Mini 1927: Breaking Bad Mafia - Game Over

[Chickadee]

I won't be around today.

[Chickadee]

well, at least this game hasnt gone mental unlike the last one i was in (record i think for number of posts!).
Gut telling me uzi town, fos Vax for being so reasonable. VAGUE READS THOUGH.

Cool, that should eb enough to get me lynched by the time i wake up :p

Based on?

LUV's entrance is the same in every game. And he only has the one post so far.

[Chickadee]

Agree, that townread is a little weird, but I think they wanted it to be weird to stir stuff up.

VOTE: Edosurist

Let's get everyone in the game.

What makes you say that?

[Chickadee]

@ Chick - what are your reads so far?

re: uzi - I've had 2 games with him, one where he was town, one where he was scum. As town he seemed happier, as scum he was uptight. His opening post seemed friendly, more town uzi.
I cant emphasise enough how much this is a provisional read. But i think any reads are better than none, they get discussion going, and hopefully force scum to start taking stances, which they don't like doing.

@ the bolded:

You're kidding right?


I seriously want you to explain to me how you have ANY SORT OF READ, provisional or otherwise on LUV based on one post. One post that is exactly like every other entrance post to every game he's in.

He posts that exact same thing

in every game

. It's absolutely NAI no matter how you look at it.


I'm just really confused right now. Backhand even came in and tried to give you an out saying you were staring things up. But you came in and stuck to your guns.

[Chickadee]

A50!

Welcome! Let's work together!

[Chickadee]

I seriously want you to explain to me how you have ANY SORT OF READ, provisional or otherwise on LUV based on one post.

already explained it in the previous post. It was a gut, instintive read based on meta. No biggy.

Desperado is exactly right though. I'm challenging your meta read here.

Because your meta read is based on a post LUV makes EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. Regardless of alignment, he makes the one post you're reading him off of.

Do you at least get what I'm saying?

[Chickadee]

I feel like maybe I need to give examples so you can understand.

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Just a random pick of some of his games, and his opening post in them.

He does have some game where he opened with RVS votes, but those are mainly early games. He doesn't do that anymore.

[Chickadee]

A50!

Welcome! Let's work together!

OMG! I can't even.. OMG! She LOVES ME. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH

Like, of course we can work together, just as soon as I get myself acquainted with some folks here.

I see you have a little something going on with Mozamis. I can see where you're coming from but I'm not sure it warrants a vote at this time, Do you?

I don't think it does either. I have Mozamis in my null scum pile right now, but their consistent defense isn't very redeeming. They're seeming rather stubborn.

[Chickadee]

LUV, there's been a lot of talk around you. Any thoughts?

[Chickadee]

LUV why arent u doing that thing where I can read u easily.

Yea he's not doing it for me either.

[Chickadee]

@Vecna, I fail to see how I've been scummy.

[Chickadee]

I have a hard time reading wisdom. We TVT'd alot in TTYL and wasted a fair amount of time while scum hid. Id rather focus elsewhere.

Thats not a very good reason not to be looking at him here though. Focus elsewhere if you must, but don't write him off.

[Chickadee]

3. when he comes back he seems upset there are not more votes for his scum read but while under pressure decides to drop his vote and move to somebody he hasn't really mentioned for no reason.
4. When asked for a reason he refuses to give one.

Seems too scummy to be scummy.

No such thing.

Ok, so early reads list:


Town: Moz
Chick
Almost
Rob

Pos scum: Wisdom
Danny Boy
Backhand
Vecna

Null: Everone else.

Think this is pretty good, my place on it aside--I'm leaning town on Vax as well. Worth pointing out that LUV, gerry, and desperado still haven't done anything really.

Edosurist, last time you checked in you were pursuing robb and mozamis, still feel the same way after the last couple days?

Backhand, you can go in my town lean pile for this post.

[Chickadee]

No such thing.

Yeah there's is. But that's not the case here I don't think.

It gets really wifom-y

It's debatable.

But I think scum is definitely capable of pulling off an act "too scummy to be scum."

[Chickadee]

Im still fine with a scumread on both moz and chickadee here. Superficial activity and playstyle.

