2017 NFL Football

[drealmerz7]

dipping my toes in here:

I haven't watched NFL in 2 years. I'm kind of a closet fan. I like the tactical/strategic aspect combined with the athleticism and extreme skill and healthy sportsmanlike competition. I can't stand the commercialism, fandom, greed, arrogance of players, and unhealthy contentious competitive nature it breeds within society, especially with how that affects children on a deep level (schools getting funding for sports over the arts, and kids being raised with a superstar desire mentality, etc. etc.)

got NFL game pass a week or so ago and have been catching up on some stuff so I'm uptospeed for this season

I have a handful of teams I like to watch and follow to varying degrees, and that shifts based on personnel (for example, I never cared about the Chiefs until Andy Reid went there - I love Andy Reid, so now I watch and root for the Chiefs)

I grew up and live in pennsylvania, so I've always been partial to the Steelers and the Eagles and follow them more than any other teams

I also like: Chiefs, Ravens, Seahawks, and loved the Vikings while Favre was there but no longer care

can't stand: Patriots, Cowboys, Packers, Saints

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He's a Seahawks fan so understandable but damn

eh, they're unrelated

haven't liked the Patriots forever

only started to care about the Seahawks when Pete Carroll took over

ohgeez, does Le'Veon Bell not know who the Steelers are? he's only playing games with himself

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because he's already making millions of dollars regardless

I value team and work ethic over money and I'm extremely poor, so when I see the rich quabbling over millions when there is more value in things like relationships with your peers and teamwork and working towards a common goal (being a great team, winning a championship), it's utterly stupid

yes, I understand the business aspect, yes I understand that in that business aspect he might think (or even be) worth "more" than what he's being offered, but it's still nonsense and shows he has poor values, and I can't respect that

it's greedy and shows he values money over football, it doesn't matter that that is 'what practically everyone in professional football does', it doesn't need to be that way and a good person could set an example (there have been plenty who take paycuts so they can stay on their team, I believe Roethlesberger did this some years ago)

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nooo, them giving in just perpetuates the problem

how can you not see that?

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it comes down to him, it comes down to individuals always

does he want to play football and contribute to a team and work with them to achieve success more or does he want more money more

he's given his answer, and that is not an answer of integrity or value

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yes, it's a deeper complex problem than you're trying to make it out to be

you're valuing the greed over the integrity

if you want to bring health in to it that is ridiculous, 'hmmm my health is worth 15.9 million not 14.2 million' - give me a fucking break, do you love to play football or do you love making money more? if you don't love playing football, then go away

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do I love my job? does it bring me fulfilment on a deep level of my being?

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am I surrounded by a special group of people that I care about and can I only do this job for a small window of my life before I can no longer do this job that I love so much?

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I was just typing a post about the salary caps...

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Let's say all those are true BUT you still have provided more monetary value to your company than what you are worth.

then I don't care about the money

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none of those workers in those jobs make multi-millions of dollars

his holdout is coming from a place of greed, it's that simple

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no I'm saying that if you love what you do and you can pay to put food on the table then it shouldn't matter how much you make, especially if you're making tens of millions of dollars a year

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not sure what you're looking for, you're trying to abstract something where I'm simply talking about Bell

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if you want to get into a sociological discussion on disparity of pay among disciplines, that's something else and I'm not sure I have energy for that right now

other than to say, teachers need to be paid more and the value they do in their job and how it contributes to society should be held higher than the value placed on professional athletes (but then the whole education system is defunct and needs a rehaul, so, there's issues there of course)

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Really? How many people do you know would feel comfortable going up to their boss and saying "yo, pay me more or I'm not coming in" without pissing in their pants that they are going to lose their job?

and you know what happens if Bell doesn't sign with the Steelers? he can not work for a WHOLE YEAR (and longer), live off of previous earnings and likely still get a job in the same field next year if he wants to

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No, you made an argument that Bell is just like an average worker, I made an argument explaining why he is not (even if he gets a job at DQ for this upcoming season)

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but all I'm trying to talk about is an individual player who should be less greedy, none of that other stuff comes into it

you think a teacher's union is going on strike because they're greedy?

no, that's SEPTA

plus, when the NFLPA organizes a league-wide player holdout, that's something different than what Bell is doing

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good convo., btw

and ftr I think most companies don't pay their workers enough and would probably even argue that the NFL franchise owner's are making a disparate amount of money compared to what players make (considering MOST of the players DON'T make as much as the top-tier paid players)

but here I'm only talking about Bell, and again, the salary cap issue comes back into play, as well as his priorities, if he participated in the offseason, cared about his team, and was even willing to take a paycut to allow for more cap room, HE COULD BE ON A CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, but instead, he's being a greedy ego-inflated jerk

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I'm currently watching the Eagles get tramped by the Seahawks from last year

Kaepernick is really good, and I commend him for his integrity as well as raising awareness to social injustice in a setting where he knew it wouldn't be well received by the majority

Flacco is having issues you say? maybe he'll get it back, I imagine he would

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ah, I hadn't realized he was injured much (not been watching for 2 years), that sucks! they should have definitely grabbed Kaep. There must be league pressure on teams not to hire him, that's messed up.

