Mini Normal 2183 | Innocent Things | Game Over!

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VOTE: Not Mafia

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it's a cow

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so Not Mafia is doing way more than he usually does, just think that should be noted.

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HANK SPANKEMS the hankenator.

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Ah, so this is a Dunn scum game. Been a bit since I’ve seen it. I don’t count TvA.

VOTE: Dunnstral

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When Dunnstral starts to lead town, he’s scum.

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My sense of meta on Dunnstral may be incorrect, I guess.

Nonetheless, I still think this is scumDunn.

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Really just too lazy to move it, let’s be honest.

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It’s not hurting anyone being where it’s at

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You seem a little like annoyed scum who is getting pushed for reasons they don’t think are alignment indicative.

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What question

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It’s page 5, whys it gotta be good

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I think the vote did what I was trying to have it do anyways, more direct line. I was feeling pinged by your posts, can’t really explain it in full this early. It’s not a full reason just yet.

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But it feels like you are blustering

Yeah, that’s most of what I say.

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Why are you acting like that’s different?

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Been a while since you’ve been given the Third Degree Boon

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Of course it’s performative.

What’s so wrong about that?

I’m putting on a show, sit back, watch me solve...on Day 4

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@ FL- how can you tell. Doing a little more of nothing still gets you nothing. Anways Not Mafia is giving all indication of his town game. He did this last game as town and in the other game I saw where he is town.

I just create talking points, see what happens from them, analyze from there. I don’t think NM is scummy per se, but he’s posting more than he usually does this early from my experience. Yeah, he always trolls, but i actually think he did more this time.

I don’t know where I stand with it, though, because it’s day 1 not mafia.

Regardless, i wanted my thoughts on the matter there for ISO reasons for later in the game.

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flavour, can you back up that meta read of yours with links?
FL seems a bit overconfident which I'd expect from scum!him more because flavour treats playing scum as performing/theatre (quite like myself)

Meh. Later.

I’m overconfident always, always performing. My posts also come off more confident than I am, that’s just a tone thing that doesn’t come across how I always want it to via forum.

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I’m past sc7m reading him for it, and i might have been wrong. He said i was, and i didn’t feel like arguing it because i didn’t have a strong case with it, more just something i was feeling at the time. I’ll look into it more later in the game if it pings me.

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Shelly’s posts in that area are a bit fluffy.

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I am noting people pushing nopoint right after I joined Dunnstral.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

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That is a correct analysis.

I am completely phoning this game in right now.

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I'm just trying to start a fight

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Like let's get something going.

We need to get a wagon on me? Get some votes on me. I've won like 4 games in a row now, all decently recently.

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Were those game scumgames? I understand your ego in that regard

I just won a town game with you, dude.

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It was 2 and 2, actually.

I've had a good year, only a few losses.

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why would I care about getting voted like that, i got the gift of gab, a vote on page 8 ain't nothing.

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I think you have a misguided idea of my personality.

What's up, I'm Flavor Leaf. Most of my posts actually mean to come off as low energy, but kind of in a specific way.

It tends to happen in face to face often, but I get faded a lot in face to face because I'm just always scummy.

Like it's just hard to believe that I'm town because of how scummy I always can be.

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I do actually like the town weaknesses I have, because everyone has em, use your weaknesses to your advantage.

I'm easily pocketed by players who defend me. Like I will jump in their pocket defend them weakness. I'm also hesitant to vote leading wagons that I'm not seeing, so I will also lead the secondary wagon as town, but usually I compromise, especially early game.

I play a good Devil's Advocate slot which is good with another town player pushing stuff, and then the incoming sword fight creates a narrative line that the entire game can physically feel, ya feel?

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Were those game scumgames? I understand your ego in that regard

I just won a town game with you, dude.

I know that and I just explained why I'm hesitant about your anti-townness

I feel like it's something you maintain because you want to have excuses for when you finally roll scum

Is that wrong?

I'm always pro town. Even when I'm scum. Like, I want someone to catch me when I'm scum and putting up a good fight. If I were scum with a team not getting along, then eh, I'm a fan of teamwork, and I have an extremely different philosophy based on what town should and shouldn't do.

It leads to the fact that when I'm scum, it's just so easy to abuse it, however, I understand that yes, to an unorganized scum team, doing things a certain way will help find it, but I like discussion. I like working with scum reads while I call them scum. I generally don't get too heated unless someone's being aggressive in a hard tunnel way, which again, usually understand. I keep everything game related, or at least open up to the idea of how I'm thinking about Mafia.

that's why I say stuff like this, I'm helping people see that type of person I am, so they can use this to help get a better read on me.

Take it for what you will, maybe it won't help. I like talking.

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I want you to disassociate from yourself even if it's just to humor me and give your takes on Shelly's behavior towards you

If you're recalling Xeno, you had a strong take on Noraa that I initially didn't see cause I felt you were picking on someone lesser than you

Nothing popped up for me that pinged me either way. I wanted the fluffiness of Shelly noted, though, because things could happen later in the game that could maybe later look AI.

I've played with Shelly, but I don't remember where nor would I be able to say what type of player they are.

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why would you unvote, nothing's even really happened yet.

It's about to.

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Scum either have to make the decision to try and push me, hoping they can have a use for it, if only to discredit me, or scum can avoid adding fuel to this fire, and stay off, and let town do what they may.

So I'm trying to see what happens.

My bet is scum won't have a plan for it, and if picks up, they'll help a bit, but if it doesn't, they'll move somewhere else.

I'm seeing what type of scum team this game has.

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FL would you say you're a person that enjoys being at the centre of attention?

