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[Wickedestjr]

Me four.

Vote: sergtacos

because I only

kinda like

tacos

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote. Vote: TwoInAMillion

for already misreading. Pretty sure he wasn't criticizing wavemode.

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote. Vote: TwoInAMillion

for already misreading. Pretty sure he wasn't criticizing wavemode.

How can you be pretty sure if he doesn't specify? I assumed he was talking about the first to mention alignment.

It appeared to me like he was talking to Flubber.

Can you explain why you thought he was criticizing wavemode (and what he was criticizing him for) ?

[Wickedestjr]

Town claiming scum is lying and should be lynched

No thanks.

Also I don't believe in jokes

What does this mean?

Hey guys, for the sake of town's best interest, I just want to he upfront about the fact that my favorite color is red

Thank you for your honesty.

Will Flubber get to L-1? That is the question.

What happens if he gets to L-1?

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote. Vote: Wossi

(L-2)

I found these two comments particularly bothersome:

You are what you say you are, if you say you're scum you're scum. I dont really understand how that wasnt clear....

This comment doesn't sound like someone actually interested in figuring things out.

also I was still excited by the fact that I just happened to random vote for scum

So skitter is scum but you would prefer to vote Flubber, who you acknowledge might be lying-town? Why is that?

Also, are you an alt? You sound slightly familiar.

[Wickedestjr]

First is incredibly reachy and the quote is taken out of context

I had read Wossi's post several times and it seemed pretty cut and dry. I don't see how I'm taking that out of context.

Second is similarly reading too deep and drawing a conclusion from nothing

Look I know it's not as strong as your "he was the second person to claim town" reasoning, but I'm trying my best here.

On a more serious note, I don't think I'm reading too deep here. Wossi demonstrated an unusual amount of confidence in his skitter scum read on page two, but his behavior doesn't make sense if that confidence is genuine.

[Wickedestjr]

I townread Wossi on meta

That's impressive considering he has no completed scum games. And you should have been

upfront

about this instead of making it seem like you were town reading him for the "me too".

Wossi demonstrated an unusual amount of confidence in his skitter scum read on page two

...Where? And what is an "unusual amount of confidence" anyway? Pointing out something suspicious and placing a vote?

I quoted the "unusual amount of confidence" in the post that you originally voted me for. When he said "I was still excited by the fact that I just happened to random vote for scum" on page 2.

his behavior doesn't make sense if that confidence is genuine

Right I forgot about that new rule where you're only allowed to scumread one person at a time

Absolutely not. I never said anything along these lines.

[Wickedestjr]

Now WickedJr, who said absolutely nothing to or about Wossi in the very early game, then was suddenly Mr. "hey i think this Wossi guy is horrible and I believe these other four people who coincidentally are already voting him are astute mafia players whom I agree with wholeheartedly. Let me draw up some reasons Wossi is a scumlord and slap my vote there too" is the worst among them in my view. (aka Mr. I'm going to do nothing for a long time then vote Wossi 90 minutes after Nexus posts a VC showing him to be at L-3. Was the vote based on Wossi's play? Or opportunism?)

I said 'absolutely nothing to or about Wossi in the very early game' because I simply wasn't around. I disappeared for a whopping 22 hours and everything from Wossi that bothered me happened during that 22 hours. And you say that my vote is opportunistic, but you haven't made any effort to understand/ask about my reasons for voting Wossi. You're just making ridiculous statements about me. Let me know when you want to start listening to what I have to say.


Also: I disagree with the people who are saying that Wossi gave reasons for his skitter scum read. There's a fine line between ambiguous interactions with skitter and explicitly stating reasons for scum reading her. The only comments that actually give insight into what he's thinking and why are the "I was still excited by the fact that I just happened to random vote for scum" and his Flubber/skitter theory.

[Wickedestjr]

If I had another vote, it would probably go to Chip Butty. Looking forward to seeing him explain his bad Flubber vote.

[Wickedestjr]

I'm not liking Sergtacos pushing the claiming scum thing...