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From my memory he sat very shortly after a specific incident, like maybe the Trayvon Martin shooting? So I didn't think it was career or game-timing based. My issue with what you say that TwoInAMillion is that it shouldn't BE negativey publicity, the issue is the media spinning it to be a bad thing. There are lots of players who do lots to raise social awareness and combat social issues and they use the franchises and the franchises use them as a backing supportive effort to do good and he and that should be no different, or if it is different, it should be by the extreme positivity in raising awareness. It doesn't need to be a negative distraction at all.

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society has actually regressed A LOT in the past 17 years, but let's not derail this thread into a social issues thread

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Okay so I know this is "old" now, but it's new to me.

I'm loving the point after try being moved back

I'm hating the touch back being moved to the 25

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re: Ezekial Elliot :

I think it's pretty simple. There are people who are good at reading people, there are people who are great at reading people. Put me in a room with someone, let me have a 10 minute conversation with them and then I ask them 5 questions and I can more often than not tell you if they're lying. If I can't tell if they're lying or not, I can at least tell I can't tell. Then you've got lie detector tests. It could have been something as simple as Goodell going to Elliot and saying "are you willing to take a lie detector test?" and Elliot says "no" and Goodell says "okay then you're suspended" OR he could have even agreed to the test and failed. As much as people love to hate on Goodell, I think he's done a lot of great for the league and I trust him as commissioner to make good choices, not arbitrary ones.

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so it's impossible for you to have the discussion about an "individual player" because that player sets a precedent, especially one that is a) the best player in a dying position and b) a hybrid athlete that is on the cutting age of how his position will be played in the future.

First, he's not doing anything with precedence, many players have done what he's done before, but, wouldn't it be great if he set an example of "money doesn't matter as much as my doing the thing I love with people I care about" ? (again something that has been done before but could be done more and it could help towards a shift in mentality)

not really sure what your argument is or what you're trying to get at, as, my point still stands about him being greedy and valuing his ego and money more than doing good for his team

How did you feel about David Carr holding Oakland hostage at the beginning of the summer to become the highest player ever at the time? or the two guys who signed bigger contracts after saying they'd walk if they didn't get extended?

not familiar with these circumstances but I'm pretty sure my position would be the same for them as it is for Bell

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ohdear, I knew the Eagles had gotten rid of Matthews at WR and I was wondering what their WR spread was going to look like...I just looked at the roster

wtf are these WRs and are any of them any good? I've seen a bit of Agholor and know Torrey Smith is decent, but, who are these other guys and is there a hope in hell for this offense with this setup? What happened to Green-Beckham?

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can someone fill me in on what happened to Robert Griffin III?

could he not stay healthy?

did he just end up sucking?

did his daddy make him quit?

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bad routes, interceptions can also be defined as QB or WR mistakes depending who is at fault I'd think

I think it'd mostly be drops though, which seems like a perfectly fine thing to use as a metric

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it's less about the play call and more about "was the receiver in a position where the QB should have reasonably connected with them?" - I think most of the time it is going to be pinned on the QB, but I do think there are times where it is not the QBs fault but the receiver's, and there's no reason that that can't be factored in

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NC, you a Titans fan or ?

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I almost asked if you were a Titans or Oilers fan :þ

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what's wrong with it being dropped balls and stumbled feets? why do you need more than 1 or 2 things?

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I feel like you're kind of looking for what the definition of "is" is

when I'm watching a game I can often enough go "that incomplete pass was the fault of the receiver"

most of the time it is a dropped ball, sometimes it's stumbled feet or some other thing that clearly makes my brain go "oh, that was the fault of the receiver"

I don't know why it has to be more complicated than that

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are you saying if an element of the game can't be depicted in stats, it's not worth talking about?

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uhh, the chargers are in LA? I thought it was the rams that were moving to LA?

*goes and looks at some things*

okay then...2 LA teams, and raiders are still in oakland...that's interesting

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guess his GF doesn't want him playing football?

