little, at least btd is a replacement but still.

There is no reason anyone should be hiding in the shadows unless you are scum.

This is a terrible idea. I have a busy life. That is why I do not post often. This is the reason.

The purpose of a Vig is to add a second Town-motivated kill. As such, it must always be on who Town collectively feel is scummiest. Shooting anyone else is strictly suboptimal. Shooting me simply because I have a busy life is a terrible idea. That said, I will try to post more.

"This is a terrible idea" does feel like something a towny might post when being threatened to be vigged...willing to rethink this...

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also
i don't want claims to be in lylo that's bad it gives way too much room for fake guilties etc.

Agreed. I am in favor of a massclaim as well.

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Syndesis, are you scum?

Yes he is.

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Actually I might just take you up on your offer.
VOTE: TwoFace
"I don't care if the actual ability does something different blocker and stopper are essentially the same role." is just bad. Like, what even matters apart from the actual ability?

You really think TwoFace is scum?

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I do think he's being genuine in his pushes - if he were scum faking here I doubt he'd roll out the blacklist threat again if he were already warned (and risk force-replace or modkill in a game where he was dominating) and if he truly believes what he's saying

then he can't be anything else but town

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BTD6, there's no need to keep pressing that; as he's said, he's made up his mind and won't be taking input from anywhere else

so the most productive thing we can do is play the game around him and simply let him watch

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Okay, there are 6 town left, I have trouble believing any one town would dismiss another town read knowing full well he would have to get every other town on board with a scum target. Hard enough getting 5 of 6 at this stage in the game....but all 5 when dismissing 1 town read.

Yeah I'm okay with Synthesis or Nacho at this point. Not as sold as I was originally on Bt6, sorry TwoFace.

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Actually I might just take you up on your offer.
VOTE: TwoFace
"I don't care if the actual ability does something different blocker and stopper are essentially the same role." is just bad. Like, what even matters apart from the actual ability?

You really think TwoFace is scum?

How else would you explain not caring what the roles actually do?
Like TwoFace is trying to lead the town by saying rolecops are equivalent to cops and roleblockers and rolestoppers are the same thing (despite acknowledging that the only thing that matters, the ability that is done, is different for both.)

I agree with you, rolecop <<< cop. Rolestopper is a doc, RBer is a JKer without the protection (which actually lines up with a rolestopper).

Still I don't see why town RBer would use shots N1 and N2, when they only have a 1/3 shot a blocking a NK assuming they target scum, and if they target town they can do more damage than good. Just dumb play, or scum, which is why I can't give bt6 a town read for that claim.

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Nacho what's your read on synthesis, and synthesis, what's ur read on nacho?

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This is not town Nacho. Sorry you replaced into a scum slot...

Is it because I disagree with you?
I think a more productive response would be explaining why you think I'm wrong; this game so far has been plagued with flat declarations of wrongness and I think that's contributed more to the apathy than anything else.

The lack of scumhunting is killing me. I've never seen this docile Nacho before. You are one of the best scumhunters on this site, and the way you destroy people is personally fun to watch. I've yet to get anything from that here.

As for the "why" part, I already said why town should have been at least "intrigued" by the claim. Why do it, it added very little of value. Could be he is just a bad player, but to see no hesitation from you was shocking. Now if BT6 is town RBer, I'd expect scum to buy in with as little consensus as we have around here on lynch targets. Plenty of options to go around...

Which is what you did.

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So would someone who is scum who received a couple of votes late Date 2 try a gambit like this?

Gambit was planned before he started receiving votes Day 2. If he's creative enough to fake a gambit like this I'd imagine he'd be creative enough to fake more than 8 posts and I don't think that a good scum player would waste a strong fakeclaim on the lurkshittiest scum partner ever.

This is the first post of the game you've made that had any feel of emotion in it. Sorry man, like I said, I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, cause if you're town ur a huge asset. Still at this point in the game I have zero idea who you even scum read at this point.

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Dany suddenly existing (or, well, more than I remember before) toDay is kind of hmm.

How is that hmm?

Three posts after you voted Nacho too. Chainsaw noted.

vote Nacho

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Oh by the way for those at home wondering why Syndesis may be scum, here is exhibit A:

VOTE

His only vote of the game.

In Post 5 none-the-less.

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EBWOP:

Hello everyone! I haven't played on MS for a while but it's nice to be back ^__^

VOTE: I Am Innocent

[insert cliched joke here]

Hate way you do a search and then quote a post...always screws it up.... :-/

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Syndesis, can you link me to a completed town game or three where you have a voting history like this?

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May 23rd to May 26, 35 posts by Mush

Since then, only 17 posts by Mush.