VOTE: SergtacosVOTE:

I'm actually not doing that either. I was pushing that it was anti-town to not answer a direct question about his miller claim.

I disagree.

Can you explain how Sephiroth was pushing Flubber's 'claiming scum' thing? IIRC, he stopped doing that four or five pages ago.

[Wickedestjr]

If I had another vote, it would probably go to Chip Butty. Looking forward to seeing him explain his bad Flubber vote.

Is my flubber vote somehow worse than the other flubber votes? Can you explain why you singled me out?

Well I'm not a fan of Wossi's vote for Flubber either, so I wouldn't necessarily say that your vote was the worst, but I am almost equally bothered by it. Here's why:

Flubber: I don't mind people poking there.

I think town tend to avoid jokes like that because there's no upside and they don't need the aggravation. Scum, otoh, see an upside in getting pseudo towncred if they can get through the initial wave of suspicion.

In fact, let's increase the heat a little:

VOTE: Flubber

The bolded feels unnatural to me for some reason, maybe because there's so much WIFOM surrounding it. And I also don't like how you make it clear that it's a pressure vote.

Another problem that I have with the bandwagon as a whole (not your vote specifically) is that I'm not sure what this 'pressure' is supposed to accomplish when the only reason is that 'Flubber claimed scum' and there's really nothing he can say to defend himself besides saying that it was a joke. We have more information to work with now.

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote. Vote: TwoInAMillion

for already misreading. Pretty sure he wasn't criticizing wavemode.

I thought I wasn't going to be able to talk about this because of ongoing games, but 1954 ended yesterday.

Wicked, how would you characterize Two here in relation to that game?

His play here looks similar to that game. The only difference that I can see is that he seems to be misreading quite a bit in this game; his reasons for voting monkey/Seph seem wrong and he also accidentally voted the wrong person before voting Seph. I'm not sure if this is because he's genuinely missing things or if he's scum that just doesn't care about understanding what's happening in the game. It's difficult to say because he has no scum games to look at. Right now he's a neutral for me, very slight town lean if anything.

What do you think about him?

[Wickedestjr]

I was actually kinda surprised that you made that vote, since we legit just wagoned him for this sort of behavior, and he was town there.

FWIW I don't remember him misreading things in our game that just ended.

[Wickedestjr]

We don't need a claim right now.

I want to see him respond to the points against him first. Give him the benefit of the doubt when he says he's busy in real life.

Unvote.

[Wickedestjr]

Okay I'm here.

I'd vote 2inamil but I want a confrontation with Wicked.

A confrontation?

Spoiler: My reaction

[Wickedestjr]

Are you talking about his posts on page 11 about the word count thing? I actually didn't realize you were joking at first, so I had the same thought as him at first. I see where he is coming from even though I don't agree with his persistence after you made it clear that you were joking.

I'm leaning towards town reading him.

[Wickedestjr]

I still understand where he's coming from even though I think he started grasping at straws there.

On the other hand, I'm really struggling to understand his Sephiroth vote.

[Wickedestjr]

or his willingness to hammer Wossi.

[Wickedestjr]

Oh my god, Flubb is town

You sound pretty confident about this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't look like you've ever played with him before though. What posts are making you so sure of this read?

That thank you for your honesty felt like it couldn't come from town, considering that the other answers to each quote were characteristically inquisitive. He should have reacted to that with suspicion.

I thought Flubber's favorite color post was funny. Why should I have reacted to it with suspicion?

Actually, Wicked made a fair assessment that 2InAMil has been consistently missing his shots today. I guess if there's a day chat, he wouldn't? Maybe he could have been more coordinated and competent-looking? So maybe he isn't scum here?

I'm not sure what your experience with scum day chat has been, but I don't think I've ever seen partners check things with each other before posting. Two has been active but seems pretty un-invested in this game as it is, so I seriously doubt he would go to the trouble of running these things by his team mates if he's scum. In general, I don't think well-curated posts are scum tells. Personally, I proofread my posts multiple times before hitting submit because I'm OCD-ish, not because I'm afraid of what people will think of me.