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haha last year during the Eagles vs. Ravens game Daryl Johnston says something like "Osweiler was released from the Broncos, if John Elway doesn't want a QB, I wouldn't want him either / that should tell you something"

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I'm tired of Eli Manning's face, he's not allowed in the SB

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You've also given out 22 fewer losses than you're supposed to have given out.

I was thinking something looked off with those numbers but didn't care to tally

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it's hard for me to make predictions with not having been paying attention the past 2 years, but I always root for a Steelers vs. Eagles superbowl where the Eagles win their first ever, and it'd be quite a statement against the current Steelers team

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dang, was avoiding this thread and other places so I could watch the game without knowing the outcome

and then saw a news headline about it

grrrr

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woo, just got to the part where the patriots are demoralized and brady gets knocked on his ass

good stuff

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they're cheaters (and Belichek teaches cheating) , arrogant, sore losers, just downright unlikable people all around

Brady doesn't even register to me as comparable to anyone because he's just on a cheating team so it doesn't matter how good the stats are or people saying he's one of the greatest/the greatest, he'll always be a huge fat ZERO in my mind and I disregard anything about him

that's his legacy

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aye the best cheaters know how not to get caught - paying off officials in no pattern, for the smallest of advantages and calls to go their way, etc.

not really interesting in getting into an argument about it cause obviously I don't have proof

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gee how'd I know you were going to say all of that

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was talking to LUV

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I wouldn't say all, but a huge part of it for sure.

He took a mediocre QB (McNabb) and made him a contender. If only he'd spent the majority of his time on a QB with real talent. Smith is waayyyyy better than McNabb was on his best days.

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nice, Brian Cushing suspended

can't stand that jerk, not at all surprised he was juicing

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an ex of mine played rugby

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browns are looking good

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oh, I certainly wasn't favoring browns, "good" is relative for them, too

and holycrap, last week it was Ronde Barber, who sucks at commentating, but then this week it switched to Charles Davis, who is so much fucking worse, Ronde Barber might get mental hiccoughs, but Charles Davis is just baaaad - he repeats himself multiple times and treats each time is like the first time he's said it, or repeats something someone else already said and treats it like it's never been heard before, and just says the stupidest shit all of the time, gaahhhh

that eagles vs. chiefs game was very good!

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I also think his passion for the game is gone and he's just doing it because that's what he does and probably thinks it is "weak" to retire or somesuch.

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true enough
perhaps an indication that he's only ever played football because it's what he thought he should do (well my dad and bro do it and it's expected of me so I guess that's what I'll do) rather than what he wanted to do (which he was never even able to discover) ?

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Hey, I want to QB bash a bit

Donovan McNabb was mediocre at best with an exceptional coach who figured out how to make a contending team in spite McNabb's mediocrity - I wish we would have seen what he could have done with a good or better QB.

Hey, wait, Alex Smith is pretty good!

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you gotta look at the team and coach, no way was McNabb better than Eli

yes, stats might be better, overall team performance might be better, but on an individuality (I know it's hard to judge that in a team sport), Eli is decent, McNabb, mediocre at best

and his football knowledge is poop

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nah, it goes way beyond him not knowing about tying, but ya, I just wanted to talk some shit on McNabb because I think he gets too highly regarded and after many years of watching him I realized he's just crap with a great coach

Andy Reid is a great coach!

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you can "view image" and see the image
put .jpg before [/img] and it'll work too (for the OP)

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he's even older now!

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aye, ppl just want to have shit to go do while in vegas and having sports events is just more to do so they'll fill easily

don't they have boxing there a lot?

and if you get the stadium close enough to some other action, it can be even more of a wild and crazy 'event' thing, integrated and multi-faceted (casino sections, other entertainment, that capacity for combination fun in general)

not that I'm a proponent of any of that

it'll be interesting to see if there's an increase of incidents in players and personnel when in vegas/being the home team

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haha, I just watched the clip of David Letterman from Peyton Manning's statue unveiling:

"Peyton's won as many games this season as his brother Eli"

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with gamepass I have to wait until games are over to watch them

so I'm currently watching super bowl XIII (gamepass gives a bunch of other stuff aside from current season games)

watched 'super bowl I' a bit ago, that was interesting, didn't like the over-commentary though

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anyone else think Carson Wentz kind of looks like Jim Varney?

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Chiefs don't have Hali or Berry and they're still going to the superbowl

against the Eagles!

goodstuff

I'm excited

Also, Jerry Jones wouldn't have pulled this shit if his team had any chance of making it to/through postseason. He waited until after their loss on Sunday and was like "well, we suck, I guess I can cause problems now, it's what my fellow white supremacists AND uber-rich friends want anyway, heregoes!"