Voting history, been LaLight hard, Drag and ingeel each got a vote.

Mush I had a hard town read on you D1, why you disappearing now?

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I feel like TwoFace, Mario, and Dany are town. If I can find one more, I think this game can be salvaged. Mush, please start playing again, I want to see if it's you...

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So why no vote?

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Mod can you please force replace ingeel?

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Slept peacefully, do not lynch Alisae today

Will explain l8r(or nexy opportunity) if necessary

Last post by ingeel. If you are a power role, I want a claim today.

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Well to be honest, I am at work right now and haven't had to read any of it, other than the post with your reads and reasonings. Just found it odd that you finally caught up and we are still waiting on your first vote of the game.

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*haven't had time to read...

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You don't need to post a lot in order to be a power role.

You need to if you want to be believed. This is what I'm always complaining about. Doesn't matter if you are a pr or not. You still have the responsibility to play the game. Hiding in the shadows cause you are a pr is absolutely terrible and is playing against your win condition.

For a claim to be believed you have to look town. He doesn't. His claim is bs as far as I'm concerned. There is literally nothing he can do or say at this point to change my mind cause he hasn't been playing the game. He hasn't been trying to find and lynch scum.

His "targets" were garbage choices also.

Why would Town not claim when their role cannot be used any more?

I roleblocked two people I scumread. Am I supposed to roleblock people I Townread? Who would be better choices for targets?

You are saying that anyone who looks scummy but claims should not be believed at all. This is nonsense. Why would anyone claim at all then? If someone looks Townish they won't be lynched anyway and by your logic if they look scummy they won't be believed.

Also, I have been playing the game and trying to lynch scum.

VOTE: TwoFace

It looks a bit too much like you are simply trying to cast a lot of shade onto a claim you know is Town.

UNVOTE:
k

VOTE: Nacho

Dany suddenly existing (or, well, more than I remember before) toDay is kind of hmm.

How is that hmm?

Three posts after you voted Nacho too. Chainsaw noted.

vote Nacho

VOTE: mm4

scummiest player to me at this time

VOTE: nacho

Not Voted yet today: Ingeel, Nachomamma8, Syndesis

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To those not voting, please state why in the next post.

BTD6, you cast an early vote for TwoFace, is he still you're top scum read? Who else do you suspect?

Mush, who else do you suspect beside MM4? Do you really think a MM4 lynch will go through?

My top picks are still Nacho/Syndesis, with some concern in probably descending order ingeel, BtD6, and now Mush.

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Unofficial Vote Count
Nacho (3)
TwoFace (1)
MM4 (1)

No Vote (4) - Let's change this please.

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Bueller, Bueller, Bueller?

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Slept peacefully, do not lynch Alisae today

Will explain l8r(or nexy opportunity) if necessary

Hey Vedith, are you aware that this was the last post by your predecessor? Any idea why they said this? Because if you have a power role, I think it indicates that BT6 is prob scum, so not likely that town has

Odd Night RoleCop
Even Night RoleCop
2 shot rolestopper
2 shot roleblocker
Something else

I also see Dany has moved to Syndesis, I prefer that over Nacho actually, albeit slightly.

unvote Nacho
vote Syndesis

Very happy with this wagon, not likely to move except to prevent no lynch.

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Actually with tomorrow being LyLo if we mislynch, if anyone has a power role, you'd pretty much be countering BT6 so now is the time. Yeah pretty much claimed VT here...

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actually generally speaking if anyone has a good case on nacho (ie, not just "not doing anything" or "defended btd") I'd love to hear it.

How about YOU produce a case...on SOMEONE....ANYONE

Cause scum can very easily hide behind "show me a case on player X"

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> writes a 10 page wall
> not scumhunting

okay I guess

offhand I think you are scum, actually!

Yet no vote.

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VOTE: Lalight Thats L-1

I'm actually like really tempted to hammer right now because this game can go burn in hell.

but people still owe me things so I won't.

What did you mean that "this game can go burn in hell"?

Seems like you knew LaLight was town by that comment

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The first 3 are dead townie, sheep, alisea, lalight (not necessarily in that order)

The 4th claim (2 shot roleblocker) is btd6.

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Get out of here with ur role fishing theory and read the game. Look at my posts earlier today where I already said I'm in favor of a mass claim, which I think is a bad idea to do in LyLo because any CC claim results in a decision that ends the game if voted wrong.

No my question instead was based a very odd statement by your predecessor, which to me indicated inside info. If there is a counter to a 4th power role I want it done before LyLo.

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I'm happy with my vote.

Yep me too. That claim was pretty much crap.

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I like how when syn gets to three or four votes and the thread blows up. Makes me feel even better that we're finally on the right track.