[Wickedestjr]

Hey Flubber, I don't think you answered this:

When I first played with wavemode, I dismissed them as stupid town. They were scum. From skimming the others' posts about him, it sounds like he's playing the "stupid town" card again. I will confirm this with my own eyes on catch up.

Was this true because wavemode said you got the wrong person.

[Wickedestjr]

Man is it just me or do both wagons feel exactly like early D1 wagons that stuck around too long? I don't think anyone has given a convincing reason to lynch either wossi or flub.

This seems like an unusual criticism. It seems pretty clear that Wossi hasn't defended himself at all. Why should the bandwagon disappear when he hasn't done anything to explain his actions?

I don't like how much time Wossi is taking to fakeclaim, I am willing to hammer if needed.

This seems like a very ignorant thing to say, considering;
1. Multiple people told Wossi not to claim and that they weren't ready for him to get lynched right this second.
2. Wossi made it explicitly clear that he wasn't available to post today.
3. He's not at L-1 right now.

Why are you assuming that he's currently crafting a fake claim when you hadn't been scum reading him previously? I actually have a lot of trouble believing this.

[Wickedestjr]

@Lalendra:

Generally asking someone to claim should be the last resort, when the town has decided that they are ready to lynch someone and their claim is the only thing that could possibly prevent their lynch. You shouldn't ask for a role claim unless people are actually on board with the lynch happening.

Also, how much time does Wossi need to see that he's the largest bandwagon? You are acting like he has sufficient time on his hands to defend himself just by noticing the wagon. It is really weird that you exhibited caution by refraining from voting early on but are now just ready to lynch someone for a post that was actually pretty reasonable.

Vote: Lalendra

Also can you explain why you are town reading Flubber? It doesn't make sense considering the rest of your comments about him.

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked, I answered Danny's question somewhat implicitly. I pretty much flipped that part of my read on him once he cited I had his alignment backwards from the game I played with him.

Ah okay.

[Wickedestjr]

Unexpected V/LA until Sunday

[Wickedestjr]

Caught up. Phew.

Others looking scummy:

Taco for the miller thing.

I can see why town might fakeclaim but not why they would back off.

Can't quite see why scum would unless cold feet? Need him to say more...

Can you explain the bolded part of this? You think that Serg would just maintain the lie as town?

I doubt lalendra is scum,because my gut says that sergetacos would not be this obvious to break a tie. Probably one scum on lalendra, let me find them real quick

Can you explain this?

(Responding to Wossi next)

[Wickedestjr]

This is the point when I decided Skitter was town

Why is that?

And this is when wicked started looking really scummy. Taking quotes out of context smacks of ulterior motivation, and nothing quoted here warrants a L-2 vote

As for 324, I'm obviously not saying L-2 votes are scummy. It's just a lack of significant reasoning to justify putting someone close to lynch. And his quote from my post 34 was for sure taken out of context. I was responding to TwoInAMillion's confusion over Wavemode's claiming town vs. Flubber's claiming scum. None of that is clear from the quote Wicked chose to crop out of the full post.

Okay thank you for explaining that. I understand now that I may have taken that comment out of context. The way you worded it "You are what you say you are, if you say you're scum you're scum" makes it sound as if that's your own belief rather than you describing HEM's reason for voting Flubber. But I retract that point now.

As for putting you at L-2, I don't believe that there's any danger in L-2. The only danger is that someone might accidentally hammer, but it takes two votes to quick hammer someone from L-2. Plus I am generally active enough that I can un-vote when someone makes a terrible L-1 vote.

Because I thought either or both of you might be scum and I didn't want to say "Oh, I'm voting to apply pressure and get reactions!" because that kind of defeats the point.

I don't understand how people seriously thought I was making a serious accusation on page two. No one catches scum on page two.