I am the center of attention, can't do anything about that, sometimes good, sometimes bad, that's something I get from my mom's side of the family, and I have grown to like myself, so let's say yes.

I consider myself an artist in real life, (Writer/Actor/Director), so I would say that goes with the territory of liking the center of attention.

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But seriously FL don't fucking self-vote

I don't care what's going up in your brain, but I think that's just gonna make scum not want to vote you? They're gonna look at that like 'well wtf is FL doing' and proceed to ignore you if your intent is to get others to come at you

Ohhhhh....

this is what you're on.

You're thinking anti-town because of the self vote.

Yeah, this self vote means absolutely nothing. It's essentially the same thing as Not Voting, it's a nice juicy worm, ready to be hit by the ScumJays.

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There's nothing wrong with a self vote; there is wrong with giving up, and going to lose.

But I am ultra competitive, and in the moment of the game, winning is all that matter (I'm good with losing, I just want a good fought game, it's the attitude behind "everyone try to win, then have fun with that mindset"

i will always try to win no matter what.

If I replace out of a game, it's because I'm about to get toxic, which is something I generally avoid. I'm condescending in a game related manner, yes, but I'm trying to get challenged, ya feel. I like that feel of competition.

When I Self Vote, it is Pro Town, because it's not "just" a self vote.

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Nobody is going for the worm man I'm pretty sure?

Assuming that is the actual worm. The worm is an explosion, a moment in time, and that moment can switch. It creates a ripple effect of worms, where as the initial ripple had started going, it's now changed a bit, but it's still going. If that makes sense.

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When I Self Vote, it is Pro Town, because it's not "just" a self vote.

I will never ever think this in my entire life

Self-voting will always be anti-town and right now all I have to say is good luck

Here's the thing, if I'm ever in any danger, I would claim my PR.

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I don't know.

Am I?

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You know what's actually scummier than my self vote.

UNVOTE: Flavor Leaf

A Self Unvote.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Lol VOTE: flavor leaf

I'm just gonna pretend I didn't see that for your own sake

Why would YOUR seeing it be something bad for his own sake?

This is town.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Lol VOTE: flavor leaf

I'm just gonna pretend I didn't see that for your own sake

Why would YOUR seeing it be something bad for his own sake?

This is town.

Good to see those Flavour Leaf patented mind games coming into play.

You know it! Glad to see someone gets me.

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I tried

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I’m on a better town year than I am scum year right now.

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When you get far past enough knowing not to self vote, you reach an area where it starts to be okay again.

Noting that I only have 2 completed games with Andres, and both of them I was scum, one off site, so that’s an interesting thing to comment on my town game that I’m slightly FoSing.

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It’s like not a full finger, but more like a pinky of suspicion level

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Giving players like Flavor no accountability allows to run amuck and do whatever the fuck he wants. I don't care if he's Don Corgi and I didn't care in the last game I played with him, his actions have to prove to me otherwise he's going to beneficial to town wincon

I had 4/5 scum caught on Day 1 in my POE of that last game, so I’m doing something right.

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Yes Flavor came back in and said 'welp I tried' even when I told him that no one would fall for

Whatever he was doing

You fell for it.

You were just looking at the posts from a surface level and thought that that was the thing someone would fall for.

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I currently don’t know what I think about Unwnd. I was barely reading their posts in our exchange.

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Yes Flavor came back in and said 'welp I tried' even when I told him that no one would fall for

Whatever he was doing

You fell for it.

You were just looking at the posts from a surface level and thought that that was the thing someone would fall for.

I'm short of hearing please elaborate

I gave a nice discussion point that caused people to discuss around the things that happened, but wasn’t about me

I made it not about me by making it about me.

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The things I do with my time when I should be writing.

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Probably won’t remind you

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Noting of Nopoint making an easy vote in the middle of their wall.

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I already was planning to just vig Unwnd tonight.

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Maybe fading is better.

I don’t scum read them, but I don’t really care to argue the pro town anti town conversation pretending like it’s the first time I’ve been through that conversation.

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It’s pronounced touché

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FL i thought you wanted to wagon yourself and catch scum, where did the idea go?

That’s what I had people believe, yes.

And I found scum. They did vote me.

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VOTE: Nopoint

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The unvote was the bait

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And I was specifically waiting for the second person. I didn’t really feel like starting something yet, but i got bored.

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Wrong quote on my phone, was saying I meant unwnd was touchy

It’s pronounced touché

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You make the incorrect assumption with that word “trying”.

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Hank, what are you thinking so far?

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Fuzzy, your major problem is expecting to read me when you know I have a strong scum game this early.

Have a read on me, it doesn't need to be black and white scum or town, just kind of note what's being done, then eventually, something might click for you. If that makes sense.

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Also, Gera saying we wasted time when absolutely nobody was here is scummy.

I wish we had an active enough game where that was wasting time.

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I do have audacity. Thanks

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I do need to be taken out. I've gotten too cocky.

Do what you must

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my brain is fried from those 3 scum games I won, and then Xenoblade Mafia 2 and Illicit Substances was a lot as well.

I'm also modding a large theme, so like...I'm just burnt right now. You're kind of annoying, but you did that last game too, and were town.

shelly might be trying a pocket play.

Idk

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were a lot

I'm also finishing up writing a novel

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nighty night

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@Flavor if you don’t intend to really play this game, then you shouldn’t be surprised that people want to see you out of it. However, I would prefer if you took some days off or something, and came back with some energy to try and solve this game. You are potentially giving cover for Scum to vote you and not face any consequences. And if you’re Scum, then sure keep acting this way and you will certainly be the target of an execution.