Guess it does work to impress the masses. Yawn

So you find me scummy just for my play style?

You haven't even played with me. So are you basically saying you want to policy lynch me?

[Chickadee]

so what kind of reads do you have now chick? who are you scum reading and why?

I'm about to head out the door for work, but I'll get to this either on lunch break or tonight when I get home.

[Chickadee]

Doing a quick jog back through the thread here's where I'm at right now:

Moza town - A bit stubborn but I get town vibes from later posts
Dany scum lean - Post 26 pinged me, because he said I was doing something I wasn't. Other people pointed this out, so I know it's not just me seeing it.
Backhand null scum - Defended Moza in the whole LUV-read-fiasco. Seemed to be on the same page as Moza
Edo still seems to be in RVS? I have limited play experience with them.
Persivul totes scum. Look at that smug avi. Bet he knows everything about the game.
A50 - it takes me a second to get a read on A50, but if I had to say something right off the bat, it feels like town A50. That's not going on much though.
Vax - I can't read him well. I can't remember if I've ever been in a position to have to read him. Maybe once?
Vecna - scum lean
Desperado - Defended me, but it looks like it was just something to do rather than a real stance. The only time I've played with him we were both town and I was horrendously wrong at reading him. So I'm gonna give this one some time.
Rob Town lean - proactive, I like where he pushes things
LUV Town Lean
Vecna prob scum - I'm failing to follow his thought process. He scum reads both Moza and me because of our interaction. That's some elaborate scum theater there. Also pointing out the thing between Wisdom and Robb. Looks like he's pushing people who are poking things and trying to game solve.
Wisdom null scum - I say null scum because he could just be town that doesn't like to work with people, which is not helpful at all.

Gerry's V/LA ends today. Forgot about that until I skimmed back through. Was wondering where he was. We should be hearing from him soon hopefully.

[Chickadee]

Just realized I have Vecna listed twice. I started this list on lunch break and then finished it just now upon returning from work and catching up on what happened during the day. So, the second listing of Vecna is the accurate one.

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Vecna
My top scum read right now.

[Chickadee]

I'm really not clicking with you Desp. You vote me, then defend the point I was making, then say you're fine with where your vote is. What about that warrants '???'?

[Chickadee]

VOTE: Wisdom

sup?
newbies are allowed to scumread me, youre not

You're being VAGUE. Not "manipulative" I'd give you that, but I can't get a hint of what you're up to.

THIS RESPONSE though gives me pause. You would've probably attacked me full force if you were scum. Hmmmm.

UNVOTE:

I'm nor sure I know where to vote here. Uzi, maybe?

VOTE: LUV

Is that a pressure vote? Because LUV is V/LA until Friday at least.

[Chickadee]

LUV Town Lean

I don't get this one. Would you be kind enough to elaborate a little?

It's a lean, so it's weak. I don't think Scum!LUV would have voted Moza the way he did.

Is that a pressure vote? Because LUV is V/LA until Friday at least.

Is he? GDI, how many on V/LA? How about Edosurist? Is he V/LA too? What about Danny??

Like, I can't get an initial read on half the players. *sigh*

UNVOTE:

I need to reread stuff.

Gerry and LUV should be the only people on V/LA, unless I missed someone. Gerry's ends today though.

You can vote ppl who are on vla

Very true. Best done when you think they're scum though. Pressure voting someone on V/LA doesn't do much good.

[Chickadee]

Lets get some more votes on Uzi.
Bet his internet reception getss better...

He really is having technical difficulties. Can confirm that. He's not one to make up fake reasons to be gone. Also, I haven't talked to him since Sunday except for a quick text Monday night. Believe me, I'd be the first to know if he were connected.

[Chickadee]

Not saying LUV isn't scum. He might be (I have a town lean on him), just that now isn't the time to pressure him. It's not going to make him appear.

[Chickadee]

Not saying LUV isn't scum. He might be (I have a town lean on him), just that now isn't the time to pressure him. It's not going to make him appear.

What has he done to warrant the town lean?

I answered this on the previous page. Basically I feel like his vote was made by town!LUV

Because he stated it meant I wanted to lynch him for policy lynch reasons?