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P-Diddy is hilarious

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Chargers D doesn't look too bad I think they could be higher than 1-7 in the draft.

Rams look good they could go post season.

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I didn't say they looked good or even decent, just not too bad (bad enough) to place them that low. Plus the giants had 2 receivers taking the heavy coverage for the TE to get what he got.

It looks like they'll improve a bit too.

Season looks kind of wide open except for a handful of teams.

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I can see the giants winning 0 games this year

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2 third rounders would be a steal...for the giants

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halfway through Super Bowl XIV

hey does anyone have handy the list of teams that have never won the super bowl?

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knew the Elliot suspension was coming back

cowboys were cooked before, now they're burnt

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this is a good suspension, could be even longer imo

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you obviously don't get it and I don't have the energy to explain it to you

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wait I thought of a simpler way

it's as simple as this:

Goodell had a meeting with Elliot. They sit down. Goodell looks Elliot in the eyes and says "is there any truth to these allegations" and in an instant Goodell has his answer, simply by reading body language and voice.

You have kids? ever watch kids? Something breaks, they each blame the other, but if you know how to read people you can tell which one is lying and which one is telling the truth. You don't need undeniable evidence to dole out justice / know who needs punished, that is what is good about Goodell's position, it's actually more reasonable than the law system, because, really, that is broken and doesn't work most of the time anyway. Otherwise Elliot would have gotten away with shit if it were left up to the law (like is typical for domestic violence.)

perhaps you think OJ Simpson should be allowed back into the league? Maybe let him coach or be a broadcaster?

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wow, people are fucking thick, just because sometimes you can't tell someone is lying doesn't mean you always can't tell anybody is lying

fucking sick that people are defending this asshole, and sad that they're so blinded by whatever that they can't tell someone who is a violent abusive person when it is so blatantly obvious - this is why it is good that Goodell has the power he has, because other people with less integrity just look for any excuse not to take action

I bet some think Rose McGowen is out of line too because she has no evidence she was assaulted/raped

"derrrderrrr give me evidence or it never happened!" - learn some common fucking sense / to use brains

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how so?

what's insane to me is that anyone thinks Elliott shouldn't face consequences or be held accountable for being a shitbag

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probably only a month recovery depending how bad, packers are injured out the waazzoooo though they aren't going far this season I don't think
cowboys are no good this season and packers barely beat them, so...

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weird for some reason I thought it was his other shoulder when I saw the headline

Kaep to the Pack?

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I love Tony Romo as a commentator, he's a little rough but he's new and I think he'll get better

I've liked him as a person for a while, was always bummed he was on the Cowboys

watching steelers vs. chiefs now~

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weird for some reason I thought it was his other shoulder when I saw the headline

Kaep to the Pack?

You don't think hundley has any potential at all?

no idea don't even know who he is (don't watch college), you tell me!

Kaep not going to get hired if he's taking legal proceedings though

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Romo isn't ever going to consider coming back to the league

Favre is more likely to come back than Romo

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omg, watching the Giants vs. Broncos and dude says "here the Giants are coming off a worse week than Harvey Weinstein"

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I grew up watching Randall Cunningham...

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more relevant I think is that I doubt he's been keeping conditioned, who knows though (I'm sure someone does)

plus he's not going to get hired with legal proceedings going against the league anyway

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I'm rewatching the week 1 game Eagles vs. Redskins. I probably won't get to tonight's game until tomorrow.

I think it is not the greatest idea to have 2 teams face each other twice before either has their bye-week.

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he's more than just a talented tackle

and it looks really bad, fucking brutal - still waiting for the report on it

I don't think anyone in the league can do as good as JP does, so hopefully Vaitai or whoever else they might get to step in there can at least hold their own, and can learn and improve over the next handful of games more than anything. They don't need someone to come in and be 100% right away, but someone with the potential to get it right at a high level as thes season progresses.

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gd

figured the Jason Peters injury was that bad, but, damn, it's that bad

Jordan Hicks out for the season too

I think they should keep Lane Johnson on the right and just work a ton with Vaitai to get him to do a manageable job

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take it to the limit

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yeah, the scheduling is crap this year I don't know if it is just a bunk year because that's how it had to go or what (I am pretty sure it uses an algorithm to decide most of the schedule after they handpick a few matches and put in necessary factors)

I was thinking it had more to do with me not really following for a couple years, having less of a feel for teams, and so not being as interested as I might be in as many matchups, but, meh, there's not been many weeks where there's been more than 1 or 2 games a week that I'm excited about.

