Micro 789 - Alternating 9p - Mafia wins

[CheekyTeeky]

Sup! I haven't read yet but just looking at that VC, it looks like NM has been jacked.

Please refrain from scum claiming/hammering until I've had a chance to share my thoughts.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh also ZZZX, can you please explain why you're casting a useless vote?

[CheekyTeeky]

Hi. Who’re the goons?

What an obviously posturing question.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

lurker scum lets lynch him before he posts

If this hasn't changed through your following posts I say we flash lynch you.

[CheekyTeeky]

Hi. Who’re the goons?

VOTE: Christopher for not having an avatar. You're the goons!

Obvious townslip by Christopher, GL fell for it.
GGEZ

VOTE: GreenLiquid

Obvious town slip in what universe? This better be an RVS joke.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't agree with this and it feels kind of LAMIST to me. Can you elaborate on why you think Raskie's answer is towny?

I don't expect him to be bored if he's talking to a scumbuddy beforehand. Though, it could be scoping out the playlist, I guess.

I guess, but his first post was multiple hours after the day began so it's not as if he could have gone straight from conversation with his partner to the game thread. Feels like a stretch.

How is that lamist?

Basically because it doesn't appear very reasonable, and feels like you're trying to be on record townreading someone more than it feels like you are actually sorting Raskie.

This dude is town. Clearly game solving.

[CheekyTeeky]

It's a strange conversation to have, but even stranger to drag it out.
I like Buj's observation here.

No comments on GL's observations? Feels like pocketing town Bu.

[CheekyTeeky]

I agree that putting Lovebird in a scumpool, but in the same post mentioning that is has no reason to act like that if scum, is just weird.
Still like how he tries to steer conversation away, because that was leading us nowhere.

Rask town, a lot of effort into trying to keep discussion going/getting it started.

N_M is out of his town meta, where he usually votes his first scumread (very) early, so let's see how that develops.
Lovebird town vibes

ZZZX weak first post
GL early town read, too much effort in discussing townread/NAI with lovebird, doesn't feel like a scum play

Christopher afk


Bujabers contradiction is the most scummy thing so far imo, let's see where that leads us

VOTE: Bujaber

Fake busy work. Progression on Bu feels unnatural while he fans the flames on NM wagon.

[CheekyTeeky]

@Christopher what do you think of the love, me, and GL interaction

As for lovebird. What she did was definitely pro-town in what it accomplished, but as a tell I think it's complicated. For a newer player I would absolutely townread that because new scum do avoid attention and also aren't even necessarily aware they'd get townread for being pro-town/lamist. OTOH giving lovebird that would be careless, she has some scum games already here with competent level of play and is from offsite before that (not to put paranoia on her either though which would be unfair). That said the thought process itself adds up and 37 is some nuance at least so even if it's "graspy" I don't think it's shallow and don't feel it's scummy.

On the whole I agree with your 47.

I think Lovebird's 37 is pro-town, and I kind of respect the hunt. I see where he was going with it, but I read it more of an integration between RvS and day 1 as opposed to a genuine read. It's similar to how I read Bu's opening.

On the substantive anxious/bored vs checking profiles before-or-after the day started, it's NAI for me.

Sup

The more things seem to change, the more they stay the same

I want to focus on this from Not_Mafia. Even after we were moving on from RvS during the whole love read, Not_Mafia comes in with this? And then follows up with that? Hi Not_Mafia. How are you?

Ico, Chris scum team?

[CheekyTeeky]

I just feel people trying to talk about people not posting enough or not giving enough content at the 2nd (or 3rd?) day is really... fake

Lets keep it at that

VOTE: Raskolnikov

Fake

Town read you and now you make this bad vote :/ I'm hoping it's a reaction test.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: not mafia
Fuck it, I want to wagon not mafia now.

...nooo don't make it this hard to sort you. You OMGUS voted then went back to an NM lynch??? In what world does voting NM ever give you content?

[CheekyTeeky]

tr Greenliquid.

leantown on BuJaber, Iconeum, and Lovebird.

Major's afk, and i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

tbh, I'm null on ZZZX and Rask.

leanscum on no content Not_Mafia.

How is this guy not at L-1?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Major Minor

Ya, I'm fine with this wagon. I stand by my reads.

Honestly, BuJaber's opening so far is NAI. FMPOV, it's just his town and scum opening.

I'm pretty sure you'd be fine with anything at this point.

[CheekyTeeky]

Thank you chris for the explanation.

To townread you I'll need more yet. But since you explained there isn't a specific reason to scumread you so you're back to town by PoE.

What I do know is that if icon flips scum it clears you for sure because no way that was a distancing/bussing post by Icon.

Bu which post please?

[CheekyTeeky]

Shit I missed that chris had a townlean on me.

Okay

1 scum in {NM, chris, Major, Icon}
1 scum in {GL, Rask, Lovebird}.

I get that people might disagree with it as a strategy but it's natural for me.

I am not locking myself to these people as only possible scum.

For example for the GL, Rask, love pool I strongly believe I am right for thinking that discussion was intentionally encouraged by scum. So until they flip or I can confidently townread all three that pool will remain as it is.

Icon you're not getting it. I don't know any other way to explain it.

Like, I'm really trying to understand here because it's important. But if you are town, then with the exception of 1 player, you are putting every single other player in the brackets and saying 'i'm not locking myself to these people as only possible scum'. Who else are you going to include here, then?

On top of that, the only player you are not including, zzzzzzzzx, you read as null. Not as town. Null. That means you are scumreading everyone else.

On top on top of that, you are voting NM which is the easier wagon to go on. There's no real other attempts at sorting players, and the 'waiting for information' is just a scumread imo.

This is so BS. Stop scum reading people who are trying to sort the game for not having their reads locked down yet...why tf are you only calling out Bu for the NM vote???

[CheekyTeeky]

Never in any universe lynching from actives in a day 1 like this

Be helpful. Is this day about to end? Why not use your vote on players who provide content, and whom would give us good connections if lynched?

Who are your top TRs and SRs?

[CheekyTeeky]

Yay, someone else scumreads ico.

VOTE: Iconeum

Would rather Chris. Also would like to hear from Bu on the unlikelihood of a Ico/Chris team.

NM is town you fools. Try generating content by wagoning other players.

My biggest suspects are Chris/love/Rask/Ico atm.

Will do ISOs and discuss later.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh and VOTE: Raskolnikov

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh also ZZZX, can you please explain why you're casting a useless vote?

I take this back. I understand now.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yay, someone else scumreads ico.

VOTE: Iconeum

Hey Love can you go over your SR of Ico please?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok ty. Love reads like frustrated town. So I'm down to Ico/Chris/Rask

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok ty. Love reads like frustrated town. So I'm down to Ico/Chris/Rask

Happy to lynch in these 3 and open to anyone's thoughts or comments.

[CheekyTeeky]

Would rather Chris.

Why chris SR

NM is town you fools.

Why

Chris has done nothing that looks genuinely towny and seems to want to vote anybody that's under suspicion instead of sorting for himself. I'll go into this more when I have time.

NM is most likely town from meta and for being the first person scum have tried to wagon.

[CheekyTeeky]

I got a different impression when I skimmed so

How could you have got a different impression when you literally voted him in RVS?

[CheekyTeeky]

I wasn't serious when I RVS voted, but I was when I actually skimmed him and started townreading most other players. You can vote someone in rvs and then start actually scumreading them later even if it's the same vote.

You can, but at what point did you announce your RVS vote had turned serious?

What bugs me more than your sloppy wagon on NM (because scum shouldn't be so silly to try and lynch him knowing he's an easy mislynch player) is you going on about lack of content and participation yet you're not moving your vote around except in one case to OMGUS a player, but you keep pushing theone player YOU KNOW isn't going to fight back or give anyone any decent content. It makes me think you don't actually want content and you're just trying to look townie. I think someone else called you LAMIST for it.