I'm a lady

Is vecnas reasoning for voting anyone "playstyle"

Play style is a word they used in their limited reason to scum read me.


Vecna, I'm not trying to misrepresent you. I'm trying to understand you. I don't understand your thought process at all. I don't think that the kings ive said have been drastic jumps from what you said. You use the word playstyle. You single out Moza and me. Please do a better job of explaining so I don't have to try and fill in the gaps if you don't want me to be doing so.

[Chickadee]

I think Vax is saying based on his role he doesn't think dayvig would be included.

[Chickadee]

so you think danny is scum

and you acknowledge that you read his serious or reactions to vecna's reaction test

but you're still confused about why i voted him??

i didnt say he was scum, i said he was in my scum pool.
Thanks for the misrep, though.

We have different definitions of scum pool.

Anyone in my scum pool is someone I would vote for. I vote for people I think are scum. If they're not really in my scum pool they're scum leans, or null scum.


I feel like a lot of this game has been people saying one thing, and it meaning something completely different to everyone else. (play style, scum pool, etc.)

[Chickadee]

I think one of them is likely scum. I have a hard time telling which one. I've had a long day though. 12 hours of work, and it wasn't all pleasant. So I think I'm going to bed before trying to make any reads. I want to look it all over when I'm not stressed and tired.


Pedit: as far as the Vecna stuff goes, I'm in the same boat as Robb. Staying on Vecna until given a good reason not to.

[Chickadee]

Desperado, your votes on Dany keep seeming odd. It was odd yesterday and it's odd today. It's kind of making me want to town read you, only because of our (admittedly limited) play history. But not quite enough.

[Chickadee]

no, you asked us to explain our votes

Not really. I'm afraid Desp was very specific in asking "why are you

still

voting there?" after he started with "

now that he's claimed poison doc

and marie's flip specifically says she only protects against gunshots" (btw, who is marie? I thought it was vecna we lynched!)

@Wisdom: Sometimes you do confuse me. You said to trust you (I'm paraphrasing) and I do, but some of your pushes and responses don't even make sense. The man clearly asked why you were STILL voting Vax after he claimed Poison Doc and Vecna flipping Doc who ONLY protects from Gunshots. That's a pretty legitimate question to ask IMHO.

Currently I wouldn't even consider lynching in Wisdom, Chicka, Desperado & Vax. I'm also unlikely to vote Robb/Moza.

My preferred lynches are in gerry (getting targeted by a 3P posisoner doesn't clear him and specifically disliked his attempt to conf!Town himself precisely for that reason), or iDanny (I didn't like him yesterday, but let's see what he has to say today). Backhand and Edosurist were town leans yesterday but considering both Vecna and LUV flipped green I'd relegate them both to null but only by PoE.

Marie was Vecna's flavor. You have it straight.

Currently I wouldn't even consider lynching in Wisdom, Chicka, Desperado & Vax. I'm also unlikely to vote Robb/Moza.

Whos left?

He literally laid it out in the part of the post you didn't quote.

Also you want me to heal gerry, but hes might b scum?

It would confirm you. I would say heal Gerry.

Desperado, your votes on Dany keep seeming odd. It was odd yesterday and it's odd today. It's kind of making me want to town read you, only because of our (admittedly limited) play history. But not quite enough.

Hey, Chicka .. let's build our own town block, shall we? First, I think we can agree to exclude our own selves from the lynch pool. Then we can remove Vax because his claim makes most sense with how the Vecna flip was worded.

Now we both TR Desp (I think that was a town lean expressed by you on him in the quote) and I'd also remove Wisdom from the lynch pool as I think this is Town!Wisdom despite his weirdness.

I'm not going to hold you to any of your previous day reads as flips must've surely affected some of them, so that leaves us with gerryoat/Robbnva/iDanyBoy/mozamis/Backhand/Edosurist for a theoretical lynch pool (4 of which were on the Vecna wagon and 2 were off it). Over to you.

I'm gonna walk through this for my own benefit.