Ps I like the supposedly backwards play of the two living claim players

1 should wait until late game when RBing has a better chance of catching scum but said they used it N1 and N2
The other should shoot a waste of space early in the game but still has a shot D3???

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Yeah at least one of these two are lying. Syn is for sure the better target.

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Nacho you believe both claims and that town has 5 power roles? I don't see town nacho 1) believing both and then 2) voting outside of these two slots with a mislynch to spare. In the slight case ur town please tell me why vedith over at least a 50% chance of hitting scum?

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Spoiler: listen I am so tired and have 0.2 spoons for this game, goodbye

True, scum never do anything you wouldn't expect.

the worst doubtcasting

Then were left with Syndesis who hasn't had any votes all game, he doesn't think nacho is scummy is his only read.

blatant misrep

Schedule conflicts meant that I had a late start in the game - how is that indicative of my alignment?

How should I know if that's true? It is true that you didn't start until you were called out on it, which seems like scum trying to skate by.

What does it matter if I don't give my reasoning for reads immediately - why does it make me more likely to be scum?

This isn't my reasoning it's BTD's, I just found it weird how he calls me out for it (even though I have explained my reasoning on it) but not others, and stranger that you didn't have a problem when it was said to me.

bad nacho sus

Writes a 10 page wall and proceeds to vote for someone who hasn't been playing on day 2&3.

etc

You do a lot of hmm'ing, you throw out questions and you do no analysis and take no stances in your post.

bad me sus

I don't see how you can put Ingeel higher than Syndesis when they have done about the same.

hello more bad sus

So no reason

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Shows you haven't been scumhunting

I am literally going to eat you.

I didn't realise this, this is pretty damning.

opportunistic af

I agree nacho is scummy in all his posts all he does is ask questions but does where little follow up and he doesn't have a stance on anything.
@Nacho who do you think is scum and why?

bad! nacho! sus!

also I am going to eat IaI too, I think.

So six claims, and you list two non-claimed players who you want "to eat".

Can we please lynch this?

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At this point I'm assuming there are no more claims...if so, now is the time to get everything on the table so we can reduce the lynch pool

A 4th claim would ensure that there would DEFINITELY be at LEAST two scum in the pool, and no lynching outside of the pool.

The amount of votes on non-claimed players is mind boggling.

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meh
rolestopper is basically just a 2-shot doctor- 2-shot doc, 2-shot rb is completely fine, rolecops don't do much usually. depends on what frog did with the mafia roles (roles like ninja/strongman/encryptor would work as guilties, whereas things like backup ICs would be equivalent to innocents)
in fact i'm not even sure that's enough town power

So you really thought your role could exist with the 3 dead town roles PLUS BTD's claim? I'm having trouble believing that.

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Dany please come back to syndesis.

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wow is dany actually scum i thought he was town \o/

So he moves off of you and onto Dany and that makes him scum in ur eyes how?

One more for lynch

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wow is dany actually scum i thought he was town \o/

So he moves off of you and onto Dany and that makes him scum in ur eyes how?

One more for lynch

what are you talking about and why are you attacking me this hard

I'm not attacking you so hard just wondering why ur attacking him so hard for moving off of you to the person he was voting before u?

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Vedith please explain what about Syndesis made you unsure about your vote. Cause I see zero reason that he is our best chance at hitting scum today.

Of the three claims, he's the only one who did it under duress (BTD and Mario both volunteered it, Syn did it as hammer claims were being offered).

His top two scum reads I've seen from him....the two players he wants to "eat it" are both outside of the 6 claims (3 dead, 3 alive).

No way town vig Syndesis believes both Mario and BTD are town power roles. 6 of 10 town having power....no way.

Yet he suspects Dany and to a lesser extent me.

Town vig Syn suggest lynching one of {BTD, Mario} and shooting the other if the lynch flips town.

But there has been ZERO MENTION OF THAT.

Syndesis is scum, this unvote by Vedith has me very concerned about this slot now...

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*Cause I see zero reason that he isn't our best chance at hitting scum today.

Stinkin double negatives...

*Town vig Syn WOULD suggest lynching one of {BTD, Mario} and shooting the other if the lynch flips town.

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Please define the difference between "Town giving up" and "Scum giving up"

As for the claim, it may have been as simple to buy him one day, maybe get one more mislynch and set to LyLo before being lynched himself. As for the meh lynch me, scum Syn has two options. Start playing, which would be contradictory to his play this whole game "wah wah, I can't figure this out". OR instead it allows him to continue to give ZERO reads outside of the two people scum reading him the most. Which do you think scum Syn would do.....yeah the latter right?