[CheekyTeeky]

NM is most likely town from meta

Can you go into detail

In his town meta he is a troll. He looks pretty trolly here.

How do you think his meta is his scum meta here?

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh also ZZZX, can you please explain why you're casting a useless vote?

I take this back. I understand now.

Also, this is strange to me, are you're saying ZZZX's view was justified because of things you read/happened after-the-fact?

Yes? Duh.

So I enter and all I see is the VCA. I deduced two things at the point I made the comment.

1. NM prob town, scum pushing his wagon.
2. Zzzx not engaged in town dialogue as not part of the main wagon and counter.

Then I read the game. Saw why he's voting you and staying out of the wagons.

[CheekyTeeky]

In his town meta he is a troll. He looks pretty trolly here.

How do you think his meta is his scum meta here?

Trolling afaik is NAI for him.
As town I thought he seemed a bit more interested in the game than as scum and at least was usually throwing his vote around early.

Cool story bro. Any other scum reads?

[CheekyTeeky]

To be honest, I was wondering if you were whiteknighting N_M because his ISO doesn't suggest anything that could possibly give a townread, but I guess the "my scumreads are pushing him!" is a thing people do sometimes.

I could be entirely wrong about NM on the basis that I don't think anybody could read him. To simplify everything because I might be unclear my logic is as follows and has nothing to do with being conf biased:

1. Nobody can read NM consistently enough for him to be a hard scumread/D1 lynch.
2. Players have a higher probability of rolling town
3. It would be safer for town to assume NM is also town until we can PoE
4. Lack of content in this game means nobody has been able to PoE
5. Scum are pushing for a NM lynch.

[CheekyTeeky]

I find it a little strange you are so against the NM lynch. You admit yourself nobody can read NM with much consistency. Your scumreads are voting there but so am I.

I find it strange that you think you can read him well enough that you're not considering other scum reads. You're allowed to find it strange. I think my logic is fine.

[CheekyTeeky]

@CheekyTeeky: A couple of problems I have with your catch-up:

Thank you for your thoughts I'll relook taking them into consideration.

[CheekyTeeky]

Not to mention cheeky says she has a read on NM but then tries to back it up by saying scum are pushing that wagon. She doesn't sound confident about NM which begs the question why claim you have a read on him at all.

I thought I was pretty clear about why I thought NM is likely town? I also thought my explanation on why I consider his wagon scummy was crystal...

[CheekyTeeky]

Saying that Not_Mafia can't be read, like he's some kind of Mafia enigma, seems like nonsense in light of the above. If the games I looked at aren't representative, let me know, but besides that I don't see any reason not to suspect him right now.

Can we talk about other scum reads you have? How do you feel about Ico and Chris?

[CheekyTeeky]

Would rather Chris.

Why chris SR

NM is town you fools.

Why

Chris has done nothing that looks genuinely towny and seems to want to vote anybody that's under suspicion instead of sorting for himself. I'll go into this more when I have time.

NM is most likely town from meta and for being the first person scum have tried to wagon.

tr Greenliquid.

leantown on BuJaber, Iconeum, and Lovebird.

Major's afk, and i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

tbh, I'm null on ZZZX and Rask.

leanscum on no content Not_Mafia.

How is this guy not at L-1?

Care to explain?

One thing that you're apparently tunneling me over is being the first to post substance.

I posted my reads and this was your reply. I started the NM wagon and you scumlean me.

Can you give a brief explanation for your reads? I feel like it's pretty easy to throw a list together like that. Scum faking readslists and pushing a bad wagon is pretty common.

[CheekyTeeky]

NM is most likely town from meta

Can you go into detail

In his town meta he is a troll. He looks pretty trolly here.

How do you think his meta is his scum meta here?

Setting aside your meta (which doesn't help us much here, in this game), what is your read of NM?

I'm kind of annoyed that I keep getting asked this question. I think he's most likely town because of the wagon on him that's taken the focus of the game. I didn't see convincing arguments on why he's scum except from GL and even that is based on meta.

[CheekyTeeky]

Christopher aside from NM who do you scum read if you had to choose right now? I'm taking myself off the table because I feel that's too safe an answer because I'm disagreeing with the majority of players.

Could you please explain how Rask is null to you?

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote Count

Not_Mafia - 3 - Raskolnikov, christopher, BuJaber
BuJaber - 2 - Iconeum, GreenLiquid
Raskolnikov - 2 - ZZZX, CheekyTeeky
Iconeum - 1 - Lovebird
Christopher - 1 - Not_Mafia

Not Voting - none.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline is April 2 at 1pm EST

I'm also finding it pretty strange that GL is so convinced NM is scum but he's voting Bu.

GL can you please explain how Bu is a better wagon than NM for your vote to be on him prior to your intent to hammer?

[CheekyTeeky]

@CheekyTeeky: what is your read on BuJaber? I think his is the only slot you didn't really give any clear comment on during your catch-up posts.

Ok first I'll say the rest of your post I haven't quoted is great posting and I agree with all your reads except I'm paranoid about Ico having pocketed you by applying secondary pressure to your reads like on Bu but I agree he is less suspect than Chris.

Now Bu I will have to look into deeper, I didn't see anything on my catch up that pinged me immediately and I'll admit I might've neglected to critically read his posts whilst distracted by an Ico/Chris possibility. I will say that it's pretty advanced play for scum to be discussing pair relationships like Bu has with Ico/Chris. I'm not familiar with Bu or his meta so not sure if that is outside of his scumrange?

[CheekyTeeky]

Bu

42 - critically assesses Love in a towny way. I disagree with the logic but the intent is good. The only way I could see this being scummy is in a Bu/Love scum team.

62 Feels towny - I think scum are unlikely to explain themselves in such depth because they think it'll make them more suspicious. Lack of self-awareness that I think scum would show in a similar scenario.

Skimming the rest, he is defensive but it feels genuine and he's continually updating his reads whilst being pushed. I also love his game progressing tactics.

Unless Bu is some kind of scum genius I don't see him being scum here. I feel like GL may be in a bit of a biased tunnel with his initial impression of him.

[CheekyTeeky]

Bu why NM?

[CheekyTeeky]

Just skimmed Lovebird, I can def see why theyre pinging people but I don't see them being scum either. I liked them looking to sort players from the get go in RVS - the whole Rask did a towny thing which I think is actually scummy but they were looking for clues none-the-less.

Chris/Rask both look to be posturing in RVS. Can anyone else see it?

[CheekyTeeky]

I just feel people trying to talk about people not posting enough or not giving enough content at the 2nd (or 3rd?) day is really... fakeLets keep it at thatVOTE: Raskolnikov

While I agree that activity is NAI, I Feel Rask has made enough other posts to not scumread him.

Would like Ico to expand on what posts make him think Rask is town.

Kind of bothered me that he liked Bu early but quickly turned it into a scum read about some kind of contridiction. Progression didn't feel natural.

Ico how do you feel about Bu now?

[CheekyTeeky]

Just skimmed Lovebird, I can def see why theyre pinging people but I don't see them being scum either. I liked them looking to sort players from the get go in RVS - the whole Rask did a towny thing which I think is actually scummy but they were looking for clues none-the-less.

Chris/Rask both look to be posturing in RVS. Can anyone else see it?

Explain? You think it was scummy?

I guess I don't really remember anything chris said.

Explain Chris Rask in RVS?

More thoughts...

Zzzx is fine. Would like more interactions with others though. I think he saw what I'm seeing with Rask. A lot of points made about Rask using activity as AI also fits the hypocrisy in voting NM while complaining about lack of content.

[CheekyTeeky]

If you count my ten-year hiatus as "preparing for my triumphant return", definitely!

holy moly green you've been playing mafia over half your lifetime?

How you did know?