Ok, I agree we take ourselves out. I'm not sold on taking Vax out of the lynch pool. More on that later. Desp is a town lean, but not completely off the table for my lynch pool, but there are better lynches to be had. I don't have enough experience with Wisdom to declare town or scum yet. I would maybe put him in the same category as Desp. I have Robb in my town pool. I like the effort he's putting in to look at things.

With the LUV flip, Moza isn't looking too great to me right now. He was too eager to declare LUV town at the start of the day, then said LUV scum. He was all over the place. It reads to me that he maybe knew LUV was town. I'd be fine with Moza in my Lynch pool. Dany I think just has a very strange play style. I'd put him as a scum lean, but again feel like there are better places to look. Edo and Backhand are mostly null for me right now.

I really don't like Gerry's reaction to being poisoned. It in no way clears him like he seems to think it does.

I've gone back for a quick ISO of Vecna's last posts, and while I believe he was wrong about both Vax and Wisdom I think he might have had a point in the way gerry hammered him before he claimed.

I also had Danny as my preferred lynch yesterday, so I'm voting him again today unless he genuinely manages to change my read on him, and would actually recommend gerry NOT be cured/healed.

Interesting.



Interesting theory, don't know if this is too crazy or not. Vax is actually a 3rd party poisoner with a poison doc given as fake claim? Seems like with a poisoner though, a poison doc would be present too. Just a thought.

[Chickadee]

I think you're thinking too much into flavor. But, I guess you bring up a decent point in that. Regardless, why did you ignore my scenario? What if vax is actually poisoner and his only way to survive was to claim poison doc.

This is along the lines of what I'm thinking too.

It still doesn't clear you though.

[Chickadee]

Interesting theory, don't know if this is too crazy or not. Vax is actually a 3rd party poisoner with a poison doc given as fake claim?

i already said this

When I post I don't read the catch up posts that happen while I'm posting.

[Chickadee]

Also when I said it cleared me, you have to understand that on Epicmafia Poisoner is a mafia only role, so my thought is that poisoner has to be mafia. meaning since I know I'm town, and I think that posioner and poison doc wouldn't be the same alignment, I wouldn't claim poisoned if I was teamed with him, I would code it. And from his point of view, poisoner could only be mafia, meaning that i would have to be town.

That makes sense. However, it doesn't have to play out that way here. But you get that now, so I don't really care to bash this point over the head.

[Chickadee]

very unlikely to be a 3rd party in a mini btw.

Desperado, your votes on Dany keep seeming odd. It was odd yesterday and it's odd today. It's kind of making me want to town read you, only because of our (admittedly limited) play history. But not quite enough.

So what is your read on Desp? This seems really vague.
And why do you think Uzi died?

catching up

[Chickadee]

very unlikely to be a 3rd party in a mini btw.

Um no. I've seen it. Multiple times.

Desperado, your votes on Dany keep seeming odd. It was odd yesterday and it's odd today. It's kind of making me want to town read you, only because of our (admittedly limited) play history. But not quite enough.

So what is your read on Desp? This seems really vague.
And why do you think Uzi died?

LUV was gone most of D1, his death doesn't really give us much information. I suppose that could be why he was chosen.

And I've been over the Desp thing. I have a town lean on him.

and would actually recommend gerry NOT be cured/healed.

so you are saying Gerry is scum?
then why arent you voting for him.
Fos.

He went into this. If Gerry is scum, why don't we just let him die of poison? It's essentially a free kill for town.

cause now I actually have to try lol

this does worry me a bit.]
town gerry doesnt really try/ is borderline troll.


gerry back to null.

Are you familiar with Gerry

(No offense, I like playing with you Gerry)

also LUV was a weird kill and they know each other, she might have been worried about him reading her?

lol thats why i asked her about why Uzi was killed. I was hoping to trap her, ut i guess that wont happen now lol
but yeah, it is possible.

Yea, I'm gonna be that obvious and kill my boyfriend.

VOTE: a50
I actually like the point you made about a50. I was already suspicious of him and I question a bunch of his reads. Plus he acts like he's town leader when he's done nothing to earn it

Nah, A50 is town.
Tell me, what does it take to earn town leader?