As for crying/expecting to scare you, I don't give a crap. If Syn gets lynched, which I surely hope he does, I expect to be a top NK candidate as I've pushed Syn harder than anyone all game, so I want my reads out there. If there was a bus vote on Syn, it was yours. I thought it when you made it, and you jumping off only solidified that. So call it crying, call it trying to scare you, I call it making sure people know my reads on players before I bite the dust.

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IAI, what is the difference between:
D3- we lynch syndesis!scum
D4- we lynch town

and
D3- we lynch town
D4- we lynch syndesis!scum

Because if we lynch syndesis scum today, it enhances our chances of hitting scum D4. We can clear some people that are not likely to have been syn's teammate, and have a better feel for who was protecting/ignoring syn earlier in the game.

In the second scenario, who do we lynch. Do we stay within the power role claims in case syn really isn't scum? Do we lynch outside of power roles in case syn is scum (maybe the only scum/we really do have 5 power roles)? Do we lynch someone that has been protecting/ignoring syn in case he is scum?

Too many questions, all it takes is town to be divided on one or two of them and we mislynch again. No the proper play is to take the safe bet. Money is on syn, we regroup D4 with a mislynch hopefully in hand still.

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Town vig Syn WOULD suggest lynching one of {BTD, Mario} and shooting the other if the lynch flips town.

Both you and TwoFace have done this today and it's not a particularly effective way of scumhunting unless you know someone extremely well - I don't think that this is the only possible play from a townie like you're proposing despite agreeing with you that there are too many power roles claimed.

If I'm a vig and I have a 50/50 chance of hitting scum, or 100% chance at night assuming the other gets lynched, you don't think that's a good play?

You also don't think town syn would be suspicious of AT LEAST ONE of Bt6 and Mario? Like for realz, you really think Syn thinks there are 6 town power roles?

He's still ignoring this fact...

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PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME ONE TOWN THING SYN HAS DONE ALL GAME?!?!?!

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why are we discussing a player who we get a public cop check on n3? serious question

IaI is claiming that there's absolutely no way that she could be town in any world. I don't think that's the case.

0 town evidence
one of 6 claimed power roles
only claimed power role under duress
had a vig shot but did not use it N1 and N2, never seen that before on this site

ZERO TOWN EVIDENCE

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why are we discussing a player who we get a public cop check on n3? serious question

What?

we find out syndesis' alignment tonight, so why do we want to lynch her today?

How?

syndesis be syndesis
syndesis be scum (not vig) or syndesis be vig
syndesis be shooting, syndesis be confirmed town
syndesis be not killing, no vig kill at daystart, syndesis be confirmed scum

I was a mafia vig before, so try again?

The resistance to the syndesis wagon now, and the thread blowing up when syndesis wagon first took off is just further evidence syndesis is scum

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VOTE: I am Innocent

Still pushing outside the 3 living claimed power roles. Cute.

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Please define the difference between "Town giving up" and "Scum giving up"

As for the claim, it may have been as simple to buy him one day, maybe get one more mislynch and set to LyLo before being lynched himself. As for the meh lynch me, scum Syn has two options. Start playing, which would be contradictory to his play this whole game "wah wah, I can't figure this out". OR instead it allows him to continue to give ZERO reads outside of the two people scum reading him the most. Which do you think scum Syn would do.....yeah the latter right?

As for crying/expecting to scare you, I don't give a crap. If Syn gets lynched, which I surely hope he does, I expect to be a top NK candidate as I've pushed Syn harder than anyone all game, so I want my reads out there. If there was a bus vote on Syn, it was yours. I thought it when you made it, and you jumping off only solidified that. So call it crying, call it trying to scare you, I call it making sure people know my reads on players before I bite the dust.

Well you actually summed it up for me.
If Scum, and looking to live for one more day, why give up more or less instantly?
If Scum and claimed vig, then yes they want to live for 1 day. But they would give some half arsed reads and push to wait until tomorrow to lynch them so they can prove themselves. There's no argument against it, and the fact that Nacho is the loudest against the wagon tells me that they can't be scum together, and therefore I see little resistance for the wagon.

I don't buy you trying to say your reads otherwise you would, instead you was trying to push me to keep voting there. As I said, that's stupid to try with me, kiddo.

Half arsed reads we got...DanyBoy and me.
Nacho, MM4, now you. That's a third of the player list. BT6 has little interest.

Really outside of dany, TF, and me, it has been very resistant.

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why are we discussing a player who we get a public cop check on n3? serious question

What?

we find out syndesis' alignment tonight, so why do we want to lynch her today?