Did you, sorry.

i was bored and thought id look at everyone's profile and guess who didnt confirm yet

That's towny, I think.

Also, you and green aren't partnered. Both assuming scum chat pregame.

This is what I'm referencing Love.

[CheekyTeeky]

You think it's scum scoping out the playerlist? I guess, but I wouldn't think he'd mention anything from the profiles that he found then.

Good point. I think it's scummy because as scum myself I tend to research the playerlist. As GL and Ico said it looked LAMIST, like "look at how hard I want to solve this game that I look at people's info/meta" Being bored isnt really a valid argument online in 2018. Imo.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think GL is the kind of player that will get easier to spot as scum as the game progresses. I think I'd need a scum claim to lynch him D1. Didn't like that last post from Bu it felt omgusy. Sigh.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't get why you're acting like the game has to end now? We have more than a week left and Rask is speaking as if the day is about to end and we don't have time to scum hunt. This is even more ridiculous given that people have started moving their votes around a bit.

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't get why you're acting like the game has to end now? We have more than a week left and Rask is speaking as if the day is about to end and we don't have time to scum hunt. This is even more ridiculous given that people have started moving their votes around a bit.

You're absolutely right, I want to see a flip soon.

How is it pro-town to continue pushing for a low info flip when others are still sorting?

You argue that noone is towny enough yet you don't allow them time to be town read.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think he saw what I'm seeing with Rask. A lot of points made about Rask using activity as AI also fits the hypocrisy in voting NM while complaining about lack of content.

Go into detail how this is hypocritical, BTW. I don't have to be active myself to metaread someone for activity if I think it's AI for them, although actually that's also wrong because N_M being around the game start but disinterested at that point isn't even the same as saying low activity -> scum. You can say, okay, rask is pushing what looks like easy targets for what looks like easy reasons and I feel like that's scum motivated, but you're implying there's something scummy in my reasoning or reads and not getting specifically down to what it is.

You can split hairs on my argument all you want, it just makes you scummier.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm wondering if you're engaging with me in good faith or are just trying to make me look scummy.

Ok so go over how everyone apart from NM and me are a little bit scummy so you have no strong town reads?

[CheekyTeeky]

Hi. Who’re the goons?

VOTE: Christopher for not having an avatar. You're the goons!

Obvious townslip by Christopher, GL fell for it.
GGEZ

VOTE: GreenLiquid

Obvious town slip in what universe? This better be an RVS joke.

Considering it was my first post in the game, chances are that it was, in fact, an RVS joke.

Cheeky, you mention that I'm 'stirring the flames' on NM wagon, while in fact i've been the strongest opponent to an NM lynch this game.
Now that I'm done tunneling on Buj, I like your case on Christopher.

Several mentions on Buj where he states his actions are NAI, but townreads him anyway. His push on NM actually feels real, but it's the easiest path for scum to legit push.

N_M is out of his town meta, where he usually votes his first scumread (very) early, so let's see how that develops.
Lovebird town vibes

Sorry didn't read objectively after this post. Yep you can be town, your ISO wasn't as bad as I initially thought on a reread. I just think your reasons for TRing rask are pretty easy and not AI especially now that he seems to be doing the opposite to what you initially town read him for.

[CheekyTeeky]

ZZZX when you get here please give reads aside from Rask.

[CheekyTeeky]

Page 10 and I need a break! phew been working on my disseration for the last few days non stop and I've been super busy, Submission in three days so wish me luck~

My last 4 years were for this moment huh.

Anyway To leave you with something here are my reads until page 10:
Strong -> Weak read
Town: BuJaber, GreenLiquid, Cheeky
Null?Neutral: LoveBird
Scum: Raskolnikov(

Am somewhat starting to reconsider this read honestly but need to ISO him and do a PbPA

)/Iconeum
NotMafia: Notmafia

pedit: i want to re-read you and read those again as well after I full catch up.

Can you sell me on your reads then before I sleep? Its 4:30 and I am dead tired.

Good luck! That's super awesome

Where's Christopher on your list?

[CheekyTeeky]

That said, scum reading Cheeky Teeky and Not_Mafia does make some sense. I'm mixed on Cheeky, but her behavior since replacing in is perfectly consistent with a Cheeky / NM scum team.

I'm kind of offended that you think I'd be so thuggish in my chainsaw defense of my scum buddy. I could tell you reasons why that makes no sense but it all boils down to WIFOM.

In regards to my vote on Rask vs Chris, I use my vote a little differently to others. I'll let you know when I'm ready to lynch. It could very well end up being a Chris lynch.

Better explanations will come in a bit.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol I just noticed NM had a category of his own.

[CheekyTeeky]

I saw his comments that my posts are NAI but did not see that he also claimed I was a townlean. The townlean isn't the problem alone but he hasn't given any reason for me to move from null to townlean as you pointed out.

But my list is very good for associations. Say rask flips scum for example. It clears Love and GL for me (until lylo at least).
Say NM flips scum. I'd focus less on you and more at the GL/Love/Rask trio.

TBF, how successful has your early pool strategy been? I mean no disrespect, but its validity is built on a house of sand.

You're developing scum pools based on very early/RVS reads which kind of lock you in. You then use those reads to confidently narrow-down your scumpool.

On one hand, it's as valid as any other early-game strategy to identify scum. On the other hand, you're kind of locked-in to your reads lest you get accused of waffling (SCUM BEHAVIOR!!! ) or being wrong and you're letting a scum slip by.

Posts like this read scum!Christopher to me. Bujaber is making a point about Chris' inconsistent read progression on him.

Chris says many things Bu has done is NAI but in a lot of waffling words a few posts later says he's town. Rather than address how his read changed, he attacks BuJaber's sorting method.

Honestly both Rask and Chris ping me for starting the NM wagon. I find both their entrances are awful and posturing town.

Setting aside the above meta, I read BuJaber as slight town. From my POV in this game, his content has been generally pro-town.

I acknowledge that I need to be careful of being pocketed by Bu if he's scum, but that's more of a day 2 analysis (imo).

This is disgusting, he hasn't explained anything about his TR at all while trying to look like he has. Next he talks about Bu pocketing him after accusing Bu earlier of being scummy for rejecting his townread. In a way this spews Bu town for me.

In post 100 we see Chris' readlist where he puts Rask at null...on the same tier as NM. All of his content to this point avoids directly analysing rask but kind of talks around Rask. Looking through his ISO he's quoted Rask but prefers to engage BuJaber. So it's not like he hasn't had the opportunity to develop a read on Rask.

Rasks unvote/revote on NM and his LAMIST ways are pinging me harder than my points on Chris currently. I'm open to discussion on either of my reads but pretty happy with where my vote is currently.

[CheekyTeeky]

Like yeah there's 'towncred' motivation but killing a partner day 1 is a bad idea you don't do it unless it can't be stopped.

I have a bad habit of bussing my scum buddies lol. I know it's not optimal play D1 in a micro though, it's like a strong urge I have to fight when playing scum.

I know some people think it is optimal play for whatever reason, but I don't think you should rule out associatives based on optimal bussing strategy.

I'm not telling you to scumread us, I'm trying to tell you you're being naive and i hope you haven't incorporated that logic into your scum pools.

[CheekyTeeky]

If I can start decently townreading any of the town that necessarily exists in {Chris, ZZZX, Cheeky, N_M} it'd be a big help.

Why are you scum reading me?

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky, I'd like to follow-up on this analysis of NM from GL. How does GL's reads of NM's previous games affect or influence your read of NM in this game? You dismiss the idea that NM is/maybe scum because of meta, but what about this game specifically?