[Chickadee]

I think everyone scum reading A50 is reaching. Robb, you just don't like that he's being active and trying to get out in front of things. I think he's doing a great job of trying to get activity going. And I don't think his reads are that odd.

What I do think is odd is Moza's insistence on me listing my reads. And doing so by quoting parts of posts where I list my reads. He did the same thing to A50. I think Moza is showing some of the same "leader" qualities you're not liking in A50. Thoughts?

[Chickadee]

I think everyone scum reading A50 is reaching. Robb, you just don't like that he's being active and trying to get out in front of things. I think he's doing a great job of trying to get activity going. And I don't think his reads are that odd.

What I do think is odd is Moza's insistence on me listing my reads. And doing so by quoting parts of posts where I list my reads. He did the same thing to A50. I think Moza is showing some of the same "leader" qualities you're not liking in A50. Thoughts?

whhy do you TR A50??

I've seen a lot of scum A50 and this feels a lot different. He's making a lot of sense to me.

[Chickadee]

How is that making sense at all, Chickadee. Explain that post above.

The thinking is not that you poisoned someone and then claimed poison. The thinking is that you intentionally did not poison someone, so that you could claim to be poisoned. Then if your poison shot is x-shot you wouldn't have wasted it. You just weren't understanding what A50 was saying.

[Chickadee]

What I do think is odd is Moza's insistence on me listing my reads.

i think you and almost are scum.
scum hate gving reads, because...they have to lie.
so yeah, i keep asking you and almost for reads.
note people like Rob, and Backahand, and Desp (ok, his read is mainly "Moz is a twat" lol -BUT ITS A READ) ARE GIVING OUT READS without being asked
because they are town.

Why do you keep doing that?


VOTE: Mozamis

Stop quoting only parts of my posts to make me look scummy.

[Chickadee]

Catching up now.

[Chickadee]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck I had more typed out and I copied it intending to keep reading and paste it in later....and then I copied something else.

The gist of what I had copied and commented on was yes, I did pick up A50's crumb. I wasn't sure at first, and decided to roll with it, but then he was saying some things that solidified it for me.

And as for my reaction, WHAT reaction? Are you kidding me? Or are you just riding the hype?

@Wisdom/Chicka/Desp/Vax/Edo/Backhand (Dany & Moza can also weigh on of they want to, but I thought I'd save you the embarrassment bc I SR you both): Have I been toxic? Overly aggressive? Weird (beyond my usual, that is)? Am I mistreating gerry?? Your opinions matter to ME, so please respond to this (You cab do it in spoilers if you don't want to clog the thread). THANK YOU.

You were a bit aggressive with Robb.

@Chickadee, why do you say that everyone suspecting a-fitty is reaching when the explanation you give for your townread is that they don't look like a50!scum? If others don't know what their scum play looks like from past experiences like you do, then they can't be expected to have the same perspective you do and wouldn't be "reaching."

^I wrote this before Almost claimed, and I believe him here. I'm still looking for an answer to this, though.
Robb and gerry are both wrong about A50. With the crumbs and the stream of consciousness that came from A50, I believe it.

I believe Vax is the poison doc, and though I was initially mad about him saving gerry, he made the right choice. Vax is the only one with the role-PM, so I'm gonna trust that 3P is unlikely. If there's no 3P, anybody targeted by the poisoner is town.
@Wis 733 You say it's already explained why gerry is still scum. I don't see it.

Simple answer at A50 re: has he been toxic.
@A50 Do you really think Chickadee found your crumb? I'd rather hear confirmation from her than from you on that.

Today I'd lynch Backhand, Robb, Dany. I'd take Desp later if Dany flips town, but otherwise Chickadee would fall next. Based on POE, things already look pretty good for us.

I didn't want to draw attention to A50 being a cop. And aside from that, I really didn't think anyone's reasons for scum reading A50 were that good. I felt like at least a few of them were coming out of misunderstandings with his posts that could have been solved by rereading more carefully.

[Chickadee]

Desp, edos, gerry

Take your pick, ill vote all of them

Out of that list, Edos seems the scummiest. I'd still rather go for moza but that's not going to happen.