How?

syndesis be syndesis
syndesis be scum (not vig) or syndesis be vig
syndesis be shooting, syndesis be confirmed town
syndesis be not killing, no vig kill at daystart, syndesis be confirmed scum

I was a mafia vig before, so try again?

The resistance to the syndesis wagon now, and the thread blowing up when syndesis wagon first took off is just further evidence syndesis is scum

In a normal game? If so, which game was this?

viewtopic.php?f=55&t=63370

Yep, normal game. Mafia Vig and Mafia Backup Vig actually.

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So your example is a large normal with 2 scum. My point stands.

WHO IS SCUM IN MARIO, SYN, BTD6?

PLEASE VOTE THEM.

KTHXBAI

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So your example is a large normal with 2 scum. My point stands.

With five town power roles (assuming your town and believe BTD6) why don't you believe scum could have a 1 shot vig?

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I was a mafia vig before, so try again?

This is a normal.

So was that.

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Everybody in your next post, please post your top 3 current scum reads.

1) Syndesis
2) Nacho
3) BTD6/Vedith

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So IaI believes the vig claim but it's Mafia Vig?

No just playing devil's advocate to ensure we get a scum lynch today.

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I have yet to hear one reason, one pro town thing syndesis has done this entire friggin game. I'm not willing to gamble my last mislynch when I have as close to a sure thing as I've ever had in MS.

We flip scum today, with a mislynch in hand, town still has a chance to win. We willy nilly this thing, and get to D5 with syn dead and no mislynch, I don't feel we will win.

Not a gamble I'm willing to take on a 1 shot town vig that refused to shoot N1 and N2. Like come on people you really believe that crap?

The fact MM4 and BTD6 are both refusing to vote this 6th claimed role truly boggles my mind.

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#iailynch1914

#trulygreatplayerrightthereiftown

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yes, syn is probably scum

Do you think there is any chance in hades that I could be a scummate of syn? How about Dany? Even TF?

If syn is scum we have a 100% chance of hitting scum today and then have greatly increased our odds for hitting scum tomorrow

If we lynch someone other than syn we have a 25% chance of hitting scum. Those odds suck sorry.

You say what does it matter waiting a day when he could be confirmed tomorrow? Yet you then vote me who would be pretty confirmed as town if syn was lynched today and flipped scum, right?

There is more of a chance that syn or a teammate of syn is a 1 shot mafia vig than we have 6 power roles. 5 is also highly doubtful but I'd say I'm willing to at least say it is possible. Six town power roles, nope I'd say chances are less than 1%.

So if one is lying who is it? It has to be syn right? So two questions:

1) how can I be ur #1 scum read when I've been pushing the hardest all game on now obv syn
2) is it worth a 75% chance of wasting our last mislynch so syn can prove he's scum tomorrow?

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Yeah here is one more food for thought, assumes syn is scum and MM4 is town:

1) syn gets lynched forces scum to kill MM4
2) syn doesn't get lynched scum can now kill whoever they want cause I'm letting syn make the shot and other 2 scum are staying quiet, no fear of MM4 motion detector

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what i'm afraid of is if we lynch btd today, they flip town and I get mislynched in a lylo position

If we lynch syn today you get NKd so last chance before I join the only other obv town on btd6...

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offhand I am inclined to trust BTD's claim over Mario's? but tonethings from Mario are a lot stronger, idk

also, mafia vig hasn't been normal since like. the last time I played here

actually yeah I think I'm going to eat IaI, bias correction be damned!

When I'm the only player to die next night, autolynch syndesis. Do not hesitate or believe any other crap like scum is setting up syndesis.

Nacho is prob syn's teammate. Vedith may be the third if it's not btd6. If there was a bus vote on syn it was vediths, and the way he got off the wagon was bad.

TF and Dany are town.

unvote syndesis
Vote BTD6

Pretty sure that's L-1

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And heading to MyLo or LyLo a town vig would never announce there shot if they were hoping for a clear. Cause scum need the same amount of lynches with a 1 shot vig or not in a 13 player game. In that case they could withhold a NK to set up a mislynch. Just more proof syn is not a town vig...

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9 living players
A) 6 non claimed or vanilla
B) 3 claimed

There is at least 1 scum maybe 2 in B, which means 1 or 2 in group A as well.

So 1.5 outta 6 probability (25%)
Or
1.5 outta 3 probability (50% chance)

Nope we lynch within the power roles.

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And heading to MyLo or LyLo a town vig would never announce there shot if they were hoping for a clear. Cause scum need the same amount of lynches with a 1 shot vig or not in a 13 player game. In that case they could withhold a NK to set up a mislynch. Just more proof syn is not a town vig...