Day 1. I also have second most posts in this game, so I am playing this game, I’m just not gonna try hard it right now.

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Oh, wait. I have the most posts

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Dunn’s vote is the scummiest one on me.

Seems like he could be nervous because I called him out earlier, so wants to get rid of me while he thinks he has a chance. People started town reading me, so his vote effectively keeps momentum on me.

VOTE: Dunnstral

I’ll go here again, see what happens.

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When you get far past enough knowing not to self vote, you reach an area where it starts to be okay again.

Noting that I only have 2 completed games with Andres, and both of them I was scum, one off site, so that’s an interesting thing to comment on my town game that I’m slightly FoSing.

Just for fun I’ll make a comment about this. You know how I can tell that you’re a better Scum player than Town? Even if we haven’t played that much together? Because having bad reads in a game does not get you executed. People expect the performance and the arrogance. But they don’t seem to be waiting around for you to guide the Town (as Town). It’s why people remember you as a dangerous Scum player above anything else.

It doesn’t mean you’re bad Town btw. I just think it’s obvious where your strengths are.

Eh, people used to say "if Flavor hasn't solved the game by Day 3, he's scum."

I have purposefully dumbed my early town game down so I can make it to later in the game. Few years back, I went through a phase where I got n1 killed like every single game I was in, and I hate that.

I'm just more obnoxious when I'm town, and I go after everyone, and flip reads a lot, so people don't like it.

But I will admit, my scum game, and knowledge of what scum should and shouldn't do, has stepped up over the past couple of years, so I will concede I am a better scum player than town player.

I still think I had Top 2 maybe Top 3 town year this year, I just don't have a popular town style right now.

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I also went through multiple phases of rolling scum multiple times in a row and simultaneously, so I had more of an opportunity to show that side in the past few years.

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I think I have 6-7 strong town performances this year, where I have like 4 or 5 strong scum performances this year.

It's all about what have you done lately, though, and my scum game is being highlighted right now because of specific games that finished recently.

Hank is a newer player, Andres. Him and I joined the game after that last newbie, so it might be a bit overwhelming, or he might be busy, which is why I'm willing to give it a little bit, especially considering everyone is having issues with what to do this game.

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She stated a town read on me when I was getting momentum, so she's town actually town reading me or scum trying to also pocket me.

I see both as possible scenarios, I'm happy to townblock her for now (i say townblock, but if you look at Ilicit Substances, I put 2 scum in my town block Day 1, then on Day 2, I called them both out as scum.)

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I actually do think Dunnstral is the most likely to be scum right now

I called him out earlier, and I didn't like his response, and then he joined my wagon in what could have been a momentum swinging situation.

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So this is how shelly plays as town

I never said I was 100% sure though

Looking back, I remember saying I thought Shelly's posts were fluffy around this time, so I actually think it's weird that Dunnstral would make this type of post.

Then they kind of weaken it. I know it's early, and of course they weren't putting much stock in, but they definitely said it with confidence, which is points to try to buddy Shelly, but then they make a comment that looks like they could be trying to come off better to other people.

2/2 for people stating reasons to scumread me, being proven wrong, and then essentially saying I'm scum anyway

What question

You were being asked to explain your read, and then segued into talking about how your vote being there was alright, which wasn't really the question. You managed to sneak in an explanation without me getting a p.edit though, so:

You seem a little like annoyed scum who is getting pushed for reasons they don’t think are alignment indicative.

OK, this is an explanation, it's not a good read though

Early game pushes, he brushes off like they are bad, but it's early game, so it really isn't bad, it's a starting point. He's brushing us off.

Then like I said before, I didn't like his timing of voting me.

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Why would scum say that just there? I'm curious. (I also haven't read since like page 10)

I was going to bring this up, then I was like, meh, Johnny will too, which makes it NAI.

Seems I was correct.

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Unwnd tunneled me hard Day 1 in Xenoblade as town, that's my only experience with them.

The fact they did that there, knowing how I am, is a little scummy, I guess, but like, I think it's a boring wagon right now, if that makes sense.

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Also, you were saying I don't run games as town, but I specifically run games as scum (one because it helps) because I have a tendency to powertown.

I prefer playing troll town, then popping out of nowhere late game and solving, but I never get to do that anymore.

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LNT

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HELLLLLLLLLLO, TOWNIES OF MINI NORMAL 2183!!!

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Welcome to the hottest talk show on Mafiascum.net,
Welcome to another episode of

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

It's me, everyone's favorite sociopath, your host,

FLAVOR!

The only leaf that brings the beef.

Andresvmb

- I like this current discussion with Andres. I've never had to read Andres before, but I don't know if he'd try to work with me as scum over discredit me, so I'm going to town read this here.

shellyc

- They were fluffy early, but they seemed to become a central point for discussion. They also town read me when scum reading me could have been beneficial.

JohnnyFarrar

- I called it out when they jumped on me earlier, but I think this is town. The unvote after was interesting, but yeah. I also don't know if they make that comment Andres called out as scum. It's a weird comment to make as scum.

TheFuzzylogic99

- Seems to be actually analyzing, at least with them talking about not sure how they feel on johnny and I. Feels like Fuzzy. I didn't hate them wondering about Titus and I either, it makes sense.

PlusJOYED

- I town read them Day 1 enough to put them in a town block, but then Day 2, I was the one pushing them the hardest, and they were scum. They also posted a lot more there as scum, so weak meta read from being inactive, but I think this is probably town. If they start scumming it up, they'll lose it, but I'd like to see what happens if they are scum and I put them as a higher town read again anyways.