It's made me agree to disagree. I've been pretty clear about my read on NM coming from the circumstances I entered the game into. He is a low info push especially in RVS, I suspect that he is town because he was the focus of the game - about to be hammered when I entered and noone is admitting it's a policy lynch at best. Focusing on a low info slot deprives town from looking at other players and in particular gave Rask an excuse not to scum hunt elsewhere and base all his reads on activity. The whole thing is super fishy to me. If NM is scum then Rask deserves a Paragon for calling it in his first post before anyone else had entered. I believe it is optimal for town to PoE NMs alignment instead of lynching him in a low content environment. I'll certainly consider lynching him if I'm town reading most of you by the end of the day but that seems very unlikely right now.

Chris can you give me an updated readslist please?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: not mafia
Fuck it, I want to wagon not mafia now.

N_M's been posting elsewhere onsite the whole time which to some extent just makes me want to say fuck him. Icon's statement there is also consistent with my skims and was mainly why I think icon might be paying attention, though from experience saying meta on people you've played isn't that difficult either when scum so eh.

But I'm also lacking a bit in scumreads atm.

3 people have posted today :hmm:

I don't get why you're acting like the game has to end now? We have more than a week left and Rask is speaking as if the day is about to end and we don't have time to scum hunt. This is even more ridiculous given that people have started moving their votes around a bit.

You're absolutely right, I want to see a flip soon.

Rask looks like eager town to me.

Why would eager town want an NM flip of all things? Who would've been his partner if you guys had hammered before I got here? Why would Rask expect NM to contribute and complain about it instead of pushing other slots that weren't OMGUS. Eager town = posturing imo.

[CheekyTeeky]

Could be bored town. Fits with not wanting to wagon anyone who was being active.

So which is he? Eager town or bored town? I'll flip your question on you and ask why you're town reading him? I'd like to be proven wrong so I can sort other slots.

[CheekyTeeky]

I was townreading him because seemed to be trying to sort people early, hadn't really seen anything that made me change my mind.

You'll be easily fooled by scum if you think this shallowly. What do you make of his OMGUS vote on ZZZX?

[CheekyTeeky]

Okay, I see what you mean. Goes to not mafia as an easy push. Says he wants more content, but voting not mafia doesn't really accomplish that.

Yay I'm glad you can see it.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: love

I think this is her scumgame.

Can you expand on this?

[CheekyTeeky]

Idk, still would feel not right voting rask.

Why is Ico scummier than Rask to you?

[CheekyTeeky]

More votes on Rask please. I'm ready for a flip too.

[CheekyTeeky]

If you think NM/ZZZX are scum then why are you voting me? From your waffling I only see these reasons from your scumread on me:

- I haven't changed my theory of why you're scum.
- I haven't done research. How is that AI?

Your scum read makes no sense and this is your second OMGUS. If you're town then be more towny and analyse the wagon on you/try to see where people are coming from/make better votes.

[CheekyTeeky]

If you think NM/ZZZX are scum then why are you voting me? From your waffling I only see these reasons from your scumread on me:

- I haven't changed my theory of why you're scum.
- I haven't done research. How is that AI?

Your scum read makes no sense and this is your second OMGUS. If you're town then be more towny and analyse the wagon on you/try to see where people are coming from/make better votes.

the thing is usually I see some level of second guessing by now even if someone overall still thinks the same way

You mean how I said I don't know if NM is town but the whole situation is fishy af?

[CheekyTeeky]

that's like moonlogic though. would you think any d1 wagon on a lurkish slot is fishy af? would you never consider lynching a lurkish slot d1 in general? I don't know how you make the leap from a possibility to a probability

It was an initial impression and when I read the game the whole wagon and the behavior was fishy especially yours. You can discredit my read all you want but I've been clear about how and what I think.

[CheekyTeeky]

If N_M is a town led wagon who is scum cheeky?

If? Don't you mean since? I'm not playing. If it turns out that way I'll rethink then.

[CheekyTeeky]

he was an early town read and I don't feel pinged enough by him to totally erase that.

Sorry if I'm making you repeat yourself but can you go over your rask read progression from the start?

[CheekyTeeky]

It seems to me like his overall trajectory thus far makes more sense coming from town!Raskie than scum!Raskie, because scum!Raskie could have relatively easily ended his suffering earlier by faking a read.

I don't get how you can argue for a town rask but you can't see how silly it would be for a scum me to come into this game disagreeing with everyone and pushing for people to scum hunt. Best strat would've been for me to come in quietly and follow everyone else's reads even if that meant bussing my scum buddy. Yes it's WIFOM but you're using that to argue for town rask.

[CheekyTeeky]

Everyone should read GL's 443, and then reread it again. It's just a great post.
Lovebird is so obviously scum it's ridiculous.

Read especially the part about the read evolution from town to an L-1 vote.
Before that, I also called out his vote in 203, his vote in 198. Naked L-1 vote on NM. This was after being prodded. He also failed to mention that was an L-1 vote.

VOTE: lovebird


If you agree with this and agree with GL's read on love, you should be voting lovebird.
This lynch is so much better then Rask's or NM's...

Why does this feel like you're just upset about Lovebird for scumreading you? He mentions other scum reads too, with Love like 3rd in priority.

Your read progression on Bu was also pretty rubbish.

[CheekyTeeky]

No. I'm not townreading Buj, but there is little to gain in continuing down that track.

If you think this is an OMGUS reaction from me, that means you disagree with what I wrote on him? Do you disagree with the GL lovebird scumread as well?

I think there's potential there but I want to know why you'd prefer Love to Chris?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok let's do it.

VOTE: Love

[CheekyTeeky]

You still haven't explained why you scum read me.

[CheekyTeeky]

Damn that was pretty towny Rask. I don't know if that's outside of your scum range? The admitting to looking hedgy that is.

[CheekyTeeky]

Um why would you lynch a null read before a scumread?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: BuJaber

[CheekyTeeky]

Let's go Bu. Gogogo

[CheekyTeeky]

Rask, NM - put him to L-1 for claim.

[CheekyTeeky]

the reads themselves not the reachy spec logic but i remember checking that when he said he was annoyed people were dismissive everytime because he does it a lot

Wut?

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh right, I don't scum read him for that. I scum read him for his reads being very inconsistent. E.g...

Real quick:

Rask/cheeky - townread
Gl, chris, Zz - null
Icon - scumlean
NM, Love - scumread

But as far as the lynch order would go it'd be something like this
Love > GL > NM > Icon

Um why would you lynch a null read before a scumread?

[CheekyTeeky]

He hasn't responded so we should flip him.

[CheekyTeeky]

Not lynching NM.

What happened to your activity read on ZZZX?

[CheekyTeeky]

I'd prefer Bu over Love atm.

[CheekyTeeky]

afaik his wanting to lynch in that pool is his justification for that he was going on about it earlier

Then why does he need to lynch 2/3 in one pool? If he'd come back and explained himself I might be a little less suspicious.

[CheekyTeeky]

GL has made a case on him. What do you think about that?

[CheekyTeeky]

Vote Buj for president!

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: icon

can we make this work?

Summarise why pretty please.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Rask

Feels like you're shopping around for a lynch. Your posts this page have been awful.

First you second guess your town read on Bu, then you randomly vote/unvote ico and now you're asking the biggest wagonee for her reads when she's given a fair bit of info and clearly suspects Ico.

The reason I jumped off love was so scum couldn't hammer if we were wrong and you refusing to put her to L-1 with any conviction spews love town if you are scum.

Your ISO is still really bad. In summary you pushed a PL lynch, have OMGUS voted twice and tried to convince us that scum must be in the low posters but now you cannot make up your mind. Some confident reads would go a long way for you on players with actual content i.e. on players other than NM. I still dislike your reaction to my initial push on you.

If Rask flips scum I'm pretty convinced Bu makes sense as buddy.