If we mislynch today (such as by lynching me), Syndesis will probably shoot. If they shoot Town, we will be in LyLo (and probably lose instantly if people quicklynch Syndesis). If they shoot scum, we know that Syndesis was indeed a Vig regardless of whether a No Kill Gambit was performed. They are then confTown with one scum dead.

If you think shooting after a mislynch is the right action (which is a bit dubious) then this is good for Town. Syndesis shooting in the presence of a No Kill Gambit is better than Syndesis shooting without a No Kill Gambit so if the latter is good the former is better.

This assumes syn is town which he isn't. This game is not going to end today, mislynch or not. Sorry.

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Here's how scum syn tries to avoid lynch D4:

1) scum uses NK on me
2) syn says he shot me and scum must have withheld their shot or also shot me

Town must not fall for this and auto lynch syn D4

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9 living players
A) 6 non claimed or vanilla
B) 3 claimed

There is at least 1 scum maybe 2 in B, which means 1 or 2 in group A as well.

So 1.5 outta 6 probability (25%)
Or
1.5 outta 3 probability (50% chance)

Nope we lynch within the power roles.

You are assuming there is an average of 1.5 scum in B. This seems dubious. It is certainly possible that all of B are Town PRs. It is unlikely that two are scum. Suppose I assume an average of 0.5 scum in B.

2.5 out of 6 is 41.7% whereas 0.5 out of 3 is 16.7%. By this logic, lynching in the vanillas is better than lynching in the claimed PRs.

Lol 0.5?

50% chance that a 10 man town team has 6 power roles. Find 10 random games and I'll be shocked if u find 1 game let alone five lol lol lol.

I was being kind giving
50% with 5 town power
And 50% with 4 town power

Lol again

This is the worst town I've ever played with. Seven years on this site and a few more on another site prior to that.

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Plus, it keeps our PRs with roles alive if they are town.

One is out of shots
Another has one shot (well 0 since he's lying but I'll play along).
The other I agree should not be lynched but is useless while syn is alive since syn will be the one submitting the kill until we off him

But okay whatever u say genius

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VOTE: iDanyBoy
this is scum with the agenda to get BTD6 lynched

Nice to see ur last two votes are the players most likely to be cleared when syn flips scum. Noted.

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mod can you please double check and confirm we really only have 3 scum in this game and not 5? Thanks

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I'm willing to go back to syn?
.

TF, Dany, u too?

Btd6 if it's not syn it's prob u, can we count on u as a fifth vote?

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unvote btd6
Vote syndesis

Dany, TF, dunker we can still do this.

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Syn has a much greater chance of flipping scum than BTD6.

Consider:

1) One player voluntarily claimed. The claim came after both dead rolecops (so little fear of being caught in a lie). Claimed RBer instead of JKer (any time I've had a RBer on the scum team, we fake claim jailkeeper).

2) Another player claimed at L-1. One shot vig, did not use shots N1 or N2.

Which is more likely lying?

We lynch the most obvious scum first.

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VOTE: BTD6_maker
No other lynch is really viable and tbh I'm fine with this. Syndesis being scum doesn't clear Dany ftr although since Dany has resisted a wagon change, if BTD6 is scum it's probably not with 2F, Dany or Dunker- IAI is a large possibility. If BTD6 is town, Syndesis and Dunker are great bets for scum. Not entirely sure about the third.

This is a bad post. As was your stance on refusing to lynch syndesis esp since scum syn negates your role this night.

TF and Dany are my biggest town reads. If we just blew our last mislynch, and if only one NK happens (aka syn is lying scum), neither of these players better be lynched over the garbage that has played this game.

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glad my efforts are appreciated

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Syn you supposedly had a shot, did you use said supposed shot?

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After syn answers I'd like to hear Mario's results from N3

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But if she shot wrong it would just result in 6 game over unless they doubled up so ???.

Can we let syn answer first?

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Before we comment on it

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yes of course I shot I'm not a total idiot??

So who did you target? And why that target?

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I'm aware I want to hear who syn targeted and why?

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yes of course I shot I'm not a total idiot??

So who did you target? And why that target?

vedith, obviously?? the way they were acting around my claim yesterday was yucky, and their own claim stuff was weird. plus like. for basically everyone else I could think of reasons why I should townread them.

Not obviously. You hinted multiple times at shooting me or Dany. And suspecting the same two players. Why vedith just line up with any of ur play or previous suspicions.

And what does acting yucky around ur claim mean? And why the switch on the Dany read too, was his play also yucky/not warranting a vig shot?

Not obviously #2, if scum had a universally town read player and u really are town 1 shot vig, then the following could have happened:

Vedith protects universally town read teammate
You shot universally town read teammate, shot failed due to protection, but vedith dies due to weak activation

When I saw vedith dead I figured a frame job might be coming my way personally.