This seems like a contradiction. If you were voting to apply pressure/get reactions and didn't want people to know that you were doing that, then why are you now expecting us to realize that you weren't making serious accusations? There was no reason to think that 40 and 70 weren't serious posts. In general, I'm having trouble believing that your Flubber/skitter attack was just a reaction test considering the way that you discredited Flubber's scum claim.

Unvote. Vote: Wossi

(L-3)

I think I would shoot Implosion.

Why would you shoot implosion instead of me?

[Wickedestjr]

Lalendra's vote might be the scummiest thing to happen so far. I dont think anyone thought that wagon was leading to an imminent lynch, so dropping the L-1 after it had just been criticized from Serg and asking for a claim no less looks really scummy to me. Lalendra basically just decided for all of us that it was time to end the day with a wossi lynch.

Either her or Serg should be the ones being wagoned. I'm honestly going to be throwing my vote to whichever one of those two others are willing to vote.

Let's make it happen.

unvote: serg, vote: lalendra

Come on guys let's have a real wagon!

Do you have a preference between Lalendra and Sergtacos? Do you think they could both be scum?

If I was scum right now I would be going in the mafia chat. Hope this can help peolle think I'm town.

This comment feels weird to me because it relies on the knowledge that scum have day chat. You went straight to the OP immediately after replacing in to check if scum had day talk?

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked, I don't like that the best you can come up with to vote wossi is looking all the way back to the beginning of the thread.

I'm not going to give him a free pass for something just because it happened early on. His explanation doesn't make sense. After what page number can I look for reasons to vote someone?

[Wickedestjr]

@Wossi:

Can you respond to my 500?

Wicked, I don't like that the best you can come up with to vote wossi is looking all the way back to the beginning of the thread.

I'm not going to give him a free pass for something just because it happened early on. His explanation doesn't make sense. After what page number can I look for reasons to vote someone?

It's not about page numbers. It's that scum does more than one scummy thing, and giving early game reasoning the benefit of the doubt is usually a good thing to do.

I disagree. Scum can certainly make mistakes in the early game, so to ignore it just because it happened early on is not reasonable. How can I give him the benefit of the doubt when he literally admitted to 'contradicting himself and making errors of judgment' ? I can't give that a free pass and am trying to figure out why he started off the game that way.

[Wickedestjr]

Minus the comment about HEM (who I personally didn't have a strong opinion on either way), this is exactly how I feel about Mulch:

I don't really have a strong read on Mulch's play. I have a moderate residual townread on him from HEM's play but I don't feel like his play has been especially telling. I haven't played with him before but from the interactions I've had with him I'd expect things like his lolmeta reads (as skitter so eloquently puts it) and his opening post mentioning the scum pt, and even a lot of his policy-esque arguments to come from him as both town and scum. I imagine it's his town playstyle and if he's scum he's likely doing those things in order to emulate that style. Which honestly sounds kind of defeatist in that I'm not really sure how to read him. I'm open to being convinced. The one point that I'm the least sure what to make of is Wossi's claim that his meta is imaginary.

Maybe I'll check his meta for myself later, but I don't really see the case against Mulch.

@skitter:

One of your reasons for voting Mulch was because he seemed to be looking for mis-lynches that don't have much pushback. Did he do this when you were partners with him? Do you think he, as scum, is incapable of going after more difficult targets?

[Wickedestjr]

Chip Butty, can you respond to my post 498?

I'll post more soon.

[Wickedestjr]

Okay can you explain the bolded part though?

[Wickedestjr]

Neither of them are my top scum reads at the moment, that would be Mulch, Implosion, and Lalendra. So the fact that I'm scum reading Implosion more than you should answer your last question.

Okay but at the time that you said "I would shoot implosion", you were actually voting for me. What changed to make implosion your top suspect and why haven't you ever voted for him?

@Seph/Mulch - If you get me lynched, when I flip town, who are you going to look at next, and why?

For some reason, the 'when I flip town' feels pretty forced here. Almost as if this question was asked just so she could say 'I'm town'.

[Wickedestjr]

I'm not scum reading wossi any more. Literally everyone trying to push him can only point to his early game play. That's suspicious.