Hank Spankems

- Hasn't done much, but I did like their greeting to me. It could be scum, not enough out there yet, but I feel if they were scum, they might be more interested. I'll keep this at the higher almost lean town of my neutrals.

Titus

- Hasn't really done much. Could be scum indicative, could be activity issues. I'll keep it null for now, but I'm probably more neutral scum.

Not_Mafia

- I was getting pinged by Not Mafia earlier, but I said recently in another game that I usually town read them when they are scum, but they seemed to post more than I'm used to on Day 1, and I was pinged earlier. I'm leaning scum, but there's not actually enough for me to wanna full send this yet.

geraintm

- He be shading, and does similar anti town rhetoric speals that unwnd does, except their's is actually incorrect here, and might have been advantageous to try and keep shade on me.

unwnd

- Xenoblade 2 they pushed me all Day 1 as town, but there it seemed like they had more actual reasons, here they're just pushing anti town blah, which fine, yeah, there's townies that do that, I expect them to be one of those, but scum use that kinda thing as a crutch "I would be calling it anti town regardless if I was town or not" kinda thing. I'll lean scum.

nopointinactingup

- If I recall correctly, they're the other one who pushed Dunn, so it's interesting they're both voting me now. Nopoint made the second vote, the one I was baiting, so this has a high chance of being caught scum for that reason alone.

Dunnstral

- Dunnstral brushed and deflected early game reads and looks to both try and pocket Shelly by hard town reading them, and also rescinded when speaking to another player, this was to Nopoint even.

In conclusion, vote Dunnstral, my theory is Nopoint/Dunnstral team, probably with one of my higher town reads.

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Will Not Mafia post another wall of Miltanks?

Will Dunnstral try to clap back against Andres and Flavor?

Will Unwnd and Geraint get off their anti town rhetoric and finally think at a higher level?!?

FIND OUT NEXT TIME ON

LAST NIGHT TOMORROW

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I don't read the majority of unwnd's posts. I think it's the tone. I don't dislike the style, even if they push against things I do, however.

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I'll take you posting your #409 as a successful endeavor of calling out your nonsense, even if you won't give me the credit

I might have done it anyways, but I'll give you a quarter.

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My narcissism is a mixture of my in game persona, and generally having a playfully arrogant attitude.

My type when I'm acting is the type of character that talks themselves up a lot, and then just gets torn to shreds by everyone else.

I have clout from winning a lot of scum games, and I'm trying to get people to see the core mechanics of how to take action and control gamestates as scum recently, so I want people to be so annoyed by me that they HAVE to beat me, ya feel?

That's my Flavor Leaf neutral persona. I have a different persona on every account I play. Boonskiies is the fun one now because all I do is mod my BooneyToonz games.

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Shelly in particular reads more null to me and I'm not sure where the basis of your reads comes from. Her brand of skepticism is easily facked and her thoughts have no accountability thus far. She's had every chance to confront me and she has chosen to simply hide behind you/call you town. I've been starting to think what it means in relation to you

Pretty sure I stated where the basis of my read came from. Them town reading me when they could have benefited more from turning momentum my way. I almost feel like they stopped momentum my way, the opposite of what Dunn did.

I also don't believe Shelly to know that I am an incredibly strong Boon

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to scum IF they can successfully pocket me for longer than a day. It's a High Risk High Reward, and only a few people have used it to great lengths.

Creature and Jingle have.

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If I'm aiming too high I think your read on her is far too biased in terms of

How you perceive yourself. Again, we've done this before so I'm a little more perceptible, however I think it is very very easy to look at the things you're doing and say 'yup it's pretty out there so it must be town'.

you caught my "i townblocked Plus only to turn it on her Day 2 and catch scumthem" right?

I will reevalutate my reads often and constantly if I feel they need to.

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Unwnd, if scum, is playing in a way where there is no actual case available to be on them that will prove they are scum, and they know it

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this game's about to heat up, so find the motivation. get the fire going.

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Unwnd, if scum, is playing in a way where there is no actual case available to be on them that will prove they are scum, and they know it

The "you don't need to case me" was funny tho

yeah, it was, haha

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Again, you don't need to make it a case. The basis of your read should be there, a case is often a measure of convincing others that your read is right. This in turn makes me doubt how much you truly believe in it

yeah, what unwnd said, should just push people with bullet points like I do, create a chain of reasons, and see which ones are townie, and scummie, and the combination of the chain links is what can catch scum.

Thanks for backing me up.

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Everytime Shelly posts, I feel like they're pocketing me now.

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I read Johnny as coming from an "attention span of a puppy dog" kinda way here

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shame no mod lock even though dayvig cant be in normals.

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shame no mod lock even though dayvig cant be in normals.

Actually, I don't see why not. Vig and day are both permitted.

Hmm, didn't know Day was permitted.

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Everyone's vote on me is essentially naked "he scummy"

F-2, should I claim?

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Dunn, Unwnd, Not Mafia, and Nopoint all have wagons that aren’t able to gain momentum.

There is scum in there.

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Could have been a sense of momentum on any of the other 3 wagons, but mines gonna be the least telling to everyone but me.

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I personally feel I've done more than any other slot in this game in regards to stating my reads, trying to motivate the game, and the like. All my thoughts on every slot are out there.

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the fact only like Shelly stated anything about my wall post likely means I have strong reads considering not only did I actively do more work, my wagon sped up afterwards.

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People understand why Hank and I get along, right?

Moving Hank up to town. I think he’s super genuine.

I don’t think others will see him as super genuine, but I have another game of familiarity with him.

Never seen him scum, but if he is scum, I wanna see it, haha

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A death

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Is Titus pushing Dunnstral and I as a Too-On-The-Nose scum team?