[CheekyTeeky]

if a flip is scum, I don't care about being suspected based on association afterwards as its still worth it even if 1 for 1

however being suspected based on an association before-the-fact is not something I can say anything to, but also makes me question if any of your other judgments have value, if most other conclusions are made stemming from one faulty one

Wtf? Your questionning if my content has value now? That's the most blatant discrediting I've ever seen. All players, scum included, have value in their posts which, if you were town, you'd try to get to the bottom of instead of making an argument about my proposal of pre-flip associations possibly devalues all my content.

I scum read you both independently and you make sense together. Your defense and to-and-fro on Bujaber makes me think you're not WhiteKnighting and as I find you both suspicious I'd look into your interactions if we flipped you today and you flipped red.

I want to lynch you first, then Bu if that gives you some kind of metric of my confidence.

[CheekyTeeky]

Pretty sure Rask scum flip spews Love town. Not sure it works the other way around.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok then

VOTE: BuJaber

[CheekyTeeky]

Dude it's L-2 relax. Instead of going crazy defense, convince us why we should lynch elsewhere...

For someone who wanted to be lynched this is the opposite reaction I expected. Was it all a front to get love lynched?

Like honestly you went:

-Guys let's lynch in me and love
-(Two people vote you)
-GUYS WTF THIS IS MY BEST TOWN GAME EVER.
-(CheekyTeeky is like lol wtf

Can you see why we're confused by all the mixed signals you've been sending?

[CheekyTeeky]

Sorry for opening up the lynchpool from no info NM lynch. Not. You can blame the fucked game state on the lurkers/low contributors.

I don't understand how Chris is a null lean? Which scum read do you have the most confidence in lynching today and why?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok who wants to quicklynch Ico?

[CheekyTeeky]

]

Now NM is a no info lynch? You didn't want NM because you said you were sure this is his town meta.

Omg boo read again xx.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Iconeum

[CheekyTeeky]

Like you guys are harping on rask and I for being invonsistent. (Don't know about rask but I have been very consistent actually if you read my posts). But cheeky has some subtle inconsistencies that are just weird. Like I keep townreading cheeky but then she posts stuff like 558 and 568 and it makes me doubt her again and remind myself that MM pinged me.

Pedit - read what again. That was how you entered the game. You were like why are we voting NM.. NM is town. Is that not what happened?

Did you read WHY I thought NM was town on entering. I even used logic to illustrate - which is the post I didn't like Rask's reaction to.

Bu, I'm a reaction tester/intent reader. Nothing I do makes sense until I'm confident or compromise on a lynch. I actually find my intent this game to be very towny

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok who wants to quicklynch Ico?

Why quicklynch? Don't wanna discuss my lynch?

Well now that you asked, I just reread your ISO. I was scum reading your ISO until I saw what looked like you assessing people's votes onto the NM wagon. Then when I read again I realised the intent could actually come from either alignment. The shade you were casting on Love's NM was pretty shallow and opportunistic. Because the one thing that gave me doubt on my initial read of you is essentially void, I no longer town read you.

I do townread Love and Bu in contrast to scumreading you.

[CheekyTeeky]

Okay guys look at cheeky's ISO and search for 'ico'.

Been shading/scumreading the slot for so long but this is the first she actually votes for Ico.

Maybe ico/cheeky can be a scumteam after all. It's the sort of fake pushing that you do when you know your partner won't get lynched but in case they are you can bus without looking suspicious.

And fine cheeky I didn't remember all the details of your NM read. I'll drop that point.

This argument doesn't hold any weight. As scum I would've hammered NM or now hammered Love. Just think about it.

[CheekyTeeky]

Bu is this really your best town game?

I see most people have grown apathetic to the lynch today so get your lynch vote elsewhere. Love is town. Feel free to join my wagon if you wish.

[CheekyTeeky]

Fine let's end it. You all better have this game sorted tomorrow. Like people actually need to read around the NM wagon and Love wagon.

VOTE: love HAMMERTIME MWAHAHA

[CheekyTeeky]

Biggest scum reads are Ico and Rask for anyone that's good at taking a closer look.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ico your pushes are sad attempts at shading people. My actions make zero sense as scum and you know it don't you?

[CheekyTeeky]

I hammered because I'm tired of arguing and there's enough info around love nearing day end for town to hopefully sort it tomorrow. Expect big things from Bu.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes exactly, what scum does that EOD? I would be goat scum if I played like this. Open wolfing us not my strength unfortunately.

[CheekyTeeky]

Why were you pushing Buj as a lynch, if you townread him?
Why did you hammer love if you townread the slot?

Guess what, 'I'm tired so let's just lynch my townread' isn't town motivated.

Yawn. Another bad attempt to cast shade.

I pushed bu with a scum read and then flipped it onto you when I felt he was townier than you. Guess what Ico, you're implicated egging on both wagons without your own input into those reads, just an imitation of everyone else's reads. Good luck with that.

[CheekyTeeky]

You began voting me when Buj had this gigantic town reaction to your reaction test, and I saw it, and unvoted him.
That's your scumread on me lol

No he acted town > I ISOd you > I SR'd you. Evidence in thread.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok who wants to quicklynch Ico?

VOTE: Iconeum

Ok who wants to quicklynch Ico?

Why quicklynch? Don't wanna discuss my lynch?

Well now that you asked, I just reread your ISO. I was scum reading your ISO until I saw what looked like you assessing people's votes onto the NM wagon. Then when I read again I realised the intent could actually come from either alignment. The shade you were casting on Love's NM was pretty shallow and opportunistic. Because the one thing that gave me doubt on my initial read of you is essentially void, I no longer town read you.

I do townread Love and Bu in contrast to scumreading you.

Voila! C'est magique!

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm happy that we have more content than what we did if the NM lynch went through.

I'm just going to reiterate that people need to check Ico's behaviour around the two wagons - NM and Love tomorrow.

[CheekyTeeky]

More info should be available tomorrow XD

[CheekyTeeky]

Probably best to save it to reduce info for NK.

[CheekyTeeky]

Loool my lolhammer kind of proved Ico scum I thought? You guys are dumb.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Iconeum

[CheekyTeeky]

LAMISS

This term should be added to the wiki.

GL what are your updated thoughts on Love?

[CheekyTeeky]

I don't like the fact that GL was the one to explain an alleged gambit not cheeky herself.

Explain how that AI for both of us please.

[CheekyTeeky]

or if the day isnt done by "literally" tomorrow I will post it.

It's tomorrow soon. I look forward to this.

[CheekyTeeky]

I think I'm going to have to meta dive BuJaber. I'll bbl with my thoughts.

[CheekyTeeky]

Guys vote ZZZX. They popped in when they thought the Love hammer was real and they've yet to provide the promised catch up or vote, or give reads on anyone but Rask. If we're going to lynch a lurker, this one probs hit scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: ZZZX

[CheekyTeeky]

Lmao. Case please? I'm excited to hear it.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: BuJaber

[CheekyTeeky]

You knew NM was scum.
You pushed for rask lynch.
You derailed lovebird's lynch.

And now you vote me lol.

No.
Yes.
No.

Let me try.

You knew NM was town.
You killed Rask to frame me.
You are all over the place with your reads.

I mean how dumb would I be to kill a townie I was pushing all day as scum. First it takes away my push for today and second it obviously leads back to me. The fact that you are using that as a reason to lynch me, ignoring all my other content, signals to me that you are pushing an agenda here.

Pretty happy with my vote. BuJaber's entrance was overeager, awkward and bad. I would've kept pushing Ico but this feels better today.

[CheekyTeeky]

CheekyTeeky: You said D1 you were going to meta dive BuJaber. Did you get around to doing that and, if so, did it turn up anything interesting?

Um no not yet lol. Thanks for reminding me, stay tuned.

[CheekyTeeky]

What exactly did I not answer to your satisfaction Lord BuJaber?

[CheekyTeeky]

And you didn't answer the question.. what happened to your sr of ico zz and chris?