I disagree. Scum can certainly make mistakes in the early game, so to ignore it just because it happened early on is not reasonable. How can I give him the benefit of the doubt when he literally admitted to 'contradicting himself and making errors of judgment' ? I can't give that a free pass and am trying to figure out why he started off the game that way.

There's a difference between giving him a free pass and tunneling on them and refusing to look at other things going on. If you think that something he did on page two is a scum tell, good for you but I don't see how its possibly a big enough tell to be your primary focus. It just seems lazy given how far into the game we are, especially since its at best a very small tell more realistically (imo) completely null.

If Wossi and I had gone back and forth 10-15 times for the entire thread, then I think you would have a point about tunneling on something too long. But I've only made like three or four posts talking to Wossi about this, so I think it's unfair of you both to try and shut it down just because it was based on something that happened early on. The only reason we were still talking about it 20 pages later is because he disappeared for several days, I disappeared for a few days, and he ignored me at least once.

If I am 'tunneling on Wossi and refusing to look at other things going on', then

please

tell me what I'm refusing to look at that I should be looking at because I think I've only devoted a handful of my 30+ posts to him.

[Wickedestjr]

@skitter:

One of your reasons for voting Mulch was because he seemed to be looking for mis-lynches that don't have much pushback. Did he do this when you were partners with him? Do you think he, as scum, is incapable of going after more difficult targets?

Its not just that. Its that he tried to make several policy lynches instead of actually reading players and trying to find scum tells. He's taking the path of least resistance in search of lynching pretty much whoever. Then when Skitter calls him on that and the see-through nature of his reads, he completely backtracks, lies that PoE is not a form of policy lynching, and basically just adopts whatever Skitter's opinion is on any reads that he disagreed with. Hes literally just trying to find any lynch that people will buy into and lied/backtracked when he got caught.

I don't think any of these reasons are particularly strong:
*IIRC he didn't try making

several

policy lynches. His vote for Chip came along with the 'I think he's useless as town too', but that wasn't his primary reason for voting Chip.
*After rereading, I don't really even see how he's pushing easy targets or taking the path of least resistance. The first two votes that he cast were for people that didn't have any other votes at the time.
*If he was just trying to find any easy vote, then why wouldn't he have just joined the Wossi or Lalendra bandwagons?
*Policy lynching and PoE are two very different things, so that point is a big stretch. Fwiw, I think PoE is a perfectly valid method for scum hunting even though it's hard using that to sway people.
*I don't see the benefit for him, as scum, to just repeatedly change his mind and follow skitter's opinions. I feel like this behavior can be attributed to the low effort that he put into his initial reads. skitter changed his mind by showing posts that he hadn't seen.

I'm not trying to argue that his play here has been helpful by any means; he has been unhelpful. Unfortunately, town are unhelpful sometimes and I don't see why this is indicative of scum-Mulch rather than lazy-town-Mulch. The only things that actually seem interesting to me are 'his town read on Wossi based on an imaginary game that doesn't exist' and his scum pt comment.

I really don't see how ability to go after difficult targets enters into it. Going for easy lynches is the oldest scum tell in the book, why would he want to go for 'more difficult targets' and why would his unwillingness to do so be anything other than a scum tell?

I'm not really sure why whether or not he's pushed mislynches without much pushback in the past makes this any less of a universal scumtell. Like pushing easy lynches (on policy no less) is a hallmark of scumplay, as is changing your reads when someone gives you the smallest amount of pushback. Your last question in the quote above is really, really weird in this context. I can't articulate why exactly atm, but I'm going to continue trying to figure it out because it's really pinging me hard.

I feel like the 'going after easy targets' scum tell applies more to inexperienced scum. If it's the oldest scum tell in the book, then I would think scum would stop doing it. If Mulch had a history of playing this way as scum, then this would interest me much more - that's why I asked the question. However, if this isn't even how he plays as scum, then I'm not really convinced. --> I think that, regardless of his alignment, he is putting very little effort into this game. I just don't see how people are so sure that he is lazy scum vs. lazy town.