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Never without theatrics.

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Not Mafia voted me, putting me at E-2, I think. titus' vote was the e-3 vote, so you were underselling it, Shelly.

I think Titus probably tried to save Dunnstral

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Titus and Dunn are clearly scum here.

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not sure what to do here,,,,,,I dont want to vote flavor as I want to give him more time to be sorted but we are now against the deadline.... I think I might vote Flavor bc of us hitting the deadline. I am not sure

also, this is weird. We're way past this.

I find it unlikely that there isn't scum within Titus, Dunnstral, and Fuzzy. Would explain the apathy. I'm trying not to talk as much this game, but like, this game is sooooo slow.

Scum are like actively not taking any action until they have to, like Titus.

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I already brought that up earlier.

I really don't understand the FL-Dunn comments, but if people think we're tied together, fine, let's kill Dunn.

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Calling people's bluff.

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Dunn's just been calling me scum ever since I called him out earlier

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He ignored people saying FL-Dunn completely, he's trying to make it look bussy now.

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Yeah, I’ll vote Nopoint. Right now, I’m thinking

Nopoint, Plus, Shelley, could be wrong with Shelly, but they’re town reading me too hard for my liking.

I feel like Plus is scum who is trying to figure out if their partner is guiltied.

[Flavor Leaf]

n1 results?

this person of the reasonably actives seemed to be stalling the most
VOTE: nopoint

This looks like distancing in case one of them got guiltied.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dunn, I have never in my life gone a Day 1 no elim as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

But you're insinuating scumMe wouldn't have been able to get a wagon there.

Also, there were no claims by anyone.

I would have made sure scum got put in a good spot.

The last time I was scum with you, (albeit, you didn't know it was me), In a large theme game, I brought you to 3p lylo for the victory.

[Flavor Leaf]

and like, why didn't you just investigate me. come on now

[Flavor Leaf]

I wrote an entire guide about taking action as scum, this isnt it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Everyone is paranoid because I've won a lot of scum games recently.

Well, I've won a lot of town games recently too.

Is this Flavor Fever you have? I don't get it.

[Flavor Leaf]

he hasn't posted enough. I didn't want him faded Day 1 because this is his first game outside the newbie queue.

He was more active in that game, but less pages, slower game, ya know? I think they're probably town because they're being friendly to me in a way that looks genuine, and they did that in the newbie game, where I was scum, so I am looking at it from a different perspective here.

I won't give a free pass to them today, though. They'll have to give some thoughts, even if theyre unsure.

[Flavor Leaf]

not so spicy take

VOTE: Unwnd

[Flavor Leaf]

My info is: Not_Mafia is town

I am 100% accepting dunn and not mafia are town for the rest of the game.
2 cleared so early seems good to me, even if we won't get any more cop results.

I didn't expect any different. I don't think Dunn's the type to gambit like that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dunn
Not Mafia

Geraint
Andres

Shelly
Hank
Johnny

Plusjoyed
Fuzzy
Nopoint
Unwnd

Probably where I'm at.

I'd say at least 2 scum in bottom group, possible scum in that shelly, hank, johnny. But all 3 could be in that bottom.

[Flavor Leaf]

No ranking between tiers.

geraint i think has been genuine, I thought they were townie day 1 too, their comment is weird if coming from scum on Dunn/Not Mafia.

Andres hasn't done much, but they've been here to talk, and I feel they would have done more if they were scum.

Shelly put me as a town read in a spot I think it would have been good to let me get momentum, so if she is scum, she actively prevented me from gaining momentum, and with the no fade, I think this is weird, however i'm weak to pocketing, and Titus was pushing her.

Hank hasn't done anything scummy to me, day 1 it's more okay than day 2. I hope they can town it up.

johnny, eh, i remember them a bit day 1, and they were doing stuff, and voting around, but they werent able to get momentum, that's why they're there.

plusjoyed I mentioned earlier. I think they were distancing from Nopoint in case one of them were guiltied, but this is more reliant on both of them. I still think Plus probably thought someone was guiltied and got worried.

Fuzzy has played pretty poorly this game, I feel. most of their playing has been "flavor and titus are good, let's kill them because they have a good scum game.", and Titus dying I think leads back to them more.

Nopoint has been scummy most of the game, this carries over from my day 1. Their posts just seem kinda fake, nothing in particular has been "bad", but they seem like they don't believe what they're saying, also I think they have connections to Plusjoyed because of my Plus case.

Unwnd was playing the "this is how it should be played" game, and i thought it was NAI at first, but I feel they can be using that as an excuse and almost choosing to play that act this game.

I think all 3 scum are in those 4, however, if I'm wrong in that, it's 1 of the 3 in the tier above.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hank hasn't done anything scummy to me, day 1 it's more okay than day 2. I hope they can town it up.

This was supposed to be more of a "they haven't done anything scummy to me, but i don't think i can actively town read them anymore" kind of thing.

[Flavor Leaf]

1.04

Flavor Leaf

[3]: nopointinactingup#293, unwnd#339,

Dunnstral#343

1.05

Flavor Leaf

[4]: unwnd#339,

Dunnstral#343, Titus#503, Not_Mafia#509

Not_Mafia [2]:

Hank Spankems#69, PlusJOYED#365

Dunnstral

[3]:

Flavor Leaf#381,

Andresvmb#403, nopointinactingup#548

1.06

shellyc [3]: nopointinactingup#599,

Titus#638

, JohnnyFarrar#647

Flavor Leaf

[4]: unwnd#339,

Dunnstral#343, Titus#503, Not_Mafia#509

Unwnd is scum by VCA. 1.04 to 1.05 no point looks like scum trying to get off the wagon that looks to be gaining, but the Not Mafia wagon likely has a scum on it, which does fit with my Plus theory.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Flavor is wrong about me

[Flavor Leaf]

flavor leaf: maybe scum. reminds me of april, they might be the same person, but I feel like they have kinda gone in circles but are still pushing the game ahead which is kinda how they described how they play mafia. Haven't seen any crazy gambits from them either. A lot of weak defenses too. regardless, their activity compared to other inactives makes me hesitant to go here today since we need all the drive we can get to avoid burning out. so decent chance of scum but leave them for now unless we need an elim.