VOTE: Edo

Ok whoever is town in this list of people (wisdom, desp, chick, edo) can y'all please step up your game.

I'm not seeing nearly enough words explaining your reads. You all come across flat to me.

The people voting Danny for his "reaction", sorry that isn't good enough. Why else is he scum. Also who else are you scum reading and why.

I explained my scum reads earlier. Now it's your turn. @wisdom. If you are town drop this schtick you are doing. Time to use your words.

I'll be the first to admit my play here has not been as good as it should be. I'll have some time tonight to sit down and give this game some good attention. Until then, to my very stressful job I go.

[Chickadee]

(Desp bussing Danny, Wisdom bussing Desp etc, in case my thought process was opaque)

oh Almost is odd noght cop.
Didnt get that at all.
well thagts fucking great.
why claim that now? aaaaaagh.

Can we lynch this yet?


@Vedith - fuck, I guess I have to work with you now.

[Chickadee]

@Vedith - How do you feel about Moza?

[Chickadee]

Hey Chick, you really think scum moz missed the innocent on Wisdom?

I think the way it was played off was sketchy.
"Hey guys, look at this!"
"Oh, oops!"


And he's been intentionally misrespping me all day by quoting only parts of my posts and asking me for the information he didn't quote.

[Chickadee]

I think it was played off in a way that felt really fake.

[Chickadee]

I think they saw my inoo on Wisdom and went for the "Oh I didn't see, but I was giving real reads because scum wouldn't call an inno scum".

This was how it played out to me as well.

Moza remains my biggest scum read. Edo is up there with Moza.

I think I have too many town reads.

[Chickadee]

So I'm thinking we still lynch Edo here. Town does not need 3p to win, and he's not confirmed town-sided. From his death, if he was telling the truth, we get two confirmed town. They won't be outed (except for Holly, who Back has claimed) since Edo didn't know who they were. It's seeming like an all around good thing for town.

[Chickadee]

I dont give a shit what you are sold on.
For all we know you didn't poison and just faked you did for town credit.
You're not confirmed in the slightest, Gerry!

Gerry's logic actually kind of makes sense though with what's happened in the game so far.

We also don't know if both of Edos targets are town if he's telling the truth.
I don't see both as town otherwise there's too much to confirm town by day 2.

Their flavor names would be in green.

[Chickadee]

So I'm thinking we still lynch Edo here. Town does not need 3p to win, and he's not confirmed town-sided. From his death, if he was telling the truth, we get two confirmed town. They won't be outed (except for Holly, who Back has claimed) since Edo didn't know who they were. It's seeming like an all around good thing for town.

dont like how you're talking about town like you're not one of us

VOTE: chickadee

How tf do you even get that?

[Chickadee]

I dont give a shit what you are sold on.
For all we know you didn't poison and just faked you did for town credit.
You're not confirmed in the slightest, Gerry!

Gerry's logic actually kind of makes sense though with what's happened in the game so far.

We also don't know if both of Edos targets are town if he's telling the truth.
I don't see both as town otherwise there's too much to confirm town by day 2.

Their flavor names would be in green.

We don't know for a start what we will see. And just being green means fuck all imo. If it says they are aligned town I would believe it.

Well we wouldn't know until Edo flips. Either way, 3p is 3p.

[Chickadee]

I'm fine with lynching either Edo or Moza.

Backhand is being weird, but I can kind of see where he was coming from saying what he said about Holly being in the game.

[Chickadee]

I'm fine with lynching either Edo or Moza.

Backhand is being weird, but I can kind of see where he was coming from saying what he said about Holly being in the game.

Why is Moza Scum for You?

Why haven't you read the game?

Seriously, all the questions you've been asking have been talked over. Here's the gist:

-Ever time Moza posts a reads list it's basically the opposite of what it was before. There's too much flip-flopping in that slot.
-Moza keeps intentionally misrepping me, and if memory serves, did it to A50 too (before his claim), by quoting only parts of posts and asking for the specific information that is in the parts they didn't quote to make me/A50 look scummy
-The charade of "oops I didn't see the wisdom clear" felt fake to me.