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it also allows divisional teams to be more refined and more representative of their skill going towards the end of season and potentially into postseason

playing divisional games in the first 1-3 weeks to any large percentage (not saying it makes sense to not have ANY in the first 3 weeks, but, a very low %) I think is a bit bogus, it doesn't really let the division pan out as "true"

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I just saw the best part of the ravens dolphins game

poor kitty, it must have been terrified, glad it's safe and adopted!

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haha

dolphins aren't fish!

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The NFL scheduling feels badly organized this year.

I'm still trying to figure out how Philadelphia and Washington have already played twice before midseason

Yay this is dumb about this years schedule too. In general Washington probably has the most screwed up schedule this year. Week 4 they were the monday night football game. Week 5 they had a bye. Week 6 they were the sunday night game. Week 7 they were the monday night foot ball game again. I don't hate or love washington, but they weren't a playoff team last year. So why we giving them prime time show offs like this?

the last MNF game was more about the eagles and their visitor was 2ndary, which is another reason why it shouldn't have been washington (made a previous post griping about it so, no need to do more)

I didn't like how Gruden announcing Monday was inferring / say that the eagles are bullies at all though. He doesn't like the eagles and I think was going a bit far to paint them in a bad light (to some, others wouldn't care, but it is a subversive type thing)

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I wonder, how is it / how does it feel wearing #49 on the 49ers?

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I was thinking maybe it was just in case sort of thing, since Sproles is gone, if another gets hurt, they like a handful of RBs (on hand)

I don't think Barner gets cut

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wow, just heard Daniel Te'o-Nesheim died suddenly yesterday

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I'm fantasizing that the Eagles cockblocked the cowboys from getting Ajayi

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ohmy, that is a bit poop for brains

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eagles like to have a RB pool with varying talents - Ajayi is like an improved and younger Blount after he gets some better experience and coaching

Ajayi is better than people think with room to improve and is young, eagles wouldn't have gotten him if they didn't like him, blocking the cowboys would just be an added bonus, no way they'd do that as even a secondary reason, just a tertiary reason

Smallwood is just a different type of back, not a hammerer as much

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DRC should have been traded

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McAdoo does seem pretty bad, and it wasn't just his playcalling before he turned it over

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maybe he's just interim punching bag

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ohman, that expression always irks me

"out with an eye"

like, are they honeymooning and out of the country?

butya, that was a bit of a nasty injury

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you nailed it, he's "out with an eye INJURY"

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I'm watching the Steelers vs. Eagles from last year and Phil Simms comments on how in-shape the officials are, and Jim says "next year it'll be the announcers" and Phil says "I have a lot of work to do" - hahaa

funny, cause Tony Romo is in so much better shape than Phil Simms

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if I were a browns fan I might refer to them as "the shits" or "the shitstains"

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darby has been out the whole season

ertz is out? damn

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well the Eagles 2ndary is doing an excellent job and I don't think they were sure that was going to happen so were aiming to get Darby back ASAP but now that the 2ndary is doing so well they can let Darby heal heal heal to make sure he's 100%

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yeah at this point one just waits for it

Ertz should def. just rest, the other TEs have it covered even though it's not the same chemistry it's competent

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HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! I haven't read anything on this page since pre-games yesterday because I haven't watched all the games I want to yet

currently watching Chiefs at Cowboys and

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the play right before halftime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOWOWOWWWWWW

ok back to the game!

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i dont know how I'm supposed to feel when multiple people are declaring my team the most dominant force in the league
what even is this?

certainly not real life!

commentators were good to kick fans back to reality with "they started the 2004 season with this record"

the rest of the schedule is pretty tough looking except the Giants, looking forward to it!

it was nice seeing Celek a bit more involved, love him

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hey, it's a new era

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Sam Bradford hurt....aAGAIN...I'm not in the least bit surprised! some ppl are made of cupcake paper, he is definitely one

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I'm not angry, why would I be angry

guy knows he's cupcake paper and keeps playing, that is on him, I don't feel bad for him, I feel bad for his teams, glad I missed when he was in philly, really

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yah, it's like they barely paid for Wentz

Howie is a master

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giants

when in doubt

bet on the better coach

you can give me part of your winnings :þ (jk)

I do not endorse betting!