I am April Ludgate, yes. I have played with you before, and caught scum you after calling you town Day 1 there.

[Flavor Leaf]

plus and unwnd

[Flavor Leaf]

That Nopoint chainsaw.

[Flavor Leaf]

Dunn
Not Mafia

Geraint
Andres

Shelly
Hank
Johnny

Plusjoyed
Fuzzy
Nopoint
Unwnd

Probably where I'm at.

I'd say at least 2 scum in bottom group, possible scum in that shelly, hank, johnny. But all 3 could be in that bottom.

@unwnd remember, Flavor is saying that all of the Scum are in {plusJOYED, Fuzzy, nopoint, you}. Do you buy that? Because I don’t. Hank should be in everybody’s suspicious or null pile, for example. plusJOYED is actually trying even if I think they have a few things wrong.

I specifically stated at least 2 scum in the bottom group in the post that you quoted, and said "but all 3", why the misrep?

I caught Plusjoyed earlier in the year, and they were trying there too, what's that have to do with it? I specifically stated scum can be in the 3 person group, which includes Hank. That is my suspicious/null pile.

[Flavor Leaf]

If you ask me, I think Flavor needs to more conclusively demonstrate why nopoint makes sense as the execution.

I don't want Nopoint as the execution.

I want Unwnd.

I'm unsure why you keep misrepping my posts? I don't feel like it's on purpose, if that helps, but you probably need to reread my posts.

I did my VCA on Unwnd already to explain Unwnd Scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

^see 720. And that was about you unwnd, not nopoint. That last paragraph.

ah, okay, this is better.

Yeah, I already stated my Unwnd reasoning with my VCA.

[Flavor Leaf]

1.04

Flavor Leaf

[3]: nopointinactingup#293, unwnd#339,

Dunnstral#343

1.05

Flavor Leaf

[4]: unwnd#339,

Dunnstral#343, Titus#503, Not_Mafia#509

Not_Mafia [2]:

Hank Spankems#69, PlusJOYED#365

Dunnstral

[3]:

Flavor Leaf#381,

Andresvmb#403, nopointinactingup#548

1.06

shellyc [3]: nopointinactingup#599,

Titus#638

, JohnnyFarrar#647

Flavor Leaf

[4]: unwnd#339,

Dunnstral#343, Titus#503, Not_Mafia#509

Unwnd is scum by VCA. 1.04 to 1.05 no point looks like scum trying to get off the wagon that looks to be gaining, but the Not Mafia wagon likely has a scum on it, which does fit with my Plus theory.

Like even if someone thought I was scum, Unwnd is scum based on 1.05/1.06, where another scum is in the other 4, at least 1.

You can look at the unflipped here and see it's exactly how my reads list lined up which is what helped me get to the spot I was at.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavy isn't playing all that different from last game, tho.

Explain how

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't believe I had that at all last game

[Flavor Leaf]

I had a sick obsession with fading a mason last game, and did the work so I'd be able to do so, and failed.

I don't get how that came off as chill for you, haha.

Are you mixing this game with earlier this game?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Johnny - I also had you, Titus, Andres, Not Mafia, Geraint, and Hank who had all just gotten beaten by me, why would I be playing the same game?

I have 6+ different types of scum playstyles, people who think they were onto me from playing 1 game with me like Kkoba is kinda funny.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am 90% sure Unwnd is scum, and I would have been okay flipping them with a coinflip odds.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like Unwnd is also trying to match his progression of me in Xenoblade, but I think it looks fake.

Him and I went at it all Day 1 there, then Day 2 he town read me, and I town read there.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm referring to earlier that game, before I died when I was paying better attention

Day 1 was only 12 pages, and you came in early Day 2.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm past that, you gave a solid response, I think.

But you're missing Unwnd in your solve.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also beat Dunnstral earlier in the year in one of my stronger scum games of the year in a final 3p lylo situation.

and as town, I caught PlusjoyedScum.

This is not a game I would have played scum "normally". I don't feel I have, but I think if you sense some similarities, it's because my scum game is strong with mimicking my town game.

[Flavor Leaf]

flavor leaf: maybe scum. reminds me of april, they might be the same person, but I feel like they have kinda gone in circles but are still pushing the game ahead which is kinda how they described how they play mafia. Haven't seen any crazy gambits from them either. A lot of weak defenses too. regardless, their activity compared to other inactives makes me hesitant to go here today since we need all the drive we can get to avoid burning out. so decent chance of scum but leave them for now unless we need an elim.

This is a fake reasoning. I was town in that game as April.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am the biggest threat to scum right now, it's why gamestate is dictating I'm probably the most likely fade here

[Flavor Leaf]

Which is why Flavor is throwing shade to the only other person on their wagon. Again, I’m not buying it.

Why wouldn't I assume that on a wagon of flipped townies, that the last one, who just happens to be Unwnd, isn't scum?

I find scum almost specifically from their interactions or lack of interactions regarding myself.