Either way scum did not shoot or shot themselves (if that is how vedith died vs vedith protecting a teammate).

All this to 1) frame syn or 2) make it look like they were framing syn (vedith sacrifice gives scum syn town cred)

Both are not optimal play from a scumteam that had been cruising to this point

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no motion around Nacho.

Why nacho?

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I'd be willing to wagon <mush, IAI>

Top two scumreads for now

Want to see more from Syndesis personally, and when i get off mobile I'll format a full readslist

Knowing where scum like to stick teammates, I'd say mush (and myself which I know) arguably not likely scum but syn fits the profile (not officially scumread but wants to see more, this is where scum usually stick a teammate)

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Ill vote Mush if we can get enough.

Both he and his predecessor pushing mush. Not seeing dunker as likely scum.

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Vediths ISO has a lot of focus on syn and Mario both with varying scum reads that later disappear.

I still don't believe town has 6 power roles and am likely voting in (Mario, syn)

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yes of course I shot I'm not a total idiot??

So who did you target? And why that target?

vedith, obviously?? the way they were acting around my claim yesterday was yucky, and their own claim stuff was weird. plus like. for basically everyone else I could think of reasons why I should townread them.

no motion around Nacho.

Why nacho?

He was attacking me (town) and defending Syndesis (scumread) and I never expressed suspicion that would make him avoid being the killer.

Which of these two sounds more legit? To me it's not even close.

Then there is which of these two has and continues to scum hunt? Once again, not even close.

Then there is which of these two claimed under pressure of lynch and which claimed voluntarily as the 6th claimed power role? Which is more likely to be scum? Once again, not even close.

And then there is the finality, if we're wrong on which is town/scum, which mislynch hurts us more, the one out of shots, or the one who could still catch scum if left alive?

If you feel that 6 power roles is extremely unlikely for town, then all four questions/answers point to lynching syndesis today.

PS - I stand by what I said D3, if there was a bus vote on syndesis it was vedith...

vote syndesis

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Sorry still don't see how this is town.

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yes of course I shot I'm not a total idiot??

So who did you target? And why that target?

vedith, obviously?? the way they were acting around my claim yesterday was yucky, and their own claim stuff was weird. plus like. for basically everyone else I could think of reasons why I should townread them.

no motion around Nacho.

Why nacho?

He was attacking me (town) and defending Syndesis (scumread) and I never expressed suspicion that would make him avoid being the killer.

Which of these two sounds more legit? To me it's not even close.

Then there is which of these two has and continues to scum hunt? Once again, not even close.

Then there is which of these two claimed under pressure of lynch and which claimed voluntarily as the 6th claimed power role? Which is more likely to be scum? Once again, not even close.

And then there is the finality, if we're wrong on which is town/scum, which mislynch hurts us more, the one out of shots, or the one who could still catch scum if left alive?

If you feel that 6 power roles is extremely unlikely for town, then all four questions/answers point to lynching syndesis today.

PS - I stand by what I said D3, if there was a bus vote on syndesis it was vedith...

vote syndesis

I still stand by this. I think the best move is to lynch syndesis, and if he flips scum, either Mario dies tomorrow or we have confirmed town.

I still don't get why scum Mario would be the sixth claim knowing BTD6 (4th town power role) and syndesis (5th town power role, assuming town) were both power roles. Let town mislynch both BTD6/syndesis and walk away with the easy win.

Nope, syn is still scum. Vedith knew I was coming after him after syn flipped scum, so they tried a gambit. Trust me peeps, this is the better road to go...

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I hardclaim Town Motion Detector

N1- I saw motion around Co-operative Sheep.
N2- I saw no motion around iDanyBoy

This is why I want to lynch in the pr pool \o/

Why does scum Mario do this? After 3 flipped town claims, BTD6 claimed (which we now know was true) and syndesis claimed.

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Weak Doc could have just been a counter to 2 Shot RBer.

First was to give a false negative result for one of the rolecops, the latter to give a false positive result for the rolecops

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My vote is going to be on syndesis. Being LyLo I'll wait for everyone to chime in before I do. Not going to say yet who I think the last scum is figure it is better to keep them in the dark so they don't know who to NK

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Syndesis, come out come out wherever u are...

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vote syndesis

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If she's scum, she knows the odds are overwhelmingly against her at this point so she doesn't have motivation to demonstrate otherwise.

i have no idea wtf is happening in this stupid game any more

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Nope not scum here.

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Nacho I'm strongly leaning ur slot as last scum so if ur town u need to sell me on why dunker is scum.

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UNVOTE:
Gonna analyze this later

RVS voted Ingeel (scum), no reason for unvote or move to a new wagon.