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you asked who is worse

answer is giants because worse coach with no doubt, also I think a worse team, but when in doubt, no doubt worse coach on giants, imo

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it's going to be a trainwreck

I am definitely not going to watch

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I've heard manson playing in the cbs clibs I think

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Pam Oliver didn't take her retainer/mouth piece or whatever out. Plus something is wonky there, there have been at least 2 "oopsie" shots with her, like camera cut-aways that shouldn't have happened. I think this crew is on crack. And ffffff Charles Davis blargh.

just starting 2nd half of redskins vs. vikings, first game I'm watching so far, dododooo, probably watching the cowboys falcons game next

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I fell asleep very early in watching the falcons vs. cowboys, I woke up this morning and it was at game end on my screen with the score right there, I laughed, and have since rewound to watch the cowboys get their asses beat

it's such a good feeling

Jerry Jones doesn't want to be in the NFL he can leave BYE BYE JERRY! ugh it'd be great but no he just is GREEEEED

I like Roger Goodell btw ppl just angry he has so much power but hey, that's how it goes when you have the power, I don't think he really abuses it and is better than most commissioners and has done a lot of good for the game

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btw I just discovered yesterday that the defending team can return a 2 point attempt for 2 points - wowsa awesome

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play blitz?

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I don't know what that means ?

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ohya, definitely haven't played that :þ

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did anyone ever play football on Atari 2600? You could literally run around to the other side of the screen with your players

I was going to bring this up because it's the only football video game I've played

oh wait I had a handheld thing from the early 80s that was awesome!!!

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watching week 2 vikings vs. steelers

cause it makes sense todo

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haha cowboys put in their backup QB

eagles should have put in foles after that

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yah, it struck a chord of familiarity when I read it too

it's interesting for sure to be so hot at this point, because it's so unusual

oh I recognized several weeks ago at this point and meant to say something, because I thought it was cool

the Eagles picked up Alshon Jeffrey, who had been #17 on the bears last year is #17 on the Eagles this year, and on the Eagles last year #17 was Agholor, so it seems like he deferred giving it to the more veteran player / person who had had the # longer, and I think that is nice

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I'm definitely curious to know

you (General Yu!) know that during the Giants vs. Eagles game at the end when Eagles kicker Elliot was setting up to go for the 61yd. game-winning field goal, Carson Wentz standing on the sideline says "if he makes this I'm giving him my whole game check" (and of course did)

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hey where is my share of the $$$ for being right about the giants vs. 49ers game?!

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funny cause I almost said "dough" instead of "$$$"

derfail

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Dak Prescott killed a play and changed it to "reefer!" - called it out 4 times pretty surse

Tony Romo says it's "Revert" but...

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I been waiting for the fall of Dak Prescott but figured it'd take longer but when you have no depth a less than good QB becomes glaringly obvious and yep that's what happened there

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Dak is young so it is probably too soon to tell what his potentials are but right now he's not doing very well. The team is not doing very well. The game seems way too fast for him and he is seeing about 1/50th of what is going on and is just overwhelmed. No 1 QB does it all for their team, and ppl saying Tom Brady props his team up confuse me because the team and coaching around him has always been better than what a lot of people have. Peyton Manning did loads more with loads less than Tom Brady ever had to. Aaron Rodgers has been on good teams, with good defenses, again, mostly way better than Peyton Manning ever had.

anyway back to Dak - it's not a very good team, they have no depth at all, and very little chemistry, at this point I think it's just a matter of see what they have next year after Dak progresses more through the rest of this season (if he can) and they get another offseason

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maybe they're hoping he gives a good showing so they can trade him for more value than they think he's worth

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I'm guessing that is Geno Smith with the butterfingers?

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Eli can't duplicate anything of Peyton I don't think

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I think Eli and Jags is almost a foregone conclusion

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"false start, everyone but the center"

haha

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agree, he's above average - good

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ohh heelllllll yeah!

4year extension for Alshon Jeffrey!

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I think McAdoo thinks it will help save his job is all

and he's bad at it and doesn't know what to do

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don't think so

not that you care what I think!

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uhoh someone in atlanta is losing their job today

mispainted hash markers

this is going to be an interesting watch

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Hi I'm just here to rejoice in the firing of Ben and Jerry.

HERE HERE

I don't even like the giants so much but I don't wish them that crap either

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how about Marvin Lewis to the Giants

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ppl who don't like the raiders on some level have no soul!