[Flavor Leaf]

I mean I think I've got more votes than you

votes is not gamestate.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have you considering me scum, Dunnstral/Not Mafia will hop on. Im sure Unwnd will hop on. Plus has stated their willingness, Nopoint is voting me, and Andres is setting up a turn as well.

Who do you have?

[Flavor Leaf]

Fuzzy also will go me, and I'm sure Geraint will throw a vote.

[Flavor Leaf]

The only person in this game who is pushing me as town is Shelly, and unless you think the team is Shelly/Flavor, which fine, you can think that, then I have zero gamestate control, something that doesn't happen when I am scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also feel like I have put the most work into this game, and I think people are just being lazy and scum reading me because they see my posts and they just automatically wanna assume I'm scum because they're afraid of me fooling everyone.

I am a town leader in like every game I play, but nobody ever talks about that.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Andres - You just saw me take out threats nonstop in a game, why would I make my wagon flip more townies on my own wagon?

[Flavor Leaf]

Which is why Flavor is throwing shade to the only other person on their wagon. Again, I’m not buying it.

like why?

Why wouldn't I?

Consider me confirmed town for a second, give me 2 reasons why I wouldn't, andres.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm a Vigilante Enabler.

If anyone ever thinks I claim this scummy ass role as scum here, we're gonna have some words post game.

[Flavor Leaf]

flavor leaf: maybe scum. reminds me of april, they might be the same person, but I feel like they have kinda gone in circles but are still pushing the game ahead which is kinda how they described how they play mafia. Haven't seen any crazy gambits from them either. A lot of weak defenses too. regardless, their activity compared to other inactives makes me hesitant to go here today since we need all the drive we can get to avoid burning out. so decent chance of scum but leave them for now unless we need an elim.

This is a fake reasoning. I was town in that game as April.

Reminds me of April when they know April is town

[Flavor Leaf]

1.04

Flavor Leaf

[3]: nopointinactingup#293, unwnd#339,

Dunnstral#343

1.05

Flavor Leaf

[4]: unwnd#339,

Dunnstral#343, Titus#503, Not_Mafia#509

Not_Mafia [2]:

Hank Spankems#69, PlusJOYED#365

Dunnstral

[3]:

Flavor Leaf#381,

Andresvmb#403, nopointinactingup#548

1.06

shellyc [3]: nopointinactingup#599,

Titus#638

, JohnnyFarrar#647

Flavor Leaf

[4]: unwnd#339,

Dunnstral#343, Titus#503, Not_Mafia#509

Unwnd is scum by VCA. 1.04 to 1.05 no point looks like scum trying to get off the wagon that looks to be gaining, but the Not Mafia wagon likely has a scum on it, which does fit with my Plus theory.

Like even if someone thought I was scum, Unwnd is scum based on 1.05/1.06, where another scum is in the other 4, at least 1.

You can look at the unflipped here and see it's exactly how my reads list lined up which is what helped me get to the spot I was at.

hmmm

why cant you believe that your wagon was all town?

because scum don't let town me go like that. Nopoint likely jumped off of me because they thought I might be able to get momentum from townies, and another scum was already on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

like, i guess scum could have just been mia, but i highly doubt we're living in a world where Nopoint/Unwnd are both town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I originally thought she was towny but her recent behavior has been eye-brow raising. Have you read your role pm?

its not legal to not read ur role pm before repping in? and uh ... no. shelly looks towny af in EVERY SINGLE POST (imo)

stop doing posts like this.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Hank

[Flavor Leaf]

I could still go unwnd, but if it's not gonna be Hank, I have no reason to defend the null slot.

Could wait for replacement, or kill now before replace comes in. this isnt that long of a game, though, so I think we just wait for replacement.

VOTE: Unwnd

[Flavor Leaf]

Sorry, I saw Noraa replaced in and absolutely didn’t wanna think about this game.

I didn’t know I hit prod range already

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s a lot of new stuff it seems, and I saw Andres post, so I’ll be here in a little bit to respond/catchup.

[Flavor Leaf]

Cuz existence of cop enabler is already like 90% saying cop exists.

scum and town can have rolecop or other things like that too. There's a non zero chance that Dunn could be scum still, but like, I'm not going down that rabbit hole this game. But like on a technical level, since I don't think Dunn's the type to gambit.

This is possible scumNoraa pairing up to someone they think is mech cleared as town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I just don't like the question, even though I specifically think there's like no chance this game for Dunn/NotMafia to be scum here, i just don't like the reasoning behind Noraa.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf - don't like how he blamed me for his activity drop.

You shouldn't. It's not a compliment.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fade Noraa, Vig Nopoint, or fade Nopoint, Vig Noraa.

that's where I'm at.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unwnd vs FL tomorrow if no scum flips, happy to go through the weaker scums to get Unwnd here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Cuz existence of cop enabler is already like 90% saying cop exists.

scum and town can have rolecop or other things like that too. There's a non zero chance that Dunn could be scum still, but like, I'm not going down that rabbit hole this game. But like on a technical level, since I don't think Dunn's the type to gambit.

This is possible scumNoraa pairing up to someone they think is mech cleared as town.

Cop enabler doesn't affect rolecop

They're different roles

Cop Enabler can still effect it, maybe not in normals then, I guess.

I've used Cop Enabler in games I've created for all Cop roles. Vanilla, Role, Alignment

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm opposed to elimming unwnd

read closer.

I specifically stated my alternative.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also specifically stated Unwnd vs FL tomorrow.

Read the game, Dunn.

[Flavor Leaf]

Fade Noraa, Vig Nopoint, or fade Nopoint, Vig Noraa.

that's where I'm at.

god if this is town!you, this is pretty disappointing. not terribly shocked if this is town!you but if it is, god u can't read me at all.