[Wickedestjr]

I've reached the point where I don't see my exchange with Wossi leading to anything helpful anymore. While I haven't seen anything from him that makes me feel good about him, I'll admit that I don't feel as confident in the reasons that I was previously pushing him for; his most recent explanation helped.

Unvote.

At this point, as I said before, I don't really see the case against Mulch. He is probably a slight town read for me. I would support his lynch if it were the only alternative to NL, but I think there are better options like Lalendra or wavemode.

Vote: Lalendra

[Wickedestjr]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I am thankful that, despite the fiendish List Mod Mafia wreaking havoc upon our homeland, I am not alone in my quest to eliminate them and re-establish some peace in this godforsaken town.

(Posting more soon...)

[Wickedestjr]

If the three of us are scum then I am doing the absolute most obvious buddying and shit-tastic scum play ever.

Why does me scumreading the three of you necessitate that all three of you are scum together? I'm not going to delude myself into thinking everyone I have a scum read on D1 = the scum team. That would be silly. It just means I independently find each of you to be the scummiest in the game.

I suppose having three top scum reads doesn't necessarily mean you have to commit to those players being the scum team. But it seems a little weird to me that nowhere in this post (or other posts if IIRC) do you ever defend, "they

could

be partners". Either it's something you haven't really considered or you agree with Lalendra that they're probably not partners. Which is it? Or is it something else?

Okay can you explain the bolded part though?

I think if town has fakeclaimed miller and there has been no cc, the protown thing to do would be to stand firm and hope there is a cop variant who can clear you if necessary.

You return green to cops so that's a fair chance.

If you can sell it, you become a slot town doesn't worry about, and if you can't you can hope for a clearing check. But backtracking just creates confusion in town minds and detracts from the scum hunt. You might even draw the NK at some point if you are widely believed,

which is good as long as you are vt.

So what Taco has done is scummy at worst and antitown at best.

It still seems like there are a few holes in this thought process. Why would a cop investigate someone that claimed miller? And it also seems like you're ignoring the possibility that Serg could be a town power role. Earlier you said "I can see why town might fake claim but not why they would back off". Why don't you think that Serg could have been fake claiming 'for the lolz' ?

@Seph/Mulch - If you get me lynched, when I flip town, who are you going to look at next, and why?

For some reason, the 'when I flip town' feels pretty forced here. Almost as if this question was asked just so she could say 'I'm town'.

I will admit, my original wording was "If you get me lynched, and I flip town" but I changed it because I figured saying "If...I flip town" was going to get me scumread. Apparently the updated wording still didn't work in my favor lol.

Okay I suppose that makes sense. But what was your reason for asking this question in the first place?

[Wickedestjr]

no, and I’m not giving up. Nobody has asked me anything so

While I don't agree with the case against you, I do share implosion's concern with your reduced activity. And I have to disagree with you; it does feel as if you have given up. We have to lynch someone very soon; you're not voting for anybody right now and you are doing nothing to figure out who scum are. So how have you

not

given up?

If you are town, then you should put the effort in to give us something helpful.

[Wickedestjr]

Interesting result. Did anyone notice if Wossi may have crumbed that yesterday?

*will be rereading*

[Wickedestjr]

Prod dodge. Been a busy last few days, I'll post here asaic

[Wickedestjr]

TIAM - Offers to hammer Wossi. Later adds that Mulch is another scumlean; both flipped town.

Not sure if scum or consistently wrong town.

Later adds Serg, who obviously has not flipped yet but I TR him. So did Mulch. Moves his vote to Wossi late in the day saying he "doesn't want to put the day in jeopardy but does want to vote for scum."

...

VOTE: TwoInAMillion

We need to lynch this today.

Can you explain why you are voting for TwoInAMillion? The bolded statements don't really seem to match.

Interesting result. Did anyone notice if Wossi may have crumbed that yesterday?

*will be rereading*

I'm guessing it's based on 713 and the ensuing convo he had with Chip in ~738.