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btw they should have never let Sean Payton back in to the NFL

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omfg

fuck the patriots forever

as if it wasn't that before

clearly a fucking TD - of course

control, break the plane of the EZ = TD, you learn that in 3rd grade

the patriots (or the underground mob-ties or whatever it is) either pay off the officials in NY, or have their family members kidnapped and held for leverage

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it's only an issue / that rule is only a thing IF THE BALL IS CAUGHT IN THE ENDZONE, NOT TAKEN TO THE ENDZONE

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Thom Brennaman and Chris Spielman are both so bad - Thom is airheaded and it's like he did too many pharmaceuticals in the 70s, Chris is just Neanderthal-ish

(I listened to the eagles game live, not watched, now am watching and have to deal with these 2)

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4th down false start penalty at the end of the eagles vs. giants game, causing a 10 second run-off of the clock

eagles should decline the penalty so that a.) they don't give the giants' offense more space to work with and, b.) they don't get the 10 second run-off which, if the giants end up scoring, the eagles would want more time on the clock

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6 points that would have won the giants the game:

1 - blocked extra point
3 - blocked field goal
2 - safety after changeover on downs and eagles were backed up near the end zone until they got space by a giants' penalty after their 4th down play was over

I don't know if I've seen a special teams get 3 different types of kick-blocks in a game before

extra point, field goal, punt

what you going to do next, block a kickoff?

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yes obviously it was clear from the get go he was a terrible coach

and I would say yes of course it is better to have lost for draft purposes, especially considering it was mostly a moral victory (even though I'm sure eli is like "fuck the stats I want to get the win")

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right exactly it's a fumble in the endzone which is then recovered

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4th down false start penalty at the end of the eagles vs. giants game, causing a 10 second run-off of the clock

eagles should decline the penalty so that a.) they don't give the giants' offense more space to work with and, b.) they don't get the 10 second run-off which, if the giants end up scoring, the eagles would want more time on the clock

meh, I think it takes away the option of a run play

worth it to keep the shorter distance, giants weren't running well at all vs. eagles and that's easy enough to defend that far out for eagles D at that point, more distance even gives runners more space to move through if you want to contest that it doesn't remove the run option if the penalty is taken

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Also are you kidding me no? 4th and 12 at the goal line is much more difficult than fourth and 6. Eli even said after the game: "There aren't a lot of good fourth and goal from the 12 plays in the play book."

From that spot the giants essentially have 1 option for the play which helps the eagles defend.

hmm, yeah, well, hard to agrue considering the result anyway, but, it's definitely how I was thinking end of game

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from a coaching standpoint and advantage standpoint

- the super bowl is in Minnesota, so which do you think is better (General Yu!) ? :

a.) the Eagles get home field advantage through the playoffs

b.) the Eagles travel to Minnesota for the NFC Championship and get familiarity with 1.) the travel there, 2.) potential winter weather conditions, 3.) the facilities and overall stadium, 4.) a dominantly Minnesota biased crowd conditions which in turn prepares them for super-bowl conditions as far as noise+unfriendly territory, and all of those making it 5.) a harder test overall to further help the Eagles be more prepared for the SuperBowl

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from a coaching standpoint and advantage standpoint

- the super bowl is in Minnesota, so which do you think is better (General Yu!) ? :

a.) the Eagles get home field advantage through the playoffs

b.) the Eagles travel to Minnesota for the NFC Championship and get familiarity with 1.) the travel there, 2.) potential winter weather conditions, 3.) the facilities and overall stadium, 4.) a dominantly Minnesota biased crowd conditions which in turn prepares them for super-bowl conditions as far as noise+unfriendly territory, and all of those making it 5.) a harder test overall to further help the Eagles be more prepared for the SuperBowl

6) Eagles lose their first game of the playoffs anyway, so this is all pointless speculation

it was a question of which anyone thinks is better :þ

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actually, it's a fumble at the worst

but really, it's control with the football crossing the plane = TD

control is ONE THING - there is not receiver control vs. QB control vs. punter control vs. RB control, etc. (it's simply that a receiver is not deemed to ever FULLY have control unless they maintain the catch while going to the ground, but this only applies if they have not yet gone from the state of being a "defenseless player/receiver in the action of catching the ball" TO (the switch indicator of which is that element that makes it go from one TO the other here) a "player with the ball who is a valid target for regular legal hits, tackling, stripping of the football" (which is a fumble action that CAN occur after a CATCH has been made and the receiver has established control, again going back to the control being ONE THING)

therefore he had control

and if anyone has control when they cross the plane (or touch an orange pillar anywhere!), it's a TD

therefore it was a TD

and I'm not trying to argue anything else about it (as far as "well that's not the rule" or "well that's not how the play was interpreted), I'm more talking about this above ^ is being end-all be-all of it as far as any rule in place should be striving for that and in the spirit of it and that should be the determiner that guides the rule IF for any reason that is not congruent with the current rule or the NFL's general interpretation of whatever rule(s) may be in question in regards to all of that, more talking about the rule using that play as an example to illustrate the nuance points that need to be determined to make the correct call

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Imagine how many touchdowns every team in the league would have if it counted as soon as a player in the endzone had it briefly in their possession?

that's not what was said/argued for at all

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hmm, yes, Oprah buying the Panthers is a great idea actually

hope it happens

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haha, dave dameshek says something like:

"in the giants most jets-like year even the jets show the giants who the true jets are by out-jetting them by WINNING GAMES at this point in the season and going down in the draft - perhaps they're interested in geno smith for a bargain?"