You are assuming I care if you flip town or scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Except, Why is Insanoflex town?

Again, just read the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also specifically stated Unwnd vs FL tomorrow.

Read the game, Dunn.

Y u so salty?! ur like a bag of salt straight outta the sea

if you're scum, people gonna use "it's just Noraa!" as a defense.

if you're town, I don't trust you to read people correctly, including myself. Can't say why to this right now, but like, this should be obvious to you.

[Flavor Leaf]

OH I remember the question. How tf did y'all end up with nolim on ... day 1?!

scum were just afraid to go after me harder.

[Flavor Leaf]

@ Insaflex
what is your opinion on the no lynch yesterday?

I don't have a strong take beyond it being bad. People weren't around and not eally trying, a few didn't know we needed a majority, don't think the blame can fall on anyone in particular and it doesn't say anything about their alignment anyway.

Caught up to where I replaced in.

Let's wagon someone and get a claim, we have 4 days. It can be me, if that's the way people want to go. I'm not going to try to wow people with some dense analysis because I don't have strong thoughts.

VOTE: unwnd

Know I said I'd wait but screw it, game needs action.

you are my strongest town read, but I don't think we can get Unwnd today.

Like they're near 100% scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unwnd/Nopoint were scum trying to fade me yesterday, ShellyC was town reading me hard to counter.

[Flavor Leaf]

Noraa unable to read what's actually going on coming out again.

I've already stated who I want today.

I'm top 3 town players on site, Noraa. lol

[Flavor Leaf]

If you are acting like I can't read you based on Day 1 reads, I don't know what to tell you.

How many times have I misread you from Day 3 onwards?

[Flavor Leaf]

If you are acting like I can't read you based on Day 1 reads, I don't know what to tell you.

How many times have I misread you from Day 3 onwards?

[Flavor Leaf]

I very rarely am wrong Day 3 onwards, at least so far wrong that I'm not on a verge of game solving.

There's a reason people used to say you should always kill TownMe, and a reason I went like a year of being night killed early every single game.

For me, it seems like your slot was hard town reading me, and you're trying to naturally break that down.

You are not my strongest scum read, but you do fit a scum team with players I think are scum, that I've already stated why.


Let me know after you've checked the plethora of games I have where I've helped town lead to a victory from full game solving.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also specifically stated Unwnd vs FL tomorrow.

Read the game, Dunn.

Are you sure that's the route you want to go down? Despite me giving you thread passes where I shouldn't due to the extraneous amount of back-and-forth you continue to want?

I have faith that I will be seen as town tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

I know for a fact you are scum here, Unwnd, and you know exactly why I know you are scum.

I think Shelly had a decent chance of being the scum leader now, and unfortunate that it got replaced to Noraa.

What are your thoughts on that slot, Unwnd?

[Flavor Leaf]

@Dunn - were you given a PM stating you were disabled?

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Insano's efforts are town even if the read is largely based on tone difference from the last game. Why do you exactly

know

I'm scum. I don't feel that evidence is provided nor will you ever give it

This is why arguing with you is pointless, and I'm not looking forward to you forcing me into a 1v1 even if you're scum

Insano is the Hank slot.

Noraa is shelly slot.

I will give it Day 3, you are sitting in a spot currently of "FL is correct but for the wrong reasons", and I quite like that.

You have Dunn fooled, though, which is why I've accepted going elsewhere.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Dunn - Can we fade Nora, Vig Nopoint?

or vice versa.

[Flavor Leaf]

If your vote is on me I don't accept that as 'going elsewhere' lol

Makes sense you see a vote as an end all be all.

[Flavor Leaf]

The one game we've been in together as town you were very adamant in your votes and obnoxiously so

You're bartering for time at this point

so, you can check other town games, i actively play games differently.

Which is why it's hilarious when people go "flavor does this as blah, does this as blah"

[Flavor Leaf]

Still waiting on your shelly slot thoughts

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm pushing for a Noraa/Nopoint fade/vig, while pushing you as scum.

Only reason it's equity is because you are scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Right you're just an enigma and I'm a fool for attempting to reason with you carry on

Nah, I'm super readable, I just find it incredibly poor for people to try to meta me as a be all end all after playing one or two games with me, as one alignment.

I already think meta is supplementary at best.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why don't we just do FL vs. Unwnd today? I could vote either. Would rather unwnd for claim reasons

Because Dunn said he doesn't want Unwnd today.

[Flavor Leaf]

I figure if dunn had a guilty we would know by now.

VOTE: Shelly

what happened to this?

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm uncomfortable with going noraa/shelly slot, because the only reason I was ok with that was that I didn't like their reads on FL/Hank

I think Shelly TMI'd me as town.

[Flavor Leaf]

And NopointScum was pushing me while ShellyScum was towning me.

That's a classic hyena.

[Flavor Leaf]

How so?

hyena'd.

Nopoints posts towards me are completely weak, you see this too. That's why I think Nopoint should always be the vig toDay. Nopoint flipping scum, I'll explain my Unwnd more on Day 3.

Get more info around the slots with a Noraa fade tbh, plus I don't trust townNoraa. We need a fade. We're in circular territory.

[Flavor Leaf]

Down for Noraa but like, I like Noraa so I'd rather not. I fully realize that's a bad reason but my vote is there if y'all need it

I may be a bit biased because I don't like reading her posts because scum her just kisses up to townies, and town her has bad logic.

[Flavor Leaf]

There are non noraa policy lim reasons to vote noraa

And I gave them

[Flavor Leaf]

the fact you think my reasonings were policy is because Noraa whined to make it seem that's what it was.