Chris I'm waiting on and the other two are fine still being scumreads. Tbh your reasoning is poor your other post - your reason for not wanting Rask, GL or me dead is reasoning from a scum perspective and is false in that GL and I were both willing to lynch you yesterday yet you claim we TR you. I did at one point until your descepancies in your reads got too big.

I said very casually "NM town meta - he is a troll, he seems trolly here" BUT the MAIN REASON I am TRing him is because of the game environment I replaced into where he was the leading wagon. Please reread my posts when I enter up to taking on Rask 1v1. I'm pretty sure this is like the 3rd time you've pushed me for your own misunderstanding on this point IIRC. And you know what I'm happy I could read the VCA and deduce so clearly NM had been set-up from the start. I was wrong that Rask was responsible although he played terribly tbh but those on his wagon are certainly to be looked at including you. I'm on your ass because of your entrance otherwise I'd be pushing everyone else and you've done little to confirm to me I'm mistaken with my scum read on you.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm down to quicklynch ZZZX btw for that scummy hammer if anybody else is.

[CheekyTeeky]

Can we lynch Korina first out of love/Korina? Although I don't agree with a lot of BuJaber's logic, his intent feels a lot townier so I'm not lynching him today.

I'm happy lynching in Ico/ZZZX/Korina.

Will need to relook at love wagon and counters.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Iconeum until we agree on a better lynch

[CheekyTeeky]

Maybe we lynch you then when you flip scum we lynch Korina

[CheekyTeeky]

Can you explain why Korina is never getting lynched today in your opinion Ico?

[CheekyTeeky]

Sorry guys I'm here. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I think all 3 of GL, Bu and Ico are town. Atm Bu has actually become my top town read followed by GL and then maybe Ico.

I think we get rid of either Korina or ZZZX today as they're going to be a nightmare to sort later and I'm fairly confident at least one of them is scum.

Can we all agree to lynch one of those two? I'm really busy atm so if I've missed answering anything just hit me up and I'll keep a closer eye on this game.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'd lynch zzzx or even chris atm over love I think
0 to 5 votes doesnt seem so viable atm though

would you flashwagon zzzx?

assocspec

Bujaber != christopher
Lovebird != Greenliquid
Bujaber != iconeum
Bujaber != cheeky (??? 354?)
Iconeum != Love ???
Love != Cheeky ???

with bu w/ love seem pretty unlikely unless votepark into VLA is d1 hardbus, and i didnt examine bu w/ GL (1v1s harder to tell if because its traditional distancing) but i dont think GL is scum as individual

I think if bus scum hes scum its almost exclusively N_M or ZZZX given assoc which admittedly are the worst ones to have open and given independently think mostly likely 1 scum in there so. welp ultimately kinda useless

this is why I wanted to lynch in N_M though because thinkscum but even if wrong clearing assocations can get into gamesolve

zzzzx town

Hey wait what?

Ok so going through Rask's ISO he kept flip flopping on Love/ZZZX/Ico and me.

He thought love was 60%ish town but he pushed for wagon on love a few times and it gained momentum. If I'm objective - even though I TR love I'll admit they've not done much but maybe pocket me today and I called love town yesterday so it makes sense that Rask was N1 kill over me if Love is scum.

ZZZX did nothing and still has done nothing. When Rask initially pushed him he voted Rask and parked there all day until he hammered NM and the perpetual active lurking is a dead give away that this guy is not invested in the game like a town player would be. He also had reason to want Rask dead.

Ico makes sense as a partner to ZZZX because he keeps town reading him when there's virtually nothing to defend him for.

@Ico can you please explain your town read of ZZZX and why you keep defending him? I think you're less suspicious than Love because I was hard pushing you yesterday and it feels like scum expect me to keep trying to lynch you.

Rask did also mention Chris/Korina but not as much as ZZZX and love so I'm going to follow the dead and say I'm into lynching ZZZX today over Korina.

VOTE: ZZZX

I say we wagon him until he catches up. No more excuses, give us content or replace out.

[CheekyTeeky]

Bu is town. I still worry about Ico but he feels townier. I'm pretty sure ZZZX flips scum. If he does I want to lynch Ico next for hard defending him with no substance to the read.

GL what would Ico's flip tell you?

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky town reads me, then misreps me defending zzzx, and then wants to lynch me (his townread) if zzzzx flips scum.

Also, I'm not letting you derail another Love lynch here.

Why are you not answering my questions directly instead of whatever this is?

DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT TOWN READ ZZZX? WHY?

[CheekyTeeky]

Bu is town. I still worry about Ico but he feels townier. I'm pretty sure ZZZX flips scum. If he does I want to lynch Ico next for hard defending him with no substance to the read.

GL what would Ico's flip tell you?

I dare you to prove where I am defending, let alone hard defending, zzzzx.

ZZZZX townread - I hope you comes back

Ico, Cheeky, GL, zzzzx town

All I have is you Town reading him D1 and I want an explanation on your read. First why were you town reading him and second why are you scum reading him now?

Can you point to specific interactions between love and ZZZX that links these two scumreads together for you?

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: Iconeum

[CheekyTeeky]

I had a previous townread, that completely changed when he hammered D1.

I'm gonna post every single goddamn post I made, then Cheeky is gonna say how I'm harddefending zzzzx here. Deal?

Iconeum SCUMREAD on zzzzx

Spoiler:

You know what would be great right now?

ima save my entire catchup post (should be decent) till next day cus I wana re read a few people. lets see how things go

or if the day isnt done by "literally" tomorrow I will post it.

So the day didn't actually end until 2 days later, there was time for you to post. But whatever.

Finally getting my stuff sorted and I see NM being scum huh


VOTE: NM

Yes this is an omgus hummer. But u r scum..

Anyhow next game day big post I suppose. I promised it today but I'm barely half done writing it.

Such a stronk vote/hammer right here.

Where's your case? You were almost caught op on the 31st of March. On the 3rd of April you said you could post it 1 day later.
Yet on April 5th you're 'barely halfway done writing it'? Just lol.

I'm just gonna call it right here: Lovebird/zzzx scumteam. Please remember this post for if/when I die at night.

Sure, activity =!= allignment.
But he had the time to post that he's catching up, he had the time to post he was ready to post his 'big catchup post' in 1 rl day, then he had time to see NM as scum and hammer him, then he said he was actually just barely halfway through catching up but still hammering.

That's not being inactive. That's scumplay.

Korina -

I explained multiple times in day 1 why I thought NM was scummy. I know you just replaced in but bringing up already asked and answered stuff is unhelpful and annoying.

Me telling rask to sheep me as scum was my ego. I believed that if NM flipped I will be able to solve the game. Also I couldn't say this while he was alive but through his posts and responses to my questions I eliminated the possibility of him being a PR. So when I said 70% chance he flips scum the 30% was he flips VT which was worth the risk.

For the record yes I don't think you are bussing. I think only one of you/love is scum. I just like to think about hypothetical lylo situations. It helps me.

I'm updating my reads and lynch bracket.

Love/ZZZZX/Cheeky. Promoting Buj to an actual townlean. If Love flips scum, I consider Buj as conftown.

Buj, D1 Love was our middle ground. It seems like we can push this together. Are you comfortable with that?

---

ZZZZX, you NEED to reply to my 708. You also need to explain your hammer on NM D1.

Why not zzzzx?

That hammer was scum as hell. Also didn't provide that big catchup post he promised. That whole sequence of his at D1 end is wrong.

@mod, mass prods please. We need all the afk's in here to post and reply to the stuff we've been talking about.

Most loooking forward to:

Lovebird to respond to everything
ZZZZX posting his 'big catchup post' that was ready to post in a day, but then was only halfway finished.

There is no world in which we lynch Korina over Love today.
There's a chance zzzzx is getting lynched over Love.