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Panthers stadium might be the angriest most aggressive in the league, it'd shape up I hope!

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perhaps it's not something as sinister as ties to the patriots threatening the well-being of officials, maybe Gisselle just does "favors" for some of the officials + head of officiating on occasion

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BAHAHAHA!

Andy Reid dressed as Santa Claus in his post game interview

love that guy

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play calling has been questionable for a few weeks, not sure what the deal is

I partly wonder if they're checking configurations or he's not showing certain things with his play calling to save it for post season, not sure, but,

*phewwwwwwwwww*

wow, homefield through the playoffs, that is pretty exciting!

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huh? how do you have a 1 possession game??

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ohmy, duh, of course

have no idea why my brain read it the other way, pretty funny

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hahah

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I don't see the steelers letting the patriots win if they end up facing each other and I don't see the steelers losing to the jags again

never seen the NFC so up for grabs it's pretty exciting

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am watching super bowl XXXIV, it just happens to be the next one I have to watch chronologically that is available

rams vs. titans

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in this rams vs. titans superbowl (January 2000) they show a shot of young Clay Matthews in the stadium watching the game - with how he looks now, I'd say he's had plastic surgery...

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eagles can handle falcons no problem

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The weather might tilt the Eagles and Minnesota games into the home team's favors. Silly dome away teams...

fyi, Eagles are Vikings should already favored :þ

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hence the word should :þ

watched last year's eagles vs. falcons game some days ago...I don't see how the domination changes unless there is a complete lack of execution

-edit

*phew*

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it's stupid that in a situation like that that kicking the extra point is mandatory, and the only reason it makes sense that it is mandatory is to support the betting world, which is fucking terrible

it should be done away with

a walk-off win at 0 seconds is a WALK-OFF WIN

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Also, why are field goal%s so much higher today than they were 20 years ago?

a passing guess would be turf quality

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who are you going to call delay of game on? the media?

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Also, why are field goal%s so much higher today than they were 20 years ago?

a passing guess would be turf quality

also possibly more indoor stadiums meaning less weather factors

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McAdon't

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he did lots of really stupid stuff, I couldn't believe he was a coach, I can't believe they let him coach for as long as they did, he's one of the worst coaches I've seen in the past 20+ years I think?

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well obviously, that's why it should only be a rule *if the opposing team has a chance to tie or win the game with a 1 or 2 pt. after attempt

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I've analyzed, thought about it, reflected, taken time, and...

Eagles have this if they don't fuckup

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I'm a Cowboys fan, but I'm rooting for the Eagles in the Super Bowl just like I rooted for the Giants twice.

Anti-Patriots sentiment trumps divisional rivalries.

as an eagles fan, I think a New England v Dallas Superbowl would just have me cheering for a meteor

I despise them both but the Cowboys have a tiny sliver of a notch of less despicableness than the patriots - a tie would be great, can there be a tie in the super bowl?

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ahyes, then an endless ultimate slugfest would be preferred, no question

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matchup is fine if it is a deathmatch

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he's a big pissant

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oh it wasn't really in regards to the bodily harm

he probably raises little pissants though

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I don't like to click on blind links can you give a semi-description of a sort?

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Gostowski should have been kicked out of the game for throwing a clothesline punch

that's from coaching, folks!

what scum the patriots are

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I'm so happy for Nick Foles

me too, I've been a fan of his since he was drafted and have known he's great

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I think Collinsworth wanted the Eagles to win so badly he had issues

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how can you be valuable if you lead your team to a loss?

Nick Foles caught a touchdown and was great, definitely MVP

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they aren't going to trade Foles

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I think Collinsworth wanted the Eagles to win so badly he had issues

Uh did you listen to his comments about either of those TDs that got reviewed?

yes, absolutely

he has a huge soft spot for Philly and didn't want it to show

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he will backup Wentz

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I've been saying that since 2013

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T-Bone, what did an eagles fan ever do to you? sounds pretty personal

I think the general sports fan is pretty despicable - bunch of ignorant testosterone-ridden over-competitive meatheads

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and he's your dad?

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the value in that quote is referring to the value in relation to being MVP - meaning MOST valuable

you are not the most valuable player in the game if you were on the losing side, it's basic logic