[Chickadee]

I'm fine with lynching either Edo or Moza.

Backhand is being weird, but I can kind of see where he was coming from saying what he said about Holly being in the game.

Why is Moza Scum for You?

Why haven't you read the game?

Seriously, all the questions you've been asking have been talked over. Here's the gist:

-Ever time Moza posts a reads list it's basically the opposite of what it was before. There's too much flip-flopping in that slot.
-Moza keeps intentionally misrepping me, and if memory serves, did it to A50 too (before his claim), by quoting only parts of posts and asking for the specific information that is in the parts they didn't quote to make me/A50 look scummy
-The charade of "oops I didn't see the wisdom clear" felt fake to me.

Why should I read the game when you can just answer my questions?

-so only scum flip flop on reads?
-examples
-I gree with this. But why does that make Moza more Scum than You?

It's not any one of those things alone. It's all together. Why are you treating these like isolated incidents?
Moza's reads seems to change with even turn of the game, like he's trying to go with popular opinion.

(^part 1 of 2)

[Chickadee]

Spoiler:

Edo and Backhand are mostly null for me right now

why? they seem very "blendy to me"

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Yea, I'm gonna be that obvious and kill my boyfriend.

hey you do have a red role pm! thanks for sharing lol

What I do think is odd is Moza's insistence on me listing my reads.

i think you and almost are scum.
scum hate gving reads, because...they have to lie.
so yeah, i keep asking you and almost for reads.
note people like Rob, and Backahand, and Desp (ok, his read is mainly "Moz is a twat" lol -BUT ITS A READ) ARE GIVING OUT READS without being asked
because they are town.

Because every reason has it's own motivation to if Scum or town.
What would you consider popular opinion as of 556?

All of that except Danny, Backhand, and Gerry

[Chickadee]

Who has you as scum at that pount?

I've been a mixed topic all day by lots of people. Some people think I'm scum, some people don't. You expect me to look back through all the reads literally half the game ago? You looked it up, so clearly you have some idea.

[Chickadee]

Also, do you think LUV can read you well?

I assume thats directed at me. I'd say yes, he can read me fairly well. However it's already been pointed out in thread that we have a connection, meaning people already knew about it.

[Chickadee]

You said that Moza was going by popular opinion on that read list apart from Danny, Backhand and Gerry.
I want to know why you think this at that point. Because if you're right, majority of players had you as Scum or scummy.

I never quoted that exact reads list. You did. I said in general, Mozas reads change every time the post reads.

[Chickadee]

Also, do you think LUV can read you well?

I assume thats directed at me. I'd say yes, he can read me fairly well. However it's already been pointed out in thread that we have a connection, meaning people already knew about it.

So if Scum you wouldn't want him around, right?
His ISO is pretty poor and I'm not sure what made Scum kill there. Did I miss a crumb?

People knew before hand that we were connected, so what makes you think scum wouldn't take advantage of that? Why do you think I would be so obvious?

Again, this has been addressed. Read the thread.

I'm more than happy to work WITH you, but not FOR you.

You said that Moza was going by popular opinion on that read list apart from Danny, Backhand and Gerry.
I want to know why you think this at that point. Because if you're right, majority of players had you as Scum or scummy.

I never quoted that exact reads list. You did. I said in general, Mozas reads change every time the post reads.

I asked that read list and you responded back
"All of that except Danny, Backhand, and Gerry"
Did I read your response wrong?

No, but again, you're the one that brought up that specific reads list. I answered off of memory. And once again it was literally half a game ago. You're being extremely pedantic for someone who hasn't even read the game.

LUV, there's been a lot of talk around you. Any thoughts?

Not really. I understand where Moz is coming from as well as how critical you've been.

What did this post mean?

How the fuck should I know?

[Chickadee]

Chickadedeeeeee can you explain your Venca Scum read from yesterday?
I just don't follow it. You seem unsure for the most part that Venca was Scum... You even said you're just voting there until you see reason not to.

The only time you interacted with Venca with the Scum read was asking him to talk about his thought process and it gave the impression you were open to him as town. Other than that you put no effort into sorting him and just tried to shade him.