*shrug* I don't really see how that could be taken as a breadcrumb, though. FWIW, I iso'd Wossi and didn't really see any clear sign - even when talking about the miller claim, there's no indication that he was an investigative role - so I would wager that he wasn't killed because of that.

I'm thinking Skitter and Idanny are scum partners.

VOTE: IdannyVOTE:

We lynch skitter tomorrow?

This is a very unusual amount of confidence. Especially considering you are now voting for neither of these players and your reason for suspecting them could be applied to multiple other people that pushed Mulch.

His exit from the Wossi wagon is a little odd; timing-wise he jumped from Wossi to Lalendra at a time when each had two votes, changing the votes to 5-3-1 mulch-lalendra-Wossi, which could have a lot of utility as a scum vote hop (either distancing from Lalendra-scum or ensuring that there's dueling wagons on Mulch-town and Lalendra-town) and his reasoning feels a little meh. It just looks like him going "well other people are doing this and yeah I generally agree with them" which I guess isn't scummy per se but feels questionable just for it being such an easy post to make as scum.

FWIW, that post you linked does not include my reasons for voting Lalendra. That was the second time I voted for her and my reasons for suspecting her were provided the first time that I voted her. Also, fwiw, my first vote for Lalendra was sort of a place holder; Wossi was my top suspect at that point, but I wasn't comfortable with him being at L-1.

[Wickedestjr]

I'm still working on my reread. Should hopefully be done with that today.

I know I've been completely useless today

[Wickedestjr]

Lalendra is at L-1 by my count.

Done with my reread and thoughts soon.

[Wickedestjr]

Okay this is where I'm at right now. My initial impression after rereading;

TOWN

{Flubbernugget, implosion}

.
.

{iDanyboy, skitter30}

.
.
.

{Sergtacos}

.
.

{Lalendra, wavemode}

{Chip Butty, Sephiroth, TwoInAMillion}

SCUM

The bottom two categories are in pretty close proximity... For example, even though Lalendra isn't in the bottom three, I am highly considering the possibility that she and Sephiroth are partners. I spent the last hour or two trying to see what teams make sense within those five players, but it's getting really late, so that will have to wait some more. Should be available tomorrow to explain some of my other reads too.

Vote: TwoInAMillion

I came into this game knowing that he had a propensity to look suspicious after Iambic Tetramafia. But I honestly think that his play here is more bothersome than it was there and he has done some weird things in this game that I don't think can be attributed to a 'generally scummy-looking play style'.

I (still) don't like his willingness to hammer Wossi, for reasons I explained here. That post in combination with his other mis-readings make it seem like he's not really interested in figuring things out. His play surrounding the Mulch bandwagon is also odd. His reason for leaving the bandwagon doesn't seem like a natural town thought process and the "better to vote someone that was actually on the Mulch lynch" is convenient considering he supported the bandwagon but wasn't on it at the end of the day. Also, his vote for Dany seems opportunistic considering it is in large part based on Mulch's last words, the guy who he didn't seem to be a big fan of yesterday. Recently, him saying that Lalendra 'scum-slipped' by voting the wrong person is an interesting idea considering he did the same thing yesterday.

I can explain some of these reasons in more depth tomorrow as well, but going to sleep now

[Wickedestjr]

Also fwiw, I have no idea how in the world someone can just vote for the wrong person. Let alone multiple people

I don't think they're all scum, but I just don't get how that happens

[Wickedestjr]

^
This is why we shouldn't leave people at L-1.

TIAM basically just claimed scum for hammering someone without a claim.

[Wickedestjr]

This was your last post before you quick hammered:

I want to vote but don't want to quick hammer.

Yet you still decided to quick hammer. The only thing that changed between that post and your quick hammer was me explaining why you're scum and voting for you. And I repeat: you hammered before she even had a chance to claim.

Why in the world would you think that's acceptable?

[Wickedestjr]

Good game scum! You all played very well. In particular, I thought I knew how to read you implosion and now I know that I cannot.

And thanks Nexus!