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TwoFace you need to replace out for that pun

did you ever catch up? saying you're going to catch up and then posting a joke a couple hours later is suspect. what are your thoughts on the mario - dragnalus interaction?

It's called a case of severe laziness, precognition and just getting Rainbow Six Seige

All seriousness, no that's never a good reason to put suspicion on anyone

Do you have any scum reads?

+ for dunker's slot

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back and forth between dragnalus and mario/twoface is pretty mind numbing. from what I can gather, Mario doesnt think drag is mafia, drag doesn't think twoface is mafia, twoface im unsure of. not fun reading.

I think i'm going to just sheep sheep.

VOTE: Ingeel

how many posts is this dude gonna make before giving us a scum read? #202 was especially bad.

More positives for Dunker's slot. This vote pushed Ingeel to a tie for first with Drag.

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Jord was actually very suspicious, I probably would have scumread him too if I had replaced into a different town spot.

I think Mario could get lynched today, if I can make a good enough case on him

aww man now I hope you are actually town. I don't think you are but that post you just made is my ace up my sleeve in future games if you actually are. If you're scum you made me lol.

What? lol

What? lol

You did what's called the amished tell. Criticizing your predecessor is considered by a bunch of people as a legitimate scum tell. I personally don't think it's a good tell but I can't really remember seeing someone do it and as town.

If you're town you've confirmed my theory that town would also do it(cause I certainly would if I felt someone I replaced was scummy) but I'll have a 2nd example

If you are scum you've hurt my future arguments

Worth pointing out as well.

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Then why have you not scumread anyone so far? You have townread a LOT of people, once shaded someone for not doing scumreads, then said ita gain, but your best push is voting gent for "voting without a reason."

response to mush, who "shaded" ingeel for no scumreads. Chainsaw?

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his 2nd post was pointless fluff. he disappeared when he was called out on it, returned to buddy up to the two players dominating the thread at the time. i called him out on this, he said he wasn't buddying he was just townreading. he has done nothing else since.

doesn't look town to me.

Fair. Would you be willing to wagon LaLight with me?

Mush vote on ingeel when this request was made.

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I ISO'd Ingeel and this, this and this is they townreading a variety of different people and here is a scumhunting. Yeah, this is not a mistake, there's no link. There's no scumhunting whatsoever. But everyone is town

GREAT post

The one thing I can say is that I think scum tend to scumread one person at a time and say TvS a lot, not really TvT

Defending Ingeel (scum)

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UNVOTE:

I actually really liked that last post from Mush.

Ok, VOTE: Mario

My vote is coming back here again. You just townread 2 more people

3 posts after mush moves his vote from ingeel, mulch now town reads mush

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I think the 3 scum are in {drag, alisea, mulch, syndesis, ingeel}

vote ingeel

I so hope the last scum is Nacho (formerly mulch)

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VOTE: IAI
Those reads are terrible.

Hope ur around for the post game chat

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VOTE: IaI

Hey buddy, why do you think Mario is town? And why are you scumreading one of the most townie players in the game?

Follows Alisea onto me, after what is a pretty accurate scum list (3 for 3 assuming mulch is the last scum)

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Townbloc: Mulch, Alisae, I am Innocent, TwoFace

interesting he had yet to cast any suspicion syn or ingeel's way yet does not include them in the town bloc

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I mean you want Mario but you keep finding excuses to hop off his wagon. So maybe to and he are actually scum together. But I like my drag/you narrative better.

Anyway if we both are scum then if you vote him then he would be scum and you can deal with me later, right?

except Mario was town...

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Im down for an IaI lynch as a third option

was just in his town bloc...

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I want to wagon syndesis

Over ingeel. My two scumreada have barely interacted with syndesis while they are pushing ingeel

Interesting.

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Mario>Drag>syndesis>Ingeel

followed by this...

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Okay Dunker's voting history doesn't help his case, but would scum Dunker take me to LyLo over Dany, who was pressing Nacho very hard day 5? I purposely stayed silent day 5 so scum wouldn't know where I was leaning.

Jordarrian was pretty scummy as pointed out by TwoFace. Mulch I felt was townie, but post teammate flips, I see his chainsawing of ingeel and he comes off much less rosy. Especially with hard pushes on Drag and Mario and softer pushes on TwoFace, myself, etc. Nacho, I stand by what I said earlier, this is not town Nacho.

If I'm wrong, props go to Mush who I had a strong early game town read on, and is prob driving this choice as much as the connections between mulch and flipped scum.

Vote Nacho

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yeah, you won, good guy or bad?

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Well this was a great end to a great MS day for me. Sorry all...