What am I missing because that doesn't seem right.

Am I the only person you're going to question about the Vecna lynch? Because I wasn't the only person on it. I didn't like their gambit of outing a power role and faking a day vig. And I asked because I was still trying to gauge where I was with them. I never removed my vote because I was fine with a vena lynch D1.

Spoiler:

People knew before hand that we were connected, so what makes you think scum wouldn't take advantage of that? Why do you think I would be so obvious?

Again, this has been addressed. Read the thread.

I'm more than happy to work WITH you, but not FOR you.

I'm currently reading your ISO.
Why was LUV town lean?
Do you have many games you have town read him after so little?
Why would Scum worry about shading you if you already had shade there? Do you think Scum killed LUV to frame You?

No, but again, you're the one that brought up that specific reads list. I answered off of memory. And once again it was literally half a game ago. You're being extremely pedantic for someone who hasn't even read the game

I get this feels like a personal attack, because it is.
But Moza will be getting the same don't worry.

Okay, but you answered quickly and confidently. If I was putting a case that x was giving majority reads as their reads and I was questioned on a particular one I would check it first. Not guess. I'm not sure how accurate your comment is for that reads lists and that's why I asked that 1 on particular as it wasn't popular demand.

How the fuck should I know?

Was you not curious to what LUV meant? I read it as how critical you have been as in a bad play or a read on you from LUV which isn't positive (not exactly negative either but closer).
Think I'm right with that, or am I misunderstanding LUV?

LUV was a town lean because of how he placed his vote. I believe it was on Moza. LUV and I have played a lot and I usually read him correctly within his first few posts.
And no, I wasn't really curious what LUV meant. I was just trying to draw it out because he'd been quiet.


Vedith, if I'm scum, why are you still alive? I picked up A50's crumb D1. If I were scum, I'd kill the fucking cop.

[Chickadee]

I was trying not to draw attention to it (because again, scum kills cop there), and (again) I've already spoken on this. Did you see my reaction to his crumb, saying we should work together?

And yes, I can read LUV extremely well.

And since you've admitted this is a personal attack, I'm done entertaining you. You haven't even read the game. You have no context for this stuff. All you're doing is poking me to fill in context for you, and it's annoying.

[Chickadee]

Assuming your claim is legit.

Town can't win unless you are gone anyway. If your goal is to lynch town, you have to be gone cause you are a threat to town.

He's saying his goal is to make sure those two specific town are not lynched.

But Marie makes no sense as a 3p.

[Chickadee]

I did indeed mean Skyler. But still, doesn't make sense as 3p

[Chickadee]

VOTE: vax

[Chickadee]

Thanks everyone. It was a great game.

[Chickadee]

No, the mafia doc theory wasn't good. And you don't vote in mylo, period. You guys should have no lynched, and if you're going to no lynch, there's no point in voting anyway. If you guys no lynch, scum are forced to kill Vedith. He flips cop, and Wisdom is conftown. With Wisdom conftown, you guys would have had a very good chance to win. And I'm not just referring to you, Robb. Wisdom came out voting, and although he was voting scum, he was setting the example.

On a no lynch it's then 4 to lynch. Scum could have pushed for that and saved the hated modifier for an instant win, going by ifs and buts.
This setup and mechanics doesn't make a no lynch on MyLo the best option, with that knowledge, of course..

We couldn't hate past D3

[Chickadee]

We couldn't hate past D3

Do it night 3, or is it a day action?

Day action

[Chickadee]

Thanks everyone. It was a great game.

I've just finished reading the scum PT, and I'm surprised none of you picked up on my crumb when you got the Even-Night Cop as a fake claim already.

I did that post/ crumb precisely to get the Even-Night Cop's attention. It's saves us one check each, and thought ONLY the one with the "EVEN-Night Cop" would pick up on the "I'm ODD" part.

Anyway, GG by you especially, but also by the whole team collectively. Your response -while I know now was not even intended that way- really had me going and I thought you were my "other half". I would've really suspected you only on D3 when you didn't give me a result on someone.

Thank you.

I just genuinely like playing with you, but I was more than happy to milk that town read for all it was worth.