Alive:
1. BuJaber
2. Christopher Korina
3. ZZZX
4. GreenLiquid
5. Major Minor CheekyTeeky
6. Lovebird
7. Iconeum

Town

GL

Townlean

Bujaber
Cheeky

Scum in varying degrees

Love
zzzzzx
korina

If i look at this list, I think I'm more comfortable lynching zzzzx depending on his catchup post.


fp'd a bunch by Love

So yeah, my scumteam at this moment would be Love/zzzx

I'm focusing on zzzx more? Have you been reading at all?
All i've done is trying to get a wagon going on Lovebird. I've been the biggest advancer of Love lynch ALL FUCKING GAME. I was opposed to an 'HEY LETS LYNCH A NO INFO NM ' all game.

Saying I don't want a love lynch is really a giant misrep.
i'm looking for other suspects. zzzzx is higly suspicious.

I Do consider all options here.

Why? There's 2 scum. zzzx is a realistic possibility of being the second scum.
I've already extensively posted why.

If we can't get a Love lynch, I would probably settle on zzzx (and only him).
This day has been going on for a while, and we haven't even managed to get Love to L-1.

Why would I not look at other targets?

Look at the interaction between Love and zzzx

How can you even say it's fine that i'm thinking of zzzx lynch, when THAT IS THE REASON YOU ARE VOTING ME

I mean, this proves that you haven't read a single one of my posts on D2, right?
Now, where's my hard defense of zzzx today?

I've read your posts. I was referring to ISOing Rask at the point I accused you of defending ZZZX - so it's implicit that the posts are from D1. I understand why you want him lynched today but the progression feels unnatural to me so I feel safer lynching you over ZZZX today.

You still haven't explained why you town read him originally.

The person I have issue with you defending today is Chris/Korina - whom Rask also scum read. So that pings me to another unusual progression from you.

I still don't think Love is scum her reaction to my pocketing comment feels fine. I was referring to her defending me SOD.

@Love what's your read on Ico?
@GL will you vote here with me today?

[CheekyTeeky]

No cheeky zzz lynch is terrible today as I explained to Ico.

@GL - okay maybe past 2 pages or so me and Ico interaction could indicate SvS. But look at the early game interactions. We have fought too much and too often for us to be a scum team together.

Lynch love. Love is scum. Cheeky probably scum.

BuJaber can you please summarise key points why love is scum?

[CheekyTeeky]

Jfc I'm not scum. Your reasons on GL are shit and you don't bother listening to anyone else's ideas. The associations are so effing dodgy.

If you agree on Ico then please give a read on him?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok instead of focusing on a lynch that isn't going to happen today what are your thoughts on Ico? I already know you're wrong on me and it's actually ridiculous that you still scum read me. I'm not trying to insult you I'm trying to get through to you so we're not at each others throats if we're still here tomorrow. You say lurker slots made this game hard yet everyone seems to be scumreading the high contributers. We're not in a good position to win unless we can start consolidating our reads. We need to agree on at least some town reads and have a good think. I'm willing to hear your cases on anyone except GL. I apologise in advance if I'm wrong but I think it's yoo big a risk to lynch in Bu/GL and lynch the other tomorrow if you're both effing town.

Why is ZZZX getting away with his behaviour? He's playing like scum that can't be bothered watching us tear the town apart and what on earth are we going to do tomorrow with that slot?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok I'll compromise and vote love or Ico today. I don't know what love associations mean but I am scared for us if she flips town. I do not believe love and Ico are SvS. I think GL wanted love too so I guess now we wait to be blown away by ZZZX and vote closer to day end.

[CheekyTeeky]

Do you guys think Korina would be as bad a vote as ZZZX? I feel like Chris did enough D1 to find associations there.

[CheekyTeeky]

Can he be replaced please?

[CheekyTeeky]

Hey still waiting for replacement

[CheekyTeeky]

Yayyyy welcome!!

Can you please give some thoughts on each scum read?

[CheekyTeeky]

BlackVoid you do realise you're allowed to vote your strongest scum read right?

[CheekyTeeky]

Now we're waiting on Korina right?

[CheekyTeeky]

How do you go from:

I'm not getting lynched today
to
I'm leaving my thoughts here for later in case I get lynched?

[CheekyTeeky]

Also it's pretty strange that your Korina town read has magically vanished when she hasn't done anything since then.

[CheekyTeeky]

It's L-2.

[CheekyTeeky]

BlackVoid can you please give scum team predictions based on Ico flipping either alignment? GL and Bu same question.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol. Doesn't change much. If I was scum I'd claim cop or doc to draw out the actual PR so I'm not claiming anything specifically.
The other PR knows what to do tonight.

I think everyone knows what you are based on this.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ico once Korina replacement comes and we decide we're ready to lynch I think you owe town an explanation so we can look at counter claims and N1 actions to be better prepared for LYLO. It's kind of anti-town to save that info in an open setup. You're dying either way tonight if town, so at least give us enough info to PoE our reads and try to lynch scum today instead (when we're ready to lynch i.e. L-1 not while we're waiting.) This will result in one of our PRs dying tonight but if we get a scum lynch it's worth it imo.

[CheekyTeeky]

....I just said don't claim yet lol. I also knew you were claiming doc.

[CheekyTeeky]

I am not the doc.

[CheekyTeeky]

UNVOTE: I'm assuming Bu is not CCing then.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh missed that. If Ico is cleared then Im happy lynching Love.

[CheekyTeeky]

Its easy to reason Ico is the doc when you know he is the doc lol. Scum wouldn't dare counter claim that role as it's not worth it. The pace of the game is due to replacements. I'm sure if one comes and there isn't a CC we've got ideas in mind already for who we're going to lynch.

There's no need to peg a team today, we just need to lynch scum and look back the next day.

Feel free to continue gamesolving however. I really need the claim confirmed and replacement to catch up before I'm trashing all my reads.

[CheekyTeeky]

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm not scum Bu. I'm reassessing my read on GL/BV currently.

[CheekyTeeky]

Drop in activity is a pretty lol reason. Sorry to your ego rip.

[CheekyTeeky]

I really didn't like how quickly BV accepted the doc claim.

[CheekyTeeky]

I skimmed from the start of day 2 and got to the end of page 35 and I don't really understand the Love wagon. She looks more town than anybody else right now.

Hi thanks for replacing. Could you please go over your town read of love so others can see it?

[CheekyTeeky]

My acceptance of his claim was gradual over a span of a few days.

He claimed on the 20th, you accepted on the 21st - my point isn't so much about literal time as much as there were still slots to CC. I also didn't like you intercepting his claim after he softed "of course scum would claim to draw out a counter"

To me the whole scenario went like this:

- Ico @ L-2 says "I'm never getting lynched today"
- BV says "of course scum would claim to get a CC and draw out PR"
- Ico claims PR not specifying which
- BV continues pressure
- Ico claims doc.
- BV asked who he protected (not sure why this matters to town, seems like scum trying to get more info)
- 3 people say not CC
- BV accepts doc claim saying blah blah logic and he felt genuine after rereading.

I'm struggling to buy the whole interaction and 180 as coming from town.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also for future games Ico please never claim in a game of this pace until intent has been given.

[CheekyTeeky]

Those interactions aren't even taking into account how scummy ZZZX was with the quick hammer after lurking for days...trying to lurk all of Day 2 and also what looks like retrospectively, ZZZX whiteknighting NM by voting Rask.

Of course BV had to work his ass off to look town to reconcile the slot but the way his reads ended up lining up with with most people's reads and the way he handled Ico read scum to me in a game where apparently everyone is effing town lol.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also not liking GL putting Love to L-1 before we heard the replacement out. GL had a fair bit of resistance to the Ico wagon which I need to look into too.

[CheekyTeeky]

Looking at why Rask may have died is also important IMO. Will look at that and do some VCA.

[CheekyTeeky]

Also those people who are here while Love is at L-1 but not voting are lock clear imo.

[CheekyTeeky]

Oh missed that. If Ico is cleared then Im happy lynching Love.

Can you elaborate on this? I thought you were townreading Lovebird.

I was but I was sure of Ico scum and now things have changed with two replacements. Love could still be scum but I need to do some work as apparently I've been wrong all day. What bothers me is why I'm alive more than anything, give me some time.

[CheekyTeeky]

Good to know I'm lock-clear. But can you actually answer my questions?

Oh except you

[CheekyTeeky]

@GL:

NM: NM's meta is pretty well known throughout the site. However he usually has one or two good posts from time to time that give you a little insight. This game he has nothing. And that copy paste math lesson is very tongue-in-cheek and completely out of character and unnecessary.

Icon: I guess I expect more from Icon as a leader in this group if he is town. I might be wrong about that. But then he seems to be spending a lot of energy, time and effort on my case but everyone else he either gives a weak read on or a small line about and nothing else. It doesn't seem like town tunneling where he just thinks he's right. It seems like an intentional attack and avoiding to talk about anyone else.

Major: not posting much but also he doesn't seem to scumread icon that strongly so it seemed like a weird choice to make for vote. He also took his RVS vote too seriously.

All 3 people are town here. Interesting reading this knowing that. Just sticky noting while I do my ISOs.

[CheekyTeeky]

I have never played with Z. I don't want to lynch there and by PoE I don't think he's scum but I could see it.
But I don't think chris is scum here. I think he'd be more obvious as scum imo.

This is so bs since noone was able to PoE all Day1 due to lurky slots/general scumminess.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ftr the way that major talks about Rask sounds a lot like scum defending scum. It is the sort of thing people comment on when they know the other is phony. I have each in separate pools so if either of them flips scum the other is more likely to be scum. Though if either flips town it doesn't really change the read on the other one way or another.

Waffling that reaches no conclusion and serves no purpose from a town PoV. A general pattern I'm starting to detect is leaving lynch options open.

[CheekyTeeky]

And as for NM. From my pov the first pool is riskier to lynch from since my theory is based on gamestate theory rather than on the players themselves so I prefer to try to sort them a little later.

Kmd you want to talk?

Tfw mod posts more than players.

All of 177 is bad tbh. Tell me how you PoE'd when the mod posts more than players? Sounds like scum magic to me.

What caught my attention with Buj was how he lead the Love wagon and yet he ended up on the NM wagon. I remember coming into today feeling like he set me up. I'll try to find posts related to the wagon switch.

[CheekyTeeky]

For the first time since I joined MS I feel like I have a solid read on NM. Sheep me. He's scum.

@Icon- you've talked a lot to me and about me; do you have any other reads?

Anyway good let's lynch NM or MM

VOTE: GL

Lovebird's opening is significantly more townie than now but really I'm getting a feeling he is following his gameplan in the arsonist game micro we recently finished. He was arso I was firefighter.

Also most of the reasons I townread him earlier were gut based and WIFOMy I realized.

And I am still so confident in my theory of 1 scum between Rask/GL/love. So I'm flip flopping between you.

Okay let's go. Something is a little off with that hammer.

VOTE: NM

JFC. Game solved. Bujaber & BlackVoid. Gg.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: BuJaber

No Ico we aren't. We're lynching BuJaber first.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cheeky, that's fine and all. But we are still lynching Love first.
IIRC you were the one to derail Lovebird lynch earlier. That's not happening again now.

I also derailed NM too so it might pay to listen to me the second time.

[CheekyTeeky]

Bu hard defended ZZZX all D1 with no reason to TR him. But I'm more sure of Bu because he has content and I admit I generally suck at associations so we should start with who I'm sure of.

[CheekyTeeky]

Interesting how the activity picks up from both Bu/Ico when I push Bu. This is the second time this has happened.

Ico why are you townreading Bu?

[CheekyTeeky]

Wtf why are you effing claiming. You guys are actually stupid.

[CheekyTeeky]

Stfu Bu. You're caught scum. Nowhere to hide now except behind Ico.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok cool I'm so confident that today everyone vote me or Bu. This is not TvT.

When I flip lynch Bu.

[CheekyTeeky]

Get the fuck off love or you're in big ass trouble tomorrow

[CheekyTeeky]

Me or BuJaber

[CheekyTeeky]

Me or BuJaber

[CheekyTeeky]

This is what happens if we lynch love.

Flips town > Cop dies > Ico conf town.
Flips scum > Cop dies > Ico conf town.

Just the fact that Bu keeps going on about me killing him is 100% a scum claim.

[CheekyTeeky]

So vote me it's a show down. We aren't both town and you've proven that these past couple of pages

[CheekyTeeky]

Get off Love, you can vote her tomorrow. We need to get rid of the vocal confusing scum which is Bu. If the cop hadn't claimed y'all could've def won. If we go this way you guys are setting yourself up for another 10 pages of manipulative scum that is going to win in Lylo.

[CheekyTeeky]

Me or BuJaber

[CheekyTeeky]

This is what happens if we lynch love.

Flips town > Cop dies > Ico conf town.
Flips scum > Cop dies > Ico conf town.

Just the fact that Bu keeps going on about me killing him is 100% a scum claim.

I know I'm slow, but please explain why that is a scumclaim?

Because Bu is not the cop so he's 100% AtEing and was planning on cop claiming.

[CheekyTeeky]

I revoted love. I was arguing with void but I never voted for void. It's still L-1.

I seriously think it's Ank/cheeky.

why are you voting love if it's ank/Cheeky?

Thank you for finally seeing the light.

[CheekyTeeky]

Can you please just unvote until we've all discussed?

[CheekyTeeky]

Why would cheeky do this me or him if love is scum?

If love is scum we lynch me tomorrow he becomes lockscum.

His play only makes sense if love is town.

Nope. Love lynch first. You are confscum if he flips town.

I revoted love. I was arguing with void but I never voted for void. It's still L-1.

I seriously think it's Ank/cheeky.

why are you voting love if it's ank/Cheeky?

And if love flips scum I'm cleared.


Pedit - I'm getting paranoid that it is but love flipping town is whay gurantees cheeky/ank that is why love has to be lynched first.

I like how he thinks a Love scum flip will clear him and a town flip guilties me lol so really he's clear both ways. It's getting pretty clear that he's setting something up.

He's even said in one post that it's Me, Him and GL at LyLo...who even thinks from this perspective as Town?


There's 7 atm. Me/Korina/BlackVoid/Ico/Love/BuJaber/GL
for the scenario of me/GL/BuJaber to come to...

Love flips > BV is NK > Korina/Ico/GL/BuJaber/Me

How do we get to that point? After all the spew coming from BuJaber it makes it likely Love is town and Korina is scum. To make it past 5 people he's likely going to bus Korina and NK ico to get to that point.

Only person that would make sense as my partner among those is Ank. So you lynch ank tomorrow first if love is town. At least that way you don't auto lose.

Then I guess GL has to decide between me and cheeky

[CheekyTeeky]

He is scum claiming so bad it physically hurts that you guys are hesitating to lynch him today.

[CheekyTeeky]

Can you just stop being dumb and realise it's a 1v1 with me and Bu today. I'm fine with it if you don't believe me but you can't vote Love because that mean Bu wins at LyLo tomorrow. He has hard pocketed you Ico, and if I'm right that the team is Bu/Ank then they will have enough votes with yours to win. So please do me a favour and vote for me so that he doesn't have me as the mislynch to win tomorrow.

[CheekyTeeky]

If you all still think Love is scum tomorrow after my flip that's fine. I just don't want to be part of the loss so clear me today while we still have a mislynch to burn.

Pedit - yeah so lynch me. It's actually hilarious that I'm the one not making sense when I have literally just served you the game on a platter made from Bu's spew.